Charlie Rose - Zbigniew Brzezinski / Diabetes Prevention...

[Diatonic135]

it s surprising how oversimplified this diabetes debate is.

there's not much simple about it.

[bfq3000]

"We know of their deep belief in God and we are confident that their struggle will succeed. That land over there is yours. You will go back to it one day, because your fight will prevail and you'll have your homes and your mosques back again, because your cause is right and God is on your side." - Zbigniew Brzezinski to Afghani mujahideen fighters in 1980

[gunsandbullhorns]

Brzezinski reminds me of Stewie from 'Family Guy'. Especially when he gets frustrated. If you don't respect him, he acts like a little baby. I realize he is often hailed as a "genius", but his writing strikes me as machiavellian— it's more elitist than "brilliant".

I get sick of watching this guy act reasonable on these television shows.

[aoknponte]

I don`t know much about this man or his past but here and now he shows good reasoning and good sense.

[Serge808]

he created the taliban so they could screw screw with russia.he's a veritable monster.

[mfcesmo]

Anyway isn't american terror and american wars all around the world just a little bit old and boring now? The world is not America. Patriotic americans do not support mal wars and robbery, Americans have not right to be in Iraq they have not right to be anywhere outside of america and kill peoples

[siptx]

mccain in my opinion would not position the united states in this new world order in a manner in which this country deserves. bush has really put this country at risk of not being the major player. that will be his legacy.

[siptx]

fascinating insight into Brzezinski representing Obama. this is a defining moment in the wakening of the new world order. is it good for america? i think thats the question we should all seriously ask ourselves when we vote this election.."who represents me best in this new world order". that man for me is barack obama.

[mac420101]

My Only problem is how is it, the Geo-Stragetist, on both sides, think that how they think and drive foreign policy forward really solves anything, only to ignite further hatred of Americans in general, regardless of who the current Administration is. All I can say is with the "human Condition" we tend to only further incite rather than solve anything or to work together.

[Danda1999]

A vote for Obama is a vote for the madman Zbigniew Brezezinski, who lobbied to have a Chechen terrorist gain permanent US Asylum so he does not have to face Russian justice. Ilyas Khamzatovich Akhmadov is this terrorists name. His superior officer and friend was Shamil Basayev, the one responsible for the Beslan school massacre. He lives now in D.C. fully at the taxpayers expense along with travel expenses being covered, an office and private security. Thanks Brzezinski. Asshole.

[orion9812]

Chechens aren't terrorists, they are a perfect example of authentic freedom-fighters.

Beslan was not committed by Chechens, it was a false-flag operation orchestrated and executed by elements of the corrupt Russian government in order to serve as a pre-text for an escalation of Russia's genocide in Chechnya.

Brzezinski has every reason to hate Russia, he is a Polish man who has seen his countrymen butchered by the Russians for his entire life.

[Danda1999]

Then Hamas, the Iraqi insurgency and any other group are to be considered freedom fighters. All Chechens are not terrorists, no, I never said that. But there are those who are. Of those, many of their own words admit to this. So, perhaps 9-11 was a false flag operation perpetrated by the US and Israel? Of course, to perpetrate genocide against Afghanistan and Iraq and perhaps Iran and Syria as well? This makes as much sense. Brezinski is a rabid zionist and butchering seems like his agenda.

[dilbertgeg]

Danda1999,

Brezinski is a rabid zionist

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If by "zionist" you mean "western imperialist", yes.

If by "zionist" you mean supporter of Israel, Israelis and Neo-conservatives HATE Brzezinski, while Brzezinski mildly but firmly criticizes Isr actions in Gaza and the West Bank.

I'm NOT defending Brzezinski. He writes very liberal books, but openly took the lead in explicitly supporting Islamic radicalism, even according to Wikipedia.

[mcshotgun96]

Chechens are freedom fighters????? Maybe in 1995, but the fighters in 2000-2008 are terrorists. Russia was defeated and left Chechnia in 1996, but chechen terrorist kept bombing russia, now they want to start an islamic gov't there, Beslan was perpatrated by chechen islamic terrorists.

[manofsan]

Brzezinski is purely motivated by defending Poland. He is an extra-territorialist. His defense of Islam merely amounts to "The Islamic Enemy of My Russian Enemy is My Friend".Brzezinski has gone from aggressively asserting US power-projection in "The Grand Chessboard" when his Clintonite cronies were in power, to suddenly conveniently embracing liberalism when he finds himself shut out of power.

[manofsan]

Everybody sees this man as the fraud he is.

He is a hardliner at his core, make no mistake. He's only upset about the Iraq War, because he's angry that it's taken the Russians out of the crosshairs. He wants war -- but against Russians, rather than the Arabs. He's angry that US military power is not being prostituted in the direction he'd prefer.

[lesz81]

Brzezinski is purely motivated by defending Poland? Hehehe... You must really not know anything about Poland's foreign policy... I have been following him closely in the Polish media, and this guy is American, but knows where he came from. Most of all, he has been the advocate of U.S-Central Europe Alliance, which is very much in your interest(ex. anti-missile defence) He has tried constantly to sell this idea to Poland, cause he belives its in the interest of both Washington and Warsaw.

[LanysNevelesser]

Considering his history with the Afghanistan conflict, I would say that of all people, Brzezinski would be the one most qualified to recognise when we're deliberately provoking a nation into confrontation for ulterior motives.

So when he says that's what we're doing with Iran, I listen. If you want to know about weapons, seek the advice of a marksman.

[VaughanJer]

Of course that's what our Government is doing... we never fight fair. We push people or countries into a position of self defense, and then when they actually do defend themselves (either militarily or economically) we quickly label them as terrorists and get UN sanctions against them. This weakens the country from within until they can't even function. Lastly, we come in to "save the day", "kill the terrorists", and restore "democracy".

[LanysNevelesser]

There are over 190 countries in the world, Vaughan, and the USA doesn't act against all or even most of them in the way you describe.

The history of Latin America and the Middle East is bad enough without us exaggerating malign influences into planetwide plagues.

[VaughanJer]

Panama, Iraq (twice), Somalia, Iran (going on twice), Afghanistan (twice), Haiti... I can go on... what do all these nations have in common? I think you know... you seem to be quite bright. The U.S. doesn't pressure or attack nations that don't have massive reserves or a direct threat to our reserves. They are simply suppressed by insanely out of control World Bank loans so they can never emerge as a world power and use up resources that we claim ownership to.

[wabdinur]

You don't get to become a superpower by being nice and willing to share. Sadly that's the truth.

[VaughanJer]

I agree with that 100%, and it is sad that it is that way. Our country was founded on being kind and sharing with neighbors (excluding the Indians of course... that's another topic though!) We used to be liked around the world because of our values of liberty and freedom, but now all that has changed and we have to basically lie to get countries to go along with us...

[rforbes1]

Richard Berstein is getting close. I agree with his dietary recommendations. On my website listed under my bio is an article titled The Diabetes Mess. I will have a book out in 6-12 months titled Diabetes, New Diagnosis, New Treatment (for both type 1 and type 2)

[dogdoom]

He makes several good points.Hes not saying hes an expert,hes offering a concise,educated opinion in DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS between two countries.Thats one of our many problems inamerica...we think we own the world and we're having a hard time facing the reality rhat we dont.Also im not a fan of the CFR but im smart enough to listen when someone says something that makes sense.

[MaciekMustang]

Good Good. Zbig ! Real gangsta name :) Seriously i thnik he is one of the most clever people in the world.

[VaughanJer]

"one of the most clever people in the world?" - you may be right. I would have to go with one of the most evil people in the world though. I guess clever and evil go hand-in-hand since very few people even know or care about what this traitor did when he was in the Carter administration. HE FUNDED MUSLIM TERRORISTS TO FIGHT RUSSIA!! THESE TERRORISTS LATER BECAME THE TALIBAN AND AL-QUEDA!! WAKE UP!!

[wabdinur]

He got other people to bleed for America, he got other people to do the dirty work for America. he got other people to humiliate the Soviets and make them have their Vietnam war. The Taliban just came from Pakistan after the Soviets were kicked out and they were made and supported by Pakistan, not America.

[VaughanJer]

I agree that Taliban was not supported by America at first, but Google this quote which pertains to our interests in a pipeline through Afghanistan. "Either you accept our carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs."

Google "carpet of gold carpet of bombs" to find articles and documents. The U.S. Government wanted to fund the Taliban in order to build and protect a pipeline, which is actually being built right now as I type this.

[wabdinur]

As much as we would like to believe that the American administration supports human rights, that's far from it. American administrations gave a blind eye to the Taliban and their strict form of Islam they enforced onto the Afghani citizens as long as the Taliban allowed petroleum to flow from Afghanistan and into American ships. This dirty business scheme didn't start with the Taliban nor will it end with the Taliban.

[VaughanJer]

You are right about that one... We did it in '90 after Kuwait seized the Rumala oil fields in response to Saddam defying OPEC and nationalizing his oil fields in an effort to pay back massive debts... I don't support him one bit, but we have to admit that we armed him in the past... we tried to do it in '93 in Somalia and we all know how that turned out. Quite frankly... we're doing it right now. I can send you countless documents (U.S and Iraqi) that discuss how to divide up their oil.

[wabdinur]

I don't see why you have to attack Zbigniew Brzezinski's views because of his past when he really has changed a lot and is more progressive than the current administration. Doesn't he state a lot good things on this video?

[VaughanJer]

Yes he does state a lot of "good things"... that's what bad people always do to conceal their evilness. Have you read his books and interviews in the past? I'm sorry, but I don't believe that people ever change unless they are forced to face their deeds and reconcile... either religiously or physically. He has done neither and refuses to answer tough questions about his time in office... what's he hiding?

[wabdinur]

What does he stand to gain from saying all this stuff then?-If he really hasn't changed. What is his agenda? Is it to contain Iran because Iran is a threat to Israel?-& taking advantage of the Arab's instinctive fear of Iran to use it against Iran . Do you think he might be thinking that?

[VaughanJer]

Well, he founded the Trilateral Commission and was on the board of directors for the CFR. He is an associate of the war criminal, Henry Kissinger (who can't even go to certain countries because of war crimes brought up against him). He has also attended Bilderberg Group meetings, which is another global elite think tank. I judge people by their actions and not by what they say. This man has been working towards everything a fee man stands against for the majority of his life.

[VaughanJer]

I meant to say "free man" at the end of my last comment, not "fee man". Just to clarify... I'm sure you figured what I meant. One more thing... I'm not trying to insult or belittle you in any way during this little debate, which happens a lot on forums. I have full respect for you as a free individual whose thoughts and beliefs are just as precious as my own. I enjoy conversing with people who have different viewpoints... preaching to the choir is really quite boring.

[wabdinur]

Besides, Zbigniew Brzezinski couldn't have foreseen the 9/11 attacks when he supported the Mujahideen back in the 70's. But we came to learn from those actions back then and we applied that to Iraq (after it was illegally attacked of course). That's why we worry about Iraq and how it might become a terrorist heaven and a terrorist exporter state. I agree with him when he says, let's talk to our enemies before we rush to bombing them (Iran for example).

[VaughanJer]

I don't fully agree with your assessment about 9/11... read "Blowback". Of course nobody wants a terrorist haven, so doesn't it make you wonder when you hear and read reports about us arming former anti-American militants to fight "Al Qeuda" simply because they said they have switched sides? I don't buy it... besides declassified Pentagon documents explain that the goal is to keep the region unstable therefore validating a permanent security presence.

[wabdinur]

The Iraqi iron curtain has been broken down by America and the Iranians are coming right through...somebody has to contain them. At least your ambassador to Canada said it best when he stated that, at least Canada was honest about not joining the Iraqi war (unless the UN mandated it) but America is disappointed with the ones that promised they would join the war and they are abandoning America in Iraq.

[VaughanJer]

I completely disagree. Basically right after the "iron curtain" collapsed is when we moved in on our Middle Eastern interests (oil). We overthrew the Iranian government and installed a brutal leader, which the people violently overthrew. People in the Middle East remember this and they see it happening again in Iraq to replace our former puppet, Saddam. Besides, who care if the UN mandates a war or not? Our Congress decides that as stated in the Constitution.

[wabdinur]

I'm just saying, if America says screw you to the UN, then why should other nations listen to the UN. This action weakens the UN and what it stands for. Find any nation that has any respect for the UN now. Funny how Bush portrayed Iraq as renegade state that needed to be stopped while all Iraq's neighbors (except Iran) and Europe didn't see Iraq as an immediate threat.

[VaughanJer]

The UN erodes the sovereignty of it's member nations. In the U.S. we now go to war over UN mandates, and when we can't get the UN the issue authority for military action, then we get to issue economic sanctions to punish the governments in question. Sanctions sound all nice and peaceful, but you should see the carnage it causes on the citizens... they are the ones ultimately affected, not their governments. The UN preaches human rights for all, while systematically starving millions.

[LanysNevelesser]

He funded Muslim terrorists who fought the Soviets in Afghanistan, eh? Only they weren't Muslim terrorists then, they were Muslim guerillas fighting for independence. Are the adventurers who fought for Free Spain against Franco now "socialist terrorists?"

Also, what were the alternatives? You could: let a sovereign nation be invaded by a power that aimed to dominate the world, fund resistance fighters, or go head to head. The first option is appeasement; the last, mutual annihilation.

[VaughanJer]

In some cases the people that we call terrorists today are still fighting for their independence... the media has simply labeled them as Muslim terrorists and unfortunately it has stuck. Also, if you read into the history of the Cold War you will find that both sides needed it to support their economies. Why did Reagan give a speech explaining that the worst thing we could do to Russia was to end the Cold War and take away their greatest enemy?

[LanysNevelesser]

Your facts are correct at different times, but your inference that the USA started the Cold War to support its economy is false. The USA didn't need the Cold War to support its economy: the post-war boom did that just fine. It might have needed it after the oil shock, but by that time the Cold War was 20 years old and impossible to stop.

[arcas2000]

Brzezinski is a discredited, Stangelovian relic of Cold War "realism". The idea that anyone would regard him as an expert on Iran or the Middle East, particularly in light of his own role in the Carter Administration's disastrous policies in the region, is frankly astonishing.

[newsweekrocks]

Politicians make mistakes and I somehow see your point but he is one of the few who see the things as they are not as they with they were. Instead of discrediting him in that way, why not put an argument forward?

[VaughanJer]

Here's an argument for you... why did Zbigniew Brzezinski and the CIA help fund the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan? Why do we always enrich and sometimes out right create our enemies through covert fundings of American tax dollars to terrorists? Then, when these people that we funded in the not very distant past attack us we quickly seem to forgot how they got into positions of power and blame their religious beliefs instead of our own historical actions.

[newsweekrocks]

Sorry about the very late response, I was traveling for a while.

Now to your argument.

He founded the mujahedeen fighters in Afghanistan because not doing so would have meant the dominance of Soviets and a direct threat to Iran and other Middle Eastern countries. I'm sure you are aware that these mujahedeens were the ones who helped US in the fight against Taliban in 2003. The situation was far more complicated than what I'm describing here but 500 characters is all I have!

[VaughanJer]

"He founded the mujahedeen fighters in Afghanistan because not doing so would have meant the dominance of Soviets and a direct threat to Iran and other Middle Eastern countries." -- That's true... but if we were worried about Iran and it's neighbors being threatened, then why did we move into the Middle East right after the Soviets collapsed? We were/are just as much of a threat to them as the Soviets were.

[newsweekrocks]

To your second question, well that's a good question but what does that have to do with Brzezinski?!

Carter had 4 years in office. 3 years of absolute success and one year of terrible miscalculation (iran revolution)

But again, I don't see the point of your argument. I hope you won't get offended but perhaps you need to re-read some parts of history from some none-biased websites to get the real facts. you know, it's easy to accuse people without backing it up with evidence.

[Zeldovich]

I agree with some of that. This man is very much a realist.