Examining the "Evidence" for an Eternal Universe

[theprodigy2186]

You spelled "eternal" wrong in the title.... But this gives me an idea: A video examining the evidence for the "internal" universe.

[JohananRaatz]

@theprodigy2186 Oh wow lol, thanks for pointing that out! Silly typo.

By "internal universe" did you have something like this in mind? watch?v=ELxupWHZnOE

BTW did you get my message regarding the "prank?" Also I was meaning to ask you about some other stuff in private though.

[MegaExelo]

So how did Hawking and Vilinken account for this, did they just assume the wave function goes through self collapse through some unkown mechanism. I am actually very interested in Orch OR but you should make a video on ORCH OR or adleast the evidence for it. But Orch collapses the wave function through gravity by pulling together the two or more blisters in space time. Where would the gravity be coming from in the case pf Phi?

[JohananRaatz]

@MegaExelo Well I plan to do a video on this in the future, but I think when we boil it down, the gravitational mechanism for collapse is really a side-effect of what is going on. Basically from what I can tell "collapse" simply corresponds to an increase of information.

Now remember the connection between information and the holographic principle. Well it turns out that if you crank up the information in space, the space bends -so long as it is holographic in nature -hence gravity.

[MegaExelo]

So a particle can be derived from the universal wavefunction. However what collapses the particle's wavefunction. At this point you just have a web of different sine waves all derived from phi. Either the wavefunction has to self collapse or something has to collapse/reduce it. The laws of physics alone cannot produce a collapsed particle from a wavefunction.

[JohananRaatz]

@MegaExelo "Either the wavefunction has to self collapse or something has to collapse/reduce it."

Exactly, and since there is nothing else to collapse it here (all particles have to exist in it) it must self-collapse. (ie. undergo Orch-OR)

[MegaExelo]

But isn't Phi just a wavefunction, i dont understand how a particle could exist independent of space or time. I am not even sure how energy could exist independent of space and time.

[JohananRaatz]

@MegaExelo Yes but see Phi is treated a bit differently than how we would treat the wave-functions of single particles. You are right about energy and particles needing space-time to exist in. The idea here though is that we take the ordinary way we view the wave-function (of each particle "having" a wave-function) and turn it on it's head. The wave-function becomes primary and the space-time energy and matter become secondary to the wave-function. Same math just turned on it's head.

[MegaExelo]

Great video, however i am suprised you where able to produce three in one weekend.

You seem to be working overtime to dispell the eternal universe myth. I do have one question though, Alexander Vilinken has said that quantum tunneling has created the universe including both spacetime and energy. He does this throught quantum tunneling which requires a particle which consequently requires quantum fluctuations to occur in a place with no space time. This seems to go against the statement you mad

[JohananRaatz]

@MegaExelo "You seem to be working overtime to dispell the eternal universe myth."

Yeah, well it wouldn't bug me so much if Dhorpatan wouldn't distort the science so that it would fit into his view of things. If he said "it might be eternal" that would be different.

But anyway.

"both spacetime and energy."

Well notice the phrase here "both spacetime..." You could think of it as if it does fluctuate from the Phi (which I think anyway), but this doesn't happen in time -time isn't create yet.

[CosmicThinking]

Nice job producing good quality videos in such a short time! I was curious, are eternal universe models related to cyclic models? Every time I think of eternal universes, I think of Steady State.

[JohananRaatz]

@CosmicThinking Some of them are, but not all of them. There's also models like the ekpyrotic model. Every eternal universe model I have seen though has problems with entropy in one way or another. Meaning if the universe is eternal that it would have "started" (there would be no "start" if it's eternal) from infinite usable energy, and our cycle is close to the last one.

[UncannyRicardo]

Ur on a role Raatz, keep it going!!!