@zbox98... Interesting... I'm unaware of Cage ever saying that in his works or interviews, not that he was stuffy or humorless. However, he said the opposite in many works and interviews, including, for one, MUSICAGE, with Joan Retallack. The point is, if you improvise a blurting, a-tona;, FFF tuba solo over the top of a Mozart minuet, the piece is no longer a Mozart minuet. And nobody would call it Mozart. Whether good or bad, this isn't Cage's Cartridge Music and shouldn't be advertised as it.
@zbox98, it's not the laughing... they improvise things that are not in the score. I laugh when singing Mozart, but I don't improvise an out-of-character trumpet solo in the middle of Non piu andrai. These young musicians would not do this in a Beethoven or Bach piece. Cage deserves that same "seriousness." Laughter is awesome.
@Zedzilla as it happens, my friends and i actually recorded a song called "Tit" which started off as a simple rock rendition of Canon in D before we all started changing to different tempos and keys while the drum beat remained constant. then, suddenly about three minutes in we all suddenly aligned and played the riff to "Back in Black" by Ac/Dc one time before instantly devolving the song back into total nonsense for two minutes. the sound quality is really awful, but it was fun. not brilliant.
20 "sheets having shapes inscribed;" 4 transparent sheets: "with points ... with circles ... with a circle marked like a stop-watch ... with a dotted curving line at one end a circle."
@TEMPmichaelhansen There is a simple solution in this age of information and you may not even have to leave your house. Simply go to Google, put the words: "Cartridge Music" and "Score" in to a boolean search, select "images" at the top, press "search" and wait for the results. When they arrive, they will be in a matrix of pictures and you can page through until you find the one you want. When you do, simply click on it.
Cage was always disappointed when student performers didn't take a piece seriously. He was hurt by performers taking a "joking" attitude to his music, treating the music as some joke. This SEEMS like a rather closed-minded interpretation of a beautiful piece of music. And I've heard many of these pieces live, they ARE beautiful! It's apparent they haven't read or studied Cage. But, then again, Cage said there's no "wrong" readings! So I hope they got something out of it. Cage IS wonderful!
@luckymortal I don't think that laughing at music means you're not taking it seriously. I often laugh while making music. It's part of my and other people's process and in no way does it mean I don't take myself or the music I make seriously.
@luckymortal Cage has also said that it was disappointing when performers took it too seriously as well. It looks like they are just having fun with it, and why not? Art is whatever expression you're wanting it to be at that particular moment.
Has anyone even seen the score other than the performers. I personally have to say that 1) it is left up to interpretation and 2) Cage loved sound. The singing is a bit off to me because Cage was rejected as a singer when he tried to audition for the Glee Club and never sung again. So the singing isn't as "Cagian" as one may think. Kudos for the new voice/sound/interpretation, but it doesn't stick to the original intent of the composer (the first rule of orchestration).
Most of the sounds in this performance, vocals aside, came from inserting or attaching things to Phonograph Cartridges. We used found obects such as Slickys,Bicycle Rims, Metal Rulers and various other small metal objects. At one point a cartridge falls near the speakers and creates sound,it is kept going by actually rubbing the cone of the speaker with the cartridge. You can't see it in the video but we had the score being projected on the wall to our right, but above our performance space.
there is a recording of CARTRIDGE MUSIC on a record I can get. I am serious!!! I can also get the sheet music...Cage died in 1992. I thought the reason for "Cartridge" was to take the needles out of turntables and stick foreign objects into them to produce the sounds, like pins, nail files, nails ect.. jiggle them around and stuff...
My understanding of the piece was that ALL the sounds should be produced by inserting objects in phonograph cartidges. "Moments of inspiration" are not the point - Cage was opposed to this kind of "improvisation" which only serves to draw attention to the individual vocalist.
If there are no recordings, why do I hear an electric guitar at 2:47 (continuing for a few minutes). "Roll Over Beethoven" is played at 7:00. Is it a radio? Is a radio called for in the score?
@zbox98... Interesting... I'm unaware of Cage ever saying that in his works or interviews, not that he was stuffy or humorless. However, he said the opposite in many works and interviews, including, for one, MUSICAGE, with Joan Retallack. The point is, if you improvise a blurting, a-tona;, FFF tuba solo over the top of a Mozart minuet, the piece is no longer a Mozart minuet. And nobody would call it Mozart. Whether good or bad, this isn't Cage's Cartridge Music and shouldn't be advertised as it.
luckymortal 5 months ago
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luckymortal 5 months ago
@zbox98, it's not the laughing... they improvise things that are not in the score. I laugh when singing Mozart, but I don't improvise an out-of-character trumpet solo in the middle of Non piu andrai. These young musicians would not do this in a Beethoven or Bach piece. Cage deserves that same "seriousness." Laughter is awesome.
luckymortal 5 months ago
what a fuck i that????? music direct from the stone age????
MAWthrashMETALbanger 8 months ago
anyone can compose cacophony
orbsonb 1 year ago
@orbsonb link me to your glorious cacophony then, because i love that stuff.
Zedzilla 9 months ago
@Zedzilla as it happens, my friends and i actually recorded a song called "Tit" which started off as a simple rock rendition of Canon in D before we all started changing to different tempos and keys while the drum beat remained constant. then, suddenly about three minutes in we all suddenly aligned and played the riff to "Back in Black" by Ac/Dc one time before instantly devolving the song back into total nonsense for two minutes. the sound quality is really awful, but it was fun. not brilliant.
orbsonb 9 months ago
@orbsonb there are some that are fun and brilliant. but at least you can see how fun it is! that's half the battle
Zedzilla 9 months ago
20 "sheets having shapes inscribed;" 4 transparent sheets: "with points ... with circles ... with a circle marked like a stop-watch ... with a dotted curving line at one end a circle."
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
HAS ANYBODY SEEN THE SCORE???
have you seen the sheet music???
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@TEMPmichaelhansen There is a simple solution in this age of information and you may not even have to leave your house. Simply go to Google, put the words: "Cartridge Music" and "Score" in to a boolean search, select "images" at the top, press "search" and wait for the results. When they arrive, they will be in a matrix of pictures and you can page through until you find the one you want. When you do, simply click on it.
DerangedRanger1 1 year ago
I can only see academics enjoying his music. sorry.
LogInForPaper 2 years ago
What a pity that people are STILL laughing at Cage concerts. I suppose it'll be that way for a long way to come....perhaps forever.
mahler151 2 years ago
@mahler151
Cage actually enjoyed people laughing at his work, at least it elicited a reaction.
AndycKV 1 year ago
Cage was always disappointed when student performers didn't take a piece seriously. He was hurt by performers taking a "joking" attitude to his music, treating the music as some joke. This SEEMS like a rather closed-minded interpretation of a beautiful piece of music. And I've heard many of these pieces live, they ARE beautiful! It's apparent they haven't read or studied Cage. But, then again, Cage said there's no "wrong" readings! So I hope they got something out of it. Cage IS wonderful!
luckymortal 3 years ago 10
you got i right!!!
FernyBass007 2 years ago
@luckymortal I don't think that laughing at music means you're not taking it seriously. I often laugh while making music. It's part of my and other people's process and in no way does it mean I don't take myself or the music I make seriously.
zbox98 5 months ago
@luckymortal Cage has also said that it was disappointing when performers took it too seriously as well. It looks like they are just having fun with it, and why not? Art is whatever expression you're wanting it to be at that particular moment.
comadjinn 5 months ago
Has anyone even seen the score other than the performers. I personally have to say that 1) it is left up to interpretation and 2) Cage loved sound. The singing is a bit off to me because Cage was rejected as a singer when he tried to audition for the Glee Club and never sung again. So the singing isn't as "Cagian" as one may think. Kudos for the new voice/sound/interpretation, but it doesn't stick to the original intent of the composer (the first rule of orchestration).
nemisys2003 3 years ago
good piece to look up if you like this is otomo yoshihide no records
rascalrascal 3 years ago
Most of the sounds in this performance, vocals aside, came from inserting or attaching things to Phonograph Cartridges. We used found obects such as Slickys,Bicycle Rims, Metal Rulers and various other small metal objects. At one point a cartridge falls near the speakers and creates sound,it is kept going by actually rubbing the cone of the speaker with the cartridge. You can't see it in the video but we had the score being projected on the wall to our right, but above our performance space.
VideoBobL 3 years ago
there is a recording of CARTRIDGE MUSIC on a record I can get. I am serious!!! I can also get the sheet music...Cage died in 1992. I thought the reason for "Cartridge" was to take the needles out of turntables and stick foreign objects into them to produce the sounds, like pins, nail files, nails ect.. jiggle them around and stuff...
TEMPmichaelhansen 3 years ago
there were no recordings in this performance. The singing however was a moment of inspiration... which is kinda the point of the score.
VideoBobL 3 years ago
My understanding of the piece was that ALL the sounds should be produced by inserting objects in phonograph cartidges. "Moments of inspiration" are not the point - Cage was opposed to this kind of "improvisation" which only serves to draw attention to the individual vocalist.
If there are no recordings, why do I hear an electric guitar at 2:47 (continuing for a few minutes). "Roll Over Beethoven" is played at 7:00. Is it a radio? Is a radio called for in the score?
BulbousAlsoTapered 3 years ago
Why not?
unholy1988 3 years ago
why is there singing in cartridge music? why are recordings being played?
iblahblah123 4 years ago
The fun would be to determine that for yourself maybe? Or one could just appreciate what is happening now.
DerangedRanger1 3 years ago
permission granted, but not to do whatever you'd like.
iblahblah123 3 years ago