Muhammad Ali vs Floyd Patterson II Pt 3

[example6978]

funny how people think tyson would beat ali

[muhammadumarJA]

@example6978 i agree with you 100 percent, tyson's movement wasnt good enough to beat ali.

[Nyatta06]

@TruBluNOOB Floyd fired him not just because of that. There were reasons for why Floyd had to let him go.

[fadethetrade]

Where's cus? I don't see him in the corner.

[TruBluN00B]

@fadethetrade Floyd fired him in order to get his fight booked with Sonny Liston.

[lee1990lee]

PATTERSON WAS GREAT

[coolmartcola]

damn..why can't heavyweight nowadays fight like this....

[CadeTatum]

Ali was quite a bit younger than him 2

[MrTClubber]

Floyd Patterson is a legend and most of all was a great champion. He does well against Muhammad Ali. You have to give him credit because he was always 20-25lbs lighter than Ali. He did very well. A well deserved legend of a boxer is Floyd Patterson. He deserves alot more respect. A great man he also made himself a man of peace and charity when he retired. May you rest in peace Floyd a true man with tremendous spirit. You are the best Floyd did very well and always redeemed himself.

[RecentlyPneumatized]

@MrTClubber well said. my fav boxer of all time

[Rainwhisker167]

Ali always said that Patterson was the most skilled fighter he ever faced...but Floyd was too small to do much damage.

[TheMakeover2010]

This was Floyd Pattersons last fight and final challenge for the world heavyweight championship in 1972. Jason Louis-Fernand.

[ssimon64]

@blite13 I don't understand your arguement, you keep saying "three years off is not an excuse" But an excuse for what? Ali won the fight so what does he need an excuse for? Are you saying it's not enough for a fighter to win a fight, he has to look good doing it too?

[blite13]

@ssimon64 AS an excuse for him not being as dominating as he was before his layoff. They said he wasn't as good, I say, when he was at his best, he was as good but in a different way. He was stronger and hit harder. He didn't need to make you miss as he could now absorb the blows. His moving at lightning speed wasn't needed anymore.

[fadethetrade]

@blite13 Both ali and tyson were the best ever when ali was cassius clay and tyson was in his 3 yr. stint at the damato camp.No other fighter in history beats those 2 guys in their prime period.Tyson of that period would beat the 70's ali. Clay and classic tyson both had the best defensive first posture in history.This is what put them on top.an advantage no other fighter could handle.A special muscle fiber twitching unlike any other fighters in heavyweight history.

[oneman91]

Ali when he was dancing was a beauty to watch....

But I like Ali better when he actually plants his legs and start throwing combos...those 1-2 combos were essentially invented by Ali...he throws them more accurate and with more deadly force than anyone, not to mention the form and beauty.

[BRICKTHROWA]

i would really not appritiate the announcer calling any fighter a very "gay" man.

[blite13]

Leonard was off for 5 years and came back to beat Hagler...Ali looked really good vs Quarry and Bonoviena in his come back bouts and he looked very fast and was hitting very hard vs Frazier. Joe wasn't going to be denied. Ali could have trained when he was off, stayed sharpe. Muhammad wasn't training hard after Frazier, thus his poor fight vs Norton. Joe and Ali never really recovered though Ali had a big night vs Foreman. Joe 3 was another killer for both.

[bcibibcibcpCB]

@blite13 You can keep training when your not in competition regime. But you will never be able to push as hard as you would training for a fight. Compare it with studying, you can study all year but never with the intensity you have a few days before the tests.

[blite13]

@bcibibcibcpCB obviously Ali was not training, he was a good 20-30 pounds over his fighting weight when he was off. You can stay sharp and keep your body used to the pounding and timing...Leonard did it, Ali didn't, using that as an excuse is lame.

[bcibibcibcpCB]

@blite13 Leonard also lost his sharps when he came back. Everbody knows, if you are not preparing for a fight you get rusty, it doesn't matter of you train. Boxing, certanly a style like Ali's, relies on timing, coordination, pin point accuracy, it's a fine machine that needs constant training against high level fighters in a professional fight. You can't train it enough with sparringpartners. Bye the way, Ali didn't have the cash to support high level sparring partners when he was in exile.

[blite13]

@bcibibcibcpCB Of course Leonard lost some, but he sure looked good coming back vs Hagler. Leonard was getting old by then, Ali was not an old guy when he came back, he was still in his prime years without 3 years of wear and tear. Using that as an excuse is just that, an excuse. As far as sparring partners....fighters would of lined up for free, yes, even the good ones to help him out. Joe Frazier gave Ali a lot of money when he was out of it. How did Ali repay him? Called him an Uncle Tom.

[bcibibcibcpCB]

@blite13 If you don't understand that a 3 year lay off (training or no training) doesn't effect your fight ritme then you don't know shit about boxing man.

[blite13]

@bcibibcibcpCB Of course it does, i already said that if you would read. BUT, how many fights had Ali had by this time? His timing was back for the Quarry fight, the Bonevina fight and the Frazier fight. So using it as an excuse for this fight in '72 is very lame. Ali didn't train for this fight, that is obvious, that was the original point. But you, in your infinite wisdom, tried to tell me that Ali looks poor here because of a 3 year layoff that stopped in early '70. Give it up.

[FlaviusConstantius]

@blite13 Ali had a lot of mediocre performances in his comeback, usually because of his lax training habits. He turned up for bouts with Jimmy Young, Alfredo Evangelista, Leon Spinks and others looking like a beached whale (and consequently fought like one).

[musood6630]

@blite13 mate you obviously have never played a sport.

Boxing primes range from 26-28. Ali was layed off during that period.

If you did any sport you would know 3 years of doing nothing

would take a massive toll, even 4months would. Ali relied

on reflexes and abnormal handspeed that needed professional

training to sustain. As such 3 years of doing nothing destroyed

the former and reduced some of the latter.

[blite13]

@musood6630 Played plenty. Ali could have kept training during his vacation, he didn't. It was his choice to "do nothing". He wasn't suspended from going to the gym. Look at Leonard, he was off almost 5 yrs, came back and beat Hagler. Stop using the layoff as a crutch. He showed lack of training habits when he came back, who's to blame for that?

[KashifCrip]

@blite13 Shut up your sound retarded he didn't go to jail like tyson he got lay off as in he had to fought and do marching to get his boxing right back he couldn't sit in train the government was prepared to keep him from boxing forever don't you understand? Ali wasn't spended he didn't have to wait amout of time before he was able he had to fight for his right to box and talk to the people tp help him.

[ahgoodmorning]

Good point but remember the money then as good but not great - Ali was broke and did college campus talks for cash - Leonard still had the LUXURY to train whenever he wanted - Ali didn't. Great point but I think it is a totally unrelated incidents :)

[blite13]

@ahgoodmorning I know, Joe Frazier gave him money to keep him afloat. Your theory is BS, Ali could train in any gym he wanted, any gym would of loved to have him, he was too busy with being a celebrity maybe. It isn't unrelated because you train whether you are fighting or not, that's what fighters do. Those who become disinterested in training, don't last. Ali lived off his Rep and name in most of his 2nd career fights. He wasn't a hard worker as far as putting in the time and work.

[blite13]

@monegarand Ali is not in shape for this fight, he can't even get off a combination. He was still hurting from the 1st Frazier fight, they almost killed each other, neither were the same after that fight.

[Melchekzanikhar]

What a relief, having an English commentator... Objective, understanding, compassionate. (Oh, by the way, I'm neither English, nor American.) Cheers.

[perfuzz]

'...this very gay man...'

[flash3182]

Hey Music4life829! About the Ali-Ingo sparring session. Ingo didn't spar with fighters and try to knock their lights out. He said on TV one time that he needed them to help him get ready and sometimes sparring partners were hard to find. Danny Red Lopez used to get bested by his sparring partners while he was training for championship fights.

[traductoritaliano]

I remain firm in my position. Ali was overrated. Patterson could have lasted perfectly and even win the fight on points. Patterson was badly hurt by Ali. They (the judges and establishment) wanted to get Floyd out of the way. This is normal in boxing and it's an excellent example of politics.

Actually, with the objective of being more provocative, I would dare state that Patterson looks better than Ali.

[Akiryum]

look at 2:35 ali almost rip his head off so what are you talking about?

[pillsburydoughboy47]

alright just kidding; Patternson knew what he was in for.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

shoulda not done that to patterson Ali.

if you will excuse me, I will be in the next room playing Fight Night.

I'm gonna unleash Joe Louis on Muhamad Ali.

[Kirok]

After seeing Patterson in these rounds, staying upright only through sheer balls, I feel like saying: "Rocky WHO?"

[321eusebiostpc]

so unlike the floyd that we know today

[NeonLeon78]

What do you mean?

[007rocksalotmann]

Patterson had lots of heart

[goodalla1]

yeah i respect him for that. thats where so much of the fight is anyways

[onlyjoetee]

Ali was all about speed,if you cant match speed with him,shit forget it,you might as well have stayed home,and 99% of fighters couldn't ;match head, hand, foot or mouth speed with him...That why he is the greatest EVER

[narudduran]

no way is he the greatest ever. one word that defines him is hype

[onlyjoetee]

The rhythm,the timing,the prancing,the dancing,the sliding,the gliding,hitting and not being hit,The beauty,the poetry,the class,the science,the skill,the wit,the intelligence,the grace,The SPEED!!He who could stand before you hands down and still not be hit,yet hit you at will..Bear witness that Muhammed Ali is THE greatest boxer God ever made,NO DOUBT!!!

[narudduran]

no way, he got hit plenty in this fight against a 37 yr old cruiserw8 and you think som1 lyk tyson holmes or holyfield couldnt'v got 2 him. he missed shitloads of shots in all of his fights belive me i've seen over 40 of them in full (not highlights). he had his two most impressive performances in the 60's against terrell and williams both of whom were hesitant and slow, perfect for alis clowning.

and as 4 havin grace, i c him fallin all over the place

whitaker, pep, robinson, rjj thats grace

[onlyjoetee]

There is No fighter that ranks with Ali.NONE.Rewrote the book,defied the laws of boxing.Who ever shuffled,roped a dope or predicted rounds repeatedly,knocked people out going backwards,hands down,head back?officially declared THE fastest boxer EVER all weight classes,2/3 of the human race watched everytime he fought.The money and global interest in boxing today is directly due to him,He has no equal AT ALL..NONE.Basically there is Ali then everyone else!!

[narudduran]

dude it aint like that. roy jones was quicker than mohammad.

who gives a fuk about audience and fame of ali, it has nothin to do with his boxin skills, lets keep it about that.

the man was great but no way is he the

gr8est he just was around in a certain era where this stuff hadnt been done with a heavyw8, all the moves he pulls had been pulled b4 by srr and pep just not at this w8.

he had problems here with floyd who was essentially a prototyp tyson, r u tellin me u cudnt c tyson ko'in him

[musood6630]

@narudduran

ur a fool. jones wasnt that much quicker than ali. jones was also fighting at a lighter weight, he wasnt anything special in heavyweight.

ali, has been stastically proven to be

one of the most accurate fighters in the game. Besides his lateral movement and dancing are viewed as 'upgrades' to the old styles of SRR and Pep. Floyd and Tyson also had a lot of differences in their styles, despite the same peek-a-boo method. Besides Tyson couldnt beat Doulgas when he was in prime LOL

[narudduran]

fuk off u prick, ur a fool.

any1 who knos shit about the sport knos that this man is exager8d. he hyped himself and morons bought into it.

i'd never say he wasnt gr8 but to say that heez the gr8st, that this is as good as it gets, i'd never say that either.

make ur own mind up and stop lettin so called boxin experts tell u whos the best.

ppl r scared to say tyson or lewis was the best coz wankas com down on them like a pile of briks, well fuk that, i've woched the fyts and i c sum'n difrent

[narudduran]

as for the douglas comment, we all kno that he wasnt in condition for that fyt, nor did he take douglas seriously.

funny, i seem to remember a prime ali askin dundee to cut his gloves off against liston, oh and didnt henry cooper hav him out before angelo CHEATED and cut clays glove?

tell me i'm a fool u cunt

ur just a fuckin drone, a sheep, to scared to hav an opinion that the mass' disagree with, kinda ironic seein as ur man made a point of doin the opposite (supposedly).

boring

[onlyjoetee]

@narudduran Muhammed Ali was a much much more sophisticated fighter than Roy Jones,and was NEVER knocked out,even at 38 & 40 with Parkinson Holmes and Berbick STILL couldnt drop him.Roy Jones was knocked the fuck out!What problems with Floyd?The hard hitting monster Tyson type was made for Ali,If he could beat Hard hitting monsters like.Liston/Foreman/Frazier/Sh­avers why not Tyson?Ali was far far ahead as a boxer,like he said himself,i am an astronaut,the other chams were jet pilots!

[narudduran]

also i seem to remember him askin to quit in manilla while joe wanted to come back out

[MrRainbow31]

@onlyjoetee BRAVO!BRAVO!BRAVO! well said my brother.you have said and summed up my master like nobody could.thank you so much and GOD Bless you my friend.

[onlyjoetee]

"like it was nothing"??thats what YOU think,right decision,Ali was about to start really punishing him.....

[mmcneil777]

Patterson did better in this fight then the first one. He seemed more confident and aggressive. Surprised at how much bigger Ali was from Patterson. It looked like HW against a Light HW. To great fighters and champions.

[SA2137]

I walked in on floyd in the dressing room , he was crying after he lost to ali , the first fight.

[NeonLeon78]

How old are you, ass hole?

[wheelinthesky300]

My scorecard shows Patterson winning 3 rounds, Ali 2, with 2 rounds either even or for Patterson. That means I have Floyd ahead here.

Floyd was liquid, ducking many of Ali's punches, while being fast enough to counterpunch and tag Ali. Patterson looks as fast as any of Ali's opponents. I think Patterson had a chance of winning here.

[panzerson2]

i luv how the announcer says "yes the doctor is much more qualified than i am" LOL

[traductoritaliano]

Floyd was fighting a good fight. They just wanted to get rid of him. Joe Frazier was a lot worse when they let the fight continue. The referee was probably paid to stop the fight.

[narudduran]

i completly agree man i gave him the first 4 rounds. disgraceful stoppage

[music4life829]

Ali was wearing Patterson out and would have killed him with that bad eye and Floyd not being able to see the punches. This was a very humane stoppage.

[Panthera0nca]

The greatest heavyweight of all time coasting and using Patterson as target practice, not really a contest. Patterson could have been a brilliant cruiserweight - bastard division though it is.

[watchmyshoes22]

If you were Ali would u use Patterson for target practice???

[ringworks]

Behave please children.

[NeonLeon78]

Your name is STUPID and we cry out in laugh. stupid stupid stupid...lol. stupid !

[NeonLeon78]

You can watch Floyd knocking out Cooper here on youtube now. You can also watch Cooper almost knocking out Clay. I can't find Ingo with Cooper fight,but you can watch Ingo Knocking out Eddie Machen(who gave a even fight to prime Liston) Floyd also toyed Machen. See,they are all great fighters. Floyd and Ingo in thier prime would have been very dangerous against prime Clay/Ali.

[music4life829]

Excuse me? Ali (then Clay) did box Johannson while the latter was in training, and just after he'd won the Olympic metal. He made Ingo look silly. I don't know what planet you Ali haters live on, but to deny that man's greatness is just ridiculous.

[Nyatta06]

Talking shit here is not gonna make you a man honey.

[ringworks]

That's kinda catchy.

[ringworks]

He still put in a good effort and in some ways redeemed him self for his prior loss.

A brave effort, but he was out gunned by the bigger and better fighter.

I feel in '65 he did have a back injury as his movement clearly was not all there as it was prior and subsequent to that fight.

[publicimage1]

thanks for the upload; Floyd must have really wanted some payback for 1965. Instead, he picked a bad night to show up.  This wasn't Ingo, Floyd.

[NeonLeon78]

You gatta bad mouth Floyd all over the place? A pripm"Clay"in '64 almost got KOd by Henry Cooper. If not for the Angello's foul play he would have been out. Both Floyd and Ingo knocked Cooper out cold with one punch. Did you know that?

[publicimage1]

I know boxing, that's why I'm here. Also, again, you got your facts wrong. Clay fought Cooper in 1963, not 64. He also was up at the count of 3. 3, Neon, 3. Angelo pulled something in the corner between rounds, which gave him a little rest, sure. But Cooper was on his way to losing. Get real. Think I'll put on both Liston-Patterson fights, that should take up about 5 minutes. HA !!

[muskratrowdy]

Ali/Clay only had one fight in '64 and that was against Liston.

[NeonLeon78]

Oh.You are right. It was in 63 and thier rematch was in 66. Cooper gave Ali very hard time in the both fights. Floyd and Ingo toyed with Cooper and knocked his light out with single chosen right hand.

[sugarnadf]

ali toyed with liston twice and patterson was koed twice by liston, styles make fights so your logic is flawed.how 2 fighters do against a common opponent doesnt tell you whos better or who will win

[music4life829]

Oh, he did not! Clay (Ali) boxed Cooper silly, but got nailed with a punch in the first fight. It happened with all of the best fighters....Louis (Walcott fight), Marciano (Walcott, Moore), Dempsey (Firpo)...why is Ali any different? He came back and won, as all great champs do.