one thing i do believe which is wrong was the government opening this up as a political thing. I don't see why these people shouldn't all find out the truth about all the dead if it's avalable. When I say that I include all groups, nationalists,communists,anarchists, republicans et al. I know on the left side there were some killers and that should not be ignored. I say this as a descendent of a neutral man not a politically affiliated man in the civil war.
It does not matter if you are an anticommunist or a communist; every democratic, republican, and ethical person should unite to kill the facist threat that, thanks to a friendship set up with democratic capitalists and communists, is now dead. Franco was more of a monster than Stalin. He sought to set Spain on a backward track to increased religion, bigotry, and hate.
@NickViche Um yes, Franco stayed neutral in WWII and the left wing popular front did become dominated by the Spanish Communist party. You can find that out on Wiki in 10 seconds lol, YOU dont know much about Spain apparently so stop talking you just make yourself look stupid, liberal bitch. Arriba!
@NickViche Well I am not going to skin you alive, and "hero" is a very relativistic term, but yah had Franco lost in Spain it would be about as pleasant as the Ukraine. Yes he had to kill a bunch of bloodthirsty totalitarian communists and anarchists to put an end to the popular front chaos, and props to him for being a premature cold warrior and having the balls to do what needed to be done, and leaving the country much better than he found it.
@NickViche Dude, have you ever read Orwell? Or Arthur Koestler? Even leftists from other countries say that Stalin hijacked the Popular front and began purges of groups like the POUM, CNT FAI and even other left wing moderates who did not agree with their policy. The USSR (who supported the Republic just like Hitler and Mussolini supported Franco) had MASSIVE influence in Azanas administration, unlike Franco, who retained his authority and didn't become a slave to his foreign supporters.
@NickViche Franco is a hero for Spain because the left wing government had been taken over by the communists, and he was NOWHERE near as bad as Stalin was. If Franco lost Spain would have been brutalized just as as any former Soviet state was and be just as as Belarus or Khazakstan. There is a BIG difference between Franco and Hitler, Franco even stayed neutral in WWII.
If people believe there is no such thing as evil people then move to another country with leaders who have similar behaviors and deeds of the Communist Joseph Stalin, the Fascists Benito Mussolini and Francisco Franco, and the Nazi Adolf Hitler - to will then realize evil still exists on planet Earth.
Look at Spain now.High unemployment rate over 20%,troubles every where.Nationalists are being told they are equal as racist.People always believe lies before they heard the truth.The is an old saying"When lies are told thousand times people will think they are truth."Franco was a great man.He already did the best he could.Spain is the empire.And Franco made it reborn after so many years' falling during 17 18 19 century(from the economy side).
Look at Spain now.High unemployment rate over 20%,troubles ever where.Nationalists are being told they are equal as racist.People always believe lies before they heard the truth.The is an old saying"When lies are told thousand times people will think they are truth."Franco was a great man.He already did the best he could.Spain is the empire.And Franco made it reborn after so many years' falling during 17 18 19 century(from the economy side).
@cocotena A Catholic killer. Fascism is an inhumane style of government and Franco was responsible for the murders of thousands of people. He killed, jailed, and tortured innocent human beings.
@TheAnimeDuke asi se habla camarada, pero bueno ya sabemos todos q asi mienten los rojos como siempre, pero me alegro q aun haya gente como tu q piense como se debe. viva el caudillo
@TheAnimeDuke learn your history! i have been told things that really happened, true stories hand down on my dads side of the history, if franco was such a good man, then how come 200.000 democratic oposers of franco's REGIME mysteriosly all died in 1946, how come so many bombs mysteriosly flew in the sky above gibraltan jews, how come intill their little falling out, he was best buddies with hitler! seriosly, if you are pro freedom, your not pro franco!
@TotallyRadicoolDude All your history is probably a bunch of communist bullshit, the whole thing started because the Spanish government began to kill thousands of Catholics and Muslims and burn religious places. If your government was so great why did so many have to die just because of their religion. If your government was so great why did it turn on itself with political assassinations and government troops turning on each other.
@TheAnimeDuke I was, and still am condemning the outragious monstrosities that can only be described as war crimes commited by the DICTATOR Franco, and i do nto believe i stated my nationality, im actually english, but i have lived in spain for 8 years, i am 6% genetically jewish, (and yes i do openly condemn the hypocritical captalistic genocidal actions of the jews as well as everyone else), my grandfather had a huge involvement in the 2nd world war and.....................
(2nd part).....and the fact of the matter remains, franco might have been sneaky, but he was good friends with hitler, he did test new weapons with hitler, he aided his genocide by bombing gibraltan jews and then commited his own genocide, against those who were simply born in the wrong part of spain or by the wrong parents, the this day the existence of entire villages are denied, they are deserted because everyone they belonged to and all their relatives were hilled, so no one can claim them.
@TotallyRadicoolDude I still condemn the genocide the Spanish communist government ordered on the religious community of Spain, and during the war the government for sending soldiers into villages and killing entire families or wiping out the village because they were Catholic or Muslim or supported the nationalists. They orphaned thousands would have been more if they didn't just kill most of the children. Franco did not start the war, and when it did Franco did not lead it
@TheAnimeDuke Franco had a direct involvement in the begining of the war, he became a dictator in the first place, if he really wanted to do his best for spain, he should have made the country a democracy from day 1, and he did lead it, he gave the orders for most things in the first place, especially the costly things like acts of genocide, and he only ended it by dying! There was no need to kill anyone, this violence would never have occured if spain had been a democracy in the first place!
@TotallyRadicoolDude He was involved but he did not lead them, other Spanish generals were involved Franco was asked if he wanted to join the uprising and of course he didn't set up a democracy they were fighting to return the Monarchy which they did King Juan Carlos I controls Spain to this day they were fighting against tyranny and to restore freedom to the Spanish people why would they make a democracy.
firther more, if some one is a terrorist, the correct response is to put them of a fair trial and lock them away for life, not kill them, and there was certainly no need to kill the children, children are innocent, and its a hell of a lot harder to force specific views on kids than you may think, i may be genetically 6% jew, but i do heavilly critisise them A LOT when they do yet another thing that is politically and morally hypocritical and wrong, so why was it so necessary to kll the kids?
@TotallyRadicoolDude Then why did the Spanish government kill thousands of children because their parents were nationalists they Republic killed hundreds of thousands they are terrorists.
@TheAnimeDuke It was rong 4 any1 2 kill any1, especially kids, maybe the republicans r terrorists and should be locked up, but at the end of the day, franco killed thousends more than the republicans. I have been to school in spain for 6 years and not once was any of this, neither francos side nore anyone else's side was mentioned in any history book, not once, denial and docrination still exists within the spanish democracy and thats why ALL the truths must be faced so that spain can move on.
@TotallyRadicoolDude Why didn't you just shake my virtual hand!!! At the end of the day the Republic had be killing civilians before the uprising and killed hundreds of thousands during the war. Franco probably never came close to the number the Republic killed in cold blood. I have studied in Florance in the Benedictine Collage and in our history books it talks about the horrible atrocities the republic did to its own people though it probably never cared. Franco is a hero.
@TotallyRadicoolDude 2nd part until he saved the civilians in Alcazar from complete extermination by the republic, then Spain made him leader of the government and armed forces. At the same time the Republic was killing some of the Anarchists who would not join either side.
@TotallyRadicoolDude If your government is so great why did it round of men women and children who supported the nationalists and execute them in the thousands. My family supported the monarchists and volunteered to assist Franco in taking back Spain for the Spanish people.
@TheAnimeDuke Franco would never have delivered peaceful democracy, or democracy of any kind, he was a ruthless, violent, genocidal dictator who would do anything for political power no matter how ruthless. My family had nothing to do with the rounding up of anyone, and i would condemn that just as much as i condemn franco, but my family, my grandfather, my great grandfather and my great great grandfather did witness the multiple acts of genocide and other war crimes he commited.................
@TotallyRadicoolDude The Republic would not have either they just would have wiped out the entire religious population and kept up with their tyranny. I'm sure your family ignored the genocide of hundred of thousands of Spanish civilians because they were religious and supported the monarchy so you saw them as animals, and why do you continue with the jewish thing did you think just because your 6% jewish your better then everyone else.
@TheAnimeDuke I continue with the jewish thing, not because i think im better than everyone else, i actually think im just as bad as everyone else, i only mention it to make it clear that i critise everyone who i think is in the wrong and not just certain groups, i critise franco and his genocide and much as i critise the jews, the english, the spanish, the intalians, germans, americans and so on.
@TotallyRadicoolDude I criticize all to so lets criticize without arguing with each other it will go on forever deal.(virtual handshake) I'm an Intalian !!
i have also lived in spain for 8 years and heard stories from both sides, i do not ignore the death of any man, the spanish that died, they too died because of their religion, or what they believe in, or their political views, of because they were born in the wrong place or to the wrong family, and i think all humans are animals because thats exactly what we are, to think we are more than that is big headed and ignorant.
Thank you very much for your words. Here in spain there is more people (young people) who talk very well about Franco. We do not need more socialism in our country. God save Franco and Catholic church. (and Spain of course)
his soldiers had my great grandfather killed you twerp. He wasn't even part of any army. He was beaten for trying to flee to argentina to escape the fighting between groups. He died in prison of tuberculosis in a part flooded cell from his wounds which were never treated while my great grandmother was trying to heal his wounds in visits. I wish you would know how that feels. Especially when my great grandfather did not support any sides! He just wanted to work somewhere in peace for his family!
@HORSE1492 He saved thousands of lives the communists and atheists who took control of the country were exterminating the entire religious population of Spain that's why Spain rose up against them a conglomerate of Catholics and Muslims fought side by side and elected Franco their leader because he was the best suited to rule. he led them to victory he brought peace to Spain.
He was the last Spanish hero. His only error was leaving the power to the faggot little king Juan Carlos, a total wimp. The red communists took control of the government and killed thousands of innocents people, teachers, nuns, priests, burned churches to the ground, they were really savages. Know your history.
@ixtoc999 HGWT5763. 01/07/10/2011 A.D. HE WAS A BONAFIDE CRIMINAL,A SAVAGE MURDERER.HE WAS JUST AS CRUEL AS HITLER,STALIN AND MUSSOLINI ROLLED TOGETHER.I DONT CARE IF HE WAS A DEVOUT CATHOLIC-HIS SINS SHALL BE PAID FOR IN FRONT OF THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.
Franco dejó una España fuerte. Zapatero está dejando una España en ruinas, llena de maricones y lesbianas, sin dinero, invadida de árabes y sin moral. Una desgracia.
God bless Franco and the falange. I once traveled to Valle de los Caídos when I was younger and I hope to do it again one day to pay my respect to this great man.
@lastwhiteman23 Your hero unleashed North African muslim merceneries to rape and murder white spanish women, good to see the usuall hypocrasy of white power fcukwits is as strong as ever. And BTW,whats with a white power freek worshipping a Catholic,won't your bro's in the brotherhood be a bit p!ssed with you for that?
@lastwhiteman23 HGWT5763. 01/07/10/2011 A.D. DAMN FRANCO AND DAMN THE BLOODY FALANGE.THIS MAN DESERVES NO AMOUNT OF RESPECT FROM ANYONE,HE WAS A MONSTER WHO NEARLY DESTROYED HIS OWN COUNTRY-HE IS NOT EVER COMING BACK TO THIS LIFETIME,NEVER!
La dignidad de los hijos de las víctimas es emocionante. Es cierto que se debe volver a considerar esa fase contemporánea, pero como dice uno de los participantes en este reportaje : "no queremos abrir viejas herídas, ni volver a reinterpretár la historia, queremos solo saber la verdad".
Hay gente que es ignorante de como es España , conozco extranjeros que cuando vienen por primera vez , sobre todo de EEUU , se quedan sorprendidos por todo , sobre todo por el aspecto de la gente , ellos pensaban que eramos como los mejicanos.
Tu eres de origen español , asturiano, residente en EEUU , verdad
Because a people think differently politically we are to hate them, tear up thier monuments, its OK to kill them (while we weep for our own leftist dead). Why not destroy symbols of the British Empire? The Roman Empire? Tear down the Great Wall - these are all different ideologies?
The man weeps for his grandfather "He was just a carpenter!" so what? Jesus was a carpenter - he had a little bit of an impact on affairs didn't he? A hardened Nazi or Communist can be a carpenter as can a killer.
Spain was a unique situation - this would become a witch hunt, for sure.. The government guy condemning the opposition for not cursing Franco - so what? There is this presumption nowadays that we must all think a certain way, all be Politically Correct, members of a global community (where White nations are now non-valid).
@olenkaWagner: maybe they werent the same as nazi but they cooperated with them for sure. and they let them bomb their own people in Gernika..which makes them pretty similar to nazis at least..so thats why you simply cant say fascist & republicans were the same and they deserve the same treatment..i agree that both sides surely comitted disgusting crimes not just one of them...like it is in every war..
@ancijasa - but republicans co-operated with Stalin. Soviet Union openly supported them and sent "specialists". Was Stalin any better than Hitler? Why should co-operation with Hitler disqualify morally and co-operation with Stalin should not?
@OlenkaWagner Indeed, anyone with an honest understanding of WWII and that era will know that Stalin was 100 times worse than Hitler, and this is even before we look at very relevant revisionist issues! The average Communist made the hardened "Nazi" look like a schoolboy. There were indeed killings on both sides, but this was during a period of Total War. When we honestly look to the peacetime activities of both regimes, the affect they had, the number of deaths etc. we see who is FAR worse.
unbelievable...all the nazi bastards & all their sympatisants should be all killed a long ago..i can't believe they still allow them openly to show off their sick ideology in a such way and also why they didn't just bomb the place and bulid a monument to republican victims...in any civilised country this would happen immediately...i feel sorry for all normal antifascist people in Spain for having to live in a such country...i hope the left wing will change something soon...
@ancijasa - "bomb the place" - would that be civilized? Fascism in Spain was not the same as nazism. It didn't involve killing people on racial basis. Franco did kill his political opponents and sometimes those only suspected on opposing him, but that was exactly what republicans also did. The scale of crimes committed by both sides was comparable.
@Ticonio - do you know what are you talking about? There was peace in Spain. Zapatero's policy destroyed a delicate balance. Both side committed crimes.
but it's true what the documentary says about the valley of the fallen, imagine in Germany a sanctuary for hitler!!!!!!! what would it mean for the people who lost everything? instead they would have to make a place for ALL THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIFE, not only the nationalists
@Ticonio - The Valley of the Fallen has already been dedicated to ALL the fallen. You cannot compare Franco and Hitler. Both republicans and nationalists had their good reasons to fight and both committed crimes. It was a civil war. If you think that Franco must not be honored - many prominent republicans must not be honoured either, becase they also committed crimes. But Zapatero presents republicans as "good guys", which was not the case at all.
@Ticonio - I can see you have run out of your arguments and you didn't have anything else to invent. Of course you know well that I'm not fascist. I don't like any totalitarian systems. I do not support summary executions from any side. If you want serious discussion, just tell me in which aspect republicans were better.
the other fact that makes me anger about this discussion is the fact that you don't even have a mention about the ABSOLUTELY UNJUSTIFIED MILITARY COUP against the republican democratically elected government, after the total collapse of pro monarchists governments before, SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT? this discussion is like trying to say that the Jews who killed nazis at the rebellion of the Warsaw ghetto!!!!!!! there's simply no comparison to say the least
@Ticonio - The comparizon with the Jews in ghetto is out of place, because they were killed only because they were Jews, they did not commit any crime, while the republicans did. Republicans did win the elections, however the government was more left than the real results of elections. They started many controversial reforms. They also did not want to stop actions like burning churches (the government officially refused to intervene). Opposition leaders were also murdered.
@Ticonio - As far as vote for women is concerned I found the following: "Woman suffrage was officially adopted in 1931 not without the opposition of Margarita Nelken and Victoria Kent, two female MPs (both members of PSOE), who argued that women in Spain and at that time, were far too immature and ignorant to vote responsibly, thus putting at risk the existence of the Second Republic." So the civil war had nothing to do with "vote for women". It was established earlier.
yeah right, listen it was imposed by the catholic church, very modern by the way in Spain at that time...no, no, it was proposed by Franco!!!!!! do you know who was Francisco Franco? or maybe the FALANGISTS were the inspiration for so many "reforms" in Spain...I don't know who are you and you don't know who am I, but please try to be coherent, don't tell me now that the Falangists and Franco gave peace and prosperity to Spain...I know history very well so try to convince someone else
@Ticonio - you know history, but you are biased. You look only for one side. You think that the fact that the republicans introduced some reforms allows us to ignore their crimes. Or you try to say that their crimes were not organized, which can diminish their significance.
@Ticonio - So may I ask you some questions: 1) What do you think about crimes committed by republicans, were there lighter than the ones committed by Franco? 2) What do you think about anti-Church policy, practically interfering religious freedom? And what about acts of violence against the Church? 3) What would you think would have happened in the republicans had won? Would that be another communist country?
@OlenkaWagner Communism from the East AND the West.. All Europe except perhaps Britain would have been communist (this would likely have happened before 1945 & its technological advances - atomic weapons would also not be an option in Europe for America, no way would that happen even given certain influences I will discuss).
@OlenkaWagner Only Germany would have fought against this knowing how infiltrated Britain is with that tribe of internationalists - banksters and communists both, fingers in every pie.. Perhaps reason would have won out however & an alliance between Germany and the UK would be formed.. Would the USA and its New York cartel have joined the war though? At the last moment perhaps though a Red Europe (& so World control) would have pleased "The Chosen". Just my opinion of course!
@Ticonio - cont. In such a situation certain people rebelled. They succeded, because they had some popular support. Spain was divided. Todays policy favouring republicans and saying that they were right (ignoring the crimes they committed) can only streghten this division.
I see that you're very interested on the Spanish Civil War, well the thing is that it was not my intention to start a debate, but, ok I don't oppose to that, so let me tell you that until now is when some things like the massacres committed by Franco during more than 30 years are coming to light...why are you talking about Zapatero? do you think that the crimes committed by franco are less than those of Hitler? what's the difference between killing in murder camps and the killings in Spain?
You can say about numbers and Hitler definitely killed more people than Franco (still less than Stalin of Mao Zedong, but these two ruled for a longer time). I just cannot see the difference between murdering republicans (a shown in the movie) and murdering nationalists or just priests or nuns (as republicans did). I cannot understand that Franco's symbols are removed, while at the same time Santiago Carrillo, a man responsible for the massacre of Paraquellos de Jarama receives his HC doctorate.
why are you trying to avoid my central question? the Spanish civil war lasted only 3 years, and the republicans were losing ground since the very beginning, until their total defeat (and massacre by the way) at the river Ebro, the republicans never had an army but different groups of volunteers with NO STRONG CENTRAL COMMAND, LIKE THE NATIONALISTS!!!! these are the facts, there is no comparison between the unorganized republicans and the nationalists, who had not 3 but 39 years of murder!!!
@Ticonio - the fact that republicans murdered so many people in 3 years says only ageinst them. What would have happened in they had won? I am even afraid of thinking...
I couldn't end my sentence on my last post, I tried to say that you can't say that the jews who rebelled at the Warsaw Ghetto were criminals, after all what happened...you understand? I'm not justifying the republican murders but EXPLAINING that there can no simply be a comparison...
first of all, i am not communist, second, you are not going to insult me, and third i never talked about you personally,,,,,,ok,,,,,,,so, freedom for ideas, and freedom for every country in the world,,,,,and may be you have to go to college and travel a lit a bit more,,,,,,,,,,,,lthats it
i am not a fool, my granparents and my parents lived atrocities in the civil war in spain, specially my grandma,,,so i am talking about myself and my family,,,,,,ok,,,,,,understand .....you are an ignorant.....but FRANCOS CHILD
Typically red pig, who can't argue, and can only insult opponent.
If someone writes crap, Franco was a Hitler friend's, that Franco killed people across Europe and that Franco was fascist, it means that he is a fool with no brain.
@arantzaayastuy4 You are an illiterate commie idiot. You spread lies and piles of shit, like the above comment. Look at what you communists did both throughout the whole of the 20th century, and now. You are a disgrace to every nation, and the sooner the world gets rid of you, the better. I don't understand how you can't feel slightly embarassed by reading your comments, they are so blatantly ignorant not any sane person would produce them. You're obviously been dumb enough to believe propaganda
Thanks Italy, Uk, Ireland, Mexico, Scotland, Egypt, long etc... brigadists who came to defend democracy in Spain. They have to fight communists in their own side and obviously fascists in the other side. I still remember the words of my grandfather that survived in Ebro's battle because an italian brigadist, a cooker who invited him out of his position for a good dinner, when he came back his posisition didn't exist.
@TheTollundWoman - Franco was close to fascism (fascist Falange supported him, but it was not always the other way round), but he was not nazist. Nazism assumes the suppremacy of people on racial base. Franco rejected such ideas. He was definitely anti-democtatic, but he was not nazist.
@OlenkaWagner With all due respect, you don't know much about Franquism or the war. The only reason people think Franco wasn't as bad as the Axis is because changed his tune after seeing the outcome of WWII. He admired Hitler: his ideas, his nationalism, the 'national race', and adopted MUCH of his (fascist AND Nazi) rhetoric.
Hitler, of course, thought he was a dumb inferior monkey and was exasperated with the way he waged war in his own country, needlessly exterminating even his own army.
@happyjellyfish - I've never said I agree with Franco. I've just said he was less evil than the republicans (practically dominated by anarchists and later on by stalinists). Of course I don't like his admiration for Hitler, but what about admiration of many respectful people to Lenin or Stalin? It does not seem to disqualify them. Both communism and nazism were evil.
@OlenkaWagner I never implied you were a francoist either. Please read more carefully.
Communism has many different schools of though. Saying 'communism is evil' means you don't know much about that either. By far the biggest fault of the Second Republic was its complete lack of any authority, so people really did think they could take the laws into their own hands. But by far most of the 'red terror' was sanctioned by the government, while Franco encouraged rape,humiliation,summary executions.
@happyjellyfish - I am not saying you did imply it. I just wanted to make it clear just in case, because something what I noticed in such discussions is usually either unconditional admiration for him or regarding him as almost pure evil. I don't agree with either of these views. Well I might not know about communism as it was meant to be in theory, but I know how communism/socialism worked in practice. You see, I am Polish and I was born in 1962. I know a lot from my own experience.
@OlenkaWagner Poland has a vastly different history. Do not extrapolate the USSR oppression of the Bloc countries with the Spanish experience, it is wrong &useless. The term 'republican's' also does not imply communists, anarchists or even liberals - the conservatives had a large portion of representation in las Cortes. Franco's coup was illegal, and he stayed in power killing peasants, minorities, & political prisoners for no reason. The repercussions of his regime still give us trouble today.
@happyjellyfish - In practice there is little difference if terror is officially sanctioned, encouraged or just allowed due to the lack of reaction from the government. I know there were republicans trying to prevent terror on their side, but there were also some who sanctioned it. On the other hand I don't know about any documents or informal statements when Franco encouraged rape. Both sides encouraged humiliation.
@OlenkaWagner Little difference? I hope you're kidding.
Franco and his generals didn't encourage rape and mass killings? Read up on Quipo de Llano. You don't know enough about this topic to give such absolute statements. Oversimplification will always be a problem and bring about even more conflict and strife. I'm sorry, but study more, don't just watch brief documentaries. There is much you clearly don't grasp.
Until then, bye. I really have no patience or time for this.
@happyjellyfish - You have no patient because I asked you very concrete question: is there any document proving Franco encouraged RAPE. Not summary executions, rape. I was reading quite a lot about the Spanish Civil War, but of course there are things I don't know about.
@OlenkaWagner There are plenty of radio recordings, interviews and tours given to both fascist and no-intervention countries, speeches and televised marches where Franco, and many officers, indeed promote violence of all kinds towards the 'enemies' who could be even just teenagers who happened to be affiliated with a syndicate. What do you mean, I have no patience b/c I didn't answer your 'concrete' question? This info is availiable for free &I mentioned the most famous sick rebel,Quipo de Llano
@OlenkaWagner What I meant is 'do your own research' as I have no time or patience to talk to people who are so set in their opinions with so little evidence, education and information. You misread what I wrote and got offended but that's your issue and not mine.
I have no interest in engaging you in conversation because you have nothing but rhetoric of both sides to add to the conversation. I'm not replying to you anymore, saludos.
@happyjellyfish - How do you know I am set in my opinions? I did not get offended, you did. If I misread anything - please, say what it was. I was asking about encouraging rape (sexual violence), this was suspicious to me. I am not denying he encouraged violence of other kind (republicans also did). Of course, you do not have to talk to me, you can even block me, if you want, but that will not look very nice if you do it just because you disagree with me.
@happyjellyfish - as far as summary executions are concerned - they were performed by both sides and it is hard to imagine any side could not sanction them. Of course, there could be ordered by individual commanding officers, but if the officers were not punished for that it means they were sanctioned.
@happyjellyfish - the rhetorics about "national race" is one thing and actions are another. According to my knowledge there were no racial laws in Franco's Spain. I cannot think about any examples of racially-based discrimination either.
@OlenkaWagner No racial laws? He considered Basques, Catalans &Galicians inferior because they weren't Hispanic and banned their language. On pain of jail and death. These cultures (especially in Catalunya) suffered by far a lot more than people in other parts of the country.
there are many more examples, but as I said, I don't think you know much about the Spanish Civil War or Francoist repression, so I see no point in arguing. Bye.
@happyjellyfish - language is not race. I consider it wrong that he did not allow other languages and/or other cultures, but it is not the same as racial laws. Racial laws differenciate between people of certain descent, no matter the language this person is speaking. BTW, are you by any chance from Catalunya?
Can I just say, in response to that reactionary twat of a Franco "researcher", that Franco did NOT build that monument - Spanish workers did. He was a military general, not a fucking stone-mason. What a nob.
"...reopening old wounds for the Republicans' victims." Uh-huh, as though the only victims were the fascist nationalists. Conveniently, the US established military bases in Spain with Franco - before "Spain made it to the 20th century" as stated in this video. Doesn't seem like promoting freedom and democracy in Spain was the US's priority, does it?
@kzargentina The Republicans were actually Communists.. so, I don't see a difference between the two regimes, both would have led to people being killed for thought crimes..
the falange is just a bunch of spanish rednecks with medieval brains who believ they can revive the "old glory" of spain. they dont evolve so they become extinct.
@orpheuscult75 Yes, "Red Neck" "Hater" "Racist" the old keywords again & again.. So outside pressures & the Internationalist/Nu Marxist state of Europe & the West had NO affect on the decline of the Falange I take it? Economical & political ostrication by the Western World was no issue they just "didn't evolve"?
Had the National Socialists won WWII, were leading Europe, colonising the East - do you think the Falange would have become "extinct"?
It's not just the people Franco killed during the war but all the "disappeared" that he created throughout his entire dictatorship. They lie in secret graves throughout Spain. It's too late for "truth & reconciliation" hearings so that all the old bastards can tell where all the bodies are buried. Instead by accident or through word of mouth, the graves are occasionally unearthed.
@kamranii Ι am sorry, did Fascists forcefully violated you or any of your gay commie relatives? I can understand you are butthurted. You have my utmost sympathies. There... have a cookie and a lubricant gel (in case those evil fascist come back for your bottom).:-)
''for the empire towards God'' was the official slogan. The only ones who take exception to that are athiest marxists.
russianpostman 1 week ago
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Hace apología del fascismo y de un regimen que fue condenado por las Naciones Unidas
pitulasrosas 2 weeks ago
A completely one-sided documentary. Where was any talk of the republican chekas? or of the hundred of Catholic martyrs that the commies killed?
BobbyHuertas70 1 month ago
OMG!!....spain as a country has suffered alot!!!...i feel bad for spanish people.And that old guy broke my heart :(.....
MiddleEasternBeauti 1 month ago
The people interviewed in this video are all closet Marxists, Antichrists, and Communists.
LifeLibertyLove 2 months ago
Fuck this documentary it is really just a mockumentary, Francisco Franco is a Hero to Spain and should be a Hero to all men.
LifeLibertyLove 2 months ago
@LifeLibertyLove He is, my friend. He is. In fact, I wish we could to in the USA what he did for Spain in his lifetime. A truely remarkable man.
BobbyHuertas70 1 month ago
@BobbyHuertas70 We can and we will. The Liberty Tree must be refreshed time and time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
LifeLibertyLove 3 weeks ago
Long live leftist Spain, franco was opressive and a mass murderer
cainbeech12 2 months ago
@cainbeech12 Too bad he didn't get your parents.
BobbyHuertas70 1 month ago
one thing i do believe which is wrong was the government opening this up as a political thing. I don't see why these people shouldn't all find out the truth about all the dead if it's avalable. When I say that I include all groups, nationalists,communists,anarchists, republicans et al. I know on the left side there were some killers and that should not be ignored. I say this as a descendent of a neutral man not a politically affiliated man in the civil war.
jebr1983 2 months ago
It does not matter if you are an anticommunist or a communist; every democratic, republican, and ethical person should unite to kill the facist threat that, thanks to a friendship set up with democratic capitalists and communists, is now dead. Franco was more of a monster than Stalin. He sought to set Spain on a backward track to increased religion, bigotry, and hate.
llewisddiaz 3 months ago
franco helped us against communist !!thank you
TheCalamitoso 4 months ago
@TheCalamitoso He didn't help you to learn how to speak or write in English, though. What a pity!
yosoyjosue 3 months ago
@NickViche Um yes, Franco stayed neutral in WWII and the left wing popular front did become dominated by the Spanish Communist party. You can find that out on Wiki in 10 seconds lol, YOU dont know much about Spain apparently so stop talking you just make yourself look stupid, liberal bitch. Arriba!
norgulon 4 months ago
@NickViche Well I am not going to skin you alive, and "hero" is a very relativistic term, but yah had Franco lost in Spain it would be about as pleasant as the Ukraine. Yes he had to kill a bunch of bloodthirsty totalitarian communists and anarchists to put an end to the popular front chaos, and props to him for being a premature cold warrior and having the balls to do what needed to be done, and leaving the country much better than he found it.
TorgrulBeg 4 months ago
@NickViche Dude, have you ever read Orwell? Or Arthur Koestler? Even leftists from other countries say that Stalin hijacked the Popular front and began purges of groups like the POUM, CNT FAI and even other left wing moderates who did not agree with their policy. The USSR (who supported the Republic just like Hitler and Mussolini supported Franco) had MASSIVE influence in Azanas administration, unlike Franco, who retained his authority and didn't become a slave to his foreign supporters.
TorgrulBeg 4 months ago
@NickViche Franco is a hero for Spain because the left wing government had been taken over by the communists, and he was NOWHERE near as bad as Stalin was. If Franco lost Spain would have been brutalized just as as any former Soviet state was and be just as as Belarus or Khazakstan. There is a BIG difference between Franco and Hitler, Franco even stayed neutral in WWII.
TorgrulBeg 4 months ago
If people believe there is no such thing as evil people then move to another country with leaders who have similar behaviors and deeds of the Communist Joseph Stalin, the Fascists Benito Mussolini and Francisco Franco, and the Nazi Adolf Hitler - to will then realize evil still exists on planet Earth.
airforcemax 5 months ago
Franco Spencer!
BRIYONCE1 6 months ago
Look at Spain now.High unemployment rate over 20%,troubles every where.Nationalists are being told they are equal as racist.People always believe lies before they heard the truth.The is an old saying"When lies are told thousand times people will think they are truth."Franco was a great man.He already did the best he could.Spain is the empire.And Franco made it reborn after so many years' falling during 17 18 19 century(from the economy side).
xdmmp40 6 months ago
Look at Spain now.High unemployment rate over 20%,troubles ever where.Nationalists are being told they are equal as racist.People always believe lies before they heard the truth.The is an old saying"When lies are told thousand times people will think they are truth."Franco was a great man.He already did the best he could.Spain is the empire.And Franco made it reborn after so many years' falling during 17 18 19 century(from the economy side).
xdmmp40 6 months ago
And they want us to hand the people of Gibraltar over to thier care? Fucking savages,..
krackersdave 7 months ago
This is one sided part of a complicated story
Zappowx 8 months ago
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Franco was catholic and the first warrior in europe against communism.
cocotena 8 months ago
@cocotena A Catholic killer. Fascism is an inhumane style of government and Franco was responsible for the murders of thousands of people. He killed, jailed, and tortured innocent human beings.
yosoyjosue 3 months ago
This guy whose talking is an evil son of a bitch, Franco should be honored, i would like to punch this reporter in the jaw.
TheAnimeDuke 8 months ago 2
@TheAnimeDuke asi se habla camarada, pero bueno ya sabemos todos q asi mienten los rojos como siempre, pero me alegro q aun haya gente como tu q piense como se debe. viva el caudillo
tjjuaco92 8 months ago
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TheAnimeDuke 8 months ago
@tjjuaco92 Gracias nosotros los italianos necesidad de apoyar a nuestros hermanos españoles.
TheAnimeDuke 7 months ago
@TheAnimeDuke learn your history! i have been told things that really happened, true stories hand down on my dads side of the history, if franco was such a good man, then how come 200.000 democratic oposers of franco's REGIME mysteriosly all died in 1946, how come so many bombs mysteriosly flew in the sky above gibraltan jews, how come intill their little falling out, he was best buddies with hitler! seriosly, if you are pro freedom, your not pro franco!
TotallyRadicoolDude 7 months ago
@TotallyRadicoolDude All your history is probably a bunch of communist bullshit, the whole thing started because the Spanish government began to kill thousands of Catholics and Muslims and burn religious places. If your government was so great why did so many have to die just because of their religion. If your government was so great why did it turn on itself with political assassinations and government troops turning on each other.
TheAnimeDuke 7 months ago
@TheAnimeDuke I was, and still am condemning the outragious monstrosities that can only be described as war crimes commited by the DICTATOR Franco, and i do nto believe i stated my nationality, im actually english, but i have lived in spain for 8 years, i am 6% genetically jewish, (and yes i do openly condemn the hypocritical captalistic genocidal actions of the jews as well as everyone else), my grandfather had a huge involvement in the 2nd world war and.....................
TotallyRadicoolDude 7 months ago
(2nd part).....and the fact of the matter remains, franco might have been sneaky, but he was good friends with hitler, he did test new weapons with hitler, he aided his genocide by bombing gibraltan jews and then commited his own genocide, against those who were simply born in the wrong part of spain or by the wrong parents, the this day the existence of entire villages are denied, they are deserted because everyone they belonged to and all their relatives were hilled, so no one can claim them.
TotallyRadicoolDude 7 months ago
@TotallyRadicoolDude I still condemn the genocide the Spanish communist government ordered on the religious community of Spain, and during the war the government for sending soldiers into villages and killing entire families or wiping out the village because they were Catholic or Muslim or supported the nationalists. They orphaned thousands would have been more if they didn't just kill most of the children. Franco did not start the war, and when it did Franco did not lead it
TheAnimeDuke 7 months ago
@TheAnimeDuke Franco had a direct involvement in the begining of the war, he became a dictator in the first place, if he really wanted to do his best for spain, he should have made the country a democracy from day 1, and he did lead it, he gave the orders for most things in the first place, especially the costly things like acts of genocide, and he only ended it by dying! There was no need to kill anyone, this violence would never have occured if spain had been a democracy in the first place!
TotallyRadicoolDude 7 months ago
@TotallyRadicoolDude He was involved but he did not lead them, other Spanish generals were involved Franco was asked if he wanted to join the uprising and of course he didn't set up a democracy they were fighting to return the Monarchy which they did King Juan Carlos I controls Spain to this day they were fighting against tyranny and to restore freedom to the Spanish people why would they make a democracy.
TheAnimeDuke 7 months ago
firther more, if some one is a terrorist, the correct response is to put them of a fair trial and lock them away for life, not kill them, and there was certainly no need to kill the children, children are innocent, and its a hell of a lot harder to force specific views on kids than you may think, i may be genetically 6% jew, but i do heavilly critisise them A LOT when they do yet another thing that is politically and morally hypocritical and wrong, so why was it so necessary to kll the kids?
TotallyRadicoolDude 7 months ago
@TotallyRadicoolDude Then why did the Spanish government kill thousands of children because their parents were nationalists they Republic killed hundreds of thousands they are terrorists.
TheAnimeDuke 7 months ago
@TheAnimeDuke It was rong 4 any1 2 kill any1, especially kids, maybe the republicans r terrorists and should be locked up, but at the end of the day, franco killed thousends more than the republicans. I have been to school in spain for 6 years and not once was any of this, neither francos side nore anyone else's side was mentioned in any history book, not once, denial and docrination still exists within the spanish democracy and thats why ALL the truths must be faced so that spain can move on.
TotallyRadicoolDude 7 months ago
@TotallyRadicoolDude Why didn't you just shake my virtual hand!!! At the end of the day the Republic had be killing civilians before the uprising and killed hundreds of thousands during the war. Franco probably never came close to the number the Republic killed in cold blood. I have studied in Florance in the Benedictine Collage and in our history books it talks about the horrible atrocities the republic did to its own people though it probably never cared. Franco is a hero.
TheAnimeDuke 7 months ago
@TotallyRadicoolDude 2nd part until he saved the civilians in Alcazar from complete extermination by the republic, then Spain made him leader of the government and armed forces. At the same time the Republic was killing some of the Anarchists who would not join either side.
TheAnimeDuke 7 months ago
@TotallyRadicoolDude If your government is so great why did it round of men women and children who supported the nationalists and execute them in the thousands. My family supported the monarchists and volunteered to assist Franco in taking back Spain for the Spanish people.
TheAnimeDuke 7 months ago
@TheAnimeDuke Franco would never have delivered peaceful democracy, or democracy of any kind, he was a ruthless, violent, genocidal dictator who would do anything for political power no matter how ruthless. My family had nothing to do with the rounding up of anyone, and i would condemn that just as much as i condemn franco, but my family, my grandfather, my great grandfather and my great great grandfather did witness the multiple acts of genocide and other war crimes he commited.................
TotallyRadicoolDude 7 months ago
@TotallyRadicoolDude The Republic would not have either they just would have wiped out the entire religious population and kept up with their tyranny. I'm sure your family ignored the genocide of hundred of thousands of Spanish civilians because they were religious and supported the monarchy so you saw them as animals, and why do you continue with the jewish thing did you think just because your 6% jewish your better then everyone else.
TheAnimeDuke 7 months ago
@TheAnimeDuke Part 2 The Republic should be remembered for the genocide of the Spanish people.
TheAnimeDuke 7 months ago
@TheAnimeDuke I continue with the jewish thing, not because i think im better than everyone else, i actually think im just as bad as everyone else, i only mention it to make it clear that i critise everyone who i think is in the wrong and not just certain groups, i critise franco and his genocide and much as i critise the jews, the english, the spanish, the intalians, germans, americans and so on.
TotallyRadicoolDude 7 months ago
@TotallyRadicoolDude I criticize all to so lets criticize without arguing with each other it will go on forever deal.(virtual handshake) I'm an Intalian !!
TheAnimeDuke 7 months ago
i have also lived in spain for 8 years and heard stories from both sides, i do not ignore the death of any man, the spanish that died, they too died because of their religion, or what they believe in, or their political views, of because they were born in the wrong place or to the wrong family, and i think all humans are animals because thats exactly what we are, to think we are more than that is big headed and ignorant.
TotallyRadicoolDude 7 months ago
(part 2)............franco should be remember for EVERYTHING he did instead of just 1 stupid meal, the only good thing he ever did, el menu del dia!
TotallyRadicoolDude 7 months ago
@TheAnimeDuke
Thank you very much for your words. Here in spain there is more people (young people) who talk very well about Franco. We do not need more socialism in our country. God save Franco and Catholic church. (and Spain of course)
cocotena 3 months ago
@cocotena VIva Espana!
BobbyHuertas70 1 month ago
his soldiers had my great grandfather killed you twerp. He wasn't even part of any army. He was beaten for trying to flee to argentina to escape the fighting between groups. He died in prison of tuberculosis in a part flooded cell from his wounds which were never treated while my great grandmother was trying to heal his wounds in visits. I wish you would know how that feels. Especially when my great grandfather did not support any sides! He just wanted to work somewhere in peace for his family!
jebr1983 2 months ago
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Franco a true hero. He showed the world humanity was still worth saving.
TheAnimeDuke 8 months ago 4
@TheAnimeDuke HGWT5763. 01/07/10/2011 A.D. HERO,BULLSHIT-HE WAS A RUTHLESS AND COLD-BLOODED BUTCHER,NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS.
HORSE1492 7 months ago
@HORSE1492 He saved thousands of lives the communists and atheists who took control of the country were exterminating the entire religious population of Spain that's why Spain rose up against them a conglomerate of Catholics and Muslims fought side by side and elected Franco their leader because he was the best suited to rule. he led them to victory he brought peace to Spain.
TheAnimeDuke 7 months ago
@TheAnimeDuke He was a murderer. And you are an idiot.
yosoyjosue 3 months ago
@TheAnimeDuke
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AtheismCentral 1 month ago
@TheAnimeDuke He killed his own people.......
CommunistPartyNation 1 month ago
He was the last Spanish hero. His only error was leaving the power to the faggot little king Juan Carlos, a total wimp. The red communists took control of the government and killed thousands of innocents people, teachers, nuns, priests, burned churches to the ground, they were really savages. Know your history.
ixtoc999 10 months ago
@ixtoc999 HGWT5763. 01/07/10/2011 A.D. HE WAS A BONAFIDE CRIMINAL,A SAVAGE MURDERER.HE WAS JUST AS CRUEL AS HITLER,STALIN AND MUSSOLINI ROLLED TOGETHER.I DONT CARE IF HE WAS A DEVOUT CATHOLIC-HIS SINS SHALL BE PAID FOR IN FRONT OF THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.
HORSE1492 7 months ago
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At 8:00 appear Glenn Beck!On holiday celebrate an old Idol!
zsylvana 10 months ago
Franco dejó una España fuerte. Zapatero está dejando una España en ruinas, llena de maricones y lesbianas, sin dinero, invadida de árabes y sin moral. Una desgracia.
ixtoc999 10 months ago
lastwhiteman youar crazy are you spanish?
MyLalinea 10 months ago
God bless Franco and the falange. I once traveled to Valle de los Caídos when I was younger and I hope to do it again one day to pay my respect to this great man.
lastwhiteman23 11 months ago
@lastwhiteman23 Your hero unleashed North African muslim merceneries to rape and murder white spanish women, good to see the usuall hypocrasy of white power fcukwits is as strong as ever. And BTW,whats with a white power freek worshipping a Catholic,won't your bro's in the brotherhood be a bit p!ssed with you for that?
2manynegativewaves 11 months ago
@lastwhiteman23 HGWT5763. 01/07/10/2011 A.D. DAMN FRANCO AND DAMN THE BLOODY FALANGE.THIS MAN DESERVES NO AMOUNT OF RESPECT FROM ANYONE,HE WAS A MONSTER WHO NEARLY DESTROYED HIS OWN COUNTRY-HE IS NOT EVER COMING BACK TO THIS LIFETIME,NEVER!
HORSE1492 7 months ago
the falaaaaaaange LOL
MsChilEE 11 months ago
1:26 translation "Stop being a pussyyyy"
fuckcomments 1 year ago
8:00 - Glenn Beck!
bapyou 1 year ago
@bapyou Yepp with no doubt! At 8:00 appear Glenn Beck!On holiday celebrate an old Idol!Thank you for your
observation Bruce!
zsylvana 1 year ago
@zsylvana lol
AirelonTrading 1 year ago
@AirelonTrading :) Glenn has of course read "The Phantom" ,were sun-glasses, pretend to be Mr Walker,but nopp,he don´t fool me at 8:00 he is there!
zsylvana 1 year ago
@zsylvana hahahahahahah. It does look like an old ass version of him.
DaHonestAbe 1 year ago
@bapyou @zsylvana
LOL
theyounghistorian77 1 year ago
muerte a la puta falange!!!!
elnache 1 year ago
La dignidad de los hijos de las víctimas es emocionante. Es cierto que se debe volver a considerar esa fase contemporánea, pero como dice uno de los participantes en este reportaje : "no queremos abrir viejas herídas, ni volver a reinterpretár la historia, queremos solo saber la verdad".
angel75020 1 year ago 2
i hope franco burns in hell
moxy1916 1 year ago 2
@moxy1916 that's what he's doing right now
TubaGlider2 1 year ago
@SpartanV15 Yo soy del norte de España.
Hay gente que es ignorante de como es España , conozco extranjeros que cuando vienen por primera vez , sobre todo de EEUU , se quedan sorprendidos por todo , sobre todo por el aspecto de la gente , ellos pensaban que eramos como los mejicanos.
Tu eres de origen español , asturiano, residente en EEUU , verdad
jjgnbf 1 year ago
@SpartanV15 Ese imbecil al que has respondido es un hispano haciendose pasar por anglosajon , algo patetico como se puede ver
jjgnbf 1 year ago
And the bastard murdered countless Basque, who cares for him.
H1ddenB1ade 1 year ago
Not all Africans are dark black; for example, the spanicos are coffee-colored, and the mexicaners are sort of milk chololate colored.
billyshearsnot 1 year ago
Because a people think differently politically we are to hate them, tear up thier monuments, its OK to kill them (while we weep for our own leftist dead). Why not destroy symbols of the British Empire? The Roman Empire? Tear down the Great Wall - these are all different ideologies?
The man weeps for his grandfather "He was just a carpenter!" so what? Jesus was a carpenter - he had a little bit of an impact on affairs didn't he? A hardened Nazi or Communist can be a carpenter as can a killer.
andy7666 1 year ago
Spain was a unique situation - this would become a witch hunt, for sure.. The government guy condemning the opposition for not cursing Franco - so what? There is this presumption nowadays that we must all think a certain way, all be Politically Correct, members of a global community (where White nations are now non-valid).
andy7666 1 year ago
@olenkaWagner: maybe they werent the same as nazi but they cooperated with them for sure. and they let them bomb their own people in Gernika..which makes them pretty similar to nazis at least..so thats why you simply cant say fascist & republicans were the same and they deserve the same treatment..i agree that both sides surely comitted disgusting crimes not just one of them...like it is in every war..
ancijasa 1 year ago
@ancijasa - but republicans co-operated with Stalin. Soviet Union openly supported them and sent "specialists". Was Stalin any better than Hitler? Why should co-operation with Hitler disqualify morally and co-operation with Stalin should not?
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner Indeed, anyone with an honest understanding of WWII and that era will know that Stalin was 100 times worse than Hitler, and this is even before we look at very relevant revisionist issues! The average Communist made the hardened "Nazi" look like a schoolboy. There were indeed killings on both sides, but this was during a period of Total War. When we honestly look to the peacetime activities of both regimes, the affect they had, the number of deaths etc. we see who is FAR worse.
andy7666 1 year ago
unbelievable...all the nazi bastards & all their sympatisants should be all killed a long ago..i can't believe they still allow them openly to show off their sick ideology in a such way and also why they didn't just bomb the place and bulid a monument to republican victims...in any civilised country this would happen immediately...i feel sorry for all normal antifascist people in Spain for having to live in a such country...i hope the left wing will change something soon...
ancijasa 1 year ago
@ancijasa - "bomb the place" - would that be civilized? Fascism in Spain was not the same as nazism. It didn't involve killing people on racial basis. Franco did kill his political opponents and sometimes those only suspected on opposing him, but that was exactly what republicans also did. The scale of crimes committed by both sides was comparable.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
the day Spain recognizes that Franco was a pig...and destroy the valley of the fallen then it will be peace...
Ticonio 1 year ago
@Ticonio - do you know what are you talking about? There was peace in Spain. Zapatero's policy destroyed a delicate balance. Both side committed crimes.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
but it's true what the documentary says about the valley of the fallen, imagine in Germany a sanctuary for hitler!!!!!!! what would it mean for the people who lost everything? instead they would have to make a place for ALL THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIFE, not only the nationalists
Ticonio 1 year ago
@Ticonio - The Valley of the Fallen has already been dedicated to ALL the fallen. You cannot compare Franco and Hitler. Both republicans and nationalists had their good reasons to fight and both committed crimes. It was a civil war. If you think that Franco must not be honored - many prominent republicans must not be honoured either, becase they also committed crimes. But Zapatero presents republicans as "good guys", which was not the case at all.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
you're a fascist
Ticonio 1 year ago
@Ticonio - I can see you have run out of your arguments and you didn't have anything else to invent. Of course you know well that I'm not fascist. I don't like any totalitarian systems. I do not support summary executions from any side. If you want serious discussion, just tell me in which aspect republicans were better.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
the other fact that makes me anger about this discussion is the fact that you don't even have a mention about the ABSOLUTELY UNJUSTIFIED MILITARY COUP against the republican democratically elected government, after the total collapse of pro monarchists governments before, SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT? this discussion is like trying to say that the Jews who killed nazis at the rebellion of the Warsaw ghetto!!!!!!! there's simply no comparison to say the least
Ticonio 1 year ago
@Ticonio - The comparizon with the Jews in ghetto is out of place, because they were killed only because they were Jews, they did not commit any crime, while the republicans did. Republicans did win the elections, however the government was more left than the real results of elections. They started many controversial reforms. They also did not want to stop actions like burning churches (the government officially refused to intervene). Opposition leaders were also murdered.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
it's so easy to speak like that, among some of the reform were the vote for women, and many other civil rights but that doesn't matter we talk later
Ticonio 1 year ago
@Ticonio - As far as vote for women is concerned I found the following: "Woman suffrage was officially adopted in 1931 not without the opposition of Margarita Nelken and Victoria Kent, two female MPs (both members of PSOE), who argued that women in Spain and at that time, were far too immature and ignorant to vote responsibly, thus putting at risk the existence of the Second Republic." So the civil war had nothing to do with "vote for women". It was established earlier.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
yeah right, listen it was imposed by the catholic church, very modern by the way in Spain at that time...no, no, it was proposed by Franco!!!!!! do you know who was Francisco Franco? or maybe the FALANGISTS were the inspiration for so many "reforms" in Spain...I don't know who are you and you don't know who am I, but please try to be coherent, don't tell me now that the Falangists and Franco gave peace and prosperity to Spain...I know history very well so try to convince someone else
Ticonio 1 year ago
@Ticonio - you know history, but you are biased. You look only for one side. You think that the fact that the republicans introduced some reforms allows us to ignore their crimes. Or you try to say that their crimes were not organized, which can diminish their significance.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@Ticonio - So may I ask you some questions: 1) What do you think about crimes committed by republicans, were there lighter than the ones committed by Franco? 2) What do you think about anti-Church policy, practically interfering religious freedom? And what about acts of violence against the Church? 3) What would you think would have happened in the republicans had won? Would that be another communist country?
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner Communism from the East AND the West.. All Europe except perhaps Britain would have been communist (this would likely have happened before 1945 & its technological advances - atomic weapons would also not be an option in Europe for America, no way would that happen even given certain influences I will discuss).
andy7666 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner Only Germany would have fought against this knowing how infiltrated Britain is with that tribe of internationalists - banksters and communists both, fingers in every pie.. Perhaps reason would have won out however & an alliance between Germany and the UK would be formed.. Would the USA and its New York cartel have joined the war though? At the last moment perhaps though a Red Europe (& so World control) would have pleased "The Chosen". Just my opinion of course!
andy7666 1 year ago
@Ticonio - cont. In such a situation certain people rebelled. They succeded, because they had some popular support. Spain was divided. Todays policy favouring republicans and saying that they were right (ignoring the crimes they committed) can only streghten this division.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
I see that you're very interested on the Spanish Civil War, well the thing is that it was not my intention to start a debate, but, ok I don't oppose to that, so let me tell you that until now is when some things like the massacres committed by Franco during more than 30 years are coming to light...why are you talking about Zapatero? do you think that the crimes committed by franco are less than those of Hitler? what's the difference between killing in murder camps and the killings in Spain?
Ticonio 1 year ago
You can say about numbers and Hitler definitely killed more people than Franco (still less than Stalin of Mao Zedong, but these two ruled for a longer time). I just cannot see the difference between murdering republicans (a shown in the movie) and murdering nationalists or just priests or nuns (as republicans did). I cannot understand that Franco's symbols are removed, while at the same time Santiago Carrillo, a man responsible for the massacre of Paraquellos de Jarama receives his HC doctorate.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
why are you trying to avoid my central question? the Spanish civil war lasted only 3 years, and the republicans were losing ground since the very beginning, until their total defeat (and massacre by the way) at the river Ebro, the republicans never had an army but different groups of volunteers with NO STRONG CENTRAL COMMAND, LIKE THE NATIONALISTS!!!! these are the facts, there is no comparison between the unorganized republicans and the nationalists, who had not 3 but 39 years of murder!!!
Ticonio 1 year ago
@Ticonio - the fact that republicans murdered so many people in 3 years says only ageinst them. What would have happened in they had won? I am even afraid of thinking...
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
I couldn't end my sentence on my last post, I tried to say that you can't say that the jews who rebelled at the Warsaw Ghetto were criminals, after all what happened...you understand? I'm not justifying the republican murders but EXPLAINING that there can no simply be a comparison...
Ticonio 1 year ago
first of all, i am not communist, second, you are not going to insult me, and third i never talked about you personally,,,,,,ok,,,,,,,so, freedom for ideas, and freedom for every country in the world,,,,,and may be you have to go to college and travel a lit a bit more,,,,,,,,,,,,lthats it
arantzaayastuy4 1 year ago
EXACTLY TOO LATE FOR RECONCILIATION........
arantzaayastuy4 1 year ago
i am not a fool, my granparents and my parents lived atrocities in the civil war in spain, specially my grandma,,,so i am talking about myself and my family,,,,,,ok,,,,,,understand .....you are an ignorant.....but FRANCOS CHILD
arantzaayastuy4 1 year ago
FRANCO WAS A CLOSE FRIEND OF HITLER AND MUSSONLINI AND KILLED A LOT OF PEOPLE, MASACRES EVERYWHERE,,,,,IN THE ALL EUROPE,,,,,FASCIST SHOULD DIE,,,,,,
arantzaayastuy4 1 year ago
@arantzaayastuy4
Hahaha, what a bullshits:)
CompanyFlow78 1 year ago
@CompanyFlow78 No, he is correct and you are a cunt.
Uptoyourfacelads 1 year ago
@Uptoyourfacelads
Typically red pig, who can't argue, and can only insult opponent.
If someone writes crap, Franco was a Hitler friend's, that Franco killed people across Europe and that Franco was fascist, it means that he is a fool with no brain.
CompanyFlow78 1 year ago
@CompanyFlow78 You are not an opponent you are fascist scum and an ignorant fool at that
Uptoyourfacelads 1 year ago
@Uptoyourfacelads
Really? Why are you call me a fascist? Becouse you are so fool or what?
CompanyFlow78 1 year ago
@arantzaayastuy4 You are an illiterate commie idiot. You spread lies and piles of shit, like the above comment. Look at what you communists did both throughout the whole of the 20th century, and now. You are a disgrace to every nation, and the sooner the world gets rid of you, the better. I don't understand how you can't feel slightly embarassed by reading your comments, they are so blatantly ignorant not any sane person would produce them. You're obviously been dumb enough to believe propaganda
organist12345 1 year ago
Thanks Italy, Uk, Ireland, Mexico, Scotland, Egypt, long etc... brigadists who came to defend democracy in Spain. They have to fight communists in their own side and obviously fascists in the other side. I still remember the words of my grandfather that survived in Ebro's battle because an italian brigadist, a cooker who invited him out of his position for a good dinner, when he came back his posisition didn't exist.
parodian 1 year ago
hola Santana!
josej7oviedo 1 year ago
ARRIBA ESPAÑA y VIVA FRANCO!!!
No?
josej7oviedo 1 year ago
8:01 - That's Glenn Beck!
bapyou 1 year ago
no entiendo como hay jovenes ahí
que atraso i dont understand how there are young people there
thats so sad
americanxdream 1 year ago
is your mother
Goatd9 1 year ago
Franco=Nazi=EVIL
TheTollundWoman 1 year ago
@TheTollundWoman - Franco was close to fascism (fascist Falange supported him, but it was not always the other way round), but he was not nazist. Nazism assumes the suppremacy of people on racial base. Franco rejected such ideas. He was definitely anti-democtatic, but he was not nazist.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner With all due respect, you don't know much about Franquism or the war. The only reason people think Franco wasn't as bad as the Axis is because changed his tune after seeing the outcome of WWII. He admired Hitler: his ideas, his nationalism, the 'national race', and adopted MUCH of his (fascist AND Nazi) rhetoric.
Hitler, of course, thought he was a dumb inferior monkey and was exasperated with the way he waged war in his own country, needlessly exterminating even his own army.
happyjellyfish 1 year ago
@happyjellyfish - I've never said I agree with Franco. I've just said he was less evil than the republicans (practically dominated by anarchists and later on by stalinists). Of course I don't like his admiration for Hitler, but what about admiration of many respectful people to Lenin or Stalin? It does not seem to disqualify them. Both communism and nazism were evil.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner I never implied you were a francoist either. Please read more carefully.
Communism has many different schools of though. Saying 'communism is evil' means you don't know much about that either. By far the biggest fault of the Second Republic was its complete lack of any authority, so people really did think they could take the laws into their own hands. But by far most of the 'red terror' was sanctioned by the government, while Franco encouraged rape,humiliation,summary executions.
happyjellyfish 1 year ago
@happyjellyfish - I am not saying you did imply it. I just wanted to make it clear just in case, because something what I noticed in such discussions is usually either unconditional admiration for him or regarding him as almost pure evil. I don't agree with either of these views. Well I might not know about communism as it was meant to be in theory, but I know how communism/socialism worked in practice. You see, I am Polish and I was born in 1962. I know a lot from my own experience.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner Poland has a vastly different history. Do not extrapolate the USSR oppression of the Bloc countries with the Spanish experience, it is wrong &useless. The term 'republican's' also does not imply communists, anarchists or even liberals - the conservatives had a large portion of representation in las Cortes. Franco's coup was illegal, and he stayed in power killing peasants, minorities, & political prisoners for no reason. The repercussions of his regime still give us trouble today.
happyjellyfish 1 year ago
@happyjellyfish - In practice there is little difference if terror is officially sanctioned, encouraged or just allowed due to the lack of reaction from the government. I know there were republicans trying to prevent terror on their side, but there were also some who sanctioned it. On the other hand I don't know about any documents or informal statements when Franco encouraged rape. Both sides encouraged humiliation.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner Little difference? I hope you're kidding.
Franco and his generals didn't encourage rape and mass killings? Read up on Quipo de Llano. You don't know enough about this topic to give such absolute statements. Oversimplification will always be a problem and bring about even more conflict and strife. I'm sorry, but study more, don't just watch brief documentaries. There is much you clearly don't grasp.
Until then, bye. I really have no patience or time for this.
happyjellyfish 1 year ago
@happyjellyfish - You have no patient because I asked you very concrete question: is there any document proving Franco encouraged RAPE. Not summary executions, rape. I was reading quite a lot about the Spanish Civil War, but of course there are things I don't know about.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner There are plenty of radio recordings, interviews and tours given to both fascist and no-intervention countries, speeches and televised marches where Franco, and many officers, indeed promote violence of all kinds towards the 'enemies' who could be even just teenagers who happened to be affiliated with a syndicate. What do you mean, I have no patience b/c I didn't answer your 'concrete' question? This info is availiable for free &I mentioned the most famous sick rebel,Quipo de Llano
happyjellyfish 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner What I meant is 'do your own research' as I have no time or patience to talk to people who are so set in their opinions with so little evidence, education and information. You misread what I wrote and got offended but that's your issue and not mine.
I have no interest in engaging you in conversation because you have nothing but rhetoric of both sides to add to the conversation. I'm not replying to you anymore, saludos.
happyjellyfish 1 year ago
@happyjellyfish - How do you know I am set in my opinions? I did not get offended, you did. If I misread anything - please, say what it was. I was asking about encouraging rape (sexual violence), this was suspicious to me. I am not denying he encouraged violence of other kind (republicans also did). Of course, you do not have to talk to me, you can even block me, if you want, but that will not look very nice if you do it just because you disagree with me.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@happyjellyfish - as far as summary executions are concerned - they were performed by both sides and it is hard to imagine any side could not sanction them. Of course, there could be ordered by individual commanding officers, but if the officers were not punished for that it means they were sanctioned.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@happyjellyfish - the rhetorics about "national race" is one thing and actions are another. According to my knowledge there were no racial laws in Franco's Spain. I cannot think about any examples of racially-based discrimination either.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner No racial laws? He considered Basques, Catalans &Galicians inferior because they weren't Hispanic and banned their language. On pain of jail and death. These cultures (especially in Catalunya) suffered by far a lot more than people in other parts of the country.
there are many more examples, but as I said, I don't think you know much about the Spanish Civil War or Francoist repression, so I see no point in arguing. Bye.
happyjellyfish 1 year ago
@happyjellyfish - language is not race. I consider it wrong that he did not allow other languages and/or other cultures, but it is not the same as racial laws. Racial laws differenciate between people of certain descent, no matter the language this person is speaking. BTW, are you by any chance from Catalunya?
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
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Franco is the most beautiful of the north african leaders.
billyshearsnot 1 year ago
gustavo de aristeguis comments, Franco was the historical mistake of Spain, what about Zapatero?, he is the biggest mistake.
septicol 1 year ago
Can I just say, in response to that reactionary twat of a Franco "researcher", that Franco did NOT build that monument - Spanish workers did. He was a military general, not a fucking stone-mason. What a nob.
TheSpineyOne 1 year ago
1:21 a commie cries...hahahahahhaha
biosun2 1 year ago
No tears for the communist scum who fought in order to turn Spain and Europe into a gigantic communist mass murdering gulag.
Franco gave his country 40 years of prosperity, peace, law and security.
Communists wherever they ruled turned nations into misery. Never again bolshevism!
biosun2 1 year ago
Viva la Falange!! Gloria a la Division 250!!!
SpaniardSolitary 1 year ago
"...reopening old wounds for the Republicans' victims." Uh-huh, as though the only victims were the fascist nationalists. Conveniently, the US established military bases in Spain with Franco - before "Spain made it to the 20th century" as stated in this video. Doesn't seem like promoting freedom and democracy in Spain was the US's priority, does it?
kzargentina 2 years ago 2
@kzargentina The Republicans were actually Communists.. so, I don't see a difference between the two regimes, both would have led to people being killed for thought crimes..
HannibalFL86 1 year ago
the falange is just a bunch of spanish rednecks with medieval brains who believ they can revive the "old glory" of spain. they dont evolve so they become extinct.
orpheuscult75 2 years ago 2
@orpheuscult75 Yes, "Red Neck" "Hater" "Racist" the old keywords again & again.. So outside pressures & the Internationalist/Nu Marxist state of Europe & the West had NO affect on the decline of the Falange I take it? Economical & political ostrication by the Western World was no issue they just "didn't evolve"?
Had the National Socialists won WWII, were leading Europe, colonising the East - do you think the Falange would have become "extinct"?
PS they seem to have supporters still today.
andy7666 1 year ago
It's not just the people Franco killed during the war but all the "disappeared" that he created throughout his entire dictatorship. They lie in secret graves throughout Spain. It's too late for "truth & reconciliation" hearings so that all the old bastards can tell where all the bodies are buried. Instead by accident or through word of mouth, the graves are occasionally unearthed.
mmedefarge 2 years ago 3
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cara al sol!
long live the ghost of franco
rheinboden 2 years ago
Interesting documentary.
Robertz1986 2 years ago
Don't worry guys. I am going to hell and sure to see F... Frasisco Franco (FFF) there and make sure the hot rod up his arse is properly applied.
kamranii 2 years ago 4
the please give my regards to stalin and che while your there
ssszar 2 years ago 2
@kamranii haven't you burnt all out all your braincells by smoking weed, I am sure you would be able to construct a better argument against France.
biosun2 1 year ago
@biosun2 Who is talking about France you illiterate? I am talking about Franco. The first is a country, the second a fascist piece of crap.
kamranii 1 year ago
@kamranii Οh pardon my mistake, I meant to write "o" not "e".
You are still a commie faggot though:-)
biosun2 1 year ago
@biosun2 "fuckist" idiots like you are unpardonable.
kamranii 1 year ago
@kamranii Ι am sorry, did Fascists forcefully violated you or any of your gay commie relatives? I can understand you are butthurted. You have my utmost sympathies. There... have a cookie and a lubricant gel (in case those evil fascist come back for your bottom).:-)
biosun2 1 year ago