Jesus christ people this building was made differently than the twin towers you fucking retards IRS is made of bricks and steel twin towers sheet rock and steel bricks are harder to break than sheet rock you can bend sheet rock with your hands
This guy just did what many americans want to do when they are raped and heinously abused by those at the IRS who think they have no reason to be accountable for the horrors they place on taxpayers
@RainbowManification assuming, I thought it was a skyscraper, would mean I would think really tall things are the only things that fall, hope ya don't trip, loser
@ZachariahLogan So, its the internet, I have anonymity, so who really cares. Also it still doesn't change the fact that this building isn't a sky scraper
@RainbowManification anonymity? I'm sure the congressman thought the exact same thing. Loser, I never said it was a sky scraper, get some toilet paper, and stop typing like you don't clean your ass,
@RainbowManification ever hear of reinforced concrete beams? that's was the trick to that, the plane (therefore the wings) were traveling too fast, that they were ineffective against the re-enforced concrete.
It is our government that are the terrorist any more. I am sure are going to see more and more of this the way they make laws that only benefit there selves. Our government has been self serving for a long, long time. People are finally getting to the point where enough is enough. It is sad that it has come to this.
what a stupid report when people who are furious with the IRS crash their planes into building occupied by the IRS then it is definitely intentional. When that stupid bitch says disheartening it makes it sound like a mild inconvenience. The IRS makes mistakes and those mistakes "dishearten" people to the point of flying planes into their buildings. I love my country but the IRS has given up on separating right from wrong. I wouldn't piss on one of their phone monkeys if they were on fire.
it's the IRS. The pilot is a damm decent man. I promise you the IRS collection approach creates most of the terrorists out there. What the hell else can you do when the braindead IRS telephone employees waste your time but you still recognize the U.S as the leader of the free world and don't want to help a bunch of smelly Muslims. I've dealt with the IRS claiming I owed them thousands when they actually owed me a return. I love the U.S. but I'd spit in the face of any IRS mother fucker.
it's the IRS. The pilot is a damm decent man. I promise you the IRS collection approach creates most of the terrorists out there. What the hell else can you do when the braindead IRS telephone employees waste your time but you still recognize the U.S as the leader of the free world and don't want to help a bunch of smelly Muslims. I've dealt with the IRS claiming I owed them thousands when they actually owed me a return. I love the U.S. but I'd spit in the face of any IRS mother fucker.
The U.S. Supreme Court is the court of last appeal. It's controlled by a Talmudist mentality. The Talmud tells followers to lie, cheat, steal and kill for personal profit. There will be no justice in the USA as long as these Talmudists in the Supreme Court are there. They must be impeached and/or arrested by military or citizen's arrest. Judge Scalia stated he holds the Jews' Talmud up as a higher law than the US Constitution- that's treason. 9 judges decided a case together. "9" means the end.
One from an actor who was paid to say, "The building collapsed from intense heat and structural pressure."
So, why is this Austin building still standing? I though New Physics requires tall structures to fall for any reason whatsoever. especially from hocus pocus.
@thelivingfire Joe found a outside the box solution to solve his tax problems,hopefully the Internal revenue service will catch on to this hint. The service needs improvement. Tim Mc Veigh would be proud
What's really heartbreaking is that he could only do it to ONE building. A true American Hero! (Yes, I realize that the Mother Fucking Homeland Security Jewish Pricks are checking my IP Address right now-Fuck all of you pricks!)
Someone got fed up of calling and getting no response ;-). Reminds me of the customer service lines that offer no resolution most of the time! While reading an article, I realized that this man had plenty of issues with the IRS before he attempted to take matters into his own hand. He stood up for what he believed in! What makes him less of a hero than a soldier? We all know that innocent people die all the time and it's not just in America but people throughout the world.
Um...America is a fucking police state with business and government giving each other reach arounds at the working class' expense. What the fuck did you expect was going to happen. Yeah I'll go and talk to my representative about my problems he'll understand and stand up to big business. Are you retarded? The only reason we are even having this discussion is because of what he did. Do you not see the irony in that. Probably not - Dumb Americans. Fuel another war. Imperialist shits.
@RastafariPoet He would salute a man who flew his plane into an IRS building killing multiple innocent people who had nothing to do with the injustice of the system, but wouldn't salute 16 muslim extremist who flew 4 hijacked commercial airliners into 3 buildings and 1 went into the ground with the intent of striking the white house, and killed 2,986 people?
@RastafariPoet Jefferson disliked too much government intrusion but he wasn't a kook and certainly would have trialed and hung this traitor right on main street square.
@RastafariPoet lol u took the words out of my mouth dude...the taxes in this country is just ridiculous...frustrating...he did die a hero...its just too stupid the media doesn't realize it
This is heartbreaking. I might be speculating here, but I'll bet Joseph Stack truly loves his country and would do just about anything to defend it, but his country just didn't care for him and his financial plight by burying him with draconian and burdensome taxes for no good reason.
I don't condone his actions; a lot of innocent people could have been hurt or worse, but I understand his bitterness.
@Andycards A hero is someone that fights for what he believes is right and he believed that every day our country is turning into a police state where the government gets away with a lof of BS. He was a true martyr in my book.
@BluePitNose Then you must also think those behind the 9/11 attacks are true martyrs too. Since there are many out there that believe you are wrong, would it be right for them to walk into your family home and blow themselves up just to show they don't like you?
@BluePitNoseThen you must also think those behind the 9/11 attacks are true martyrs too. Since there are many out there that believe you are wrong, would it be right for them to walk into your family home and blow themselves up just to show they don't like you?
Ovito85 all the people praising this man, I hope an AMERICAN not a TALIBAN but AMERICAN rams a plane into a building and one of your family members are in the building, lets see how much you like this garbage then. Fucking idiots! Americans should not be doing this crazy shit you ignorant assholes! 19 hours ago
This man was a terrorist plain and simple. And the man he killed is the real hero. He served his country during war time and continued in federal service after that. It is not the IRS that makes the tax laws, that is done by Congress. And if you properly file and pay your taxes in the first place the IRS wouldn't have to try to collect from you. All they do is make sure everyone pays what they owe, but if you try to be sneaky, penalties can attach.
the system is designed to cause pain because there is' no gain without pain'.
How did you think the system works? Something for nothing?
Normally the crooks expect the sufferee to beat their wife or kids due to the frustration but this guy was smart and see the root that needed to be hit.
There needs to be a big refresh button on our way of doing things in this country. This current system and in the past only benefits the rich. As we continue to see the destruction of our constitution and the destruction of the middle class, expect to see more uprsings against this system which poses a threat to our so called democracy...
I'm so glad we created an entire new division for home land security, and have the FBI and the CIA working for the American people because otherwise we might have people flying their planes into American buildings.
There is a celebration to be done here. I want to dance on the grave of this IRS douche bag who died and give to middle fingers to his wife. Her grief is a reason to lift of a toast.
@freethinker77 this man is not a hero. he killed an innocent man for nothing. He had a good life, a lot better than many people. How bad could his life be if he could buy all those guitars, own a home, and a PLANE. I hope he burns in hell. And you should be ashamed for calling him a hero. you make me sick.
@RastafariPoet If he is a hero, then so were the people behind the 9/11 attacks. Which means you are someone that thinks killing people you don't agree with is a good thing.
Its natural, I don't wish death on any innocent being. However, when the American people are mad. Then something is wrong. Things like this happen. People are losing their jobs & the IRS Still wants money collected. "Money now, Food later!" would be their motto. If they'd stop sending Israel so much of it, possibly we wouldnt be as mad.
You don't understand who did the 9/11 attacks or why they did them.
The Zionist bankers masterminded the 9/11 attacks to enslave you. They will kill just to rob you or for the fun of it once they form their 1-world government. They have no respect for human life. They will tell Jews to switch to another religion and then kill them too.
Zionists see themselves as superhuman special beings, not human beings. They did 9/11 to rob citizens.
@RastafariPoet do you know what the government did to him? "free trade & freedom for all" they messed up his computer business, he was bankrupt & they demanded a lot of taxes to be paid. Bad accountant? but what angered him the most was to lose his life savings because the fake-fraud USA that claimed to be fair & just skrewed him & his business because frankly only big corporations are allowed to survive in a competitive fascist USA environment while small ma & pa stores are run out of business.
@tersaw1234: You cannot be both innocent and knowingly work for a corrupt system. The job of IRS workers is to steal excessive amounts of money from the people of the United States - while our government officials ignore the will of the people and do not represent us. I shed no tears when IRS workers die. I may make you sick, but people like you who remain in blissful ignorance to how corrupt and tyrannical our government has become make me sick too. So I guess we're even.
@tersaw1234 The amount of people who agree with this guy being a hero reflects how many idiots there are in this country....which contributes to the problems we have. Americans are brainwashed.
Seriously people... sometimes violence really is the answer. Politicians need bullets to scare them. This dude is a TRUE AMERICAN HERO. I wish I had the pair to take such galant action. He sent an ultra clear message to the powers that be.. we aren't gonna take it. It will be blown off as an "isolated incident" made by some nutjob. But wait and see. As the gov. makes our lives harder more people will take action.The irs is YOUR enemy.Yes even if you recieve handouts(welfare etc.)WAKE UP U.S.A.!
why is it if a white guy loads his plane with fuel and fly into an IRS bld its ok, no terrorism/ But if a Muslim is Falsely Accused of terrorism, ALL of US loose our right to Habeas Corpus and Posse Comitatus?? Why is that?
he had a fucking plane.. i don't know many people who are financially ruined and have planes at their disposal..he let his greed and lust for money drive him insane.
@ balanced death you are wrong.....just because you have a small airplane does not mean you are greedy and lust for money. You sound like a typical liberal. more people have expensive cars and Suv's , then people with small aircraft's.
The point balanced death was trying to make, and, try to follow along with me here, is that the guy could in one fashion or another afford an airplane. Now, I'm not sure what world you may live in, but last time I checked, no one who can afford such a thing, rent or own, is financially ruined. Fact is, this man was indeed a greedy, stupid fuck. If the IRS got his money, then he obviously did something to warrant that result. There's no heroism in what this guy did, only idiocy.
"If the IRS got his money, then he obviously did something to warrant that result."
Not everybody who gets reamed by the IRS are intentional tax cheats. If the IRS finds a problem with your taxes that spans back several years, you can expect to pay far more than if you had paid back then (well beyond inflation).
They can easily happen to good families.
You're assumption that if the IRS takes somebody's money then they obviously deserved it is sheepish mentality.
The simple fact is, the man was a piss poor manager of his money, if indeed that was his complaint (loosing money to the IRS). There is no way in hell that the IRS got ALL of his money without his own stupidity having been involved. Furthermore, being pissed off is no excuse for taking lives. As I said, I can only hope that if something like this happens again, your justification of this type of action is smashed by the loss of a loved one, DUE to this type of action.
@AndrewDeLong: It's not a simple matter of being angry, it's about not being stepped on.
If we would have followed your train of thought there would have been no American revolution to begin with. It happened because people were MAD at a government that walked on them. They were completely justified in taking lives back then.
Also, I don't have the specifics of this man's finances, so I'm not going to judge him as a 'piss poor manager of money'. IRS fees can be brutal and unexpected.
The difference between now and 234 years ago is that back then, tyranny couldn't be voted out or changed through peaceful means. Today, it can. Back then the cause was (among other things) to get representation. We have that today. Population and financial stressors are another issue.
This "hero" of yours only succeeded on two fronts: Ending 2 lives (his and one IRS worker) and making the tax payers front the bill for the property damaged he caused............
In effect this man made no difference in the larger scheme of things. Will his actions change US tax codes? No. Will his actions be repeated on mass scales? Most likely not. Will this even be remembered in a year's time? Nope
In all truth, anyone who manages a business, like this fool did, should be up and up on tax codes. Had he done that, there would have been no issue. He was nothing more than a poor manager on all counts, but just had to blame someone else for his own faults
By himself he makes no difference in the larger scheme of things, ONLY if nobody else follows suit.
I think we'll be seeing far more of this stuff as our economy crashes and our government expands.
As for blaming him, I call bullshit. Even the best of the best do not know our entire tax code. I dont see how you can blame this man when this can (and does) happen to pretty much anybody.
No, I don't think we'll see more idiots follow suit like this poor fool. His action is nothing more than a secluded incident. It changes nothing beyond calling for a few more tax payer dollars to fix the damage he rendered to the building.
Congratulations for supporting someone who just made the system you hate, take a little more money for themselves.
Even IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman recently confessed that our tax system is so complicated that even he has to pay somebody else to do it for him.
What is the purpose of such a complicated tax system? Its purposely made that way to make it exceedingly difficult not to make a mistake somewhere along the line so when the IRS comes in for one of their little shakedowns theyre going to find something to take.
Blaming somebody for messing up on their taxes without knowing the specifics of the case is idiotic. This man was targeted and destroyed by a system that shakes people down and steals from them.
If the man wanted to run a business then he should have educated himself on current tax codes. My father has started up a few business ventures in his life, each of which ran for a good 5 to 10 years a piece. Every time he made sure to know the tax codes in play. I wonder if that had anything to do with his NOT having IRS issues...hmmm...
This man was a poor manager who didn't properly educate himself where he apparently needed to, paid the price, and got pissed. Simple.
@AndrewDeLong: Get off your high horse. The IRS doesn't have the manpower to shake everybody down. They select and pick targets that they think they can get the most money out of.
The fact is there is NO LEGITIMATE reason for our tax system to be as complicated as it is. The only purpose of making our tax system so ridiculously complicated is for increased revenue from IRS shakedowns.
I am on no high horse. If the man had properly educated himself, or had hired a competent "tax person" to take care of such issues, the likelihood is that he would not have run into such financial distress.
I find that, by and large that those who have taken the time to inform or educate themselves in such arenas, usually don't run into trouble with something like the IRS. Poor management begets poor situations. This man is living--sorry--WAS living proof of that.
@AndrewDeLong: As I said before, the IRS will pick targets for audit that it can get the most money out of. No expert, no matter how good knows the entire tax code. It is easily possible to hire somebody and still make a mistake on your taxes. In fact, isn't there a member of the Obama administration that used that very excuse?
But yes, if you hire somebody your chances of getting screwed over by the IRS decrease because the IRS will be busy going after somebody who made more mistakes than you.
It's sort of like a pack of people running for their lives from a hungry bear. You only need to run faster than the slowest guy.
It doesn't make the system any less stupid and unnecessary.
True, but if everyone made less mistakes, penalties would also be less. Penalties quantify with the amount of mistakes made. Even in a simpler tax system, if someone made a mistake, there would still be a penalty. The fact of the matter is, if you don't take a preventative measure to avoid a possible issue, the issue will show up. In business ventures, taxes are a given issue. This man didn't take preventative steps, and paid (foolishly) with his life. A waste if I've ever seen one.
@AndrewDeLong: Even if he did hire somebody, he's dependent upon the person he hired. Is the person he hired infallible? Of course not. It's within the realm of possibility for that person to fuck up nearly as badly as he did. I'm sure there are cases where people have hired "professionals" and still got reamed by the IRS. It's no guarantee of immunity.
I hold that the logical reason for a tax system as complicated as ours is for shakedowns. They're looking for money, and they damn well going find it. If everybody flawlessly turned in their taxes they would just make it more complicated.
-and the biggest problem of this is the fact that the IRS doesn't just take the difference of their mistake factored with inflation. They take a whole lot more.
Yeah, people would make mistakes with a simple system, but a whole lot less people would make mistakes. There would be no need for the IRS, and there would be no need to hire people to do your taxes for you.
Now hold on there. Last year I claimed 1 (or exempt) on my taxes because I legally could. When I ended up owing at the end of the tax season, as I knew I would have to, I owed very little to federal, and much more to state (due to the fact that I changed to the exempt status halfway during the tax year...it made me owe less). I neglected to pay my state on time and, like any institution, owed a small % on top of my "bill." Fact is, I've been screwed over more by my credit card......
company due to a late bill than being late on my taxes. To emphasize how much so, I owed an additional 8% on top of my late taxes owed, and 26% on a late credit card bill. The taxes owed initially was $80.00(a small fee I know) and with the 8% it came to about $87.00
Conversely, I owed about $70.00 on a credit card bill once. I Payed ONE DAY LATE, ended up owing 26% interest & payed out nearly $88.00. So forgive me if I don't see TAX peanalties as the worst thing out there
Yes, mistakes could still be made with a hire tax professional. But it is still better than doing nothing at all. The fact is, even the IRS is willing to help people 9before hand) through the tax system. There are multitudes of preventative measures that could be taken.
As for the complexity of the tax system itself, I simply see it as modifications made without proper reformations, leading to complexity due to improper long term management. This doesn't make it impossible though.
"tyranny couldn't be voted out or changed through peaceful means. Today, it can."
That's just your opinion, and you're wrong. When the people vote for change they get the same old. Politicians lie to get elected, telling the people what they want to hear, then turn around and ignore the will of the people.
Voting is a joke in this country, it gives us the illusion that we have a say, but we don't anymore.
"If voting actually changed anything, it would be illegal"
No my friend. That's a blatant fucking truth. You can change things today through peaceful measures. The choice of candidates is more than just two people. I'm sorry if you don't take the time to delve further into the political process than what a rant by George Carlin or Lewis Black can provide you. Fact is, you're complaining about a system that you know little about, but will bitch about to high heaven.....
@AndrewDeLong: I probably know way more about our system than you. I know that real change will not happen within the system itself changing.
If you don't know that your politicians are bought out and corrupt then you're simply naive.
No shit the choice of candidates is more than just two people, I am, after all a libertarian. The fact is a republican or democrat will win the vast majority of the time, and *IF* that ever changed, then the corruption would just find a new home.
The simple fact is, few people realize that candidate choices go beyond 2 people. It is not some or any level of corruption that facilitates this, it is simply the ignorance of the American people.
Of course I know that politicians en mass scale today are bought and paid for. Of that I am well aware. But to claim that every person who gets a high ranking political position is corruptible is foolhardy.
Still, I see no proposed replacement system from you or any other complainer. Odd that.
@AndrewDeLong: Are you seriously saying that most people don't realize there are more than two candidates? That's utter rubbish. Most people are well aware of the existence of third party candidates, they're simply locked in the left/right paradigm - either because they think voting for a third party candidate would effectively throw their vote away, so they vote for the lesser evil, or they're simply tools who believe in the party.
In any case, be it ignorance of third, fourth, or nth party candidates, it is some level of ignorance that drives people not to vote beyond red or blue. as I recently stated, it is the ignorance of the American people, not corruption, that causes that.
sksakm, Republicans don't quote karl marx as Joseph Stack did in his Manifesto. He sounded more like Obama. A car can kill more ppl than a plane? You mean a car hitting the TWIn Towers could have killed more ppl? Hmm? Liberals rely more heavily on planes b/c they need them to fly in their cocaine from Colombia.
Our government is out of control and we need more people like Joesph Stack.
Perfect example... Times are hard and people are out of work, and more on the way. I own 3 houses and my tennents cant afford the rents or pay the rent late.
I find it harder and harder to make my mortgage payments.
But the tax just went up 25%!!!! 25%!!!!
Now I cant afford to keep my houses and will have to sell. FUCK our government!
We are seeing the same thing in our transportation business. Rates are going down, yet diesel fuel continues to climb ? Everyone is cutting back and doing more with less EXCEPT our Fucking Govmt. They continue to take more and more.
I think Obama put explosives at the base of the IRS building so he could invade Pakistan and Iran. Were is the video of the plane hitting the building? It was really a cruise missile. I saw it on 'loose change we can believe in' so it must be true. The news are part of the conspiracy and Obama controls them. Wake up sheeple!
To Tax the people is to destroy them... Who said that?
Anyways? Where is the body and where is the plane? Or is this is one of those magical moments that there are no bodies found or remains of the airplane.
I learned long ago that you can't destroy matter. You can only transform it. So where is it?
Where is the evidence? Who benefits?
Listen to the sheep below me saying, "We need plane control" = "take away more right so I can feel secure". How embarrassing!
Joseph Stack, I defecate on your "pound of flesh" and on your memory. Damn liberal extremists using planes to destroy Twin Towers now IRS building killing an innocent man. I wish all planes were banned. I don't believe that planes don't kill ppl that ppl kill ppl. If there were less planes there would be less violence.
This guy was an off the hinge prick who had rage issues. He owned a home a plane an auto... he wasn't destitute.The man who was murdered by this asshole was a vietnam vet with a supernice smile....my heart goes out to his family.
nice...i love this fucking greedy country,always in your pockets...the poor stay poor and the richer just live in paradize,i hope they crash planes in all these greedy bastrds home...fuck them all
Trust me Christatyou,you will be standing alone when the shit hits the fan.You have quite the CUNT mouth on you.You have no idea what freedom is or how to preserve it.You are just a loud mouth CUNT who supports socialism,and liberalism.The only thing you have is your big mouth.When it counts you'll run and hide and nobody will protect you,nobody will have you back.All you are is a rabbid CUNT DOG that needs to be put down.I am more American than you.What have you done for America you dumb CUNT!!
@bds1550 You do not love this great nation. Your anti-American spew proves it. Fuck you and all of your right-wing extremist terrorist wannabes. You dimwit redneck "patriots" (an oxymoron if there ever was one) are nothing more than America's very own version of the Taliban. Just remember, you're not the only ones with guns. There are plenty of armed citizens who stand with me ready to defend this great nation against radical America-hating right-wing extremist fruitcake terrorists like you.
chrisatyou i would read some history, most of the citizens of this country are content to believe the lies of tv and only concerned with what is on tv next week,
Christatyou@ Really read what George Washington our founding father said on political parties in his Farwell address. too long and too far has the ignorance spread of their evils, while I make no excuse for bush or chewy the democratic party is as guilty as them in dividing this great nation to the breaking point.
chrisatyou @ when will this start, when what almost happens again and the government will be powerless to stop it this time coming, why do you think they bailed out the bank, they knew the jig was up if we went into economic collapse 20-30 million people like me would hold them accountable but not by the laws they have so carefully constructed though perversion of the constitution.
chrisatyou@ Actually there is something very different Joe Stack was an American citizen,
i guess by your fucked up neo-con logic these men are too terrorist
George Washington , John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson For standing up for their freedom in the American revolutionary war the very freedom your stupid ass enjoys today with out them your ass would be kissing the queens ass paying 20x the taxes we pay now or the nazis would rule the world now.
chrisatyou@ The point is as Americans we have the right to stand up and say enough is enough, this is why our founders gave us guns and made sure the government would never have the power to take them away. I don't condone jack's actions however being the legalized bookie of the government and shaking down its citizens for the retirements and entire life's savings and much more isn't much better than what he did.
chrisatyou @ did he cheat on his taxes probably by their rules. dose that mean he should lose everything he owns, probably not just what he owes them minus the absurd fines these loan sharks extort out of the citizens, Let me end this by saying, when there system of lies and corruption comes falling down, I will be their with the same musket my ancestor used to win this counties freedom again. as they told us they knew it always happens.
@xiola6969 he did not "lose everything he owned," after all they let him keep his fucking PRIVATE PLANE, the one he used in his murderous terrorist rampage. Joe Stack's back wasn't against any all, he was living a comfortable life in a nice house and cheating on his taxes, before he went stark raving nuts.
I suggest you trade in that musket for a real weapon, you'll need it to defend your family when all these traitorous "patriot" right-wing extremist fruitcakes come crawling out of the woods.
Christatyou,I be suprised if you could hit a beer can with a gun let alone know which end the bullet comes out of."Get the fuck out of my country" you say? Those are fighting words cunt.I spent my time serving this country in combat so don't think you can threaten me and tell me to get the fuck out.When the going gets really tough you'll just lay there and bleed in a ball of your own guts just like the taliban,and the terrorist in Iraq.
@bds1550 if you really have combat experience, why the fuck couldn't you stop a bullet. Real heroes have to die while ignorant cunts like you get hard-ons from goose-stepping in uniform like the Nazi pigs you want to be. You sad pathetic cunt, you have *no right* to call yourself American based on the traitorous extremist slander you're spewing here. You fucking miserable piece of shit, learn to love this great nation or get the fuck out. Fuck you, you anti-American toothless redneck shit-stain.
Christtyiou,in typical liberally blind fasion you ignore the fact that most of the MUSLIM terrorists that attacked us in 2001were SAUDI people. Let's see how liberal you are when the gov't takes 90% of ever hard earned dollar you make and give it to themselves and redistribute it how they see fit. You liberal idiots are a dying breed.People like Hitler and Stalin would have loved to have had citizens like you back in the day.
bds1550, in typical conservative moronic fashion, you ignore the fact that most domestic terrorism in the US has been perpetrated by right-wing extremist nuts like Joe Stack and Tim McVeigh.
Your typical "me first, screw everybody else" mentality of entitlement that allowed those fascist pigs Cheney & Rove to damage this great nation through 8 years of that mumblefuck puppet Bush -- the closest we've ever come to a Nazi regime. Now the Republican party is tearing itself to shreds, thank God.
@chrisatyou, why are you liberal extremists (Al-Qaeda and Joseph Stack) and anti-capitalists and anti-Americans using planes to kill innocent ppl. All planes should be banned. We need plane control!
YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK INTO THE IRS PURCHASING 12-GAUGE SHOTS GUNS. WHY WOULD THE IRS NEED TO ACQUIRE SO MANY SHOTGUNS? DO WE NOT HAVE POLICE AND MILITARY THAT CAN PROTECT US? One side note the model that the IRS is acquiring have a 14 inch barrel. This model is illegal for civilians to posses! This is just in addition to the millions spent on hand guns and shotguns for there customer service representatives. Just something to think about. I support a nonviolent revolution. Love and Light
bds1550, Flying airplanes into buildings = terrorism. There is *absolutely no difference* between Joe Stack and Mohammed Atta. But of course, you can't see that because you're an ignorant Republican.
I have no problem with this tax evading social leech snuffing himself. One less teabagging conservative fuck-stick makes for a better America and more oxygen for me. The problem I have with is his domestic terrorist methodology. Why couldn't he snuff himself with a shotgun like a good Republican?
Christatyou,well from your words when we reach full on socialism in this country(and we will before its over) you will make a fine socialist slave. The gov't likes subserviant people like you,you'll be easier to deal with when the time comes.Good to know you stand with big brother. But I'd bet when the real serious shit hits the fan you'll be hiding yourself and your family behind a gun toting red blooded patriot like Joe Stack claiming you are on his side.
@bds1550, I am a gun owner and fully prepared to defend my family and deal with traitorous "patriot movement" scumbags like you when they trespass on my property.
Unlike you, I am proud to be an American. You and your fellow right-wing extremist toothless redneck morons should really get the fuck out of my country. You really should be locked up in Gitmo, you anti-American traitorous douchebag.
bds1550, you stupid toothless right-wing fascist moron, what you're saying is that you salute Mohammed Atta and the other terrorists who attacked the USA on 9/11. There is absolutely no difference between the domestic terrorism of this anti-American fuck-stick Joe Stack and the attacks of 9/11.
Flying airplanes into buildings = terrorism.
To draw any parallel between our nation's founding fathers and this teabagging nutcase simply demonstrates your total ignorance of US history. Fuck you.
Christayou=Blind liberal sheep who could not survive without the gov't taking from you and telling you what to do.There is a huge difference between Joe Stack and the Saudi's who attacked us.Joe fought tyranny within his own country,the Saudi's attacked us because the do not like our ideologies and our freedom.Big difference when a foreign group flies a plane into a building versus an American citizen standing up agaist big gov't.
I suppose all you liberal crybabies who think Mr. Stack is a terrorist would have said the same thing about our forefathers who fought the British for their freedom and for the free country we all now live in. Thomas Jefferson himself said that from time to time the tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots. I guess all you liberal socialists think Thomas Jefferson was anti-gov't and a terrorist also for speaking out that way. Looks like Stack watered that tree.
Joe Stack is a patriot and an American hero. At least he ha dthe balls to stand up for what's right. Our gov't only understands violence. Our gov't is deaf to the American people and our needs,so Joe made his vioce heard loud and clear. Thank God for YouTube,at least on here you get an honest view of how Americans feel one way or the other. The liberal socialt mainstream media would never interview someone who said Joe Stack was a hero,not politically correct. Right or wrong more of this to come
all that state of the art post 911 securities and patriot act goes down the drain with this one. that's one big shit got thrown a biden's fan this time.
last night on CNN, the heads of national security team ran a scenerio on what to do and what to tell the president in case of a large scenerio. the head of homeland said " It's better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission" that was referred to the people of the USA. after they trample your constitional rights!! Now where are the plane parts at the pentagon again?
So now it's cool to fly airplanes into buildings... how far we have come since 9/11. Mohammed Atta and his fellow terrorists are now vindicated by Joe Stack and all of you un-American scumbags who call this murderous asshole a "hero." You people are sick!
watch out for white men, they're all breaking down and will kill you at a moments notice, it's only going to get worse...Obama HAS to address these pieces of shit!!!!!!!
So are the sub prime real estate brokers. More people should fly their planes into the mortgage companies for all the foreclosures they issue. Let's start killing people who fuck with our money.
Jesus christ people this building was made differently than the twin towers you fucking retards IRS is made of bricks and steel twin towers sheet rock and steel bricks are harder to break than sheet rock you can bend sheet rock with your hands
reape1987 6 days ago
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Lol. Copycat. The Japanese are the real kamikazes with pearl harbor. The Arabs copied with 9/11, then this white guy copied with IRS
born912 4 months ago
hes a real american
thethinktankchannel 6 months ago
i wonder if that building collapsed....
doonymacc 7 months ago
@doonymacc it didnt ITS STILL STANDING BUT U ONLY SEE STEEL NO WINDOSE NO WOOD JUST STEEL
SUPERRTERGAMER1 7 months ago
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StaceyLeexoxo 9 months ago
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StaceyLeexoxo 9 months ago
This guy just did what many americans want to do when they are raped and heinously abused by those at the IRS who think they have no reason to be accountable for the horrors they place on taxpayers
twelveof13 10 months ago
Good thing the building across the street didn't collapse
shaunmason220 11 months ago
how come the fuel from the plane didnt make the building collaps LOLLOLOLOLOLO
marcusos1111 1 year ago
but.. it didn't collapse....
and a software engineer? couldn't he have made some sort of software, to do this..
ZachariahLogan 1 year ago
but.. it didn't collapse....
ZachariahLogan 1 year ago
@ZachariahLogan Because its not a skyscraper you idiot
RainbowManification 11 months ago
@RainbowManification assuming, I thought it was a skyscraper, would mean I would think really tall things are the only things that fall, hope ya don't trip, loser
ZachariahLogan 11 months ago
@ZachariahLogan trip on what, your log head?
RainbowManification 11 months ago
@RainbowManification duud, you just made an ass of yourself, XD
ZachariahLogan 11 months ago
@ZachariahLogan So, its the internet, I have anonymity, so who really cares. Also it still doesn't change the fact that this building isn't a sky scraper
RainbowManification 11 months ago
@RainbowManification anonymity? I'm sure the congressman thought the exact same thing. Loser, I never said it was a sky scraper, get some toilet paper, and stop typing like you don't clean your ass,
ZachariahLogan 11 months ago
@ZachariahLogan If your going to use that logic look at the pentagon, that didn't collapse did it?
RainbowManification 11 months ago
@RainbowManification ever hear of reinforced concrete beams? that's was the trick to that, the plane (therefore the wings) were traveling too fast, that they were ineffective against the re-enforced concrete.
ZachariahLogan 11 months ago
It is our government that are the terrorist any more. I am sure are going to see more and more of this the way they make laws that only benefit there selves. Our government has been self serving for a long, long time. People are finally getting to the point where enough is enough. It is sad that it has come to this.
slowmotion4x4 1 year ago
I hope more people come out of the woodwork and crash planes into ALL the IRS buildings.
cash442 1 year ago
that woman has an asain kid..... i wonder if the father is ahppy bout that..?!?!?!
hiphopmaster23 1 year ago
this man is a terrorist the end
duce8585 1 year ago
what a stupid report when people who are furious with the IRS crash their planes into building occupied by the IRS then it is definitely intentional. When that stupid bitch says disheartening it makes it sound like a mild inconvenience. The IRS makes mistakes and those mistakes "dishearten" people to the point of flying planes into their buildings. I love my country but the IRS has given up on separating right from wrong. I wouldn't piss on one of their phone monkeys if they were on fire.
TheBaconlaser 1 year ago
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it's the IRS. The pilot is a damm decent man. I promise you the IRS collection approach creates most of the terrorists out there. What the hell else can you do when the braindead IRS telephone employees waste your time but you still recognize the U.S as the leader of the free world and don't want to help a bunch of smelly Muslims. I've dealt with the IRS claiming I owed them thousands when they actually owed me a return. I love the U.S. but I'd spit in the face of any IRS mother fucker.
TheBaconlaser 1 year ago
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it's the IRS. The pilot is a damm decent man. I promise you the IRS collection approach creates most of the terrorists out there. What the hell else can you do when the braindead IRS telephone employees waste your time but you still recognize the U.S as the leader of the free world and don't want to help a bunch of smelly Muslims. I've dealt with the IRS claiming I owed them thousands when they actually owed me a return. I love the U.S. but I'd spit in the face of any IRS mother fucker.
TheBaconlaser 1 year ago
that bitch witht he asian kid lives down the street from me in the scofield neighborhood lawl
shushkabobs 1 year ago 2
Where's the hole from the plane?
ExoticGawdess 1 year ago
Why do I hear about this only now?
ExoticGawdess 1 year ago
@ExoticGawdess cuz a white guy did it so it aint a terrorist attack so theres no point a bringin it up
duce8585 1 year ago
@ExoticGawdess because the letter the man left exposes the fake institution we call our government.
on the up side lindsey lohans crack addiction and other non-important news make headlines.
shushkabobs 1 year ago
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Why do I only hear about this now?
ExoticGawdess 1 year ago
The U.S. Supreme Court is the court of last appeal. It's controlled by a Talmudist mentality. The Talmud tells followers to lie, cheat, steal and kill for personal profit. There will be no justice in the USA as long as these Talmudists in the Supreme Court are there. They must be impeached and/or arrested by military or citizen's arrest. Judge Scalia stated he holds the Jews' Talmud up as a higher law than the US Constitution- that's treason. 9 judges decided a case together. "9" means the end.
ExoticGawdess 1 year ago
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I thought New Physics requires tall structures to fall for any reason whatsoever. especially from hocus pocus.
ExoticGawdess 1 year ago
This reminds me of a comment made on 9/11.
One from an actor who was paid to say, "The building collapsed from intense heat and structural pressure."
So, why is this Austin building still standing? I though New Physics requires tall structures to fall for any reason whatsoever. especially from hocus pocus.
ExoticGawdess 1 year ago
Holy shit there are a lot of people on this page that support this guy. Too bad none of you have any balls like him
thelivingfire 1 year ago
@thelivingfire Joe found a outside the box solution to solve his tax problems,hopefully the Internal revenue service will catch on to this hint. The service needs improvement. Tim Mc Veigh would be proud
bevisdoesntsuck 1 year ago
What's really heartbreaking is that he could only do it to ONE building. A true American Hero! (Yes, I realize that the Mother Fucking Homeland Security Jewish Pricks are checking my IP Address right now-Fuck all of you pricks!)
USStateSponTerrorism 1 year ago
Log on InstantRipoffserviceDOTcom to voice your frustrations on the IRS with a T-Shirt
InstantRipOffService 1 year ago
Someone got fed up of calling and getting no response ;-). Reminds me of the customer service lines that offer no resolution most of the time! While reading an article, I realized that this man had plenty of issues with the IRS before he attempted to take matters into his own hand. He stood up for what he believed in! What makes him less of a hero than a soldier? We all know that innocent people die all the time and it's not just in America but people throughout the world.
jperez2010 1 year ago
Um...America is a fucking police state with business and government giving each other reach arounds at the working class' expense. What the fuck did you expect was going to happen. Yeah I'll go and talk to my representative about my problems he'll understand and stand up to big business. Are you retarded? The only reason we are even having this discussion is because of what he did. Do you not see the irony in that. Probably not - Dumb Americans. Fuel another war. Imperialist shits.
jwalker1495 1 year ago 2
Thomas Jefferson would salute this man.
RastafariPoet 1 year ago 9
@RastafariPoet he was inspired by me.
ENDUSANOW 1 year ago
@RastafariPoet He would salute a man who flew his plane into an IRS building killing multiple innocent people who had nothing to do with the injustice of the system, but wouldn't salute 16 muslim extremist who flew 4 hijacked commercial airliners into 3 buildings and 1 went into the ground with the intent of striking the white house, and killed 2,986 people?
RainbowManification 11 months ago
@RainbowManification
What can ya do?
RastafariPoet 11 months ago
@RastafariPoet Jefferson disliked too much government intrusion but he wasn't a kook and certainly would have trialed and hung this traitor right on main street square.
Somai82 4 months ago
@RastafariPoet lol u took the words out of my mouth dude...the taxes in this country is just ridiculous...frustrating...he did die a hero...its just too stupid the media doesn't realize it
princeofdarknessxyz1 1 month ago
This is heartbreaking. I might be speculating here, but I'll bet Joseph Stack truly loves his country and would do just about anything to defend it, but his country just didn't care for him and his financial plight by burying him with draconian and burdensome taxes for no good reason.
I don't condone his actions; a lot of innocent people could have been hurt or worse, but I understand his bitterness.
krislyttle 1 year ago
He is Not a hero he will never be a hero he a white superemacy. Killing someone just because your mad. Burn in HELL
Andycards 1 year ago
@Andycards A hero is someone that fights for what he believes is right and he believed that every day our country is turning into a police state where the government gets away with a lof of BS. He was a true martyr in my book.
BluePitNose 1 year ago
@BluePitNose Then you must also think those behind the 9/11 attacks are true martyrs too. Since there are many out there that believe you are wrong, would it be right for them to walk into your family home and blow themselves up just to show they don't like you?
zentner18 1 year ago
@BluePitNoseThen you must also think those behind the 9/11 attacks are true martyrs too. Since there are many out there that believe you are wrong, would it be right for them to walk into your family home and blow themselves up just to show they don't like you?
zentner18 1 year ago
There are options for dealing with the IRS - it didn't have to be this way.
jkharris07 1 year ago
Fake
MuammarAlGathafi 1 year ago
R.I.P to that guy god bless him....
Fuck the IRS fucking criminals
Harlem150 1 year ago
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Ovito85 all the people praising this man, I hope an AMERICAN not a TALIBAN but AMERICAN rams a plane into a building and one of your family members are in the building, lets see how much you like this garbage then. Fucking idiots! Americans should not be doing this crazy shit you ignorant assholes! 19 hours ago
Ovito85 1 year ago
This man was a terrorist plain and simple. And the man he killed is the real hero. He served his country during war time and continued in federal service after that. It is not the IRS that makes the tax laws, that is done by Congress. And if you properly file and pay your taxes in the first place the IRS wouldn't have to try to collect from you. All they do is make sure everyone pays what they owe, but if you try to be sneaky, penalties can attach.
zentner18 1 year ago
Well, you can only treat people like shit for so long.....fuck big brother!!!!!!!!!!!!
777Finster 1 year ago 3
the system is designed to cause pain because there is' no gain without pain'.
How did you think the system works? Something for nothing?
Normally the crooks expect the sufferee to beat their wife or kids due to the frustration but this guy was smart and see the root that needed to be hit.
martyr
cjellwood 1 year ago 2
The BATF and IRS are scum. This man couldn't have picked a better target.
pandagenocide 1 year ago
There needs to be a big refresh button on our way of doing things in this country. This current system and in the past only benefits the rich. As we continue to see the destruction of our constitution and the destruction of the middle class, expect to see more uprsings against this system which poses a threat to our so called democracy...
Ur2ez4me81 1 year ago
I'm so glad we created an entire new division for home land security, and have the FBI and the CIA working for the American people because otherwise we might have people flying their planes into American buildings.
mirsaes 1 year ago
There is a celebration to be done here. I want to dance on the grave of this IRS douche bag who died and give to middle fingers to his wife. Her grief is a reason to lift of a toast.
surf4food 1 year ago
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This man was a true hero who gave his life fighting tyranny you bet whats next? Im still heathly
dimepicker 1 year ago
This man was a true hero who gave his life fighting tyranny.
freethinker77 1 year ago 3
@freethinker77 this man is not a hero. he killed an innocent man for nothing. He had a good life, a lot better than many people. How bad could his life be if he could buy all those guitars, own a home, and a PLANE. I hope he burns in hell. And you should be ashamed for calling him a hero. you make me sick.
tersaw1234 1 year ago
@tersaw1234
He's a hero.
RastafariPoet 1 year ago 20
@RastafariPoet hes he is
karlmarx2010 1 year ago
@RastafariPoet He could not of selected a more appropriate target
bevisdoesntsuck 1 year ago
@RastafariPoet If he is a hero, then so were the people behind the 9/11 attacks. Which means you are someone that thinks killing people you don't agree with is a good thing.
zentner18 1 year ago
@zentner18
Its natural, I don't wish death on any innocent being. However, when the American people are mad. Then something is wrong. Things like this happen. People are losing their jobs & the IRS Still wants money collected. "Money now, Food later!" would be their motto. If they'd stop sending Israel so much of it, possibly we wouldnt be as mad.
RastafariPoet 1 year ago
@zentner18
You don't understand who did the 9/11 attacks or why they did them.
The Zionist bankers masterminded the 9/11 attacks to enslave you. They will kill just to rob you or for the fun of it once they form their 1-world government. They have no respect for human life. They will tell Jews to switch to another religion and then kill them too.
Zionists see themselves as superhuman special beings, not human beings. They did 9/11 to rob citizens.
Who knows what really happened in Austin.
ExoticGawdess 1 year ago
@ExoticGawdess Someone needs a stiff drink and some good ol' fuckin'....calm down asshole.
misterwhitefolkz 1 year ago
@RastafariPoet do you know what the government did to him? "free trade & freedom for all" they messed up his computer business, he was bankrupt & they demanded a lot of taxes to be paid. Bad accountant? but what angered him the most was to lose his life savings because the fake-fraud USA that claimed to be fair & just skrewed him & his business because frankly only big corporations are allowed to survive in a competitive fascist USA environment while small ma & pa stores are run out of business.
ENDUSANOW 1 year ago
@RastafariPoet And you are an idiot.
wojtek0000 9 months ago
@wojtek0000
And you care what I said 11 months ago. We're even LoL
RastafariPoet 9 months ago
@wojtek0000 UMAD?
DaGrimReaperIl 8 months ago
@tersaw1234: You cannot be both innocent and knowingly work for a corrupt system. The job of IRS workers is to steal excessive amounts of money from the people of the United States - while our government officials ignore the will of the people and do not represent us. I shed no tears when IRS workers die. I may make you sick, but people like you who remain in blissful ignorance to how corrupt and tyrannical our government has become make me sick too. So I guess we're even.
freethinker77 1 year ago
@tersaw1234 The amount of people who agree with this guy being a hero reflects how many idiots there are in this country....which contributes to the problems we have. Americans are brainwashed.
wojtek0000 8 months ago
American hero
AmericanKampf 1 year ago
Hahaha dude went out like a BALLER!!!
AvatarOfAvatar 1 year ago
Seriously people... sometimes violence really is the answer. Politicians need bullets to scare them. This dude is a TRUE AMERICAN HERO. I wish I had the pair to take such galant action. He sent an ultra clear message to the powers that be.. we aren't gonna take it. It will be blown off as an "isolated incident" made by some nutjob. But wait and see. As the gov. makes our lives harder more people will take action.The irs is YOUR enemy.Yes even if you recieve handouts(welfare etc.)WAKE UP U.S.A.!
BenEC78 1 year ago
A real american hero
MegaBallz714 1 year ago 2
why is it if a white guy loads his plane with fuel and fly into an IRS bld its ok, no terrorism/ But if a Muslim is Falsely Accused of terrorism, ALL of US loose our right to Habeas Corpus and Posse Comitatus?? Why is that?
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago 2
our bus drove right by it it shmelled like b-b-q YUM!!!
RazinDawg 1 year ago
he had a fucking plane.. i don't know many people who are financially ruined and have planes at their disposal..he let his greed and lust for money drive him insane.
balancedeath 1 year ago
@ balanced death you are wrong.....just because you have a small airplane does not mean you are greedy and lust for money. You sound like a typical liberal. more people have expensive cars and Suv's , then people with small aircraft's.
MrWorldbefree 1 year ago 2
@MrWorldbefree your'e funny
balancedeath 1 year ago
@MrWorldbefree
The point balanced death was trying to make, and, try to follow along with me here, is that the guy could in one fashion or another afford an airplane. Now, I'm not sure what world you may live in, but last time I checked, no one who can afford such a thing, rent or own, is financially ruined. Fact is, this man was indeed a greedy, stupid fuck. If the IRS got his money, then he obviously did something to warrant that result. There's no heroism in what this guy did, only idiocy.
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
"If the IRS got his money, then he obviously did something to warrant that result."
Not everybody who gets reamed by the IRS are intentional tax cheats. If the IRS finds a problem with your taxes that spans back several years, you can expect to pay far more than if you had paid back then (well beyond inflation).
They can easily happen to good families.
You're assumption that if the IRS takes somebody's money then they obviously deserved it is sheepish mentality.
AnduinX 1 year ago 2
@AnduinX
The simple fact is, the man was a piss poor manager of his money, if indeed that was his complaint (loosing money to the IRS). There is no way in hell that the IRS got ALL of his money without his own stupidity having been involved. Furthermore, being pissed off is no excuse for taking lives. As I said, I can only hope that if something like this happens again, your justification of this type of action is smashed by the loss of a loved one, DUE to this type of action.
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
@AndrewDeLong: It's not a simple matter of being angry, it's about not being stepped on.
If we would have followed your train of thought there would have been no American revolution to begin with. It happened because people were MAD at a government that walked on them. They were completely justified in taking lives back then.
Also, I don't have the specifics of this man's finances, so I'm not going to judge him as a 'piss poor manager of money'. IRS fees can be brutal and unexpected.
AnduinX 1 year ago 2
@AnduinX
Where do I begin...
The difference between now and 234 years ago is that back then, tyranny couldn't be voted out or changed through peaceful means. Today, it can. Back then the cause was (among other things) to get representation. We have that today. Population and financial stressors are another issue.
This "hero" of yours only succeeded on two fronts: Ending 2 lives (his and one IRS worker) and making the tax payers front the bill for the property damaged he caused............
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
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In effect this man made no difference in the larger scheme of things. Will his actions change US tax codes? No. Will his actions be repeated on mass scales? Most likely not. Will this even be remembered in a year's time? Nope
In all truth, anyone who manages a business, like this fool did, should be up and up on tax codes. Had he done that, there would have been no issue. He was nothing more than a poor manager on all counts, but just had to blame someone else for his own faults
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
By himself he makes no difference in the larger scheme of things, ONLY if nobody else follows suit.
I think we'll be seeing far more of this stuff as our economy crashes and our government expands.
As for blaming him, I call bullshit. Even the best of the best do not know our entire tax code. I dont see how you can blame this man when this can (and does) happen to pretty much anybody.
AnduinX 1 year ago 2
@AnduinX
No, I don't think we'll see more idiots follow suit like this poor fool. His action is nothing more than a secluded incident. It changes nothing beyond calling for a few more tax payer dollars to fix the damage he rendered to the building.
Congratulations for supporting someone who just made the system you hate, take a little more money for themselves.
The pride you must feel at that realization....
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
Even IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman recently confessed that our tax system is so complicated that even he has to pay somebody else to do it for him.
What is the purpose of such a complicated tax system? Its purposely made that way to make it exceedingly difficult not to make a mistake somewhere along the line so when the IRS comes in for one of their little shakedowns theyre going to find something to take.
AnduinX 1 year ago 2
Blaming somebody for messing up on their taxes without knowing the specifics of the case is idiotic. This man was targeted and destroyed by a system that shakes people down and steals from them.
AnduinX 1 year ago 2
@AnduinX
If the man wanted to run a business then he should have educated himself on current tax codes. My father has started up a few business ventures in his life, each of which ran for a good 5 to 10 years a piece. Every time he made sure to know the tax codes in play. I wonder if that had anything to do with his NOT having IRS issues...hmmm...
This man was a poor manager who didn't properly educate himself where he apparently needed to, paid the price, and got pissed. Simple.
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
@AndrewDeLong: Get off your high horse. The IRS doesn't have the manpower to shake everybody down. They select and pick targets that they think they can get the most money out of.
The fact is there is NO LEGITIMATE reason for our tax system to be as complicated as it is. The only purpose of making our tax system so ridiculously complicated is for increased revenue from IRS shakedowns.
AnduinX 1 year ago
@AnduinX
I am on no high horse. If the man had properly educated himself, or had hired a competent "tax person" to take care of such issues, the likelihood is that he would not have run into such financial distress.
I find that, by and large that those who have taken the time to inform or educate themselves in such arenas, usually don't run into trouble with something like the IRS. Poor management begets poor situations. This man is living--sorry--WAS living proof of that.
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
@AndrewDeLong: As I said before, the IRS will pick targets for audit that it can get the most money out of. No expert, no matter how good knows the entire tax code. It is easily possible to hire somebody and still make a mistake on your taxes. In fact, isn't there a member of the Obama administration that used that very excuse?
AnduinX 1 year ago
But yes, if you hire somebody your chances of getting screwed over by the IRS decrease because the IRS will be busy going after somebody who made more mistakes than you.
It's sort of like a pack of people running for their lives from a hungry bear. You only need to run faster than the slowest guy.
It doesn't make the system any less stupid and unnecessary.
AnduinX 1 year ago
True, but if everyone made less mistakes, penalties would also be less. Penalties quantify with the amount of mistakes made. Even in a simpler tax system, if someone made a mistake, there would still be a penalty. The fact of the matter is, if you don't take a preventative measure to avoid a possible issue, the issue will show up. In business ventures, taxes are a given issue. This man didn't take preventative steps, and paid (foolishly) with his life. A waste if I've ever seen one.
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
@AndrewDeLong: Even if he did hire somebody, he's dependent upon the person he hired. Is the person he hired infallible? Of course not. It's within the realm of possibility for that person to fuck up nearly as badly as he did. I'm sure there are cases where people have hired "professionals" and still got reamed by the IRS. It's no guarantee of immunity.
AnduinX 1 year ago
I hold that the logical reason for a tax system as complicated as ours is for shakedowns. They're looking for money, and they damn well going find it. If everybody flawlessly turned in their taxes they would just make it more complicated.
-and the biggest problem of this is the fact that the IRS doesn't just take the difference of their mistake factored with inflation. They take a whole lot more.
AnduinX 1 year ago
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They charge additional interest and fees which can make small problems turn into very big problems.
What is the purpose of this? Why can't they just take what they were owed? Why do they have to destroy people?
Because they're out for blood, plain and simple.
AnduinX 1 year ago
Yeah, people would make mistakes with a simple system, but a whole lot less people would make mistakes. There would be no need for the IRS, and there would be no need to hire people to do your taxes for you.
AnduinX 1 year ago
Now hold on there. Last year I claimed 1 (or exempt) on my taxes because I legally could. When I ended up owing at the end of the tax season, as I knew I would have to, I owed very little to federal, and much more to state (due to the fact that I changed to the exempt status halfway during the tax year...it made me owe less). I neglected to pay my state on time and, like any institution, owed a small % on top of my "bill." Fact is, I've been screwed over more by my credit card......
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
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company due to a late bill than being late on my taxes. To emphasize how much so, I owed an additional 8% on top of my late taxes owed, and 26% on a late credit card bill. The taxes owed initially was $80.00(a small fee I know) and with the 8% it came to about $87.00
Conversely, I owed about $70.00 on a credit card bill once. I Payed ONE DAY LATE, ended up owing 26% interest & payed out nearly $88.00. So forgive me if I don't see TAX peanalties as the worst thing out there
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
Yes, mistakes could still be made with a hire tax professional. But it is still better than doing nothing at all. The fact is, even the IRS is willing to help people 9before hand) through the tax system. There are multitudes of preventative measures that could be taken.
As for the complexity of the tax system itself, I simply see it as modifications made without proper reformations, leading to complexity due to improper long term management. This doesn't make it impossible though.
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
@AndrewDeLong
"tyranny couldn't be voted out or changed through peaceful means. Today, it can."
That's just your opinion, and you're wrong. When the people vote for change they get the same old. Politicians lie to get elected, telling the people what they want to hear, then turn around and ignore the will of the people.
Voting is a joke in this country, it gives us the illusion that we have a say, but we don't anymore.
"If voting actually changed anything, it would be illegal"
AnduinX 1 year ago 2
@AnduinX
"That's just your opinion, and you're wrong"
No my friend. That's a blatant fucking truth. You can change things today through peaceful measures. The choice of candidates is more than just two people. I'm sorry if you don't take the time to delve further into the political process than what a rant by George Carlin or Lewis Black can provide you. Fact is, you're complaining about a system that you know little about, but will bitch about to high heaven.....
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
@AndrewDeLong: I probably know way more about our system than you. I know that real change will not happen within the system itself changing.
If you don't know that your politicians are bought out and corrupt then you're simply naive.
No shit the choice of candidates is more than just two people, I am, after all a libertarian. The fact is a republican or democrat will win the vast majority of the time, and *IF* that ever changed, then the corruption would just find a new home.
AnduinX 1 year ago 2
The simple fact is, few people realize that candidate choices go beyond 2 people. It is not some or any level of corruption that facilitates this, it is simply the ignorance of the American people.
Of course I know that politicians en mass scale today are bought and paid for. Of that I am well aware. But to claim that every person who gets a high ranking political position is corruptible is foolhardy.
Still, I see no proposed replacement system from you or any other complainer. Odd that.
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
@AndrewDeLong: Are you seriously saying that most people don't realize there are more than two candidates? That's utter rubbish. Most people are well aware of the existence of third party candidates, they're simply locked in the left/right paradigm - either because they think voting for a third party candidate would effectively throw their vote away, so they vote for the lesser evil, or they're simply tools who believe in the party.
AnduinX 1 year ago
@AnduinX
In any case, be it ignorance of third, fourth, or nth party candidates, it is some level of ignorance that drives people not to vote beyond red or blue. as I recently stated, it is the ignorance of the American people, not corruption, that causes that.
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
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"Still, I see no proposed replacement system from you or any other complainer. Odd that."
My proposed replacement for our tax system is a simple, flat sales tax, which would more than enough to fund a small government.
AnduinX 1 year ago
sksakm, Republicans don't quote karl marx as Joseph Stack did in his Manifesto. He sounded more like Obama. A car can kill more ppl than a plane? You mean a car hitting the TWIn Towers could have killed more ppl? Hmm? Liberals rely more heavily on planes b/c they need them to fly in their cocaine from Colombia.
beefnliver 1 year ago
yeah!!! show people how u feel
TheArea510 1 year ago
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thephilly18 1 year ago
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This is not the same as a terrorist attack, Just because 9-11 was.
If you go kill somebody it is murder.
If you join the army and kill someone, is it still called murder or is it called fighting for your country?
Well, Joseph Stack is a man that died for his country. It is NOT a terrorist act.
Our government is out of control!
brklynmd3 1 year ago
A big THANK YOU to Joseph Stack.
Our government is out of control and we need more people like Joesph Stack.
Perfect example... Times are hard and people are out of work, and more on the way. I own 3 houses and my tennents cant afford the rents or pay the rent late.
I find it harder and harder to make my mortgage payments.
But the tax just went up 25%!!!! 25%!!!!
Now I cant afford to keep my houses and will have to sell. FUCK our government!
Something has got to pop sooner than later.
brklynmd3 1 year ago 3
We are seeing the same thing in our transportation business. Rates are going down, yet diesel fuel continues to climb ? Everyone is cutting back and doing more with less EXCEPT our Fucking Govmt. They continue to take more and more.
Tomme9 1 year ago
I think Obama put explosives at the base of the IRS building so he could invade Pakistan and Iran. Were is the video of the plane hitting the building? It was really a cruise missile. I saw it on 'loose change we can believe in' so it must be true. The news are part of the conspiracy and Obama controls them. Wake up sheeple!
Rompcom 1 year ago
To Tax the people is to destroy them... Who said that?
Anyways? Where is the body and where is the plane? Or is this is one of those magical moments that there are no bodies found or remains of the airplane.
I learned long ago that you can't destroy matter. You can only transform it. So where is it?
Where is the evidence? Who benefits?
Listen to the sheep below me saying, "We need plane control" = "take away more right so I can feel secure". How embarrassing!
mercurio0000 1 year ago 3
Joseph Stack, I defecate on your "pound of flesh" and on your memory. Damn liberal extremists using planes to destroy Twin Towers now IRS building killing an innocent man. I wish all planes were banned. I don't believe that planes don't kill ppl that ppl kill ppl. If there were less planes there would be less violence.
beefnliver 1 year ago
This guy was an off the hinge prick who had rage issues. He owned a home a plane an auto... he wasn't destitute.The man who was murdered by this asshole was a vietnam vet with a supernice smile....my heart goes out to his family.
screamtherapy2010 1 year ago
nice...i love this fucking greedy country,always in your pockets...the poor stay poor and the richer just live in paradize,i hope they crash planes in all these greedy bastrds home...fuck them all
tiratiro1 1 year ago
Obama knew . . .
dpmarty007 1 year ago
Trust me Christatyou,you will be standing alone when the shit hits the fan.You have quite the CUNT mouth on you.You have no idea what freedom is or how to preserve it.You are just a loud mouth CUNT who supports socialism,and liberalism.The only thing you have is your big mouth.When it counts you'll run and hide and nobody will protect you,nobody will have you back.All you are is a rabbid CUNT DOG that needs to be put down.I am more American than you.What have you done for America you dumb CUNT!!
bds1550 1 year ago
I love my country,I fear my gov't.
bds1550 1 year ago 2
@bds1550 You do not love this great nation. Your anti-American spew proves it. Fuck you and all of your right-wing extremist terrorist wannabes. You dimwit redneck "patriots" (an oxymoron if there ever was one) are nothing more than America's very own version of the Taliban. Just remember, you're not the only ones with guns. There are plenty of armed citizens who stand with me ready to defend this great nation against radical America-hating right-wing extremist fruitcake terrorists like you.
chrisatyou 1 year ago
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chrisatyou i would read some history, most of the citizens of this country are content to believe the lies of tv and only concerned with what is on tv next week,
xiola6969 1 year ago
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xiola6969 1 year ago
Christatyou@ Really read what George Washington our founding father said on political parties in his Farwell address. too long and too far has the ignorance spread of their evils, while I make no excuse for bush or chewy the democratic party is as guilty as them in dividing this great nation to the breaking point.
xiola6969 1 year ago 2
chrisatyou @ when will this start, when what almost happens again and the government will be powerless to stop it this time coming, why do you think they bailed out the bank, they knew the jig was up if we went into economic collapse 20-30 million people like me would hold them accountable but not by the laws they have so carefully constructed though perversion of the constitution.
xiola6969 1 year ago 2
chrisatyou @ Flying airplanes into buildings = terrorism. There is *absolutely no difference* between Joe Stack and Mohammed Atta.
xiola6969 1 year ago
chrisatyou@ Actually there is something very different Joe Stack was an American citizen,
i guess by your fucked up neo-con logic these men are too terrorist
George Washington , John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson For standing up for their freedom in the American revolutionary war the very freedom your stupid ass enjoys today with out them your ass would be kissing the queens ass paying 20x the taxes we pay now or the nazis would rule the world now.
xiola6969 1 year ago
chrisatyou@ The point is as Americans we have the right to stand up and say enough is enough, this is why our founders gave us guns and made sure the government would never have the power to take them away. I don't condone jack's actions however being the legalized bookie of the government and shaking down its citizens for the retirements and entire life's savings and much more isn't much better than what he did.
xiola6969 1 year ago
chrisatyou @ did he cheat on his taxes probably by their rules. dose that mean he should lose everything he owns, probably not just what he owes them minus the absurd fines these loan sharks extort out of the citizens, Let me end this by saying, when there system of lies and corruption comes falling down, I will be their with the same musket my ancestor used to win this counties freedom again. as they told us they knew it always happens.
xiola6969 1 year ago
@xiola6969 he did not "lose everything he owned," after all they let him keep his fucking PRIVATE PLANE, the one he used in his murderous terrorist rampage. Joe Stack's back wasn't against any all, he was living a comfortable life in a nice house and cheating on his taxes, before he went stark raving nuts.
I suggest you trade in that musket for a real weapon, you'll need it to defend your family when all these traitorous "patriot" right-wing extremist fruitcakes come crawling out of the woods.
chrisatyou 1 year ago
Christatyou,I be suprised if you could hit a beer can with a gun let alone know which end the bullet comes out of."Get the fuck out of my country" you say? Those are fighting words cunt.I spent my time serving this country in combat so don't think you can threaten me and tell me to get the fuck out.When the going gets really tough you'll just lay there and bleed in a ball of your own guts just like the taliban,and the terrorist in Iraq.
bds1550 1 year ago
@bds1550 if you really have combat experience, why the fuck couldn't you stop a bullet. Real heroes have to die while ignorant cunts like you get hard-ons from goose-stepping in uniform like the Nazi pigs you want to be. You sad pathetic cunt, you have *no right* to call yourself American based on the traitorous extremist slander you're spewing here. You fucking miserable piece of shit, learn to love this great nation or get the fuck out. Fuck you, you anti-American toothless redneck shit-stain.
chrisatyou 1 year ago
Christtyiou,in typical liberally blind fasion you ignore the fact that most of the MUSLIM terrorists that attacked us in 2001were SAUDI people. Let's see how liberal you are when the gov't takes 90% of ever hard earned dollar you make and give it to themselves and redistribute it how they see fit. You liberal idiots are a dying breed.People like Hitler and Stalin would have loved to have had citizens like you back in the day.
bds1550 1 year ago
bds1550, in typical conservative moronic fashion, you ignore the fact that most domestic terrorism in the US has been perpetrated by right-wing extremist nuts like Joe Stack and Tim McVeigh.
Your typical "me first, screw everybody else" mentality of entitlement that allowed those fascist pigs Cheney & Rove to damage this great nation through 8 years of that mumblefuck puppet Bush -- the closest we've ever come to a Nazi regime. Now the Republican party is tearing itself to shreds, thank God.
chrisatyou 1 year ago
Christatyou,stupid hurts don't it?
bds1550 1 year ago
@chrisatyou, why are you liberal extremists (Al-Qaeda and Joseph Stack) and anti-capitalists and anti-Americans using planes to kill innocent ppl. All planes should be banned. We need plane control!
beefnliver 1 year ago
"FREEDOM"S JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR NOTHING LEFT TO LOOSE" janis jop
tyhnbgtyhnbgt 1 year ago
YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK INTO THE IRS PURCHASING 12-GAUGE SHOTS GUNS. WHY WOULD THE IRS NEED TO ACQUIRE SO MANY SHOTGUNS? DO WE NOT HAVE POLICE AND MILITARY THAT CAN PROTECT US? One side note the model that the IRS is acquiring have a 14 inch barrel. This model is illegal for civilians to posses! This is just in addition to the millions spent on hand guns and shotguns for there customer service representatives. Just something to think about. I support a nonviolent revolution. Love and Light
irojioqopiewjr 1 year ago
bds1550, Flying airplanes into buildings = terrorism. There is *absolutely no difference* between Joe Stack and Mohammed Atta. But of course, you can't see that because you're an ignorant Republican.
I have no problem with this tax evading social leech snuffing himself. One less teabagging conservative fuck-stick makes for a better America and more oxygen for me. The problem I have with is his domestic terrorist methodology. Why couldn't he snuff himself with a shotgun like a good Republican?
chrisatyou 1 year ago
Christatyou,well from your words when we reach full on socialism in this country(and we will before its over) you will make a fine socialist slave. The gov't likes subserviant people like you,you'll be easier to deal with when the time comes.Good to know you stand with big brother. But I'd bet when the real serious shit hits the fan you'll be hiding yourself and your family behind a gun toting red blooded patriot like Joe Stack claiming you are on his side.
bds1550 1 year ago
@bds1550, I am a gun owner and fully prepared to defend my family and deal with traitorous "patriot movement" scumbags like you when they trespass on my property.
Unlike you, I am proud to be an American. You and your fellow right-wing extremist toothless redneck morons should really get the fuck out of my country. You really should be locked up in Gitmo, you anti-American traitorous douchebag.
chrisatyou 1 year ago
after 2 retirements gone, all he could pay was a pound of flesh!!! burger king style!!! flame broiled!!
tyhnbgtyhnbgt 1 year ago
bds1550, you stupid toothless right-wing fascist moron, what you're saying is that you salute Mohammed Atta and the other terrorists who attacked the USA on 9/11. There is absolutely no difference between the domestic terrorism of this anti-American fuck-stick Joe Stack and the attacks of 9/11.
Flying airplanes into buildings = terrorism.
To draw any parallel between our nation's founding fathers and this teabagging nutcase simply demonstrates your total ignorance of US history. Fuck you.
chrisatyou 1 year ago
Christayou=Blind liberal sheep who could not survive without the gov't taking from you and telling you what to do.There is a huge difference between Joe Stack and the Saudi's who attacked us.Joe fought tyranny within his own country,the Saudi's attacked us because the do not like our ideologies and our freedom.Big difference when a foreign group flies a plane into a building versus an American citizen standing up agaist big gov't.
bds1550 1 year ago
I saw the building yesterday.
BKFan342 1 year ago
I suppose all you liberal crybabies who think Mr. Stack is a terrorist would have said the same thing about our forefathers who fought the British for their freedom and for the free country we all now live in. Thomas Jefferson himself said that from time to time the tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots. I guess all you liberal socialists think Thomas Jefferson was anti-gov't and a terrorist also for speaking out that way. Looks like Stack watered that tree.
bds1550 1 year ago
Joe Stack is a patriot and an American hero. At least he ha dthe balls to stand up for what's right. Our gov't only understands violence. Our gov't is deaf to the American people and our needs,so Joe made his vioce heard loud and clear. Thank God for YouTube,at least on here you get an honest view of how Americans feel one way or the other. The liberal socialt mainstream media would never interview someone who said Joe Stack was a hero,not politically correct. Right or wrong more of this to come
bds1550 1 year ago
all that state of the art post 911 securities and patriot act goes down the drain with this one. that's one big shit got thrown a biden's fan this time.
darthrage84 1 year ago
last night on CNN, the heads of national security team ran a scenerio on what to do and what to tell the president in case of a large scenerio. the head of homeland said " It's better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission" that was referred to the people of the USA. after they trample your constitional rights!! Now where are the plane parts at the pentagon again?
tyhnbgtyhnbgt 1 year ago
ask your doctor if Paxil is right for you.
Rompcom 1 year ago
So now it's cool to fly airplanes into buildings... how far we have come since 9/11. Mohammed Atta and his fellow terrorists are now vindicated by Joe Stack and all of you un-American scumbags who call this murderous asshole a "hero." You people are sick!
chrisatyou 1 year ago
Pay your taxes slave and shut up!!!
bds1550 1 year ago
watch out for white men, they're all breaking down and will kill you at a moments notice, it's only going to get worse...Obama HAS to address these pieces of shit!!!!!!!
slickkapone 1 year ago
This man is a hero. Think about all of the pain the IRS has caused americans. What he did was only a small drop in the bucket to what they deserve.
Punchatori 1 year ago
"national transportation safety board has not determined if the crash was intentional"?!?!
doc7474 1 year ago
Hey how come building doesn't collapse
VERTICALLY with speed of VACUUM?
??? WTF ? LOL
Uyokunko 1 year ago
irs is the terrorists
DARKCOREJUNGLIST 1 year ago
@DARKCOREJUNGLIST
So are the sub prime real estate brokers. More people should fly their planes into the mortgage companies for all the foreclosures they issue. Let's start killing people who fuck with our money.