Terence McKenna: TechnoCalyps: Part ll - Preparing For The Singularity - 1/4

[into777infinity]

This is blasphemous. They are so excited about their little toys and little technology... "god like" hardly. god doesn't need machines, you'll always fall short. mere men that WANT to play god, i hope you enjoy hell. i doubt your technology will be able to save you from your ultimate fate.

[ak40kevinS]

@into777infinity douche bag.

[into777infinity]

This is exactly what is wrong with the elite weirdos running this planet that thing of humans as garbage. The artificial is what is WRONG with this world, not the other way around. And, we don't have "design" defects, what's wrong with humanity is the fact that we've been consistantly fed poision, vaccines, dumbed down etc... this video literally pisses me of and offends me. How about u take your machine crap and get off our planet all together?? So we can have it BACK. i no longer like t m.

[into777infinity]

Real evolvement and freedom comes with the NATURAL evolution of life on this planet and with love, these freaks do more to slow down and stop true evolution more than anything else. totally missing the point. living forever & a higher capcity to know all things and be all things comes with waking up to your true potential and remembering the being you truly are, not being plugged into machines. these people have it all wrong & are whats wrong with the world. control freaks that want to play god.

[into777infinity]

Yeah, this is just a creepy video, these people r glamorizing being completely TAKEN OVER by technology and becoming robot/humans. sounds alot like the globalistics wet dream of the future and i'm not into it. I dont need to transfer into a cyborg body to live forever or have unlimited experience and experience pleasure, i have a SOUL that isn't this body, never was and will continue ON after this little trip. So you can all chill out w/ your antichrist and nature twisting technology. no thanks.

[HexicNexus]

if we give technology like computers more ability to self modify themselves they could eventually evolve to be just as sentient as us humans, then it wouldn't be a matter of worrying if robots are deciding whether or not to kill off humans because we are "inferior". If they can become sentient than they will have the option to eliminate us if they wish, but there would be some opposed to the idea. I don't think "God" intended us to continue to live as we started out

[HexicNexus]

@HexicNexus i didn't really have enough space to elaborate my opinion in one box, but if certain technologies do become sentient they would have to deal with the consequences of murdering a human much the same way any sentient being has consequences for murdering a sentient being, particularly because the killer BELIEVES their victim is inferior

[Rastinny]

The question will not be have we gone too far but rather have we gone in the right direction...

[jakestep17]

Machines have no organic attachment or oneness with the Earth and Nature, thus as they continue to advance Nature will become more agitated -- the Earth more at risk of being destroyed -- and so eventually Nature will eliminate the threat in order to save the Earth.

In conclusion, certain scientists need to be put in check, the industrial age needs to end, and technology must be reapplied in a way that best suits mankind and our beautiful planet.

[McKennaArchive]

@jakestep17 "Machines have no organic attachment or oneness with the Earth and Nature."

Straight off the bat you are wrong. What materials are machines made from? In the words of Buckminster Fuller, "The opposite of nature is impossible." To consider us and our tools as not a part of nature and the evolution of increasing complexity is to miss the point.

[jakestep17]

@McKennaArchive Machines that consume temporary natural resources, and strip man of his creative nature, have no place in existence! They are proverbial mechanical carcinogens, spawn from a Christianized self abnegating generation.

The machine no longer is merely man's tool, man is a slave to the machine; society's necessity to tend to it supersedes its need to express itself as human spiritual beings. Culture is hence supplanted by industrialism, as human spirit is deadened by consumerism.

[jakestep17]

Anti-Nature IS possible, if we're speaking of something that, by its very existence, is destructive to LIFE. Yes, some technology takes on a positive life of its own, as it's of no threat to the resources which feed its existence. Solar, wind and some water powered machines/technology, are not anti-nature because they work intrinsically with her. Organic life can be anti-nature, as many human beings are. I believe anti-nature humans create(d) anti-nature machines, it's an extension of themselves

[LighterOfDewbies]

@jakestep17 I think you and Mckenna Archive are running on different notions of nature. You are referring more to biological, organic nature whereas McKennaArchive is talking about philosophical nature, things being "as they are", large-scale events happening as the outcome of natural principles (such as evolution, etc)

[McKennaArchive]

@LighterOfDewbies I think you are wrong. I don't claim to speak for McKenna, you are having a dialogue with me, blimp. That said here is a Terence quote from the talk, Culture and Ideology are not your friends...

"Someone once said plants invented animals to carry them around. Well, I think the Earth invented human beings to build machines; and those machines will be the consciousness of the Earth...."

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[McKennaArchive]

@McKennaArchive ...continued

"...Have you not noticed that these machines are made of the Earth? They are made of gold and silver and arsenic and copper and iridium. They are the stuff of the Earth, organised by primate fingers into more complex arrangements than the Earth could achieve through geological folding, glaciation, volcanism, what have you. We do the fine-tuning; but the Earth is beginning to think."

~Terence McKenna

[LighterOfDewbies]

@McKennaArchive I agree, I do believe we are evolving into machines, however I don't think that discounts from the fact that machines are not "natural" in a specific sense.

[LighterOfDewbies]

@jakestep17 I think you and Mckenna Archive are running on different notions of nature. You are referring more to biological, organic nature whereas McKennaArchive is talking about philosophical nature, things being "as they are", large-scale events happening as the outcome of natural principles (such as evolution, etc)

[LighterOfDewbies]

@jakestep17 I think you and Mckenna Archive are running on different notions of nature. You are referring more to biological, organic nature whereas McKennaArchive is talking about philosophical nature, things being "as they are", large-scale events happening as the outcome of natural principles (such as evolution, etc)

[McKennaArchive]

@jakestep17 You have a seriously fluffy view of nature. Most nature is destructive to other life, have you ever heard of Darwin? Have you ever noticed how "in nature" nature thrives by consuming other animals, vegetables or minerals? Comets have been known to have wiped out thousands of life forms on this planet...are they anti-nature?

You seem to be using the word nature as a term for how you think things should be.

[LighterOfDewbies]

@McKennaArchive Philosophically you are correct, but all-in-all you understand this point. Machines are not as "natural" or on the same level of Harmony with the Earth than are plants or animals.

[McKennaArchive]

@LighterOfDewbies I disagree. Machines are as natural as the imaginations that dream them into existence. To say they are unnatural is the same as saying human consciousness and evolution is unnatural. Surely for sentient beings the most natural thing is to create the tools that help them realize their dreams and journey into space. What would it be to not act on our natural instincts?

[McKennaArchive]

@LighterOfDewbies I disagree. Machines are as natural as the imaginations that dream them into existence. To say they are unnatural is the same as saying human consciousness and evolution is unnatural. Surely for sentient beings the most natural thing is to create the tools that help them realize their dreams and journey into space. What would it be to not act on our natural instincts?

[McKennaArchive]

@LighterOfDewbies I disagree. Machines are as natural as the imaginations that dream them into existence. To say they are unnatural is the same as saying human consciousness and evolution is unnatural. Surely for sentient beings the most natural thing is to create the tools that help them realize their dreams and journey into space. What would it be to not act on our natural instincts?

[LighterOfDewbies]

@McKennaArchive Depends on what notion of "nature" you are referring to. I believe you are invoking the "as it is" notion of nature, for which there is no counterweight as you mentioned earlier. But I (and Jakestep17) are talking more about the context of physical, organic nature. Machines are made of hard minerals found in the ground and are not as compatible with the surface that composes most of the biosphere. It is this idea of nature that machines do not fit into.

[LighterOfDewbies]

@McKennaArchive Depends on what notion of "nature" you are referring to. I believe you are invoking the "as it is" notion of nature, for which there is no counterweight as you mentioned earlier. But I (and Jakestep17) are talking more about the context of physical, organic nature. Machines are made of hard minerals found in the ground and are not as compatible with the surface that composes most of the biosphere. It is this idea of nature that machines do not fit into.

[McKennaArchive]

@LighterOfDewbies ...In your view of nature that ticks along until the sun goes supernova. My view is that nature has created man for a reason and an expression of the fact the Earth knows it is finite and has a desire to seed space, we are natures latest experiment but by no means the last, if we fail a balance will be reset and one of the many other experiments will will evolve to take our place. Oxygen was a poison to ancient bacterial life until they developed enzymes to protect their DNA.

[LighterOfDewbies]

@McKennaArchive I see, nature is something that goes far beyond Earth. And you're right, think, there are many harmful carcinogens in the air now, and maybe those that live on will be those that can adapt to where carcinogens don't affect them.

[Imperialself]

@jakestep17 nature takes 1000sof years to evolve it well take us seconds after this event in fact maybe we could restore long extinct species tarea forming there are no limits to intelligents and nature is life this will just extend nature into machines in sort expanding nature across the universe

[elchippe]

@jakestep17 you can made organic machines, so they are not "attached" to earh?

[jakestep17]

@elchippe you mock my words by quoting 'attached', but Mother Nature has a life of its own and is more than capable of eliminating threats to her soil.

That said, my view on technology has evolved some since the comment you replied to, and I do think there's hope for earth sustaining technology that's powered by sustainable energy sources like the sun. There could be a connection, opposite to the disconnection that most today's machines - destroyers of the earth and man's spirit - have.

[celshader]

only 900 views. Not many people are prepared for the singilarity.

[greycloud24]

to a degree, we are already transhuman. how many people do you know that wear glasses, have had lazer eye surgery, a prosthetic arm? how many people are on medication to extend their life? human lifespans get longer every generation. we have stopped natural selection in many areas, and now our evolution is primarily driven by sexual selection pressures. we are fundamentally changing how nature has always worked. its not a human pattern, its a pattern of the evolution of life.