While I completely think that the Biblical arguments more than sufficient for you (they provide very compelling moral and socio-historical grounds). I would offer you the following:
search the youtube vid entitled: "Daughter of a gay man speaks"
Personally it effects you, me and everyone else, because 'marriage' is a SOCIAL institution governed by laws for the collective benefit of society.Socially,absent the current laws,nothing prevents other arbitrary definitions /configurations emergin
Civil unions, separate but equal the sequel thanks for nothing Obama. Your solutions are proving your allegiance with the Capitalist Party and not with the people once again. Sell out. Two party system? That would be a break from what we've had in this country.
Oh mr. obama, while your intentions of rights are good, your goal just simply is wrong. While religions are entitled to believe what they may, a license from the state cannot be denied on pure basis of race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. If there are conditions for marriage outside those things that have a clear purpose, that would be a different story and should be included in the definition of marriage.
Obama supported the California ban on gay marriage by his stupid support of only civil unions . Gays never should have thrown all their support and money to him. State bans on adoption and marriage make homosexuals the big losers of the 2008 election.
Homosexulity is a sin. Read the word of God. He calls it an abomination when a man lies with a man or a woman lies with a woman as to perform sexual acts. True Christians cannont continue to practice this sinful lifestyle and call themselves Christians. You need to check up on your life. Resist satan and he will flee. Abstain from the very appearance of evil. Religion and Christianity is not the same. Religion is false. Christianity is the real thing.
Yes, true Christians have been tolerant of others long enough! We didn't come to America to be free from oppression, but to gain the power to oppress others, I think people have forgotten that! Maybe next you can go after preachers who wear glasses, that is also banned in the bible, as is trying to serve two masters, god and the people.
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Anal rights activists make me sick to my stomach. It disgusts me and pisses me off that in 2003 all anti-sodomy laws were repealed by the left-wing extremists. Faggots should get life in prison for gay sex,just as they were given in Idaho back in 2002. The death penalty better serves these fuckers.
It's annoying, b/c obama knows full well that ppl who aren't religious can get married at city hall and can call it a marriage and that PLENTY of gay ppl are actually christian and DO get married in their churches. I think this is just b/c advocating calling it marriage would lose a lot of votes for him though...
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Blah, blah, blah! I'm tired of hearing all the B.S. about what people don't understand. Homosexuals, please hear me! You cannot expect a man who believes in Jesus Christ and his teachings to agree on same sex "Marriage", politician or not! And he is being hypocritical by "agreeing" to civil unions. Why? Because no Christian should ever endorse sin, because God won't. But, he's trying to stay safe, get votes. He'll have to take that up with the Big Guy!
Stripping homosexuals of their rights is not going to make them any less gay ... it is flat out discrimination and abuse and does nothing more than promote struggle and vastly greater sins.
If you want the 'godliness' that comes from an abusive theocracy, I suggest that you move to the majestic slums of Iran.
wtf is that suppose to mean, that its not always thier fault they are gay? people are born gay. always have, always will. if not please prove to me other wise. also while your at it, learn some grammar.
people don't choose to be gay, i'm gay and if i had the choice to be straight i would be. However, i'm not attracted to the opposite sex. Again gay people don't choose to be gay.
people CHOOSE to be gay!!! you are clearly not religous so im talking to a brick wall here, but if you are think of it like this... Did god, who is without imperfection, make a child of his, GAY! And then turn around in the bible and say "DONT BE GAY!" wow you people need to get a life
Let me address this dreadfully cynical comment by someone who has not had the opportunity to meet the One True God of this life and this world. I take more of an offense to someone using the most Holy Bible as a leveler for an unlevel bed than I do as to what you do in your bed room. I am not religious. I am a Christian, there is a big difference. Take time to understand the word of God and you will see that God loves you and all other sinners!
Being gay has nothing to do with who you are attracted to, unless they changed the definition recently. It is what you do sexually, not what you think about.
Example: A man who is attracted to other men sleeps with women. Is he gay? No, he sleeps with women, so he's straight.
The bottom line is that you choose who to sleep with, so, yes, it is a choice.
a man who is attracted to men and sleeps with a woman is only fooling himself, and is trying to choose a different lifestyle. However, he is still attracted to men none the less and thus, remains gay, even if he never has sex w/ a man.
Just like everyone, that man is born with a Sinful desire. Some are given the desire to steal, to lie, to cheat, to murder, to gossip, to do all of the above, but you chose to do those things. YOU CHOSE! So does a person chose to go after the Lusts of the flesh and seek to satisfy something that only God can satisfy. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. REPENT and turn from your wicked ways.
You choose to be a lot of things. And you are free to choose those things - and you SHOULD be free to choose those things. Yet, gays (even if it was a choice - it's not that simple) are persecuted for their lifystyle.
Unfortunately Obama sucks on civil rights. He's obviously been brainwashed by the religious right or willing to kiss the religious rights ass to get elected. What a disappointment.
This is news to me, but apparently "marriage" has religious connotations while "civil union" has legal connotations. I think that what Barack is doing by using the term "civil unions" is stating that he won't force all churches to perform same-sex marriages but that same-sex marriages will have all the same legal implications as heterosexual marriages. So, even though the language is stupid, I think it will still do what needs to get done; equal rights for everyone in the eyes of the law.
People Left & Right amaze me. Straights can get marriage licenses, gay people can not = straights ALREADY get civil unions, gays are REFUSED that, that's discrimination. Obama says - CHURCH and STATE must be separate. Civil Unions, gay or straight, that's STATE. "Marriage" is CHURCH, who cares? You don't get a divorce in CHURCH, you get it in a STATE court, where LEGAL rights are decided, not religious issues. So, Civil Unions = equal LEGAL rights, that come from the STATE, not the CHURCH.
Obama says - CHURCH and STATE must be separate. "Marriage" as a religious matter is decided in Churches. Marriage (or Civil Unions) as a LEGAL matter IS decided by the government, which should treat all couples (same sex or not) EQUALLY, but Obama says in fact discriminates, because the Religious RIght has got so many confused about CHURCH and STATE by framing up the discussion with the word "marriage" but not talking about what that word means in LEGAL TERMS, please read your US Constitution.
I can't vote for him. he is pandering to the religious right. Marriage is NOT a religious ceremony!!!! PERIOD. I can go into a court house and get married. I do not have to enter a church or temple to get married. Churches can deny marriage to whoever they please, but the state should not. equal rights are not special rights!
I agree, but I don't think this is a Barack-invented term. Those fighting for equal rights more or less started using "civil unions" instead of "marriage" because the right was throwing a hissy-fit about "protecting marriage". It's lame and it shouldn't be this way, but at least it'll solve the problem (assuming some jackass doesn't make any legal distinctions between marriage and civil unions).
@wewe2121122212346457 i was molested by my rabbi when i was a boy and now im gay too. my childhood was terrorized but i make the best of a bad situation
if a child is being adopted by a gay couple there wasn't even a mother to care for the child in the very 1st place! 2 caring parents are better than none
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there are plenty of normal couples waiting for children to adopt, no reason to resort to sexual deviants. One couple in NH was rejected cuz the wife had a speeding ticket 20 years ago!
fianlly someone who isnt voting for someone because their "popular" i personally am underage to vote,but ron paul IS my vote for white house. Thanks :)
The religious right is not going to give up government sanctioned married and accept civil union as the alternative. Marriage is the law of the land NOW and everyone deserves equality NOW. The neoconservatives are not going to give up rights they currently have regardless of how unconstitutional those rights might be. It makes sense to demand equality based on the current system rather than discussing the merits of civil union. Stop wasting time and demand equality now.
I couldn't write everything I had to, I believe that even straight couples without a religious affiliation should be getting "civil unions." The bond of civil union is governmental, and i think that a wedding is perfectly appropriate for one, and then each individual couple should decide whether they'll marry in a religious way.
What he is saying, is that the government should have no say AT ALL in "marriage" because it is generally a religious term. He believes that every couple, regardless of sex, should be able to have a civil union and get the same rights as any other couple. Then THEIR CHURCH can decide if they will conduct a same-sex marriage.
It's the separation of church and state that this country is SUPPOSED TO HAVE. And I applaud him for it.
I agree with you in the sense that the concept is great. It's just that the term "civil union" seems to have come from the Christians making claim on the term "marriage" which, before this, was never a purely religious term. So, some people view the "civil union" thing as a cop out. Here's hoping it's not, ya?
I think the government shouldn't give out marriage licenses period. I think everyone should get civil unions from the government and marriages from their Church. Let's finally separate Church and state!
Say! I never thought of this! I do believe this is the best idea yet! Good job. Did you think of this yourself? Why haven't I heard this before. Yes - civil unions from the state, marriage from your belief system's organization or jump a damn broom for all I care. It's personal, right?
I've heard this idea batted around. Like in discussions with my friends, this idea came up. I sort of contributed to the idea, but I didn't come up with it on my own.
What needs to be done is not to make gays and lesbians able to marry, but make hetero couples enter into civil unions according to the state. Then you leave the religious marriage up to the churches. So everyone needs to get a "Civil Union licence" as opposed to a "Marriage licence". It's merely wording that everyone is squabbling about.
Heterosexaul couples are already "made" to enter into Civil Unions, it's called "A Marriage License," which is in fact a right denied to homosexual couples. So you are completely right, it's only wording that people squabble about. What amazes me is that the Religious Right has been so good at confusing "marriage" and Church/State issues, that even (some) gay people are confused about their (lack of) legal rights. I really hate to say it, but I hear it all the time. Obama seems clear to me...
Obama's lack of support for Marriage Equality loses my vote. If only Obama spoke the truth like Mike Gravel. Get some backbone Obama and stop worrying about offending religious homophobes.
I see what you mean, but in order to get the vote of the people, he has to be carefull because many non-open minded religious people feel very strong on this issue because of the word "marriage" and what it symbolizes for them. As a gay man, I think his views on this issue are respectable without affending anyone. I just wish religious people were more educated on the issue. That in homosexuality, people are born that way, and the bible believes everybody is born pure.
Heterosexuals have the right to get married and most of us gay and lesbian folks can't in the US. This is discrimination!!!
I don't see any strait people protesting in the streets for Civil Union! Don't expect the LGBT activists to fix everything; we have enough problems. I'm not willing to sit on my ass and wait for that day.
But, are you willing to push away someone who articulates the proper separation of Church and State, that Civil Unions is about LEGAL rights, and Churches can do whatever, but NOT make STATE law based on CHURCH law? That kind of person is someone many heterosexuals can get behind. In fact, they are. Here is my thing - I am a bit tired of LGBT friends that prefer ambiguous intellectual ideology instead of just securing full concrete equal rights in a practical legal manner for ALL people.
So....... no one is trying to ban heterosexual atheists from getting married. Marriage licenses come from town hall, NOT church. Obama is just a moderate sell-out on this issue just like the other top two Democratic candidates [and don't even get me started on the Republicans]. "Civil unions" are separate but equal, people. This is ridiculous.
I agree. The whole "Christian claim" on the word marriage is absolutely ridiculous. Because of the claim, however, how could we not anticipate a phrase like "civil union"? I just hope you're wrong and that this whole civil union thing doesn't end up being another set of Jim Crow laws. :/
Christians aren't the only ones entitled to marriage under the law, nor are the threatened by legal marriage of other religious denominations. In fact plenty of Christian churches sanction gay marriage anyway, so there's really no argument left for not making it legal to every gay couple. For that matter, separate is not equal. America is not a theocracy.
Christians aren't the only ones entitled to marriage under the law, nor are the threatened by legal marriage of other religious denominations. In fact plenty of Christian churches sanction gay marriage anyway, so there's really no argument left for not making it legal to every gay couple. For that matter, separate is not equal. America is not a theocracy.
Mike Huckabee does not have a strong enough faith to really tell Romney what he thinks of Mormonism. It would cause a great spiritual warfare in our own country. The God of the Bible is very far from the Mormon god(s). Latter Day Saints use the name of Jesus Christ... but their beliefs differ much from Huckabee's Baptist (Christian) beliefs. Both candidates are bigots and cannot be truthful to our nation. Neither one knows much about grace or civil rights for gays.
Realize it this way The straights have demanded to get marriage as a civil right. Until the religious right fights to restrict marriage as religious only, then talk about tradition. Marriage is not a promise until death do you part. It is just a paper that can be done and broken as many times as you want. Gays are only trying to get equal rights (like hospital rights, and inheritance tax), but if they are able to marry, they will surely increase the average length marriages last.
blah blah blah, so funny that he says at the beginning that hes dad could not have married his mom back in the day and that "CHANGE!!!!" and evolution and common sense made that possible, but somehow, he does feel he needs to stop change for the gays and lesbians, yeah why don't we go back to the times when you couldn't even talk...for that matter
When I got "married" to my husband, I felt it was a "religious" commitment as well. Why do you have a right to that word and I don't? Our ceremony was before God and with God, even if it wasn't YOUR religion; in this country we should be free to practice our own religion. Mine says gays can "Marry".
Think of it like this,and in no way am I homophobic,marriage began in the"world" as a legal way to give responsiblity to a man for his wife and children;I dont have a problem with what people do behind closed doors; but some people have a hard time seeing it out in the streets; most people feel that personal affection shoud be left for behind closed doors hetrosexual or homosexual;this makes it in plain view of the public and it takes time for people to change their view of this tradition
okay so you want to pay attention to the part in the bible that you interpret to be about homosexuality. which is only an interpretation. so if you are going to live your life by what the bible says, why not pay attention to say the dietary laws that are in the bible?
i know, christians, as a whole, are known/supposed to be humble and accept evryone as they are. Some Christians HATE homosexuals, contradicting themselves and what the bible teaches them...
Honestly? Your religion is your decision. Do what you want, bless you. But FACT: gay couples don't have equal LEGAL rights, and that is wrong. That is something the STATE decides, not CHURCHES. If you get a divorce, will that be decided in church or court? Heterosexual special rights come from their marriage licenses, not from Churches, and Right Wing Churches are too mixed up in STATE lawmaking. YOUR Church says gays can marry, Obama is saying he opposes STATE laws that deny you LEGAL rights.
Obama is an empty suit. He goes to the gays and tries to con them out of their votes, while at the same time not giving them anything other than lipservice to make them think he is on their side. When will gays stop voting as gay people and start voting as Americans? The conservatives are the ones who want to protect your lives from the Islamofacists. The liberals are the ones siding with the radical Muslims of CAIR and other interest groups! Believe it!
wow. although i agree that obama is just giving out empty promises on this issue i completely disagree with the end part of your comment. if you are going to make radical statements like that at least have some semi-convincing facts to back it up.
So the conservatives don't want to stop terrorism, and the liberals do not want to pull out of Iraq? The liberals don't support C.A.I.R. as well as all their terrorist buddies in Guantanamo? What rock have you been living under?
But if a person does not believe in winning the war, then they aren't a conservative. Period end of story. The liberals on the other had represent all the anti-war idiots in the country.
Okay whatever, but Obama is a cut and run liberal who wants to leave Iraq and does not want to fight the war on terror. He doesn't want to protect America from the same terrorist who hang gay people in Iran.
There is no "war" on terror till Gee Dubya came along and told us there was. Ya, 9/11 was a terrorist attack, but so has many many other bombings. Look at Timothy McVeigh and the unibomber. They are American terrorists.
Timothy your a fucking idiot!! Grow the fuck up it's 2007 you moron! We all as Americans should have the same rights. And to compare us to "women who have sex with dogs"??? I've never even heard of that and for you to bring that up...well that says a lot about what you do in your spare time.
Tim...wow. Does that make you feel nore like a man?? You know Homophobes seem to be known as extreme inside closets gays... yep their the type that think just because you can prosecute them that your own gayness will go away. Your the kind we feel bad for :(
Really Ana???? I dont hate homosexuals in any way, and I consider myself a homophobe. I have a fear and aversion to homosexuals, but I dont hate them. I know for sure I'm not a murderer, but I am still against murder. I know for sure I'm not a litterer, but I am still against littering. Do you think I secretly fantasize about littering? That deep in my subconcious, I desire to litter, and protest against it, yet I pick up trash on the side of the road, to hide my true littering desires??!!!!!!
Its a slippery slope, when you start legitimizing sexual perversions in culture, where will it end? there are women who have sex with dogs. So what will be next, animal human marriages? Will animal-human sex be the next thing they want legalized?! and what about the whole NAMBLA/LGBT thing? and after that pedophilia/pederasty rights?! NO! stop it now!
look up pederasty on wikipedia, its totally sanctioned by the LGBT! its even a LGBT portal!
WOW...comparing homosexuality to beastiality is extremely offensive! We were all created equal. Just because someones sexual preference happens to be someone of the same sex does not make them less of a human being! Its people like you who take the idea of humanity and defile it! A human being should have the right to love another human being without being condemn to hell! Its people like youwho wanted to keep the slaves held captive and women from voting! I really do feel sorry for you!
you are ignorant. seriously! How many people do you know who have actually had sex with an animal...at that...how many of them likes it and continues to do so..and how many of those animals told you they like it said i want to marry my master...animals cant talk..they dont have a free will in the topic of marriage....anyone who believes that someone would want to marry a dog, or a tree, or their chair is ridiculously stupid,.the world is waiting for conservatives like YOU to die. thats all.
Comparing beastiality and pedophilia to homosexuality is just ignorant!
Homosexuality is between two CONSENTING legal adults who have the ability to sign a marriage license with full knowledge of what they are getting in to.
lets make a distinction here, no one is advocating relationship with children! We want the right to date teens! Pederasty is relationships with teens, no children. teens are developed, have pubic hair, and can experience orgasm!
I'm just saying they could be the next group, that demands their rights, after homosexuals. I'm not saying there are more homosexuals into beastiality.
I have seen some promotion of that agenda however, this is not something that can come next, but an issue that may come regardless of any of homosexual decisions. Let me tell you, though, why this is not even the same argument. First of all, an animal needs to be able to read and understand a civil license of marriage. Obviously this can't happen. Secondly, the age for marriage is commonly 18 in many states and most animals can not live for that long to be able to marry... continued..
That is a different kind of love. I can't be aroused by women. I have tried before too and I can't even get an erection with a woman. With a man though, I am ready to go right away and enjoy myself. This topic is not about fetishes though. This topic is about people who are not gay, trying to push laws for those who are and can not possibly understand. Other countries have already enacted gay rights such as marriage. How will you be negatively affected if gay marriage happens. You won't.
We are talking about two consenting adults to be wed here. I don't have a choice in partners. I simply cannot feel any love for a woman in the same way that you can not feel love for a man. To try and guess what other groups may or may not want after homosexual marriage is approved at this point is assuming way too much. The same arguments being made against gay marriage are the same arguments that were made against interracial marriages 30 years ago. Again, it was churches condemning it.
The comparison is the same. It is about civil rights and not because someone's skin is a different color. Even Martin Luther King was fighting for the equal rights of gays as was is late wife Coretta Scott King. She was also a strong advocate for gay rights. Also if all you are talking about is animal sex, then you're already too late. Many states have no laws pertaining to sex with animals being a crime. The main reason is because you can't get an animal's testimony in a court.
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While I completely think that the Biblical arguments more than sufficient for you (they provide very compelling moral and socio-historical grounds). I would offer you the following:
search the youtube vid entitled: "Daughter of a gay man speaks"
Personally it effects you, me and everyone else, because 'marriage' is a SOCIAL institution governed by laws for the collective benefit of society.Socially,absent the current laws,nothing prevents other arbitrary definitions /configurations emergin
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kumarleeta 1 year ago
Civil unions, separate but equal the sequel thanks for nothing Obama. Your solutions are proving your allegiance with the Capitalist Party and not with the people once again. Sell out. Two party system? That would be a break from what we've had in this country.
Paranoid4areason 2 years ago
Obama doesn't care one bit about gay people. He's just Bill Clinton all over again.
SubmarinerAndroid 2 years ago 2
Oh mr. obama, while your intentions of rights are good, your goal just simply is wrong. While religions are entitled to believe what they may, a license from the state cannot be denied on pure basis of race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. If there are conditions for marriage outside those things that have a clear purpose, that would be a different story and should be included in the definition of marriage.
mathmexican4234 3 years ago
Obama supported the California ban on gay marriage by his stupid support of only civil unions . Gays never should have thrown all their support and money to him. State bans on adoption and marriage make homosexuals the big losers of the 2008 election.
danieldrownr 3 years ago 2
Homosexulity is a sin. Read the word of God. He calls it an abomination when a man lies with a man or a woman lies with a woman as to perform sexual acts. True Christians cannont continue to practice this sinful lifestyle and call themselves Christians. You need to check up on your life. Resist satan and he will flee. Abstain from the very appearance of evil. Religion and Christianity is not the same. Religion is false. Christianity is the real thing.
dmcbbc 3 years ago
I absolutely agree
RayvenNyte09 3 years ago
Yes, true Christians have been tolerant of others long enough! We didn't come to America to be free from oppression, but to gain the power to oppress others, I think people have forgotten that! Maybe next you can go after preachers who wear glasses, that is also banned in the bible, as is trying to serve two masters, god and the people.
justjeshb 3 years ago
LOL don't you just love how Christians use scripture to support their own self-serving notions about what is right?
cantante189 2 years ago
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Anal rights activists make me sick to my stomach. It disgusts me and pisses me off that in 2003 all anti-sodomy laws were repealed by the left-wing extremists. Faggots should get life in prison for gay sex,just as they were given in Idaho back in 2002. The death penalty better serves these fuckers.
RightWingRightMind 3 years ago
What the fuck is an Anal right activist?
Oh and by the way Straight people have anal sex too dumbass.
musiclover1x5 3 years ago 3
It's annoying, b/c obama knows full well that ppl who aren't religious can get married at city hall and can call it a marriage and that PLENTY of gay ppl are actually christian and DO get married in their churches. I think this is just b/c advocating calling it marriage would lose a lot of votes for him though...
annpetasupporter 3 years ago
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Blah, blah, blah! I'm tired of hearing all the B.S. about what people don't understand. Homosexuals, please hear me! You cannot expect a man who believes in Jesus Christ and his teachings to agree on same sex "Marriage", politician or not! And he is being hypocritical by "agreeing" to civil unions. Why? Because no Christian should ever endorse sin, because God won't. But, he's trying to stay safe, get votes. He'll have to take that up with the Big Guy!
realmceo 3 years ago
Stripping homosexuals of their rights is not going to make them any less gay ... it is flat out discrimination and abuse and does nothing more than promote struggle and vastly greater sins.
If you want the 'godliness' that comes from an abusive theocracy, I suggest that you move to the majestic slums of Iran.
Jakemmx 3 years ago
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Man i Support Gay Stuff But sometimes People DOnt get how Its not Always There Fault There Gay.....
Quinto206 3 years ago
wtf is that suppose to mean, that its not always thier fault they are gay? people are born gay. always have, always will. if not please prove to me other wise. also while your at it, learn some grammar.
nate14ri 3 years ago 5
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well like i mean most people get raped because of those reasons and some like it Blame the people who r sick and like to rape people
Quinto206 3 years ago
"well like i mean most people get raped because of those reasons and some like it Blame the people who r sick and like to rape people"
Not only could I not read this jumbled mess, but I am not sure what it has to do with gay people.
Jakemmx 3 years ago 2
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People are not gay when there born,They just chose to be.
LegowarShow 3 years ago
people don't choose to be gay, i'm gay and if i had the choice to be straight i would be. However, i'm not attracted to the opposite sex. Again gay people don't choose to be gay.
nate14ri 3 years ago 5
people CHOOSE to be gay!!! you are clearly not religous so im talking to a brick wall here, but if you are think of it like this... Did god, who is without imperfection, make a child of his, GAY! And then turn around in the bible and say "DONT BE GAY!" wow you people need to get a life
bstpitch 3 years ago
there is no God, homosexuals do not choose to be gay
argetfalcon 3 years ago 5
religion has nothing to do with me being gay. except maybe when i use the bible to prop up the bed thats not level.....
nate14ri 3 years ago
Let me address this dreadfully cynical comment by someone who has not had the opportunity to meet the One True God of this life and this world. I take more of an offense to someone using the most Holy Bible as a leveler for an unlevel bed than I do as to what you do in your bed room. I am not religious. I am a Christian, there is a big difference. Take time to understand the word of God and you will see that God loves you and all other sinners!
dmcbbc 3 years ago
Ya i find that hard to belive,But if thats the life style you choose to live,then i can do nothing at all.
hawknelsonjoker 3 years ago
Being gay has nothing to do with who you are attracted to, unless they changed the definition recently. It is what you do sexually, not what you think about.
Example: A man who is attracted to other men sleeps with women. Is he gay? No, he sleeps with women, so he's straight.
The bottom line is that you choose who to sleep with, so, yes, it is a choice.
thegwenster 3 years ago
a man who is attracted to men and sleeps with a woman is only fooling himself, and is trying to choose a different lifestyle. However, he is still attracted to men none the less and thus, remains gay, even if he never has sex w/ a man.
nate14ri 3 years ago 4
Just like everyone, that man is born with a Sinful desire. Some are given the desire to steal, to lie, to cheat, to murder, to gossip, to do all of the above, but you chose to do those things. YOU CHOSE! So does a person chose to go after the Lusts of the flesh and seek to satisfy something that only God can satisfy. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. REPENT and turn from your wicked ways.
dmcbbc 3 years ago
how would you know the answer to that? are you gay? becuase that's the only type of person who can answer that.
nate14ri 3 years ago 6
...and your point is?
You choose to be a lot of things. And you are free to choose those things - and you SHOULD be free to choose those things. Yet, gays (even if it was a choice - it's not that simple) are persecuted for their lifystyle.
That's not okay.
y2kmicroboy 3 years ago
Are you retarded?
Kaitoujeff1984 3 years ago
30 years ago gay marriage/civil union would of had no support & now it does.
Does Barack support the bisexual community for marriage of multiples and with full benefits and responsibilities of marriage?
covakid 3 years ago
Unfortunately Obama sucks on civil rights. He's obviously been brainwashed by the religious right or willing to kiss the religious rights ass to get elected. What a disappointment.
yogatoes 4 years ago
No gay marriage? What happened to yes we can Barack?
Devin1498 4 years ago
This is news to me, but apparently "marriage" has religious connotations while "civil union" has legal connotations. I think that what Barack is doing by using the term "civil unions" is stating that he won't force all churches to perform same-sex marriages but that same-sex marriages will have all the same legal implications as heterosexual marriages. So, even though the language is stupid, I think it will still do what needs to get done; equal rights for everyone in the eyes of the law.
colorspiral 3 years ago
People Left & Right amaze me. Straights can get marriage licenses, gay people can not = straights ALREADY get civil unions, gays are REFUSED that, that's discrimination. Obama says - CHURCH and STATE must be separate. Civil Unions, gay or straight, that's STATE. "Marriage" is CHURCH, who cares? You don't get a divorce in CHURCH, you get it in a STATE court, where LEGAL rights are decided, not religious issues. So, Civil Unions = equal LEGAL rights, that come from the STATE, not the CHURCH.
wally4media 4 years ago
I dont get it.
Is he saying that same sec people cant get married?
or can they?
FreakinPeopleOut 4 years ago
Obama says - CHURCH and STATE must be separate. "Marriage" as a religious matter is decided in Churches. Marriage (or Civil Unions) as a LEGAL matter IS decided by the government, which should treat all couples (same sex or not) EQUALLY, but Obama says in fact discriminates, because the Religious RIght has got so many confused about CHURCH and STATE by framing up the discussion with the word "marriage" but not talking about what that word means in LEGAL TERMS, please read your US Constitution.
wally4media 4 years ago
Sorry, I mean the two messages below are responding to wewe.
KrisMayeaux 4 years ago
Folks, just come up to Canada and get married. There is no residency requirement and no hassle. Peace!
darylfn 4 years ago
I can't vote for him. he is pandering to the religious right. Marriage is NOT a religious ceremony!!!! PERIOD. I can go into a court house and get married. I do not have to enter a church or temple to get married. Churches can deny marriage to whoever they please, but the state should not. equal rights are not special rights!
wewe2121122212346457 4 years ago 7
Finally a left wing liberal(you) and a member of the religious right (me) agree on something -- neither of us are going to vote for him. PERIOD. LOL
KrisMayeaux 4 years ago
(The above meessage was meant for wewe)
KrisMayeaux 4 years ago
I agree, but I don't think this is a Barack-invented term. Those fighting for equal rights more or less started using "civil unions" instead of "marriage" because the right was throwing a hissy-fit about "protecting marriage". It's lame and it shouldn't be this way, but at least it'll solve the problem (assuming some jackass doesn't make any legal distinctions between marriage and civil unions).
colorspiral 3 years ago
@wewe2121122212346457 WELL SOON OBAMA TURD AND YOU DEMOCRAPS ARE NOT GONNA EXIST ANY LONGER!
carribbeandreams2004 1 year ago
@wewe2121122212346457 i was molested by my rabbi when i was a boy and now im gay too. my childhood was terrorized but i make the best of a bad situation
verysoliy 2 months ago
if a child is being adopted by a gay couple there wasn't even a mother to care for the child in the very 1st place! 2 caring parents are better than none
goingemoguy 4 years ago
thats exactly how i look at it!!
xeatmyshorts 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
there are plenty of normal couples waiting for children to adopt, no reason to resort to sexual deviants. One couple in NH was rejected cuz the wife had a speeding ticket 20 years ago!
TimothyRed1990 4 years ago
Uh, I am voting for Ron Paul and Uh.
lewis18t 4 years ago
fianlly someone who isnt voting for someone because their "popular" i personally am underage to vote,but ron paul IS my vote for white house. Thanks :)
MandaRocksYourWorld 4 years ago
The religious right is not going to give up government sanctioned married and accept civil union as the alternative. Marriage is the law of the land NOW and everyone deserves equality NOW. The neoconservatives are not going to give up rights they currently have regardless of how unconstitutional those rights might be. It makes sense to demand equality based on the current system rather than discussing the merits of civil union. Stop wasting time and demand equality now.
thicktoes 4 years ago
I couldn't write everything I had to, I believe that even straight couples without a religious affiliation should be getting "civil unions." The bond of civil union is governmental, and i think that a wedding is perfectly appropriate for one, and then each individual couple should decide whether they'll marry in a religious way.
courtbahh 4 years ago
What he is saying, is that the government should have no say AT ALL in "marriage" because it is generally a religious term. He believes that every couple, regardless of sex, should be able to have a civil union and get the same rights as any other couple. Then THEIR CHURCH can decide if they will conduct a same-sex marriage.
It's the separation of church and state that this country is SUPPOSED TO HAVE. And I applaud him for it.
courtbahh 4 years ago
I agree with you in the sense that the concept is great. It's just that the term "civil union" seems to have come from the Christians making claim on the term "marriage" which, before this, was never a purely religious term. So, some people view the "civil union" thing as a cop out. Here's hoping it's not, ya?
colorspiral 3 years ago
I think the government shouldn't give out marriage licenses period. I think everyone should get civil unions from the government and marriages from their Church. Let's finally separate Church and state!
AngryPirateProd 3 years ago 13
Say! I never thought of this! I do believe this is the best idea yet! Good job. Did you think of this yourself? Why haven't I heard this before. Yes - civil unions from the state, marriage from your belief system's organization or jump a damn broom for all I care. It's personal, right?
cadetstarnoodle 3 years ago
I've heard this idea batted around. Like in discussions with my friends, this idea came up. I sort of contributed to the idea, but I didn't come up with it on my own.
AngryPirateProd 3 years ago
What needs to be done is not to make gays and lesbians able to marry, but make hetero couples enter into civil unions according to the state. Then you leave the religious marriage up to the churches. So everyone needs to get a "Civil Union licence" as opposed to a "Marriage licence". It's merely wording that everyone is squabbling about.
AidenIsLove 4 years ago
that makes sense to me
BraveBird 4 years ago
that's cool. makes perfect sense.
Hiddasan 4 years ago
Heterosexaul couples are already "made" to enter into Civil Unions, it's called "A Marriage License," which is in fact a right denied to homosexual couples. So you are completely right, it's only wording that people squabble about. What amazes me is that the Religious Right has been so good at confusing "marriage" and Church/State issues, that even (some) gay people are confused about their (lack of) legal rights. I really hate to say it, but I hear it all the time. Obama seems clear to me...
wally4media 4 years ago
Obama's lack of support for Marriage Equality loses my vote. If only Obama spoke the truth like Mike Gravel. Get some backbone Obama and stop worrying about offending religious homophobes.
yogatoes 4 years ago
I see what you mean, but in order to get the vote of the people, he has to be carefull because many non-open minded religious people feel very strong on this issue because of the word "marriage" and what it symbolizes for them. As a gay man, I think his views on this issue are respectable without affending anyone. I just wish religious people were more educated on the issue. That in homosexuality, people are born that way, and the bible believes everybody is born pure.
OCrebel 4 years ago
Heterosexuals have the right to get married and most of us gay and lesbian folks can't in the US. This is discrimination!!!
I don't see any strait people protesting in the streets for Civil Union! Don't expect the LGBT activists to fix everything; we have enough problems. I'm not willing to sit on my ass and wait for that day.
yogatoes 4 years ago
But, are you willing to push away someone who articulates the proper separation of Church and State, that Civil Unions is about LEGAL rights, and Churches can do whatever, but NOT make STATE law based on CHURCH law? That kind of person is someone many heterosexuals can get behind. In fact, they are. Here is my thing - I am a bit tired of LGBT friends that prefer ambiguous intellectual ideology instead of just securing full concrete equal rights in a practical legal manner for ALL people.
wally4media 4 years ago
Hey, I'm straight and I totally support gay rights. We got your back. ;)
colorspiral 3 years ago 2
Not to mention that what the Bible says should have no sway over our legal system. Just a thought.
colorspiral 3 years ago
So....... no one is trying to ban heterosexual atheists from getting married. Marriage licenses come from town hall, NOT church. Obama is just a moderate sell-out on this issue just like the other top two Democratic candidates [and don't even get me started on the Republicans]. "Civil unions" are separate but equal, people. This is ridiculous.
evolveordissolve 4 years ago
I agree. The whole "Christian claim" on the word marriage is absolutely ridiculous. Because of the claim, however, how could we not anticipate a phrase like "civil union"? I just hope you're wrong and that this whole civil union thing doesn't end up being another set of Jim Crow laws. :/
colorspiral 3 years ago
Christians aren't the only ones entitled to marriage under the law, nor are the threatened by legal marriage of other religious denominations. In fact plenty of Christian churches sanction gay marriage anyway, so there's really no argument left for not making it legal to every gay couple. For that matter, separate is not equal. America is not a theocracy.
Devin1498 3 years ago 4
Christians aren't the only ones entitled to marriage under the law, nor are the threatened by legal marriage of other religious denominations. In fact plenty of Christian churches sanction gay marriage anyway, so there's really no argument left for not making it legal to every gay couple. For that matter, separate is not equal. America is not a theocracy.
Devin1498 3 years ago 2
VOTE 4 OBAMA!!!!
pablobix1 4 years ago
Every other word is "uh". He should change it to duh! uh. uh... uh... I'd be ashamed too if I was saying what he is saying.
vera2551 4 years ago
Mike Huckabee does not have a strong enough faith to really tell Romney what he thinks of Mormonism. It would cause a great spiritual warfare in our own country. The God of the Bible is very far from the Mormon god(s). Latter Day Saints use the name of Jesus Christ... but their beliefs differ much from Huckabee's Baptist (Christian) beliefs. Both candidates are bigots and cannot be truthful to our nation. Neither one knows much about grace or civil rights for gays.
loosershate 4 years ago
Realize it this way The straights have demanded to get marriage as a civil right. Until the religious right fights to restrict marriage as religious only, then talk about tradition. Marriage is not a promise until death do you part. It is just a paper that can be done and broken as many times as you want. Gays are only trying to get equal rights (like hospital rights, and inheritance tax), but if they are able to marry, they will surely increase the average length marriages last.
muscle01 4 years ago 2
blah blah blah, so funny that he says at the beginning that hes dad could not have married his mom back in the day and that "CHANGE!!!!" and evolution and common sense made that possible, but somehow, he does feel he needs to stop change for the gays and lesbians, yeah why don't we go back to the times when you couldn't even talk...for that matter
charlix50 4 years ago 2
When I got "married" to my husband, I felt it was a "religious" commitment as well. Why do you have a right to that word and I don't? Our ceremony was before God and with God, even if it wasn't YOUR religion; in this country we should be free to practice our own religion. Mine says gays can "Marry".
infjjim 4 years ago
Think of it like this,and in no way am I homophobic,marriage began in the"world" as a legal way to give responsiblity to a man for his wife and children;I dont have a problem with what people do behind closed doors; but some people have a hard time seeing it out in the streets; most people feel that personal affection shoud be left for behind closed doors hetrosexual or homosexual;this makes it in plain view of the public and it takes time for people to change their view of this tradition
fantasiafanShawana 4 years ago
America'a religion says you can't, and so do its laws. Believe it!
BelieveIt1051 4 years ago
okay so you want to pay attention to the part in the bible that you interpret to be about homosexuality. which is only an interpretation. so if you are going to live your life by what the bible says, why not pay attention to say the dietary laws that are in the bible?
ambernw06 4 years ago
i know, christians, as a whole, are known/supposed to be humble and accept evryone as they are. Some Christians HATE homosexuals, contradicting themselves and what the bible teaches them...
FamilyGuyRockz2009 4 years ago
Honestly? Your religion is your decision. Do what you want, bless you. But FACT: gay couples don't have equal LEGAL rights, and that is wrong. That is something the STATE decides, not CHURCHES. If you get a divorce, will that be decided in church or court? Heterosexual special rights come from their marriage licenses, not from Churches, and Right Wing Churches are too mixed up in STATE lawmaking. YOUR Church says gays can marry, Obama is saying he opposes STATE laws that deny you LEGAL rights.
wally4media 4 years ago
Obama is an empty suit. He goes to the gays and tries to con them out of their votes, while at the same time not giving them anything other than lipservice to make them think he is on their side. When will gays stop voting as gay people and start voting as Americans? The conservatives are the ones who want to protect your lives from the Islamofacists. The liberals are the ones siding with the radical Muslims of CAIR and other interest groups! Believe it!
BelieveIt1051 4 years ago
wow. although i agree that obama is just giving out empty promises on this issue i completely disagree with the end part of your comment. if you are going to make radical statements like that at least have some semi-convincing facts to back it up.
sisterinsomnia 4 years ago
So the conservatives don't want to stop terrorism, and the liberals do not want to pull out of Iraq? The liberals don't support C.A.I.R. as well as all their terrorist buddies in Guantanamo? What rock have you been living under?
BelieveIt1051 4 years ago
im saying that not every liberal wants to pull out of iraq and not every liberal supports CAIR.
and on the flip side not every conservative wants to stay in iraq and believes in the cause of the war on terror.
sisterinsomnia 4 years ago
But if a person does not believe in winning the war, then they aren't a conservative. Period end of story. The liberals on the other had represent all the anti-war idiots in the country.
BelieveIt1051 4 years ago
all im saying is that you cant generalize the entire country as liberal or conservative and pro war and anti-war.
the world is not black and white like that.
sisterinsomnia 4 years ago
Okay whatever, but Obama is a cut and run liberal who wants to leave Iraq and does not want to fight the war on terror. He doesn't want to protect America from the same terrorist who hang gay people in Iran.
BelieveIt1051 4 years ago
There is no "war" on terror till Gee Dubya came along and told us there was. Ya, 9/11 was a terrorist attack, but so has many many other bombings. Look at Timothy McVeigh and the unibomber. They are American terrorists.
AidenIsLove 4 years ago
He even has a hard time finding a word for what we are that's PC- the delays. I don't want to wait another 4 years waiting, I'm voting for Hillary.
owenslife 4 years ago
Timothy your a fucking idiot!! Grow the fuck up it's 2007 you moron! We all as Americans should have the same rights. And to compare us to "women who have sex with dogs"??? I've never even heard of that and for you to bring that up...well that says a lot about what you do in your spare time.
ana0907 4 years ago
its 2008! Time for the old homosexual pedos to step down, and for the Young Homophobes of America to step up!
TimothyRed1990 4 years ago
Tim...wow. Does that make you feel nore like a man?? You know Homophobes seem to be known as extreme inside closets gays... yep their the type that think just because you can prosecute them that your own gayness will go away. Your the kind we feel bad for :(
ana0907 4 years ago 2
Really Ana???? I dont hate homosexuals in any way, and I consider myself a homophobe. I have a fear and aversion to homosexuals, but I dont hate them. I know for sure I'm not a murderer, but I am still against murder. I know for sure I'm not a litterer, but I am still against littering. Do you think I secretly fantasize about littering? That deep in my subconcious, I desire to litter, and protest against it, yet I pick up trash on the side of the road, to hide my true littering desires??!!!!!!
TimothyRed1990 3 years ago
Its a slippery slope, when you start legitimizing sexual perversions in culture, where will it end? there are women who have sex with dogs. So what will be next, animal human marriages? Will animal-human sex be the next thing they want legalized?! and what about the whole NAMBLA/LGBT thing? and after that pedophilia/pederasty rights?! NO! stop it now!
look up pederasty on wikipedia, its totally sanctioned by the LGBT! its even a LGBT portal!
TimothyRed1990 4 years ago
WOW...comparing homosexuality to beastiality is extremely offensive! We were all created equal. Just because someones sexual preference happens to be someone of the same sex does not make them less of a human being! Its people like you who take the idea of humanity and defile it! A human being should have the right to love another human being without being condemn to hell! Its people like youwho wanted to keep the slaves held captive and women from voting! I really do feel sorry for you!
cuntysasha 4 years ago 3
not true, some of my best friends are black!
TimothyRed1990 4 years ago
you are ignorant. seriously! How many people do you know who have actually had sex with an animal...at that...how many of them likes it and continues to do so..and how many of those animals told you they like it said i want to marry my master...animals cant talk..they dont have a free will in the topic of marriage....anyone who believes that someone would want to marry a dog, or a tree, or their chair is ridiculously stupid,.the world is waiting for conservatives like YOU to die. thats all.
01013955 4 years ago 3
I'm a democrat and not conservative. I will specialize in environment, and voting for Hillary.
TimothyRed1990 4 years ago
I'm an environment loving, pro choice, democrat. I'm also two years YOUNGER than you, lol, so I'll be waiting for YOU to die, pops..
TimothyRed1990 4 years ago
pederasty is the relationship between an adult/young adult and a child.
and it is only supported by LGBT within the legal framework of society.
if you actually read the article that you cited you would know that.
sisterinsomnia 4 years ago
Comparing beastiality and pedophilia to homosexuality is just ignorant!
Homosexuality is between two CONSENTING legal adults who have the ability to sign a marriage license with full knowledge of what they are getting in to.
It's just that simple. Stop being an idiot.
Sessly 4 years ago 6
lets make a distinction here, no one is advocating relationship with children! We want the right to date teens! Pederasty is relationships with teens, no children. teens are developed, have pubic hair, and can experience orgasm!
LGBTpower 4 years ago
I know this is an 8 month old comment, but I know someone into beastiality and he's straight. Comparing gays to beastiality is just dumb.
AidenIsLove 4 years ago
I'm just saying they could be the next group, that demands their rights, after homosexuals. I'm not saying there are more homosexuals into beastiality.
TimothyRed1990 4 years ago
I have seen some promotion of that agenda however, this is not something that can come next, but an issue that may come regardless of any of homosexual decisions. Let me tell you, though, why this is not even the same argument. First of all, an animal needs to be able to read and understand a civil license of marriage. Obviously this can't happen. Secondly, the age for marriage is commonly 18 in many states and most animals can not live for that long to be able to marry... continued..
AidenIsLove 4 years ago
Also, I do feel love for some men. A man can love another man, without attempting to have sex with him. What about your mother? dont you love her?
TimothyRed1990 4 years ago
That is a different kind of love. I can't be aroused by women. I have tried before too and I can't even get an erection with a woman. With a man though, I am ready to go right away and enjoy myself. This topic is not about fetishes though. This topic is about people who are not gay, trying to push laws for those who are and can not possibly understand. Other countries have already enacted gay rights such as marriage. How will you be negatively affected if gay marriage happens. You won't.
AidenIsLove 4 years ago
We are talking about two consenting adults to be wed here. I don't have a choice in partners. I simply cannot feel any love for a woman in the same way that you can not feel love for a man. To try and guess what other groups may or may not want after homosexual marriage is approved at this point is assuming way too much. The same arguments being made against gay marriage are the same arguments that were made against interracial marriages 30 years ago. Again, it was churches condemning it.
AidenIsLove 4 years ago
I was talking about animal sex being the next thing they will want legalized, not animal marriage.
I am not religous and have nothing against black people. Please do not compare homosexuality to being black, that is highly offensive to black people.
TimothyRed1990 4 years ago
The comparison is the same. It is about civil rights and not because someone's skin is a different color. Even Martin Luther King was fighting for the equal rights of gays as was is late wife Coretta Scott King. She was also a strong advocate for gay rights. Also if all you are talking about is animal sex, then you're already too late. Many states have no laws pertaining to sex with animals being a crime. The main reason is because you can't get an animal's testimony in a court.
AidenIsLove 4 years ago
idiot! Ur an idiot!!
ana0907 4 years ago
EQUALITY is No#1 1400 Federal RIGHTS go with Marriage... 0 Federal RIGHTS go with Civil Unions.
rextrek 4 years ago
Not a word about gay rights in Selma, because he was surrounded by two politicians (Sanders & Davis) that voted against gay marriage.
EMSlydell 4 years ago