We are lured into demeaning ea. other thru the dogmatic strictures of animalism/animalitarianism ("atheism") in order: to deny Spiritualism; to wage total war; to value animals above humans; to commit clinician-assisted aborticide; to befoul the water w/fluoride & serums w/mercury; to becloud the air w/aluminum oxide via tanker jets; to burn tumorous growths w/x-rays; to subject our hearts to allopathic diagnostics: radioactive dyes & Adrenalin-based stress tests; to venerate amoral men.
@TheSpazzymoonpie im almost 23. because he is ignorant of the facts and is of the type of asshole theist that CLAIMS something (god) but wants other people to DISPROVE this, without OFFERING PROOF first. the same person I think you are, if you're for him.
@xTroop18546x Then you are one stupid 23 year-old. Did you not hear that atheists bear the burden of proof? Christians DON'T - NEED - TO - PROVE - THAT - THERE - IS - A - GOD. We have faith. And he is "ignorant of the facts"? He knows 100x more about evolution and scientific theories than you ever will. You're just another idiot who claims to be one thing or the other.
You cannot disprove anything unmeasureable (e.g. try to disprove that there is a pink invisible unicorn on the moon).
Thus, demanding dispoval of sth supernatural by the means of natural science is not a kind of a smart-ass dick move... it is the proof of your fundamental misunderstanding of basic logical concepts.
@TheSpazzymoonpie Yeah we're done here, you're a fucking moron that doesn't even read what I write. You just set up straw-men and act like you're so brilliant when you tear them down. You don't understand what a scientific theory is, you don't understand the burden of proof, you don't understand the English language period. Did I say there can't be a god? Evolution and big bang are based on facts, that form the models or theories. Get a clue kid, you're way out of your league.
Now, most 'atheists' I come across are hilariously stupid. They are, 99% of the time, the type of dumb asses that stopped believing in God because they asked him for something and they didn't receive. I don't think you can even consider them atheists, more like imbeciles lacking an argument to defend themselves. Rather, they go straight to the insults directed at someone who DOES believe in God. And when they are put on the spot, they still go straight to insults without an argument.
@TheSpazzymoonpie Agreed. Most atheists seem to be miserable, arrogant, ignorant, fools who seem to think God should answer to their desires instead of changing themselve so they can get what they want.
@NeilJunior12 Most NDE believers and godbots seem to be miserable, arrogant, ignorant morons who seem to think God cares more about Tebow winning a football game than helping sick, starving and dying children, instead of doing something about it to make the world a better place, or a real heaven.
@TheSpazzymoonpie "You're only proving my point! You dumbfucks rely so greatly on divine intervention! It's sad! You're MISERABLE!" This is the FIRST thing you said to me, and you expect me to take you seriously? Go back under your bridge, you have nothing to offer.
@TheSpazzymoonpie I reject the possibility of all gods that have been presented to me They all derive from primitive societies’ attempts to explain the world & are passed down the generations as traditions. Our understanding of current & past primitive societies provides ample evidence, as does the refutation of all physical god claims by science. But most damning to the supernatural is our understanding of psychology and cognitive neuroscience. Gods are a very human invention.
@NeilJunior12 ROFL.. wow. You are not to be taken seriously at all. You're a new-age woo'er. I looked up that guy and found nothing convincing about it at all, in fact it's kinda silly.. it's like you guys ignore science until it has something remotely supporting your inane claims. Hypoxia, look it up. Talk about the PT Barnum Effect; a sucker is born every minute. That no-self site is just sad! No science anywhere in there at all... and then in the end it's about Jesus? WTF LOL
@NeilJunior12 I think you're just bitter at the world for not seeing things the way you do and you're probably mad about your own choices, thats why you refer to these discussions as "Arguments".
@NeilJunior12 It's funny how the religious or "spiritual" ones get so angry so quickly and are so eager to force their opinions or believes onto others.
And with most atheists i've spoken to it a much more relaxed attitude, like they know it's not worth fighting about because they know they've made the right choice.
@YouNewb100 I'm not really that angry at all, If you'd look at my comments and replies it's mostly me who is getting insulted by an angry person. I was not force anything at all, but just stating the theory that I believe, which I think is more simple and logical than religion or atheism. It is not my fault you take it as I'm forcing you, I said it with the intention to calm others down before me that we're arguing between religion and atheism.
@NeilJunior12 That's cool, To be honest with you i've seen plenty of debates, discussions and arguments on this subject here on youtube to know that nothing is ever achieved by it all and it's just purely academic woffle that goes around and around in circles until somebody quits or it goes up a level to name calling and "trolling".
The only thing i ever really learn from all this is that nobody is any better than anybody else whatever they believe or don't believe.
@YouNewb100 Please go to no-self.com. I know it seems like I'm forcing something on you but I'm really trying to help you. It isn't for the religious or the atheists, it works for everyone. I am not religious and it worked for me. Please, you can act like I didn't even send you it and you just found it on your own. I am sending it with the best intentions. It may be long but it is worth it. Please just give it a try.
@TheSpazzymoonpie I'm an atheist. I don't think you've ever spoken to one the way you talk. But assuming I'm wrong, try me. I'll show you how hilariously WRONG you are. The truth is on our side.
@TheSpazzymoonpie ROFL.. wow how funny. You came here and posted nothing but ad hom straw-man insults at no one particular but your projection of atheists. Christopaths, and any deity believers haven't produced anything to further their claims, not one hint of evidence whatsoever in 2000+ years now. And you have the arrogance to attack them, when you are playing make-believe!! And they're telling you to put up or shut up - at least grow up. You appear frighteningly insecure.
@Ghoshul You are so badly misinformed of how religion "works". You see, we don't need proof of anything! We have a little something called "FAITH"! It's a wonderful word that you should have learned around the 4th grade. Well while some have not passed elementary school, others know what that word is and also know that religious people don't_need_proof. And I like how you start your responses with "ROFL.." and call ME insecure! Now, how do you believe life started on the earth?
@TheSpazzymoonpie Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved. Faith is a cop-out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can’t be taken on its own merits. Faith isn't a pathway to truth. Faith is gullibility. It's giving up, it's an excuse you use to believe because you don't have a good reason. Joining hands every Sunday in 'faith' is pretty insecure.
@Ghoshul You're going to rant on about what you perceive as faith and completely ignore my only question? Are you just scared to answer it? And adjusting its views based on what's observed? So a scientific LAW is just tossed aside at one crazy notion?
@TheSpazzymoonpie Are you cereal? I did answer you, and I didn't rant, I just had to make sure we were talking about the same worthless hand-waving word that is faith. If evidence to the contrary arises, yes you change the science, thus our knowledge and beliefs. Where godbots believe because they were indoctrinated or lack critical thinking or have an emotional tie and need a crutch. There's no good reasons to believe, hence faith. Also known as Fail.
@Ghoshul Yet you still rant on your own definition of faith! You have this extremely negative mind. You're just like the rest of the idiots that call themselves atheist. Some say religion was created because people feared death. While that may be true for some, it definitely does not apply to the whole of religion. However... atheism is like being afraid of death but instead of worshiping God you attack religions instead. It is common for a scared creature to fight back. Don't worry!
@TheSpazzymoonpie I didn't rant on my own definition, those are quotes about the meaning of faith by those who know what it is or used to have it, til they realized it's worthlessness and irrationality. I'm like who? How is atheism like what you claim, when it is like, not believing in gods dude. You are becoming more and more dishonest every post and borderline incomprehensible the way you talk, obviously you don't speak with atheists very often, you demonstrate that clearly.
@TheSpazzymoonpie I said some way that is natural, I don't know how it started, you don't and neither does anyone else. So yeah, I did answer, honestly of course, in that I don't know, but a natural way I think. Tests have shown that some building blocks for life have naturally occurred in a lab setting, not the ones present on an early earth because we can't know those conditions with certainty, but proteins and acids nonetheless with no other inputs but electricity.
@Ghoshul Yeah, no one knows how life started. But every single theory out there claims that life started from SOMETHING! Not from nothing. While I don't believe most of the readings of the bible literally (and that probably doesn't make me too Christian), I still believe that God created, at least, the building blocks of life such as amino acids, nucleotides, and all that good stuff that all cells are made up of. No matter how you believe life started on earth, it still had to come -
@TheSpazzymoonpie See I knew it. You haven't thought this stuff out very well. All the material was already present by the time the earth formed. There was never "nothing". That's what creationists, like you believe but you don't realize it. There was nothing, but god was around? Then he made the universe and everything, including the space or time he was in somehow, all from... nothing. No it doesn't "had to come from a higher power : God" This is stupid and just wrong.
@Ghoshul - from a higher power : God. That's the only "logical" explanation for how the building blocks of life came to be. But spontaneous generation is so far-fetched, even for the strongly atheistic scientists. If you really just think, spontaneous generation is nowhere close to an explanation. There 'has' to be a god (or several gods).
@TheSpazzymoonpie Basically what you're working from is an unsupported assertion and presupposition that there is something bigger, based on nothing. Never once, has a mystery been solved and concluded as supernatural, magic or any of that pseudoscience babble. Always a natural explanation that works. This "godthing" has an empty track record. Miller-Urey experiments demonstrated all natural ingredients in uncertain conditions can produce the building blocks. All naturally.
@TheSpazzymoonpie There's nothing logical about special pleading, wishful thinking, and persistent delusions of hierarchical models. There doesn't "have to be" a higher power, a creator or any of these baseless assertions. If you don't know, you don't know. An argument from ignorance does not equal a truth.
@Ghoshul You're mind is too set on atheism to even think about how stupid your explanation for this is. So you're saying that there was never 'nothing', so therefore those natural ingredients just were? Nothing more to it than that? They were just "there"? Before everything? "An argument from ignorance does not equal a truth." Well, touché! I guess we can both say each others' arguments are just ignorant then, huh? I guess there is no truth, to anything!
@TheSpazzymoonpie Okay wow. I didn't realize you were this misinformed, or maybe just willingly dishonest. Mind too set on atheism? That makes no sense at all, mind too set on disbelief in gods? Lol w/e that means.. and yes, all the elements and atoms in the universe today, were around before the earth formed you know, this is kinda common sense. How it all got here no one knows, you are aware of this you just want to play god of the gaps, which is childish reasoning.
@Ghoshul God of the "GAP". Derp. You just said that no one knows how all those atoms got there and no one ever will. Just like how people like you will never accept god because you are too stubborn and/or can't admit you were wrong in just thinking that those 'atoms' were always just "there". You don't know how they got there, but you're SO sure that there is no god.
@TheSpazzymoonpie No evidence for any gods, anytime, anywhere, ever. This is why I'm pretty sure there's no god. This is called rational. What you have is irrational belief, because you need a security blanket. You need a big sky daddy watching over you, you need the fear of damnation to be what you are. You live the loneliest, most childish existence all b/c you're afraid of death. Deal with reality on it's terms not yours. There was no Jesus, grow a pair and shut the fuck up.
@TheSpazzymoonpie Basically what we have here is your inability to reason like an educated individual, because you refuse to learn the science. You were indoctrinated and never learned to critically think about anything for yourself. There's no science in the book of Genesis. Try getting a better education. If you don't accept the big bang or evolutionary theory, you're wrong and that's it. I mean you come on the net and say things like "has to be a god" LOL no child, just no.
@Ghoshul That is just a sad comment to make. You clearly said "theory", did you not? So, now, in YOUR world, THEORY means the truth and only truth? Yes, I have taken the time to learn evolutionary theory and enough about the big bang theory. Yes, they are all possibilities. Did I reject those possibilities? No. And you do what - come on the net and say things like "has to NOT be a god"? Talk about hypocritical? I have come to accept the possibilities of evolution and such.
@Ghoshul And did you even take the slightest consideration that there might actually be a god? NOPE. You are sad. Talk about miserable people. You can't even bear to think that you might be wrong. AND YOU STILL CALL "ME" THE CHILD?!?!? BWAHAHA! I think we're done here.
@TheSpazzymoonpie Talk about miserable alright. Text-walling nothing but bad argument and unsupported assertions on the internet thinking you might be right when you're demonstrably wrong is pretty sad. Relying on your own gullibility for the truth? You're delusional. You are a simpleton, you sound so angry and small I feel bad for you. Maybe one day you'll make sense and be able to join the adults at the table, but you're several tears from that.
@TheSpazzymoonpie I'm not sure how life started, no one knows. I think it will be a natural explanation if we ever find out. The reason is because there is nothing to suggest there is any supernatural or higher force in the universe. Every mystery ever solved has been natural; not magic or biblical or any force you want to throw in there. The most likely result will be natural, since nothing tested or observed ever.... ever, has been not natural.
For there not to be a god ( and I know that's not what Hitchens is saying, just that there's no proof ) then Hawkings would have to be right about the completely ridiculous theory of spontaneous generation. Now, spontaneous generation... wow... it's so stupid and out of the blue even for Hawkings. But let's say it's true and can happen. Would it or would it not go against EVERYTHING you learn in science; that energy and matter can neither be created nor destroyed and all the other related shit?
@YouNewb100 God will still exists. God isn't this "guy in the sky" that religions make him out to be. God is the source of energy from which the universe came from. Just because humans didn't exist at first doesn't mean anything, it's actually a blessing beings and intelligent enough were able to "come to be" so we could experience this world in better detail. It's just sad that most of us are caught up in our egos and own issues to realize we call come from the same source.
@NeilJunior12 Excuse my smelling, but yes. Religion makes God to be based on people but he is wrong, People come from the same source of energy as animals, trees, earth, stars, comets, stars, galaxies, and all other forms of energy in the universe. When people die our energy that makes us alive leaves our bodies and goes back to the originall state and to the source from which it came.
@NeilJunior12 God exists only as a thought in a human mind, but the human mind exists within the universe. Again... when humans are gone the thought of "God" will also be gone, and the universe will keep going.
It has nothing to do with "egos", It's just facts. "God is the source of energy from which the universe came from" = String theory.
@YouNewb100 Ego has alot to do with it, considering we have no ego when we are infants. Do you remember what it was like to experience life as it truly is, without your ego in the way? Nope. When you were born, you were a peaceful, fearless being without ego. The moment you, say, got slapped, or saw your parents fight, you learned fear. Fear caused you to learn distrust, and also at the point you began to build an ego by learning and reacting to what you experience around you.
@NeilJunior12 Thought is merely an illusion caused by learning and reacting to experiences in life, so the thought of god in people's minds doesn't really matter. A shift is occuring with a new paradigm my friend. There is a way to experience life as it truly is before you become molded by people around you. no-self.com, meditation and deep honesty are some ways to come to this realization. If these are not working for you(that is, if you even bother trying them out), then keep trying.
@Syrmatae Alright fool, type in Mellen Thomas Benedict on google, the man who died for over an hour. Information he learned from his near death experience helped prove scientific theories true that could not be proven before. Also, go to no-self.com, hopefully you can get it.
@NeilJunior12 Did you know if you say "gullible" very slowly it sounds like orange? That website is less than novice and contains no scientific data anywhere at all. And that guy's story falls miles below credible, I'm kind of stunned there's nothing to back up what he claims at all and people buy it, poor suckers you lot are. Being a pusher for new-age ridiculousness and a charlatan is unbecoming and irksome. You should grow up.
If you are an atheist and know without a doubt it started by chance, then if a rock popped up in mid air, out of nowhere, out of nothing, infront of your computer right now, you know you would think" no way, thats impossible, there has to be a reason"...then why do you think its perfectly acceptable to think an entire universe came out of nowhere by chance? It's the same thing.
@NeilJunior12 You don't know what the big bang theory postulates. Religious/Creationists are the ones with the "everything from nothing" dilemma, not naturalists. Atheists don't claim there was nothing to something by chance, where do you get this info? Frankly, you have a lot and I mean a lot of homework and learning to do if these posts of yours accurately represent what you think. Curious, have you had a high school education yet?
@trajaen534 From what I learned in high school, the big bang theory states that the universe was once a ball of dense energy smaller than an atom, that at what point, expaned to create the universe. What does it postulate in your opinion? What are your thoughts on how when poeple die, they are consumed with a bright, warm, mass energy of light? If you think this is DMT induced, why would nearly all people who die hallucinate a near death experience?
@NeilJunior12 If they are just hallucinations, wouldn't the brain most likely hallucinate random things instead of a near death experience, every time? Have you read the near death experience of Mellen- Thomas- Benedict, the man who's near death experience lasted an hour after his death? How can the brain hallucinate for this long, much less hallucinate exactly about what happens after dying instead of random junk? I think you should check out the webpage called no-self.com
@NeilJunior12 Even though this subject is a complete non sequitur to why I replied to you, just post your evidence for any of this, because I've been around the web and this is not my first NDE rodeo. There's nothing more than speculation concerning this phenomena, there are no raw facts that say this demonstrates anything, other than brains can mess up. It's far more likely a natural event, since every mystery ever solved has been "not magic" or supernatural in origin.
@trajaen534 I never said it was magic. It is simply the energy that makes you alive leave your body at death. Type in Mellen Thomas Benedict, the man who's hour and a half long near death experience contributed to new discoveries in cellular biology. Also, I'm guessing you we're to proud to go to no-self.com?
@NeilJunior12 Are you really this dense? There's no evidence anything like that actually happened to this guy. There's no med recs that say he was clinically brain dead, and you keep saying he had an NDE, while dodging everything I asked you. Guess what an NDE is, near-death. Death? No. So please stop the dishonest pleading. You have nothing to back up your nonsense. Tell me where is the test or study that showed he accomplished what he did - due to his NDE..... I'll be waiting.
@NeilJunior12 Okay so you intentionally posted straw-men arguments for what purpose, if you know that's not what the scientific community thinks? And what is this nonsense about people dying and still telling you what they were consumed by? Did you not think these statements through? Please provide sources for this pretty incredible claim of "nearly all people who die, hallucinate about dying first." What are you even trying to say here...?
Why has noone ever considered using to statistics while thinking about the cause of the universe. The odds of the universe created by matter coming out of nothing by chance? In my opinion, 1 to a trillion, probably smaller.
Honestly, I believe the stupidest people of all are atheists who 100% believe without a chance the entire Universe, with laws of physics, laws of gravity, love, other emotions, and endless other things started out of nowhere by chance and others are dumb. It's the same thing as going outside and seeing a firework go off in the air and saying "that happened by chance, theres no way someone lit that off unless they're stupid".
I think it should be made clear that Chris is trying to disprove Christianity. To say that there is no God, is to say they we are not spiritual beings. So what he argues against is the Christian view of God. People, just like everything else in this world there is some truth surrounded by a whole bunch of bullshit. So it is more likely that there are many truths then just one truth. Science and Religion should be hand in hand. One tells how the other tells why.
@mjlane420 Lol "One tells how the other tells why." Really? I'd love to know why you think this. Also, what are "spiritual beings" as opposed to.. physical ones? How do you determine the difference?
The reason people ignore God is because they chose too. They willingly are ignorant , they request it; to their own destruction... The creation its' self speaks of God. Not to mention the love letter He has authored to everyone of us. The world blinds people to this truth. The blind leading the blind. Christ teachings , if you care to open your mind ,is the only real truth. Learn of Christ, The Savior of this world. And repent of your sins. Only then can you begin to understand to please God.
Anyone ignorant enough to claim a 600 year old man traversed the entire planet and collected 2 (or 4) of every species is a fool. So your mythical god flooded the earth with mass murder as his revenge?
@685411 You take a truly ignorant position! If you promote the belief in a God that enforces a DAMNATION for unbelief, it is incombent upon you to prove the existence of the God you promote!. You are most likely a TYPICAL Christian with the associated doctrines. Study the Dead Sea Scrolls for a suppressed view of what Christ truly taught, not the accepted teachings of your church. Just so you know, ALL Christian churches are CATHOLIC. Do your Berean duty! The council of NICEA made the BIBLE!
@FarmBoyRecords, Duppybruh makes a good point that you seem to bypass...Duppybruh's not owning or stoning is in itself a SELF evident action of premier behavior over those who would own or stone. IF there is a God, that essence would ultimately be the standard setter should IT decide to set standards. Duppybruh simply compares his reality to the ACCEPTED Biblical accounts and acceptances. I too have not owned or stoned, my reality is more moral than one who has....God or none!
Riddle me this please @FarmBoyRecords....while I personally believe in a Higher power, I am dismayed with the typical CHRISTIAN point of views. Christianity in and of itself IS A CULT by definition. Just because so many believe esentially the same thing, doesn't prove that what they mutually believe is true. So...if Christians are supposed to be emulating the God they believe in, why are they not supposed to behave in anger, jealousy or to exact vengeance? Biblical attributes of God.
@FarmboyRecords this wasnt an athiest battleground. and if you cant convince me of an all powerful god, who created me and anything/everything ive ever seen/heard/smelled/tasted/touched, then you're pushin a shitty story on me. Asking whether or not someone actually belives in talking serpants and noahs arc is not garbage. Explaining that a benevolent god commanded genocide, and gave us our morals, even though ours are better, is not garbage. (plus the pastor has god on his side...hardly unfair)
Your telling me that Joy Behar would not be sympathetic to the atheist over the Christian? Give me a break!
I don't have to convince you of anything. It is self evident. Just like I can't convince you of your own conscious, its there. Whether you choose to suppress truth it totally up to you.
That's funny that you say YOUR morals are better. How can you quantify such a statement? On what basis are your morals better? Who is the ultimate judge of such a statement? YOU?
@FarmboyRecords Well according to you it is incredibly self evident that god is the ultimate judge of anything and everything anyone does or thinks....how could i not see it before?its so obvious now that you tell me I dont need evidence, because everything is evidence.
And yea 'I' say my morals are better, ive never stoned anyone or owned a jewish boy as a house slave (but god is the judge of everything, so hopefully he can explain why killing is only ok when he gives the orders)
Excuse me but explain how "not stoning anyone, or owning a Jewish boy as a house slave" makes you morally superior to the one who gave you your conscience.
If you really believe there is no God. Then you have to also LOGICALLY conclude there is no standard of perfection. In such a universe, stoning someone to death is the same and NOT stoning someone to death. You can't really win this argument. Because God BY DEFINITION is the RULES.
@FarmboyRecords It is obvious that perfection is not a part of reality but a view of some scenario or object. And NOT stoning someone to death i suppose could be a sin if god said so...funny thing is, HE/SHE NEVER FUCKING SHOWS UP TO HELP OUT. You could argue that there is no logical right and wrong of morality because morality will always fall into a semantic definition of perceptual justice/injustice. Now get your all powerful god to clear up some of his/her dumbass rules.
@FarmboyRecords and if you belive in a certain god then you also LOGICALLY cannot conclude that god is good. God is all powerful and made everything, yet no one can see him, talk to him, or face him without being killed by his all powerful might. But god is everything and made everything and it is 'self evident' that god is everywhere and everything. So technically the 3 debating in this video should drop dead from viewing god's awesome power, due to being in his direct presence constantly
You understand why Hitchens emigrated when you watch videos like this. In Britain you POSSIBLY could find someone who talks about Romanian judges in Olympic diving competitions re a discussion about the Christian God, but NOWHERE in Britain will you EVER find a tv presenter who says "right", as if it's perfectly natural to include Romanian judges in diving competitions in a discussion about God...because he/she would be sectioned under the mental health act of 1983 & lose their job as a result.
Seems to me these guys are not christians. They're using the holy scriptures for a profit. If we want to know if there is a God all we need to do is read and study the voice of God and that is the Word of God. No wonder hell's borders are enlarged.
I'm very glad that the interviewer lady scoffed and laughed at the pastor. With religious people like that, all you can do, all you should do, is laugh at their STUPID STUPID beliefs. They are not worthy of respect. Sorry
If it were self-evident that a god exists, there would be no atheists. Oh, it's self-evident to people who already believe it exists. How is it that Wilson doesn't see how inane that statement is?
@YY4Me133 And of course, Allah is self-evident to the Muslims, and Krishna is self-evident to the Hindus, and the Invisible Pink Unicorn is self-evident to me. Inane and utterly meaningless.
She's so trashy and unprofessional. As an interviewer you should treat your guests with respect and dignity and not laugh at them and mock them, whatever your own beliefs are. Her Italian accent is horrific too.
Douglas Willson fails to understand, that every human being is born atheist. They are the ones who claim existance of something. If person claims existance of something, he must proove it. If I claim that there is one more planet in our star system, I must prove it.
@Thejadjadjad 85% of Americans aren't Christian, and youtube isn't solely used by Americans... derp. But maybe to try and shed light on the difference I would guess the adage about 'the internet is where religion goes to die' holds somewhat true; because information is free-flowing and readily available. It's not so easy to indoctrinate and brainwash with a world wide web full of real information and new ideas - so accessible and integrated to daily life.
@Ghoshul i stand corrected 85% of americans believe in God. 70% are christians and 20% are strict eveangelical and ofcourse i know the internet isnt only americans but a decent part of it .......anyways its EXTREMELY rare to see a religious top comment but its almost everytime we see an angry atheist comment
@Thejadjadjad "anyways its EXTREMELY rare to see a religious top comment but its almost everytime we see an angry atheist comment"
May I suggest that this is because the religious people are the ones doing the stuff that pisses people off? Would you agree, for example, that if I took a dump on the windshield of your car, and then told you I should be thankful because God had revealed to him that it was right, you'd have reason to be angry, and that my justification is worthless?
@Thejadjadjad That is roughly how I feel when superstitious nuts come and quote the Bible or the Qur'an at me to defend atrocities, giving themselves special rights, or opposing important research or health work. Insofar as these clowns expect to be taken seriously without a shred of evidence I think I have the right to be angry at them.
If you're going to be a self righteous bastard imposing your will on others, may I suggest at least having evidence that you're right?
There is prove that nature weed bushes were growing around Betlehem, and Jesus saw a burning bush according to the Bible and saw visions or something(not sure what I never cared to look into it) while watching it.So it is a big chance he saw a burning weed bush and became stoned and saw delusions.
So are you guys believing a weird stonded beary? according to me, yup.
i just think there is alot of confusion about the bible i mean look how old it is. it truly is a remarkable book i mean there isnt one like it. but its so old that its written for a nieve population from literally Moses time. i think you have to read the bible with more complexity in today's world. think about it logically and with reason. remember this came from the time of no cars no technology etc. but there is a message and its beyond the people of its time there is a higher power behind it
It saddens me that at the time of this interview, the poor and brilliant Hitchens had no idea of his horrible fate. RIP, I hope this brilliant man is remembered throughout history as one of our species finest thinkers.
@kevrs2 poor in a metaphorical sense not a financial one. Poor in fitness perhaps, seeing as cancer was raging within him at that very moment, yet he had no idea.
It is just a book.A book lost in translation as relevant a goblins and fairies.There is no heaven and there is no hell so get over it.All the children sexually abused by the church are going through hell on earth.Get your head out of your cake hole.
I am a atheist ,But who would want to go to heaven .Give me that red hot hell lots of barbecue,booze ,party party,and hot hot dirty chicks,give me some of that baby.
@kingharryannis yeah you're stupid too i see. go on to hell if you want to then but you wont see hot chicks, barbecue, booze, and partying. what book have you read tells you that goes on in hell. all you will know throughout eternity is pain and suffering and regret
@Marck2895 ::: You made the crappy statement that there was no hell. You might want to use your crappy eyes to read the crappy book "A Wanderer in the Spirit Lands" which will tell your crappy brain a few things about the crappy afterlife. Have a crappy day.
@k0smon You do realize that NDEs are near-death experiences right? Lol that means they did not die. And that book you mentioned is a story, a second-hand account of a subjective delusion, you know - not reality based or supported by ANY evidence, much like the Bible. You made it on the internet and you didn't take the time to research the book, or NDEs, nor look up scientific evidence of spirits or souls (there is none). Your post is absolute crap. You have a good day now.
@trajaen534 ::: Your denials and refusal to examine evidence is crap. Hire a medium and talk to Hitchens who can enlighten you on how things really are.
@k0smon Can you give me the evidence? The book you mentioned is free online to read, and has no empirical backing whatsoever, so why do you believe the author? Why hasn't anyone published papers or done experiments? Hire a medium? You believe in psychics as well, you really are horribly misinformed. And I really doubt you have any idea what evidence is, so why not define it for me. What do you think evidence is, in your own words?
Hm.. mister here believes everything what is being told to him. why don't you do some research by yourself? If the afterlife is sóó great why don't you put an bullet in your head to discover the magnificant heaven!
By the way, can you answer this?
If you believers think the Big Bang is nonsens because nothing can come out of nothing, who created god then? Did god just magically pop up?
@Marck2895 ::: I have researched the afterlife for years and am assured I have found the way it is. Soon after spiritualism became popular, there were those who offed themselves to get to heaven. They regretted it later when they realize the problems they had caused those left behind. The spirits recommend highly against that. After all, isn't ~80 years a short enough time to be here? As soon as your dog speaks English , I will explain to you about God. We don't have the capacity to understand.
@k0smon You said we don't understand God, then how do you believe in it? You can't believe something that you are ignorant about. You have nothing to compare or define God as/with? Then you're talking about nothing. There is no difference in what you stated and someone else just making it up.
@k0smon Your brain releases a chemical before youre about to die that promotes hallucinations, delusion, and euphoria. all these hellish and heavenly NDE are simply a fabrication of your own subconscious and this chemical. DONE. People underestimate the power of the brain and should give it more credit for it is limiting us as a species.
@geetarthrasher ::: The experts who study those who have had NDEs are fully aware of DMT and its actions. They have determined that 02 lack, chemicals, drugs, anesthetics, hallucinations etc cannot acount for NDEs. Reports by those who have had out of body experiences with their NDE, accurately describing their surroundings and happenings, just cannot be explained away as drug reactions.
@k0smon yorue aware that alot of out of body experiences occur via sleep paralysis, your brain also releases chemicals while you sleep. When you have something as powerfully delusional as your mind it would be ignorant to think it incomprehensible to build these scenarios in a near death.
@geetarthrasher :::You are speaking of OOBs not connected with NDEs. When you have an NDE with associated OOB, where accurate reports are given by the experiencer, you cannot blame that on drugs. The person's mind had to be in visual contact with what he/she saw in order for the report to be accurate.
@k0smon Ive stared death in the face many times to list a few, i got into a bad car accident without a seatbelt totalling the car in a suspended off ramp in which car fell off about 50 feet. I wouldve flown out of the car but my leg caught in the steering wheel and my head cracked the windshield only. Another time, I had played the hero to a girl that was getting harassed by a bunch of drunks in halloween and get the shit kicked out of me, i was out for 2 days. Guess what my NDE was:chinatown CA
@geetarthrasher ::: Interesting. Chinatown. Did you actually have an NDE? Perhaps you were just thrown into an OOB experience and actually did visit Chinatown. LA or SF?
Enjoy life,eat will,travel,bonk,drink good beer and fine wine,read good literature we only have one shot at it,cheers Chris mate ,you lived your life well the way you wanted to and did not let the bastards grid you down.
How many Lies do you think you have told in your life? Have you ever stolen anything, even something small? Have you ever looked at a person with lust? Ever used GOD's name as a curse word? If so, GOD sees you as a Lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart. The Guilty will end up in Hell. That's not GOD's will. You broke GOD's laws, but Jesus paid your fine! (IF) you Repent, and trust in Christ alone, GOD will forgive every sin you have ever committed, and grant you Eternal life!
@krause79 watch finger prints of god, nde told from all around and multiple eyewitness of jesus life. if you say your in pursuit of truth you'll watch. don't trust matt dilluhunty he messes up. 1.bible doesn't say earth flat khug=spherical oval earth. 2.bible doesn't call bats birds owap=wing creatures and zeitigeist has been debunked.
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"you dont literally believe all those animals got on a boat do you?"
"we're animals and we talk"
the pastor totally owned her there.
1984LizardKing 1 day ago
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We are lured into demeaning ea. other thru the dogmatic strictures of animalism/animalitarianism ("atheism") in order: to deny Spiritualism; to wage total war; to value animals above humans; to commit clinician-assisted aborticide; to befoul the water w/fluoride & serums w/mercury; to becloud the air w/aluminum oxide via tanker jets; to burn tumorous growths w/x-rays; to subject our hearts to allopathic diagnostics: radioactive dyes & Adrenalin-based stress tests; to venerate amoral men.
procommenter 3 days ago
FUCKING IDIOT pastor.
xTroop18546x 4 days ago
@xTroop18546x And why would you think that? How old are you?
TheSpazzymoonpie 4 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie im almost 23. because he is ignorant of the facts and is of the type of asshole theist that CLAIMS something (god) but wants other people to DISPROVE this, without OFFERING PROOF first. the same person I think you are, if you're for him.
xTroop18546x 3 days ago
@xTroop18546x Then you are one stupid 23 year-old. Did you not hear that atheists bear the burden of proof? Christians DON'T - NEED - TO - PROVE - THAT - THERE - IS - A - GOD. We have faith. And he is "ignorant of the facts"? He knows 100x more about evolution and scientific theories than you ever will. You're just another idiot who claims to be one thing or the other.
TheSpazzymoonpie 3 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie
You cannot disprove anything unmeasureable (e.g. try to disprove that there is a pink invisible unicorn on the moon).
Thus, demanding dispoval of sth supernatural by the means of natural science is not a kind of a smart-ass dick move... it is the proof of your fundamental misunderstanding of basic logical concepts.
tl;dr: it's the other way around, stupid.
XmarkedSpot 3 days ago 5
@TheSpazzymoonpie Yeah we're done here, you're a fucking moron that doesn't even read what I write. You just set up straw-men and act like you're so brilliant when you tear them down. You don't understand what a scientific theory is, you don't understand the burden of proof, you don't understand the English language period. Did I say there can't be a god? Evolution and big bang are based on facts, that form the models or theories. Get a clue kid, you're way out of your league.
Ghoshul 2 days ago
"and you can get to like it" lmao
eyestepback 4 days ago
If there is no God, who created this land? There has to be a creater, am I right.
ura420 6 days ago
@ura420 No, you're wrong.
Syrmatae 5 days ago
100 years from now future youth will learn about Hitchens in text books, this fact makes me happy.
CyclonexxxIce 6 days ago
Now, most 'atheists' I come across are hilariously stupid. They are, 99% of the time, the type of dumb asses that stopped believing in God because they asked him for something and they didn't receive. I don't think you can even consider them atheists, more like imbeciles lacking an argument to defend themselves. Rather, they go straight to the insults directed at someone who DOES believe in God. And when they are put on the spot, they still go straight to insults without an argument.
TheSpazzymoonpie 1 week ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie Agreed. Most atheists seem to be miserable, arrogant, ignorant, fools who seem to think God should answer to their desires instead of changing themselve so they can get what they want.
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 LOL. listen to you.
YouNewb100 1 week ago
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NeilJunior12 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 Most NDE believers and godbots seem to be miserable, arrogant, ignorant morons who seem to think God cares more about Tebow winning a football game than helping sick, starving and dying children, instead of doing something about it to make the world a better place, or a real heaven.
trajaen534 1 week ago
@trajaen534 You're only proving my point! You dumbfucks rely so greatly on divine intervention! It's sad! You're MISERABLE!
TheSpazzymoonpie 1 week ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie You're a troll and a moron, thanks for playing.
trajaen534 1 week ago
@trajaen534 THAT'S your response? Nice! Atheists get smarted by the second!
TheSpazzymoonpie 1 week ago
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@TheSpazzymoonpie "You're only proving my point! You dumbfucks rely so greatly on divine intervention! It's sad! You're MISERABLE!" This is the FIRST thing you said to me, and you expect me to take you seriously? Go back under your bridge, you have nothing to offer.
trajaen534 6 days ago
@trajaen534 You're good at those troll insults!
TheSpazzymoonpie 4 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie I reject the possibility of all gods that have been presented to me They all derive from primitive societies’ attempts to explain the world & are passed down the generations as traditions. Our understanding of current & past primitive societies provides ample evidence, as does the refutation of all physical god claims by science. But most damning to the supernatural is our understanding of psychology and cognitive neuroscience. Gods are a very human invention.
trajaen534 2 days ago
@NeilJunior12 ROFL.. wow. You are not to be taken seriously at all. You're a new-age woo'er. I looked up that guy and found nothing convincing about it at all, in fact it's kinda silly.. it's like you guys ignore science until it has something remotely supporting your inane claims. Hypoxia, look it up. Talk about the PT Barnum Effect; a sucker is born every minute. That no-self site is just sad! No science anywhere in there at all... and then in the end it's about Jesus? WTF LOL
Ghoshul 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 "I'm a happy, enlightened person trying to help dumbass "atheists" like you" pfff. Who are you kidding with sentences like that?
Btw I'm not an "Atheist", i choose to not subscribe to any labels for the risk of becoming self-righteous like you've proven yourself to be.
YouNewb100 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 I think you're just bitter at the world for not seeing things the way you do and you're probably mad about your own choices, thats why you refer to these discussions as "Arguments".
YouNewb100 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 It's funny how the religious or "spiritual" ones get so angry so quickly and are so eager to force their opinions or believes onto others.
And with most atheists i've spoken to it a much more relaxed attitude, like they know it's not worth fighting about because they know they've made the right choice.
YouNewb100 1 week ago
@YouNewb100 I'm not really that angry at all, If you'd look at my comments and replies it's mostly me who is getting insulted by an angry person. I was not force anything at all, but just stating the theory that I believe, which I think is more simple and logical than religion or atheism. It is not my fault you take it as I'm forcing you, I said it with the intention to calm others down before me that we're arguing between religion and atheism.
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 That's cool, To be honest with you i've seen plenty of debates, discussions and arguments on this subject here on youtube to know that nothing is ever achieved by it all and it's just purely academic woffle that goes around and around in circles until somebody quits or it goes up a level to name calling and "trolling".
The only thing i ever really learn from all this is that nobody is any better than anybody else whatever they believe or don't believe.
YouNewb100 1 week ago
@YouNewb100 Please go to no-self.com. I know it seems like I'm forcing something on you but I'm really trying to help you. It isn't for the religious or the atheists, it works for everyone. I am not religious and it worked for me. Please, you can act like I didn't even send you it and you just found it on your own. I am sending it with the best intentions. It may be long but it is worth it. Please just give it a try.
NeilJunior12 6 days ago
@NeilJunior12 Not really in the need for help at this point but will keep it in mind and thanks anyway.
YouNewb100 6 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie I'm an atheist. I don't think you've ever spoken to one the way you talk. But assuming I'm wrong, try me. I'll show you how hilariously WRONG you are. The truth is on our side.
trajaen534 1 week ago
@trajaen534 Let us start off with the question of how you think life began on earth.
TheSpazzymoonpie 1 week ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie ROFL.. wow how funny. You came here and posted nothing but ad hom straw-man insults at no one particular but your projection of atheists. Christopaths, and any deity believers haven't produced anything to further their claims, not one hint of evidence whatsoever in 2000+ years now. And you have the arrogance to attack them, when you are playing make-believe!! And they're telling you to put up or shut up - at least grow up. You appear frighteningly insecure.
Ghoshul 1 week ago
@Ghoshul You are so badly misinformed of how religion "works". You see, we don't need proof of anything! We have a little something called "FAITH"! It's a wonderful word that you should have learned around the 4th grade. Well while some have not passed elementary school, others know what that word is and also know that religious people don't_need_proof. And I like how you start your responses with "ROFL.." and call ME insecure! Now, how do you believe life started on the earth?
TheSpazzymoonpie 1 week ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved. Faith is a cop-out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can’t be taken on its own merits. Faith isn't a pathway to truth. Faith is gullibility. It's giving up, it's an excuse you use to believe because you don't have a good reason. Joining hands every Sunday in 'faith' is pretty insecure.
Ghoshul 6 days ago
@Ghoshul You're going to rant on about what you perceive as faith and completely ignore my only question? Are you just scared to answer it? And adjusting its views based on what's observed? So a scientific LAW is just tossed aside at one crazy notion?
TheSpazzymoonpie 6 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie Are you cereal? I did answer you, and I didn't rant, I just had to make sure we were talking about the same worthless hand-waving word that is faith. If evidence to the contrary arises, yes you change the science, thus our knowledge and beliefs. Where godbots believe because they were indoctrinated or lack critical thinking or have an emotional tie and need a crutch. There's no good reasons to believe, hence faith. Also known as Fail.
Ghoshul 6 days ago
@Ghoshul Yet you still rant on your own definition of faith! You have this extremely negative mind. You're just like the rest of the idiots that call themselves atheist. Some say religion was created because people feared death. While that may be true for some, it definitely does not apply to the whole of religion. However... atheism is like being afraid of death but instead of worshiping God you attack religions instead. It is common for a scared creature to fight back. Don't worry!
TheSpazzymoonpie 5 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie I didn't rant on my own definition, those are quotes about the meaning of faith by those who know what it is or used to have it, til they realized it's worthlessness and irrationality. I'm like who? How is atheism like what you claim, when it is like, not believing in gods dude. You are becoming more and more dishonest every post and borderline incomprehensible the way you talk, obviously you don't speak with atheists very often, you demonstrate that clearly.
Ghoshul 5 days ago
@Ghoshul And yet again you have failed to answer my question. Here, I'll even repeat it for you. How do you think life started on the earth?
TheSpazzymoonpie 5 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie I said some way that is natural, I don't know how it started, you don't and neither does anyone else. So yeah, I did answer, honestly of course, in that I don't know, but a natural way I think. Tests have shown that some building blocks for life have naturally occurred in a lab setting, not the ones present on an early earth because we can't know those conditions with certainty, but proteins and acids nonetheless with no other inputs but electricity.
Ghoshul 5 days ago
@Ghoshul Yeah, no one knows how life started. But every single theory out there claims that life started from SOMETHING! Not from nothing. While I don't believe most of the readings of the bible literally (and that probably doesn't make me too Christian), I still believe that God created, at least, the building blocks of life such as amino acids, nucleotides, and all that good stuff that all cells are made up of. No matter how you believe life started on earth, it still had to come -
TheSpazzymoonpie 5 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie See I knew it. You haven't thought this stuff out very well. All the material was already present by the time the earth formed. There was never "nothing". That's what creationists, like you believe but you don't realize it. There was nothing, but god was around? Then he made the universe and everything, including the space or time he was in somehow, all from... nothing. No it doesn't "had to come from a higher power : God" This is stupid and just wrong.
Ghoshul 4 days ago 7
@Ghoshul - from a higher power : God. That's the only "logical" explanation for how the building blocks of life came to be. But spontaneous generation is so far-fetched, even for the strongly atheistic scientists. If you really just think, spontaneous generation is nowhere close to an explanation. There 'has' to be a god (or several gods).
TheSpazzymoonpie 5 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie Basically what you're working from is an unsupported assertion and presupposition that there is something bigger, based on nothing. Never once, has a mystery been solved and concluded as supernatural, magic or any of that pseudoscience babble. Always a natural explanation that works. This "godthing" has an empty track record. Miller-Urey experiments demonstrated all natural ingredients in uncertain conditions can produce the building blocks. All naturally.
Ghoshul 4 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie There's nothing logical about special pleading, wishful thinking, and persistent delusions of hierarchical models. There doesn't "have to be" a higher power, a creator or any of these baseless assertions. If you don't know, you don't know. An argument from ignorance does not equal a truth.
Ghoshul 4 days ago
@Ghoshul You're mind is too set on atheism to even think about how stupid your explanation for this is. So you're saying that there was never 'nothing', so therefore those natural ingredients just were? Nothing more to it than that? They were just "there"? Before everything? "An argument from ignorance does not equal a truth." Well, touché! I guess we can both say each others' arguments are just ignorant then, huh? I guess there is no truth, to anything!
TheSpazzymoonpie 4 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie Okay wow. I didn't realize you were this misinformed, or maybe just willingly dishonest. Mind too set on atheism? That makes no sense at all, mind too set on disbelief in gods? Lol w/e that means.. and yes, all the elements and atoms in the universe today, were around before the earth formed you know, this is kinda common sense. How it all got here no one knows, you are aware of this you just want to play god of the gaps, which is childish reasoning.
Ghoshul 3 days ago
@Ghoshul God of the "GAP". Derp. You just said that no one knows how all those atoms got there and no one ever will. Just like how people like you will never accept god because you are too stubborn and/or can't admit you were wrong in just thinking that those 'atoms' were always just "there". You don't know how they got there, but you're SO sure that there is no god.
TheSpazzymoonpie 3 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie No evidence for any gods, anytime, anywhere, ever. This is why I'm pretty sure there's no god. This is called rational. What you have is irrational belief, because you need a security blanket. You need a big sky daddy watching over you, you need the fear of damnation to be what you are. You live the loneliest, most childish existence all b/c you're afraid of death. Deal with reality on it's terms not yours. There was no Jesus, grow a pair and shut the fuck up.
Ghoshul 2 days ago
@Ghoshul Which is actually more childish reasoning on your part.
TheSpazzymoonpie 3 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie Basically what we have here is your inability to reason like an educated individual, because you refuse to learn the science. You were indoctrinated and never learned to critically think about anything for yourself. There's no science in the book of Genesis. Try getting a better education. If you don't accept the big bang or evolutionary theory, you're wrong and that's it. I mean you come on the net and say things like "has to be a god" LOL no child, just no.
Ghoshul 3 days ago 9
@Ghoshul That is just a sad comment to make. You clearly said "theory", did you not? So, now, in YOUR world, THEORY means the truth and only truth? Yes, I have taken the time to learn evolutionary theory and enough about the big bang theory. Yes, they are all possibilities. Did I reject those possibilities? No. And you do what - come on the net and say things like "has to NOT be a god"? Talk about hypocritical? I have come to accept the possibilities of evolution and such.
TheSpazzymoonpie 3 days ago
@Ghoshul And did you even take the slightest consideration that there might actually be a god? NOPE. You are sad. Talk about miserable people. You can't even bear to think that you might be wrong. AND YOU STILL CALL "ME" THE CHILD?!?!? BWAHAHA! I think we're done here.
TheSpazzymoonpie 3 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie Talk about miserable alright. Text-walling nothing but bad argument and unsupported assertions on the internet thinking you might be right when you're demonstrably wrong is pretty sad. Relying on your own gullibility for the truth? You're delusional. You are a simpleton, you sound so angry and small I feel bad for you. Maybe one day you'll make sense and be able to join the adults at the table, but you're several tears from that.
Ghoshul 2 days ago
@TheSpazzymoonpie I'm not sure how life started, no one knows. I think it will be a natural explanation if we ever find out. The reason is because there is nothing to suggest there is any supernatural or higher force in the universe. Every mystery ever solved has been natural; not magic or biblical or any force you want to throw in there. The most likely result will be natural, since nothing tested or observed ever.... ever, has been not natural.
Ghoshul 6 days ago
For there not to be a god ( and I know that's not what Hitchens is saying, just that there's no proof ) then Hawkings would have to be right about the completely ridiculous theory of spontaneous generation. Now, spontaneous generation... wow... it's so stupid and out of the blue even for Hawkings. But let's say it's true and can happen. Would it or would it not go against EVERYTHING you learn in science; that energy and matter can neither be created nor destroyed and all the other related shit?
TheSpazzymoonpie 1 week ago
"God" can only exist while humans do, when humans cease to exist the universe will still be there.
Will "God"?
YouNewb100 1 week ago
@YouNewb100 God will still exists. God isn't this "guy in the sky" that religions make him out to be. God is the source of energy from which the universe came from. Just because humans didn't exist at first doesn't mean anything, it's actually a blessing beings and intelligent enough were able to "come to be" so we could experience this world in better detail. It's just sad that most of us are caught up in our egos and own issues to realize we call come from the same source.
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 Excuse my smelling, but yes. Religion makes God to be based on people but he is wrong, People come from the same source of energy as animals, trees, earth, stars, comets, stars, galaxies, and all other forms of energy in the universe. When people die our energy that makes us alive leaves our bodies and goes back to the originall state and to the source from which it came.
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 Atoms
YouNewb100 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 God exists only as a thought in a human mind, but the human mind exists within the universe. Again... when humans are gone the thought of "God" will also be gone, and the universe will keep going.
It has nothing to do with "egos", It's just facts. "God is the source of energy from which the universe came from" = String theory.
YouNewb100 1 week ago
@YouNewb100 Ego has alot to do with it, considering we have no ego when we are infants. Do you remember what it was like to experience life as it truly is, without your ego in the way? Nope. When you were born, you were a peaceful, fearless being without ego. The moment you, say, got slapped, or saw your parents fight, you learned fear. Fear caused you to learn distrust, and also at the point you began to build an ego by learning and reacting to what you experience around you.
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 Thought is merely an illusion caused by learning and reacting to experiences in life, so the thought of god in people's minds doesn't really matter. A shift is occuring with a new paradigm my friend. There is a way to experience life as it truly is before you become molded by people around you. no-self.com, meditation and deep honesty are some ways to come to this realization. If these are not working for you(that is, if you even bother trying them out), then keep trying.
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 Spelling mistakes, my fault.
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 Can i ask why you're replying to your own comments here?
YouNewb100 1 week ago
@YouNewb100 Messed up, shit happens
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 What's this near-death bullshit? I only believe those who've had actual death experiences.
Taking the word of someone who nearly died is like taking sexual advice from someone who almost had sex.
Syrmatae 1 week ago
@Syrmatae Alright fool, type in Mellen Thomas Benedict on google, the man who died for over an hour. Information he learned from his near death experience helped prove scientific theories true that could not be proven before. Also, go to no-self.com, hopefully you can get it.
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 Did you know if you say "gullible" very slowly it sounds like orange? That website is less than novice and contains no scientific data anywhere at all. And that guy's story falls miles below credible, I'm kind of stunned there's nothing to back up what he claims at all and people buy it, poor suckers you lot are. Being a pusher for new-age ridiculousness and a charlatan is unbecoming and irksome. You should grow up.
Syrmatae 5 days ago
If you are an atheist and know without a doubt it started by chance, then if a rock popped up in mid air, out of nowhere, out of nothing, infront of your computer right now, you know you would think" no way, thats impossible, there has to be a reason"...then why do you think its perfectly acceptable to think an entire universe came out of nowhere by chance? It's the same thing.
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 You don't know what the big bang theory postulates. Religious/Creationists are the ones with the "everything from nothing" dilemma, not naturalists. Atheists don't claim there was nothing to something by chance, where do you get this info? Frankly, you have a lot and I mean a lot of homework and learning to do if these posts of yours accurately represent what you think. Curious, have you had a high school education yet?
trajaen534 1 week ago
@trajaen534 From what I learned in high school, the big bang theory states that the universe was once a ball of dense energy smaller than an atom, that at what point, expaned to create the universe. What does it postulate in your opinion? What are your thoughts on how when poeple die, they are consumed with a bright, warm, mass energy of light? If you think this is DMT induced, why would nearly all people who die hallucinate a near death experience?
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 If they are just hallucinations, wouldn't the brain most likely hallucinate random things instead of a near death experience, every time? Have you read the near death experience of Mellen- Thomas- Benedict, the man who's near death experience lasted an hour after his death? How can the brain hallucinate for this long, much less hallucinate exactly about what happens after dying instead of random junk? I think you should check out the webpage called no-self.com
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 Even though this subject is a complete non sequitur to why I replied to you, just post your evidence for any of this, because I've been around the web and this is not my first NDE rodeo. There's nothing more than speculation concerning this phenomena, there are no raw facts that say this demonstrates anything, other than brains can mess up. It's far more likely a natural event, since every mystery ever solved has been "not magic" or supernatural in origin.
trajaen534 1 week ago
@trajaen534 Not magic and not supernatural in origin if that was misunderstood.
trajaen534 1 week ago
@trajaen534 I never said it was magic. It is simply the energy that makes you alive leave your body at death. Type in Mellen Thomas Benedict, the man who's hour and a half long near death experience contributed to new discoveries in cellular biology. Also, I'm guessing you we're to proud to go to no-self.com?
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 Are you really this dense? There's no evidence anything like that actually happened to this guy. There's no med recs that say he was clinically brain dead, and you keep saying he had an NDE, while dodging everything I asked you. Guess what an NDE is, near-death. Death? No. So please stop the dishonest pleading. You have nothing to back up your nonsense. Tell me where is the test or study that showed he accomplished what he did - due to his NDE..... I'll be waiting.
trajaen534 1 week ago
@NeilJunior12 Okay so you intentionally posted straw-men arguments for what purpose, if you know that's not what the scientific community thinks? And what is this nonsense about people dying and still telling you what they were consumed by? Did you not think these statements through? Please provide sources for this pretty incredible claim of "nearly all people who die, hallucinate about dying first." What are you even trying to say here...?
trajaen534 1 week ago
Why has noone ever considered using to statistics while thinking about the cause of the universe. The odds of the universe created by matter coming out of nothing by chance? In my opinion, 1 to a trillion, probably smaller.
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
Honestly, I believe the stupidest people of all are atheists who 100% believe without a chance the entire Universe, with laws of physics, laws of gravity, love, other emotions, and endless other things started out of nowhere by chance and others are dumb. It's the same thing as going outside and seeing a firework go off in the air and saying "that happened by chance, theres no way someone lit that off unless they're stupid".
NeilJunior12 1 week ago
I think it should be made clear that Chris is trying to disprove Christianity. To say that there is no God, is to say they we are not spiritual beings. So what he argues against is the Christian view of God. People, just like everything else in this world there is some truth surrounded by a whole bunch of bullshit. So it is more likely that there are many truths then just one truth. Science and Religion should be hand in hand. One tells how the other tells why.
mjlane420 1 week ago
@mjlane420 Lol "One tells how the other tells why." Really? I'd love to know why you think this. Also, what are "spiritual beings" as opposed to.. physical ones? How do you determine the difference?
trajaen534 1 week ago
The reason people ignore God is because they chose too. They willingly are ignorant , they request it; to their own destruction... The creation its' self speaks of God. Not to mention the love letter He has authored to everyone of us. The world blinds people to this truth. The blind leading the blind. Christ teachings , if you care to open your mind ,is the only real truth. Learn of Christ, The Savior of this world. And repent of your sins. Only then can you begin to understand to please God.
JDrosa1982 1 week ago
@JDrosa1982
Oh please, shut the f*** up you freak.
They only ignorant people here are people like you, by lack of knowledge the only thing you can do is believe in a god. because YOU are ignorant.
Marck2895 1 week ago
Anyone ignorant enough to claim a 600 year old man traversed the entire planet and collected 2 (or 4) of every species is a fool. So your mythical god flooded the earth with mass murder as his revenge?
The bible is immoral, barbaric, and pathetic.
northoforacle 1 week ago
Any \\//\\//ay FuCk God on my _|_
TheIwanaloveyou 2 weeks ago
@685411 You take a truly ignorant position! If you promote the belief in a God that enforces a DAMNATION for unbelief, it is incombent upon you to prove the existence of the God you promote!. You are most likely a TYPICAL Christian with the associated doctrines. Study the Dead Sea Scrolls for a suppressed view of what Christ truly taught, not the accepted teachings of your church. Just so you know, ALL Christian churches are CATHOLIC. Do your Berean duty! The council of NICEA made the BIBLE!
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husssinator 2 weeks ago
There is no need to proof or give evidence on the existence of GOD.
GOD gave us a Freewill and that is its either you believe in Him or you Don't,n there is no need for us human to waste our time in debating it.
I believe Mr.C.Hitchens-now that he has passed away knows that there is a GOD.
68541l 2 weeks ago
Mr. Hitchens - a man of reason and major league intelligence.
The christian here - well, he think it is ok to beat children. What a sadistic, indoctrinated, self loathing stupid folklore worshipper.
sjatox 2 weeks ago 2
RIP the great Christopher Hitchens
jjgotice21 2 weeks ago 2
Fucking hell, what a pain in the arse coming into a conversation; now I have to find the right page.
LordHillaryJoice 2 weeks ago
@FarmBoyRecords, Duppybruh makes a good point that you seem to bypass...Duppybruh's not owning or stoning is in itself a SELF evident action of premier behavior over those who would own or stone. IF there is a God, that essence would ultimately be the standard setter should IT decide to set standards. Duppybruh simply compares his reality to the ACCEPTED Biblical accounts and acceptances. I too have not owned or stoned, my reality is more moral than one who has....God or none!
husssinator 2 weeks ago
Riddle me this please @FarmBoyRecords....while I personally believe in a Higher power, I am dismayed with the typical CHRISTIAN point of views. Christianity in and of itself IS A CULT by definition. Just because so many believe esentially the same thing, doesn't prove that what they mutually believe is true. So...if Christians are supposed to be emulating the God they believe in, why are they not supposed to behave in anger, jealousy or to exact vengeance? Biblical attributes of God.
husssinator 2 weeks ago
In my opinion, Hitchens won around 1:30.
jedimasterpickle3 2 weeks ago
Hitchens slaughtered him.
nomadicone69 2 weeks ago 4
unfair interview....on the atheist battleground.
but the Pastor had some good points I never thought about before....Hitchens just rambled on his same garbage.
FarmboyRecords 2 weeks ago
@FarmboyRecords this wasnt an athiest battleground. and if you cant convince me of an all powerful god, who created me and anything/everything ive ever seen/heard/smelled/tasted/touched, then you're pushin a shitty story on me. Asking whether or not someone actually belives in talking serpants and noahs arc is not garbage. Explaining that a benevolent god commanded genocide, and gave us our morals, even though ours are better, is not garbage. (plus the pastor has god on his side...hardly unfair)
DuppyBruh 2 weeks ago
@DuppyBruh
Your telling me that Joy Behar would not be sympathetic to the atheist over the Christian? Give me a break!
I don't have to convince you of anything. It is self evident. Just like I can't convince you of your own conscious, its there. Whether you choose to suppress truth it totally up to you.
That's funny that you say YOUR morals are better. How can you quantify such a statement? On what basis are your morals better? Who is the ultimate judge of such a statement? YOU?
FarmboyRecords 2 weeks ago
@FarmboyRecords Well according to you it is incredibly self evident that god is the ultimate judge of anything and everything anyone does or thinks....how could i not see it before?its so obvious now that you tell me I dont need evidence, because everything is evidence.
And yea 'I' say my morals are better, ive never stoned anyone or owned a jewish boy as a house slave (but god is the judge of everything, so hopefully he can explain why killing is only ok when he gives the orders)
DuppyBruh 2 weeks ago
@DuppyBruh
Excuse me but explain how "not stoning anyone, or owning a Jewish boy as a house slave" makes you morally superior to the one who gave you your conscience.
If you really believe there is no God. Then you have to also LOGICALLY conclude there is no standard of perfection. In such a universe, stoning someone to death is the same and NOT stoning someone to death. You can't really win this argument. Because God BY DEFINITION is the RULES.
FarmboyRecords 2 weeks ago
@FarmboyRecords It is obvious that perfection is not a part of reality but a view of some scenario or object. And NOT stoning someone to death i suppose could be a sin if god said so...funny thing is, HE/SHE NEVER FUCKING SHOWS UP TO HELP OUT. You could argue that there is no logical right and wrong of morality because morality will always fall into a semantic definition of perceptual justice/injustice. Now get your all powerful god to clear up some of his/her dumbass rules.
DuppyBruh 2 weeks ago
@FarmboyRecords and if you belive in a certain god then you also LOGICALLY cannot conclude that god is good. God is all powerful and made everything, yet no one can see him, talk to him, or face him without being killed by his all powerful might. But god is everything and made everything and it is 'self evident' that god is everywhere and everything. So technically the 3 debating in this video should drop dead from viewing god's awesome power, due to being in his direct presence constantly
DuppyBruh 2 weeks ago
You know something is wrong when "Joy Behar" appears above "Joy Division" in a google serach.
FFS, we don't need these endless arguments about God & religion with American fuckwits. Cancer isn't all bad after all.
satanidomini 3 weeks ago
You understand why Hitchens emigrated when you watch videos like this. In Britain you POSSIBLY could find someone who talks about Romanian judges in Olympic diving competitions re a discussion about the Christian God, but NOWHERE in Britain will you EVER find a tv presenter who says "right", as if it's perfectly natural to include Romanian judges in diving competitions in a discussion about God...because he/she would be sectioned under the mental health act of 1983 & lose their job as a result.
satanidomini 3 weeks ago
i could tell what the answer was by just looking at the likes :'(
mirorbalmacfisto 3 weeks ago
Seems to me these guys are not christians. They're using the holy scriptures for a profit. If we want to know if there is a God all we need to do is read and study the voice of God and that is the Word of God. No wonder hell's borders are enlarged.
AshMbrs1 3 weeks ago
I'm very glad that the interviewer lady scoffed and laughed at the pastor. With religious people like that, all you can do, all you should do, is laugh at their STUPID STUPID beliefs. They are not worthy of respect. Sorry
ManofManyPasswords 3 weeks ago 2
o.O what did that retarded pastor just say?
wubs23 3 weeks ago
"Gid is self-evident... To those who believe." That's the most fucking idiotic thing I've heard all day.
GoblinXXX 3 weeks ago 4
If it were self-evident that a god exists, there would be no atheists. Oh, it's self-evident to people who already believe it exists. How is it that Wilson doesn't see how inane that statement is?
YY4Me133 3 weeks ago
@YY4Me133 And of course, Allah is self-evident to the Muslims, and Krishna is self-evident to the Hindus, and the Invisible Pink Unicorn is self-evident to me. Inane and utterly meaningless.
GoblinXXX 3 weeks ago
She's so trashy and unprofessional. As an interviewer you should treat your guests with respect and dignity and not laugh at them and mock them, whatever your own beliefs are. Her Italian accent is horrific too.
1farahnaz 3 weeks ago
Douglas Willson fails to understand, that every human being is born atheist. They are the ones who claim existance of something. If person claims existance of something, he must proove it. If I claim that there is one more planet in our star system, I must prove it.
ObjectiveImpact 4 weeks ago 4
and you get to like it lmao rip hitchens
DZ252 4 weeks ago 2
if 85% of americans are christian ..
WHY DOES IT SEEM THAT 95% of youtube is HARDCORE-ATHEIST ???
Thejadjadjad 1 month ago
@Thejadjadjad 85% of Americans aren't Christian, and youtube isn't solely used by Americans... derp. But maybe to try and shed light on the difference I would guess the adage about 'the internet is where religion goes to die' holds somewhat true; because information is free-flowing and readily available. It's not so easy to indoctrinate and brainwash with a world wide web full of real information and new ideas - so accessible and integrated to daily life.
Ghoshul 4 weeks ago
@Ghoshul i stand corrected 85% of americans believe in God. 70% are christians and 20% are strict eveangelical and ofcourse i know the internet isnt only americans but a decent part of it .......anyways its EXTREMELY rare to see a religious top comment but its almost everytime we see an angry atheist comment
Thejadjadjad 4 weeks ago
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@Thejadjadjad "anyways its EXTREMELY rare to see a religious top comment but its almost everytime we see an angry atheist comment"
May I suggest that this is because the religious people are the ones doing the stuff that pisses people off? Would you agree, for example, that if I took a dump on the windshield of your car, and then told you I should be thankful because God had revealed to him that it was right, you'd have reason to be angry, and that my justification is worthless?
Gnomefro 3 weeks ago
@Thejadjadjad That is roughly how I feel when superstitious nuts come and quote the Bible or the Qur'an at me to defend atrocities, giving themselves special rights, or opposing important research or health work. Insofar as these clowns expect to be taken seriously without a shred of evidence I think I have the right to be angry at them.
If you're going to be a self righteous bastard imposing your will on others, may I suggest at least having evidence that you're right?
Gnomefro 3 weeks ago
The Pastor believes God is self-evidently true but murder is not self-evidently wrong.
/Facepalm
Bremerxxxx 1 month ago 26
Just a nice fact,
There is prove that nature weed bushes were growing around Betlehem, and Jesus saw a burning bush according to the Bible and saw visions or something(not sure what I never cared to look into it) while watching it.So it is a big chance he saw a burning weed bush and became stoned and saw delusions.
So are you guys believing a weird stonded beary? according to me, yup.
Marck2895 1 month ago
@Marck2895 Nah... if he was stoned then the sucker would've made more sense.
I've got some friends who worked on a kibbutz in Israel when they were younger. They said beer was cheap, and datura grew everywhere.
Not hard to work out where all their bullshit originated.
Tripped out bronze age fools.
dave474c 1 month ago
More than all the stars,check out cargo cults.
is not earth hell?Just look at the news.BBBUuurrorprok speaking in tongues.
kingharryannis 1 month ago
Hitchens now has a higher understanding of all these topics.
k0smon 1 month ago
Both Hitchens and Pastor Wilson are intelligent people. The only idiot here is Joy Behar.
petejuggling 1 month ago
i just think there is alot of confusion about the bible i mean look how old it is. it truly is a remarkable book i mean there isnt one like it. but its so old that its written for a nieve population from literally Moses time. i think you have to read the bible with more complexity in today's world. think about it logically and with reason. remember this came from the time of no cars no technology etc. but there is a message and its beyond the people of its time there is a higher power behind it
northwestbomber 1 month ago
Although the Pastors arguments are wrong; they are invalid to his argument, especially the one about the Car. But at least he was humble.
ThatBritishGenius 1 month ago
It saddens me that at the time of this interview, the poor and brilliant Hitchens had no idea of his horrible fate. RIP, I hope this brilliant man is remembered throughout history as one of our species finest thinkers.
MyMyMyAccount 1 month ago
@MyMyMyAccount what are you on about "POOR " dont be silly ,:)
kevrs2 1 month ago
@kevrs2 poor in a metaphorical sense not a financial one. Poor in fitness perhaps, seeing as cancer was raging within him at that very moment, yet he had no idea.
MyMyMyAccount 3 weeks ago
It is just a book.A book lost in translation as relevant a goblins and fairies.There is no heaven and there is no hell so get over it.All the children sexually abused by the church are going through hell on earth.Get your head out of your cake hole.
kingharryannis 1 month ago
i feel as if i could've done a better job at defending Christianity than Wilson did. man that was rough.
hunterdoesmagic 1 month ago
Wow, a dishonest pastor using a car as an argument from design. Who knew.
leffehoegaarden 1 month ago
I am a atheist ,But who would want to go to heaven .Give me that red hot hell lots of barbecue,booze ,party party,and hot hot dirty chicks,give me some of that baby.
kingharryannis 1 month ago
@kingharryannis yeah you're stupid too i see. go on to hell if you want to then but you wont see hot chicks, barbecue, booze, and partying. what book have you read tells you that goes on in hell. all you will know throughout eternity is pain and suffering and regret
shabbat73 1 month ago
@shabbat73
Not a single book can say what hell is like because no one has been there because hell doens't exists.
Marck2895 1 month ago
@Marck2895 ;;; How about all those NDEers that have hellish experiences.
k0smon 1 month ago
@k0smon
No idea what you are talking about but I assume it is crap.
Marck2895 1 month ago
@Marck2895 ::: You made the crappy statement that there was no hell. You might want to use your crappy eyes to read the crappy book "A Wanderer in the Spirit Lands" which will tell your crappy brain a few things about the crappy afterlife. Have a crappy day.
k0smon 1 month ago
@k0smon You do realize that NDEs are near-death experiences right? Lol that means they did not die. And that book you mentioned is a story, a second-hand account of a subjective delusion, you know - not reality based or supported by ANY evidence, much like the Bible. You made it on the internet and you didn't take the time to research the book, or NDEs, nor look up scientific evidence of spirits or souls (there is none). Your post is absolute crap. You have a good day now.
trajaen534 1 month ago
@trajaen534 ::: Your denials and refusal to examine evidence is crap. Hire a medium and talk to Hitchens who can enlighten you on how things really are.
k0smon 1 month ago
@k0smon Can you give me the evidence? The book you mentioned is free online to read, and has no empirical backing whatsoever, so why do you believe the author? Why hasn't anyone published papers or done experiments? Hire a medium? You believe in psychics as well, you really are horribly misinformed. And I really doubt you have any idea what evidence is, so why not define it for me. What do you think evidence is, in your own words?
trajaen534 1 month ago
@k0smon
Hm.. mister here believes everything what is being told to him. why don't you do some research by yourself? If the afterlife is sóó great why don't you put an bullet in your head to discover the magnificant heaven!
By the way, can you answer this?
If you believers think the Big Bang is nonsens because nothing can come out of nothing, who created god then? Did god just magically pop up?
God lives in your fantasy, not in reality.
Amen to myself.
Marck2895 1 month ago
@Marck2895 ::: I have researched the afterlife for years and am assured I have found the way it is. Soon after spiritualism became popular, there were those who offed themselves to get to heaven. They regretted it later when they realize the problems they had caused those left behind. The spirits recommend highly against that. After all, isn't ~80 years a short enough time to be here? As soon as your dog speaks English , I will explain to you about God. We don't have the capacity to understand.
k0smon 1 month ago
@k0smon You said we don't understand God, then how do you believe in it? You can't believe something that you are ignorant about. You have nothing to compare or define God as/with? Then you're talking about nothing. There is no difference in what you stated and someone else just making it up.
Syrmata 1 month ago
@k0smon
Everytime I read your reply's, I'm almost laughing.
Explain to me why there is a god and how he was created, if you can't explain I will no longer listen and that you have lost here.
Marck2895 1 month ago
@k0smon Bazinga! Thanks for the LOL.
TomVodkaCollins 1 month ago
@k0smon Your brain releases a chemical before youre about to die that promotes hallucinations, delusion, and euphoria. all these hellish and heavenly NDE are simply a fabrication of your own subconscious and this chemical. DONE. People underestimate the power of the brain and should give it more credit for it is limiting us as a species.
geetarthrasher 1 week ago
@geetarthrasher ::: The experts who study those who have had NDEs are fully aware of DMT and its actions. They have determined that 02 lack, chemicals, drugs, anesthetics, hallucinations etc cannot acount for NDEs. Reports by those who have had out of body experiences with their NDE, accurately describing their surroundings and happenings, just cannot be explained away as drug reactions.
k0smon 1 week ago
@k0smon yorue aware that alot of out of body experiences occur via sleep paralysis, your brain also releases chemicals while you sleep. When you have something as powerfully delusional as your mind it would be ignorant to think it incomprehensible to build these scenarios in a near death.
geetarthrasher 1 week ago
@geetarthrasher :::You are speaking of OOBs not connected with NDEs. When you have an NDE with associated OOB, where accurate reports are given by the experiencer, you cannot blame that on drugs. The person's mind had to be in visual contact with what he/she saw in order for the report to be accurate.
k0smon 1 week ago
@k0smon Ive stared death in the face many times to list a few, i got into a bad car accident without a seatbelt totalling the car in a suspended off ramp in which car fell off about 50 feet. I wouldve flown out of the car but my leg caught in the steering wheel and my head cracked the windshield only. Another time, I had played the hero to a girl that was getting harassed by a bunch of drunks in halloween and get the shit kicked out of me, i was out for 2 days. Guess what my NDE was:chinatown CA
geetarthrasher 1 week ago
@geetarthrasher ::: Interesting. Chinatown. Did you actually have an NDE? Perhaps you were just thrown into an OOB experience and actually did visit Chinatown. LA or SF?
k0smon 1 week ago
Enjoy life,eat will,travel,bonk,drink good beer and fine wine,read good literature we only have one shot at it,cheers Chris mate ,you lived your life well the way you wanted to and did not let the bastards grid you down.
kingharryannis 1 month ago
This is soooooo weak! Where is Ray Comfort? or William lane Craig? or Voddie Bacham? Lord have mercy!
EXALTEDDIRT 1 month ago
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How many Lies do you think you have told in your life? Have you ever stolen anything, even something small? Have you ever looked at a person with lust? Ever used GOD's name as a curse word? If so, GOD sees you as a Lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart. The Guilty will end up in Hell. That's not GOD's will. You broke GOD's laws, but Jesus paid your fine! (IF) you Repent, and trust in Christ alone, GOD will forgive every sin you have ever committed, and grant you Eternal life!
EXALTEDDIRT 1 month ago
RIP Kitchens, the greatest mind of modern atheism
comradebashu 1 month ago
- Do you believe in noe's arch?
- Absolutely!! the bible says so.
- Do you really believe that we are descendants of adam and Eve ?
- Yeah sure, Jesus said so.
- Do you buy god is watching and monitoring everything we do ?.
- Of course !! It´s written in the bible !!
What a waste of time... Anyone that takes the bible stories literally is either a dumb dogmatic or just mentally insuficient.
krause79 2 months ago
@krause79 watch finger prints of god, nde told from all around and multiple eyewitness of jesus life. if you say your in pursuit of truth you'll watch. don't trust matt dilluhunty he messes up. 1.bible doesn't say earth flat khug=spherical oval earth. 2.bible doesn't call bats birds owap=wing creatures and zeitigeist has been debunked.
MegaGangstaparadise 2 months ago
I like this station more than I do Fox.
PeterDeprez 2 months ago
You have to get your head examined if you believe any of the crazy shit that happens in the bible. Come on, can hear what you are saying?!
TheSchnorkey 2 months ago
AND YOU CAN GET TO LIKE IT! LOL
zulubeatz817 2 months ago
As a Catholic, the only way you can really debate about God being real is
1) Where did the universe originate from
2) Where did the physics of the universe come from
If you debate about any other thing you're probably going to loose
whatdouthink96 2 months ago
@whatdouthink96
If one doesnt know where the universe came from, the other still has the burden of proving where they think the universe came from.
88Keyz101 2 months ago