Asatoma Sadgamaya - The Way, The Truth & The Life

[ThePrateekJoshi]

do christian preachers even know hwat the HOLY GHOST means??????........he was on the earth to preach more than just humanity love and forgiveness........mugging up bible isnt enough........religions+capita­lism= disaster

[tsjoukie1]

ITS a shame to educate childeren as sinners

thats why i turned my back to christianaty

[doorbeat]

sin is being leaded by the mind so it's =, namastè, lovely tune also!! ;-))

[MrTwista8819]

I have flagged this video, all who oppose should do the same. This is another deceitful christian way of proselytizing...evil of christianity will never succeed!!!

[Minotauros]

There is NOTHING similar in Christian and Hindu scriptures except the belief in one God. It stops there. This is Christian propaganda.

[toxicsmit]

holy crap. :D its just compared with shitty abhramic sinners.

[blackmeee]

This is bullshit! It is typical for christian people to talk about sin. In vedic filosofi you are not born sinfull!! but its a huge book so if you look carefull and take smal pices from here and there and missunderstand them... sure...

[lazarusmichael1]

Small correction..... WE BORN IN SINFUL WORLD BUT NOT AS SINNERS....... BIBLE S AWESOME N WHOLE WORLD ACCEPTS THE CREATION OF EARTH AS WRITTEN IN BIBLE......... GO THROUGH THE BIBLE KEENLY.... ITS A CHALLENGE......

[gafoorization]

Corruption!!!!!

[ashuexcel]

Who the stupid dard to change the meaning of upanishadic hymn. . .and using ths great hym and christian ideas r a stupidity. . .plz dnt pollute dharma. .u people have a bad habit of prostylisation. . .kp it with u. .

[tsjoukie1]

I WANT TO THREW UP WHEN I HEAR LITLLE CHILDEREN

SAYING I WAS BORN AS A SINNER

ALSO I WAS RAISED WITH THIS INDOCTRINATION

THATS 1 OF THE REASONS ELDERLY TURN THEIR BACKS TO CATHOLIC CHURCH

ME TOO

[quazamodus]

YOU are NOT born in sin.

HE is not not the only son.

HE is taken hostage by them ROMANS.

then used to bind ALL to the cross.

WE are all GOD's children indeed.

This holy hostage situation is SINFULL

I feel bad for the kid in the start, you r NOT born out of sin, you were born out of love. Love from GOD for LIFE..

it's a bit funny that some txt corresponds, but if GOD wants me to know things, some txt need not be read. i KNOW that we should be nice to people.

[friendmail2010]

in origiana sanskrit prayer verse do describe about SIN

[Gracchi]

Abraham was a-Brahmin

[GAKKIN]

This is absurd. Is this some kind of fusion religion?

This is not a similarity but a stark difference. There is no presumption in Hinduism that a person is born as a sinner. A person, due to his deeds (karma) in life or past attains salvation (moksha). If he cannot attain salvation due to good deeds, he will reincarnate as a living being.

No direspect to Christianity but if this is being used as a propaganda for proletysing, it a problem.

[agripinaxilina]

We are the most beautiful beings of Light created by Mother-Father God. Sin was a miss-translation that has been used in ways that do not serve the Light. Jesus said I am the Light but he he also said YOU ARE THE LIGHT and for some reason people seems to ignore that. Asatoma Sadgamaya is a very poweful mantra may it show you that there is no such thing as sin just being in the Light or out of the Light that's all. Love andLight.

[machhone]

brother satan is an 'angel of light' he gives just a enough to seem that something else is the same, dont be decieved...............you made no mention what so ever of the ressurection, not one

[chigz07]

This is a very incorrect translatioN!!

[pradeeptubeu]

Also, this is christian philosophy which is just plain stupid because it even considers innocent little children as sinners! What kind of mindset will children develop when you tell them they are sinners? Have you ever thought rationally about this?

[anil5878]

this is a wrong interpretation of the vedic verses "Asatoma Sadgamaya". PROPAGANDA in other words by Christians which we can do without. In vedic philosophy, individual is not considered as sinful.

[anroyus]

what christians consider as sin, is considered as samaskara in Hinduism. Both are a result of ignorance, and leads to desires. Unresolved desires take the shape of a mind. The mind then divides the individual from the world, and creates duality. Dissolving the duality by transcending the mind, makes you realize your SELF. The SELF is the NOW- THE PRESENT. Present is unchanging absolute. So, just BE.

[kinjalsonu]

I disagree with the beginning...the vedas nvr considered human beings as sinners instead it called all beings child of god hence our true nature is to love, heal and spread happiness...WE ARE NOT SINNERS!

[gauri658]

@kinjalsonu 

[cheetanandm]

@kinjalsonu i agree with this author....its a cruel and tasteless interposition of christianity into the neocolonization of Hinduism...."we are all sinners is Christian" see book of Issiah....

[pradeeptubeu]

This is a wrong interpretation of the vedic verses "Asatoma Sadgamaya". In vedic philosophy, individual is not considered as sinful.

This is just juxtaposition of christinaity on vedic philosophy, thus misrepresenting the actual beautiful meaning of the verses.

Considering self as sinful, or all human beings as sinners is not a wise way to lead life.

[anroyus]

interpretations are a result of mind. they will always be subjective.

[pradeeptubeu]

Might be, but taking sanskrit verses, which have a specific meaning and purport a specific philosophy of being and then putting wrong subtitles in english is not correct :-) Especially taking verses from hindu philosophy where all forms of life are considered to have divine spark and calling them sinners is just plain stupid. Considering self as sinner or others as sinners is just plain stupid.

[Hema1981]

@pradeeptubeu - Whilst I believe that all religions lead to the same Divinity, I totally agree that Vedic philosophy does not say that we are sinners or made in sin. In Hinduism, the spirit or the true Self is pure - it is a spark of Divinity - it is the God within us.

[Agnostic21]

@pradeeptubeu Agreed. Height of Christian evangelical plagiarism!

[sayanchakraborty1]

People take birth not to vanish

People take birth only to die one day

What Jesus might have said was already said 1000 years prior to his birth

So beliave in sanatan and not in any copy cat

[anroyus]

sayan : every religion is talking about the same truth in different languages and verses. No one is copying any one. You are stuck and attached to who said first and so on. These are all pointers; they all point to the truth, but are not the truth.

[sayanchakraborty1]

Roy

You have to look into perspective to understand why did i say that to satakarni.

If he can give me lectures on Bible..and propagate..

Then I did the same to him.

Otherwise I said to him that I dont have enimity to Christians.

[anroyus]

what is the point in arguing endlessly on this ? Does it take you to the truth ?

Detaching the seer ( shakshi) in us from our doer-ego alone will let us experience the truth. That is all. Nothing else is required. Simply contemplate on the seer.

[sayanchakraborty1]

I don't disagree to you.

It is definitely good advice not to keep on arguing.

Because arguments necessarily brings solutions always..it depends on the person's willingless to learn.

so it is true that argument is useless after a certain point.

[SATAKARNI9]

Janma lagayetha sudram karma dedena dhvijham.

The Bible says: "There is no difference, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." Romans 3:22,23.

"Therefore just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned.." Romans 5:12.

[lilosophia]

aviditor! thank you so much for this!!!

[sayanchakraborty1]

This is so awefully unholy people who try to misguide people by trying to distort the meaning of other religion.

But the pain is that such bustards think they are serving Christianity--No they r not.

It is SIN.

All messages are there in Veda--still some bustards got converted and became Zombie--now they want to misguide people and want to make their team big--LOL

Simply son of dirty beaches.

Traitors.

Jesus will be in pain to know such people call them Christians.

[sayanchakraborty1]

Do not compare Christianity with Hinduism.

Do not do such mal practice.

Jesus never tought Christians to misguide people by finding unlinkable links between Veda and Bible.

Hinduism is much much older than Fuckin Christianity.

We have all the messages in Veda--no need to become Christian to understand that--LOL

Really I hope ray of holy Jesus falls on these fuckin bustards and they understand it is wrong to distort the messages of other religion.

wait to be fried deep by jesus

[anroyus]

I think you all missed the core message and have instead chosen to focus on establishing what is the original source of the the message.

This shanti mantra comes from Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 1.3.28, which was commented by Shankaracharya during 8th BCE.

[anroyus]

असतो मा सद्गमय

तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय

मृत्योर् मा अमृतं गमय

ॐ शांति शांति शांति - बृहदारण्यक उपनिषद् 1.3.28.

Transliteration:

Asato Ma Sat Gamaya

Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya

Mrityor Ma Amritam Gamaya

Om Shanti Shanti Shanti.

[anroyus]

Translation:

Lead Us From the Unreal To Real,

Lead Us From Darkness To Light,

Lead Us From Death To Immortality,

Aum (the universal sound of God)

Let There Be Peace Peace Peace. - Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 1.3.28.

[pukarokhan]

yes you are a sinner

[asit1]

There are no SINS

[omnamahshivaya1]

I would say it like this: there'sonly one sin, and that's to think there are sins. :-)

[anroyus]

Do not focus on the semantics. What is called SIN is known as Ignorance in Vedanta. And Ignorance / Sin results in apparent modification of our self. Our real self is Divine ( God ), but due to Ignorance, which arises due to Maya (a..k.a. Power of God, Word of God), one is unaware of their true nature, and thinks this world is real and hence attaches to it. Removal of Ignorance will lead to Liberation.

[SantoshSamuelKuwait]

Read the Holy Bible

# John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. # Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

* Sin is disobedience to the Holy Eternal Living God Almighty. Human beings walk according to their own evil desires, evil thoughts and evil actions in their Life gifted from the Heavenly Father. Lets Learn to be Holy as God is Holy. God bless you.

[simhanaran]

man this guy has some problem.if u cant translate the true meaning of wat it is written there in sanskrit and preaching nonsense,then in my view u r the greatest sinner

[sayanchakraborty1]

Who is this bastard?

The poster of this video is the greatest Siner.

He has stolen Hindu religious song and then on power point presented in his own way.

Lord krishna said to Arjuna that in the batle sin can be cleared by blood of the siner.

He did not say Sin of mankind will be cleared by Blood of Jesus.

No where in Veda, Upanishad it is written that Jesus is god.

STOP such henious acts of distorting facts.

[anroyus]

First of all, you need to understand that Bramhan ( known as Father in Christianity) is all that exists. So, you me and everyone are projected from Bramhan. Our true nature is God, but we are unaware of oue true nature, due to Maya.

[sayanchakraborty1]

U may be unaware--Not me.

Do not compare Hinduism with christianity.Hell and heaven difference.

Some bustards are there who try to benefit their cause by linking two religions.

Such links are linking humen with eliens.

Let me literate u by saying "Hindus know very well who are what" and u know what is common in every religion?

The sinner will never be forgiven--may be u will be fried in hot mustard oil by Jesus for ur conspiracy mentality.

[anroyus]

your arrogance is only reflecting your Ignorance. The concept of Hell and Heaven is frying in hot oil are old incorrect ideas that stem from Garuda Purana. Hell and Heaven are mental states and exists right here in this Earth. Refer to the Vedas and Upanishads and your doubts will be clear.

I am not here to argue, as you sound already distressed from your fanatic tone, and pigeon holed ideas of religion.

We are all one. The duality is what needs to be transcended. May God Bless You.

[sayanchakraborty1]

Its not my arrogance--it's ZERO tolerance to evils.

Yes hell is right here I agree and bustards will be fried mentally by their JESUS for misleading people on his name.

Well I dont mind that you have doubts about my doubts--well I dont have.

I know why r u here--My fanatic tone is fantastic to deal with conspirators.

You can prefer tiger cage over pigeon holes--try with ur own religion.

Dont tell on all's behalf--we r not all one--I am different from you--I dont conspire.

[anroyus]

Your tone suggests it is you who is suffering in hell.

There was a sadhu who would criticize a lady walking by, suggesting she is all evil and wasted. Somehow they both died at the same time, and the Sadhu was taken to Hell and that lady was taken to Heaven,

The sadhu, said, there must be a mistake.

Then he was told, it was him, who kept on thinking of the evil, while she used to pray to God, saying - God I am weak please forgive me..

[anroyus]

The above is just a rhetoric, which exemplifies, we see the world through our own lens and only project our own self.

Realizing God, is an internal phenomenon that happens when the mind and ego is destroyed by destroying the samaskaras. ATMAN is inside all of us. ATMAN is One.

[sayanchakraborty1]

Yes your story is indeed through ur own lense--Through a christian fanatic lense where a SADHU goes to hell

Stories are made--Sometimes ti mislead

Yes while realizing GOD, you have indeed destroyed your mind--But you could not destroy your samaskaras of misleading people

Atman is inside all--but they are not ONE

Atman needs to achieve MOKSHA to dive into the ALLMIGHTY

The MOKSHA--which devils like you will never achieve--You r the GHOST and not an ATMAN

ZOMBIE of conspirator CHURCH

[anroyus]

Firstly, I am not a Christian. You are so biased that you think I am. The example that I gave you was given by Swami Tyagananda of the Ramkrishna Order while explaining Gyana Yoga.

Tomar saathe bangla te o kotha bolte pari.

There is not multiple Atman. There is only one Atman. If you read Vedanta, then you will know. This is the basic fundamental concept. There is only one Soul. What creates the apparent difference is the samaskaras that varies in each individual.

[anroyus]

It is samaskaras that takes rebirth, when they are not destroyed.

It is due to samaskaras that we think, and see through different lenses. God Realization is realizing your own self - ATMAN, by destroying all samaskaras. Unless samaskaras are burned, one cannot be free from cyclical rebirth.

Christian teaching do not believe in Multi-Birth theory, but their teaching is primarily that of Bhakti Yoga, and the projection of God is Non-dual as in Adwaita Vedanta.

[anroyus]

Every should be allowed to follow their own religion, and no one should be forced to follow other's path. Forced Baptism is sad, and sends the wrong message. But, that should not mean, we should generalize and penalize everyone who is christan based on that.

If you go to Belur Math, you will see, that the temple was built so that it looks like a church, mosque and temple - from various angles.

In Vedanta, we stand for unity of all religion.

[sayanchakraborty1]

Yes all Hindus perhaps believe proudly that everyone should be allowed to follow their own religion--because there is enough in everyone's house

Not only forced Baptism--The list is countless and pathetic--Tricks and Misguidance are tiding over Forced conversion

I agree all Christians are not bad--I have to agree because I am not a conspirator--but it was unbelievable when I was there near Belur Math

But it is now a hard truth when I see in front of my eyes.

Fraud is the rule here now

[sayanchakraborty1]

I do not know what they believe in--But I know teachings of VEDA is the teaching of GOD

And GOD never say that my earlier speech was incorrect and the present one is the truth.

I am interested in my religion and not bothered about others because I havent completed my own yet

It is possible their referrence books will be reffering our religious belief--Because Hinduism was long before Christianity.

But this is bad if they say JESUS talked in VEDA--absurd and laughfable version

[SATAKARNI9]

If Atman is God why would have the need to worship?

[sayanchakraborty1]

If you are not really a Christian and not involved in such false propagation like the video posted--Then congratulations to you

But Devils often hide behind different faces.

There is not mention if one soul or multiple soul

It is there that Soul is immortal and through MOKSHA soul unite with the ONE

Rest of the things I agree

[sayanchakraborty1]

Dont misunderstand my tone--Its hell to talk to devils-have to clean the Shit tho

I am not surprised that in your story a Sadhu is who goes to hell,LOL

The story was told by your Western father of Church during Mass conversion?

Another true story--A Father of yours came down to India from America, offered conditional help to needy--condition to convert--made the women to step on her GOD

The same money taken away from India for 350 yrs

Where did the father go when he died?

To heaven?

[SATAKARNI9]

You are losing your temper sayanchakraborty1.

Jesus Christ said, "Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid." in John 14:27.

Don't defend hard! Ask GOD what is the true way for salvation.

I don't think salvation comes by bathing in the Ganges or by rolling around a temple or by offering hair.

[sayanchakraborty1]

NO NO brother I am just adjusting my temper according to audience.

But what happened to you?

You seems to be turning into your true color?

But I knew this in the begining

So I tell you...

If you want to know what happens by bathing in the ganges--ask me

But don't go by prejudice

Just like It is prejudice too if I say--I don't think salvation comes by constructing 100 feet high statue of Jesus Christ--

Or by Putting cross around neck...

[SATAKARNI9]

The Bible doesn't say that you get salvation by wearing a cross or by building any statue.

[sayanchakraborty1]

Thats right!!!!!!!!

You are bang on target

The same way Veda does not say that you get salvation by bathing in Ganges

All are rituals

[SATAKARNI9]

So what do the Vedas say then? I really want to know!

[sayanchakraborty1]

The greatest thing of VEDA that it says is:

You don't need to name the religion.

Or you can say

VEDA never named any religion

VEDA is way of life and it is simply knowledge.

The same way GITA is something that any humanbeing can read if he ever finds any question in his personal life that he is finding difficult to answer.

VEDA tells you not to propagate

because you can see the main reason of war and agony in the world has always been PROPAGATION

[SATAKARNI9]

You are going off the point! My question once again is, "How do you reach God?" I hope you know the Vedas well enough to answer me!

[sayanchakraborty1]

I will tell you

But if you take oath to yourself and promise to your concious that you will only serve mankind

Not through name of religion but through serving only and only to their needs

[SATAKARNI9]

I'm already serving people who are in need. I've already made a covenant with the Living God.

[sayanchakraborty1]

But as I told you:

You are helping those in need but not in the name of GOD

Not in the name of religion

You need to help needy as well as have to respect their faith

You need to help them but not at the cost of their religion(that someof the missioneries are doing in few places)

Not all are doing I mean

If you can do that--then you know that You are not far away from the learnings of VEDA and GITA

[SATAKARNI9]

I help others because God showed His love and mercy to me and I'm in turn compelled to share His love with others. God showed His love for me by offering Himself as a sacrifice by shedding His blood on the cross.

I'm close to the Bible and far from the Gita. I've to be honest I'm afraid and I will be.

[SATAKARNI9]

God may not have physical ears or eyes, but He can see and hear! That is why we have eyes and ears. Because the Bible says that God created us in His own image.

I'm sharing with you so much of the Bible and you are just arguing in circles without quoting any of your Scriptures.

The reason I said you are self-contradictory because you say you have one God and then you got to so many different temples for different gods.

[sayanchakraborty1]

Or by taking the fruit of the vine (usually grape juice, though some churches use wine) and broken bread.

Do they achieve salvation either?

But I still believe u are not wrong person..but you just have to be more lovely and understanding to others and try to give rooms to others and let them follow their own heart.

By that you will make ur JESUS happy too I believe.

[SATAKARNI9]

Why are you making personal comments about JESUS?

No the Bible doesn't say that drinking grape juice or sharing bread together brings you salvation. THIS IS CELEBRATING THE DEATH OF JESUS CHRIST ON THE CROSS FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF ONE'S SIN..

That is why I keep telling you, you have to take a break and do your research properly.

[sayanchakraborty1]

My Brother I am sorry for giving you pain--but I was helpless

This was the only way for me to let you know that for same reasons Hindus also perform rituals for some faith

JESUS never told any one to take wine as ritual and same way VEDA never asked for any ritual.

This was just to tell you--please never doubt other's beliefs.

I don't hate Christians

[SATAKARNI9]

It doesn't hurt me if you say bad things about Jesus Christ! At the end of the day He is God, everyone has to answer Him. I don't have to defend Him, He can defend Himself!

[sayanchakraborty1]

This is the truth you have said

We never need to defend our faith

All faith are great unless they are satanic

You dont need to help others

But what you need atleast is

Nevar try to hit others

I am not telling this to you

This is true for me as well

Lets build a planet that ur GOD and my GOD told us that all GODS are same

Does not matter what way you choose to reach him

[SATAKARNI9]

I did not say I do not need to defend my faith. I said I do not need to defend Jesus Christ. Because He has ears and He can hear, He has eyes and He can see.

There is only one God! And He has revealed Himself in history to all of mankind. There is not one God who made Indians and another one who made the rest of the world.

[sayanchakraborty1]

This sounds different

Whether GOD has ear and eyes or not--That I will tell you when I will tell you how to reach GOD

Anyways not only INDIANS or Australians but the whole mankind was not atleast created by GOD called JESUS who taken birth according to u after thousands of years of Hindu civilization

As far as 1 GOD is concerned--That is true but Im sorry I dont put a name to GOD

[SATAKARNI9]

You are self-contradictory.. phew I'm not surprised.

God has a Name and He revealed Himself by a name. Because He desires to have a relationship with you and with me and everyone.

[sayanchakraborty1]

No

To you I am appearing to be self-contradictory

I am not

GOD does not need any name or any shape or any physical appearance to build relationship with those who will ultimately become part of him

[SATAKARNI9]

To every one that applies a bit of brain your argument and your actions and your thoughts are self-contradictory.

[sayanchakraborty1]

You have only seen my argument--where did u see my Action?

But I dont blame you that u find me contradicting

When we don't understand something--we feel it to be contradicting often

You can ask for clearer explaination if u have doubt

[SATAKARNI9]

I've been asking you the same question. I ASK AGAIN," SO WHAT DO THE VEDAS SAY ABOUT REACHING GOD?"

If you do not know the answer, have the guts just to admit it!

[sayanchakraborty1]

Believe me I really want to tell you what does VEDA say

but I am worried if I will telling this to right mind..

You can understand when we show the way to meet the supreme

Krishna said to Arjuna:

I can not tell you what to do...Unless you come with a free mind--a free mind free from doubts and only with the desire to know..not to doubt..only to SURRENDER

Unless we completely surrender to GOD we can not understand his learnings

r u ready for that--ask ur Conscience

no hurry

[SATAKARNI9]

Why do you want to hide? If you know the truth you should share it. Jesus Christ never hid anything, in fact He went to the poorest of the poor, to the illiterate fishermen. It doesn't take genius to know God/Truth. Because God created all men equal.

Jesus Christ said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well." John 14:6-7.

[sayanchakraborty1]

See I am not GOD or JESUS

Nor am I genius

But as far as sharing knowledge is concerned--beliave me--I can go to a dying person too

But I am only worried if the person is free in mind to hear and believe what GOD is and how to reach him

You will spend ur all money for needy--but will u give ur money to Robbers?

No--because they will use it for destruction

But no one is evil if evilness is separated from him

[SATAKARNI9]

Anyway dear sayanchakraborty1 I hope you get to know the truth.

Jesus Christ said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well." John 14:6-7.

All the best for your future and good night my friend!

[sayanchakraborty1]

I do not know ahat JESUS Christ said

nor am I interested unless I complete the learnings of VEDA completely as I stated earlier

May be for mere interest I will luv to hear what he said to you

But I also do not say he lied to you

But I also say we are not even living with lie

Hope you will come out of confrontation "who the GOD is"

Till then the advice of VEDA I will keep to myself

And when u are ready--I will tell u selflessly..without any expectation or price

[SATAKARNI9]

Come out of your argument that "All is illusion." If someone punches you it hurts, if someone kisses you it feels nice. That is real! It's not an illusion!

[sayanchakraborty1]

I did not say "all is illusion"

a good example---u think I am false and you are true

If I believe u r false and I am true

That is illusion--and see this illusion is taking place everywhere and this is the reason for hate and war and destruction

[SATAKARNI9]

There is no illusion! God made it so clear in the Bible who He is and who we are.

Truth is absolute. Truth is the same throughout the universe. So there is no, "u think I am false and you are true

If I believe u r false and I am true." There is only one Truth.

Jesus Christ said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well." John 14:6-7.

[sayanchakraborty1]

I did not say GOD created illusion

But I said in the fight for religion many are creating illusion

As I told you I am not interested to know what JESUS CHRIST or MOHAMMED told unless I know completely what real GOD told

[SATAKARNI9]

There is only one God who created all mankind.

YOU SEEM LIKE YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW THE VEDAS. IF YOU KNOW THE VEDAS, THEN YOU WILL SEE FOR YOURSELF WHO JESUS CHRIST IS.

That's why I keep saying, go and do your research properly.

[sayanchakraborty1]

I never said there r two GODS who created mankind

All I say is VEDA never talked about someone called JESUS CHRIST or MOHAMMED

U have to be be patient to know if I know about VEDA or not..

But knowing VEDA or not knowing has nothing to do with JESUS--because VEDA neither talked about some one called JESUS ..nor did it mention MOHAMMED

So you see I really do not have any idea who JESUS CHRIST is..

The reason u already know

[SATAKARNI9]

Even if Vedas talked about it or not is not the point. But it is so obvious that you do not know your Vedas and there's no point in discussing with you further. Good bye my friend and all the best in your quest for the truth.

There is only one God and He revealed Himself by being born in flesh, dying on a cross and rising again on the third day from the dead as He promised.

Bye for now..

[sayanchakraborty1]

Exactly that is what I am trying to tell you:

For me what is there in VEDA is true and I can not defy the truth

But I do not blame anyone for not believing in the truth of VEDA

and thats what I requested you--dont fight with people who does not believe in ur truth

As I told you it is not important if u believe I know VEDA or not

As long as I know a considerable part of it.

Good luck

[SATAKARNI9]

Earlier you said, "There is God in everyone." Now you say, "See I am not GOD or JESUS." I told you, you are self-contradictory. You do not know what Truth is. If you did you will have peace in your heart and you will go to sleep in peace tonight.

You do not know the Truth nor do you accept if someone's trying to help you.

Go and do your research properly.

[sayanchakraborty1]

I never said "there is GOD in everyone" But yes whatever is good , What ever is clean , whatever is innoscent ,knowledge is GODLY whoever is conspirator is evil upto u who will u make space for in heart So I am never contradicting--it is ur illusion More edidence that I am not contradicting is: I told u long back that may be my truth is not truth 2 u Now see you have written--- "You do not know the Truth " Told u my truth is never truth 2 u no contradiction

[sayanchakraborty1]

Religions r always good--The people who follow them are good or bad.

Every one agrees that the core ideas of all religion r same--

but people who try to mislead people by saying that their religious leader spoke in others religious books, by distorting the meaning and presenting in opportunistic manner--that's not called transcending duality--It's only called Degeneration of character and transformation to devil.

I reject wishes for blessings from unholy minds- because they never pay off .

[anroyus]

Sayan :

Religion is internal. It is between you and your ATMAN. By giving importance on who is interpreting what is not doing any good to you. If someone looks at a man and calls it a woman would it make the man a woman ? So, why bother.

Swamiji said, Good and Bad are both shackles and both needs to be transcended.

You should put yourself in the perfect poise so that such things should not aggravate you and reflect non-divine side of you.

Best Wishes.

[sayanchakraborty1]

Who says Religion is internal, should keep it to internal only--should not wrongly interpret intentionaly.

If some one looks at a woman and calls her a MAN--that wont bother any one

But if I look at Jesus and interpret to people that JESUS is not savior--he was a killer and bla bla bla

I guess then it bothers many

Yes it will defenitely bother many believers of JESUS--and that will make me a siner.

But I am not a devil--so I do not propagate my religion by infecting others mind

[anroyus]

Swami Vivekananda said Religion is internal.

Your understanding of religion, God, Atma, Soul is not correct. You are aggravated due to misunderstanding.

If you keep a open mind, you can see your brighter side.

Best Wishes.

[sayanchakraborty1]

I am perfectly poised and that is why I protest such UNHOLY minds and UNHOLY activities in the name of HOLINESS.

Rejecting UNHOLY efforts are never non-devine side of anyone.

I treat every religion with respect but some religious fanatics try to propagate through UNHOLY activities like infecting others mind with FALSIFIED stories and analogies--Then it is duty of every follower of GOD to reject such efforts and stand guard.

JESUS dint teach to propagate through infection--DID he?

[SATAKARNI9]

Religion is made by man.

God did not make any religion. God wants a relationship with man. Man cannot find God because God is infinite. So, God made a way for man to have relationship with Him. So, God gave His only Son, Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ said: "No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6, The Bible.

Jesus Christ wants this good news known to everyone in the whole world that men of all nations, languages would come to have a living relationship with God our Father.

[SATAKARNI9]

So how do you transcend? What is the way to transcend?

[sayanchakraborty1]

Hinduism is sanatana Dharma nd the only dharma

Christianity is created by human and Hinduism is not created by any Humanbeing.

There is no comparison between us.

[sayanchakraborty1]

Do you really want to know how u can transcend?

Ask me if you really want to transcend..I will show you way honestly without any impurity

[SATAKARNI9]

Yes tell me how you can really transcend this death-life cycle and achieve eternal life.

[anroyus]

Transcending is just a term. The idea is as follows :

When our attention (seer) enlarges beyond itself ( seer ), it becomes the object to which it enlarges to. What you have experienced is the power of mind.

Try and enquire who is becoming all these objects. YOU HAVE TO FIND THIS YOURSELF. When your attention does not enlarge beyond itself, it is detached from the doer ( body-mind). Experience this. Attention alone remains.

[SATAKARNI9]

But then if we are unaware of it, then you do not know who you are, do you? Then what do you really know?! Your argument is CIRCULAR, I'm afraid!

[sayanchakraborty1]

What r we unaware?

What i dont know u think?

Why u feel my argument is circular and not straight line or triangular??

[SATAKARNI9]

You are using bad language sayanchakraborty1 , that does not behoove nicely on someone who considers himself from a great religion!

Anyway the point is: THE VEDAS SAY THAT BLOOD SACRIFICE IS NECESSARY FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN. NO INDIAN GOD EVER SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO OFFER HIS LIFE AND BLOOD.

I think you need to get out of your box and ask some questions objectively.

[krishnaarya]

God is a concept that a man creates himself for his own satisfaction for example you perceive your Jesus Christ by his sacrifice for mankind and sacrifice is a concept of social animal in this whole world there are probably 1 billion species of animals so you have about 1 billion perceptions of god in general a person projects his emotions onto an imaginary figure for his own satisfaction and labels it as god but in general Jesus Christ is at the most a human leader and not god

[krishnaarya]

all the attributes that you project here as a proof of his god hood are just species specific or human specific i.e limited to human beings only under your assumption god is confined to human beings only thats completely pathetic concept true god is this whole universe it self as it manifests in innumerable forms those who attain salvation view the universe as a complete entity with no change but still billions of changes within itself

[krishnaarya]

concept of love sacrifice respect etc have no meaning at all outside human sphere of influence nature of god as mentioned by vedas and especially upanishads is imperceptible can you imagine a whole universe in one instant of time no it is beyond your and my pathetic senses so upanishad mentions to us that only truth is brahman and no other entity exists for itself for more than a set time frame all there stages of human beings and animals are at the most intermediate like passing dreams

[krishnaarya]

a true yogi who attains salvation perceives this whole universe as physical manifestation of supreme divine when he realises this he is untroubled by other illusions like death pain kiss etc etc which are nothing but nervous perceptions of optic olfactory nerves if these nerves dont exist we cannot feel all these things whose existence depends on other factors and time are not real try to read bible and geeta and then compare with open mind and come back with some meaning ful arguement

[krishnaarya]

blood sacrifice etc etc are so childish and physical attributes for god to be taken seriously

[sylvanriver]

I also agree that all sin business is crap. We are the "God". As Swami Vivekananda said, "it is a sin to call us sinners".

[anroyus]

Swamiji also said, the only sin that exists is Weakeness. Weaknesses arise due to Ignorance, and results in samaskara ( a.k.a seeds of thoughts). The goal is to remove samaskara ,by properly engaging the free will (i.e. consciousness).

[arbitmax]

The born in sin concept is crap. When your essence is the very 'light', infinte self itself, how can you be anyway related to sin? Please, get the intepretations right before posting a video. There is no external god coming to the rescue here, god is within. Period.

Thanks.

[buddhafollower]

YOU ARE BORN A BUDDHA!!!

Remember that!!!

[SATAKARNI9]

If you are a Buddha, have you conquered all selfish desire? That's just a bunch of non-sense.

[sayanchakraborty1]

I am not Buddhist..anyways there is nothing called Buddha religion--it is Buddhism and followers are called Buddhists.

[SATAKARNI9]

I'm not responding to you sayanchakraborty1, I was responding to buddhafollower. So don't take it too personal.

[sayanchakraborty1]

Brother, do you know why did I respond?

To make you understand how it feels when some one comment to you unnecessarily

The same thing I requested u in the begining--Please do not mix two unmatchable religious believe

It is wrong to gospel others without knowing if the person already knows these

I am not taking anything personal

I am only trying to stop you from doing SIN by trying to confuse ppl

Though I am not sure if ur doing it knowingly--but still

[SATAKARNI9]

The purpose of all religion is to find a way to God.

But God Himself came to earth and showed the way to Him. God doesn't want religion, He wants a relationship with you and with me. This is the message my friend!

Take some time out to read the New Testament. Do some research.

Above all God hears everyone's prayer because there is only one God. Ask Him to reveal Himself.

I really hope you find the Truth. When you find it I can guarantee you'll find freedom!

[sayanchakraborty1]

The purpose of religion is for self esteem

To achieve knowledge

God does not want religion--exactly

Hinduism is not a religion because it is not created by humanbeings

Thats why I ask you why to go for christianity?

Why dont you come back to the sanatan?

Old Testament--sure I will go through it once I complete the education of Veda

Thanks 4 ur hope--Hope is life--but you know even if I find truth--that might be half truth to you still...

[SATAKARNI9]

So how do you reach God?

[sayanchakraborty1]

And believe me I respect Christians for many things.

But it does not take time to convert love into hate

And this is not only for me...It is for all

Let's not trouble others--stay happy with ur religion and let me be happy with mine

U asked Buddhafollower if he conquered all selfish desire--I will tell u he might not have but he certainly have conquered most of them compared to me and you

Lets respect him

[SATAKARNI9]

God created all men equal so you deserve my respect as well an anybody else. For that matter even untouchables. The same God who created you also created untouchables!

[sayanchakraborty1]

There is nothing called untouchables in Hinduism

Veda describes all human beings are creation of GOD

Everything is already described--why to be confused then?

That is sweetness of sanatana dharma and this is the uglyness of prejudice

[krishnaarya]

sorry but the first verse doesnt mean that all are born in sin and go on accumalating it. it means all are born as sudras the 4th class in caste system but by their deeds they rise upto greater heights

[anroyus]

No one can be born, if the person was already liberated, with the exceptions of incarnations.

So, to be born, means, there was unburned samaskaras ( tendencies). Samaskaras exist due to Avidya ( a.k.a Ignorance). In Christianity, it is the Avidya that is referred to as Sin.

See Brihadaranyaka Upanishad

[SATAKARNI9]

5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You[c] must be born again.' 8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." John 3.

Avidya = Ignorance,

but

Papa = Sin

[sayanchakraborty1]

Why r u discussing what bible says here?

Is this a Christian Gospel room?

This is disgusting.

Why don't you comment in Christian forums?

This is request.

Your stories r good for u but insignificant to us.

[SATAKARNI9]

Why not? This is just showing that our ancients had a sense of who the Creator God was. And after Buddhism became popular through Ashoka, the knowledge of God the Creator got mired away and people started to say "Aham Brahman Asvi!" And then it all disintegrated into idolatry. Even Adi Sankaracharya pointed to God who is outside the world.

[sayanchakraborty1]

Buddhism and Jainism are created from Hinduism

Christianity is not created from Hinduism.

anyways I don't feel importance to educate you..because u already lost the chance of being part of a great religion.

[SATAKARNI9]

So are you a Brahmin then? Even you have to work hard to escape your rebirth cycle. Watch out you don't do anything wrong - you might just be born as an animal or something even an untouchable!

[sayanchakraborty1]

why r u giving me speeches?

Do u think you know better than me?

I know more than what u gospel.

tell something concrete..all such speeches are delivered several times already.

[krishnaarya]

no I am not a brahmin i accept that i have to work hard to get out of birth and death cycle. animal and untouchable are same for me all the more animal is much better than gready humans for one who has known the truth any life is same prejudices are greedy humans and you are acting like a typical human being who craves for recognition and respect from the miserable society and miserable humans