How Can We Know the Christian God is the True God? 1of2

[MyContext]

All of the claims are points of conjecture with regard to god. Since, the claims are the equivalent of the blind men all making claims...

The moral argument which must be ignoring the bible completely...since, that the bible is immoral at the core!

[lizazoon]

If there is a god, he/she must be some kind of amuzed, incompetent sadist.

[r3ality357]

@lizazoon it's not a matter of trust, it's a matter of proof. whether you trust me or not is irrelevant.  all i'm asking is to prove to me that you are who you say you are.

[lizazoon]

All of them are false.

[r3ality357]

@lizazoon nobody really knows. the most anyone can say is "i don't know." one thing is certain though: the death sentence is on everybody, and when we die we will know for sure who's right.

IF there is nothing beyond death, and we just 'die', then so be it, no biggie. however, IF there is something beyond death......well, lets just say that people better hope that their views are the right one and not the christians.

[lizazoon]

@r3ality357 : If,if, if, if my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle. You base your belief on reason, evidence, logic, common sense.

[r3ality357]

@lizazoon all that is subjective, i don't care how sound the facts are. you prove to me that you are who you say you are... you know how far we will go with that? not very far, trust me.

[rincewind3336]

@r3ality357

IF there is nothing beyond death, then no biggie?! That would mean that we are all alone, no god to protect us. Being a person of religion in such a world, trying to make other people believe in fairytales, is killing the human mind. These things matter. The survival of our species depends upon our grasp of reality and our ability to react and survive in that reality.

[r3ality357]

@rincewind3336 i think you're missing the whole point of my post. IF there is nothing beyond death then NOTHING matters. IF there IS something beyond death then EVERYTHING matters. there would be no meaning to life if there's nothing beyond death and vice versa.

[rincewind3336]

@r3ality357 If there is no life after death (which for me makes sense), then there is no absolute meaning to life. However, if that is the case, everything we do here, now, influences our future (on which we depend; we need a future otherwise we are dead). Your actions may have horrific consequences (or not). But put an afterlife in there and all you have to do is follow the rules to get in (how to act in this life), this world be damned. It doesn't matter what you do, you get to live again.

[r3ality357]

@rincewind3336 if there is no life after death, your future, my future, the future of everyone on this planet, doesn't matter. however, people who hold to this view contradict it by waking up in the morning and going to work, paying bills, etc.

if there is a life after death then you have to start with the question: what then is true? those who hold to this view are then held to certain accountability because their actions will now dictate their future on what they believe is true.

[rincewind3336]

@r3ality357

Your actions always contribute to your future (and that of others and vice versa), afterlife or not. It's just that if there is no afterlife, your personal future stops at some time. Your actions, however, will still influence others, long after you have deceased. But to say that you do not have (a) reason(s) to live/do things if you do not believe in an afterlife is just silly. ALL humans make up our own reasons. Even if you do not believe in any of the religions or an afterlife.

[r3ality357]

@rincewind3336 i didn't say we don't have reasons to live or do things, nor am i disagreeing with you that our actions do contribute to our future, whether there is an afterlife or not. what i'm saying is: our future won't matter. whether it affects other people or not is irrelevant. either there is meaning to life or there isn't.

[rincewind3336]

@r3ality357

Everyone creates (well, enviroment plays a huge role) his own reasons (meaning), based on that persons worldview (or universeview :P). No one knows for sure if there is an absolute meaning of life (like the afterlife, no one knows if there is one). It's just that some ideas or worldviews are more plausible then others.

[r3ality357]

@rincewind3336 i agree.

[RPFS2008]

Even if the Cosmological and design arguments were without flaws they do not call for a personal God, contrary to the video makers claim.

Intelligent or honest Christians admit as such.

[SlippPeace]

@RPFS2008 so you admit that the argument holds truth, but in such desperation you use such hyper skepticism, that its only circular that you would only apply this kind of reasoning.

1. first assume there is no god,

2. look at arguments for god, relies that one proves the existence of a timeless, space-less, enormously powerful being

3. Reject it because it conflicts with your prior assumption.

4. prove to your self, what you first assumed

this guy shows a perfect example of circular reasoning

[RPFS2008]

@SlippPeace

Are you responding to what I wrote or did you just fancy choosing me to be subject to your little rant?

[SlippPeace]

@RPFS2008 Neither, i am just pointing out to other your circular reasoning.

[RPFS2008]

@SlippPeace

Nope, you're just ranting and making wild assumptions about someone over the internet.

[12monkeys5]

ORIGINS OF GOD(s): 600,000 years ago when man became aware that he was more intelligent than the animals he was hunting. Man created a God to explain things he did not understand. When migration took man to all parts of the Earth, each branch created their own God(s) That's why you have so many different ones to this day! To put it more simply: IMAGINATION CREATED GOD(s)

:)

[SlippPeace]

@12monkeys5 your reasoning?

Modus ponens,

1. if A, then b

2.A

3. Therefore B.

1.if religious plurality, then God Does not exist.

2.Religious plurality.

3.There for god does not exist.

this is a complete Non sequitur, can you at least try to make a convincing argument.

[ricksparks]

The content of this video assumes a "god" must exist. It provide no real proof of such a thing and only provides conjecture regarding whether or not a "god" is real. It is impossible to decide which "god" is the "right" deity if one cannot prove one exists at all.

[gjoerulv]

No, actually they are based on the arguments for God's existence. The cosmological, design and moral arguments give "god" traits or atributes. What worldview fits with these traits is the thing here. Are these arguments flawed these claims fails.

[ricksparks]

gj: To believe in a thing such as "god" without real proof is a massive flaw.

[NZbeauty86]

That wasn't the point of the video. The point is IF God exists then who is He?

[AakeTraak]

What color has the invisble unicorn...

[ricksparks]

That's a waste of time. Prove a "god" exists before deciding who or what "he" is.

[52blades]

For the universe to exist it can only be founded in an uncause cause.

1) Everything that begins to exist must have a cause. (Something cannot come from nothing.)

2) The universe began to exist. If these two affirmations are true it must follow that the universe began to exist therefore it must have a cause that brought it into existence. There cannot be an endless number of caused causes for anything to exist it must at some point be founded in an uncaused initial cause.

[ricksparks]

52: None of that proves a deity was involved. The energy which resulted in the development of our universe could have been generated with absolutely no sentience involved.

[52blades]

It means that the initial cause must be a powerful, intelligent being with a free will to create. It must also transcend matter, space, and, time. At 2:34 of this video Mr. Powell briefly mentions several of the different arguments that affirm the attributes of the initial uncaused cause of the universe I encourage you to investigate them. ~B

[ricksparks]

52: The initial cause MUST be a powerful, intelligent being?

Methinks you do not know the definition of the word "must."

[mikeytheaznking]

Amazing! Nicely Done.

[BarakiU]

God is "all in all" though, also Jesus said he's everywhere, inbetween wood, under a rock ect.

What distinguishes Jesus Christ is that he has different forms of being, like how he said The Father is much greater than I.

great presentations, don't get discouraged and please continue to teach and inform.

thanks.

[Freelance86]

Excellent presentation..