Perfect form first, don't listen to this guy. Ronnie was doing cheat reps to load up. Something that beginner and intermediate lifters do not need to worry about.
the difference is that in this version of lat pulldown the Longissimus thoracis takes the work load, a normal lat workout only flexes the latissimus dorsi among other muscles...
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The majority of people looking for videos on form are beginners, and this is a horrible video to teach your form. If you are a beginner, do not take into consideration anything from this video, just look at one of the other thousands out there.
all bodybuilders have there habits. look at ronnies back, its amazing. the way he does it works. it looks like ronnies getting really explosive with it. he still fully contracting the lat muscles.
Anyone who is using alot of weight is going to cheat in some way. Like in BB Row, try rowing 1.5 of your bodyweight why your body stays still. Anyway, like it mattered... pff
this is all wrong man, he swings because its toooo heavy for him, but well its only my opinion, if you think this is the right way, that's all up to you
to all the moth*r Fu*kers who r cursing dis video for all wrong reasons listen up....dis guy ovr here is trying to make u undrstnd why the pro bodybuilder swing while doing a pull down nd why dey use a wide grip...and the reasons he has used to explain is quite all right, i see a buch of loosers writing a lot of garbage wid out knowing anything about the sport.
Dont make videos based on opion, ronnie is a pro thats been doing this for about 30 years, and that is a cheat set. you know how to use this technique if you are in advanced bodybuilding. Dont tell people how to do something a pro is doing. Bodybuilding is a trial and error sport.
first of all..its not a lateral pulldown..in that position, you are vertical..its called a lat pulldown because it works the latissimus dorsi..hence..'lat pulldown'..secondly...a wide grip does 'NOT' work the 'lats'..it works the middle back!..thirdly..a 'close' grip pulldown..works the outer back (LATS). A common mistake!..just remember..wide grip works inner back...close grip works outer back!..i made this mistake for years! i know it sounds backwards but it's the truth! try it and see!
Your secondly and thirdly are actually one point... And all I meant when I said the logic was flawed is that a swinging motion is not necessarily good for Isolation.... Which is what this video promotes... It can, however, be good for adding mass. Thats why Ronnie uses it.
i understand what you're saying..but what ronnie is actually doing is a 'cheat rep' which can be beneficial, especially when your tired. the swinging motion allows to to get the weight moving and eventually the back muscles take the work load. if he were to sit with proper form and not swing, he wouldnt be ableto get many reps. this was probably done near the end of his workout to exhaust his muscles completely. many lifters do this,but usually as a finishing exercise. proper form is always best
@dubberdoodee this was his 2nd exercise man, if you want big muscles you must go heavier and swing a bit, swining prevent the arms from engaging as much as if you wouldnt swing and the back take a bigger load when you squeeze, form isnt everything
@dubberdoodee though i agree with form is important with alot of different work outs, this isnt completely true. The biggest I have ever got as a teen (170-205 lean muscle in about a yearish) was completely from Ronnie Colemans lifting book. I believe it was called hardcore or something that was at my gym. Specifically i remember it saying alot of back exercises slight cheating is prefered through out because it will cause other muscles to get involved= better/bigger overall gains. my 2 cents
each to there own mate depends on the way your body is i meen ronny needs that width because of how wide he is and there is 1000's of exercises and different ways to do things
im guessing your another tiny dude that preaches perfect form but is small and weak. there is supposed to be a jerk when you do bent rows. youre supposed to be at a 90 degree angle to the ground. i have no clue who you are but i guarantee you are one of those guys that puts 25's on the bar and locks your back at a 30 degree angle and thinks youre hitting your back well
im guessing you're a 17 yearold who puts more weight then you can handle to impress your gay workout buddy. Give it a year or two douche bag, you wont be able to workout due to injuries. I bet you're one of those tools that puts on 225 on the bench and does it twice, using your chest like a trampoline. And btw, my senior year in highschool I squatted 315 for 8 reps at parallel. Interpret that how you like asshole.
ok but funny thing is ... the godfather of bodybuilding mister charles glass says ... dont swing to much like ronnie did but ronnie always was a sucker for going to fast on reps
Exactly, you are not supposed to sit completely upright doing lat pulldowns. You have to arch your back and stick out your chest to contract the back, so you got to LEAN back a bit, not swing, but lean. Yes ronnie goes fast on his reps but he is in no way, shape, or form doing these wrong.
People need to learn how to stop worrying about perfect form. Use decent form and push heavy weight, it's what makes you grow. Overload.
So...your argument is that Bodybuilders who are huge, and have ofcourse not gained any their muscles for illegal steroids, know best how to gain mass the safest way?
Thats just retarded. The best way to gain quality muscle and mass is to put the focus on the muscles you want to workout. In this case the Lats, not the lower back or arms. This video teaches you to use your body and its weight to pull down, then just keep the momentum you have created going, and then return. Stupidity!
Most pro bodybuilders use the "cheat" principle in different ways. It can be very usefull to fully overload the muscles. And actually when you lean back on a lat pull down, more lower lats are invovled. And after all using some back on a "back" excersise is fine.
If you'd be as smart as you think you are you'd know that its not an exact LAT pull down excersise - in this excersise he focuses more on his traps muscles and the middle of the back look how it opperates - later in that same video he does the lat pull downs WITHOUT swinging... you should check your facts again. I used to think like that but you should read more and check things out.
Well you are not smarter. The information on the video comes from Jay Cutler interview. I only use Coleman for demonstration. And how can you flex your traps when your shoulder are going down? Do you feel the stress when doing that exercise? The Muscle move cause the shoulders are moving, not cause they are flexing. Also when in that video Coleman does not swing? A the end he does swing. The cam have simply change angles.
Well anthor thing about ronnie that he trains for mega-size therefor if you had noticed in his videos he rarely works clean for a reason BUT this excersise still works specifcly on other muscles.
You cant let some noob who just started lifting weights to use that form he'll grow nothing from it - you start with slow pussy form yes but it takes at least 2-3 years of hard training before you can hit the cheating like the big guys do - so dont go around on youtube tell people how to train.
Yeah, ok now you re trying to change subject. You said ** he rarely works clean for a reason** show one video were he does that.
If you want to learn how to drive are you gonna ask somone with no experience or a professional when many years of experience? Your intellingent will push you to choose the pro. Cause they know what to do to get big. Thats why they make thoes movies. So the professional way is the right way cause they have results, amatures dont.
If you knew more about how to work out u'd know ronnie coleman cheats in about 80% of his exercises for sevral reasons, and one of them is that hes using SUPLEMNTS that beginers dont use get it? and most of the knowledge i have is from my personal trainer so yea i'd say its like going to an exped person to teach you how to drive - thats what i did...
While u just went guessing by your emotion instead of brain - i did it to but its wrong somtimes... so i fixed it
You re really going out of subject now, I clearly mention on my video that bodybuilders cheat DEPENDING ON THE EXCECISE THEY DO. If we focus on back exercise ( subject of my video ), the goal of this video is to show that when doing lat pull down, swinging is not a bad thing. That it, thats all. Nothing more nothing less. I did not talk about supplements and personal trainers on my video. Stick to the subject.
@akabigron every exercise is pretty much more effective when done slowly. keeps strain on the muscles for longer, and controlling the weight and keeping it slow stops you from using momentum to lift the weight and keeps it all on your muscles. it also prevents injury.
he is just swinging because he can't lift that much weight that many times without using any momentum. and if you want to bitch and tell me how he won mr. O well i would put on a lot of muscle too if i was on roids.
@muzimuzi you sound so retarded you lil gimp most people at gyms in general use supplements. even people who jsut diet are using supplements. RETARD!!!!!!
Ronnie is slightly leaning back because he's big as hell. I'm sure he can't even wipe his own ass. So next time you post a video if your not right about the correct exercise, at least be right about your spelling. You misspelled a few words. I already don't believe you.
you should analyse his first rep. I understant that he's going all the way up with the weight. But how do you explane the fact that he leans back when he pulls? To creat a vertical moment.
that is exacly what i m saying, you have to make a small movement. this related to the effect of the moment in physics. ( moment in Y is 0Mn when your arms are extented so you need a boost to creat an angle to make moment in Y )
Nice workout.....now do them slowly and WITHOUT the Dianabol,Winstrol,HGH and whatever other shit he is taking. LOL, nice to see all of you suckered in to Believing you can get big like this "drug" user, the natural way....please, and stop reading freaking Bodybuilding magazines. It's all bullshit. Take a class in basic genetics, better yet, do some research and talk to some PHd's in Genetics, to see if you can get big like "Roids Coleman", without some help.What a joke.
Well I know one thing. Gymnasts "swing" alot in their movements and looking at their physique you wouldn't say that they're not activating their muscles because of swinging. Swinging very slightly is a natural movement. Not all exercises are good to swing alot on, an example of a place to swing is on a bicep curl, you can F up your back like that. The reason why people criticize it is because using momentum from your swing takes away the isolation of the exercise, you're involving other muscles.
When moving during latheral pull down different muscle groups kick in, instead of promoting certain muscle groups. If people swing doing latheral pulldown they would be focusing front upper traps/shoulder and lower back, If they do it with minimum movement they would be promoting upper shoulder/traps at the same time, with slight movement, then the muscle group training would be in between what I mentioned.
THERE IS NO WRONG EXERCISE, ITS JUST DIFFERENT MUSCLE GROUPS ARE PROMOTED!
This a very good example of how to reinforce bad info. If you have to swing to generate additional energy to perform any exercise it must be because the weight is too heavy, the less extraneous movement you perform during an exercise the more stable you are and the more emphasis you put on primary muscle. Just because bodybuilders do it and they're huge doesn't mean its right, but hey they also take roids and have low sperm counts so knock yourself out.
I'd say the swinging is almost necessary when doing really big weights with big muscle groups. Other than that, it's useless and increases the chance of injury.
i find that the swing does help me in the beginning of the workout because it allows me to get momentum where other it would be more difficult to engage my lats and not engage with my arms...I have been training for 5 years and still are working to improve my technique and believe there are slight differences on how people train there back.. the most improtant part of the excersize is working the muscle to more than its used to, so i guess whatever works for you is the way to do it.
1. This is not proper technique for an amateur bodybuilder. Ronnie swings because his back is so muscular he has to use enormous weight to spark gains - well using so much weight puts excessive stress on weaker muscles like the biceps and shoulders.
2. If you are not a pro bodybuilder use a wide grip and angle your body a bit less than 90 degrees so that the pulldown simulates an angled row.
3. Strict form is how you become strong. It's about the rep not the weight when you're an amateur
dude its hard work. yea he might of take some shit back in the day but not now. theres now reason for 'roids if you don't have it genetically theres no need to fuck up your body. I'm 19 and my guns are 19's all natural, it started in sophomore year with football.
you have to keep in mind that ronnie coleman etc take about 30,000 dollars worth of growth hormone and steroids a year...they grow no matter what they do... their training is different to the average male...so as for the swinging..it depends what you what...when you want to tone..its best to keep it strict...when mass building its all about lifting heavy and getting it up!!...hense why power-lifters tell you to fuck off when you tell them to do it strictly
the person who posted this video couldnt even spell right, im not to sure hes qualified to give simple advice on technique, yes ronnie coleman is on all kinds of steroids and growth hormone, hes not as concerned with form because no matter what he does hell get pick, add the fact hes gifted genetically. since not everyone has coleman genetics, i wouldnt recommed the average joe, who is trying to get symmetry, do it this way. getting the proper from targets the muscle better than using momentum
some people do yell 'steroids' at every muscular guy they see. This guy is a great example of natural muscle getting labeled wrongly. I think it's partially because people see the musclebound as set apart from society, so they don't try to get stronger and therefore make excuses as to why they don't look like their neighbor who lifts at a gym every day; that they couldn't get to be like that without roids, which is not true; that it takes too much time, which is just plain whiny.
I dont think you know what your talking about...are you saying ronnie coleman is natural??...i dont understand what your blabbing on about...your just talking a load of crap to be honest...me and another user were simply commenting on the strictness of the form and how it doesnt always apply to bodybuilders and powerlifters who take steroids...im not yelling steroids at anyone...i take steroids myself!!
while pizza burgers etc are ok they contain lot of `empty` calories that body is more likely to store than burn - say body needs 50g of protein to recover - use protein shake to meet that = 300 cal - well placed! - use pizza and burgers thats 4-6x more cal to get 50 g protein needed and you get 150-300 g of carbs & 30-60g of fat as `extra`
i have been nursing my dislocated shoulder for 5 years now - it was never diagnosed right doctor sent me home with a shoulder out of socket gave me painkillers and viox ( back when it was on market ) and 1 year later it popped back in the place by itself.. but the damage is done.
i think all doctors are the same - these guys know less than an average 12 year
- they only know how to get their money for drugs prescribed.
Yo kid, what is the point of eating a lot of carbs with out making exercise? Of couse you ll get fat if you don't traine. It s the same thing with prots. stupid they can turn in to fat to. And bodybuilder eat less carb and sodium before contest so they cant loss fat and be cut, you fuck.
First Milos has a good symmetry, but was never consider as a big guy compare to others.
Second, I m pretty sure you miss interpreted what Milos said, cause it does not make sense. If what he said was thru, do this, spend one day eating a lot of food ( pasta, nuts, rice, meat, avocados ) then train late on the afternoon. The next day do not eat anything, but really nothing, then train late on the afternoon and tell me if you feel as good an perform as good as the first day.
lol i was kind of reading the comment of darkwolfa
until i seen his vid LOL ... but i told myself i will no longer insult people on tube so:
i wish you all the best of putting on your first pounds of muscles ! The beginning is always the hardest and most prone to injuries but once the base is there it`s downhill.. until you plateau .
but thats about 3-5 yeas from now for you so concentrate on bulking up first .
Someting more I know from Milos Sarcev for Pro's like Nasser El Sombati and Milos told in his Board - Nasser did very wrong workouts on his videos,and the hamburgers,the pizza....
They are only for the movie....
So don't copy and past the Pros because they don't have real reason to share his secrets for free!
if you really know bodybuilding you would understand that hambergers and pizza or not bad. Dieting is not about what you eat, but it is about the number of calorie you take in a day. Pros focus on that. More calorie, more energy, better performence in the gym.
Every pro bodybuilderIFBB,NGA...)has muscle-mind connection builded with years and they use cheating for the videos but they still has very good idea about right form!
Moving weight from point A to point B with sloppy form IS NOT RIGHT WAY TRUST ME!
Lean backward on lat pulldown involve lower lats more but when you use your lower back, biceps,shoulders - this is the worst case!
Many pros for example still perform Side Laterals with Elbows Down (big Mistake) but they have very good shoulders
Ha ha it just funny to see a small guys like you trying to correct the real professional. TRUST ME YOU ARE WRONG EVEN IN YOUR OWN VIDEO. If you can convince that what Ronald ( Ronnie ) did in that video was wrong, Then I'll listen to your theories.
Yes, but Ronnie for example has powerlifting background,and has many years before his first step at MetroFlex Gym...
After He was re-instructed how to train proper for bodybuilding by owner of MetroFlex and his training partner (by this time) and after few years Ronnie win his first Olympia title...
And If you not remember Ronnie Coleman has his own style and many people copy his style but they are still regular gym rats and nothing more...
It probably because they dont do everything like they are suppose to do. Rememger you can t just lift weights, you got to eat well and rest at the right time. I have seen those rats, they TRY to do like pro but they do it all wrong.
Yes it they all have there own style, but they all sway. You dont have to do like them. Like i said before " I made those videos for people who likes workout hardcore and be massive. If you want to play basketball for fun, you don't have to do it like pros. But if you want to be the best, I m sure you'll look at Michael Jordan tape. "
yea perhaps but what i mean ( at least from my own experience ) is that its much easier to lower the weight than lift it so i`d rather jerk heavy weight ( that i cant lift normally ) as long as i can lower it under 100% control and it will give me better results than doing 12 reps @ my max capacity.
From my own exp i know 1 to 3 reps at 200-300% my max produce better results - of course it`s easy to get hurt ( read dislocated shoulder and torn quad )
there's a reason why pro bodybuilders "swing" (sway) when they do that, its because they are lifting MASSIVE weights, and because of the momentum, they can't help it. Now for regular joes doing regular weights, there's no reason to sway. Just because pros do it doesn't mean you should do what they do. Just go for stable posture and do it nice and slow (and slow i mean CONCENTRATED)
Of cores you don't have to sway if you re lifting light weights. I made those videos for people who likes workout hardcore and be massive. If you want to play basketball for fun, you don't have to do it like pros. But if you want to be best, I m sure you'll look at Michael Jordan tape.
ronnie did nothing wrong.. he cheated on the positive but lowered it nicely thus causing tears in the muscles now he will go home eat his 300 grams of protein go to sleep and will grow some nice lean muscle - props to ronnie ! he did everything right in a subtle way that ppl without knowledge simply do not notice.
if you work out try what i said.. concentrate on negatives only and plz let me know if i was wrong - you`re welcome.
and about me knowing or not knowing about bodybuilding - it used to be my hobby for over a decade - have been told to turn pro - have been called Juice (never juiced ) been called a tree for the way i was cut - but i earned my muscles by about 40hrs a week in the gym.
i think that a person with a normally functioning brain will learn a thing or two in the process.
especially when supported by proper literature - still have 50 lb of m&f mags and arnold`s encyclopedia kicking around.
hi there perhaps i came too strongly about the bad spelling - my mistake i apologize - but i disagree with you saying that food grows muscle.. food grows fat bellies :P ( food + exercise = muscle )and trust me only lowering the weight ( causes tears in muscles = growth ) not lifting thus you can lift 2x - 4x more than you normally could with proper form via cheating as long as you can lower it under full control and it will give you good results . and yes i know this is coleman on the vid .
False false false. What you said did not come from Ronald cause I have the DVD collection. How to you think I make those videos? I m sorry but Ron focus a lot( I did not say only )on positive. I never seen Ronnie go slow.
But when you go down slowly ( controlled way ), you're muscles is working, so it is harder to go back up since you're muscle is already tired, right? What does that mean? IT MEANS THAT WHEN YOU CONSCIDER THE NEGATIF, IT ALOWS YOU TO WORK MORE, SO MORE DOMAGE TO THE MUSCLE TISSUE that will be reconstruct by protein.
ya like i am going to listen to somebody that can`t spell... lol .. and the reason ppl jerk the weight is because you only grow on negatives not positives in the rep .. meaning its not the lifting that makes you grow is the lowering of weight... and its easier to lower the weight than to lift it since lifting is not important you might as well jerk and cheat... as long as you lower it under full control.
First, everything that you see in any of my videos does not come from me but top pros. And it is no logical for an armature to criticize or to surpass a professional cause they have real results. Negative does make more damage to the muscular tissue, but that does not mean that you should ignore the positive . To have maximum results, the hole movement has to be consider, not just a part.
Second, weight training toes not grow the muscles, but FOOD is . It is thru that I need more practice with my English, but you need more knowledge about bodybuilding.
Actually its been proven that to a point the grip will change the plane of attack but muscle thickness comes with seated rows and flat out strength. There is a math formula to the cross section of muscle verses it kinetic output. After a point of width with the bar all you are doing is limiting your range of motion and taking away from the exercise.
you are so wrong its disgusting. Pros cheat because they can. Eat enough steroids, HGH and Insulin and you can do what you want so long as you move the weight. Youre a tool for even saying that.
whatever dude? thats your rebuttle? Its obvious to me and everyone else that reads this while owning more than the 6 brain cells youre using that this whole video is bullshit and completely wrong.
learn your shit son, this video is correct.... and i've never heard of insulin making anyone gain muscle easier or become bigger, i've only heard of teenage girls using it to lose weight. and you know.. keeping blood glucose between 70 and 120.
How about you learn your shit. I have a bachelors in emergency medicine and my associate degree is in personal training. Insulin is the chemical that pushes glucose (read: your body's fuel source) into the cells. If you take insulin in the right amounts at the right times you can supercharge your body's ability to utilize the food you eat instead of wasting it. When you learn something instead of the retardness in this video, hit me up Ill be more than happy to re-educate you.
well ive learned it both ways from 2 different people, one a body builder who looked great, he taught me to do it this way. so whatever suits different people i guess. the insulin thing makes sense, just never heard of it that way before. bachelors in emergency medicine though that's actually pretty cool and really specialized for a bachelors degree, in fact i didn't know you could go straight into "emergency medicine". im getting a bachelor of science in nursing currently
You know ronnie is on tons of drugs and steroids so basically his form doesnt matter
Guard655 3 months ago
He dosen't speak English. He speaks Canadian :)
piotrzawadzki 6 months ago
He maks sum very god points!
m00nshine2004 6 months ago
your spelling has to be the worst on YouTube
ec123456789able 7 months ago
im a beginer - fuck this wheres scooby?
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greveeen 7 months ago
Perfect form first, don't listen to this guy. Ronnie was doing cheat reps to load up. Something that beginner and intermediate lifters do not need to worry about.
Nikilwig 9 months ago
the difference is that in this version of lat pulldown the Longissimus thoracis takes the work load, a normal lat workout only flexes the latissimus dorsi among other muscles...
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Natcam3 1 year ago
you can't spell for shit, and you showing videos of a man that clearly uses steriods.
listen.
swinging motion is using momentum, it's cheating, like above ^ cheating reps.
his probably tired, see the weight, it's heavy, so cheating motion is only natural for him to do.
he isn't in control of the weight here, but im sure his probably getting a good work out none the less.
strict form is best. this isn't, end of story.
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2112mike 1 year ago
roids
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steroidsR4losers 1 year ago
all bodybuilders have there habits. look at ronnies back, its amazing. the way he does it works. it looks like ronnies getting really explosive with it. he still fully contracting the lat muscles.
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Anyone who is using alot of weight is going to cheat in some way. Like in BB Row, try rowing 1.5 of your bodyweight why your body stays still. Anyway, like it mattered... pff
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this is all wrong man, he swings because its toooo heavy for him, but well its only my opinion, if you think this is the right way, that's all up to you
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to all the moth*r Fu*kers who r cursing dis video for all wrong reasons listen up....dis guy ovr here is trying to make u undrstnd why the pro bodybuilder swing while doing a pull down nd why dey use a wide grip...and the reasons he has used to explain is quite all right, i see a buch of loosers writing a lot of garbage wid out knowing anything about the sport.
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Because STEROIDS make you bigger and stronger.
They don't want to be known as STEROID CHEATERS.
steroidsR4losers 1 year ago
Lol - the guy who made this is a flippin moron
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steroidsR4losers 1 year ago
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steroidsR4losers 1 year ago
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tomowyatt 2 years ago
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SteroidsR4Fakes 2 years ago
Dont make videos based on opion, ronnie is a pro thats been doing this for about 30 years, and that is a cheat set. you know how to use this technique if you are in advanced bodybuilding. Dont tell people how to do something a pro is doing. Bodybuilding is a trial and error sport.
murderman219 2 years ago
The logic in this video is flawed... This can be the right way to do it, but it depends on your goals
mateodawkins 2 years ago
first of all..its not a lateral pulldown..in that position, you are vertical..its called a lat pulldown because it works the latissimus dorsi..hence..'lat pulldown'..secondly...a wide grip does 'NOT' work the 'lats'..it works the middle back!..thirdly..a 'close' grip pulldown..works the outer back (LATS). A common mistake!..just remember..wide grip works inner back...close grip works outer back!..i made this mistake for years! i know it sounds backwards but it's the truth! try it and see!
dubberdoodee 2 years ago
Your secondly and thirdly are actually one point... And all I meant when I said the logic was flawed is that a swinging motion is not necessarily good for Isolation.... Which is what this video promotes... It can, however, be good for adding mass. Thats why Ronnie uses it.
mateodawkins 2 years ago
i understand what you're saying..but what ronnie is actually doing is a 'cheat rep' which can be beneficial, especially when your tired. the swinging motion allows to to get the weight moving and eventually the back muscles take the work load. if he were to sit with proper form and not swing, he wouldnt be ableto get many reps. this was probably done near the end of his workout to exhaust his muscles completely. many lifters do this,but usually as a finishing exercise. proper form is always best
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steroidsR4losers 1 year ago
@dubberdoodee this was his 2nd exercise man, if you want big muscles you must go heavier and swing a bit, swining prevent the arms from engaging as much as if you wouldnt swing and the back take a bigger load when you squeeze, form isnt everything
Quote47 1 year ago
@dubberdoodee though i agree with form is important with alot of different work outs, this isnt completely true. The biggest I have ever got as a teen (170-205 lean muscle in about a yearish) was completely from Ronnie Colemans lifting book. I believe it was called hardcore or something that was at my gym. Specifically i remember it saying alot of back exercises slight cheating is prefered through out because it will cause other muscles to get involved= better/bigger overall gains. my 2 cents
chapdaddy205 5 months ago
I tried this but it put too much pressur on my armes
stringer3bell 2 years ago
Thats one big ass nigger!
lifeshort 2 years ago
swinging just makes your next rep EZ... NEGATIVES are the ONLY WAY TO GO...
mastior 2 years ago
I wouldn't take advice from someone who can't spell arms correctly (or 'armes').
Back to school hillbilly.
raced88 2 years ago
this exercise is not called a "lateral" pulldown. lat is short for latissimus, the primary muscle group worked being the latissimus dorsi....
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superpredatorr 2 years ago
This video gives terrible advice. sorry. you need to take it down.
Ronnie Coleman has never been known for have the best exercise form. If everyone trained like Ronnie there would be alot of injuries.
Have you seen the way he does bent over rows?!?!?
that is no where near the proper way to do them, but it works for him. Just because Ronnie does things his way doesnt mean everyone should.
Tnig01 2 years ago
each to there own mate depends on the way your body is i meen ronny needs that width because of how wide he is and there is 1000's of exercises and different ways to do things
daleyy1234 2 years ago
im guessing your another tiny dude that preaches perfect form but is small and weak. there is supposed to be a jerk when you do bent rows. youre supposed to be at a 90 degree angle to the ground. i have no clue who you are but i guarantee you are one of those guys that puts 25's on the bar and locks your back at a 30 degree angle and thinks youre hitting your back well
WIGTRON5000 2 years ago
im guessing you're a 17 yearold who puts more weight then you can handle to impress your gay workout buddy. Give it a year or two douche bag, you wont be able to workout due to injuries. I bet you're one of those tools that puts on 225 on the bench and does it twice, using your chest like a trampoline. And btw, my senior year in highschool I squatted 315 for 8 reps at parallel. Interpret that how you like asshole.
Tnig01 2 years ago
Owned.
TGF87 2 years ago
ok but funny thing is ... the godfather of bodybuilding mister charles glass says ... dont swing to much like ronnie did but ronnie always was a sucker for going to fast on reps
ericpelletier557 2 years ago
The way he is working out is normal, and perfect, and about swinging, lol its not what i call swinging.
trust me you never saw a noob swinging around all over up and down during the reps,
Its good and perfect.
uponclouds 2 years ago 2
Exactly, you are not supposed to sit completely upright doing lat pulldowns. You have to arch your back and stick out your chest to contract the back, so you got to LEAN back a bit, not swing, but lean. Yes ronnie goes fast on his reps but he is in no way, shape, or form doing these wrong.
People need to learn how to stop worrying about perfect form. Use decent form and push heavy weight, it's what makes you grow. Overload.
Bsnakes 2 years ago
Once again...this way of doing pulldowns uses more of the body's own momentum than using proper form and targeting the lats.
Sure the Pros do it, most people do...they can do more weight and it looks cool. But hey, news flash, its not the best way.
thomasinnorway 2 years ago
Checkout what works for you need I say MORE! NO! I DON"T THINK SO!
82008607 2 years ago
So...your argument is that Bodybuilders who are huge, and have ofcourse not gained any their muscles for illegal steroids, know best how to gain mass the safest way?
Thats just retarded. The best way to gain quality muscle and mass is to put the focus on the muscles you want to workout. In this case the Lats, not the lower back or arms. This video teaches you to use your body and its weight to pull down, then just keep the momentum you have created going, and then return. Stupidity!
thomasinnorway 2 years ago
if you have tried to do lat pull downs like this, you can really feel it in your lats. so give it a chance before shitting on it.
tits or gtfo
Sirkelsag666 2 years ago
queers
steroidsR4queers 2 years ago
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steroidsR4losers 2 years ago
coleman is huge so it dont matter if he has form or not. its not making a huge difference
rhysgarlick1 2 years ago
Most pro bodybuilders use the "cheat" principle in different ways. It can be very usefull to fully overload the muscles. And actually when you lean back on a lat pull down, more lower lats are invovled. And after all using some back on a "back" excersise is fine.
powabuilda 2 years ago
Do you live in Montreal?
akabigron 3 years ago
If you'd be as smart as you think you are you'd know that its not an exact LAT pull down excersise - in this excersise he focuses more on his traps muscles and the middle of the back look how it opperates - later in that same video he does the lat pull downs WITHOUT swinging... you should check your facts again. I used to think like that but you should read more and check things out.
muzimuzi 2 years ago
Well you are not smarter. The information on the video comes from Jay Cutler interview. I only use Coleman for demonstration. And how can you flex your traps when your shoulder are going down? Do you feel the stress when doing that exercise? The Muscle move cause the shoulders are moving, not cause they are flexing. Also when in that video Coleman does not swing? A the end he does swing. The cam have simply change angles.
akabigron 2 years ago
Well anthor thing about ronnie that he trains for mega-size therefor if you had noticed in his videos he rarely works clean for a reason BUT this excersise still works specifcly on other muscles.
You cant let some noob who just started lifting weights to use that form he'll grow nothing from it - you start with slow pussy form yes but it takes at least 2-3 years of hard training before you can hit the cheating like the big guys do - so dont go around on youtube tell people how to train.
muzimuzi 2 years ago
Yeah, ok now you re trying to change subject. You said ** he rarely works clean for a reason** show one video were he does that.
If you want to learn how to drive are you gonna ask somone with no experience or a professional when many years of experience? Your intellingent will push you to choose the pro. Cause they know what to do to get big. Thats why they make thoes movies. So the professional way is the right way cause they have results, amatures dont.
akabigron 2 years ago
If you knew more about how to work out u'd know ronnie coleman cheats in about 80% of his exercises for sevral reasons, and one of them is that hes using SUPLEMNTS that beginers dont use get it? and most of the knowledge i have is from my personal trainer so yea i'd say its like going to an exped person to teach you how to drive - thats what i did...
While u just went guessing by your emotion instead of brain - i did it to but its wrong somtimes... so i fixed it
muzimuzi 2 years ago
You re really going out of subject now, I clearly mention on my video that bodybuilders cheat DEPENDING ON THE EXCECISE THEY DO. If we focus on back exercise ( subject of my video ), the goal of this video is to show that when doing lat pull down, swinging is not a bad thing. That it, thats all. Nothing more nothing less. I did not talk about supplements and personal trainers on my video. Stick to the subject.
akabigron 2 years ago
you know what i hate.. bastards who think they know whats right when really they sound like dumb fucks.. especially you muzimuzi
BAUERbbwdbry 2 years ago 2
@akabigron every exercise is pretty much more effective when done slowly. keeps strain on the muscles for longer, and controlling the weight and keeping it slow stops you from using momentum to lift the weight and keeps it all on your muscles. it also prevents injury.
he is just swinging because he can't lift that much weight that many times without using any momentum. and if you want to bitch and tell me how he won mr. O well i would put on a lot of muscle too if i was on roids.
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steroidsR4losers 1 year ago
@muzimuzi you sound so retarded you lil gimp most people at gyms in general use supplements. even people who jsut diet are using supplements. RETARD!!!!!!
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steroidsR4losers 1 year ago
Ronnie is slightly leaning back because he's big as hell. I'm sure he can't even wipe his own ass. So next time you post a video if your not right about the correct exercise, at least be right about your spelling. You misspelled a few words. I already don't believe you.
skankuser 3 years ago
Ronnie sucks
You can't spell
AT ALL
avigomw 3 years ago
you should analyse his first rep. I understant that he's going all the way up with the weight. But how do you explane the fact that he leans back when he pulls? To creat a vertical moment.
akabigron 3 years ago
that is exacly what i m saying, you have to make a small movement. this related to the effect of the moment in physics. ( moment in Y is 0Mn when your arms are extented so you need a boost to creat an angle to make moment in Y )
akabigron 3 years ago
the person who wrote the text in the video needs a spelling lesson ;-). nice Latissimus Dorsi though!
rbhardwaj1978 3 years ago
hes not swinging his body, ur not suppose to swing your body, so wtf r u talking about?
artevitta 3 years ago
Nice workout.....now do them slowly and WITHOUT the Dianabol,Winstrol,HGH and whatever other shit he is taking. LOL, nice to see all of you suckered in to Believing you can get big like this "drug" user, the natural way....please, and stop reading freaking Bodybuilding magazines. It's all bullshit. Take a class in basic genetics, better yet, do some research and talk to some PHd's in Genetics, to see if you can get big like "Roids Coleman", without some help.What a joke.
bocaramsmma 3 years ago
Well I know one thing. Gymnasts "swing" alot in their movements and looking at their physique you wouldn't say that they're not activating their muscles because of swinging. Swinging very slightly is a natural movement. Not all exercises are good to swing alot on, an example of a place to swing is on a bicep curl, you can F up your back like that. The reason why people criticize it is because using momentum from your swing takes away the isolation of the exercise, you're involving other muscles.
Ronin50007 3 years ago
RE: You better cheat or your not gonna get big!
operations1000 3 years ago
When moving during latheral pull down different muscle groups kick in, instead of promoting certain muscle groups. If people swing doing latheral pulldown they would be focusing front upper traps/shoulder and lower back, If they do it with minimum movement they would be promoting upper shoulder/traps at the same time, with slight movement, then the muscle group training would be in between what I mentioned.
THERE IS NO WRONG EXERCISE, ITS JUST DIFFERENT MUSCLE GROUPS ARE PROMOTED!
LetItFloat 3 years ago
how many reps u do?
TylerStarkell 3 years ago
This a very good example of how to reinforce bad info. If you have to swing to generate additional energy to perform any exercise it must be because the weight is too heavy, the less extraneous movement you perform during an exercise the more stable you are and the more emphasis you put on primary muscle. Just because bodybuilders do it and they're huge doesn't mean its right, but hey they also take roids and have low sperm counts so knock yourself out.
Vyse500 3 years ago
I'd say the swinging is almost necessary when doing really big weights with big muscle groups. Other than that, it's useless and increases the chance of injury.
Spankki 3 years ago
i find that the swing does help me in the beginning of the workout because it allows me to get momentum where other it would be more difficult to engage my lats and not engage with my arms...I have been training for 5 years and still are working to improve my technique and believe there are slight differences on how people train there back.. the most improtant part of the excersize is working the muscle to more than its used to, so i guess whatever works for you is the way to do it.
throws56 3 years ago
the 'lat' does not stand for lateral, it stands for latissmus dorsi.
sr19 3 years ago
1. This is not proper technique for an amateur bodybuilder. Ronnie swings because his back is so muscular he has to use enormous weight to spark gains - well using so much weight puts excessive stress on weaker muscles like the biceps and shoulders.
2. If you are not a pro bodybuilder use a wide grip and angle your body a bit less than 90 degrees so that the pulldown simulates an angled row.
3. Strict form is how you become strong. It's about the rep not the weight when you're an amateur
gdoulis 3 years ago
I agree
neupik 3 years ago
A. You don't know how to spell\write.
B. Whatever you've tried stating, is incorrect.
Using momentum won't give you anything,but flexibility at the best case.
C. Relying on something such as "he is a pro, so he probably does it well" is simply wrong.
But hey... don't feel down or something, that's just my point of view.
qdpqipqbp 3 years ago
Only Coleman trains like Coleman,not for Amateurs.
ismailzeki 3 years ago
only because pros do something there is no proof that dies is also correct ...
as in every sport bodybuilding was developed in the past 100 years ... and i'm sure there is a lot to change and better
fiscstef 3 years ago
dude its hard work. yea he might of take some shit back in the day but not now. theres now reason for 'roids if you don't have it genetically theres no need to fuck up your body. I'm 19 and my guns are 19's all natural, it started in sophomore year with football.
walkwithpride 3 years ago
you have to keep in mind that ronnie coleman etc take about 30,000 dollars worth of growth hormone and steroids a year...they grow no matter what they do... their training is different to the average male...so as for the swinging..it depends what you what...when you want to tone..its best to keep it strict...when mass building its all about lifting heavy and getting it up!!...hense why power-lifters tell you to fuck off when you tell them to do it strictly
allofmyllife 3 years ago
the person who posted this video couldnt even spell right, im not to sure hes qualified to give simple advice on technique, yes ronnie coleman is on all kinds of steroids and growth hormone, hes not as concerned with form because no matter what he does hell get pick, add the fact hes gifted genetically. since not everyone has coleman genetics, i wouldnt recommed the average joe, who is trying to get symmetry, do it this way. getting the proper from targets the muscle better than using momentum
whtmansburden08 3 years ago 2
some people do yell 'steroids' at every muscular guy they see. This guy is a great example of natural muscle getting labeled wrongly. I think it's partially because people see the musclebound as set apart from society, so they don't try to get stronger and therefore make excuses as to why they don't look like their neighbor who lifts at a gym every day; that they couldn't get to be like that without roids, which is not true; that it takes too much time, which is just plain whiny.
walkwithpride 3 years ago
I dont think you know what your talking about...are you saying ronnie coleman is natural??...i dont understand what your blabbing on about...your just talking a load of crap to be honest...me and another user were simply commenting on the strictness of the form and how it doesnt always apply to bodybuilders and powerlifters who take steroids...im not yelling steroids at anyone...i take steroids myself!!
allofmyllife 3 years ago
so many trainning techniques... its kinda hard to pick one as the best
WIlliamHack 3 years ago
if you feel you are training that muscle, then it should be right
pedinoway2 3 years ago
i agree and disagree with akabigron
while pizza burgers etc are ok they contain lot of `empty` calories that body is more likely to store than burn - say body needs 50g of protein to recover - use protein shake to meet that = 300 cal - well placed! - use pizza and burgers thats 4-6x more cal to get 50 g protein needed and you get 150-300 g of carbs & 30-60g of fat as `extra`
your body will use what`s needed and store rest
lean calories = lean muscle
but moderation is the key !
dziurawarura 3 years ago
while one can write a book about nutrients there is a simple rule
protein ( complete )- build renews muscle - excess will be burned as calories ( 4cal per gram or converted into fat and stored @ 9 cal per gram )
carbs will provide quick access energy ( 4 cal per gram ) also aid in fat burning - excess will be stored as fat
fat - most energy packed per gram 9cal but hardest to access - source of vit a d k and e
balanced diet is the key -
i tried 100% protein diet - waste of money.
dziurawarura 3 years ago
oh i feel bad about your injury darkwolfa
i have been nursing my dislocated shoulder for 5 years now - it was never diagnosed right doctor sent me home with a shoulder out of socket gave me painkillers and viox ( back when it was on market ) and 1 year later it popped back in the place by itself.. but the damage is done.
i think all doctors are the same - these guys know less than an average 12 year
- they only know how to get their money for drugs prescribed.
dziurawarura 3 years ago
Oh you are very stupid really!
IF you eat carbs you will have enough energy and you will be very happy!
But what happen to carbs if you can't use them for energy?
They are transformed into fats!
Why every bodybuilder carb deplete before contect?
May be they must start to eat pasta, nuts, rice, avocados?
Oh your knowledge is so poor, I'm sorry for you!
Can you make difference between carbs,fats and protein?
Maybe I must eat Ice Cream and Hamburgers only?
darkwolfa 3 years ago
Yo kid, what is the point of eating a lot of carbs with out making exercise? Of couse you ll get fat if you don't traine. It s the same thing with prots. stupid they can turn in to fat to. And bodybuilder eat less carb and sodium before contest so they cant loss fat and be cut, you fuck.
akabigron 3 years ago
dziurawarura I don't know what happen with my posts!
But I was 95 kg (about 200 lbs) at 1,75 sm (Jay Cutlar or Victor Martinez height) with 8- 9 percent bodyfats!
But I have injury and my country is very poor and with bad doctors.....
darkwolfa 3 years ago
akabigron calories from what?
Protein?Carbs?Fats?
Do you have Milos Sarcev nutrition DVD?
Because I have it, and Milos said calories are not factor!
Because we have calories from Fats, and we have calories from Protein!
If you consume 200-300 gr fats for 1 day you will have enough calories but still not enough protein!
But if you consume 300-400 gr of protein per one day you will have enough protein and enough calories!
For example:
1 gr pr = 5 cal
1 gr fat = 8-9 cal
darkwolfa 3 years ago
First Milos has a good symmetry, but was never consider as a big guy compare to others.
Second, I m pretty sure you miss interpreted what Milos said, cause it does not make sense. If what he said was thru, do this, spend one day eating a lot of food ( pasta, nuts, rice, meat, avocados ) then train late on the afternoon. The next day do not eat anything, but really nothing, then train late on the afternoon and tell me if you feel as good an perform as good as the first day.
akabigron 3 years ago
lol i was kind of reading the comment of darkwolfa
until i seen his vid LOL ... but i told myself i will no longer insult people on tube so:
i wish you all the best of putting on your first pounds of muscles ! The beginning is always the hardest and most prone to injuries but once the base is there it`s downhill.. until you plateau .
but thats about 3-5 yeas from now for you so concentrate on bulking up first .
and remember: skin, fat and bones don`t flex
dziurawarura 3 years ago
Someting more I know from Milos Sarcev for Pro's like Nasser El Sombati and Milos told in his Board - Nasser did very wrong workouts on his videos,and the hamburgers,the pizza....
They are only for the movie....
So don't copy and past the Pros because they don't have real reason to share his secrets for free!
darkwolfa 3 years ago
if you really know bodybuilding you would understand that hambergers and pizza or not bad. Dieting is not about what you eat, but it is about the number of calorie you take in a day. Pros focus on that. More calorie, more energy, better performence in the gym.
akabigron 3 years ago
Every pro bodybuilderIFBB,NGA...)has muscle-mind connection builded with years and they use cheating for the videos but they still has very good idea about right form!
Moving weight from point A to point B with sloppy form IS NOT RIGHT WAY TRUST ME!
Lean backward on lat pulldown involve lower lats more but when you use your lower back, biceps,shoulders - this is the worst case!
Many pros for example still perform Side Laterals with Elbows Down (big Mistake) but they have very good shoulders
darkwolfa 3 years ago
Ha ha it just funny to see a small guys like you trying to correct the real professional. TRUST ME YOU ARE WRONG EVEN IN YOUR OWN VIDEO. If you can convince that what Ronald ( Ronnie ) did in that video was wrong, Then I'll listen to your theories.
akabigron 3 years ago
Yes, but Ronnie for example has powerlifting background,and has many years before his first step at MetroFlex Gym...
After He was re-instructed how to train proper for bodybuilding by owner of MetroFlex and his training partner (by this time) and after few years Ronnie win his first Olympia title...
And If you not remember Ronnie Coleman has his own style and many people copy his style but they are still regular gym rats and nothing more...
darkwolfa 3 years ago
It probably because they dont do everything like they are suppose to do. Rememger you can t just lift weights, you got to eat well and rest at the right time. I have seen those rats, they TRY to do like pro but they do it all wrong.
akabigron 3 years ago
you are just one moron!
Well Ronnie do half reps, He use cheating and He sometimes use ultra heavy weights!
Am i need to do like Ronnie?
NO!
Victor (Martinez) has other style?
Jay has his style?
Every Pro has his own style?
darkwolfa 3 years ago
Yes it they all have there own style, but they all sway. You dont have to do like them. Like i said before " I made those videos for people who likes workout hardcore and be massive. If you want to play basketball for fun, you don't have to do it like pros. But if you want to be the best, I m sure you'll look at Michael Jordan tape. "
akabigron 3 years ago
yea perhaps but what i mean ( at least from my own experience ) is that its much easier to lower the weight than lift it so i`d rather jerk heavy weight ( that i cant lift normally ) as long as i can lower it under 100% control and it will give me better results than doing 12 reps @ my max capacity.
From my own exp i know 1 to 3 reps at 200-300% my max produce better results - of course it`s easy to get hurt ( read dislocated shoulder and torn quad )
dziurawarura 3 years ago
there's a reason why pro bodybuilders "swing" (sway) when they do that, its because they are lifting MASSIVE weights, and because of the momentum, they can't help it. Now for regular joes doing regular weights, there's no reason to sway. Just because pros do it doesn't mean you should do what they do. Just go for stable posture and do it nice and slow (and slow i mean CONCENTRATED)
chrisl84pia 3 years ago
Of cores you don't have to sway if you re lifting light weights. I made those videos for people who likes workout hardcore and be massive. If you want to play basketball for fun, you don't have to do it like pros. But if you want to be best, I m sure you'll look at Michael Jordan tape.
akabigron 3 years ago
Nice video but your spelling and punctuation make them appear less professional than perhaps they deserve.
BMan12121212 3 years ago
you know what, i ll make the correction just for you. Ok?
akabigron 3 years ago
Lovely. I wasn't trying to be funny or anything, just pointing it out. I found the video helpful. Cheers.
BMan12121212 3 years ago
haha dude you are in Canada too..
lol whereabouts maybe we worked out beside each other not even knowing !
im in Toronto
dziurawarura 3 years ago
ronnie did nothing wrong.. he cheated on the positive but lowered it nicely thus causing tears in the muscles now he will go home eat his 300 grams of protein go to sleep and will grow some nice lean muscle - props to ronnie ! he did everything right in a subtle way that ppl without knowledge simply do not notice.
if you work out try what i said.. concentrate on negatives only and plz let me know if i was wrong - you`re welcome.
dziurawarura 3 years ago
and about me knowing or not knowing about bodybuilding - it used to be my hobby for over a decade - have been told to turn pro - have been called Juice (never juiced ) been called a tree for the way i was cut - but i earned my muscles by about 40hrs a week in the gym.
i think that a person with a normally functioning brain will learn a thing or two in the process.
especially when supported by proper literature - still have 50 lb of m&f mags and arnold`s encyclopedia kicking around.
dziurawarura 3 years ago
hi there perhaps i came too strongly about the bad spelling - my mistake i apologize - but i disagree with you saying that food grows muscle.. food grows fat bellies :P ( food + exercise = muscle )and trust me only lowering the weight ( causes tears in muscles = growth ) not lifting thus you can lift 2x - 4x more than you normally could with proper form via cheating as long as you can lower it under full control and it will give you good results . and yes i know this is coleman on the vid .
dziurawarura 3 years ago
False false false. What you said did not come from Ronald cause I have the DVD collection. How to you think I make those videos? I m sorry but Ron focus a lot( I did not say only )on positive. I never seen Ronnie go slow.
akabigron 3 years ago
Lets say for example you're doing bench press. When you go down quick, you're not working, so you feel strong to go back up. right?
akabigron 3 years ago
But when you go down slowly ( controlled way ), you're muscles is working, so it is harder to go back up since you're muscle is already tired, right? What does that mean? IT MEANS THAT WHEN YOU CONSCIDER THE NEGATIF, IT ALOWS YOU TO WORK MORE, SO MORE DOMAGE TO THE MUSCLE TISSUE that will be reconstruct by protein.
akabigron 3 years ago
Remember positive +negative movement = max results and not negative only = max results
akabigron 3 years ago
you sould see my other videos.
akabigron 3 years ago
ya like i am going to listen to somebody that can`t spell... lol .. and the reason ppl jerk the weight is because you only grow on negatives not positives in the rep .. meaning its not the lifting that makes you grow is the lowering of weight... and its easier to lower the weight than to lift it since lifting is not important you might as well jerk and cheat... as long as you lower it under full control.
dziurawarura 3 years ago
First, everything that you see in any of my videos does not come from me but top pros. And it is no logical for an armature to criticize or to surpass a professional cause they have real results. Negative does make more damage to the muscular tissue, but that does not mean that you should ignore the positive . To have maximum results, the hole movement has to be consider, not just a part.
akabigron 3 years ago
Second, weight training toes not grow the muscles, but FOOD is . It is thru that I need more practice with my English, but you need more knowledge about bodybuilding.
akabigron 3 years ago
I you can convince that what Ronald ( Ronnie ) did in that video was wrong, Then I'll listen to your theories.
akabigron 3 years ago
LoL, ever heard of correct spelling?
UrizenTheNegator 3 years ago
laughable grammar in the WMM titles...
CGrip 3 years ago
YEAH! YEAH! I KNOW I KNOW. GET OVER IT.
akabigron 3 years ago
you get on it... that's horrible you can exercise but wtf is it good for if you're no good at spelling lmao.
trisix99 3 years ago
Why don't you exercise your mouth, go suck a dick. Then you'll forget about spelling.
akabigron 3 years ago
Actually, the wider your grip, the more your wings stick out, and the closer the grip, the inner part of your back thickens. =)
vandyluu 3 years ago
Actually its been proven that to a point the grip will change the plane of attack but muscle thickness comes with seated rows and flat out strength. There is a math formula to the cross section of muscle verses it kinetic output. After a point of width with the bar all you are doing is limiting your range of motion and taking away from the exercise.
hybridracers 3 years ago
you are so wrong its disgusting. Pros cheat because they can. Eat enough steroids, HGH and Insulin and you can do what you want so long as you move the weight. Youre a tool for even saying that.
hybridracers 3 years ago
what ever dud
akabigron 3 years ago
i agree with Hybridracers
the swing just makes it easier..
But ofcourse it's more fun ^^ swingin'
but i preffer VicNaturals aproach
but thx for this vid
NicolinoOh 3 years ago 2
whatever dude? thats your rebuttle? Its obvious to me and everyone else that reads this while owning more than the 6 brain cells youre using that this whole video is bullshit and completely wrong.
hybridracers 3 years ago
learn your shit son, this video is correct.... and i've never heard of insulin making anyone gain muscle easier or become bigger, i've only heard of teenage girls using it to lose weight. and you know.. keeping blood glucose between 70 and 120.
mcintosha06 3 years ago
How about you learn your shit. I have a bachelors in emergency medicine and my associate degree is in personal training. Insulin is the chemical that pushes glucose (read: your body's fuel source) into the cells. If you take insulin in the right amounts at the right times you can supercharge your body's ability to utilize the food you eat instead of wasting it. When you learn something instead of the retardness in this video, hit me up Ill be more than happy to re-educate you.
hybridracers 3 years ago
well ive learned it both ways from 2 different people, one a body builder who looked great, he taught me to do it this way. so whatever suits different people i guess. the insulin thing makes sense, just never heard of it that way before. bachelors in emergency medicine though that's actually pretty cool and really specialized for a bachelors degree, in fact i didn't know you could go straight into "emergency medicine". im getting a bachelor of science in nursing currently
mcintosha06 3 years ago
oh my goodness. EVERYONE DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS NON SENSE IN THE VIDEO!
laYmer188 3 years ago
really? do you have a better argument
akabigron 3 years ago
learn to spell and use proper grammar you dolt.
doncorleon818 3 years ago
The lat pull down is so named because the movement works the latissimus dorsi, not because the direction of the move is lateral or sideways.
eyepanic 3 years ago
If you look at the title it start with "RE:" so I had to keep the same title.
akabigron 3 years ago