@TeslaDRay Tucker...Tillis...Green...Smith...Ruddock...Douglas...Holifield...all still standing in round 10 vs Tyson and you think the never Ko'ed Ali would be gone by then ? LMFAO
well you obviously know more than i do. i'm not a boxing nut but have seen espn classics of both enough to make that decision, but hell what do i know. you had ali with his speed and stamina, making half his opponents punch out, but if ali got caught in tyson's flurries, who knows?
i like both boxers a lot but if both boxers are at their prime, I think Tyson would have beat Ali IMO. Ali was fast and moved impeccably but if Tyson cornered you....that's it!
@charms71 No way Tyson would have beaten any Ali ever, Tyson crumbled when anyone stood up to him, watch his fight with Tony Tucker in his prime and watch him get rocked he barely won.
@charms71 He never would have hit the guy, Ali would dance around and take a few shots and Tyson would tire out just like Foreman did. Tyson wasn't a long distance fighter and he wouldn't have KO's Ali ever unless he just got lucky.
@adrenacrumb " okay Tyson fanboy whatever you say"
...you must be telepathic to have read my mind that way. At this rate, you'll solve the mystery behind the large hadron collider and the big bang [CERN] if you know what that is.
@charms71 Listen Buster Douglas wouldn't have beaten Ali in a million years. Tyson was a chump anyone stood up to him. No I don't know what either of those are you are too smart for me, you must watch the tv and stuff.
@adrenacrumb like when Oscar knocked him out? Or when Smokin' Joe pulled the upset? Don't forget that Joe was ready to come out to the next round when the ref ruled him out [...and all the while Ali was yelling to his trainer "cut these gloves off...i'm done"]. Remember that favoritism?
@charms71 Buster never would have beaten Frazier either, you are just trying to confuse the matter now. Douglas smoked Tyson, wouldn't have ever happened to Ali.
@charms71 I find it very hard to believe anyone who has watched the Tony Tucker fight thinks he would beat Ali, Tyson buckled anytime anyone actually stood up to him.
@adrenacrumb The same way you claim to have extensive knowledge of boxing and thus extrapolate with subjective opinion...so can I but I chose to resist a fruitless back and forth.
@adrenacrumb Against Tucker Tyson was lifted off his feet with an uppercut and wasn't fazed for moment. Barely won? Tucker won 4 rounds at most. Barely won is a phrase best used for numerous Ali wins, like Norton, Young, Jones etc. Can you see Tyson going life and death with Ken Norton, Karl Mildenberger and Doug Jones? Nope neither can I. All those guys were able to hit Ali but Tyson wouldn't? Right... IMO Tyson would KO him like Biggs or Ali would hold like Smith and lose a decision.
@FlaviusConstantius Ali won all of those fight by unanimous decision or tko except for Norton and he was into decline by then. Are you really going to sit here and tell me Buster Douglas would have given a 24 year old Ali any trouble whatsoever?
@adrenacrumb Sure Ali officially won those fights, except a lot of people who watched them thought he didn't. All were a much closer call than Tyson-Tucker. I had him losing to Jones and Young and at the very least he should be 1-2 against Norton. Not exactly inspiring.
Considering Doug Jones, Ernie Terrell and George Chuvalo gave young Ali a rough fight I'm pretty sure a motivated, in shape 6ft5 240lb boxer puncher like Douglas would too. Did Ali even face anyone like that?
@adrenacrumb For me Buster was 6'4" at least, but Boxrec lists him as 6'3"1/2 so your stats are wrong as well. In any event a 1" difference in height is not exactly important here.
Chuvalo also had 18 losses and lost to almost every great/near great he faced, and a few not so greats...
@FlaviusConstantius I know right, we can just make statistics up for every boxer in history right? Hell let's start changing their biographies too. Buster Douglas was a trained astronaut, did you know that?
@adrenacrumb Jeez... the topic is Tyson v Ali and you're arguing the toss about whether Buster Douglas is 6'3 or 6'4. I hope he isn't actually 6'5 because that would really put a spanner in the works.
Have you seen the Chuvalo fight? Ali was fighting George off him all night and went to hospital pissing blood. Doesn't bode well for a Tyson fight.
@FlaviusConstantius I'm a little bit confused on why you are saying the Chuvalo fight was life and death, Ali beat him on score cards by more than 10 points. What is your definition of life and death?
@FlaviusConstantius Douglas was 230 when he fought Tyson, Tyson was 220. Ali was 220 for Foreman. Douglas never would have beaten Ali in a million years. Ali let Chuvalo get close to him, he was intentionally taking shots because he wanted to be the first guy to ko him.
@adrenacrumb Leon Spinks would never have beaten Tyson in a million years. Even the totally shot Tyson who lost to McBride and Williams would have beaten Leon. And bear in mind that Tyson was years removed from any championship form when those fights happened, whereas Ali was the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world when he got whooped by little Leon.
@FlaviusConstantius Meh 36 year old Ali isn't even worth bringing up. He should have gone into retirement a lot sooner, he had already started becoming a zombie.
@adrenacrumb Funny but you constantly bring up Douglas when it's obvious Tyson wasn't the same fighter. Even on their worst night as champion Tyson, Louis, Dempsey, Liston, Frazier, Lewis, Holyfield, Klitschko and co would not have lost to Leon.
@adrenacrumb No his prime lasted about 5 years. It's obvious just from watching the Douglas fight that Tyson wasn't the same fighter who dominated the division from 86-89. Wilfred Benitez was a 3 time champion by age 21 and washed up by age 25. It happens.
@FlaviusConstantius Okay well how about this, Ali was the greatest boxer that ever lived by far and Tyson maybe for a couple of years could have maybe hit Ali hard enough to last a full fight.
@adrenacrumb Ali is the most overrated boxer ever. Almost KO'd by 180lb Cooper. Out-boxed by 190lb Jones. Struggled against Mildenberger and Chuvalo. Won the title from an old Liston who was KOd by an invisible punch. Gift stoppages against Bonavena and Lyle. Beat up by Joe Frazier in the biggest fight of his career. Fluke win against Foreman. Needed gift decisions to beat Young, Norton and Shavers. Lost his title to a novice with 7 pro fights. GOAT indeed. Tyson would knock him into next week.
@FlaviusConstantius A Tyson fan saying Ali is overrated, that is... that's a whole new level of laughability. I would name people Tyson fought but none of them are even worth mentioning. I think cus had a pretty good idea when he was 18, what Tyson are you talking about here, like from 1 match or 1 year, what Tyson are you thinking about here? So the guy who taught Tyson absolutely everything he knew about boxing didn't realize how overrated Ali was? You are out of your mind.
@adrenacrumb And I could name some people Ali fought in title fights, that'd be a real hoot. Cus had his opinion, Eddie Futch had his opinion. Gene Tunney thought Ali "mediocre" and Nat Fleischer said Ali did not belong among the top 10 greatest heavyweights but I suppose you think they knew nothing either.
@adrenacrumb In the 80s Tyson did a show with Harry Carpenter where they discussed the great heavyweights. Tyson said he couldn't see anyone beating Louis, including Ali. I'd like to see where Cus said Ali was the greatest boxer ever. In AKA Cassius Clay he kept riling Ali by pointing out his flaws. I think he also picked Frazier to win the FOTC.
BTW. Do you think Gene Tunney, Eddie Futch and Nat Fleischer were 'fucking retarded'?
@FlaviusConstantius Well I hate to admit where I saw that interview but you can hear him say exactly what I typed in his interview with Oprah after the Tyson movie came out.
@FlaviusConstantius Tyson discussed how he and his mentor D'Amato would watch classic boxing matches everyday for years. "We'd watch all the great fighters," stated Tyson, adding: "I would ask him, 'How do you beat them?'" D'Amato who was certainly a man of great wisdom had a formula on how to beat any fighter except for one.... the great Muhammad Ali.
Tyson told Oprah's TV audience: "No one could beat Muhammad Ali, he (D'Amato) thought." Tyson added: "I agree with him."
@adrenacrumb Funny but D'Amato used to talk a lot about Ali's flaws. Watch his debate with Ali in AKA Cassius Clay. He sure didn't think Ali was unbeatable back then.
Tunney made numerous statements like that about Ali in the 60s and 70s. Said he was "not much of a fighter" and predicted Louis would KO Ali in 3 rounds. Sugar Ray Robinson also rated Louis over Ali. Oh, and Ali himself said he would lose to Tyson, but I suppose they're all retards as well, eh?
@FlaviusConstantius Ali didn't really say that unless he was being polite. Did he ever say it when Tyson wasn't right there? They were obviously just joking in that 'debate'.
@adrenacrumb Ah, so it's the end of the debate when Tyson says Ali was unbeatable but when Ali says he would lose to Tyson he was only joking. I love it.
@FlaviusConstantius Ali wasn't there when he said it he wasn't just being polite. Also I don't think Ali ever actually spoke the words Tyson was the greatest, feel free to show me and not just kinda half ass pointing when someone asked him whil Tyson was there.
@FlaviusConstantius The only time I have seen him saying anything close to that is when Arsenio Hall asked him and he said egrsjtjhigwhyryunrtyjethrsgresdtghntjuymynut.
@FlaviusConstantius Yea you would have to do that. I can see how he was probably a better judge before he had been in the ring very much than after an entire career of boxing, makes sense. Also the man who taught him absolutely everything he knew about boxing was probably wrong. Well done.
@adrenacrumb Cus to Ali: "I believe that Joe Louis would beat you". This was just before the Frazier fight. Tyson made those comments in 1987 after years of living with Cus and poring through Jimmy Jacobs' fight collection. He made no mention of Cus telling him Ali was unbeatable and instead said he couldn't see anyone beating Louis, even Ali.
@FlaviusConstantius Yea him saying Cus told him 'no one could beat Ali' didn't mean he thought Ali couldn't be beaten. You can fuck off now. Cus and him were joking you tard, would have made great TV if cus just sat there and kissed his ass for an hour.
@adrenacrumb Really, cos that's all most Ali documentaries do. Very convenient how all these guys who said negative things about Ali were only joking. I suppose Gene Tunney was a real prankster as well lol. Only to be expected from someone who thinks Ali was the greatest boxer ever. Why? Because he said so?
@FlaviusConstantius You are being seriously retarded right now. You said anyone who thought Ali was the greatest knows nothing about boxing. He did say the Ali was the greatest so what you are bringing up doesn't even matter. If he thought at any point Ali was the greatest then to you he should be retarded for ever saying that. So you are an idiot.
@FlaviusConstantius Yea because it's not like they were laughing the entire time talking or anything.... I really don't see why you would respond, you have already made yourself look stupid enough.
@adrenacrumb And you said anyone who thinks Ali is overrated is retarded, so presumably you regard Gene Tunney, Eddie Futch and Nat Fleischer as retards. I note you completely ignored what they had to say about your 'Greatest of all Time'. Anyone with a modicum of boxing knowledge would laugh at the idea of Ali being the greatest boxer ever. Greater than Sugar Ray, Sam Langford, Henry Armstrong? Have you even heard of those guys?
@FlaviusConstantius Yes I do think they are retarded. It doesn't even matter what they thought, Tyson said he was the greatest, that means you must believe he doesn't know shit about boxing so how is someone who doesn't know shit about boxing going to be the greatest boxer?
@adrenacrumb Great, you think Gene Tunney, Nat Fleischer and Eddie Futch were retarded. Do you even know who those guys are? Tbh, you should have stuck to arguing the toss about Buster Douglas' height and weight.
@adrenacrumb Quoted in the St Joseph News Press Nov 20 1965: "He's not much of a fighter. But he's about the best there is around now." LA Times Oct 31 1970: he opined that Ali was not better than Jack Johnson or Jess Willard (!!) and also predicted that Ali would lose the upcoming Frazier fight. He called Ali "mediocre" in an old Ring Magazine which I don't have to hand. You can find loads of similar quotes in newspapers from that time.
@FlaviusConstantius He said Ali was the best all the way through his career. After the Tyson movie came out he did an interview talking about How D'Amoto would train him by showing how he would beat all boxers through history and he asked how you would beat Ali and he said you don't. Then he was asked if he thought he could beat Ali and said probably not.
@FlaviusConstantius Myself and about 80% of the world who didn't grow up Tyson fanboys sure as shit wouldn't be putting any money on Tyson if that ever happened though.
@adrenacrumb Mind you don't bet the farm. In fantasy land there are no hero worshiping judges giving Ali shut out wins in fights he looked awful in. Myself and all those who didn't grow up Ali nuthuggers and have actually watched all his fights without the blinkers will be betting on Tyson.
@FlaviusConstantius Let me see if I can remember what Tyson's mentor D'Amoto said would happen. I believe he said no man in the world could have beaten Ali in his prime. Even Tyson's mentor wouldn't have had money on Tyson so you can keep living the dream but I really think it's pretty clear who would have won.
@adrenacrumb Cus died when Tyson was 18 so he was hardly in a position to judge how a peak Tyson would do against Ali. Eddie Futch regarded Ali as a limited fighter: "his defense was monolithic. He pulled back. He very seldom ducked, he very seldom blocked a punch.... and he never threw a body punch." And he'd know, he trained 4 guys who beat Ali.
@FlaviusConstantius When the hell was Tyson in his prime, you people are crazy as shit. You all act like only the matches between June 4th and August 15th of 1985 are the matches that count for Tyson. Was Tyson in his prime for about 12 seconds?
@FlaviusConstantius All Chuvalo did the whole fight was try to get close and start punching his kidneys. Not exactly sure why Ali let him fight like that but I can only imagine it was because he already said he was going to ko him early.
@adrenacrumb Please, if Ali could have danced circles around Chuvalo and knocked him out in 3 rounds he would have done. He didn't because he couldn't. Instead George was in his face all night, pounding his body and making Ali look anything but the 'greatest boxer ever'. Ali was peeing blood afterwards. You think he went through all that just because he wanted to? LOL With nothing but a good chin and a decent hook a limited guy like Chuvalo set the template for beating Ali.
@adrenacrumb Ali didn't 'let him fight like that'. Chuvalo fought the way he always fought and Ali had not the punch to keep him off, so he just had to tough it out. You really think Ali would intentionally let George whale away at his ribs if he could have danced around him? Swap Chuvalo for Tyson that night, an immeasurably quicker, harder-hitting and more talented pressure fighter and it's not hard to see Tyson winning.
@FlaviusConstantius So you are going to tell me Ali let him punch him in the kidneys 14 times in a row without doing anything whatsoever except grit his teeth when he could have easily pulled away? Please, watch the fight, he was trying to tire him out for an early KO they even said that before the fight.
@adrenacrumb A tactic Ali used constantly later in his career. He only tried that show of bravado once against Chuvalo. He wasn't on the ropes just for the fun of it, he was on the ropes because Chuvalo had him pinned there. Like I said, if Ali could have danced circles around Chuvalo and won without taking a single punch he would have done so. He didn't because he couldn't.
@FlaviusConstantius No he wouldn't have done that, as I already said Ali was challenging himself, he wanted to show the world he was the greatest and decided to go toe to toe with Chuvalo to prove he could take an opponent like that. Ali would not have danced around and beat him like that, that wasn't Ali.
@adrenacrumb If that was the case then why, when he realized he wasn't going to KO Chuvalo in 3 rounds (shock horror) did he not get up on his toes and give a dancing masterclass? He wanted Chuvalo to pound him, just for the fun of it? Please. Funny how Ali could dance circles around washed up guys like Folley and Williams but as soon as he looks like crap against a prime opponent it's only because he wanted to. I suppose he also let Cooper knock him down just to challenge himself?
@FlaviusConstantius You can see Ali telling him to keep hitting him, you don't let someone punch you 14 freaking times in a row for no reason. Chuvalo already had the reputation of being someone no one could knock down and Ali said he was going to do it early, it is obvious what he was doing.
@adrenacrumb So Ali's in there with a guy known for having an iron chin and good stamina, and Ali - an average puncher - decided he was going to KO this guy early, and he was going to do it by tiring him out by letting him whale away at his kidneys? That's a pretty dumb strategy for the so-called 'greatest boxer ever'.
@FlaviusConstantius Ali could have just danced around Chuvalo all night but instead he decided to challenge himself and be the first person to take him down and Chuvalo ended up being tougher than he thought. If you watch the first rounds he just holds Chuvalo's head and waits for him to punch himself out on his kidneys, Ali always was and always will be the greatest boxer ever.
@FlaviusConstantius Buster won fighting just like a lesser Ali in that fight, he was loose, dancing around, had all of his shots on the mark, took his time and wore him out and then knocked him retarded. Don't see how Douglas would have been much different than Ali if they would have fought. He looked just like Ali in that match.
@adrenacrumb Nobody made more mistakes than Ali. Trade 180lb Henry Cooper for Tyson and Ali takes the 10 count in 63. Tyson was just as fast as Ali, hit much harder, had better skills, and possessed Ali's kryptonite, a quick powerful left hook. While Ali was struggling with the likes of Jones, Cooper, Chuvalo and Mildenberger in his prime Tyson was dominating and blasting out huge, durable heavies. Tyson beat numerous Ali clones while Ali struggled with Tyson-esque guys. Ali down and out in 6.
@FlaviusConstantius Buster didn't have the heart for the rest of his career which is why he never got anywhere but for that one night he had the heart and spirit of Ali and brought it on a prime Tyson and mowed him to the ground. Tyson got shaken too easily, when he couldn't knock a great boxer out in the first few rounds he got frustrated, Ali would have worn him out and mowed him down.
@adrenacrumb Funny but Tyson couldn't KO Smith, Tillis, Tucker, Ruddock and Green and he didn't crumble. Instead he settled down and boxed his way to a decision. It's also a myth that Tyson lost to anyone who fought back. Go watch his fights with Tucker, Thomas, Berbick or Ruddock. All those guys took it to Tyson, they just got out-fought. Ali got dumped on his rump by 180lb Cooper, needed a gift to beat 190lb Jones and went life and death with Chuvalo. I don't fancy his chances against Tyson.
@FlaviusConstantius Tyson was exactly the kind of person Ali would have shaken to shit before they ever got in the ring. He would have pissed Tyson off so much Tyson would have worn himself out early and as soon as Ali started peppering him he would have caved. Tyson is just the kind of person that Ali put his persona on for, way too easy to shake up and make mistakes. Wouldn't have even been a decent fight.
@adrenacrumb It's funny that you have to match Ali against a lesser version of Tyson for him to win. It'd be like me matching the Ali who lost to Leon Spinks against the Tyson who KO'd Mike Spinks. Biggs, Tubbs, Williams, Holmes, Tillis and Tucker all fought like a lesser Ali as well and Tyson either blasted them out or out-boxed them. Fortunately for Buster Tyson was unfocused and in terrible shape whereas Douglas was properly focused for the first time in his career.
@FlaviusConstantius the unfortunate thing is people demonize Tyson for his controversies [and may be rightly so?] but in his prime and Ali's, I'd put my money on Tyson.
@charms71 I think what Tyson became in the last 15 or so years of his career makes it easy for people to forget just how darn good he was at his best. Remember Ali had lots of controversies too but that's got nothing to do with a fantasy fight. A fight comes down to styles and individual strengths and weaknesses. And like you I see a Tyson win.
YOU'RE WRONG. Tyson in his prime was STRONGER. He was more AGGRESSIVE. Tyson was FASTER than Ali. And Mike Tyson was a devastating counter puncher. Ali like to dance around the ring. Mike Tyson was an expert at cutting off the ring and trapping his opponent in a coroner. Mike threw DEVASTATING combination punches. He would have beat Ali.
@conanobrianvomit According to some,tyson was overrated and never foguth anyone.I recollect him beating the shit out of 9 people,2 were champs,2 were exchamps and the rest could beat lewis and bowe on a given night.
both good fighters in there own era...never mind saying who is better we will never know that question...They are both legends just respect that and no1 on youtube has a right to say who is better no1 on here could last 10seconds with these guys so keep your in-profesional thoughts to yourself and shhh...the closest most of your asses have come to a ring is your damn toilet
Ali would win because my dad and uncle both told me he would and I dont make any decisions for myself I just buy into hype and stuff. Ali told us he was the greatest and i agree because Ali told us he was the greatest. He was quick as well and never ever got hit because he had great reflexes. He was the fastest heavyweight because he told us he was and why should I make any decisions about it if he has already done that for me? Ali is the best because he told us all
@carmodifire naa i know tyson would win . .he is stronger and faster then ali . .ali maybe smarter and have alitle more technique but i still think tyson would have won"
perfect song for the great living legends ALi and IRON MIKE TYSON.very well done liam.keep it up.i got goose bumps seeing ur video clipping.keep it up.i loved it.
Ali is the greatest.but IRON MAN MIKE is beyond comparisons.POWER IRON BOY TYSON is uncomparable.TYSON for sure is the greatest of the greatest before,now and for ever and ever.the one and only IRON MIKE TYSON.
Louis better than Ali in footwork? based on ? Louis was flatfooted, Ali's footwork was second to none. Better chin? Joe Louis was knocked out by Schmelling, Ali never been knocked out, his chin withstood Foreman and the hardest heavyweight hitter of all time (Ernie Shavers), with a broken jaw by Norton he didnt get knocked out. Ali also has the fastest recorded hand speed in the heavy weights, his hand speed was faster than even the greatest boxer of all time "Sugar" Ray Robinson.
Tyson was an animal who killed his opponents within seconds if you put Tyson and Ali in the ring when they were both in there prime TYSON WOULD DEMOLISH HIM
Ali has said himself Marciano is better than Frazier and would of proberly beat him! Tyson was finished as soon as Don King got his claws into him! Joe Louis had a long run as champ and was also noted for his bum a month fighs! Marciano did not want to fight his as he was Marcianos hero and how did he struggle to knock him in 8 rounds? But it would be great to take all the greats out and put them in the ring in there prime to see who was the best! We all have our own choices!
Rocky Marciano stands alone as the greatest of all time! 49 wins 43 by ko and 0 defeats! Rocky beat every one they put in front of him! This guy doesnt get the respect he should have!
@vbcowboy ROCKY WASNT THE GREATEST WHITEBOY, JOE LOUIS WAS THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT, MARCIANO BEAT AN OLD WASHED UP JOE LOUIS AND ALI WAS GOOD BUT TYSON WAS SECOND BEST
ilyk2pwn, im sorry but louis would have killed Ali and beaten the like of Foreman,liston,Frazier,Norton inside 6 rounds! Dont get me wrong Ali was a great champion but Louis was greater on every aspect bar footwork and chin. Louis had the guile to outsmart and put Ali into a conifused state, like Ali did to HIS opponents! Anyway happy viewing!
@iLYK2PWN HEY WHITEBOY, TYSON BIT HOLYFIELD BECAUSE EVANDER LIKED 2 HEADBUTT AND SO MIKE BIT HIM FUCK FAGGOT ALI TYSON WOULD HAVE BUSTED HIM UP QUICKLY
@james86ful they fought twice, Tyson didnt bust him in neither, so what was the excuse in the other fight? Tyson fought bums, Tyson did not beat the best of his generation, A fighter is measured by how he can handle the best of his generation, Tyson did well against bums but against the top of his generation he failed miserably. that's why he doesnt deserve to even shine Ali's shoes who took on the best of 2 generations and ruled over them.
@TheLeithBoy go look at the tyson vs tillis fight. Prime Tyson was confused against the poor man's ali Tillis. If a prime tyson could not ko the slower, less skilled who fought in a similar style like Ali and was confused through the fight, what makes you think he would have destroyed Ali who had the hardest chin in heavy weight history, the fastest hands in heavy weight history, his mind games second to none, one of the fastest leg movements, etc. "Tyson a walking target for Ali"
@KARASCOUSIN hardest chin? Tyson had the hardest hits in history if Tyson caught Ali with 1 of his power shots are you telling me Ali would just shrug it off? LOL my goodness what is this world coming 2
@TheLeithBoyTyson is not the hardest hitter in boxing history. please do your homework before you look like a 12 year old boy who only knows boxing though youtube. Ernie Shavers is the hardest hitter in boxing history he has many 1 punch knock outs. Tyson does not even have one. Tyson knocks out people by a combination of speed and power, not by strength of hit alone in the style of Joe Louis .. It's like amateur night at the apollo in here. George Foreman, Sony Liston, all hit harder.
@KARASCOUSIN are you serios LOL tyson never 1 hit KO any 1? LOL you need to do your homework on tyson he has many 1 hit KO,s you fucking fool. Tyson has the hardest punches in history and liston? LOL my goodness whats next? fucking ricky hatton
@TheLeithBoy Dude just listen!!!!!!!!!! i like mike tyson as much as the next guy but its a proven fact that tyson does not have the hardest punch in boxing history yes he has knockout power and yes he has probbly had the most knockout wins in boxing history but that dooesnt mean he can hit harder then any boxer to ever play the game, its been said that goerge formen can hit harder then tyson the only difference is foremen is alot slower then tyson period...
@TheLeithBoy bye the way i met to say ali did a better job then tyson when they were both past there prime, aand ali was faster then tyson when they were both in there prime and from what i heard ali had a pretty good punch himself...
@TheLeithBoy pwerfuller? with that comment i can tell your just a little boy with no knowledge about boxing what so ever, Ali has faced guys that have harder punches then mike tyson and ali was deffinattly faster then mike tyson as well do you think ali would just stand there and let mike tyson hit him? no ali would let mike tyson punch himself out and then hit him with a couple combinations dance circles around him hit him with a few jabs and then hit him with two powerful punches
@facey55 harder and faster tyson? name them right now please? foreman?powerfull but slow joe frazier? powerfull but slow so who is this boxer who is faster and harder than tyson?
@TheLeithBoy you deffinattly cant read this is the secound time i had to go back and explain myself to you, i said goerge foreman had a harder punch then mike tyson but mike tyson was faster then foremen that was the only difference between the two,Also mike tyson fought a bunch of unknowns in his career the only two cridible fighters he went up against were Evender holyfield, and lenox lewis and he lost two both of them, Ali faced alot of big name boxers in his era and beat all of them...
@facey55 Tyson has a harder punch than foreman. he was the hardest hitter in boxing history.holyfield cheated v tyson headbutting him twice so he could claim the TKO but your to stupid and dumb to realise that
@TheLeithBoy Lost to frazier the first fight after being out of action, and then beats him in the next two fights, not two mention ali didnt box for three years when he was in his prime and still had a better record then mike tyson... Muhammad Ali 56wins 5Losses 37Ko's Mike tyson 50wins 6Loses 44ko's go figured....
@TheLeithBoy omfg!!!!!!!!! Its a proven fact that goerge foremen hit harder then mike tyson, secoundly you wanna talk about cheating mike tyson bit Evender Holyfields ear off is that not cheating or is it okay because mike tyson did it? your a very stubbern person just go watch your mike tyson fight a bunch of unknown fighters and stop talking rubbish....
@facey55 WHAT THE FUCK!!!! Tyson bit holyfield because he headbutted him TWICE you thick dumb fuck do you think he did it for fun? and funny how the EXACT same thing happened in there re-match evander BITCHFIELD headbutting to claim ANOTHER TKO. and iom afriad not Tyson was a harder hitter than Foreman :D
@TheLeithBoy who you trying to convince about who is better between Ali And Tyson me or you? and why dont you go take a punch from foreman when he was in his prime and two weeks later when you wake up out of your como you can tell me how it feels...
@TheLeithBoy your over exaggerating on that one if tyson gave you two good punches you would be lumped up and your eyes would probbly be swallown shut but you wouldnt be dead... And i would rather take a good hit from a prime tyson rather then a prime goerge foremen
@facey55 ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOSSSSS!!! fucking spinks? AHAHAHAHAHA Tyson knocked him the fuck out in the first round. he was a skinny piece of shit. AHAHAHAHA i am in tears with laughter fucking Spinks AHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA
Muhammad Ali would have Jabbed Gene Tunney's head off ! lol
truthhitmanisback 1 month ago
Tyson had too much punching power.
TeslaDRay 2 months ago
@TeslaDRay Tucker...Tillis...Green...Smith...Ruddock...Douglas...Holifield...all still standing in round 10 vs Tyson and you think the never Ko'ed Ali would be gone by then ? LMFAO
renduke 2 months ago
@renduke
well you obviously know more than i do. i'm not a boxing nut but have seen espn classics of both enough to make that decision, but hell what do i know. you had ali with his speed and stamina, making half his opponents punch out, but if ali got caught in tyson's flurries, who knows?
TeslaDRay 2 months ago
@TeslaDRay Tyson would always have a punchers chance but I'de make Ali a pretty heavy favorite
renduke 2 months ago
@TeslaDRay
You can't learn about Boxing by any other means but watching classic fights round after rounds. Highlight clips are deceptive.
Aphoresis 1 month ago
lol
PcLightBulb 4 months ago
i like both boxers a lot but if both boxers are at their prime, I think Tyson would have beat Ali IMO. Ali was fast and moved impeccably but if Tyson cornered you....that's it!
charms71 5 months ago
@charms71 No way Tyson would have beaten any Ali ever, Tyson crumbled when anyone stood up to him, watch his fight with Tony Tucker in his prime and watch him get rocked he barely won.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb "No way Tyson would have beaten any Ali ever,"
that's your opinion.
charms71 4 months ago
@charms71 He never would have hit the guy, Ali would dance around and take a few shots and Tyson would tire out just like Foreman did. Tyson wasn't a long distance fighter and he wouldn't have KO's Ali ever unless he just got lucky.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb " He never would have hit the guy" ...you say it with such certainty knowing it's false.
charms71 4 months ago
@charms71 So all you can do is sit here and go nu uh. okay Tyson fanboy whatever you say.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb " okay Tyson fanboy whatever you say"
...you must be telepathic to have read my mind that way. At this rate, you'll solve the mystery behind the large hadron collider and the big bang [CERN] if you know what that is.
bye
charms71 4 months ago
@charms71 Listen Buster Douglas wouldn't have beaten Ali in a million years. Tyson was a chump anyone stood up to him. No I don't know what either of those are you are too smart for me, you must watch the tv and stuff.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb and Larry Holmes vs Ali? hmmm
certainly only occurred in Astral Traveling huh?
charms71 4 months ago
@charms71 Okay well if Ali was nearly 40 and just came out of retirement MAYBE Douglas could have beaten him.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb that comment is as useless as a silk hat on a pig. reread what you wrote and have a refinement of commentary.
charms71 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb like when Oscar knocked him out? Or when Smokin' Joe pulled the upset? Don't forget that Joe was ready to come out to the next round when the ref ruled him out [...and all the while Ali was yelling to his trainer "cut these gloves off...i'm done"]. Remember that favoritism?
charms71 4 months ago
@charms71 Buster never would have beaten Frazier either, you are just trying to confuse the matter now. Douglas smoked Tyson, wouldn't have ever happened to Ali.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb yup same way Ali lost to Spinks in 78? How confusing is that? Hmmm
charms71 4 months ago
@charms71 Was that right around Ali's prime? You are going to confuse a 23 year old Tyson with a 36 year old Ali?
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
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@charms71 Was that right around Ali's prime? You are going to confuse a 23 year old Tyson with a 36 year old Ali?
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@charms71 I find it very hard to believe anyone who has watched the Tony Tucker fight thinks he would beat Ali, Tyson buckled anytime anyone actually stood up to him.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb The same way you claim to have extensive knowledge of boxing and thus extrapolate with subjective opinion...so can I but I chose to resist a fruitless back and forth.
charms71 4 months ago
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FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Against Tucker Tyson was lifted off his feet with an uppercut and wasn't fazed for moment. Barely won? Tucker won 4 rounds at most. Barely won is a phrase best used for numerous Ali wins, like Norton, Young, Jones etc. Can you see Tyson going life and death with Ken Norton, Karl Mildenberger and Doug Jones? Nope neither can I. All those guys were able to hit Ali but Tyson wouldn't? Right... IMO Tyson would KO him like Biggs or Ali would hold like Smith and lose a decision.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Ali won all of those fight by unanimous decision or tko except for Norton and he was into decline by then. Are you really going to sit here and tell me Buster Douglas would have given a 24 year old Ali any trouble whatsoever?
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Sure Ali officially won those fights, except a lot of people who watched them thought he didn't. All were a much closer call than Tyson-Tucker. I had him losing to Jones and Young and at the very least he should be 1-2 against Norton. Not exactly inspiring.
Considering Doug Jones, Ernie Terrell and George Chuvalo gave young Ali a rough fight I'm pretty sure a motivated, in shape 6ft5 240lb boxer puncher like Douglas would too. Did Ali even face anyone like that?
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Douglas was 6'3 and not that heavy so uhm give you maybe give real stats?
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Er can you give me real stats, no clue how you got from 6'3 to 6'5 why are you posting incredibly wrong stats to me?
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb For me Buster was 6'4" at least, but Boxrec lists him as 6'3"1/2 so your stats are wrong as well. In any event a 1" difference in height is not exactly important here.
Chuvalo also had 18 losses and lost to almost every great/near great he faced, and a few not so greats...
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Okay well Foreman was 6'5 then, what's an inch? He was also 250, what's a few pounds?
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius You know what I'm just going to give George another 1/2 inch, not big deal, George Foreman was 6'5 1/2, true story.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius To me George Foreman will always be 6'5 1/2 and 260 pounds.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb You can say George Foreman was 8'10 and 450lb if it makes you happy.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius I know right, we can just make statistics up for every boxer in history right? Hell let's start changing their biographies too. Buster Douglas was a trained astronaut, did you know that?
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
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FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
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@adrenacrumb Jeez... the topic is Tyson v Ali and you're arguing the toss about whether Buster Douglas is 6'3 or 6'4. I hope he isn't actually 6'5 because that would really put a spanner in the works.
Have you seen the Chuvalo fight? Ali was fighting George off him all night and went to hospital pissing blood. Doesn't bode well for a Tyson fight.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius I'm a little bit confused on why you are saying the Chuvalo fight was life and death, Ali beat him on score cards by more than 10 points. What is your definition of life and death?
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Douglas was 230 when he fought Tyson, Tyson was 220. Ali was 220 for Foreman. Douglas never would have beaten Ali in a million years. Ali let Chuvalo get close to him, he was intentionally taking shots because he wanted to be the first guy to ko him.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Leon Spinks would never have beaten Tyson in a million years. Even the totally shot Tyson who lost to McBride and Williams would have beaten Leon. And bear in mind that Tyson was years removed from any championship form when those fights happened, whereas Ali was the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world when he got whooped by little Leon.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Meh 36 year old Ali isn't even worth bringing up. He should have gone into retirement a lot sooner, he had already started becoming a zombie.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Funny but you constantly bring up Douglas when it's obvious Tyson wasn't the same fighter. Even on their worst night as champion Tyson, Louis, Dempsey, Liston, Frazier, Lewis, Holyfield, Klitschko and co would not have lost to Leon.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Tyson wasn't the same fighter as....he was 23 and in his prime what was he not the same as?
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb No his prime lasted about 5 years. It's obvious just from watching the Douglas fight that Tyson wasn't the same fighter who dominated the division from 86-89. Wilfred Benitez was a 3 time champion by age 21 and washed up by age 25. It happens.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Okay well how about this, Ali was the greatest boxer that ever lived by far and Tyson maybe for a couple of years could have maybe hit Ali hard enough to last a full fight.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Ali is the most overrated boxer ever. Almost KO'd by 180lb Cooper. Out-boxed by 190lb Jones. Struggled against Mildenberger and Chuvalo. Won the title from an old Liston who was KOd by an invisible punch. Gift stoppages against Bonavena and Lyle. Beat up by Joe Frazier in the biggest fight of his career. Fluke win against Foreman. Needed gift decisions to beat Young, Norton and Shavers. Lost his title to a novice with 7 pro fights. GOAT indeed. Tyson would knock him into next week.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius A Tyson fan saying Ali is overrated, that is... that's a whole new level of laughability. I would name people Tyson fought but none of them are even worth mentioning. I think cus had a pretty good idea when he was 18, what Tyson are you talking about here, like from 1 match or 1 year, what Tyson are you thinking about here? So the guy who taught Tyson absolutely everything he knew about boxing didn't realize how overrated Ali was? You are out of your mind.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb And I could name some people Ali fought in title fights, that'd be a real hoot. Cus had his opinion, Eddie Futch had his opinion. Gene Tunney thought Ali "mediocre" and Nat Fleischer said Ali did not belong among the top 10 greatest heavyweights but I suppose you think they knew nothing either.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Where and when did Tunney say that?
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Where and when did Tunney say that?
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius We can't go on, anyone who says Ali is overrated is fucking retarded. You quite obviously have mental problems.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Anyone who thinks Ali was the 'greatest boxer that ever lived by far' knows nothing about boxing.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Well you just said Mike Tyson knows nothing about boxing, so you got yourself right there.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Tyson rated Louis above Ali.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius When was this, I've heard Tyson say at least 10 times Ali was the greatest boxer that ever lived.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb In the 80s Tyson did a show with Harry Carpenter where they discussed the great heavyweights. Tyson said he couldn't see anyone beating Louis, including Ali. I'd like to see where Cus said Ali was the greatest boxer ever. In AKA Cassius Clay he kept riling Ali by pointing out his flaws. I think he also picked Frazier to win the FOTC.
BTW. Do you think Gene Tunney, Eddie Futch and Nat Fleischer were 'fucking retarded'?
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Well I hate to admit where I saw that interview but you can hear him say exactly what I typed in his interview with Oprah after the Tyson movie came out.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius He says Cus told him at his best no man could beat Ali so he has to agree with that.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Tyson discussed how he and his mentor D'Amato would watch classic boxing matches everyday for years. "We'd watch all the great fighters," stated Tyson, adding: "I would ask him, 'How do you beat them?'" D'Amato who was certainly a man of great wisdom had a formula on how to beat any fighter except for one.... the great Muhammad Ali.
Tyson told Oprah's TV audience: "No one could beat Muhammad Ali, he (D'Amato) thought." Tyson added: "I agree with him."
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Funny but D'Amato used to talk a lot about Ali's flaws. Watch his debate with Ali in AKA Cassius Clay. He sure didn't think Ali was unbeatable back then.
Tunney made numerous statements like that about Ali in the 60s and 70s. Said he was "not much of a fighter" and predicted Louis would KO Ali in 3 rounds. Sugar Ray Robinson also rated Louis over Ali. Oh, and Ali himself said he would lose to Tyson, but I suppose they're all retards as well, eh?
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Ali didn't really say that unless he was being polite. Did he ever say it when Tyson wasn't right there? They were obviously just joking in that 'debate'.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Ah, so it's the end of the debate when Tyson says Ali was unbeatable but when Ali says he would lose to Tyson he was only joking. I love it.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Ali wasn't there when he said it he wasn't just being polite. Also I don't think Ali ever actually spoke the words Tyson was the greatest, feel free to show me and not just kinda half ass pointing when someone asked him whil Tyson was there.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius The only time I have seen him saying anything close to that is when Arsenio Hall asked him and he said egrsjtjhigwhyryunrtyjethrsgresdtghntjuymynut.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius So you're beat either way now. Either you admit Tyson knows nothing about boxing or that Ali was the greatest.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Er, Tyson picked Louis over Ali. I'll take his analysis during a boxing discussion over some platitude from years later.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Yea you would have to do that. I can see how he was probably a better judge before he had been in the ring very much than after an entire career of boxing, makes sense. Also the man who taught him absolutely everything he knew about boxing was probably wrong. Well done.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Cus to Ali: "I believe that Joe Louis would beat you". This was just before the Frazier fight. Tyson made those comments in 1987 after years of living with Cus and poring through Jimmy Jacobs' fight collection. He made no mention of Cus telling him Ali was unbeatable and instead said he couldn't see anyone beating Louis, even Ali.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Yea him saying Cus told him 'no one could beat Ali' didn't mean he thought Ali couldn't be beaten. You can fuck off now. Cus and him were joking you tard, would have made great TV if cus just sat there and kissed his ass for an hour.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Really, cos that's all most Ali documentaries do. Very convenient how all these guys who said negative things about Ali were only joking. I suppose Gene Tunney was a real prankster as well lol. Only to be expected from someone who thinks Ali was the greatest boxer ever. Why? Because he said so?
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius You are being seriously retarded right now. You said anyone who thought Ali was the greatest knows nothing about boxing. He did say the Ali was the greatest so what you are bringing up doesn't even matter. If he thought at any point Ali was the greatest then to you he should be retarded for ever saying that. So you are an idiot.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Yea because it's not like they were laughing the entire time talking or anything.... I really don't see why you would respond, you have already made yourself look stupid enough.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb And you said anyone who thinks Ali is overrated is retarded, so presumably you regard Gene Tunney, Eddie Futch and Nat Fleischer as retards. I note you completely ignored what they had to say about your 'Greatest of all Time'. Anyone with a modicum of boxing knowledge would laugh at the idea of Ali being the greatest boxer ever. Greater than Sugar Ray, Sam Langford, Henry Armstrong? Have you even heard of those guys?
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Yes I do think they are retarded. It doesn't even matter what they thought, Tyson said he was the greatest, that means you must believe he doesn't know shit about boxing so how is someone who doesn't know shit about boxing going to be the greatest boxer?
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Great, you think Gene Tunney, Nat Fleischer and Eddie Futch were retarded. Do you even know who those guys are? Tbh, you should have stuck to arguing the toss about Buster Douglas' height and weight.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Can you show me exactly where Tunney said this? Or possibly all of them?
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Quoted in the St Joseph News Press Nov 20 1965: "He's not much of a fighter. But he's about the best there is around now." LA Times Oct 31 1970: he opined that Ali was not better than Jack Johnson or Jess Willard (!!) and also predicted that Ali would lose the upcoming Frazier fight. He called Ali "mediocre" in an old Ring Magazine which I don't have to hand. You can find loads of similar quotes in newspapers from that time.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius He said Ali was the best all the way through his career. After the Tyson movie came out he did an interview talking about How D'Amoto would train him by showing how he would beat all boxers through history and he asked how you would beat Ali and he said you don't. Then he was asked if he thought he could beat Ali and said probably not.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Myself and about 80% of the world who didn't grow up Tyson fanboys sure as shit wouldn't be putting any money on Tyson if that ever happened though.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Mind you don't bet the farm. In fantasy land there are no hero worshiping judges giving Ali shut out wins in fights he looked awful in. Myself and all those who didn't grow up Ali nuthuggers and have actually watched all his fights without the blinkers will be betting on Tyson.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Let me see if I can remember what Tyson's mentor D'Amoto said would happen. I believe he said no man in the world could have beaten Ali in his prime. Even Tyson's mentor wouldn't have had money on Tyson so you can keep living the dream but I really think it's pretty clear who would have won.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Cus died when Tyson was 18 so he was hardly in a position to judge how a peak Tyson would do against Ali. Eddie Futch regarded Ali as a limited fighter: "his defense was monolithic. He pulled back. He very seldom ducked, he very seldom blocked a punch.... and he never threw a body punch." And he'd know, he trained 4 guys who beat Ali.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius When the hell was Tyson in his prime, you people are crazy as shit. You all act like only the matches between June 4th and August 15th of 1985 are the matches that count for Tyson. Was Tyson in his prime for about 12 seconds?
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius All Chuvalo did the whole fight was try to get close and start punching his kidneys. Not exactly sure why Ali let him fight like that but I can only imagine it was because he already said he was going to ko him early.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Please, if Ali could have danced circles around Chuvalo and knocked him out in 3 rounds he would have done. He didn't because he couldn't. Instead George was in his face all night, pounding his body and making Ali look anything but the 'greatest boxer ever'. Ali was peeing blood afterwards. You think he went through all that just because he wanted to? LOL With nothing but a good chin and a decent hook a limited guy like Chuvalo set the template for beating Ali.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Ali didn't 'let him fight like that'. Chuvalo fought the way he always fought and Ali had not the punch to keep him off, so he just had to tough it out. You really think Ali would intentionally let George whale away at his ribs if he could have danced around him? Swap Chuvalo for Tyson that night, an immeasurably quicker, harder-hitting and more talented pressure fighter and it's not hard to see Tyson winning.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius So you are going to tell me Ali let him punch him in the kidneys 14 times in a row without doing anything whatsoever except grit his teeth when he could have easily pulled away? Please, watch the fight, he was trying to tire him out for an early KO they even said that before the fight.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb A tactic Ali used constantly later in his career. He only tried that show of bravado once against Chuvalo. He wasn't on the ropes just for the fun of it, he was on the ropes because Chuvalo had him pinned there. Like I said, if Ali could have danced circles around Chuvalo and won without taking a single punch he would have done so. He didn't because he couldn't.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius No he wouldn't have done that, as I already said Ali was challenging himself, he wanted to show the world he was the greatest and decided to go toe to toe with Chuvalo to prove he could take an opponent like that. Ali would not have danced around and beat him like that, that wasn't Ali.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb If that was the case then why, when he realized he wasn't going to KO Chuvalo in 3 rounds (shock horror) did he not get up on his toes and give a dancing masterclass? He wanted Chuvalo to pound him, just for the fun of it? Please. Funny how Ali could dance circles around washed up guys like Folley and Williams but as soon as he looks like crap against a prime opponent it's only because he wanted to. I suppose he also let Cooper knock him down just to challenge himself?
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius You can see Ali telling him to keep hitting him, you don't let someone punch you 14 freaking times in a row for no reason. Chuvalo already had the reputation of being someone no one could knock down and Ali said he was going to do it early, it is obvious what he was doing.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb So Ali's in there with a guy known for having an iron chin and good stamina, and Ali - an average puncher - decided he was going to KO this guy early, and he was going to do it by tiring him out by letting him whale away at his kidneys? That's a pretty dumb strategy for the so-called 'greatest boxer ever'.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Ali could have just danced around Chuvalo all night but instead he decided to challenge himself and be the first person to take him down and Chuvalo ended up being tougher than he thought. If you watch the first rounds he just holds Chuvalo's head and waits for him to punch himself out on his kidneys, Ali always was and always will be the greatest boxer ever.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Foreman was about Douglas' size I can think of right off the bat.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Dude no one knocked Chuvalo down in 93 fights, he never hit the floor once.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Buster won fighting just like a lesser Ali in that fight, he was loose, dancing around, had all of his shots on the mark, took his time and wore him out and then knocked him retarded. Don't see how Douglas would have been much different than Ali if they would have fought. He looked just like Ali in that match.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Nobody made more mistakes than Ali. Trade 180lb Henry Cooper for Tyson and Ali takes the 10 count in 63. Tyson was just as fast as Ali, hit much harder, had better skills, and possessed Ali's kryptonite, a quick powerful left hook. While Ali was struggling with the likes of Jones, Cooper, Chuvalo and Mildenberger in his prime Tyson was dominating and blasting out huge, durable heavies. Tyson beat numerous Ali clones while Ali struggled with Tyson-esque guys. Ali down and out in 6.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Buster didn't have the heart for the rest of his career which is why he never got anywhere but for that one night he had the heart and spirit of Ali and brought it on a prime Tyson and mowed him to the ground. Tyson got shaken too easily, when he couldn't knock a great boxer out in the first few rounds he got frustrated, Ali would have worn him out and mowed him down.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb Funny but Tyson couldn't KO Smith, Tillis, Tucker, Ruddock and Green and he didn't crumble. Instead he settled down and boxed his way to a decision. It's also a myth that Tyson lost to anyone who fought back. Go watch his fights with Tucker, Thomas, Berbick or Ruddock. All those guys took it to Tyson, they just got out-fought. Ali got dumped on his rump by 180lb Cooper, needed a gift to beat 190lb Jones and went life and death with Chuvalo. I don't fancy his chances against Tyson.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Tyson was exactly the kind of person Ali would have shaken to shit before they ever got in the ring. He would have pissed Tyson off so much Tyson would have worn himself out early and as soon as Ali started peppering him he would have caved. Tyson is just the kind of person that Ali put his persona on for, way too easy to shake up and make mistakes. Wouldn't have even been a decent fight.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb It's funny that you have to match Ali against a lesser version of Tyson for him to win. It'd be like me matching the Ali who lost to Leon Spinks against the Tyson who KO'd Mike Spinks. Biggs, Tubbs, Williams, Holmes, Tillis and Tucker all fought like a lesser Ali as well and Tyson either blasted them out or out-boxed them. Fortunately for Buster Tyson was unfocused and in terrible shape whereas Douglas was properly focused for the first time in his career.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@charms71 I agree. Tyson has a great style to beat Ali.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius the unfortunate thing is people demonize Tyson for his controversies [and may be rightly so?] but in his prime and Ali's, I'd put my money on Tyson.
charms71 4 months ago
@charms71 I think what Tyson became in the last 15 or so years of his career makes it easy for people to forget just how darn good he was at his best. Remember Ali had lots of controversies too but that's got nothing to do with a fantasy fight. A fight comes down to styles and individual strengths and weaknesses. And like you I see a Tyson win.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
alis skill is lightyears ahead of tysons
Cappacino1000 5 months ago
YOU'RE WRONG. Tyson in his prime was STRONGER. He was more AGGRESSIVE. Tyson was FASTER than Ali. And Mike Tyson was a devastating counter puncher. Ali like to dance around the ring. Mike Tyson was an expert at cutting off the ring and trapping his opponent in a coroner. Mike threw DEVASTATING combination punches. He would have beat Ali.
chrissline77 5 months ago
@chrissline77 lmao,tyson had limited boxing skills and got knocked out off lesser competition,u know FUCK ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cappacino1000 5 months ago
to je neco todle je muj zvor a za par let budu jako tyson jen na pohled jse me lidi uz budou bat jako jeho
mafianoitaliano 6 months ago
tyson wudve won. he was too powerful, had faster fists n if u actualy watch thm fight ali shows off too much wen tyson jus gets on wi it.
gazwhite08 6 months ago
Name a legend that Tyson fought. Ok now name the legendS that Muhammed Ali fought
conanobrianvomit 6 months ago
@conanobrianvomit According to some,tyson was overrated and never foguth anyone.I recollect him beating the shit out of 9 people,2 were champs,2 were exchamps and the rest could beat lewis and bowe on a given night.
maxshortte1982 6 months ago
@maxshortte1982 2/2 chance of winning the match it would all come down to who has the better game plan..
facey55 6 months ago
both good fighters in there own era...never mind saying who is better we will never know that question...They are both legends just respect that and no1 on youtube has a right to say who is better no1 on here could last 10seconds with these guys so keep your in-profesional thoughts to yourself and shhh...the closest most of your asses have come to a ring is your damn toilet
DragonHellraiser 7 months ago
MUHAMMAD ALI is the greatest because we the public can see for ourselves and make our own Judgement
truthhitmanisback 8 months ago 2
Ali would win because my dad and uncle both told me he would and I dont make any decisions for myself I just buy into hype and stuff. Ali told us he was the greatest and i agree because Ali told us he was the greatest. He was quick as well and never ever got hit because he had great reflexes. He was the fastest heavyweight because he told us he was and why should I make any decisions about it if he has already done that for me? Ali is the best because he told us all
norvegicusbass 8 months ago 2
ALI WOULD WIN FOR SURE!
TROSKYification 8 months ago
iron mike
tatengue107 8 months ago
TYSON WOULD WIN ". . . .
zurrac 8 months ago
@zurrac patterson and rooney said ali would win
carmodifire 8 months ago
@carmodifire naa i know tyson would win . .he is stronger and faster then ali . .ali maybe smarter and have alitle more technique but i still think tyson would have won"
zurrac 8 months ago
@zurrac Ali was faster than any other heavyweight in history. He took out liston like nothing.
carmodifire 8 months ago
perfect song for the great living legends ALi and IRON MIKE TYSON.very well done liam.keep it up.i got goose bumps seeing ur video clipping.keep it up.i loved it.
christopher5057 9 months ago
Ali is the greatest.but IRON MAN MIKE is beyond comparisons.POWER IRON BOY TYSON is uncomparable.TYSON for sure is the greatest of the greatest before,now and for ever and ever.the one and only IRON MIKE TYSON.
christopher5057 9 months ago
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Louis better than Ali in footwork? based on ? Louis was flatfooted, Ali's footwork was second to none. Better chin? Joe Louis was knocked out by Schmelling, Ali never been knocked out, his chin withstood Foreman and the hardest heavyweight hitter of all time (Ernie Shavers), with a broken jaw by Norton he didnt get knocked out. Ali also has the fastest recorded hand speed in the heavy weights, his hand speed was faster than even the greatest boxer of all time "Sugar" Ray Robinson.
KARASCOUSIN 10 months ago
who would WIN??? the TRUTH is no one will ever know!!!
vono192 11 months ago
Tyson inside 6 rounds.
whiteknight040879 11 months ago
Tyson was an animal who killed his opponents within seconds if you put Tyson and Ali in the ring when they were both in there prime TYSON WOULD DEMOLISH HIM
FULLONBRIT 11 months ago
Muhammad Ali would 've smacked em all up ! Period !!!!!!
truthhitmanisback 1 year ago
Ali has said himself Marciano is better than Frazier and would of proberly beat him! Tyson was finished as soon as Don King got his claws into him! Joe Louis had a long run as champ and was also noted for his bum a month fighs! Marciano did not want to fight his as he was Marcianos hero and how did he struggle to knock him in 8 rounds? But it would be great to take all the greats out and put them in the ring in there prime to see who was the best! We all have our own choices!
vbcowboy 1 year ago
Rocky Marciano stands alone as the greatest of all time! 49 wins 43 by ko and 0 defeats! Rocky beat every one they put in front of him! This guy doesnt get the respect he should have!
vbcowboy 1 year ago
@vbcowboy ROCKY WASNT THE GREATEST WHITEBOY, JOE LOUIS WAS THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT, MARCIANO BEAT AN OLD WASHED UP JOE LOUIS AND ALI WAS GOOD BUT TYSON WAS SECOND BEST
james86ful 1 year ago
ilyk2pwn, im sorry but louis would have killed Ali and beaten the like of Foreman,liston,Frazier,Norton inside 6 rounds! Dont get me wrong Ali was a great champion but Louis was greater on every aspect bar footwork and chin. Louis had the guile to outsmart and put Ali into a conifused state, like Ali did to HIS opponents! Anyway happy viewing!
dgyldokw 1 year ago
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KARASCOUSIN 10 months ago
Fuck you Mike Tyson all the way- bitches!
Jeiygo 1 year ago
Ali would eat Tyson, oh wait, thats exactly what tyson did to louis, literally
iLYK2PWN 1 year ago
@iLYK2PWN HEY WHITEBOY, TYSON BIT HOLYFIELD BECAUSE EVANDER LIKED 2 HEADBUTT AND SO MIKE BIT HIM FUCK FAGGOT ALI TYSON WOULD HAVE BUSTED HIM UP QUICKLY
james86ful 1 year ago
@james86ful they fought twice, Tyson didnt bust him in neither, so what was the excuse in the other fight? Tyson fought bums, Tyson did not beat the best of his generation, A fighter is measured by how he can handle the best of his generation, Tyson did well against bums but against the top of his generation he failed miserably. that's why he doesnt deserve to even shine Ali's shoes who took on the best of 2 generations and ruled over them.
KARASCOUSIN 10 months ago
@KARASCOUSIN are you on drugs? Tyson would have absolutely DESTROYED ali.
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy go look at the tyson vs tillis fight. Prime Tyson was confused against the poor man's ali Tillis. If a prime tyson could not ko the slower, less skilled who fought in a similar style like Ali and was confused through the fight, what makes you think he would have destroyed Ali who had the hardest chin in heavy weight history, the fastest hands in heavy weight history, his mind games second to none, one of the fastest leg movements, etc. "Tyson a walking target for Ali"
KARASCOUSIN 9 months ago
@KARASCOUSIN hardest chin? Tyson had the hardest hits in history if Tyson caught Ali with 1 of his power shots are you telling me Ali would just shrug it off? LOL my goodness what is this world coming 2
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoyTyson is not the hardest hitter in boxing history. please do your homework before you look like a 12 year old boy who only knows boxing though youtube. Ernie Shavers is the hardest hitter in boxing history he has many 1 punch knock outs. Tyson does not even have one. Tyson knocks out people by a combination of speed and power, not by strength of hit alone in the style of Joe Louis .. It's like amateur night at the apollo in here. George Foreman, Sony Liston, all hit harder.
KARASCOUSIN 9 months ago
@KARASCOUSIN are you serios LOL tyson never 1 hit KO any 1? LOL you need to do your homework on tyson he has many 1 hit KO,s you fucking fool. Tyson has the hardest punches in history and liston? LOL my goodness whats next? fucking ricky hatton
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy Dude just listen!!!!!!!!!! i like mike tyson as much as the next guy but its a proven fact that tyson does not have the hardest punch in boxing history yes he has knockout power and yes he has probbly had the most knockout wins in boxing history but that dooesnt mean he can hit harder then any boxer to ever play the game, its been said that goerge formen can hit harder then tyson the only difference is foremen is alot slower then tyson period...
facey55 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy bye the way i met to say ali did a better job then tyson when they were both past there prime, aand ali was faster then tyson when they were both in there prime and from what i heard ali had a pretty good punch himself...
facey55 9 months ago
@facey55 thats your opinion not mine.Tyson was faster than Ali and he was SOOO MUCH powerfuller
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy pwerfuller? with that comment i can tell your just a little boy with no knowledge about boxing what so ever, Ali has faced guys that have harder punches then mike tyson and ali was deffinattly faster then mike tyson as well do you think ali would just stand there and let mike tyson hit him? no ali would let mike tyson punch himself out and then hit him with a couple combinations dance circles around him hit him with a few jabs and then hit him with two powerful punches
facey55 9 months ago
@facey55 harder and faster tyson? name them right now please? foreman?powerfull but slow joe frazier? powerfull but slow so who is this boxer who is faster and harder than tyson?
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy you deffinattly cant read this is the secound time i had to go back and explain myself to you, i said goerge foreman had a harder punch then mike tyson but mike tyson was faster then foremen that was the only difference between the two,Also mike tyson fought a bunch of unknowns in his career the only two cridible fighters he went up against were Evender holyfield, and lenox lewis and he lost two both of them, Ali faced alot of big name boxers in his era and beat all of them...
facey55 9 months ago
@facey55 Tyson has a harder punch than foreman. he was the hardest hitter in boxing history.holyfield cheated v tyson headbutting him twice so he could claim the TKO but your to stupid and dumb to realise that
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy Lost to frazier the first fight after being out of action, and then beats him in the next two fights, not two mention ali didnt box for three years when he was in his prime and still had a better record then mike tyson... Muhammad Ali 56wins 5Losses 37Ko's Mike tyson 50wins 6Loses 44ko's go figured....
facey55 9 months ago
@facey55 bla bla bla YAWN
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy omfg!!!!!!!!! Its a proven fact that goerge foremen hit harder then mike tyson, secoundly you wanna talk about cheating mike tyson bit Evender Holyfields ear off is that not cheating or is it okay because mike tyson did it? your a very stubbern person just go watch your mike tyson fight a bunch of unknown fighters and stop talking rubbish....
facey55 9 months ago
@facey55 WHAT THE FUCK!!!! Tyson bit holyfield because he headbutted him TWICE you thick dumb fuck do you think he did it for fun? and funny how the EXACT same thing happened in there re-match evander BITCHFIELD headbutting to claim ANOTHER TKO. and iom afriad not Tyson was a harder hitter than Foreman :D
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy who you trying to convince about who is better between Ali And Tyson me or you? and why dont you go take a punch from foreman when he was in his prime and two weeks later when you wake up out of your como you can tell me how it feels...
facey55 9 months ago
@facey55 if foreman hit me id prob be in hospital for a few weeks. if Tyson hit me i would be dead....
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy your over exaggerating on that one if tyson gave you two good punches you would be lumped up and your eyes would probbly be swallown shut but you wouldnt be dead... And i would rather take a good hit from a prime tyson rather then a prime goerge foremen
facey55 9 months ago
@facey55 Tysons power is just unreal Foremans power to Tyson would be like a new born babys strengh to a GORILLA
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy Now your smoking the pot...
facey55 9 months ago
@facey55 TYSON=HARDEST HITTER IN BOXING HISTORY
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
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facey55 9 months ago
@facey55 ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOSSSSS!!! fucking spinks? AHAHAHAHAHA Tyson knocked him the fuck out in the first round. he was a skinny piece of shit. AHAHAHAHA i am in tears with laughter fucking Spinks AHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy my bad on spinks i was thinking about someone else so you can calm down...
facey55 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, ernie shavers , Sonny Liston
facey55 9 months ago
@facey55 MIKE IRON TYSON AHA KID DYNAMITE
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy is that your best comeback? you gonna tell me tyson can hit harder then, rocky marciano and sonny liston i dont think so...
facey55 9 months ago
@facey55 YES lol he could easily.he was the hardest hitter in boxing
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy your full of shit.....
facey55 9 months ago
@facey55 coming from you LOL laughable
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago
@TheLeithBoy Everything that comes out of your mouth is Laughable....
facey55 9 months ago
@facey55 im not speaking im typing LOL fucking idiot
TheLeithBoy 9 months ago