OurBomberHarris: "Dresden Thanks for the memory Hope we can do it again soon God Bless"
hey LORDGODOFMERCY,
This is an eulogy for an atrocity. You have applied exactly the same principle as the Nazis did - kill the demonized nation with its children and culture while you elevate your own.
TheMrPangloss is a Finnish Neo Nazi He is a Tongue Twisting Toe Tapping Finnish War Crime Denying Greasy Cock Sucking Faggot He has an Anti British Complex and has a Drink problem which is not rare in Finland it's well known for its Drunks Finland and its Dirty History Pangloss perfect example
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Your hypocrisy is cosmic. Everybody is hypocrite at least to some extent. However you, you are a professional in hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy is an easy art, for you don't need brains for it. And you can also be a hypocrite without any sense of humor. Actually the sense of humor is its antidote.
You are kind of person about whom the British humor makes fun.
Why did Finland hand over Thousands of Soviet Prisoners of War to the Germans to be MURDERED Why did Finnish state police hand over Jews to the Gestapo to be MURDERED
@TheYellowbellyfins "Why did Finland hand over Thousands of Soviet Prisoners of War to the Germans to be MURDERED Why did Finnish state police hand over Jews to the Gestapo to be MURDERED"
Why did the Polish pre-war government stipulate anti-Jew laws; why did Poland welcome its Jewry by pogroms already in 1919?
Why do you overlook Petain's govt. which submitted 75000 Jews to the Nazis?
Why do you overlook Finnish govt's bravery, refusing to oppress the Finnish Jewry?
You make comments that are totally without proof. You make claims based on manipulations and lies. All seeking to put the responsibilty of Nazi crimes onto Britain & the US. When the war crimes of Finland are pointed out to you. You blather and whine like the little Finlader blinded by his own Nationalist tears of hypocracy.
@LordGodofMercy "When the war crimes of Finland are pointed out to you."
You poor bastard don't know Finnish nor Russian. You are not capable of going to the sources...
... while I deem you a moron with twisted motives with no appetite to talk on the topic with you. That is not denial but my sincere opinion that you are a moron, dumb as bread.
"Germany started the war and cannot expect that nothing will happen to them in return."
The bombings had nothing to do with who started the war. It was the air war directive which determined the qualities of the air attacks. Also the politicians used here the military for their rather dirty political passions.
The Luftwaffe committed ONE CRIME.
The RAF/USAAC committed ANOTHER CRIME
There is no justification whatsoever what was done to Dresden.
@TheMrPangloss Wrong, Germany was given every chance possible to surrender and have the war over but they wanted to continue fighting. The German military is responsible for vast amounts of crimes against humanity and needed to be stopped ASAP. Why did they just not stop the war and saves somany lives including many of their own. The bombing was brutal but justifiable in the context of the war against a rogue tyrant nation.
@continentalmilitaria "Wrong, Germany was given every chance possible to surrender..."
Total bull.
The anti-Nazi resistance was abandoned by Churchill and Roosevelt (read Wheeler-Bennett memo). Roosevelt described to his wife Eleanor his happiness after the failed Stauffenberg coup that he would not need to deal with a friendly anti-Nazi government.
The Morgenthau plan was also leaked to the press which would make Germany fight bitterly for surrender would not have promised anything better.
@continentalmilitaria "The German military is responsible for vast amounts of crimes against humanity and needed to be stopped ASAP."
Indeed.
However, this does not explain the crimes the Allied "had to" commit. The roasting of women and children only made Germans to fight more fiercely fearing cruel treatment. Knowing Eisenhover, they were right.
The mass rapes instigated by Stalin and Ehrenburg, of not only German but Polish and any woman encountered did not serve anything either.
@TheMrPangloss In the context of WW2 in Europe yes. The Russians were no angels, agreed, they did a lot to many nations too. The killing of women an children by Germans care even less about what happened to the tyrants civilians, just end the war. But now tell me, Why did Germany start the war? Also What would have been your solution(s) to ending the war? Do not deviate from these question, answer them, do not deflect, and do not change the subject, give another comment or say anything else.
That kind of bombing began in 1919 in Mesopotamia and India under British administration. It was continued in Japan by the USAAC. Did the Japanese attack any U.S. city? They attacked Pearl Harbor and the Philippines but 100% military targets.
@TheMrPangloss "That kind of bombing began in 1919 in Mesopotamia and India under British administration. It was continued in Japan by the USAAC "
Still posting your anti Allied, Nazi apologist fakery. Despite being proved by many to be deliberately falsifying facts to suit your own agenda. The German airforce invented terror bombing civilians in WW1.
@TheMrPangloss So the Zeppelin & Gotha raids in 1917 on British cities didn't happen?
You claim to not to be an Anglophobe but you post the same false allegations over & over, Every time manipulating events to frame the British as the protoganists.
You have totally ignored all that have proved your posts to be lies and flawed to continue reposting your rhetoric
@LordGodofMercy "The German airforce invented terror bombing civilians in WW1."
No, it was the Italian theorist Giulio Douhet. The first pure terror bombings were carried out by Italy in Abessinia.
But the Mesopotamian bombings by the RAF had the same "Trenchardian" hallmark of terror bombing as what the RAF carried out later in ww2. White phosphorus was used already in 1919 and early 1920s. In 1944 Churchill tried to lobby through the use of mustard gas which would have killed millions more.
@TheMrPangloss "In 1944 Churchill tried to lobby through the use of mustard gas which would have killed millions more." Meaningless !! It didn't happen.
So we are agreed. The RAF did not invent terror bombing & Germany was the first to use insendiary & high explosives on unprotected civilains in WW1. So Mesoptamia is irrelevant & just your Anglophobic trickery
It is not meaningless at all. Google the "gas memo" and read it.
It is full of Churchill eloquent manopulations and lies. His true intention is to kill civilians by mustard gas en masse and yet he tries for example to persuade that the injuries caused by mustard gas are "totally curable".
@TheMrPangloss So are privy to notes taken in meetings during WW2. Due to the freedom of information act. Perfect for Anti Allied, Anglophobes like you to take out of context and use to suite your agenda. Shame Finland does not make public the discussions Mannerheim had with Nevalinna when outherising the Finnish SS.
@LordGodofMercy "Anglophobes like you to take out of context and use to suite your agenda."
Actually it is rather you who has "agenda". You are censoring here all views which don't suit you.
You also manipulate using your countless accounts which posters and posts should be marked as spam and which thumbed up.
You don't care about the victims, LORDGODOFMERCY. If you really cared the victims of the Holocaust you would also understand that what was done to Dresden was a crime.
@LordGodofMercy "Shame Finland does not make public the discussions Mannerheim had with Nevalinna when outherising the Finnish SS."
Shame that Poland doesn't discuss publicly about their own concentration camps where people died in hundreds and thousands, or the Polish SS. Shame that France doesn't admit its own not modest share in the Holocaust. Shame that Britain had its own SS.
You would make a good SS yourself, LordGodOfMercy. You are ultra patriotic, with low IQ and genuinely hostile.
@TheMrPangloss Your crap British SS claim again. 12 British POW's were persuaded to dress in SS uniforms for a propaganda shot. They were promised extra rations if they did. The one ex black shirt among them was hung after the war for treason. The Finnish SS were commemorated by the Finnish government in the 1990’s with a memorial to their memory. Much to the disgust of the Jewish institute based in Paris. Nice try Grossliar!!!
And nice try always to undemine the bravery of the Finnish government when it saved 500 Jewish refugees from Gestapo against those 8 which it could not save.
Saving 500 Jews is bravery.
Then also protecting ALL JEWISH FINNISH CITIZENS with no oppression whatsover but ALWAYS WITH FULL CIVIL RIGHTS.
Why are you denying the Polish Anti-Jew laws already before war?
Why are you denying that the British govermment hampered the escape of Jews to Palestine by closing harbors from their ships?
Why are you denying the not modest share of the French government to the Holocaust?
And why are you denying that the Allied administration recruited ex-Nazis in West Germany after war? They led good lives while Eisenhover starved common soldiers to death in his death camps. You deny that too.
@LordGodofMercy "The Finnish SS were commemorated by the Finnish government in the 1990’s with a memorial to their memory. Much to the disgust of the Jewish institute based in Paris. Nice try Grossliar!!! "
I don't know about this. You tell the reason. Perhaps Martti Ahtisaari, the man to whom a Nobel Prize of Peace was awarded was a "Nazi". LOL
@LordGodofMercy "hame Finland does not make public the discussions Mannerheim had with Nevalinna when outherising the Finnish SS."
Shame that Poland doesn't discuss openly about its anti-Jew laws which were stipulated as soon as the country regained its independence after 1919. The Antisemitic zeal existed in Poland long long before similar measures to oppres Jews were taken up in Germany.
Shame that England doesn't discuss its famines in India.
Mosley and his hardcore Blackshirts were thrown in Jail. The Finns put up a Division of SS Volunteers as a good will gesture to Hitler. All under Mannerheim’s approval,
These willing fascists helped spread the net for Hitler's death cult. And the Finns put up a memorial for them.
@LordGodofMercy "So we are agreed. The RAF did not invent terror bombing & Germany was the first to use insendiary & high explosives on unprotected civilains in WW1."
The "Trenchardian" air war doctrine was applied in Mesopotamia and Indian by the RAF. And that was what the type of carpet bombing where a carpet of incendiaries were sown with explosives on a human habitat.
@continentalmilitaria "The bombing was brutal but justifiable in the context of the war against a rogue tyrant nation."
The fact that the enemy country has a cruel and evil government doesn't justify the deliberate roasting of civilians.
The Allied claimed to be liberators and fight for civilized values. But their bloodthirst don't support this view. The more I learn about the Allied the more disappointed I am.
It was supposed to be against the Nazis, but it was instead against the people.
@TheMrPangloss So tell me if you are so smart, WHY DID GERMANY WANT AND START A WAR????? Their memory of Dresden serves as a deterrent so they do not EVER start another war. That deterrent has been working for almost 70 years and still working. This has been the longest stretch of time the German nation has gone without waging war.
@TheMrPangloss Wow for Danzig, so explain the rest of Poland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium. They lost Danzig and other properties as a result of WW1. Stop changing the subject or are you finally unable to defend your BULLSHIT!!!!
@continentalmilitaria "Wow for Danzig, so explain the rest of Poland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium."
You know it already yourself.
Poland as well was a dictatorship which harassed its minorities. It was a country with anti-Jew laws, and it oppressed its native Germans and White Russians.
The military Poland, so as to say, had an evil government as well.
The evil governments of Poland and Germany were instigated against each other by Britain.
As much as I want to point out that Hitler and the Nazi government were barbaric, for its merit I should point out A FACT, that it HAD NO PLANS TO ATTACK WESTWARDS.
The indisputably aggressive attack towards the west occurred ONLY AFTER THE WAR DECLARATION BY BRITAIN AND FRANCE.
And the reason for this war declaration was not Poland, BUT THE NIGHTMARISH ALLIANCE BETWEEN THE NAZI GERMANY AND THE SOVIET.
@TheMrPangloss This does not explain the invasion of half of Czechoslovakia and the forcing Slovakia to declare independence under the threat that Germany will allow Hungary to invade into Slovakia. All this took place before the attack on Poland. Czechoslavakia was no threat to Germany and they forced themselves on a peaceful democracy.
@continentalmilitaria "This does not explain the invasion of half of Czechoslovakia and the forcing Slovakia to declare independence under the threat that Germany will allow Hungary to invade into Slovakia."
But can you explain the Munich Pact 1938 then?
Chamberlain signed it and after that it was legal.
Indeed an evil deed from Britain. Hitler should have been stopped at that point but Britain did not want to.
@continentalmilitaria "This does not explain the invasion of half of Czechoslovakia and the forcing Slovakia to declare independence ..."
It was evil enough that Hitler burned the Reichstag and deprived the Germans the civil rights. He was allowed to build an army and the Versailles treaty conditions were overlooked.
And it was evil enough that Hitler made Germany a police state oppressing people.
@continentalmilitaria "That deterrent has been working for almost 70 years and still working."
I don't doubt that the Nazi Germany was militaristic. But the core of the Nazi cartels of military industry were the Anglo-German companies I.G. Farben and A.E.G. (/general Electric).
But the Imperial Germany was not militaristic. Emperor William had not waged a single war before 1914.
@TheMrPangloss Once more stop deflecting (if you know what it signifies) and answer my previous two questions properly. Or admit you cannot defend your point when you are pushed for an explanation and DO NOT have a viable answer. I will not justify any of your rants by answering them unless you give solid answers.
@TheMrPangloss You have not been able to properly defend your points but have been dogging. Any mediated debate would have had me win this one. All that aside now. I am not mad at you since used to think the same way until my late 20's. I see you are interested in history and try to figure things out for yourself instead of just believing what everybody says, that is GREAT. What happened to the people in Dresden was terrible but Germany had to be defeated.
@TheMrPangloss How to avoid it was my second question but you have not answered the first yet. Germany had NO RIGHT to invade a non-threatening sovereign countries territory or impose their will on the people let alone kill many of them. The moment they commit such an act they forgo their right to not have the attacked country defend itself of be defended up to and including death of the attacker. This is what many courts deem justifiable defense.
@TheMrPangloss Now we are getting somewhere. We appear to agree on all the point you mentioned in this last reply. Not every country was all that innocent, that goes more than double for the Soviet gov. Most people in most countries are just innocent people including including those in Germany and the Soviet Union. But how do you free the innocent people that were invaded by a foreign army? The innocent people that happen to be citizens of the invading country are then in turn threatened.
@TheMrPangloss So if the invading army is to be forced out many innocent people that just happen to be from the invading country will be hurt. Yes that sucks.
@continentalmilitaria "So if the invading army is to be forced out many innocent people that just happen to be from the invading country will be hurt."
Particularly when these civilians are deliberately killed.
They don't just die just like that, they are killed.
Why are they killed?
We have never been told, and we won't. But I am sure that it is always a very high order like in the case of Dresden and Hiroshima.
@TheMrPangloss Again you are getting off rack and it is becoming annoying with it. ANSWER QUESTION #2 HOW WOULD YOU STOP THE WAR? then defend this... Why were German troops firing at my wife's grandmother when she was crossing a small bridge over a stream when they could clearly see that she was just barely a teenage girl a the time? Why did they kill many people in my town just because they were Jewish? When they caught the local chief what were the human ears doing in a bag in his office?
@continentalmilitaria "Why did they kill many people in my town just because they were Jewish? "
One important part of instigating people for war is poisoning their minds with hate.
The Germans experience very difficult times at the end of the ww1 and after it. During the Berlin blockade 750 000 people were starved to death. People continued starving to death in the Ruhr occupation 1923 with hundreds of thousands dead. The NSDAP which promoted hate, as we know, had mighty western supporters.
@TheMrPangloss Yes and the poor old Jewish lady that lived near the town square had to be killed, you support that. But it is a crime to kill German civilians, that is punishable by death from your bullshit. Thanks for proving your complete divorce from reality and common reason. Will waste no more with a flake like you.
@continentalmilitaria "The moment they commit such an act they forgo their right to not have the attacked country defend itself of be defended up to and including death of the attacker."
Were the Dresden refugees "attackers". The city was ready to surrender with huge red crosses painted on the roofs.
@TheMrPangloss When you are fighting for your life or the life of a friend relative or innocent person the well being of the attacker is secondary until the attacker is subdued. Maybe you are the type of person that would cry for a mugger being hurt when a victim defends themselves or is saved by another person putting their safety at risk to save someone else. This ends it until you can answer the two questions. Goodbye.
@continentalmilitaria "Maybe you are the type of person that would cry for a mugger being hurt when a victim defends themselves or is saved by another person..."
Dresden, "city of muggers". I will remember this, hilarious.
Vietnam, the nation of "muggers".
This is perhaps the best Dresden apology I have seen.
So this "nails it", perfectly "justifies" the massacre of civilians in Dresden and elsewhere.
The whole method of attack was scientifically developed to cause a maximal death toll.
Dresden was not bombed to defeat Germany for it was already defeated. The Red Army was nearing only ca. 50 km away from Dresden and could see its glow night time.
@TheMrPangloss The Russians forced the hand of the allies. The Russians were taking toomany casualties and taking the brunt of the war. The Allies ad to do "something". The target was chosen because it was in the east, had narrow roads and very flammable buildings.
And seeing this the purpose was to separate Germany and Russia politically.
For the Imperial Germany and Tczaric Russia threatened to form a rivaling economical and geopolitica block to the Anglo Saxons.
The British Empire would not tolerate this. So the ww2 destruction and geopolitical division were the dream come true to the Anglo-U.S. establishment.
This "something" was a show off of the western war industry to Stalin what would await Russia too if he wasn't collaborative and keep the western plutokrats happy.
@TheMrPangloss That is war. Germany as the instigator cannot be give the position of "VICTIM". Yo are trying to make them out to be the victim they are not!!!! To save your life kicking below the belt is allowed. Stop quoting conventions, Germany violated just about every if not every thing they sighed. They drew he first blood so they cannot hide behind agreements they violated first. You cannot have it both ways.
@TheMrPangloss How about if I give you a lack eye and then you slit my lip? The will call you a criminal attacker and tell the whole world what a violent person you are. That is he type of stupidity you are defending. Stupid is what stupid does and I do not suffer fools gladly.
@continentalmilitaria "The target was chosen because it was in the east, had narrow roads and very flammable buildings."
"Burnable" with high density of inhabitants. This is enough for a confession of a war crime. It already violates the international agreements on martial laws and also the Hague 1907 (ratified by Britain). Even though Britain only "unanimously accepted" the League of Nations convention 1938, its violation would not allow the wholesale disrespect of civilian life.
Helenheather is a not a female -he is a male clone who for years spends hours on this and many, many other sites spewing out his ignorance Dresden was no more horrendous than the bombing of many other beautiful cities in Europe. There was no German complaint about Dresden until Walter Ulbricht, a former DDR communist president who tried to win the support of East Germans by blackign the name of the allies His propaganda, like that of Goebbles lives on in the minds of many fools.
@eddie123e I think Goebbels gave it a go too - forgetting who started the whole thing with an unprovoked attack on the Polish town of Wieluń in the early hours of 1 September 1939. I suspect the 'clone' also has forgotten this.
@alanheath In fact the Luftwaffe practiced city bombing when they attacked Guernica in 1937.. Many of the unfortunate Spaniards they killed there did not even know where Germany was. The Germans also practiced their genocide strategies when they tried to eliminate the Herroro and Nama peoples in SW Aftfica during their failed attempt to build a German empire in Africa. When we attacked Dresden V2 rockets were still falling indiscriminately on London.
@eddie123e sorry to disappoint but I am one of the very few feamles surfing YT. How sad that you come up with such a response. Your views on Germany are those held by many in GB who have listened to the tales from the older generation and the mainstream media. " I suggest you try reading stuff aftyer 1995, starting with 'Defying Hitler' by Sebastian Haffner and 'On the Natural History of Destruction ' by W.G. Sebald.
@eddie123e And another thing- I am I and I alone. My typing is crap at times, BUT my grammar shows my Brit creds compared to MrP et al [ no offence chaps] Wish I'd made up a cute name, but didn't know folk on these sites made things up. If you read my posts, they are consistently anti-no country or its people. This is not sad, but to be prejudiced against anyone due to race, religion, nation or indeed political history is sad indeed- that's what I'm trying to get across!
I also repeat, if Hitler had the vast majority of support as you claim, he would not have needed a secret police service, the dreaded Gestapo to keep the simple masses in line. We just lack the imagination or the will perhaps in GB to think about how such dictaorship's deny the human rights of its people. Rights we too easily take for granted, I fear. Under such regimes, the finest scruples are tested and left wanting.
@continentalmilitaria I always have thought it a war crime [ I'm not alone either] that is once I found out about it. Not at school of course, oh no, funny really, for it was SUCH a success! Yet no big victory stories about it and we do so regularly like to mention our glory in WW2 on these sceptred British Isles. Wonder why we don't if it was NOT a war crime?
@helenheather Bombing a mostly civilian target is not popular and difficult to justify. The German will to fight and make war had to be broken. It was a dirty job but something like that had to be done. When I talked to one German he complained about the bombing of Dresden and the savagery of Russian soldiers on German civilians. I then asked him if Germany would ever start another war? He said no. So I told him that is the reason why those things were done.
'All that Germany needed to do is laydown their weapons and stop, then it all would have been over.' this statement shows a total disregard for the fact that the german people [German Jews et al] were the first victims of a cruel dictatorship which refused to surrender. I certainly would not have been brave enough to stand up to the Gestapo. Unless one is a saint or true hero, most of us would be like George Orwell's character in room 101 and scream our betrayal ' Do it to Julia , not me!'
@helenheather Look at what the Italians did. The soldiers on the front line just ran to the allies. Look how long the communist governments in Eastern Europe stayed in power after the USSR stopped supporting them. The German believed the bull Hitler was saying and they had a will inside them to fight to the end, just talk to veterans or listed to their recorded memoirs. What would your solution be to end Nazism?
@contmilitaria So the Italians swapped sides- damn safer to switch to the other side wasn't it? The Gemans couldn't safely oppose Hitler by then. So, unless you are saying that the Germans are unlike the rest of the planet [not very PC ] THINK; a leader that promises to re-instate people in Prussia and Sudentland and bring about economic recovery sounds o.k. but once he turns against his Russian allies and GB and USA declare war too, he could only lead a country to destructruction.
@continentalmilitaria Don't be daft, they didn't all believe the Bull; anymore than we all believe politicians today , or do you have psychic powers of understanding over a whole nation from 65 years ago? Another tiny but relevant fact is that if you opposed the Reich , soldiers were shot and us little folk had a knock on the door from those smiley brown shirts.HHmm, quite an incentive to keep your head dwon I think!!
@helenheather Stop with the "all police" argument. Not all but MOST went along with it. Yes the Germans at that time were different from others and were not PC. If you lived next to them and not had the channel to protect you you might have known it as well. They truly believed in the BS they were fed. They were always militaristic bordering on spartanism. Conquering was in their genetic makeup. That had to be stopped and the job was not going to be pretty.
After you have read and studied about it as much as I did you will know as well. As for Saddam it did require a foreign force to come in and help out. The Iraqi army did not fight much at all and preferred to surrender just like the Italians. The German mostly fought to the bitter end, that was the problem. Get more facts together and maybe you can participate in an intelligent debate at a much later time.
@continentalmilitaria I suggest that you also read more widely. Works from 1995 onwards, which are less prone to 'winners viewpoint' . I can suggest several works, but recommend you start with 'Defying Hitler' by Sebastian Haffner as well as applying some plain logic to blanket statements about a whole nation of people!
@helenheather Books from Neo- nazis do not interest me. Maybe you should come and visit Lidice and see what they did there. The modern German government has apologized for it. The modern German government even went as far as being the premier nation in Europe to push for action to help the Bosnians that were being murdered. To solve the problem NATO bomber Serbia and it worked as before.
@helenheather The other major thing was that the Russian were on the case of the western allies blaming them for leaving the fighting and dying up top the Russians. The western allies had to make a move in the east part of Germany to help remove the strain on the Russians. (that is a historic fact) BESIDES the Germans were mot sorry for the war they were only sorry they lost. That is a sentiment that still persists with some Germans to this day.
@continentalmilitaria 'the Gemans were not sorry for the war'' I do not believe that you can possibly have an insight into the hearts and minds of a whole nation, a people who had already suffered under a previous war which they did not start , but were punished for severely. Such myths are fed in GB and I can see from your posts how terribly they still flourish. It is your sad right to hold onto your hatred and living in a democracy you won't be carted off for racist attitudes!
@helenheather Listen my family lived under their occupation. My great uncle was sent to a concentration camp for the crime of helping a family with food etc. that had the husband taken to a concentration camp. Much of my family lived during that time and they can say what the Germans were like. The same goes for the Polish people I know. I do not understand why you would defend them UNLESS you have sympathies for their cause. Like many others on youtube.
@contmilitariThe Wehrmacht was mostly concerned with the army, which my RAF father-in-law actually respected when he served in Africa. He thought the german soldiers were 'fine specimens' . Hitler's brown shirts and Gestapo terrorised the nation and created the horrors of the camps, in which millions of non- jewish germans perished too, but sadly they are never mourned in England or USA. Nor is it commonly known that the Russians re-opened camps in E. Germany for 5 long years after the 'peace'.
@contmilitaria You keep your hate alive, it is your sad right . My mother lived throught the Blitz too, but she never learned to hate Geman people. In fact after the peace the German POW boys weren’t allowed back for YEARS as reparations and she took some in as lodgers and guess what ? She found them to be just like any young lads far from home and very handy around the house. Even my uncle got on with them and he'd bombed their homes!
@helenheather I do not keep the hate alive for the modern Germans they are OK. Read what I wrote. The Russians is another discussion. You are using a typical tactic of pointing at someone else when you are loosing ground. As I wrote below the Germans treated the British differently since they wanted them as allies against Russia. The war the Germans fought in the east was a war of no quarter given. They wanted the land and to make the people work for them.
The blitz was nothing compared to what they did in the east. They murdered out entire towns. They treated and waged war on people according to their race as Slavs we were farther down the ladder than the British so we got it much worse. The Russian soldier who had his parents killed and his sister raped did go on a rampage. Fittingly for the WW2 Germans they were beaten and defeated by Russians, those they believed to be so inferior to them.
If they invaded your country, sent your relatives to concentration camps, cut your fathers head off like what happened to my former landlord, have them shoot at a teenage girl crossing a bridge over a stream (my wife's grandmother), confiscate a a large portion of your yearly harvest (my grand parents). The only reason my mother is not deaf in both ears is because the US arrived and had medicines. So plug your head out of your own hole and see it from the perspective we had to go through.
Look those boys were taken away from their officers. When they were ordered to kill they did it. As I said before once they were totally defeated and !!!!! under the care of a decent nation like the UK they could be rehabilitated
@helenheather Racist attitude? We were Slaves and sub human to them. They only wanted our land factories and all else and just have us work for them. That was the Germans of WW2. They waged MUCH different war on the east front than they did against the British Now they are different, I accept those that do not agree with what happened in WW2 . The modern German government is doing what it can to correct the wrongs that their nation have done in the past.
@helenheather The modern Germans are extending a hand of friendship to nations they did bad things to in the past. But that is the result that they had to be decisively defeated. And had to have the western allies create a democracy in Germany that worked. The Militaristic part of German nature has been crushed. They are still hardworking, industrious and now peaceful. And they make decent neighbors now.
@continentalmilitaria Yes Germany was a sitting duck between Russia and the western allies, no wonder Germans of any faith fled if they could. Poorer folk and those without travel passes [ the majority] were trapped and had few choices - survival was all.
My Final solution would have been to listen to the opposers of Adolf and his henchmench and depose him in simialar style to Saddam in recent times. i.e. to understand that the German people themselves [ be they Jew, Christian or communnist] were the first victims of the Nazi regime.
@continentalmilitaria My solution to end Nazism ? In brief, we could have dealt with Hitler like we did Saddamm Hessein i.e. killed him and relieved the people from a dictator, rather than spread hatred against an entire nation and forever justify the carpet bombing of helpless civilians and the invasion of the Russians. Yet not many folk know that the Russians reopened con-camps for years after the 'peace' e.g. Buchenwald and incarcerated even more 'undersirables' Jews included?
@helenheather That is a very good point. But Hitler did have the power to stop the war. And he did not. He was OK of course - he never went near the front and was buried deep under Berlin in his bunker. The first time the front came near him, at Poltava, he scurried for his plane as fast as he could and the second time he took the cowards way out. The blame for the destruction of Germany lies squarely on this coward's shoulders.
@alanheath Agreed! Adolph had no love for the German folk in the end. Not sure he ever did , considering how he experimented on them first socially with certain 'clincs' for the disabled and infirm. How odd that somebody thinks I'm a bloke. True few women surf YT [ don't blame them] but it's not very amusing to be called a clone .
We Kicked ass in Dresden in 1945 after ALL key German citY centres were flattened. We believe the propaganda that London and our cities were treated the same, even although we know that London continued to function throughout WW2 whilst Dresden could not be entered safely for days due to recumbustion. Killing civilians of another country deliberately to avenge our civilian deaths is wrong. Whoever 'started it' the Nazi leaders didn't burn that night, tragic victims of their cruel regime did!
@helenheather It is not just British cities that were bombed or attacked by German forces in WW2. Look at what they did in Poland, Holland, Belgium, France and so on. The RAF did a fantastic job during the war, look at how many people were freed and had their lives saved on the European continent. The RAF is very popular here and we owe a big thanks to the members of the RAF and other allied service men and women that once and for all pacified a the German warlike nature. THANK YOU ALL!!!
In 1940 the Germans bombed my city of Rotterdam. After invading Poland 1939 the Germans came to Holland on behalf of their Blitzkrieg on Europe which just had started. To put pressure on us to surrender they said that they would bomb Rotterdam. After that threat the dutch government surrender but, and that is the official german reaction: "the plains were already in the air" they still bombed Rotterdam, after we surrendered. What happened in Dresden is terrible but do no ask: Why did it happen?
@alanheath Mister Alan Heath spreading his anti-human racist hate speech again. If anyone is reponsible for British warcrimes, its the British warcriminals, Mister Heath.
You insult the victims of the Dresden massacre, and you , being British, should know that your country and the USA burnt 1 Million children and women to ashes alive in cities like Dresden, Hamburg, Duren, Sweenemunde, Hiroshima and others.
You, Mister Heath, are racist and i ask you to stop insulting the graves of our dead.
@alanheath The RAF-murderers, and the RAF-murderrss alone, are responsible for what happened in Dresden.
200 000 murdered in one night, according to the International Red Cross 1945. I know that your country tries to drop an "0" to make believe it was "not so bad". But you British liars cannot prevent the truth , nobody in Dresden accepts the fraudulent British numbers that try to whitewash this genocidal, cowardly assault on 500 000 defenseless refugees, mainly women and children.
@alanheath "Excellent analysis. The Nazis, and Nazis alone, are responsible for what happened in Dresden."
Total bull.
The outline of "causing disorder" among the refugees was decided at Yalta.
The operation was planned at High Wycombe, the headquarters of the RAF.
The attack against Dresden actually served one purpose: to show the approaching Red Army and thereby to Stalin himself how good in killing civilians the west was.
@alanheath "Excellent analysis. The Nazis, and Nazis alone, are responsible for what happened in Dresden."
And by my posts I don't defend the Nazis. I just point out that the Allied at this point had lost all moral highground in the fight against them.
Professor Freeman Dyson, then serving the RAF Bomber Command as systemic analyst says that in the end only German night fighters which tried to defend housing areas, churches, hospitals, schools & c. had some of the morality left.
Beware Finnish Neo Nazi's like Pangloss
TheMrBlockTheHood 5 days ago
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"TheMrPangloss is a Finnish Neo Nazi..."
I am not a Nazi, Nazi Apologist or like.
You yell loud, trying to "recycle" information.
All "pleasant" belongs to the "heroic" text book story, thus according to you what is "unpleasant" should be "Nazi stuff".
Sorry, but PEOPLE ARE NOT STUPID, though YOU are. People won't accept anymore this simple dualism. They WANT TO THINK.
Go and hang yourself by your umbilical cord you WHINING BRITISH FASCIST.
TheMrPangloss 5 days ago
Dresden Thanks for the memory Hope we can do it again soon God Bless
OurBomberHarris 6 days ago
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@OurBomberHarris "Dresden Thanks for the memory Hope we can do it again soon God Bless"
Hey LORDGODOFMERCY!!!
Who's the true FASCIST? Comments like this reveal that it is YOU!!!
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
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OurBomberHarris: "Dresden Thanks for the memory Hope we can do it again soon God Bless"
hey LORDGODOFMERCY,
This is an eulogy for an atrocity. You have applied exactly the same principle as the Nazis did - kill the demonized nation with its children and culture while you elevate your own.
If this is not Fascism, nothing is.
TheMrPangloss 2 days ago
TheMrPangloss is a Finnish Neo Nazi He is a Tongue Twisting Toe Tapping Finnish War Crime Denying Greasy Cock Sucking Faggot He has an Anti British Complex and has a Drink problem which is not rare in Finland it's well known for its Drunks Finland and its Dirty History Pangloss perfect example
NaziBoyPangloss 6 days ago
The LORDS wisdom will prevail Nazi Freaks like Pangloss fall beside the wayside in his presence Pangloss HYPOCRITE who likes to Bugger a Boy
mutley0777 6 days ago
FlagPangloss for Spam He is a NEO NAZI Prick
mutley0777 6 days ago
TheMrPangloss Why did you call me Jewish vermin
mutley0777 6 days ago
The LORD is my Shepherd His Wisdom overrides all on YT
MissyPANGLOSS 6 days ago
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MissyPANGLOSS 6 days ago
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HEY LORDGODOFMERCY!!!
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TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
@TheMrPangloss Hypocrite!!
LordGodofMercy 6 days ago
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@LordGodofMercy "Hypocrite!! "
Your hypocrisy is cosmic. Everybody is hypocrite at least to some extent. However you, you are a professional in hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy is an easy art, for you don't need brains for it. And you can also be a hypocrite without any sense of humor. Actually the sense of humor is its antidote.
You are kind of person about whom the British humor makes fun.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
What was The Finnish SS All about Why did Hitler visit Finland and receive a heroes welcome Finland Nazi Loving Bastards
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@MissyPANGLOSS "What was The Finnish SS All about Why did Hitler visit Finland and receive a heroes welcome Finland Nazi Loving Bastards..."
He was not received by the president but by Marshall Mannerheim in is railroad car in a small countryside town.
Mannerheim took a large havanna cigar and smoked it in his presence, and he taped the discussion.
And in the footage Mannerheim hardly can conceal his irritated feelings towards Hitler.
A "hero's" reception indeed. LOL
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
Why did Finland hand over Thousands of Soviet Prisoners of War to the Germans to be MURDERED Why did Finnish state police hand over Jews to the Gestapo to be MURDERED
TheYellowbellyfins 6 days ago
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@TheYellowbellyfins "Why did Finland hand over Thousands of Soviet Prisoners of War to the Germans to be MURDERED Why did Finnish state police hand over Jews to the Gestapo to be MURDERED"
Why did the Polish pre-war government stipulate anti-Jew laws; why did Poland welcome its Jewry by pogroms already in 1919?
Why do you overlook Petain's govt. which submitted 75000 Jews to the Nazis?
Why do you overlook Finnish govt's bravery, refusing to oppress the Finnish Jewry?
ANSWER BASTARD!!!
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
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TheYellowbellyfins 6 days ago
@TheMrPangloss
You make comments that are totally without proof. You make claims based on manipulations and lies. All seeking to put the responsibilty of Nazi crimes onto Britain & the US. When the war crimes of Finland are pointed out to you. You blather and whine like the little Finlader blinded by his own Nationalist tears of hypocracy.
LordGodofMercy 6 days ago
@LordGodofMercy "You make comments that are totally without proof. "
My claims about Finland are generally known facts.
Insted you DID NOT ANSWER A SINGLE QUESTION OF MINE.
Why do you overlook the anti-Jew laws stipulated by the pre-ww2 Polish government?
Cannot answer?
Why do you deny that Petain's government in France submitted 75000 Jews to the Nazis? And this is a generally known fact.
Finland has apologized about those 8 Jews and even respected their memory which you snugly overlook.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
@LordGodofMercy "ou blather and whine like the little Finlader blinded by his own Nationalist tears of hypocracy."
It is you who whinges here for you get more ridiculous post by post.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
@LordGodofMercy "All seeking to put the responsibilty of Nazi crimes onto Britain & the US."
Well,
Why so many ex-Nazis get literally their old jobs back in West Germany?
Why the fraternizing of the Poles and French with the Nazis are overlooked?
And the biggest thing is the BIS Bank at Basel Switzerland which injected funds to the Nazis throughout the war.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
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@LordGodofMercy "When the war crimes of Finland are pointed out to you."
You poor bastard don't know Finnish nor Russian. You are not capable of going to the sources...
... while I deem you a moron with twisted motives with no appetite to talk on the topic with you. That is not denial but my sincere opinion that you are a moron, dumb as bread.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
TheMrPangloss NEO NAZI Shit Stain The GrimaWormTongue of YT The Greasy Finnish Arse Wipe
TheMrBlockTheHood 6 days ago
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@TheMrBlockTheHood "TheMrPangloss NEO NAZI Shit Stain The GrimaWormTongue of YT The Greasy Finnish Arse Wipe"
But LORDGODOFMERCY,
You were lazy. You logged in and out only twice.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
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"Germany started the war and cannot expect that nothing will happen to them in return."
The bombings had nothing to do with who started the war. It was the air war directive which determined the qualities of the air attacks. Also the politicians used here the military for their rather dirty political passions.
The Luftwaffe committed ONE CRIME.
The RAF/USAAC committed ANOTHER CRIME
There is no justification whatsoever what was done to Dresden.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss Wrong, Germany was given every chance possible to surrender and have the war over but they wanted to continue fighting. The German military is responsible for vast amounts of crimes against humanity and needed to be stopped ASAP. Why did they just not stop the war and saves somany lives including many of their own. The bombing was brutal but justifiable in the context of the war against a rogue tyrant nation.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "Wrong, Germany was given every chance possible to surrender..."
Total bull.
The anti-Nazi resistance was abandoned by Churchill and Roosevelt (read Wheeler-Bennett memo). Roosevelt described to his wife Eleanor his happiness after the failed Stauffenberg coup that he would not need to deal with a friendly anti-Nazi government.
The Morgenthau plan was also leaked to the press which would make Germany fight bitterly for surrender would not have promised anything better.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "The German military is responsible for vast amounts of crimes against humanity and needed to be stopped ASAP."
Indeed.
However, this does not explain the crimes the Allied "had to" commit. The roasting of women and children only made Germans to fight more fiercely fearing cruel treatment. Knowing Eisenhover, they were right.
The mass rapes instigated by Stalin and Ehrenburg, of not only German but Polish and any woman encountered did not serve anything either.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss In the context of WW2 in Europe yes. The Russians were no angels, agreed, they did a lot to many nations too. The killing of women an children by Germans care even less about what happened to the tyrants civilians, just end the war. But now tell me, Why did Germany start the war? Also What would have been your solution(s) to ending the war? Do not deviate from these question, answer them, do not deflect, and do not change the subject, give another comment or say anything else.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "Why did they just not stop the war and saves somany lives including many of their own."
You cannot be that simple.
Don't you realize? There was the SS and Gestapo which were armed to the teeth, ready to execute any traitor.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "The bombing was brutal but justifiable..."
That kind of bombing began in 1919 in Mesopotamia and India under British administration. It was continued in Japan by the USAAC. Did the Japanese attack any U.S. city? They attacked Pearl Harbor and the Philippines but 100% military targets.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss "That kind of bombing began in 1919 in Mesopotamia and India under British administration. It was continued in Japan by the USAAC "
Still posting your anti Allied, Nazi apologist fakery. Despite being proved by many to be deliberately falsifying facts to suit your own agenda. The German airforce invented terror bombing civilians in WW1.
LordGodofMercy 1 week ago
@LordGodofMercy "Still posting your anti Allied, Nazi apologist fakery."
All my statements can be proven by accepted literary sources.
I have also acknowledged that the Nazi government was evil. Thus my posts are not anything "Nazi Apologist"
"Despite being proved by many to be deliberately falsifying facts to suit your own agenda."
I have no "agenda". Only the truth matters.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@LordGodofMercy "Despite being proved by many to be deliberately falsifying facts to suit your own agenda."
Excuse me but you haven't proven anything.
The only thing you have done is "recitation".
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss So the Zeppelin & Gotha raids in 1917 on British cities didn't happen?
You claim to not to be an Anglophobe but you post the same false allegations over & over, Every time manipulating events to frame the British as the protoganists.
You have totally ignored all that have proved your posts to be lies and flawed to continue reposting your rhetoric
LordGodofMercy 1 week ago
@LordGodofMercy "So the Zeppelin & Gotha raids in 1917 on British cities didn't happen?"
So you justify the slaughter of 200 000 civilians in Dresden by Zeppelin raids?
I half-childish and half-brazen argument, I should say.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@LordGodofMercy "The German airforce invented terror bombing civilians in WW1."
No, it was the Italian theorist Giulio Douhet. The first pure terror bombings were carried out by Italy in Abessinia.
But the Mesopotamian bombings by the RAF had the same "Trenchardian" hallmark of terror bombing as what the RAF carried out later in ww2. White phosphorus was used already in 1919 and early 1920s. In 1944 Churchill tried to lobby through the use of mustard gas which would have killed millions more.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss "In 1944 Churchill tried to lobby through the use of mustard gas which would have killed millions more." Meaningless !! It didn't happen.
So we are agreed. The RAF did not invent terror bombing & Germany was the first to use insendiary & high explosives on unprotected civilains in WW1. So Mesoptamia is irrelevant & just your Anglophobic trickery
LordGodofMercy 1 week ago
@LordGodofMercy "Meaningless !! It didn't happen."
It is not meaningless at all. Google the "gas memo" and read it.
It is full of Churchill eloquent manopulations and lies. His true intention is to kill civilians by mustard gas en masse and yet he tries for example to persuade that the injuries caused by mustard gas are "totally curable".
He wanted to kill millions more civilians.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss So are privy to notes taken in meetings during WW2. Due to the freedom of information act. Perfect for Anti Allied, Anglophobes like you to take out of context and use to suite your agenda. Shame Finland does not make public the discussions Mannerheim had with Nevalinna when outherising the Finnish SS.
LordGodofMercy 6 days ago
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@LordGodofMercy "Anglophobes like you to take out of context and use to suite your agenda."
Actually it is rather you who has "agenda". You are censoring here all views which don't suit you.
You also manipulate using your countless accounts which posters and posts should be marked as spam and which thumbed up.
You don't care about the victims, LORDGODOFMERCY. If you really cared the victims of the Holocaust you would also understand that what was done to Dresden was a crime.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
@LordGodofMercy "Shame Finland does not make public the discussions Mannerheim had with Nevalinna when outherising the Finnish SS."
Shame that Poland doesn't discuss publicly about their own concentration camps where people died in hundreds and thousands, or the Polish SS. Shame that France doesn't admit its own not modest share in the Holocaust. Shame that Britain had its own SS.
You would make a good SS yourself, LordGodOfMercy. You are ultra patriotic, with low IQ and genuinely hostile.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
@TheMrPangloss Your crap British SS claim again. 12 British POW's were persuaded to dress in SS uniforms for a propaganda shot. They were promised extra rations if they did. The one ex black shirt among them was hung after the war for treason. The Finnish SS were commemorated by the Finnish government in the 1990’s with a memorial to their memory. Much to the disgust of the Jewish institute based in Paris. Nice try Grossliar!!!
LordGodofMercy 6 days ago
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TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
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@LordGodofMercy @LordGodofMercy "Much to the disgust of the Jewish institute based in Paris. Nice try Grossliar!!! "
And nice try always to undemine the bravery of the Finnish government when it saved 500 Jewish refugees from Gestapo against those 8 which it could not save.
Saving 500 Jews is bravery.
Then also protecting ALL JEWISH FINNISH CITIZENS with no oppression whatsover but ALWAYS WITH FULL CIVIL RIGHTS.
Why are you denying the Polish Anti-Jew laws already before war?
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
@LordGodofMercy
Why are you denying that the British govermment hampered the escape of Jews to Palestine by closing harbors from their ships?
Why are you denying the not modest share of the French government to the Holocaust?
And why are you denying that the Allied administration recruited ex-Nazis in West Germany after war? They led good lives while Eisenhover starved common soldiers to death in his death camps. You deny that too.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
@LordGodofMercy Why do you deny so many things?
Why do you deny the fact that the Nazism actually mattered very little to the Allied?
Why do you deny that many ex-Nazis who would have deserved the gallows were recruited by the Allied?
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
@LordGodofMercy "The Finnish SS were commemorated by the Finnish government in the 1990’s with a memorial to their memory. Much to the disgust of the Jewish institute based in Paris. Nice try Grossliar!!! "
I don't know about this. You tell the reason. Perhaps Martti Ahtisaari, the man to whom a Nobel Prize of Peace was awarded was a "Nazi". LOL
You tell me because you are so smart.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
@LordGodofMercy "Much to the disgust of the Jewish institute based in Paris. Nice try Grossliar!!! "
And as to those 8 Jewish refugees whom the Finnish government could not save, a memorial was held, conducted by Mannerheim in the Helsinki Synagogue.
Later Prime Minister Paavo Lipponen apologized the government of Israel.
And yet, the govt of Finland SAVED 500 JEWISH REFUGEES.
Your RAF bombed hidden Jews along with Jewish slave labourers. They burned like human torches like the others.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
@LordGodofMercy "hame Finland does not make public the discussions Mannerheim had with Nevalinna when outherising the Finnish SS."
Shame that Poland doesn't discuss openly about its anti-Jew laws which were stipulated as soon as the country regained its independence after 1919. The Antisemitic zeal existed in Poland long long before similar measures to oppres Jews were taken up in Germany.
Shame that England doesn't discuss its famines in India.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
@LordGodofMercy "Finnish SS."
The BRITISH SS. Awww... GOOD GOD! SHAME ON THAT!
Think about that, my Little LORD!!! BRITISH SS!!!!!
Say it 1000 times: "BRITISH SS"
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
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@LordGodofMercy "Anglophobes like you to take out of context and use to suite your agenda."
NOW, Mr. Pitiable Jekyll with 100 "Mr.Hydes" for censorship.
Now, thumb up your own posts and your clones' posts by your clones, then mark my posts as spam. Then pretend that you don't have clones.
People have good idea what you do here on Youtube - manipulate, LIE, and promote hate. And when I explain it to them, they understand even better.
And I am ANTI-NAZI as always.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
@LordGodofMercy Hey thickhead POM!!!
Say "BRITISH SS"
SAY "BRITISH SS" 1000 times,
SAY "OSWALD MOSLEY" 1000 times.
Then say these 1000 times as fast as you can.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
"SAY "OSWALD MOSLEY" 1000 times."
Mosley and his hardcore Blackshirts were thrown in Jail. The Finns put up a Division of SS Volunteers as a good will gesture to Hitler. All under Mannerheim’s approval,
These willing fascists helped spread the net for Hitler's death cult. And the Finns put up a memorial for them.
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LordGodofMercy 6 days ago
@LordGodofMercy "Mosley and his hardcore Blackshirts were thrown in Jail."
And yet there were Britons behind him. Do you feel tempted LordGod? Or would you like to be a Mosley yourself.
I hope that your "charisma" suffices. Good luck.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
@LordGodofMercy "Perfect for Anti Allied, Anglophobes like you ..."
So what are you gonna do? You would love to restrict freedom like Hitler did or like George W. Bush did.
If you cannot do anything else, you can use again your clone army.
You can discredit my posts by marking them as spam and give lots of nice green thumbs up to yours...
log in, log out, log in, log out, log in, log out...
It is hard job. I don't envy you, LordGod.
TheMrPangloss 6 days ago
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@LordGodofMercy "So we are agreed. The RAF did not invent terror bombing & Germany was the first to use insendiary & high explosives on unprotected civilains in WW1."
The "Trenchardian" air war doctrine was applied in Mesopotamia and Indian by the RAF. And that was what the type of carpet bombing where a carpet of incendiaries were sown with explosives on a human habitat.
It was a BRITISH invention.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
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@continentalmilitaria "The bombing was brutal but justifiable in the context of the war against a rogue tyrant nation."
The fact that the enemy country has a cruel and evil government doesn't justify the deliberate roasting of civilians.
The Allied claimed to be liberators and fight for civilized values. But their bloodthirst don't support this view. The more I learn about the Allied the more disappointed I am.
It was supposed to be against the Nazis, but it was instead against the people.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss So tell me if you are so smart, WHY DID GERMANY WANT AND START A WAR????? Their memory of Dresden serves as a deterrent so they do not EVER start another war. That deterrent has been working for almost 70 years and still working. This has been the longest stretch of time the German nation has gone without waging war.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "WHY DID GERMANY WANT AND START A WAR?????"
For Danzig.
But you forgot something there wre TWO COUNTRIES...
Germany and ...
Yes Germany started the war but not alone. Which country was the co-conspirator.
There were TWO COUNTRIES which started the war. And the other country was also an aggressor.
Why was this other country good enough for Britain to become an Ally. It even took a larger piece of the cake and kept it.
Just a fact. I don't intend to defend the Nazis.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss Wow for Danzig, so explain the rest of Poland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium. They lost Danzig and other properties as a result of WW1. Stop changing the subject or are you finally unable to defend your BULLSHIT!!!!
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@continentalmilitaria "Wow for Danzig, so explain the rest of Poland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium."
You know it already yourself.
Poland as well was a dictatorship which harassed its minorities. It was a country with anti-Jew laws, and it oppressed its native Germans and White Russians.
The military Poland, so as to say, had an evil government as well.
The evil governments of Poland and Germany were instigated against each other by Britain.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium..."
As much as I want to point out that Hitler and the Nazi government were barbaric, for its merit I should point out A FACT, that it HAD NO PLANS TO ATTACK WESTWARDS.
The indisputably aggressive attack towards the west occurred ONLY AFTER THE WAR DECLARATION BY BRITAIN AND FRANCE.
And the reason for this war declaration was not Poland, BUT THE NIGHTMARISH ALLIANCE BETWEEN THE NAZI GERMANY AND THE SOVIET.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss This does not explain the invasion of half of Czechoslovakia and the forcing Slovakia to declare independence under the threat that Germany will allow Hungary to invade into Slovakia. All this took place before the attack on Poland. Czechoslavakia was no threat to Germany and they forced themselves on a peaceful democracy.
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@continentalmilitaria "This does not explain the invasion of half of Czechoslovakia and the forcing Slovakia to declare independence under the threat that Germany will allow Hungary to invade into Slovakia."
But can you explain the Munich Pact 1938 then?
Chamberlain signed it and after that it was legal.
Indeed an evil deed from Britain. Hitler should have been stopped at that point but Britain did not want to.
The Allied secretly wanted a war.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
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@continentalmilitaria "This does not explain the invasion of half of Czechoslovakia and the forcing Slovakia to declare independence ..."
It was evil enough that Hitler burned the Reichstag and deprived the Germans the civil rights. He was allowed to build an army and the Versailles treaty conditions were overlooked.
And it was evil enough that Hitler made Germany a police state oppressing people.
The anti-Nazis were abandoned.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
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@continentalmilitaria "Their memory of Dresden serves as a deterrent so they do not EVER start another war. "
How many wars the U.S. started after ww2. Why did Britain starve 350 000 Kikuyus in Kenya in the early 1950s, after the NUREMBERG PRINCIPLES?
Why were the Vietnamese "made reap the whirlwind"? What did they "sow"?
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
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@continentalmilitaria "That deterrent has been working for almost 70 years and still working."
I don't doubt that the Nazi Germany was militaristic. But the core of the Nazi cartels of military industry were the Anglo-German companies I.G. Farben and A.E.G. (/general Electric).
But the Imperial Germany was not militaristic. Emperor William had not waged a single war before 1914.
Them from the Napoleonic wars to 1914:
Britain 10 wars
Russia 9
France 7
Austria and Prussia/Germany 3 each.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
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@continentalmilitaria "That deterrent has been working for almost 70 years and still working."
No it has not worked...
THE U.S.A. with its ally U.K. has started many conflicts and wars.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss Once more stop deflecting (if you know what it signifies) and answer my previous two questions properly. Or admit you cannot defend your point when you are pushed for an explanation and DO NOT have a viable answer. I will not justify any of your rants by answering them unless you give solid answers.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
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@continentalmilitaria "your rants"
"Once more stop deflecting (if you know what it signifies) and answer my previous two questions properly."
I have my own style. If you have problems with it, it is not my fault. Live with it or digress,
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "I will not justify any of your rants by answering them unless you give solid answers."
I do it im my own way, you do what you wish. I don't expect anything from you.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss You have not been able to properly defend your points but have been dogging. Any mediated debate would have had me win this one. All that aside now. I am not mad at you since used to think the same way until my late 20's. I see you are interested in history and try to figure things out for yourself instead of just believing what everybody says, that is GREAT. What happened to the people in Dresden was terrible but Germany had to be defeated.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "You have not been able to properly defend your points.."
Which points? Can you specify? I just have your word which is not enough.
"Any mediated debate would have had me win this one."
You cannot "win" facts.
"What happened to the people in Dresden was terrible but Germany had to be defeated."
There are so many things not even asked...
At that point Germany indeed had to be defeated. But why to let things develop up to that point? It could have been all avoided.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss How to avoid it was my second question but you have not answered the first yet. Germany had NO RIGHT to invade a non-threatening sovereign countries territory or impose their will on the people let alone kill many of them. The moment they commit such an act they forgo their right to not have the attacked country defend itself of be defended up to and including death of the attacker. This is what many courts deem justifiable defense.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "Germany had NO RIGHT to invade a non-threatening sovereign countries territory or impose their will ..."
I agree...
Nor had the Soviet but it did nevertheless. And what was preposterous was that THE SOVIET KEPT THE BALTIC COUNTRIES AFTER THE WAR.
The Baltic countries were peaceful countries.
As to Poland, the sad fact is that they as well had dictatorial and racist, even expansive government.
On the Tczechs I agree.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss Now we are getting somewhere. We appear to agree on all the point you mentioned in this last reply. Not every country was all that innocent, that goes more than double for the Soviet gov. Most people in most countries are just innocent people including including those in Germany and the Soviet Union. But how do you free the innocent people that were invaded by a foreign army? The innocent people that happen to be citizens of the invading country are then in turn threatened.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss So if the invading army is to be forced out many innocent people that just happen to be from the invading country will be hurt. Yes that sucks.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "So if the invading army is to be forced out many innocent people that just happen to be from the invading country will be hurt."
Particularly when these civilians are deliberately killed.
They don't just die just like that, they are killed.
Why are they killed?
We have never been told, and we won't. But I am sure that it is always a very high order like in the case of Dresden and Hiroshima.
They were killed for POWER and MONEY.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss Again you are getting off rack and it is becoming annoying with it. ANSWER QUESTION #2 HOW WOULD YOU STOP THE WAR? then defend this... Why were German troops firing at my wife's grandmother when she was crossing a small bridge over a stream when they could clearly see that she was just barely a teenage girl a the time? Why did they kill many people in my town just because they were Jewish? When they caught the local chief what were the human ears doing in a bag in his office?
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
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@continentalmilitaria "Again you are getting off rack and it is becoming annoying with it. ANSWER QUESTION #2 HOW WOULD YOU STOP THE WAR?"
Well, it is not easy to stop a war which is:
(1) calculated to be a good business to an oligarchy;
(2) instigated by poisoning ordinary people's minds with hate;
(3) funded to the extent that each party has enough arms to destroy each other many times.
In Germany there were assassination attempts against Hitler. Maybe that would have worked. Dunno.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "Why did they kill many people in my town just because they were Jewish? "
One important part of instigating people for war is poisoning their minds with hate.
The Germans experience very difficult times at the end of the ww1 and after it. During the Berlin blockade 750 000 people were starved to death. People continued starving to death in the Ruhr occupation 1923 with hundreds of thousands dead. The NSDAP which promoted hate, as we know, had mighty western supporters.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss Yes and the poor old Jewish lady that lived near the town square had to be killed, you support that. But it is a crime to kill German civilians, that is punishable by death from your bullshit. Thanks for proving your complete divorce from reality and common reason. Will waste no more with a flake like you.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "But it is a crime to kill German civilians, that is punishable by death from your bullshit."
Actually you speak here bullshit.
It is equally criminal to oppress any ethnicity. In other words, it is punishable to harbor racist attitudes towards Jews, Germans or any ethnicity.
As to the real culprits, they are INDIVIDUALS, MOVEMENTS, CORPORATIONS & c, and THEY ARE NOT ETHNICITIES.
JEWS ARE NOT COLLECTIVELY GUILTY, NOR ARE GERMANS.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "But it is a crime to kill German civilians..."
Yes it was a crime to kill German civilians - like ANY civilians.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss Yes a mob did beat him and drag him in the woods to be killed. It was them or us pure and simple.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
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@continentalmilitaria "Yes a mob did beat him and drag him in the woods to be killed. It was them or us pure and simple."
No, it was a war for money.
The few went laughing to the bank while the rest of the world bled injured and wounded.
You would make good gun fodder yourself. They will thank you and let you get killed.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
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@continentalmilitaria "The moment they commit such an act they forgo their right to not have the attacked country defend itself of be defended up to and including death of the attacker."
Were the Dresden refugees "attackers". The city was ready to surrender with huge red crosses painted on the roofs.
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@continentalmilitaria This is what many courts deem justifiable defense. "
This is rhetorics.
Calling strategic bombing "defence " is preposterous. You call "defence" an attack against hospitals, schools and homes...
That is butchery, slaughter, massacre of UNARMED people.
That is SELF FLATTERY and SELF DECEPTION.
What kind of "defence" was the sowing of agent orange on the Vietnamese and Cambodians? Eh?
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss When you are fighting for your life or the life of a friend relative or innocent person the well being of the attacker is secondary until the attacker is subdued. Maybe you are the type of person that would cry for a mugger being hurt when a victim defends themselves or is saved by another person putting their safety at risk to save someone else. This ends it until you can answer the two questions. Goodbye.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "Maybe you are the type of person that would cry for a mugger being hurt when a victim defends themselves or is saved by another person..."
Dresden, "city of muggers". I will remember this, hilarious.
Vietnam, the nation of "muggers".
This is perhaps the best Dresden apology I have seen.
So this "nails it", perfectly "justifies" the massacre of civilians in Dresden and elsewhere.
The whole method of attack was scientifically developed to cause a maximal death toll.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "Dresden was terrible but Germany had to be defeated."
Dresden was not bombed to defeat Germany for it was already defeated. The Red Army was nearing only ca. 50 km away from Dresden and could see its glow night time.
The bombing of Dresden was a SHOW OFF to Stalin.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss The Russians forced the hand of the allies. The Russians were taking toomany casualties and taking the brunt of the war. The Allies ad to do "something". The target was chosen because it was in the east, had narrow roads and very flammable buildings.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "The Russians forced the hand of the allies. The Russians were taking toomany casualties and taking the brunt of the war."
The Russians were meant to suffer.
First Hitler was armed up by the west. Then he was instigated to attack, suicidally, Russia.
Why?
To drain Russian blood.
Thereafter the west would arm up Russia to fight back - at its own cost.
The idea was to destroy Germany making Russia pay the largest price.
WW2 was for the destruction of the continent.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria
And seeing this the purpose was to separate Germany and Russia politically.
For the Imperial Germany and Tczaric Russia threatened to form a rivaling economical and geopolitica block to the Anglo Saxons.
The British Empire would not tolerate this. So the ww2 destruction and geopolitical division were the dream come true to the Anglo-U.S. establishment.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "The Allies ad to do "something".
This "something" was a show off of the western war industry to Stalin what would await Russia too if he wasn't collaborative and keep the western plutokrats happy.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss That is war. Germany as the instigator cannot be give the position of "VICTIM". Yo are trying to make them out to be the victim they are not!!!! To save your life kicking below the belt is allowed. Stop quoting conventions, Germany violated just about every if not every thing they sighed. They drew he first blood so they cannot hide behind agreements they violated first. You cannot have it both ways.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "hat is war. Germany as the instigator cannot be give the position of "VICTIM".
Well, surely the Nazis and their supporters were not victims. It is impossible to see those maniacs with their ridiculous ideology as victims.
But ANY German citizen who was not happy with the Nazi government, whether he was actively against it or suffered silently, DEFINITELY WAS A VICTIM.
Thus it depends if we see German individuals as victims or not.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@TheMrPangloss How about if I give you a lack eye and then you slit my lip? The will call you a criminal attacker and tell the whole world what a violent person you are. That is he type of stupidity you are defending. Stupid is what stupid does and I do not suffer fools gladly.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "That is he type of stupidity you are defending."
I can't follow your gibberish on simple violence.
The ww1 and ww2 form an entity.
The purpose of this was simply to:
(1) Destroy all big powers in the continent expect the unconquerable Russia
(2) Destroy the economical dominance of Germany and make Russia a captive market area - a technological colony and banana state
(3) divide Europe so it would not threaten the Anglo-U.S. oligarchy
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "The target was chosen because it was in the east, had narrow roads and very flammable buildings."
"Burnable" with high density of inhabitants. This is enough for a confession of a war crime. It already violates the international agreements on martial laws and also the Hague 1907 (ratified by Britain). Even though Britain only "unanimously accepted" the League of Nations convention 1938, its violation would not allow the wholesale disrespect of civilian life.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "What happened to the people in Dresden was terrible but Germany had to be defeated."
What happened to the people of Dresden is not excusable. It was an evil raid, a crime. And it was not the only evil raid against civilians.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
@continentalmilitaria "This has been the longest stretch of time the German nation has gone without waging war."
The Nazi government is an exception in German history.
Otherwise Germany is, INDISPUTABLY, one of the most peaceful countries in Europe. It has rather been a battlefield itself than a war-waging power.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
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TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
Helenheather is a not a female -he is a male clone who for years spends hours on this and many, many other sites spewing out his ignorance Dresden was no more horrendous than the bombing of many other beautiful cities in Europe. There was no German complaint about Dresden until Walter Ulbricht, a former DDR communist president who tried to win the support of East Germans by blackign the name of the allies His propaganda, like that of Goebbles lives on in the minds of many fools.
eddie123e 6 months ago
@eddie123e I think Goebbels gave it a go too - forgetting who started the whole thing with an unprovoked attack on the Polish town of Wieluń in the early hours of 1 September 1939. I suspect the 'clone' also has forgotten this.
alanheath 6 months ago
@alanheath In fact the Luftwaffe practiced city bombing when they attacked Guernica in 1937.. Many of the unfortunate Spaniards they killed there did not even know where Germany was. The Germans also practiced their genocide strategies when they tried to eliminate the Herroro and Nama peoples in SW Aftfica during their failed attempt to build a German empire in Africa. When we attacked Dresden V2 rockets were still falling indiscriminately on London.
eddie123e 6 months ago
@eddie123e sorry to disappoint but I am one of the very few feamles surfing YT. How sad that you come up with such a response. Your views on Germany are those held by many in GB who have listened to the tales from the older generation and the mainstream media. " I suggest you try reading stuff aftyer 1995, starting with 'Defying Hitler' by Sebastian Haffner and 'On the Natural History of Destruction ' by W.G. Sebald.
helenheather 4 months ago
@eddie123e And another thing- I am I and I alone. My typing is crap at times, BUT my grammar shows my Brit creds compared to MrP et al [ no offence chaps] Wish I'd made up a cute name, but didn't know folk on these sites made things up. If you read my posts, they are consistently anti-no country or its people. This is not sad, but to be prejudiced against anyone due to race, religion, nation or indeed political history is sad indeed- that's what I'm trying to get across!
helenheather 4 months ago
I also repeat, if Hitler had the vast majority of support as you claim, he would not have needed a secret police service, the dreaded Gestapo to keep the simple masses in line. We just lack the imagination or the will perhaps in GB to think about how such dictaorship's deny the human rights of its people. Rights we too easily take for granted, I fear. Under such regimes, the finest scruples are tested and left wanting.
helenheather 8 months ago
@continentalmilitaria I always have thought it a war crime [ I'm not alone either] that is once I found out about it. Not at school of course, oh no, funny really, for it was SUCH a success! Yet no big victory stories about it and we do so regularly like to mention our glory in WW2 on these sceptred British Isles. Wonder why we don't if it was NOT a war crime?
helenheather 8 months ago
@helenheather Bombing a mostly civilian target is not popular and difficult to justify. The German will to fight and make war had to be broken. It was a dirty job but something like that had to be done. When I talked to one German he complained about the bombing of Dresden and the savagery of Russian soldiers on German civilians. I then asked him if Germany would ever start another war? He said no. So I told him that is the reason why those things were done.
continentalmilitaria 8 months ago
@helenheather Hey Heather you could not win any argument with me so you have to go and be a pain to eddie123e.
continentalmilitaria 1 week ago
'All that Germany needed to do is laydown their weapons and stop, then it all would have been over.' this statement shows a total disregard for the fact that the german people [German Jews et al] were the first victims of a cruel dictatorship which refused to surrender. I certainly would not have been brave enough to stand up to the Gestapo. Unless one is a saint or true hero, most of us would be like George Orwell's character in room 101 and scream our betrayal ' Do it to Julia , not me!'
helenheather 8 months ago 4
@helenheather Look at what the Italians did. The soldiers on the front line just ran to the allies. Look how long the communist governments in Eastern Europe stayed in power after the USSR stopped supporting them. The German believed the bull Hitler was saying and they had a will inside them to fight to the end, just talk to veterans or listed to their recorded memoirs. What would your solution be to end Nazism?
continentalmilitaria 8 months ago
@contmilitaria So the Italians swapped sides- damn safer to switch to the other side wasn't it? The Gemans couldn't safely oppose Hitler by then. So, unless you are saying that the Germans are unlike the rest of the planet [not very PC ] THINK; a leader that promises to re-instate people in Prussia and Sudentland and bring about economic recovery sounds o.k. but once he turns against his Russian allies and GB and USA declare war too, he could only lead a country to destructruction.
helenheather 8 months ago
@continentalmilitaria Don't be daft, they didn't all believe the Bull; anymore than we all believe politicians today , or do you have psychic powers of understanding over a whole nation from 65 years ago? Another tiny but relevant fact is that if you opposed the Reich , soldiers were shot and us little folk had a knock on the door from those smiley brown shirts.HHmm, quite an incentive to keep your head dwon I think!!
helenheather 8 months ago
@helenheather Stop with the "all police" argument. Not all but MOST went along with it. Yes the Germans at that time were different from others and were not PC. If you lived next to them and not had the channel to protect you you might have known it as well. They truly believed in the BS they were fed. They were always militaristic bordering on spartanism. Conquering was in their genetic makeup. That had to be stopped and the job was not going to be pretty.
continentalmilitaria 8 months ago
After you have read and studied about it as much as I did you will know as well. As for Saddam it did require a foreign force to come in and help out. The Iraqi army did not fight much at all and preferred to surrender just like the Italians. The German mostly fought to the bitter end, that was the problem. Get more facts together and maybe you can participate in an intelligent debate at a much later time.
continentalmilitaria 8 months ago
@continentalmilitaria I suggest that you also read more widely. Works from 1995 onwards, which are less prone to 'winners viewpoint' . I can suggest several works, but recommend you start with 'Defying Hitler' by Sebastian Haffner as well as applying some plain logic to blanket statements about a whole nation of people!
helenheather 8 months ago
@helenheather Books from Neo- nazis do not interest me. Maybe you should come and visit Lidice and see what they did there. The modern German government has apologized for it. The modern German government even went as far as being the premier nation in Europe to push for action to help the Bosnians that were being murdered. To solve the problem NATO bomber Serbia and it worked as before.
continentalmilitaria 8 months ago
@helenheather The other major thing was that the Russian were on the case of the western allies blaming them for leaving the fighting and dying up top the Russians. The western allies had to make a move in the east part of Germany to help remove the strain on the Russians. (that is a historic fact) BESIDES the Germans were mot sorry for the war they were only sorry they lost. That is a sentiment that still persists with some Germans to this day.
continentalmilitaria 8 months ago
@continentalmilitaria 'the Gemans were not sorry for the war'' I do not believe that you can possibly have an insight into the hearts and minds of a whole nation, a people who had already suffered under a previous war which they did not start , but were punished for severely. Such myths are fed in GB and I can see from your posts how terribly they still flourish. It is your sad right to hold onto your hatred and living in a democracy you won't be carted off for racist attitudes!
helenheather 8 months ago
@helenheather Listen my family lived under their occupation. My great uncle was sent to a concentration camp for the crime of helping a family with food etc. that had the husband taken to a concentration camp. Much of my family lived during that time and they can say what the Germans were like. The same goes for the Polish people I know. I do not understand why you would defend them UNLESS you have sympathies for their cause. Like many others on youtube.
continentalmilitaria 8 months ago
@contmilitariThe Wehrmacht was mostly concerned with the army, which my RAF father-in-law actually respected when he served in Africa. He thought the german soldiers were 'fine specimens' . Hitler's brown shirts and Gestapo terrorised the nation and created the horrors of the camps, in which millions of non- jewish germans perished too, but sadly they are never mourned in England or USA. Nor is it commonly known that the Russians re-opened camps in E. Germany for 5 long years after the 'peace'.
helenheather 8 months ago
@contmilitaria You keep your hate alive, it is your sad right . My mother lived throught the Blitz too, but she never learned to hate Geman people. In fact after the peace the German POW boys weren’t allowed back for YEARS as reparations and she took some in as lodgers and guess what ? She found them to be just like any young lads far from home and very handy around the house. Even my uncle got on with them and he'd bombed their homes!
helenheather 8 months ago
@helenheather I do not keep the hate alive for the modern Germans they are OK. Read what I wrote. The Russians is another discussion. You are using a typical tactic of pointing at someone else when you are loosing ground. As I wrote below the Germans treated the British differently since they wanted them as allies against Russia. The war the Germans fought in the east was a war of no quarter given. They wanted the land and to make the people work for them.
continentalmilitaria 8 months ago
The blitz was nothing compared to what they did in the east. They murdered out entire towns. They treated and waged war on people according to their race as Slavs we were farther down the ladder than the British so we got it much worse. The Russian soldier who had his parents killed and his sister raped did go on a rampage. Fittingly for the WW2 Germans they were beaten and defeated by Russians, those they believed to be so inferior to them.
continentalmilitaria 8 months ago
If they invaded your country, sent your relatives to concentration camps, cut your fathers head off like what happened to my former landlord, have them shoot at a teenage girl crossing a bridge over a stream (my wife's grandmother), confiscate a a large portion of your yearly harvest (my grand parents). The only reason my mother is not deaf in both ears is because the US arrived and had medicines. So plug your head out of your own hole and see it from the perspective we had to go through.
continentalmilitaria 8 months ago
Look those boys were taken away from their officers. When they were ordered to kill they did it. As I said before once they were totally defeated and !!!!! under the care of a decent nation like the UK they could be rehabilitated
continentalmilitaria 8 months ago
@helenheather Racist attitude? We were Slaves and sub human to them. They only wanted our land factories and all else and just have us work for them. That was the Germans of WW2. They waged MUCH different war on the east front than they did against the British Now they are different, I accept those that do not agree with what happened in WW2 . The modern German government is doing what it can to correct the wrongs that their nation have done in the past.
continentalmilitaria 8 months ago
@helenheather The modern Germans are extending a hand of friendship to nations they did bad things to in the past. But that is the result that they had to be decisively defeated. And had to have the western allies create a democracy in Germany that worked. The Militaristic part of German nature has been crushed. They are still hardworking, industrious and now peaceful. And they make decent neighbors now.
continentalmilitaria 8 months ago
@continentalmilitaria Yes Germany was a sitting duck between Russia and the western allies, no wonder Germans of any faith fled if they could. Poorer folk and those without travel passes [ the majority] were trapped and had few choices - survival was all.
helenheather 8 months ago
My Final solution would have been to listen to the opposers of Adolf and his henchmench and depose him in simialar style to Saddam in recent times. i.e. to understand that the German people themselves [ be they Jew, Christian or communnist] were the first victims of the Nazi regime.
helenheather 8 months ago
@continentalmilitaria My solution to end Nazism ? In brief, we could have dealt with Hitler like we did Saddamm Hessein i.e. killed him and relieved the people from a dictator, rather than spread hatred against an entire nation and forever justify the carpet bombing of helpless civilians and the invasion of the Russians. Yet not many folk know that the Russians reopened con-camps for years after the 'peace' e.g. Buchenwald and incarcerated even more 'undersirables' Jews included?
helenheather 8 months ago
Such prejudices as are on this site feed hatred and extremism- fit right in with Nazi ideals , hail GB!
helenheather 7 months ago
@helenheather That is a very good point. But Hitler did have the power to stop the war. And he did not. He was OK of course - he never went near the front and was buried deep under Berlin in his bunker. The first time the front came near him, at Poltava, he scurried for his plane as fast as he could and the second time he took the cowards way out. The blame for the destruction of Germany lies squarely on this coward's shoulders.
alanheath 7 months ago
@alanheath Agreed! Adolph had no love for the German folk in the end. Not sure he ever did , considering how he experimented on them first socially with certain 'clincs' for the disabled and infirm. How odd that somebody thinks I'm a bloke. True few women surf YT [ don't blame them] but it's not very amusing to be called a clone .
helenheather 4 months ago
What is Zyklon B ? Who used this product during World War 2 ? What did they use it for ?
God bless Sir Arthur Harris and Bomber Command
TheYellowbellyfins 9 months ago
We Kicked ass in Dresden in 1945 after ALL key German citY centres were flattened. We believe the propaganda that London and our cities were treated the same, even although we know that London continued to function throughout WW2 whilst Dresden could not be entered safely for days due to recumbustion. Killing civilians of another country deliberately to avenge our civilian deaths is wrong. Whoever 'started it' the Nazi leaders didn't burn that night, tragic victims of their cruel regime did!
helenheather 10 months ago
@helenheather It is not just British cities that were bombed or attacked by German forces in WW2. Look at what they did in Poland, Holland, Belgium, France and so on. The RAF did a fantastic job during the war, look at how many people were freed and had their lives saved on the European continent. The RAF is very popular here and we owe a big thanks to the members of the RAF and other allied service men and women that once and for all pacified a the German warlike nature. THANK YOU ALL!!!
continentalmilitaria 8 months ago
In 1940 the Germans bombed my city of Rotterdam. After invading Poland 1939 the Germans came to Holland on behalf of their Blitzkrieg on Europe which just had started. To put pressure on us to surrender they said that they would bomb Rotterdam. After that threat the dutch government surrender but, and that is the official german reaction: "the plains were already in the air" they still bombed Rotterdam, after we surrendered. What happened in Dresden is terrible but do no ask: Why did it happen?
gre68 1 year ago
@gre68 Excellent analysis. The Nazis, and Nazis alone, are responsible for what happened in Dresden.
alanheath 1 year ago
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@alanheath Mister Alan Heath spreading his anti-human racist hate speech again. If anyone is reponsible for British warcrimes, its the British warcriminals, Mister Heath.
You insult the victims of the Dresden massacre, and you , being British, should know that your country and the USA burnt 1 Million children and women to ashes alive in cities like Dresden, Hamburg, Duren, Sweenemunde, Hiroshima and others.
You, Mister Heath, are racist and i ask you to stop insulting the graves of our dead.
LovelyElbe11 8 months ago
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@alanheath The RAF-murderers, and the RAF-murderrss alone, are responsible for what happened in Dresden.
200 000 murdered in one night, according to the International Red Cross 1945. I know that your country tries to drop an "0" to make believe it was "not so bad". But you British liars cannot prevent the truth , nobody in Dresden accepts the fraudulent British numbers that try to whitewash this genocidal, cowardly assault on 500 000 defenseless refugees, mainly women and children.
LovelyElbe11 8 months ago
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@alanheath "Excellent analysis. The Nazis, and Nazis alone, are responsible for what happened in Dresden."
Total bull.
The outline of "causing disorder" among the refugees was decided at Yalta.
The operation was planned at High Wycombe, the headquarters of the RAF.
The attack against Dresden actually served one purpose: to show the approaching Red Army and thereby to Stalin himself how good in killing civilians the west was.
Thus, like Hiroshima, it was a war crime.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
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@alanheath "Excellent analysis. The Nazis, and Nazis alone, are responsible for what happened in Dresden."
And by my posts I don't defend the Nazis. I just point out that the Allied at this point had lost all moral highground in the fight against them.
Professor Freeman Dyson, then serving the RAF Bomber Command as systemic analyst says that in the end only German night fighters which tried to defend housing areas, churches, hospitals, schools & c. had some of the morality left.
TheMrPangloss 1 week ago
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@gre68 It happened because the British Empire had plans to destroy Germany, and these plans date back very much longer than just WW I.
LovelyElbe11 8 months ago
A small point on the molecular level. Didn't they succomb to carbon monoxide, rather than carbon dioxide?:)
longlat39 1 year ago 2
@longlat39 I think you are right - I will add a note on the film - thanks for pointing this out.
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath It's my mission in life to nitpick insignificant details down to the molecular level.
longlat39 1 year ago