Gladiators were fat slaves. If they were anything of a highly skilled fighter, they would serve in the army. Though, they weren't. Their lives were for entertainment. It cost money to feed slaves, so they were fed a very CHEAP and UNHEALTHY vegan diet promoting very bad athletic performance. What you see on TV about gladiators is a terribly inaccurate depiction of historical fact.
I gotta say I agree that a vegetarian/vegan diet can be perfectly healthy. I do personally eat meat, but it's usually very little (maybe once a week). a majority of my diet consists of foods I can afford (potato, rice, oatmeal, and some vegetables), and so does my current bf. He competes in powerlifting, and I run marathons, so we obviously don't really need meat to be this way. I just eat it for the flavor. lol
@VanessaTexasGal, I have to respect that point of view. Some meat eaters will say just about anything to justify their habits, including believing in nutritional myths. Some of them are provoked and some of them aren't. I get along with meat eaters just fine, but it's the ones that are unprovoked that get ignorant. Good luck with your bf's powerlifting and your marathons. I'm on a plant-based diet and I'm more athletic than most people I know.
@VanessaTexasGal, By the way, if you're going to eat potatoes, you may want to go with sweet potatoes. According to some studies, it's very healthy. Check out the video "Toxins in Sweet Potatoes" by NutritionFacts. You may also want to check out NaturalFoodsDiet YT channel. One channel is vegan based and one is not, but I love them both because I believe both doctors truly care about other humans and love facts.
Ive found that this is true, but it is very important to mention that they ate FERMENTED foods. This is very important to be healthy. Just wanted to let you know this.
Robert Cheeke Vegan (13 years), Kenneth Williams Vegan, Ed Bauer Vegan (15 years), Giacomo Marchse Vegan or Mac Danzig Vegan (Nearly 2 years) And tell me those men look weak.
@terrillcase not healthy for the animals. It's bad for us humans. Yes, uncooked animal muscle has protein & b vitamins & zinc, but Animal meat has LDL cholesterol, Saturated Fat, Sodium Nitrate. Those cause many cancers all over the body, Heart attacks, Strokes, Diabetes, Gout. Do the research.
the use of meat will slow you down while you do hard physical stuff due to the energy and blood it takes for digesting it. But you can eat meat when not so engaged. Many times troops can't carry meat around, so grains can be found locally or more lightly carried and simply soaked or cooked to eat on the road. It does not mean you never eat meat, just not when exertion demands your blood be ready for action, rather than trying to digest food.
I would like to believe that, but if you are a slave - you do not get to pick your meal selections. I think it is like the jewish race - they were slaves and they had to eat pork or pigs - when they were freed - they made pork/pigs a non kosher meal. I am a vegan and I believe to be rather strong for my age. Slaves do not determine their meals.
@920tom - that's not why they have laws against pork, it's cause of a few things - one is that uncooked pork can have very nasty worms in it, another is to do with the reasons why pigs organs can be used in human transplants.
Remember these gladiators were slaves and were fed the cheapest diet to keep them alive. Every vegan I've ever seen are weak and sickly looking and eventually have more than one health problem including high cholestoral. They are usually very judgemental of non vegetarians too think they are better people than meat eaters. Remember the Romans were greater in numbers and had the advantage of greater technology than their foes. They could'nt beat the Huns. Wonder what they ate.
@tajsports10 Beautifully stated. This is why they were brutal opponents, they were starved of complete protein and healthy saturated fat, and cholesterol.
@FemmeBleu - that's bollox. you're just unable to chuck meat etc so you make shit up about it.
on a spiritual basis the chi flows more easily from a vegan, the reasons are more to do with that the vegan is lacking in subtle vibrations of animals - if the animal is farmed then when you eat it you are basically resonating with being an entity kept in captivity and easy to herd and control. feeding people animal products helps keep them docile and controllable.
@tajsports10 The last time I checked, people who eat meat look sickly and obese. Wow, what a statement you made. Did you know that cholesterol is made within our body. Cholesterol is also found within animal tissue. Vegans don't injest animal products, therefore we do NOT suffer from high cholesterol or LDL. I'm studying to become a doctor and trust me, I KNOW the human body inside and out. Humans are herbivores.
@tajsports10 - that'd be because many people become vegans for ethical reasons, and don't necessarily pay attention to their personal health. ie - they merely stop including animal products, and continue to eat processed foods and un-natural foods -
if you are going to be vegan you need to doubly-ensure you eat healthy, as the lack of what could be called the 'toxic cushion of non-feeling unawareness' that bad foods etc cause is then for you more lacking, so you also feel toxins all the more.
TBH the few vegans i have met personally are all in great health & look great + many of them eat organic natural foods. The ones i've seen on the internet & all are much the same, it is usually ''ex-vegetarians'' that were the ones who go vegetarian, don't eat a varied diet but instead eat junk processed foods & then give it up.
I know its my word vs yours, but i've yet to come across a vegan who is ill
@TheTvrulesthenation - ?! you must have meant the guy i was replying to, cause your post is agreeing with me not him,
all i'd meant was to say to them that the kind of vegans he maybe knows are that way cause they are only ethical and not being healthy, obviously veganism itself isn't synonymous with being unhealthy.
@TheTvrulesthenation, I've read and heard in person a few times how they know unhealthy vegans. It's always a convenience that they KNOW so many more vegans than I do. Never mind the non-vegans that tend to be unhealthy and sedentary. Either they really know a lot of vegans for some strange reason or they're simply lying due to some kind of lifestyle insecurity.
I'm unsure where your comment stands, there are numerous vegan athlethes (not only just participators but champions in various sports & high endurance competitions, many thank their vegan diet + training for this).
I still stand by my word that it is observational bias + those who weakly commited themselves to a diet without informing themselves that produce the stereotype that V&Vs are unhealthy + those merely lying as a form of trolling
@TheTvrulesthenation, I'm saying that people who hate on vegans tend to pull facts from the sky. I'm sure you've heard it all: "Vegans I know are skinny and weak. They need protein...". It's just amazing how people take a case and then make a blanket statement, but ignore the non-vegans who aren't healthy. To me, that's hate, and I take it a step further and say that they imagine, true or false, that their own lifestyle is threatened, at least psychologically. I agree with your points really.
It is ironic in the sense that often the persons parents are overweight & meat-eaters by and large on average suffer obesity. Whilst vegetarian & vegan populations are well documented to be both lower in fat:muscle ratio & considered healthy by science. Many government agencies also support a low meat based diet & state vegetarianism to be a healthy form of lifestyle
@TheTvrulesthenation, Funny you mention overweight. Some acquaintances and family members of mine have told me I'm too skinny and unhealthy looking. They happen to have muffin tops (kids too) while I have energy like a monkey and I'm the one playing with their kids when we meet.
Just tell them that gladiators were vegetarians (vegans diets) & roman foot soldiers too. Tends to shut people up quite fast i've found, that or the embodiment of manliness Mike Tyson is a vegan & the current lightweight UFC champion Danzig
@TheTvrulesthenation, I agreed with all you say except your last comments. Gladiators and roman foot soldiers being vegan is debatable. If vegan at all, was it by choice? Tyson only went vegan recently, after his retirement. Even then, I disagree with his pigeon breeding. Are you trolling me about the UFC lightweight champ? It's not Mac Danzig; it's Frankie Edgar, and I'm pretty sure he's not a vegan.
There're many successful vegan athletes, but we better be sure to be factual.
Sorry i was saying they were hardly vegans (leather would've been popularly used obviously). The Tyson reference is merely a response to those who call vegetarians/vegans weak girly hippies. As for UFC sorry i dunno why i typed that i meant lightweight UFC champion (not current). Even at that Danzigs won quite a few honors in MMA.
Same goes for that karate champion abdele or something, that guy is HUGE
@TheTvrulesthenation, Gladiators and soldiers, vegan or not, they did what they were told to do and it usually wasn't intrinsic. Danzig has had a successful career with a record of 20 - 9, but it's quite unlikely he'll ever be champion. That has little to do with his diet, but rather he simply doesn't have the tools to be a top contender.
As for vegan haters: People will always move goal posts no matter how successful a vegan is. Hating vegans is more about insecurities than anything.
@tajsports10 You are right about the gladiators, but the same applied to the poor and common foot soldiers. I'm a vegetarian, and I'm quite healthy and athletic. Even doing rotc in college. I never judge or tell anyone they are wrong. In fact, I get far more shit for it than I give out. As for the Romans. They defeated themselves far more than the Huns did...and it wasn't only the Huns. Even if they did do it however, explaining it by diet is very simplisitc. Rome won many battles outnumbered
Gladiators were slaves and there diets reflected there status in society. Also can somone please tell me where the Mongol Hoarde obtained starches from on the steppe?? I'd love to know how nomadic people who didn't cultivate the land but were experts at herding and animal husbandry obtained enough starches to conquer the "world".
digesting meat takes a lot of bodily energy a long time to digest - lowering overall available energy - in India they understand it lowers ones "prana" (energy of action) which dulls response time, mental acuity etc. It's no surprise that soldiers would recognize this and cut out meat during battle times.
what a bunch of horse hockey, mc dougall's spin is hilarious. This is yet another proof gluten causes brain inflammation which precipitates potential for brutal violence. Who on earth would want to have gladiators as a role model?
but back then, plants and crops had more nutrients than they did today. overfarming, soil destruction, processing, irradiation, packaging, prolonged exposure to sunlight have rendered fruits and groceries we buy less nutritious. that is why we must take vitamins and minerals, but in liquid form(not in capsule or tablet form, a waste of money becuz of lack of absorption) liquid form for best absorption.
@mrzack888 only people making poor food choices need to suplement all vit&minerals... as a 6foot4 very active vegan, I only take b12... I make check up exams every 6months and my health is FANTASTIC. Starchs are great, but it's very important to eat lots of fruits, the most nutritious food per calorie on earth
@vitor1271 I as well am very active woman body builder and I'm a vegan! I seem to gain muscle faster, and more cut than ever before(when I used to eat meat). Meat eaters are also lacking in B12 and this is a common misconception that only vegans suffer from B12 deficiencies. B12 is actually a bacteria which can be found in vegetables too. Also, humans dont have the natural born instincts to kill.
The Romans were hardly civilized. Prohibits we could just as easily conclude that this was a result of their diet. I don't mean do discredit the benefits of being vegan. But i would like to point out the dubious nature of these conclusions. The human body is incredibly adaptive and can preform at an optimum under many dietary conditions.
@gdykes The only way you'll ever know is if you try it. I can tell you from personal experience that I feel much cleaner and stronger after cutting out meat and dairy. My endurance is higher as well. Give it a try.
Pictorial drawings is pretty shitty evidence of gladiators weight. If I was a gladiator I sure as hell would want to be fat, that way if i got nicked by a weapon i wouldn't fucking die, that not to say I wouldn't also want to be strong as fuck. Like it or not they aren't exclusive things.
Why is being fat unhealthy? I can understand that it puts a lot of pressure on your organs but hell if you are already buff as hell I don't think it would make much of a difference?
Well, whenever someone tells people that being a vegetarian stunts your growth, makes you weak and so on I just point to myself and my brother. We've both been vegetarians all our lives, never eaten any meat. We're both over 6ft (I'm 6'5), well built (Considering I don't do much xD) and have no health problems. I'm not saying everyone should be, but I think people need to stop pulling this "meat is macho" bs out on veggies constantly. It's lame.
@heresjonny666 FUCK MEAT ! UR SHT SHOULD BE WHAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE DOING >:( MEOW !!!....no seriously...O_O so many healty stuff happened to me when I ate more and more of veggies :D no more depression , hornyness level off the chart , energized but I get pissed when 2 couples make out in front of my face D:....
Ok so these guys were Gladiators who were Vegan, was that why they lost? what does this say for the Vegan Gladiators? were they prisoners forced to eat barley so that they would lose?
I am a vegan bodybuilder, and I LOVE this video, but there is one tiny mistruth toward the end. Genghis Khan and his men -did live on mainly starch-
however, during long conquests in which grains were not available they would poke a small hole in the neck of their horses and drink the blood to hold them over until their next meal, so while the Gladiators, probably Were vegan, Genghis and Co, were Vegan only when they could be.
You said it, brother. My aunt is obsessed with this guy he has no idea what he's talking about. Check out his diet plan the "McDougall Diet" which advocates a diet that is about 85% carbohydrate calories. Great way to induce type 2 diabetes if that's your goal though!
@lalem91 um, do you know what kind of carbs he's suggesting? definitely not white bread and donuts. lots of people that follow his plan have lost weight and are healthier than they were before.
@brittyn it doesnt matter all carbohydrates convert into blood glucose it just changes how fast it spikes your insulin levels. human body responds to excess carbohydrates by converting them into fat. and losing weight is about caloric intake, not about carbohydrates. yes you should definitely eat healthy fruits and vegetables. but not a high starch or vegan diet. and it is very unlikely that these SEAFARING CONQUERORS farmed rather than ate fish since they were... you know... at sea? just sayin
Aslo the fact that coquering nations ate alot of grains implies they were agricultural. This also implies keeping livestock. It also impies they were well orginised...
I do believe that some people need more protein than others. Others may gat on better with more carbohydrate. I find that milk protein is best when working out. Not the whey but the caseine. I recover more quickly and grow faster. Only problem is I am mildly allergic to caseine. I also feel more energy when consuming more protein. Everyone is different and just because the gladiators didn't cosume high protein doesn't mean they wouldn't have benefitted from it...
@DrSpooglemon You will find that if you change you plant protein not only will you restitute faster but your health will improve in general. Milk is liquid meat and is very harmful for the human body. The body on the other hand needs only 0.75 grams pr kilo of protein, if you work out you need slightly more perhaps 1 gram pr kilo, now here is the kicker.. the body produce 2/3 of the daily protein by using dead or injured cells and recycles it.
I am intersted in this. I have a few questions though. Without being confrontational: I don't have an axe to grind. Just wondering about B12. How can a vegan be sure of getting any let alone enough? I don't eat much animal produce but I take vitamins. Just wondering how the athletes past or present get all the nutrients they need. I do have aone point to make though. Any gladiators that didn't do well on that kind of diet would have been killed early in their career leaving only those how did...
@DrSpooglemon B12 is an interesting topic, most meat eaters have a bigger deficiency of B12 than vegans, the reason is that B12 is produced by bacteria and is absorbed in the mouth. Meat diet cause a lot of problems and is known to cause acid surpluss which is very bad for the system, we are 75%+ water after all and the body is slightly alkaline. Now all nutrients on this planets comes from the producers, the plants. We are often second consumers as many eat meat and dairy.
This really shouldnt shock you...the staple food for Romans who weren't wealthy was grains either ground into a flour for bread or made into a polenta like porridge, they had fruits, veggies, and grains. Only rich people ate meat in Rome, and they didn't fight battles...Everyone knows, its not a secret that the Roman army, gladiators, and the better part of the population ate simple grain food for their diet. Where is your proof for saying the soldiers denied meat for performance? lol idiot.
@nightflight83 The western lifestyle is the most taxing way of living of all, it is also made by choice, USA is in a temperate zone and can grow any kind of food, pretty much, but have chosen to focus on high fat, high cholestrol and protein diet, then they add in a bunch of refined products and reap the consequences, heart disease, cancer, arthritis, autism (insert auto immune disease here).. location is the issue, people in the artic area, for example, are limited but not without disease.
What if one eschews the refined products and sticks to lean meats and non-starchy vegetables? Many people have had spectacular results from the so-called "paleo diet". I know that giving up grains, even the touted "whole grains" healed my ulcer.
And what about the Masai? They have a diet exclusively of meat and have great health (or so I've read). I myself tried vegetarianism and in two weeks gained ten pounds, my ulcer came back and my skin looked awful. Too bad because I liked the food. I just stick to meats, vegetables, nuts, fruit and fish, and forgo processed foods and grains. I would like to make my diet more veg heavy, but I then struggle with hunger.
@nightflight83 I believe if you adopt a diet based on starches you will not be hungry, the reason why you ulcer came back is because it never went away in the first place, the body were finally able to begin healing it, same with your skin. Study the McDougall diet and you will be able to regain your health as it is a mountain of evidence that points in the direction that a vegetarian and low fat wholefood vegans are more healthy and live a higher quallity life.
@g9g9g9 doubtful.. it does contain minerals but it is mostly used as a detox cleaning agent, to treat infections and so on as it has an insane absorbtion ability. Plants can utilize it quite well though, after a forest fire lush vegitations grows very rapidly. The idea that it is the reason why the gladiators had good bones is important for the program, is simply because the main stream paradigm is that milk cause good bones, which simply is not true. =)
@Mrgyn No, they weren't all IFBB pros, but they were more muscular and toned than the average toga wearing boy loving roman. That which does not kill us makes us stronger... so long as we get enough rest and nutrition to facilitate adaptation.
Wow no wonder meat eaters mostly pick on the meek like in hunting killing defenseless animal or rodeo abusing cattels. I guess it's a myth that plant based diet does not make man a weakling but does it make them an angry people? I know Vegans are peaceful people but then there are those outraged by the abuse who do turn to anger. Explain please and thank you for the video :)
Barley was probably gluten-free back in those days. I guess Romans wouldn't be prone to celiac disease since they were eating wheat products however.Present day barley and most whole grains contain gluten do to contamination factors. So if you aren't intolerant to gluten this would be a good diet. But, it doesn't work for everyone. You would have to eliminate it.
Famed historian Will Durant, in his book, The Story of Civilization: Caesar and Christ, writes: "Food in camp was simple: bread or porridge, some vegetables, sour wine, rarely flesh; the Roman army conquered the world on a vegetarian diet; Caesar's troops complained when corn ran out and they had to eat meat."
I am stronger now as a vegan than I ever was on meat and dairy. You are right that barley was cheap, but that does not weaken his arguement. The point he's making is that the modern view of vegetarians as weak and sickly is a complete stereotype! Watch the whole clip; not just the part on gladiators.
@ababsurdo1567 It's a stereotype because its generally true. Look at any top level modern athlete and put them on a vegan diet... Watch their performance go into the shitter. Human beings can adapt to many diets, but diets with more animal organs and flesh are more nutritious per volume than pure veggo diets.
@Darkrider6970 I agree. There are tons of unknowns, and he postulates broadly. We live in a vastly different landscape today. How many gladiators lived to be 100? He leaves so many holes wide open you could drive a truck through them. I don't say it's all hooey, as I think that need to feel full is quite easily derived from quality starches, but ergo his extrapolation into a book and and lecture series? Hmmm....
@777TylerJB And get your ass beat. Vegans are weak. Unless you take supplements or eat your own shit like other primates you are destined to be a malnourished weakling by continuing down the vegan path.
Tell this nonsense to a Neanderthal or cro-magnon, who's skeletal remains show superhuman strength. If humans were supposed to eat barley, we'd have regenerative teeth like horses and cows and a digestive system capable of processing cellulose. We don't, and if we were to try and eat grains without heavy processing beforehand, we'd die of malnutrition and degenerative diseases, because of all the lectins and enzyme blockers present in the grains. We are omnivores. End of debate.
@roargathor Neanderthals aren't ancestors of humans, they are related but they were a different species who died out. And actually, judging by our anatomy, we're frugivores :p
@101011001 I included cro-magnon as well. They were our direct ancestors and the average cro-magnon teenager was physically superior to the best of your vegan bodies. This is indisputable.
@101011001 Actually white people have about 5% of their DNA. It's true, they just got done mapping a large portion of their DNA recently and basically we breed with them and some breed with this other group... Sorry to be so vague, I read it a few weeks ago. Seriously though do a search and check it out, it was a pretty cool read.
@roargathor That's why fruit is better than any other source of carbohydrates but once we move from our natural habitat ( the tropics) we must consume other sources of carbs. Our teeth were not made to rip apart flesh like other meat-eaters and we also do not have the instinct to look at a live animal and want to do such a thing. Our digestive system is nothing like other meat-eaters.
Geez, that's horrible, vegetarians being used as combat slaves. I wouldn't exactly use this to push vegetarianism, unless you put forth both the fact that a vegetable diet makes you hard core, but gladiators were essentially being kept as pets.
And efficiency? You wanna talk about efficiency? Why don't you and I go a round in the gladiator arena and I'll show your faggoty ass that a meat eater can turn a vegan into a pile of flesh in the sand.
@Danthemanlyman7 let me just say first that i like meat, in fact i like it bloody rare! it took me a while to except this fact about vegeterians; was first told about it from a martial arts teacher who had not idea about the gladiators, he just told me about his own experience, and now i can confirm it from my own experience - the only down fall is that it makes you more docile, that is people dont get on your nerves as much. as for the gladiators- do some research!! they were high maintanance!!
This retard needs a history lesson. The gladiators didn't choose to eat barley faggot. They were slaves and their owners fed them grain because it was cheap. Don't distort facts to promote your religious queer veganism.
@Danthemanlyman7 Actually they were fed the best diet so they could perform well. Talk to any professional athlete, they consume HIGH CARB, because that's what gets you performance.
@101011001 High carbs for performance, high protein for recovery and adaptation. Why do you think there are weight classes in just about every combat sport? Because bigger and stronger beats smaller and weaker. How do you get big and strong? You are what you eat. Vegans don't get it. They can keep living the lie. How many top level fighters are vegan? For every one that you name, I can name 50 that are bigger and stronger simply because they eat meat. Give it up.
"without a doubt, they were vegan" hahahaha, the bias, incredible. Of course people ate mainly starches for calories, but that doesn't mean they didn't eat meat whenever they possibly could. Vegans are delusional people who don't eat meat or other animal products because they believe that it's unethical to eat them (which is obviously nonsense.) Do you people see the difference between eating mainly starches because that's what's available and being a vegan?
@hans89 Ethics asside, nutritionally there is no better source of bio available nutrients in raw flesh and organ meats. Assuming we're talking wild game, and not that chemical pumped factory farmed crap that most people eat to their detriment.
I find it ridiculous when people use examples of vegan athletes to justify their way of eating. For every vegan athlete that name, I can cite 10 meat eating athletes that perform on just as high of a level. Clearly, the deciding factor is not nutrition. Just because Michael phelps thrives on fast food doesn't mean fast food gave him his abilities.
@skylinefor2 What should the deciding factor be? It is now well established that human animals have no biological need to eat other animals. Other animals whose physiology is not unlike our own in terms of their potential to suffer.
It is a really sad situation that the best justification we have for causing unimaginable suffering to non-humans is that they TASTE GOOD!!
@veganath You can argue ethics all day, but it doesn't change the facts that human beings ate meat before corn, wheat or any other retarded grain was cultivated to our detriment. Humans thrive on a varied diet of raw, wild fruits vegetables and animals. We ate what we could when we could because we didn't have a fucking walmart on every corner....
@roargathor So your implying that if we did it in the past that we should be allowed to do it now, & I'm not referring to slavery of Negroes or women.
Is there anything you can imagine that we can do to a non-human person that you would find morally reprehensible? (I make no apology for rejecting culturally indoctrinated nomenclature)
Gladiators drank gallons of goat's milk and ate goat's cheese ,they were vegetarian. calcium affects the zinc absorption that's why they were low in zinc. anyway just try exercising on a vegan diet without soy ,soy is native in china... ,you can sprout ,everything, no chance. it's my own and other thousand people's experience
@Pepeti78 Soy is a vile endocrine disrupting toxic pansy bean. Soy that isn't fermented has loads of estrogenators that turn people into docile little bitches. It is not an option for a fighting man.
Another reason to avoid the Vegan Diet is EFA deficiency, primarily DHA/EPA. Plant based Omega3 efa, known as Alpha Linolenic acid has to be converted for your body to use as DHA/EPA, this conversion rate in humans is very low, usually at a rate of 1-4%. Jesus, the saviour of the world ate fish, it should be ok for everyone else.
Uh... gladiators were slaves, as the previous commenter said. Since meat has long been a symbol of masculinity and POWER, it is not surprising that slaves would not have been fed meat.
Uh... gladiators were slaves, as the previous commenter said. Since meat has long been a symbol of masculinity and POWER, it is not surprising that slaves would not have been fed meat.
I also find it funny that so many vegan's remarks I have read revolve around their craving/love of sweets. Man by nature has a predisposition for sweet and fatty foods, very good sources of energy. But, I think that Vegans go above and beyond with the sweets....fruit, cakes, snacks...etc, etc, to make up for the utter deprivations and nutritional shortcomings of their diet. If I eat a low fat/high carb diet I find myself wanting the same....sweets and other junk.
@italndiva like who??Do they take any protein supplements? It is difficult to be a vegan..and you have to spend a lot of time preparing these foods; it is not for an average family to stay vegan....
@tealeh2 Google that information. I know many families who are vegan on a limiteed budget and do just fine. It is saving their children's lives. Can you put a price on that? No protein supplements. Why is everyone so worried about proteins? I am above normal on my protein levels. It actually makes children calmer and more compassionate for all beings. It works. I have lived this for so long I have not one problem. Most of my doctors are vegan. .
@tealeh2 Google that information. I know many families who are vegan on a limiteed budget and do just fine. It is saving their children's lives. Can you put a price on that? No protein supplements. Why is everyone so worried about proteins? I am above normal on my protein levels. It actually makes children calmer and more compassionate for all beings. It works. I have lived this for so long I have not one problem. Most of my doctors are vegan. .
@tealeh2 Google that information. I know many families who are vegan on a limiteed budget and do just fine. It is saving their children's lives. Can you put a price on that? No protein supplements. Why is everyone so worried about proteins? I am above normal on my protein levels. It actually makes children calmer and more compassionate for all beings. It works. I have lived this for so long I have not one problem. Most of my doctors are vegan. .
@tealeh2 Google that information. I know many families who are vegan on a limiteed budget and do just fine. It is saving their children's lives. Can you put a price on that? No protein supplements. Why is everyone so worried about proteins? I am above normal on my protein levels. It actually makes children calmer and more compassionate for all beings. It works. I have lived this for so long I have not one problem. Most of my doctors are vegan. .
@roargathor Jane Black, Carl Lewis, Brendan Brazier, Robert Cheeke, Mac Danzig. Robert Hazeley, Keith Holmes, Patrick J. Neshek, Fiona Oakes,, Kenneth Williams, Georges Laraque, Molly Cameron, Robert Cheeke, Luke Cummo, Bryan Danielson, Mac Danzig, Scott Jurek, Pat Neshek, John Salley, Salim Stoudamire, Tony Gonzalez, Mike Tyson and so many more. Those are a few vegans, now google the rest. This is a 10 month old post and please use google. Thank you!
I eat about 70-80% carbs as wholegrains oats ,brown rice ,and now barley :), some veggies and about 10-20% is lentils ,beans ,and minimal milk products (laziness) ,sometimes over 3000cal ,i have six pack abs with 10% body fat in the last 2 years without heavy training and weight lifting ,but i'm working light physical work every day. I think without bread and refined carbs it's just impossible to get on any fat. The GI is too low and that's not enough insulin for fat conversion
vegan shotokan ! don't believe the lies of the corporate profit minded mainsteam American diet. These corporations don' care about us. We need to research the truth and eat accordingly. I am active in martial arts, yoga and weightlifting and have been vegan for years. Find the truth out for yourself and eat to live and grow strong!
I loved the movie Gladiator, especially Joaquin Phoenix's performance. Not surprised that gladiators didn't eat animal products. Hey, I love being vegan...my body and mind are strong and running clean, after many years too.
This is all great, but I have Celiac Sprue which means I cannot eat anything that has wheat, oats, barley, or rye in it.
MissKris976 3 days ago
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This guy has it all backwards.
Gladiators were fat slaves. If they were anything of a highly skilled fighter, they would serve in the army. Though, they weren't. Their lives were for entertainment. It cost money to feed slaves, so they were fed a very CHEAP and UNHEALTHY vegan diet promoting very bad athletic performance. What you see on TV about gladiators is a terribly inaccurate depiction of historical fact.
Kikishredsgnar 2 weeks ago
I didn't think it was possible to love Gladiators anymore than I already did. Little did I know...
LegendxWind 3 weeks ago
I gotta say I agree that a vegetarian/vegan diet can be perfectly healthy. I do personally eat meat, but it's usually very little (maybe once a week). a majority of my diet consists of foods I can afford (potato, rice, oatmeal, and some vegetables), and so does my current bf. He competes in powerlifting, and I run marathons, so we obviously don't really need meat to be this way. I just eat it for the flavor. lol
VanessaTexasGal 1 month ago
@VanessaTexasGal, I have to respect that point of view. Some meat eaters will say just about anything to justify their habits, including believing in nutritional myths. Some of them are provoked and some of them aren't. I get along with meat eaters just fine, but it's the ones that are unprovoked that get ignorant. Good luck with your bf's powerlifting and your marathons. I'm on a plant-based diet and I'm more athletic than most people I know.
LloydChristmas777 1 month ago
@VanessaTexasGal, By the way, if you're going to eat potatoes, you may want to go with sweet potatoes. According to some studies, it's very healthy. Check out the video "Toxins in Sweet Potatoes" by NutritionFacts. You may also want to check out NaturalFoodsDiet YT channel. One channel is vegan based and one is not, but I love them both because I believe both doctors truly care about other humans and love facts.
LloydChristmas777 1 month ago
Really great speaker
CantWeedThis 1 month ago
@heresjonny666
Agreed
@LloydChristmas777
Agreed
TheFicklestein 2 months ago
its seems alot of people didnt listen very closely. when the bones of the gladiators were compared to non slaves theres bones were much stronger..
newtofruit 2 months ago
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TheMightyLu 2 months ago
Ive found that this is true, but it is very important to mention that they ate FERMENTED foods. This is very important to be healthy. Just wanted to let you know this.
ImaRiseToThaTop 3 months ago
@ImaRiseToThaTop fermented veggies have the same effect as yogurt - A Probiotic effect, good for intestinal health and a good gut flora
boazpatlur 2 months ago
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calico992 4 months ago
McDougall is a moron. His biased bullcrap research. Meat is not unhealthy.
terrillcase 5 months ago
@terrillcase the china study
ocean514 4 months ago
@ocean514 debunked, anddd eating less meat is not the same as eating no meat.
SovereignBodyAndMind 1 month ago
@terrillcase not healthy for the animals. It's bad for us humans. Yes, uncooked animal muscle has protein & b vitamins & zinc, but Animal meat has LDL cholesterol, Saturated Fat, Sodium Nitrate. Those cause many cancers all over the body, Heart attacks, Strokes, Diabetes, Gout. Do the research.
boazpatlur 2 months ago
This is why I eat a few barley sandwiches for lunch everyday. Good eats and gives me a little buzz.
sashmuscle 5 months ago
John mcdumbass is a liar and a fraud!
terrillcase 5 months ago
@terrillcase - yeah sounds like you just ate some factory-farmed junk food, and that's where you got the idea for that comment from.
MannySteinerBIeeky 5 months ago
the use of meat will slow you down while you do hard physical stuff due to the energy and blood it takes for digesting it. But you can eat meat when not so engaged. Many times troops can't carry meat around, so grains can be found locally or more lightly carried and simply soaked or cooked to eat on the road. It does not mean you never eat meat, just not when exertion demands your blood be ready for action, rather than trying to digest food.
bobluhrs 5 months ago
finally some truth. this is also the case for Templar knights, and the SS knew about this and used similar diets.
i think people get tricked cause they think of eating meat = strength of tiger etc, but tigers eat it raw anyway, and go for days w/o eating.
MannySteinerBIeeky 5 months ago
I guess this diet makes you agressive if gladiators and warriors ate it.
typeclash 5 months ago
I would like to believe that, but if you are a slave - you do not get to pick your meal selections. I think it is like the jewish race - they were slaves and they had to eat pork or pigs - when they were freed - they made pork/pigs a non kosher meal. I am a vegan and I believe to be rather strong for my age. Slaves do not determine their meals.
920tom 6 months ago
@920tom - that's not why they have laws against pork, it's cause of a few things - one is that uncooked pork can have very nasty worms in it, another is to do with the reasons why pigs organs can be used in human transplants.
MannySteinerBIeeky 5 months ago
Remember these gladiators were slaves and were fed the cheapest diet to keep them alive. Every vegan I've ever seen are weak and sickly looking and eventually have more than one health problem including high cholestoral. They are usually very judgemental of non vegetarians too think they are better people than meat eaters. Remember the Romans were greater in numbers and had the advantage of greater technology than their foes. They could'nt beat the Huns. Wonder what they ate.
tajsports10 6 months ago
@tajsports10 Beautifully stated. This is why they were brutal opponents, they were starved of complete protein and healthy saturated fat, and cholesterol.
FemmeBleu 6 months ago
@FemmeBleu - that's bollox. you're just unable to chuck meat etc so you make shit up about it.
on a spiritual basis the chi flows more easily from a vegan, the reasons are more to do with that the vegan is lacking in subtle vibrations of animals - if the animal is farmed then when you eat it you are basically resonating with being an entity kept in captivity and easy to herd and control. feeding people animal products helps keep them docile and controllable.
btw i'm veggie not vegan.
MannySteinerBIeeky 5 months ago
@tajsports10 The last time I checked, people who eat meat look sickly and obese. Wow, what a statement you made. Did you know that cholesterol is made within our body. Cholesterol is also found within animal tissue. Vegans don't injest animal products, therefore we do NOT suffer from high cholesterol or LDL. I'm studying to become a doctor and trust me, I KNOW the human body inside and out. Humans are herbivores.
OctyB 6 months ago
@tajsports10 -
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tubeexcellence 6 months ago
@tajsports10 - that'd be because many people become vegans for ethical reasons, and don't necessarily pay attention to their personal health. ie - they merely stop including animal products, and continue to eat processed foods and un-natural foods -
if you are going to be vegan you need to doubly-ensure you eat healthy, as the lack of what could be called the 'toxic cushion of non-feeling unawareness' that bad foods etc cause is then for you more lacking, so you also feel toxins all the more.
MannySteinerBIeeky 5 months ago
MannySteinerBIeeky
TBH the few vegans i have met personally are all in great health & look great + many of them eat organic natural foods. The ones i've seen on the internet & all are much the same, it is usually ''ex-vegetarians'' that were the ones who go vegetarian, don't eat a varied diet but instead eat junk processed foods & then give it up.
I know its my word vs yours, but i've yet to come across a vegan who is ill
TheTvrulesthenation 5 months ago
@TheTvrulesthenation - ?! you must have meant the guy i was replying to, cause your post is agreeing with me not him,
all i'd meant was to say to them that the kind of vegans he maybe knows are that way cause they are only ethical and not being healthy, obviously veganism itself isn't synonymous with being unhealthy.
sorry for any confusion.
MannySteinerBIeeky 5 months ago
@MannySteinerBIeeky
Woops :S sorry bout that myself so
TheTvrulesthenation 5 months ago
@TheTvrulesthenation, I've read and heard in person a few times how they know unhealthy vegans. It's always a convenience that they KNOW so many more vegans than I do. Never mind the non-vegans that tend to be unhealthy and sedentary. Either they really know a lot of vegans for some strange reason or they're simply lying due to some kind of lifestyle insecurity.
LloydChristmas777 2 months ago
LloydChristmas777
I'm unsure where your comment stands, there are numerous vegan athlethes (not only just participators but champions in various sports & high endurance competitions, many thank their vegan diet + training for this).
I still stand by my word that it is observational bias + those who weakly commited themselves to a diet without informing themselves that produce the stereotype that V&Vs are unhealthy + those merely lying as a form of trolling
TheTvrulesthenation 2 months ago
@TheTvrulesthenation, I'm saying that people who hate on vegans tend to pull facts from the sky. I'm sure you've heard it all: "Vegans I know are skinny and weak. They need protein...". It's just amazing how people take a case and then make a blanket statement, but ignore the non-vegans who aren't healthy. To me, that's hate, and I take it a step further and say that they imagine, true or false, that their own lifestyle is threatened, at least psychologically. I agree with your points really.
LloydChristmas777 2 months ago
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It is ironic in the sense that often the persons parents are overweight & meat-eaters by and large on average suffer obesity. Whilst vegetarian & vegan populations are well documented to be both lower in fat:muscle ratio & considered healthy by science. Many government agencies also support a low meat based diet & state vegetarianism to be a healthy form of lifestyle
TheTvrulesthenation 2 months ago
@TheTvrulesthenation, Funny you mention overweight. Some acquaintances and family members of mine have told me I'm too skinny and unhealthy looking. They happen to have muffin tops (kids too) while I have energy like a monkey and I'm the one playing with their kids when we meet.
LloydChristmas777 2 months ago
LloydChristmas777
Just tell them that gladiators were vegetarians (vegans diets) & roman foot soldiers too. Tends to shut people up quite fast i've found, that or the embodiment of manliness Mike Tyson is a vegan & the current lightweight UFC champion Danzig
TheTvrulesthenation 2 months ago
@TheTvrulesthenation, I agreed with all you say except your last comments. Gladiators and roman foot soldiers being vegan is debatable. If vegan at all, was it by choice? Tyson only went vegan recently, after his retirement. Even then, I disagree with his pigeon breeding. Are you trolling me about the UFC lightweight champ? It's not Mac Danzig; it's Frankie Edgar, and I'm pretty sure he's not a vegan.
There're many successful vegan athletes, but we better be sure to be factual.
LloydChristmas777 2 months ago
LloydChristmas777
Sorry i was saying they were hardly vegans (leather would've been popularly used obviously). The Tyson reference is merely a response to those who call vegetarians/vegans weak girly hippies. As for UFC sorry i dunno why i typed that i meant lightweight UFC champion (not current). Even at that Danzigs won quite a few honors in MMA.
Same goes for that karate champion abdele or something, that guy is HUGE
TheTvrulesthenation 2 months ago
@TheTvrulesthenation, Gladiators and soldiers, vegan or not, they did what they were told to do and it usually wasn't intrinsic. Danzig has had a successful career with a record of 20 - 9, but it's quite unlikely he'll ever be champion. That has little to do with his diet, but rather he simply doesn't have the tools to be a top contender.
As for vegan haters: People will always move goal posts no matter how successful a vegan is. Hating vegans is more about insecurities than anything.
LloydChristmas777 2 months ago
@LloydChristmas777 Doesn't matter if it was by force, fact is their diets shut up the vegetarian/vegan haters (except for the trolls).
HybridD91 1 month ago
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calico992 4 months ago
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calico992 4 months ago
@tajsports10 You are right about the gladiators, but the same applied to the poor and common foot soldiers. I'm a vegetarian, and I'm quite healthy and athletic. Even doing rotc in college. I never judge or tell anyone they are wrong. In fact, I get far more shit for it than I give out. As for the Romans. They defeated themselves far more than the Huns did...and it wasn't only the Huns. Even if they did do it however, explaining it by diet is very simplisitc. Rome won many battles outnumbered
Zando24 3 months ago 2
@Zando24, Good points about the Romans and I'm in the same boat as you for getting flamed by people in real life about my plant diet.
LloydChristmas777 1 month ago
I'd love to go back in time in Rome and watch a group of men fight a tiger to the death.
mkvnwk 6 months ago
gladiators were slaves so the ate like slave meat was a privilege unless you hunted for your self
jasonsacrifice1 7 months ago
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jasonsacrifice1 7 months ago
Gladiators were slaves and there diets reflected there status in society. Also can somone please tell me where the Mongol Hoarde obtained starches from on the steppe?? I'd love to know how nomadic people who didn't cultivate the land but were experts at herding and animal husbandry obtained enough starches to conquer the "world".
groundnpounder 7 months ago
digesting meat takes a lot of bodily energy a long time to digest - lowering overall available energy - in India they understand it lowers ones "prana" (energy of action) which dulls response time, mental acuity etc. It's no surprise that soldiers would recognize this and cut out meat during battle times.
mn8n 7 months ago
If you'd like to be a vicious killer, eat a vegan diet!
Ctupper1990 7 months ago
what a bunch of horse hockey, mc dougall's spin is hilarious. This is yet another proof gluten causes brain inflammation which precipitates potential for brutal violence. Who on earth would want to have gladiators as a role model?
KnightOfTheStorms 7 months ago
@KnightOfTheStorms Where's the spin?
1imesub 7 months ago
but back then, plants and crops had more nutrients than they did today. overfarming, soil destruction, processing, irradiation, packaging, prolonged exposure to sunlight have rendered fruits and groceries we buy less nutritious. that is why we must take vitamins and minerals, but in liquid form(not in capsule or tablet form, a waste of money becuz of lack of absorption) liquid form for best absorption.
mrzack888 7 months ago
@mrzack888 only people making poor food choices need to suplement all vit&minerals... as a 6foot4 very active vegan, I only take b12... I make check up exams every 6months and my health is FANTASTIC. Starchs are great, but it's very important to eat lots of fruits, the most nutritious food per calorie on earth
vitor1271 6 months ago 8
@vitor1271 I as well am very active woman body builder and I'm a vegan! I seem to gain muscle faster, and more cut than ever before(when I used to eat meat). Meat eaters are also lacking in B12 and this is a common misconception that only vegans suffer from B12 deficiencies. B12 is actually a bacteria which can be found in vegetables too. Also, humans dont have the natural born instincts to kill.
OctyB 6 months ago
@vitor1271, Thanks for sharing that. I'm the same as you, but not a giant. :)
LloydChristmas777 2 months ago
@vitor1271 I'm also a vegetarian. For over a year now, and few months ago I went to the doctor to let him check my blood. I was super healthy. :D
sablehhh 1 month ago
Quite a dapper fellow, I must say...
thestreetsempty 8 months ago
Dr. John McDougall, YOU ARE THE MAN!
1imesub 8 months ago
The Romans were hardly civilized. Prohibits we could just as easily conclude that this was a result of their diet. I don't mean do discredit the benefits of being vegan. But i would like to point out the dubious nature of these conclusions. The human body is incredibly adaptive and can preform at an optimum under many dietary conditions.
gdykes 8 months ago
@gdykes The only way you'll ever know is if you try it. I can tell you from personal experience that I feel much cleaner and stronger after cutting out meat and dairy. My endurance is higher as well. Give it a try.
1imesub 8 months ago 2
Pictorial drawings is pretty shitty evidence of gladiators weight. If I was a gladiator I sure as hell would want to be fat, that way if i got nicked by a weapon i wouldn't fucking die, that not to say I wouldn't also want to be strong as fuck. Like it or not they aren't exclusive things.
Why is being fat unhealthy? I can understand that it puts a lot of pressure on your organs but hell if you are already buff as hell I don't think it would make much of a difference?
MirageScience 9 months ago
Well, whenever someone tells people that being a vegetarian stunts your growth, makes you weak and so on I just point to myself and my brother. We've both been vegetarians all our lives, never eaten any meat. We're both over 6ft (I'm 6'5), well built (Considering I don't do much xD) and have no health problems. I'm not saying everyone should be, but I think people need to stop pulling this "meat is macho" bs out on veggies constantly. It's lame.
heresjonny666 9 months ago 22
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calico992 4 months ago
@heresjonny666, I hear such nonsense about vegans all the time bro... usually by people that look unhealthy.
LloydChristmas777 2 months ago
@heresjonny666 FUCK MEAT ! UR SHT SHOULD BE WHAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE DOING >:( MEOW !!!....no seriously...O_O so many healty stuff happened to me when I ate more and more of veggies :D no more depression , hornyness level off the chart , energized but I get pissed when 2 couples make out in front of my face D:....
Veggies Veggies Veggies !!!!
MontrealKJ 1 month ago
Ok so these guys were Gladiators who were Vegan, was that why they lost? what does this say for the Vegan Gladiators? were they prisoners forced to eat barley so that they would lose?
DanielManahan 9 months ago
I am a vegan bodybuilder, and I LOVE this video, but there is one tiny mistruth toward the end. Genghis Khan and his men -did live on mainly starch-
however, during long conquests in which grains were not available they would poke a small hole in the neck of their horses and drink the blood to hold them over until their next meal, so while the Gladiators, probably Were vegan, Genghis and Co, were Vegan only when they could be.
calico992 10 months ago
This guy is a tool.
RDLoehrke 10 months ago
This guy has an MD? HES A QUACK
KorlicTheGreat 10 months ago
@KorlicTheGreat
You said it, brother. My aunt is obsessed with this guy he has no idea what he's talking about. Check out his diet plan the "McDougall Diet" which advocates a diet that is about 85% carbohydrate calories. Great way to induce type 2 diabetes if that's your goal though!
lalem91 10 months ago
@lalem91 um, do you know what kind of carbs he's suggesting? definitely not white bread and donuts. lots of people that follow his plan have lost weight and are healthier than they were before.
brittyn 10 months ago
@brittyn it doesnt matter all carbohydrates convert into blood glucose it just changes how fast it spikes your insulin levels. human body responds to excess carbohydrates by converting them into fat. and losing weight is about caloric intake, not about carbohydrates. yes you should definitely eat healthy fruits and vegetables. but not a high starch or vegan diet. and it is very unlikely that these SEAFARING CONQUERORS farmed rather than ate fish since they were... you know... at sea? just sayin
lalem91 10 months ago
@lalem91, Not a vegan diet? Strong evidence and a growing population of regular people to athletes say that's it's healthy.
LloydChristmas777 2 months ago
Gladiators were Vegans!.... because meat was expensive and not worth it for slaves. Stop spinning shit like fox news.
KorlicTheGreat 10 months ago
Aslo the fact that coquering nations ate alot of grains implies they were agricultural. This also implies keeping livestock. It also impies they were well orginised...
DrSpooglemon 11 months ago
I do believe that some people need more protein than others. Others may gat on better with more carbohydrate. I find that milk protein is best when working out. Not the whey but the caseine. I recover more quickly and grow faster. Only problem is I am mildly allergic to caseine. I also feel more energy when consuming more protein. Everyone is different and just because the gladiators didn't cosume high protein doesn't mean they wouldn't have benefitted from it...
DrSpooglemon 11 months ago
@DrSpooglemon You will find that if you change you plant protein not only will you restitute faster but your health will improve in general. Milk is liquid meat and is very harmful for the human body. The body on the other hand needs only 0.75 grams pr kilo of protein, if you work out you need slightly more perhaps 1 gram pr kilo, now here is the kicker.. the body produce 2/3 of the daily protein by using dead or injured cells and recycles it.
Mekelsior 10 months ago
I am intersted in this. I have a few questions though. Without being confrontational: I don't have an axe to grind. Just wondering about B12. How can a vegan be sure of getting any let alone enough? I don't eat much animal produce but I take vitamins. Just wondering how the athletes past or present get all the nutrients they need. I do have aone point to make though. Any gladiators that didn't do well on that kind of diet would have been killed early in their career leaving only those how did...
DrSpooglemon 11 months ago 2
@DrSpooglemon B12 is an interesting topic, most meat eaters have a bigger deficiency of B12 than vegans, the reason is that B12 is produced by bacteria and is absorbed in the mouth. Meat diet cause a lot of problems and is known to cause acid surpluss which is very bad for the system, we are 75%+ water after all and the body is slightly alkaline. Now all nutrients on this planets comes from the producers, the plants. We are often second consumers as many eat meat and dairy.
Mekelsior 10 months ago
Amazing what people believe
thimsile 11 months ago
This really shouldnt shock you...the staple food for Romans who weren't wealthy was grains either ground into a flour for bread or made into a polenta like porridge, they had fruits, veggies, and grains. Only rich people ate meat in Rome, and they didn't fight battles...Everyone knows, its not a secret that the Roman army, gladiators, and the better part of the population ate simple grain food for their diet. Where is your proof for saying the soldiers denied meat for performance? lol idiot.
CorpusChristi83 11 months ago
@Mrgyn
"The gladiators ate what they could eat, they had no choice."
Exactly.
5mnz7fg 11 months ago
Why is it that Westerners are criticized for eating meat, but indigenous peoples of the world aren't? Are the Masai, Inuits, and others okay?
nightflight83 11 months ago
@nightflight83 The western lifestyle is the most taxing way of living of all, it is also made by choice, USA is in a temperate zone and can grow any kind of food, pretty much, but have chosen to focus on high fat, high cholestrol and protein diet, then they add in a bunch of refined products and reap the consequences, heart disease, cancer, arthritis, autism (insert auto immune disease here).. location is the issue, people in the artic area, for example, are limited but not without disease.
Mekelsior 10 months ago
@Mekelsior
What if one eschews the refined products and sticks to lean meats and non-starchy vegetables? Many people have had spectacular results from the so-called "paleo diet". I know that giving up grains, even the touted "whole grains" healed my ulcer.
nightflight83 10 months ago
@Mekelsior
And what about the Masai? They have a diet exclusively of meat and have great health (or so I've read). I myself tried vegetarianism and in two weeks gained ten pounds, my ulcer came back and my skin looked awful. Too bad because I liked the food. I just stick to meats, vegetables, nuts, fruit and fish, and forgo processed foods and grains. I would like to make my diet more veg heavy, but I then struggle with hunger.
nightflight83 10 months ago
@nightflight83 I believe if you adopt a diet based on starches you will not be hungry, the reason why you ulcer came back is because it never went away in the first place, the body were finally able to begin healing it, same with your skin. Study the McDougall diet and you will be able to regain your health as it is a mountain of evidence that points in the direction that a vegetarian and low fat wholefood vegans are more healthy and live a higher quallity life.
Mekelsior 10 months ago
Does charcoal increase bone density?
g9g9g9 11 months ago
@g9g9g9 doubtful.. it does contain minerals but it is mostly used as a detox cleaning agent, to treat infections and so on as it has an insane absorbtion ability. Plants can utilize it quite well though, after a forest fire lush vegitations grows very rapidly. The idea that it is the reason why the gladiators had good bones is important for the program, is simply because the main stream paradigm is that milk cause good bones, which simply is not true. =)
Mekelsior 10 months ago
@Mrgyn No, they weren't all IFBB pros, but they were more muscular and toned than the average toga wearing boy loving roman. That which does not kill us makes us stronger... so long as we get enough rest and nutrition to facilitate adaptation.
roargathor 1 year ago
the most powerful state was ottoman empire...ottoman empire more powerful than roman empire...and ottoman soldiers always eat meat...
TonyParamatti 1 year ago
Wow no wonder meat eaters mostly pick on the meek like in hunting killing defenseless animal or rodeo abusing cattels. I guess it's a myth that plant based diet does not make man a weakling but does it make them an angry people? I know Vegans are peaceful people but then there are those outraged by the abuse who do turn to anger. Explain please and thank you for the video :)
HR5337SPORTSHUNTING 1 year ago
Barley was probably gluten-free back in those days. I guess Romans wouldn't be prone to celiac disease since they were eating wheat products however.Present day barley and most whole grains contain gluten do to contamination factors. So if you aren't intolerant to gluten this would be a good diet. But, it doesn't work for everyone. You would have to eliminate it.
jazzplayer9 1 year ago
Probably explains why over 90% of the first 500yrs of Western Christians were vegetarians, viz., they were predominantly Romans.
FountainOfGardens 1 year ago
But CHİMPS EAT MEAT...SOME GORİLLAS EAT MEAT...What a fucking relation is this ?
TonyParamatti 1 year ago
@TonyParamatti dude, gorilla does not eat meat. only 3 % diet is non-vegan i.e. from termites
archerengelo 1 year ago
@archerengelo
But Chimpanzees and Bonobos eat quite a lot of meat.
5mnz7fg 11 months ago
@5mnz7fg How fortunate then that we are neither of those! XD
Mekelsior 10 months ago
@Mekelsior
Indeed, unlike them we can prepare our meat.^^
5mnz7fg 10 months ago
Famed historian Will Durant, in his book, The Story of Civilization: Caesar and Christ, writes: "Food in camp was simple: bread or porridge, some vegetables, sour wine, rarely flesh; the Roman army conquered the world on a vegetarian diet; Caesar's troops complained when corn ran out and they had to eat meat."
headveg 1 year ago 38
@headveg shit is a myth, no one knows the truth
MegaCRuffy 1 year ago
@headveg
The Roman armies were also supplied with smoked or salted pork.
5mnz7fg 10 months ago
@headveg but veggie heads are never violent and combative and so caring! :P
that proves diet dosen't make more aggressive if it has meats
kuwaizair 7 months ago
I am stronger now as a vegan than I ever was on meat and dairy. You are right that barley was cheap, but that does not weaken his arguement. The point he's making is that the modern view of vegetarians as weak and sickly is a complete stereotype! Watch the whole clip; not just the part on gladiators.
ababsurdo1567 1 year ago 3
@ababsurdo1567 It's a stereotype because its generally true. Look at any top level modern athlete and put them on a vegan diet... Watch their performance go into the shitter. Human beings can adapt to many diets, but diets with more animal organs and flesh are more nutritious per volume than pure veggo diets.
roargathor 1 year ago
They likely ate barley because it was cheap. It likely had nothing to do with what would benefit them the most. They were quite poor, in fact.
futoncat 1 year ago
Like usual, Mcdougall is using weak argumentation.
Darkrider6970 1 year ago
@Darkrider6970 I agree. There are tons of unknowns, and he postulates broadly. We live in a vastly different landscape today. How many gladiators lived to be 100? He leaves so many holes wide open you could drive a truck through them. I don't say it's all hooey, as I think that need to feel full is quite easily derived from quality starches, but ergo his extrapolation into a book and and lecture series? Hmmm....
canadianroot 1 year ago
I notice the meat eaters seem very angry about this xD
101011001 1 year ago 3
@101011001 Not angry, amused. To believe that vegans were better nourished than omnivores is pure fantasy.
roargathor 1 year ago
@Mrgyn You can think that all you want, but the research says otherwise :b
101011001 1 year ago
Non-vegans irritate me. I am going to become a fighter so I can hurt non-vegans.
777TylerJB 1 year ago 14
@777TylerJB
Lol and by the way I'm a vegan too
DonnaUtubefan 1 year ago
@777TylerJB Haha, I'm trying to learn about this. Maybe it wouldn't be too bad, but milk seems good & other things vegans don't have.
SANxJONERO 1 year ago
@777TylerJB And get your ass beat. Vegans are weak. Unless you take supplements or eat your own shit like other primates you are destined to be a malnourished weakling by continuing down the vegan path.
roargathor 1 year ago
Tell this nonsense to a Neanderthal or cro-magnon, who's skeletal remains show superhuman strength. If humans were supposed to eat barley, we'd have regenerative teeth like horses and cows and a digestive system capable of processing cellulose. We don't, and if we were to try and eat grains without heavy processing beforehand, we'd die of malnutrition and degenerative diseases, because of all the lectins and enzyme blockers present in the grains. We are omnivores. End of debate.
roargathor 1 year ago
@roargathor Neanderthals aren't ancestors of humans, they are related but they were a different species who died out. And actually, judging by our anatomy, we're frugivores :p
101011001 1 year ago
@101011001 Wrong. We're omnivores. Otherwise we wouldn't have been Hunters and gatherers for the majority of our existence.
roargathor 1 year ago
@101011001 I included cro-magnon as well. They were our direct ancestors and the average cro-magnon teenager was physically superior to the best of your vegan bodies. This is indisputable.
roargathor 1 year ago
@101011001 Actually white people have about 5% of their DNA. It's true, they just got done mapping a large portion of their DNA recently and basically we breed with them and some breed with this other group... Sorry to be so vague, I read it a few weeks ago. Seriously though do a search and check it out, it was a pretty cool read.
RunandGunPictures 5 months ago
@roargathor That's why fruit is better than any other source of carbohydrates but once we move from our natural habitat ( the tropics) we must consume other sources of carbs. Our teeth were not made to rip apart flesh like other meat-eaters and we also do not have the instinct to look at a live animal and want to do such a thing. Our digestive system is nothing like other meat-eaters.
82Bdog 1 year ago
Geez, that's horrible, vegetarians being used as combat slaves. I wouldn't exactly use this to push vegetarianism, unless you put forth both the fact that a vegetable diet makes you hard core, but gladiators were essentially being kept as pets.
maugustyniak 1 year ago
And efficiency? You wanna talk about efficiency? Why don't you and I go a round in the gladiator arena and I'll show your faggoty ass that a meat eater can turn a vegan into a pile of flesh in the sand.
Danthemanlyman7 1 year ago
@Danthemanlyman7 let me just say first that i like meat, in fact i like it bloody rare! it took me a while to except this fact about vegeterians; was first told about it from a martial arts teacher who had not idea about the gladiators, he just told me about his own experience, and now i can confirm it from my own experience - the only down fall is that it makes you more docile, that is people dont get on your nerves as much. as for the gladiators- do some research!! they were high maintanance!!
Thraxz666 1 year ago
This retard needs a history lesson. The gladiators didn't choose to eat barley faggot. They were slaves and their owners fed them grain because it was cheap. Don't distort facts to promote your religious queer veganism.
Danthemanlyman7 1 year ago
@Danthemanlyman7 Actually they were fed the best diet so they could perform well. Talk to any professional athlete, they consume HIGH CARB, because that's what gets you performance.
101011001 1 year ago
@101011001 High carbs for performance, high protein for recovery and adaptation. Why do you think there are weight classes in just about every combat sport? Because bigger and stronger beats smaller and weaker. How do you get big and strong? You are what you eat. Vegans don't get it. They can keep living the lie. How many top level fighters are vegan? For every one that you name, I can name 50 that are bigger and stronger simply because they eat meat. Give it up.
roargathor 1 year ago
McDougall seems to present facts that can easily disprove his point. Many things are overlooked...
ChasinTranes 1 year ago
"without a doubt, they were vegan" hahahaha, the bias, incredible. Of course people ate mainly starches for calories, but that doesn't mean they didn't eat meat whenever they possibly could. Vegans are delusional people who don't eat meat or other animal products because they believe that it's unethical to eat them (which is obviously nonsense.) Do you people see the difference between eating mainly starches because that's what's available and being a vegan?
hans89 1 year ago
@hans89 Ethics asside, nutritionally there is no better source of bio available nutrients in raw flesh and organ meats. Assuming we're talking wild game, and not that chemical pumped factory farmed crap that most people eat to their detriment.
roargathor 1 year ago
I find it ridiculous when people use examples of vegan athletes to justify their way of eating. For every vegan athlete that name, I can cite 10 meat eating athletes that perform on just as high of a level. Clearly, the deciding factor is not nutrition. Just because Michael phelps thrives on fast food doesn't mean fast food gave him his abilities.
skylinefor2 1 year ago
@skylinefor2 What should the deciding factor be? It is now well established that human animals have no biological need to eat other animals. Other animals whose physiology is not unlike our own in terms of their potential to suffer.
It is a really sad situation that the best justification we have for causing unimaginable suffering to non-humans is that they TASTE GOOD!!
veganath 1 year ago 2
@veganath You can argue ethics all day, but it doesn't change the facts that human beings ate meat before corn, wheat or any other retarded grain was cultivated to our detriment. Humans thrive on a varied diet of raw, wild fruits vegetables and animals. We ate what we could when we could because we didn't have a fucking walmart on every corner....
roargathor 1 year ago
@roargathor So your implying that if we did it in the past that we should be allowed to do it now, & I'm not referring to slavery of Negroes or women.
Is there anything you can imagine that we can do to a non-human person that you would find morally reprehensible? (I make no apology for rejecting culturally indoctrinated nomenclature)
veganath 1 year ago
Gladiators drank gallons of goat's milk and ate goat's cheese ,they were vegetarian. calcium affects the zinc absorption that's why they were low in zinc. anyway just try exercising on a vegan diet without soy ,soy is native in china... ,you can sprout ,everything, no chance. it's my own and other thousand people's experience
Pepeti78 1 year ago
@Pepeti78 Soy is a vile endocrine disrupting toxic pansy bean. Soy that isn't fermented has loads of estrogenators that turn people into docile little bitches. It is not an option for a fighting man.
roargathor 1 year ago
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Another reason to avoid the Vegan Diet is EFA deficiency, primarily DHA/EPA. Plant based Omega3 efa, known as Alpha Linolenic acid has to be converted for your body to use as DHA/EPA, this conversion rate in humans is very low, usually at a rate of 1-4%. Jesus, the saviour of the world ate fish, it should be ok for everyone else.
tickyul 1 year ago
Uh... gladiators were slaves, as the previous commenter said. Since meat has long been a symbol of masculinity and POWER, it is not surprising that slaves would not have been fed meat.
Aprinsa 1 year ago
Uh... gladiators were slaves, as the previous commenter said. Since meat has long been a symbol of masculinity and POWER, it is not surprising that slaves would not have been fed meat.
Aprinsa 1 year ago
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I also find it funny that so many vegan's remarks I have read revolve around their craving/love of sweets. Man by nature has a predisposition for sweet and fatty foods, very good sources of energy. But, I think that Vegans go above and beyond with the sweets....fruit, cakes, snacks...etc, etc, to make up for the utter deprivations and nutritional shortcomings of their diet. If I eat a low fat/high carb diet I find myself wanting the same....sweets and other junk.
tickyul 1 year ago
Gladiators were slaves and could not determine their own diet.
dorkdork111 1 year ago
they could not feed them with meat .....gladiators were slaves...meats cost more...
tealeh2 1 year ago
@tealeh2 Why are some of the best athletes in the world vegan then?
italndiva 1 year ago
@italndiva like who??Do they take any protein supplements? It is difficult to be a vegan..and you have to spend a lot of time preparing these foods; it is not for an average family to stay vegan....
tealeh2 1 year ago
@tealeh2 Google that information. I know many families who are vegan on a limiteed budget and do just fine. It is saving their children's lives. Can you put a price on that? No protein supplements. Why is everyone so worried about proteins? I am above normal on my protein levels. It actually makes children calmer and more compassionate for all beings. It works. I have lived this for so long I have not one problem. Most of my doctors are vegan. .
italndiva 1 year ago
@tealeh2 Google that information. I know many families who are vegan on a limiteed budget and do just fine. It is saving their children's lives. Can you put a price on that? No protein supplements. Why is everyone so worried about proteins? I am above normal on my protein levels. It actually makes children calmer and more compassionate for all beings. It works. I have lived this for so long I have not one problem. Most of my doctors are vegan. .
italndiva 1 year ago
@tealeh2 Google that information. I know many families who are vegan on a limiteed budget and do just fine. It is saving their children's lives. Can you put a price on that? No protein supplements. Why is everyone so worried about proteins? I am above normal on my protein levels. It actually makes children calmer and more compassionate for all beings. It works. I have lived this for so long I have not one problem. Most of my doctors are vegan. .
italndiva 1 year ago 3
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@tealeh2 Google that information. I know many families who are vegan on a limiteed budget and do just fine. It is saving their children's lives. Can you put a price on that? No protein supplements. Why is everyone so worried about proteins? I am above normal on my protein levels. It actually makes children calmer and more compassionate for all beings. It works. I have lived this for so long I have not one problem. Most of my doctors are vegan. .
italndiva 1 year ago
@italndiva Really? Who? I don't know any of these "some of the best" you speak of.
roargathor 1 year ago
@roargathor Jane Black, Carl Lewis, Brendan Brazier, Robert Cheeke, Mac Danzig. Robert Hazeley, Keith Holmes, Patrick J. Neshek, Fiona Oakes,, Kenneth Williams, Georges Laraque, Molly Cameron, Robert Cheeke, Luke Cummo, Bryan Danielson, Mac Danzig, Scott Jurek, Pat Neshek, John Salley, Salim Stoudamire, Tony Gonzalez, Mike Tyson and so many more. Those are a few vegans, now google the rest. This is a 10 month old post and please use google. Thank you!
italndiva 1 year ago
I eat about 70-80% carbs as wholegrains oats ,brown rice ,and now barley :), some veggies and about 10-20% is lentils ,beans ,and minimal milk products (laziness) ,sometimes over 3000cal ,i have six pack abs with 10% body fat in the last 2 years without heavy training and weight lifting ,but i'm working light physical work every day. I think without bread and refined carbs it's just impossible to get on any fat. The GI is too low and that's not enough insulin for fat conversion
8peterp 1 year ago
vegan shotokan ! don't believe the lies of the corporate profit minded mainsteam American diet. These corporations don' care about us. We need to research the truth and eat accordingly. I am active in martial arts, yoga and weightlifting and have been vegan for years. Find the truth out for yourself and eat to live and grow strong!
r5768 1 year ago 4
@r5768 videos or you're lying.
roargathor 1 year ago
I loved the movie Gladiator, especially Joaquin Phoenix's performance. Not surprised that gladiators didn't eat animal products. Hey, I love being vegan...my body and mind are strong and running clean, after many years too.
1221solstice2012 1 year ago
This was on QI recently. Although they may have followed vegan diets, they still probably wore animal skins, so were not completely vegan.
veganjackson 1 year ago
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Fuck barely i will keep my meat
warren2500 1 year ago
XVX for life, R.A.S.H. 'til death.
aquamammal 1 year ago
Hey, I wonder if he's related to Christopher McDougall. Read his book and you will painlessly run barefoot!
What's wrong with whey protein powders? I make shakes with strawberries, blueberries, a banana and protein powder a few times a week.
AmericanCritiquer 1 year ago
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YAY lets all eat nothing but barley, fuck off! i love meat. this comment will get spam marked withing 5 min
disturbed119 1 year ago
@disturbed119
The best part about trolls is their usernames, very appropriate.
Enjoy your meat, disturbed :)
plumevine 1 year ago