TBBT S02E02. Loop Quantum Gravity Vs String Theory

[kelvinmok10]

leslie is a quack

[eltigre1201]

we need Michio Kaku on a episode

[Floortjahh]

@eltigre1201 YES! :D

[codebreaker2001]

You cut off the last part of the "Comicon" joke (which was Leonard's response).

[bulkrivero]

BTW stop prefering theories and study them.

[bulkrivero]

Actually string theory studies black holes entropy according to Bekenstein-Hawking results.

[Tomsever]

Any one here think Leslie is hot

[bumrang]

String theory was just proven by a supercomputer, so string theory for sure.

[virumoz]

@bumrang -- do tell! What supercomputer, wherem when? Was it really a proof? Of what? Need. More. Detail.

:-)

[MisterMortarious]

The Looped string quantum gravity theory, there! I solved it!

[stormEx11]

arghhh Leslie should just give in to Sheldon's ways...

Sheldon = awesome

Leslie = annoying :)

[Glassjawfighter]

I perfer my space stringy not loopy.

[1KevinsFamousChili1]

i'm no physicist (i aspire to be) but i study physics in my spare time and i 99% agree with sheldon the 1% is because you can never be 100% sure with quantum mechanics and these high end physics areas....they're weird :P

[juantorres27]

hahaha lol la rivalidad cósmica de las cuerdas contra los bucles para engendrar la gravedad cuántica va para largo si no sale algo del LHC ñ_ñ

[rubydelta6]

Look on the bright side

what bright side?

only nine more months till comic con

Oh yah

LOL

[Heroof1Darkness]

Sounds more like politics to me.

[TheisticThinker]

I weould prefer String Theory, even though I don't like any of them, haha.

[JohananRaatz]

You're all wrong! It's E8!! (just joking)

[JohananRaatz]

Loop Quantum Gravity, String Theory isn't background independent.

[TheWrathfulHippie]

He 'says' he going to overlook it. But he doesn't really...

[theresistancerises]

Sheldon Cooper: Look on the bright side.

Leonard Hofstadter: What's the bright side?

Sheldon Cooper: Only 9 more months to Comic Con.

[nekontears]

even sheldon looks stumped at 1:50

[shurednichso]

One of them is Jewish.

[jordanzs521]

bros before hoes!!,lol

[Anthonyk312]

LOOP QUANTUM GRAVITY!!!

Look at the math. It just makes more sense. 

[MizzMickieJames]

Sheldon: "Oh you are so............so...."

*Leonards face xD*

Leslie: "Listen i gotta go but if you come up with an adjective..Text me!!"

Funniest line ever <3

[kidkong584]

String Theory. No question.

[1theWal1]

Loop Quantum Gravity of course

[malnar1996]

String theory FTW

[angel2901]

the end is missing!

[14physician]

look on the bright side . said sheldon ,..hahha,he attempted to comfort leonard,by bring up a completely irrelevant issue..and said look on the bright side .

[lgoopio]

People sound so smart on the internet. x)

[joshua50101]

@lgoopio hahahahaha, that's includes you, hahaha peace out

[jerq887]

did anyone notice that leslie was sitting on sheldon's spot?

[Elcollpohorrible]

The string theory  is correct.

[GoldenCrusader93]

seems similar to the stupid discussion about religion

it´s really bad how many people raise their children with their own religion and do not wait until the children are old enough to choose for themself

[mrgezau]

Sheldon's reaction on 1:50 is priceless

[MTJPB]

dear mr. rjworks13:

first i loled hard about your post. thought you would be something like "haha, i'm so clever, others can't see what i see...". then some people i know watched this scene, and they rly didnt get it. I was like "OMG, you Noobs!!1", then i realizd you're right. This moment Einstein came to me head: "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Hail to the King Baby!

[BlackAssassinBlade]

Clearly the answer is loop quantum gravity, if matter were made up of 1 dimensional oscilations being classed as strings then they would occupy no space in most directions but as we can see there is an observable accumulation of space in all dimensions therof thus proving that matter is three dimensional, string theory only works if you assume that 7 more dimensions can be added to the universal model. BAZINGA!

[marto282]

-look on the bright side...

-whats the bright side?

-only 9 more month to comicon

-oh yeah...

xD

[sublipdick]

CBS... just barely touching the surface of actual topics and substance and taking it back a notch so the audience learns nothing. Where are the potato chips? These folks is funny right here. I know that cause the people in the audience laugh and tell me when the funny parts is.

[spacecowboy5000]

@sublipdick A show that I loved and adored and watched faithfully removed their laugh track. I still laughed but felt like a total noob. Not because I had no queue to follow but because I felt stupid laughing alone in my living room. Laugh tracks are there to make it feel like like an inclusive experience, to let you know know you're not the only one that thinks something is funny.Only the mindless use it just to know when to laugh.I also think you underestimate the intelligence of the audience.

[nick4399]

loop quantum gravity, yeah right, keep dreaming

[M3t4lManiac]

LOL. "Boulderdash! Matter is CLEARLY made of strings!" Great argument xD

[RazorBladedLover9]

Sheldon's face at 1:50 is just epic!!!!!

[ZaneShadowcast]

I'm going to have to go with Loop Quantum Gravity...

[TheKYLEdavid]

she was kind of like a female sheldon

[proberush]

spinors all the way

[GeekyGirl1011]

My friend and i had an "talk" about this because she agreed with Loop Quantum Gravity and i agreed with String Theory we didn't speak for a WHOLE week LOL

[Sariel445]

I love sheldon's face at 1:49 its hilarious!!

[Classified005]

String Theory. 'Nough said!

[willardftw]

m-theory, done

[Julietteisme]

@clodester *Leonard. Dumby.

[vadiethestar]

even sheldon is suprised at "how do we raise children with that?" ... kids need to know loop quantum gravity to be raised by their parents ...(they can't choose a theory!)

[W3BMAST3ER34]

Why do they have cheesey laughter after every sentence

[train1ng89]

"Are you gonna let him talk to me like that?"

brilliant!

science trash talk :)

[arokh72]

I prefer my mind loopy and my universe stringy.

[pititron40000]

i think it's cool that they got these two together, it's a nice nod back to Rosanne

[h0wud0in2]

matter CLEARLY consists of tiny strings

gotta love sheldon's arguement..

[Radwar99]

@gilmancrush Ironically, what you just wrote describes religious people pretty well.

[ansekt93]

Gotta love the snort of derition! <3

[osubuckeyefan16]

"Tell me Leonard, how will we raise the children?" hahaha

[KongRubix]

Actually string theory DOES explain black hole entropy

[Alexlemd]

To a certain extenet Leslie sounds mostly like Lenard's mother... Glad this did not work out.

[03link85]

poppycock!!! i concur with Shelden

[michaelyang4]

NO GOD CREATED THIS UNIVERSE

.... jks

[varnlestoff]

What are the tiny strings made up of? is that the end?

[SodaTeaches]

@varnlestoff

it's probably not the end but it is matter and energy at the most fundamental level.

[junior1984able]

lets say we knew what Eistein's last work of the theory of everything was; and consequently we published it around the world, by what physicist now know, would it have been accepted as a general theory of the cosmos, or would they're still be critics saying that it's all hawsquash, and move on to more detailed later theories, i say f: it we know that the universe is not all controlled by one super majestic force, and rather, is relative to sane and at the same time caotic unusual behavior

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[331giovanni]

scientific cock-block

[DrKillaser]

here is new one: 6 people clicked dislike button.. :)

[moshpotpaul]

String theory ftw! :D

[moshpotpaul]

@gilmancrush In a lot of cases it's because they do have the correct answer to every dang thing.

[Anthonyk312]

4 people think both Loop Quantum Gravity and String Theory are wrong.

[AAandries]

@Anthonyk312 that joke just isn't funny anymore

[Anthonyk312]

@AAandries yes it is.

[comedyfavorite]

An allusion to religion =)

[TheChuchulainn]

LQG FTW.

String theory is a dead end.

[TheCarlliinha]

I love how the only actractive woman in this besides sheldon's sister is Penny,

[TheChuchulainn]

@TheCarlliinha I disagree, Leslie is kinda hot, in a sexy-librarian sort of way. Also, Howard's gf.

[TheCarlliinha]

@TheChuchulainn

ok, howard's gf is cute, but leslie is not,

[SickDream]

@TheCarlliinha so u dont think that Bernadette is hot??

damn!! i'd do that woman any minute of the day!!! i freaking love her

and Leslie is cute too ...

actually the only young main female cahracter tha i find not attractive is Amy Farrah Fowler

[TheStaticage01]

a deal breaker HA!

[spnmemories]

how can this have 4 dislikes...any dislikes in that matter/..SHELDON COOPER FOR THE WIN

[agentbob49]

Sheldon- "Leonard, you are my friend, and friends support their friends; Apparently."

[glumac16]

"matter clearly consist of thiny strings"-not much of an argument, cus strings aren't really proved, so you can't say that matter "clearly" consist of thiny strings..didn't expect this from Shledon

[Jim1905]

@glumac16

lol I don't think they wanted a real argument of string theory vs lqg.

[SheldonCooperSpock]

on wordpress is now a new site, tbbtroom

[SheldonCooperSpock]

@SheldonCooperSpock  There is a TBBT ChatRoom on that site

[josue9007]

is she crazy???!!!!!! String theory unites quantum mechanics with general relativity much better than loop quantum gravity

[Qulopuaa]

I rarely see this show but .... was fun

[aBLINKtoTHEpast]

Lisbon!

[nekontears]

the answer is 42

[justinsegal55]

@nekontears

wasn't that the answer to the ultimate queastion from the book series Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy?

[nekontears]

@justinsegal55 yah, but the math was wrong!

[koutsou805]

@nekontears siri ftw

[pepicanable]

Interesting tongue twister:

LQG correct= Causality breaks down , no Cauchy surface.

[BellaRogueSinclair]

Wow! It's David and Darlene back together again after all this time! awwww!

[blenderpanzi]

@BellaRogueSinclair Well, not after the end of the video.

[rjworks13]

What's really funny is that reading all the posts, only a very few see the parallel parental debate and conflict in religious values. It's the same arguement as, "I'm a catholic and if we're going to marry, you must be a catholic too or the deal's off!" Point being - as Leonard points out - is that it's still largely as hypothetical as arguing the proof of a supreme being. Great scene!

[LightningDonkey]

@rjworks13 Yes, but the reason that the conflict in deciding a theory seems less important is because most religions advocate consequences for this life - in an "afterlife" (day of judgement, heaven/hell etc.). There's no such reprimand in loop quantum vs. string theory.

[pepicanable]

2/2

Plus it doesn't cover Big Bang singularity, it states that history can be traced back infinitely.

[pepicanable]

In LQG, 'spin networks' represent the quantum states of the geometry of space-time. However LQG is not completely back-ground independent, it requires a topology that doesn't change. In additon to this LQG seems to be non-Lorentz invariant.

[Exclius]

lol, weren't these two on Rosanne together?

[FreedomValentine]

lesley was in sheldon's seat.

[Rosinakitty]

Poor Leonard!!

[KoParker343]

Chuck Norris watches this show

[bejaysea2058]

cgpg.gravity.psu.edu/people/As­htekar/articles/rovelli03.pdf is pretty good description of LQG

[aragorn1780]

SHE'S SITTING IN SHELDON'S SPOT! NOBODY SITS IN SHELDON'S SPOT!!!!!

[xKiB5]

COMIC CON <3



[AndyJmovies]

:( they missed my fave bit, leonard's reaction to comic con "oh yeah"

[pagalpagli5]

smack talk in the physics world...haha love it!

[SpecterReflector]

It turns out both theories have some merit- ironically we would actually have to wait untill the end of the universe to proove either one being wrong. I have this theory on the Instanton substructure of matter, but my thesis was deemed heracy and was burned at the proverbial stake by my superiors. I now have to accept string theory as being true- I feel like my Muslim medicine friends who have Darwinian evolution shoved down their throats- WHEN WILL THE LIES END!!!

[razorbladethorax]

Hořava-Lifshitz Gravity FTW

[jumpinjax2]

Not a good character, he's just fun to hate.

[TheChuchulainn]

Is he kidding? String theory ain't got nothing on LQG. String theory isn't even falsifiable!

[GaolisVideoLog]

@TheChuchulainn OK, I got a basic hang off string theory, but my physicist buddy wasn't able to explain LQG to me. Any help here?

[boycrazed1234]

"look on the bright side"

"whats the bright side?"

"only 9 more months to comic-con"

luv you Sheldon!

[bs0ul]

LQG > Strings!!!

[QueenDeaconite]

Are you gonna let him talk to me like that? XD Brilliant.

[echock89]

Why do I get the feeling Sheldon planned that breakup?

[sakurachicka]

Are you gonna let him talk to me like that?! Lol

[19superbabe91]

@SaberOtaku it generally doesnt matter unless he wants to sit in it.

[HisDivineShadow245]

I sense a lot of quantum nerd rage going on in this thread. Is this a good time to posit that the universe was intelligently designed by a Creator? :D

[4idiotsandalightbulb]

@HisDivineShadow245 no. not likely.

[SharinganKakashii]

It's never a good time to posit a theory that leads to an intellectual dead end. Especially not in any discussion that has to do with physics

[HisDivineShadow245]

@SharinganKakashii Just trying to mix things up a bit. :D

[SharinganKakashii]

@HisDivineShadow245 Good catalyst :D

[myhuskyROXX]

Look at the bright side, only 9 more months to comcocon :) ;) lol love TBBT!!!!!!!

[mistermanlymens]

@myhuskyROXX

"9 more months to Comic Con" to those who didn't get it

[myhuskyROXX]

@mistermanlymens oh, well sorry :/ didnt mean to get it wrong :)

[mrlogic4u]

String theory is crap, that is fo sure!

[InsaneGoonRules]

String theory sells books... That's all it it good for...

[goldeneye007662]

I definitely missed something.

End of season 1- leonard + penny

3 pisodes later- leonad+lesley?

[AkeshaStratton]

I totally  'prefer my space stringy not loopy' too..

[lauraclever]

BAZZINGA!!!!

[urbangirl911]

a snort of dericion

[perdeganha]

COMICON!!!

[huntmatuk]

I get almost all (in the lebesgue sense) the jokes in here, I'm such a nerd...

[69erthx1138]

@huntmatuk Most certainly, (in the Riemann sense) the jokes would have been full of holes, or as we say, "irregular singular points."

[huntmatuk]

@69erthx1138 Isn't a hole (or topologically something which would effect the Euler characteristic) different to an irregular singular point? How would the Euler characteristic change of the solution space to a differential equation with an irregular singular point?

[Kittyrebeccalai]

"How will we raise the children?!"

[username01225110590]

mathematics! lol. come on! any true mathematician would be horrified at the ammount of mathematic rule breaking that goes on in physics!

[palindrome06]

mathematicians are horrified at physical theories because the real world is absolute mess. so physics is messy. but the one place where things are absolutely crystal clear is in pure mathematics.

[Digalog]

That's why I like 64 tetrahedron grid model (creating a cube octahedron (isotropic vector equilibrium) describing the geometry of space. creating singularity and is the geometry in polarity and in perfect symmetry to hold a sphere.

[psychobollox]

@palindrome06

Word!

Absolutely accurate! I studied both and saw maths as a language for physicists, chemists and biologists to use for describing models of the world, and as a tool box for solving problems related to those fields. These days, after tutoring a few people in maths on its own, I gotten around to thinking of it as a source of beauty in and of itself.

Sounds bloody pathetic to most, but bollocks to them!

Loved your comment!

[manvsminaua]

@psychobollox Never heard of loop quantum gravity.

[coldwave44]

@palindrome06 but that is what makes mathematics so boring!

[palindrome06]

@coldwave44 Mathematical beauty cannot be seen unless you actually do mathematics.

[IsilionNELE]

@palindrome06 spherical chickens in a vacuum are crystal clear too!

[TheEarthforge]

@palindrome06 Nope - mathematics is derived from philosophy, so using your logic, philosophy is the most crystal clear.

But it hardly changes the fact that physics is the most awesome. Ever.

[palindrome06]

@TheEarthforge I don't think mathematics is derived from philosophy. If that were the case, then the truthness of theorems would be questioned and would become all "subjective" which is not the case in pure mathematics obviously. Because philosophy is subjective and open to different interpretations. But I don't also think philosophy is derived from mathematics as philosophy is not all about abstractions and formalization.

[Hemul137]

@palindrome06 Logic is the realm of philosophy if you didn't know and yes,

philosophy is the foundation of everything, even science. Philosophy is all subjective?

Which philosophy class you learned that at? Surely not in analytic philosophy where most people agree on logic/etc.

[palindrome06]

@Hemul137 You're assuming as if philosophy is all about logic. Only analytic philosophy may be objective because it relies on certain rules of logic. But what about the rest? General philosophy is merely about personal opinions. We're talking about the absoluteness of these two subjects. If we concern their pureness, a quote by Frege explains it all - "Every good mathematician is at least half a philosopher, and every good philosopher is at least half a mathematician."

[Hemul137]

@palindrome06

Non - analytic philosophy is non-sense in its purest form, full of contradictions, obscurities for the purpose of sounding smart and other failures, so I didn't even consider it.

I don't think anyone who is reasoning logically takes non-analytic philosophy seriously, only some pseudo-intellectuals and some people in humanities who don't understand the point of logical argumentation embrace it.

[VegasSkateCulture]

@Hemul137

No need to ponder reality any more, I have the answer to every objective truth. Ask me.

[palindrome06]

@TheEarthforge You're confusing the meaning of preciseness/rigor with purity. Both mathematics and philosophy are pure. However, it is very wrong to say that philosophy is crystal clear as people may have different opinions about things.

I didn't say physics is bad. I only said physics is complicated because it concerns real world.

[TheEarthforge]

@palindrome06 I merely used your logic there. Historically, mathematics is derived from philosophy. That's where the concept of logic comes from, the central pivot of 99.99% of mathematics.

You said physics is messy. When approached correctly, physics can be very beautiful and clear. However, unification theories are evidence of the worst of physics in their messiness.

[palindrome06]

@TheEarthforge Logic is a tool for mathematics. The study of reasoning itself is both a part of mathematics and philosophy. It is better to clarify what you mean by mathematics. If you mean reasoning, then you're just using the rules of classical logic. But if you mean the mathematical universe by itself then it is not true to say numbers or other abstractions are derived from philosophy as numbers for example were used historically before philosophy was taken into consideration.

[Hemul137]

@palindrome06

Just how logic is a tool for math, math is a tool for physics.

Philosophy is the one who concerns self with what that even means for math objects to exist, in math you merely compute things (or "prove" if you wish - same thing, it is all set theory or tautologies anyway) in the same way you use

math in physics, you don't question basics (like existence).

But in physics you go step further, you actually debate the axioms, while math. can't do that - that is philosophers job.

[samdonelly7]

@palindrome06---Really? Crystal clear? Jesus.....how come Im failing math, but science is my best grade? (frowns)

[Mirakelmannen]

@palindrome06 Mathematics is the language of physics. I don't think the mathematicians are that horrified, because the world isn't all that messy. The ones who are horrified with physical theories are the ones that make the observations, because sometimes theory and observation don't add up at first. Which calls for better theory and/or better observation.

[blenderpanzi]

@Mirakelmannen But this doesn't horrify physicists, it excites them. Because then they have the opportunity to discover something new and formulate a new theory.

[TheODEProject]

@palindrome06

i am sorry, but that´s not correct! Either pure mathematics isnt able to predict spontaneous nuclear decay or the humans are not able to find a way to "make it" understandable. And this is only one example. Greets

[blenderpanzi]

@palindrome06 Is it? What about Gödel's incompleteness theorems?