@iluppoolp ITALIA en la 2GM dio "LASTIMA", entendes "LASTIMA", el payaso de "MUSSOLINI" entro en guerra cuando FRANCIA estaba vencida y creyo que con 10000 muertos se sentaba en la conferencia de paz, pobre imbecil, seguro como vos, sino fuera por "ROMMEL" y el "AFRIKAKORPS" los italianos no duraban ni 1 año en la 2GM. entendes, mejor no entrar a una guerra que dar pena como lo hizo "ITALIA", "TANO" repeti conmigo "PIZZA" "PASTA" "OPERA" y a tocar la "MANDOLINA" entendiste payaso de circo
Rommel casi consigue un milagro, pero la diferencia de hombres y suministros al final fue demasiada. Si caia suez, todo el material de las colonias inglesas hubieran tenido que dar la vuelta por africa.
the Italians are the most stupid allies of germany...the armies of Italy are 500,000 against 30,000 British troops ..in the end 250,000 Italians surrendered to the British
If im hitler I will not send german troops to North africa...instead I will send war supplies ....
@ameredon1 The problems was leadership. Rommel respected the Italians as soldiers but not as officers.Rommel had a small light corps against the British, barley over 20,000 men. Rommel knew of the limitations of the Italian officer corps and the capabilities of the soldiers. He used the Italians to great effect when they were properly motivated and led by experienced and competent officers.
@romanlegions Actually Rommel was furious he couldnt get the Italian troops to fight with any bravado .In one attack the Italian infantry supporting Rommels tanks all at once charged forward at the Australians only to drop their guns and surrender after a single shot was fired at them.I think they were too concerned with how they looked in their uniforms to be effective in battle lol.
@OzisGodscountry Well I guess accounts vary and situations too. But any soldiers with a degree o training and espirit de corps can pull their weight properly.
@romanlegions You only have to read accounts of the whole campaign and see the number of Italians captured to see the Italians didnt want to be involved in the battle.
any man who can fight for what they think Desert warfare wasnt about polotics1944 it was about survial heat bordem go on holiday in Egypt and go into the sun Italiano english scortish indian new zealand italian german !how those Men could fight?in those conditions
Lots of parading in those funny little tanks, not much fighting going on there. Don't forget Rommel was a Nazi and Hitler's pet for a while. So not a great man at all.
A m16 joder mira que estudie historia MUSSOLINI estuvo 20 anos en el poder y fijate las armas que tenian los italianos tanque de lata una artilleria pobre aviones que no competian ni con los spitfire o messersmith109 ni con los rusos submarinos que no sabian atacar en manadas como hicieron los alemanes en el atlantico o los EEUU en el pacifico o sea MUSSOLINI se dio cuenta lo que muchos ya sabian ni con 100 anos buenos soldados tanos pasta y opera repito tanos pasta y opera
senti povero imbecilloto spagnolo, torna scuola a studiare tutte le merdate che il tuo paese del cazzo ha fatto soprattutto in america latina.Voi vi credete ganzi xche'
ammazzate dei poveri tori innocenti. Ma andate a cagare e ringraziate l'Italia che
vi ha sempre parato il culo in Europa e vi ha fatto avere un sacco di soldi x uscire dalla povetra' del dopo Franco. morti di fame
A m16joder me vas a negar que en la 1 gm los aliados no enviaron 16 divisiones despues del desastre de caporetto cuando rommel los derroto en vitorio venetto fue una contraofensiva de los tanos pero no fue decisiva ni mucho menos si austria hungria todavia estaba en suelo italiano despues de esa derrota y los tanos atacaron porque habia reservas aliadas y austria hungria estaba agotada pero no te enganes que cuando CHURCHILL se entero del pacto de acero exclamo los alemanes estan en problemas
Como todo gallego creyendote superior. Primero tu paisucho subdesarrollado no participó de la guerra así que podes bajar un cambio. Franco estuvo 50 años en el poder y que les dejó. Solo idiotas y cagones como vos. Pensá que entraron en la union europea gracias a italia. Ya que mencionas que los tanques eran de mala calidad y que esto y que lo otro, nombrame un tanque español jajaja shhhhhhhhhh gallego que no sos nada.
it all ended in tears! great how the commentary is in italian. i see their camera crew arrived after the battle. of course we all know they arrived in an italian tank which was facing backwards, you see! they had only one gear! reverse.
Rommel fue un genio militar lastima que tenia pocas tropas alemanas y muchas italianas cuyo material de guerra y profesionalidad dejaban mucho que desear si la guerra del desierto duro mas de 2 anos fue gracias a la resistencia de Rommel porque los tanos dejaron mucho que desear militarmente hablando fue igual que en la 1 GM cuando el mismo Rommel los derroto en CAPPORETTO y los tanos huyeron en desbandada los aliados de aquella epoca tuvieron que enviar 17 divisiones para pararlos en el piave
@MrTuccigian Creo que tengas que estudiar un poco màs de historia.
El problema de los "tanos" fuè Mussolini, que decidiò de entrar en guerra impreparado militarmente. En CAPORETTO los italianos se pararon en la siguente linea de defensa, ya lista como ordenado por Cadorna. Ademàs las divisiones aliadas no hicieròn nada màs que tener la linea, los ingleses no querìan utilizar sus divisiones en primera linea. La victoria de VITTORIO VENETO fuè italiana y solo italiana. Saludos y estudia, tio
@ipimees ..........really? then why did he blind himself to the cruel actions of the NSDAP in Germany and the rest of Europe! he could have gone to the allied side. but he shut his eyes. he forfeits his honor by such actions of silence in the face of evil. he deserved his end.
@acerb45666555 Wow look at you being all ignorant.Guess what,he was german.He wasn't going to fuck over his country like that. He himself never did anything as bad as the NSDAP did.He was fighting for his country and his family.
And do you think the allied generals forfeit their honor aswell because of the war crimes of the allies? The world isn't black and white.The war wasn't good vs evil.Your reasoning is childish.
@ipimees ..youre response is uninformed. Rommel was a professional. he knew better than to shut his eyes to the vile and savage acts of the NSDAP! he knew about the camps, the repression of German and other nations, but he kept quiet to preserve his career! a self centered act!
@ipimees ..ps: the only ones worthy of compassion are the regular guys who were conscripted and had no idea what the big picture was. read ...Blood Red Snow. by Gunter Koschorrek. you will see the facts from the mouth of a German veteran.
the british 7th armoured division was poorly equiped prior to the north african campaign. Although they did manage to capture alot of the italian held towns along the coast. So at first yes the italians were losing but all of that were changing as soon as rommel reinforced them.
@ivaflimkien Field Marshal Carver, who actually fought in North Africa, would seem to disagree with you. In his book 'Tobruk' he states quite clearly that the Germans were clearly superior in skill at arms, battlecraft, tactics and weaponry.
@MalteseFalcon786 thats why tommy atkins beat the hell out of the jerries and the eyeties at el alamein! ive no doubt the jerries had better weaponry, the panzers were far better than monty's crusaders or churchills later on-the british soldier has rarely been beaten in warfare, and certainly not by hitlers german fellows. int malti ux?
@ivaflimkien Well the Jerries and the Eyties were outnumbered, outgunned, outresourced, and outgeneralled at El Alemein. They also had scant air support. There are many reasons for the Axis defeat in that battle that are too long to get into on Youtube, and British combat superiority isn't one of them. In any case it isn't my opinion I was giving, it was that of a British general that fought against them. La minnix malti. Kont fil Malta min 1977 lil 1990.
italians cowards? THE PARATROOPERS OF DIVISION FOLGORE (italian)
Winston Churchill speech to the Chamber, Nov. 21 1942:"We really must bow in front of the rest of those who have been the lions of the Folgore Division".
London Radio transmitted the famous official announcement:
The remnants of the Folgore division put up a resistance beyond every limit of human possibility. silet ignorant britons!
BBC, Dec. 3rd 1942:" The last survivors of Folgore have been gathered without forces in the desert, none of them surrendered, no one left his weapon" 4 ever FOLGOREEE!!
The Australians and the English will surrender him to Italians... and they made well Italians they have the sense of the honor and they treat well the prisoners
No, a wrong version of History. Rommel DID command the Afrikakorps. He was in charge for most of the interesting times (Tobruk seige to Elalamein) although technically in early 1941 the Germans were subordinate to the Italians. When Ludwig Crüwell took over the AfrikaKorps, Rommel was still his boss. He was certainly in charge when this newsreel was 'shot'. In fact, Hitler made Hitler made Rommel a Field Marshal for this victory (30,000 British (mostly S Africans, no Australians) were captured.
In his dispatch pertaining to the battle of Enfidaville, General Alexander noted: "It was noticed that the Italians fought particularly well, outdoing the Germans in line with them."
When the Australians took and held Tobruk (the Australians took over 100,000 (mostly Italian) prisoners), no body busted in, although Rommel's Afrika Korps made 3 serious attempts. This campaign is widly accepted as the first land defeat of the Germans in WW2. Tobruk fell after the Australians were relieved by South Africans... Call us all British if you will, but ask any Italian/German veteran who they'd rather be up against...
RE"When the Australians took and held Tobruk (the Australians took over 100,000 (mostly Italian) prisoners)" This is incorrect, when the Italians lost Tobruk, 25,000 soldiers were captured. Not 100,000. Thats less than the Anglo Saxons that surrendered at Singapore as elliskar posted here.
True, only 25,000 Italians capitulated AT Tobruk in the original taking (so technically you are right), but the point is many more "threw up their arms" as the Australians countered the Italian advance into Egypt in 1940. The Australians/British moved through Tobruk west as far as Bengahzi, taking many Italian prisoners, but things changed as Rommel arrived in April of 1941... (and 4 Australian Brigades were moved to Greece). The Australians/British in Cyrenicia outnumbered the Italians 3 to 1.
Rommel placed the blame for the failure to capture Tobruk squarely on the Italians. However, it was the 19th and 20th Infantry Regiments of the 27th "Brescia" Division along with the 5th and 12th Bersaglieri Battalions of the 8th Bersaglieri Regiment, the 3rd Company, 32nd Combat Sappers Battalion and "Ariete" Armoured Division who after much hard fighting, had possession of most of the positions which the Australians had lost.
Italian forces were the first to enter Tobruk despite propoganda from Germany and Britain...it's a true fact if you know anything about the North African Theatre.
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well it isn't just that fact, it's also the fact that the italians had a unfinished outlying defences surrounding tobruk which the aussies managed to complete whilst being besieged
All i can say that the cluprit for the disasterus defeat of the Comonwealth forces and British 8th Army(who had far larger superiority in awrything) was not General Auchinleck.....It was Lt.Gen.Neal Richi.
No!The Germans entered First...after all Germans defeated the 8th Army at Gazala right before that,and then came Rommels incedible manover...since tobruk was exremly frontaly defended,he pretanded to chanse the remainder of the 8th army towards Egypt,then Swung back
mancò la fortuna no il valore!!! il soldato italiano non ha mai ucciso chi riteneva alleato. tedeschi sporche canaglie. onore alla gran bretagna per la vittoria.
the story written by the victors british rommel said that he was a hero. in reality was only a hog racist german, like all german troops. who knew kill and offend the italian allies. living Cefalonia of the fallen. german murderes cowards!!
Rommel was a German soldier not a Nazi infact he was one of the ploters to kill Hitler,yes Germans treated the Italian allies very badly but Rommel was not one of them,infact the Italian military needed him to win north africa.
"infact the Italian military needed him to win north africa". I've just been spilling that out to ya in my last few comments. yes rommel wasnt a nazi but my point was that rommel and hitler didnt see the ities as powerful allies. plus the commandos might be small but they did do a lot of considerable damage to the german war effort along with the sas who were formed in the desert.
I agreed that the Italians needed Rommel just like you needed the Americans and General Patton to win the war in northafrica,but I also notice that you never bring up your other friends the french if you think the Italians were bad why dont you ever talk about the french and how badly they handeld the war they were knocked out early and had the worse military in the ww2
what about the french...they shagged out as far as i'm concerned. we had the commonwealth behind us, so we no didnt just neede the yanks. and also patton wasnt the only leading general about u know, there was bernard montgomery
pffff it wouldnt really make a difference if the yanks had planned it. sure market garden was a foul up but certainly the circumstances would've been the same if u lot had planned it. how else would u plan it in capturing the key bridges?
But Montgomery pushed hard for Operation Market Garden, American high command did not want it,they new it was a very risky operation, but they let Montgomery have it to keep thinks smooth between the brits and american allies,that was 100% Montgomery/ brit operation, thank you.
Wrong, not enough money for the brit war effort most of Europe was not ready for war infact the lendlease was not paid back right away it took many years after the war for the brits to pay it back they had very little money and a military that had been been overlooked for many years by your Goverment,Thank god for your sake that Churchhill took over
wrong, if britian didnt have any money then we'd be fucked. we had plenty of money to lend although we couldnt lend it all to other european allies since they were occupied. so luckily we was able to afford ships & weapons from the yanks.
You could not afford thats why the lend lease was set up,to pay the loan off a little at a time and not during the war,the first payment was made after the war was over and took many years to pay off,if you had the money in the first place you would of not needed our ships and tanks you would of built your own,you needed ships and tanks fast without paying right away and you needed our navy and army for northafrica Italy and lets not forget Normandy which was a 100% American plan to the T
I am so ashamed to read in 2008 such british comments about italians; they seem to be still at war. But the real fact is that they´ve lost all their colonies, and now the Italian coach Fabio Capello will teach them to be a little more brave in the football field...I think of english now and Beckham comes to my mind inmediately...not quite a tough guy. Ciao.
well to be honest the italians were hopeless soldiers and it's the truth. altho as pows they did make out to be good cooks,barbers and singers but never the less they were 2nd class soldiers. Plus they didnt exactly followed Mussolini passionately as compared to the germans who'd followed hitler passionately.
Sorry but your facts are all wrong and most of your info comes books that are one sided and not what really happend,unlike the UK who had bigbrother USA to win the war for them but I know thats a tuchy subject for you, with the lend lease that bank rolled Englands war effort.If Italy had the USA maybe they would of won two.
um no most of my info came from my granddad who was in egypt during the desert campaign and yes i do read books but not all of the books are one sided as compared to the internet. What i said was pretty much true the ities basically were hopless soldiers whether u accept that or u dont
Well thats quite funny because in this reel you see british soldiers surredering to the Italian in the battle of tobruk and I had a granddad to and he said that his unit took in alot of british POW and that things went bad for the Germans and Italians when the Americans intered the war,the brits were about to losse the intire war.
They weren't even british they were australians. They were the ones who defended tobruk and repelled every blitzkrieg attack that rommel thrown at them. Plus as u must know it was the british at the start of the desert campaign that smashed the italians at every location along the north african coast. And that's why mussolini begged for hitler's aid to help em out cos the italians were useless...literally. they were more italian pows than german pows m8.
At the start of the war Italian chased the brits clear across the north africa the mistake they made was to stop and dig in instead of pressing the attack, that was general Graziani's who after countless orders from the top brass in Rome to continue the attack,also you forget the Italian paratroopers the Folgore who repelled a huge british force and destroyed 200 tanks and captured a brit general allowed the German allies to escape while they fought.Hundreds of thousands of brits were in camps
Also at the start of the war the Brits were useless as well they lost the battle of France,even the battle of Britain would of been lost if not for the many pilots from around the world France the USA Poland Canada and a few others.you fared better with Italian conscrips but not with julia Alpini or the Folgore or the San Marco battalion you would lose those battles.
erm correction there was more italian pows throughout the empire and in the us than british pows in italy and germany. so pretty much that explains italian courage dont it. plus the british army aint useless at all cos we had the commandos and the sas out in the desert (ie L.R.D.G) which shitted all over ur units entirely. so pretty much u lot just melted out there til rommel came to save ur petty arse.
Italy had Rommel and the Germans, the brits had American general Patton to save your arse the war was pretty much over for the brits you were out of money and arms Patton saved you.Cammando's were to small in number to make any differance,also Italy the only country in the world to have under water demo teams and man driven torpidos and sunk many brit ships.
How did I know you from Australia?just have to read your comment.If Japan attacked your country there is very little your country could of done you had a tiny airforce and a smaller navy United states Navy crushed any hopes for a Japanese invasion,though I think they bombed your country a few times.I have know doubt that both Aussies and Japanese would of fought to the last man.
Id agree with that both world wars did bankrupt the english empire thats a fact, only because england honoured all its debts ww1&2, unlike the soviet union for whom england acted as gaurantour, both world wars served to radically change english foreign policy away from colonialism. As for quality of troops volunteers have always been recognised as superior no matter race, nationality or creed. Italian soldiers fared well considering how poor their equipment was.
"aussies were hardly 2nd rate at all", erm matty, begging your pardon , then why did they surrender enmasse at Singapore ? The Commonwealth forces outnumbered the Japanese more than 2 to 1. Like I said , the Brits, Aussies, and New Zealanders surrendered in larger numbers at 1 spot in 1 battle than the Italians. You conveniently overlook this point because it does not suit your bias. By your standards the Aussies, Brits, and New Zealanders ARE 2nd rate. And they cant cook or sing either.
Didn't your Grandpa surrender at Singapore Matty, the Brits and Aussies at Singapore were 2nd rate soldiers, they surrendered in larger numbers at 1 spot at 1 battle. The Italian surrenders were spread out over 500 KM at multiple battles over several months. You are just a shit stirrer who got knocked back by some Italian chick and you are now venting on them all.
erm begging ur pardon elliskar, but the aussies were hardly 2nd rate at all, the reason why the aussies got captured at singapore is cos the brits fucked up...once again. On the otherhand if u read australian war time history correctly u would learn that the aussies had beaten the japanese at milne bay, kokoda, finshaven, sananda and gona & buna. so no I have not been raped by an itie chick at all.
milne bay, gee, I know we Aussies are deluded, a great turning point, well thats what we want you to believe. We outnumbered the Japanese more than 2 to 1 again, and had lots of help from the Americans. We lost 200 , they lost 600, and they retreated inland. Small fry stuff, and please dont sprout, but we stopped them. Rubbish, it was the battle of Midway that stopped them, their navy was decimated by the US which meant they scrapped plans to invade Aus.
Matty, always remember this, Australia, Britain, New Zealand did not win WW2, they were on the winning side, Unless your an American or Russian, your views about Italians dont count, in fact you could say that the Australians, British, New Zealanders are the Italian equivalents on the Allied side, bit players who were ineffective and could not win the war on their own.
lol the americans turned up late again, And the french were equivalent to the ities. plus the aussies put up a stubborn defense at tobruk and the kiwis at el alamein. Rommel had admired them as good soldiers stating that they were most dogged spirited fighters from the far east of the british empire. So by no means were they equivalent to the frogs & the ities.
lol the u.s barely helped out the aussies and macarthur never trusted their intelligence nor their soldiers. The japanese fleet in the battle of midway was actually searching for the yankee carriers that carried the b25s that bombed tokyo and destroyed their ships at the battle of the coral sea. So they had no part in the invasion of oz at all.
"lol the u.s barely helped out the aussies" Man you are so stupid, I'm not wasting any more time with your replies after this. One final time, the UK, Australia, New Zealand didn't didn't win WW2, they were simply on the winning side, a big difference. Also the British, Australians, and New Zealanders were just as capable of mass surrender as the Italians, always remember that more of them surrendered at 1 spot at 1 battle than the Italians ever did, eg Singapore !
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yes singapore was only one big battle. but the ities have surrendered in every battle in the desert, that's the difference. singapore was a mock up due to poor british leadership. But neither the brits or the aussies barely surrender on mass elswhere in different theatres which is something uve overlooked. And it was actually hong kong that was the first british defeat whilst singapore was the 2nd, but no aussies were there.
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lol well duh I know this aint singapore but u broughted it up numbskull. Besides this is only a propaganda newsreel something that the ities & the jerries were good at when it comes to manipulating the public in a fascist state country. Apparently the aussies only left small pocket's of men to act as a rear guard in tobruk while the rest of the 9th division managed to make it back to el alamein. The british replaced them and held on until nov when the 8th army reached them.
You surrendered in one battle? funny how one person can change history as he sees fit,try ALL OF ASIA,FRANCE IN 1940 NORTH AFRICA CRETE AND THE REST OF GREECE.
Not all of asia was occupied by the british, we only lost in hong kong and singapore. And as for crete only a minor force was captured whilst others escaped and waged a guerilla war against the fallshirmjaegers. for greece well once again the ities needed the jerries to save their petty arses. only 50,000 british & commonwealth troops managed to escape from there.
only in singapore only in hong kong, only in crete only in france in 1940 only in ill fated british operation market garden only from 1940 to 1942 hundreds of thousands of british prisoners in north africa you seem to have alot of only's if only you had a clue
erm I do have a clue pater, and once again there were more italian pows than british. But then again it's not my fault if u were supporting the losing side. Alot of ities (and I mean proper ities and not fake ones) admits that they were hopeless during the war.
Not about one having more pow's than the other, I am well aware of the pows that were Italian and German, this is about you not accepting the fact that the British had a lot of pows in German and Italian hands and were also hopeless during the war until American armed forces came then things seemed to turn around for the british,
Thats right a good part of the british forces were useless, you just have to look at France in 1940 both the French and the British were useless but now your going to make up some excuse why both powers were defeated in France,I'll wait.
As Churchill wrote in his Memories: "...before El Alamein we had only defeats, ,hey matt2house ,this are the words of that fat fuck churchill ,,you see germans kicked your asses again and again till rommel ran out of supplies you where just lucky hitler had the great idea of fighting in various fronts
you won the battle of britain bla bla ,, bob was a tie moronmatt2house both sides lost almost the same number of planes ,but you lost mostly fighters so its more humiliating ,raf was at her knees until hitler changed raf bases for cities,
Actually the RAF lost 1,547 aircraft with 544 deaths, the Luftwaffe lost 1,887 aircraft with 2,500 deaths. They lost the battle despite outnumbering us 2:1. There is no way on earth you can claim it was a tie. Germany failed to achieve it's objectives and lost control of the skies aswell. It was a decisive British victory.
raf lost 1547 aircraft bla bla i can read wiki too pal, wiki is not reliable,2500 deaths lol bullshit,and you where not outnumbered in fact there where fewer bf 109s than hurricanes fighting , also germans fucked raf in the battle for france ,you lost 40 por cent of the planes fightng there
lol I dont read wikipedia as well, I own a book on the battle of britain lad. And the shit that is coming from ur spanish hole is a load of bollocks. We won the battle so enuff said muppet
history is filled with bullshit , mostly from you brit usa liars, you where fucked running out of pilots and planes, its a fact you where just lucky the crazy bastard hitler went for the soviet union , thats the only reason your fucking britain didt fell
And so where do you get your facts from dipshit? The fact is the RAF ultimately owned the Luftwaffe. Whatever your anglophobic opinions are the fact remains that the RAF and USAAF won control of the skies.
You keep saying Italians were hopeless during the war, and here you see British/Australians surrendering in masses to the so called hopeless Italians. I bet you're going to tell me this never happened, that it was all staged, maybe Italians dressed in British uniforms?hahah!!!!!
I'd gather this footage was probably filmed towards the end of the tobruk seige, we're small pockets of aussies and brits we're acting as rearguards coming out to surrender. they were covering the bulk of the australian forces that managed to retreat successfullly to el alamain, leaving traps and mines along the way.
You even have a hard time accepting the fact that the british lost this battle, yes this was filmed towards the end of a big battle in witch the british lost,RIGHT???? YOU CANY EVEN SAY YES CAN YOU???? HAHAHAH!!!!!
@iluppoolp ITALIA en la 2GM dio "LASTIMA", entendes "LASTIMA", el payaso de "MUSSOLINI" entro en guerra cuando FRANCIA estaba vencida y creyo que con 10000 muertos se sentaba en la conferencia de paz, pobre imbecil, seguro como vos, sino fuera por "ROMMEL" y el "AFRIKAKORPS" los italianos no duraban ni 1 año en la 2GM. entendes, mejor no entrar a una guerra que dar pena como lo hizo "ITALIA", "TANO" repeti conmigo "PIZZA" "PASTA" "OPERA" y a tocar la "MANDOLINA" entendiste payaso de circo
MrTuccigian 11 months ago
Rommel casi consigue un milagro, pero la diferencia de hombres y suministros al final fue demasiada. Si caia suez, todo el material de las colonias inglesas hubieran tenido que dar la vuelta por africa.
jhrcronos 1 year ago
the Italians are the most stupid allies of germany...the armies of Italy are 500,000 against 30,000 British troops ..in the end 250,000 Italians surrendered to the British
If im hitler I will not send german troops to North africa...instead I will send war supplies ....
ameredon1 1 year ago
@ameredon1 The problems was leadership. Rommel respected the Italians as soldiers but not as officers.Rommel had a small light corps against the British, barley over 20,000 men. Rommel knew of the limitations of the Italian officer corps and the capabilities of the soldiers. He used the Italians to great effect when they were properly motivated and led by experienced and competent officers.
romanlegions 5 months ago
@romanlegions Actually Rommel was furious he couldnt get the Italian troops to fight with any bravado .In one attack the Italian infantry supporting Rommels tanks all at once charged forward at the Australians only to drop their guns and surrender after a single shot was fired at them.I think they were too concerned with how they looked in their uniforms to be effective in battle lol.
OzisGodscountry 4 months ago
@OzisGodscountry Well I guess accounts vary and situations too. But any soldiers with a degree o training and espirit de corps can pull their weight properly.
romanlegions 4 months ago
@romanlegions You only have to read accounts of the whole campaign and see the number of Italians captured to see the Italians didnt want to be involved in the battle.
OzisGodscountry 4 months ago
any man who can fight for what they think Desert warfare wasnt about polotics1944 it was about survial heat bordem go on holiday in Egypt and go into the sun Italiano english scortish indian new zealand italian german !how those Men could fight?in those conditions
rezlerken 1 year ago
@rezlerken There was no war in North Africa in 1944
Baskerville22 1 year ago
@Baskerville22 I know typing error
rezlerken 1 year ago
Lots of parading in those funny little tanks, not much fighting going on there. Don't forget Rommel was a Nazi and Hitler's pet for a while. So not a great man at all.
FairladyS130 1 year ago
@FairladyS130 Maybe not. But one hell of a great tactician!
warager37 9 months ago
now this is footage that i have not seen at al! and i have seen a lot! well done, wolficatz!
jcwm77 1 year ago
recoquered of Tobruk is an italian victory under Rommel lead.
Viva Rommel
QuadraroImp 1 year ago
@QuadraroImp The Italians lost most of battles just because of their commanders not soldiers. So yeah, the difference is great.
Sarranid 1 year ago
@Sarranid Yes Italians commanders sucks, the only good general was Italo Balbo and he died at the start by friend fire...
QuadraroImp 1 year ago
A m16 joder mira que estudie historia MUSSOLINI estuvo 20 anos en el poder y fijate las armas que tenian los italianos tanque de lata una artilleria pobre aviones que no competian ni con los spitfire o messersmith109 ni con los rusos submarinos que no sabian atacar en manadas como hicieron los alemanes en el atlantico o los EEUU en el pacifico o sea MUSSOLINI se dio cuenta lo que muchos ya sabian ni con 100 anos buenos soldados tanos pasta y opera repito tanos pasta y opera
MrTuccigian 1 year ago
@MrTuccigian
senti povero imbecilloto spagnolo, torna scuola a studiare tutte le merdate che il tuo paese del cazzo ha fatto soprattutto in america latina.Voi vi credete ganzi xche'
ammazzate dei poveri tori innocenti. Ma andate a cagare e ringraziate l'Italia che
vi ha sempre parato il culo in Europa e vi ha fatto avere un sacco di soldi x uscire dalla povetra' del dopo Franco. morti di fame
philipaviator 1 year ago
A m16joder me vas a negar que en la 1 gm los aliados no enviaron 16 divisiones despues del desastre de caporetto cuando rommel los derroto en vitorio venetto fue una contraofensiva de los tanos pero no fue decisiva ni mucho menos si austria hungria todavia estaba en suelo italiano despues de esa derrota y los tanos atacaron porque habia reservas aliadas y austria hungria estaba agotada pero no te enganes que cuando CHURCHILL se entero del pacto de acero exclamo los alemanes estan en problemas
MrTuccigian 1 year ago
@MrTuccigian
Como todo gallego creyendote superior. Primero tu paisucho subdesarrollado no participó de la guerra así que podes bajar un cambio. Franco estuvo 50 años en el poder y que les dejó. Solo idiotas y cagones como vos. Pensá que entraron en la union europea gracias a italia. Ya que mencionas que los tanques eran de mala calidad y que esto y que lo otro, nombrame un tanque español jajaja shhhhhhhhhh gallego que no sos nada.
illuppolp 11 months ago
Great Britain defeated by FIAT 500 ...:)))
MED150 1 year ago
@MED150 like your style small fat and slow but lots of heart
rezlerken 1 year ago
@rezlerken THANKS A LOT... Grazie mille...:)))
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british broke german code and knew when fuell ships were travelling to tynisia and sunk them all its a succes of british intelligence..
JIMY45GR 1 year ago
it all ended in tears! great how the commentary is in italian. i see their camera crew arrived after the battle. of course we all know they arrived in an italian tank which was facing backwards, you see! they had only one gear! reverse.
MrJimmyboy1972 1 year ago
Rommel fue un genio militar lastima que tenia pocas tropas alemanas y muchas italianas cuyo material de guerra y profesionalidad dejaban mucho que desear si la guerra del desierto duro mas de 2 anos fue gracias a la resistencia de Rommel porque los tanos dejaron mucho que desear militarmente hablando fue igual que en la 1 GM cuando el mismo Rommel los derroto en CAPPORETTO y los tanos huyeron en desbandada los aliados de aquella epoca tuvieron que enviar 17 divisiones para pararlos en el piave
MrTuccigian 1 year ago
@MrTuccigian Creo que tengas que estudiar un poco màs de historia.
El problema de los "tanos" fuè Mussolini, que decidiò de entrar en guerra impreparado militarmente. En CAPORETTO los italianos se pararon en la siguente linea de defensa, ya lista como ordenado por Cadorna. Ademàs las divisiones aliadas no hicieròn nada màs que tener la linea, los ingleses no querìan utilizar sus divisiones en primera linea. La victoria de VITTORIO VENETO fuè italiana y solo italiana. Saludos y estudia, tio
m16joder 1 year ago
what the fuck amazing rare video..
NeurofunkInfinitive 1 year ago
Rommel was a great man
ipimees 2 years ago 22
@ipimees yeah Rommel was, but he 's been fighting for a bad cause
NeurofunkInfinitive 1 year ago
@ipimees ..........really? then why did he blind himself to the cruel actions of the NSDAP in Germany and the rest of Europe! he could have gone to the allied side. but he shut his eyes. he forfeits his honor by such actions of silence in the face of evil. he deserved his end.
acerb45666555 1 year ago
@acerb45666555 Wow look at you being all ignorant.Guess what,he was german.He wasn't going to fuck over his country like that. He himself never did anything as bad as the NSDAP did.He was fighting for his country and his family.
And do you think the allied generals forfeit their honor aswell because of the war crimes of the allies? The world isn't black and white.The war wasn't good vs evil.Your reasoning is childish.
ipimees 1 year ago
@ipimees ..youre response is uninformed. Rommel was a professional. he knew better than to shut his eyes to the vile and savage acts of the NSDAP! he knew about the camps, the repression of German and other nations, but he kept quiet to preserve his career! a self centered act!
acerb45666555 1 year ago
@acerb45666555 The US are torutring prisoners in Guantanamo bay, yet your generals aren't doing anything are they? thats self centred too
nick21sammy 5 months ago
@ipimees ..ps: the only ones worthy of compassion are the regular guys who were conscripted and had no idea what the big picture was. read ...Blood Red Snow. by Gunter Koschorrek. you will see the facts from the mouth of a German veteran.
acerb45666555 1 year ago
Both sides had brave men but of course there was only one outcome at the finish.
STARRPORR 2 years ago
the british 7th armoured division was poorly equiped prior to the north african campaign. Although they did manage to capture alot of the italian held towns along the coast. So at first yes the italians were losing but all of that were changing as soon as rommel reinforced them.
MrMattias87 2 years ago
Rommel's Afrika Korps - Krieg ohne Hass
beniu180 2 years ago 4
rommels afrika corps wasnt half as good as montys tommies-you cant compare a jerry to tommy atkins in battle!
ivaflimkien 2 years ago
You know one's I know one's - and this way let stay
beniu180 2 years ago
Next time read carefully what who is writing - I didn't compare - I wrote what confirmed even Churchill - "war without hate"
beniu180 2 years ago
@ivaflimkien Field Marshal Carver, who actually fought in North Africa, would seem to disagree with you. In his book 'Tobruk' he states quite clearly that the Germans were clearly superior in skill at arms, battlecraft, tactics and weaponry.
MalteseFalcon786 1 year ago
@MalteseFalcon786 thats why tommy atkins beat the hell out of the jerries and the eyeties at el alamein! ive no doubt the jerries had better weaponry, the panzers were far better than monty's crusaders or churchills later on-the british soldier has rarely been beaten in warfare, and certainly not by hitlers german fellows. int malti ux?
ivaflimkien 1 year ago
@ivaflimkien Well the Jerries and the Eyties were outnumbered, outgunned, outresourced, and outgeneralled at El Alemein. They also had scant air support. There are many reasons for the Axis defeat in that battle that are too long to get into on Youtube, and British combat superiority isn't one of them. In any case it isn't my opinion I was giving, it was that of a British general that fought against them. La minnix malti. Kont fil Malta min 1977 lil 1990.
MalteseFalcon786 1 year ago
@beniu180 Der einzige Hass war gegen die Hitze :D
DieBismarck1 1 year ago
@DieBismarck1 certainly so
beniu180 1 year ago
@beniu180 du kannst kein deutsch oder ?
cn you speak german ?
DieBismarck1 1 year ago
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beniu180 1 year ago
@beniu180 lol^^
DieBismarck1 1 year ago
Rommel the best
TheRafael17 2 years ago 4
FOLGORE!
QuadraroImp 2 years ago
italians cowards? THE PARATROOPERS OF DIVISION FOLGORE (italian)
Winston Churchill speech to the Chamber, Nov. 21 1942:"We really must bow in front of the rest of those who have been the lions of the Folgore Division".
London Radio transmitted the famous official announcement:
The remnants of the Folgore division put up a resistance beyond every limit of human possibility. silet ignorant britons!
gippobastard 2 years ago 2
BBC, Dec. 3rd 1942:" The last survivors of Folgore have been gathered without forces in the desert, none of them surrendered, no one left his weapon" 4 ever FOLGOREEE!!
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F.I.A.T.
Stands for: Fix It Again Tony
the82spartans 2 years ago
Ich versteh zwar kein Wort was der Italiener im Video da redet aber es klingt spannend.^^
NipplerZZ 2 years ago 2
Don't forget that the Italians lost Tobruk for the Axis in the first place :-)
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geofftop 2 years ago
italia mia......grandi battaglie!!! italia ti ho nel cuoree!
alessandrorivo 2 years ago 2
The Australians and the English will surrender him to Italians... and they made well Italians they have the sense of the honor and they treat well the prisoners
normannodelsud 3 years ago
so this is rommel's afrika korps
JurishzteR 3 years ago
no rommel didnt lead the afrikakorps
the afrika korps was a part of Panzer Armee Afrika witch was a combination of german troops and italian
HistorybuffDAK 3 years ago
well who led the afrikakorps then???
JurishzteR 3 years ago
General Nehring
HistorybuffDAK 2 years ago
wtf??? another version of history?? i never heard or read about that....
JurishzteR 2 years ago
No, a wrong version of History. Rommel DID command the Afrikakorps. He was in charge for most of the interesting times (Tobruk seige to Elalamein) although technically in early 1941 the Germans were subordinate to the Italians. When Ludwig Crüwell took over the AfrikaKorps, Rommel was still his boss. He was certainly in charge when this newsreel was 'shot'. In fact, Hitler made Hitler made Rommel a Field Marshal for this victory (30,000 British (mostly S Africans, no Australians) were captured.
MGoose66 2 years ago
thats what i was saying, 'so this is rommel's afrika korps '
JurishzteR 2 years ago
Nice vid, especially the start.
ManilaSyndicate 3 years ago
In his dispatch pertaining to the battle of Enfidaville, General Alexander noted: "It was noticed that the Italians fought particularly well, outdoing the Germans in line with them."
ElioChara1 3 years ago
When the Australians took and held Tobruk (the Australians took over 100,000 (mostly Italian) prisoners), no body busted in, although Rommel's Afrika Korps made 3 serious attempts. This campaign is widly accepted as the first land defeat of the Germans in WW2. Tobruk fell after the Australians were relieved by South Africans... Call us all British if you will, but ask any Italian/German veteran who they'd rather be up against...
MGoose66 3 years ago
RE"When the Australians took and held Tobruk (the Australians took over 100,000 (mostly Italian) prisoners)" This is incorrect, when the Italians lost Tobruk, 25,000 soldiers were captured. Not 100,000. Thats less than the Anglo Saxons that surrendered at Singapore as elliskar posted here.
ElioChara1 3 years ago
True, only 25,000 Italians capitulated AT Tobruk in the original taking (so technically you are right), but the point is many more "threw up their arms" as the Australians countered the Italian advance into Egypt in 1940. The Australians/British moved through Tobruk west as far as Bengahzi, taking many Italian prisoners, but things changed as Rommel arrived in April of 1941... (and 4 Australian Brigades were moved to Greece). The Australians/British in Cyrenicia outnumbered the Italians 3 to 1.
MGoose66 3 years ago
Well Congratulations on surviving then.
ElioChara1 3 years ago
Cunts didn't get my uncle, who was one of the original Rats of Tobruk.
dingodave1 3 years ago
the only true victory that Aericans won against another great power was at Midway.
what i mean whit true victory is by beaing
outnummberd/outgunned,but by using bether
tactics the anhilated the Japnese...
After that Amricans newer won a War against
a worthy oponent...
armenius25 3 years ago 3
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too true and the aussies were the first to defeat the japanese on land and the british were the first to defeat the luftwaffe in the air.
matt2house 3 years ago
Read Rommel papers...You can download it for free online...
armenius25 3 years ago
Rommel did not place blame on anyone.
The Truth is that he simply did not had the
nessasary strenght to take Tubrok.
The main body of Afirka Corps has not eavn arived!So,all he had was some week Infratry and light motorised Divisions.
But after that he made one thing clear!
He sayd to him self TOBRUK MASS FALL!
Once the main body of Afrika corps arived,
he shaterd Wavells and Auchinlekcs attacks
Totaly destorys 8th Army at Gazala and Takes
the Tobrouk whit a amasing manover.
armenius25 3 years ago 2
And no my grandpa was in the RAF serving in the north atlantic campaign...sinking german u - boats
matt2house 3 years ago
Rommel placed the blame for the failure to capture Tobruk squarely on the Italians. However, it was the 19th and 20th Infantry Regiments of the 27th "Brescia" Division along with the 5th and 12th Bersaglieri Battalions of the 8th Bersaglieri Regiment, the 3rd Company, 32nd Combat Sappers Battalion and "Ariete" Armoured Division who after much hard fighting, had possession of most of the positions which the Australians had lost.
elliskar 3 years ago 3
but the australians have claimed them back tho...through bren carrier raids
matt2house 3 years ago
Italian forces were the first to enter Tobruk despite propoganda from Germany and Britain...it's a true fact if you know anything about the North African Theatre.
britishcalifornia 3 years ago 4
Rommel could not defeat Lt General Morshead and his Rats of Tobruk.
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Of course he could!But the main body of the
Afrika Corps has not eavn arived at that time.
Also he did not wanted to risk further casualtys until the main elements of Afrika
Corps have arivied,,,
armenius25 3 years ago
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well it isn't just that fact, it's also the fact that the italians had a unfinished outlying defences surrounding tobruk which the aussies managed to complete whilst being besieged
matt2house 3 years ago
All i can say that the cluprit for the disasterus defeat of the Comonwealth forces and British 8th Army(who had far larger superiority in awrything) was not General Auchinleck.....It was Lt.Gen.Neal Richi.
armenius25 3 years ago
No!The Germans entered First...after all Germans defeated the 8th Army at Gazala right before that,and then came Rommels incedible manover...since tobruk was exremly frontaly defended,he pretanded to chanse the remainder of the 8th army towards Egypt,then Swung back
with an astanushing speed and tock Tobruk.
The defences broke into two parts at Tobruk.
And Rommel personaly raised the Falg there.
Rommels Triumph in Gazala and Trobuk was an
incedible feat against nearly 3 to 1 odds.
armenius25 3 years ago
then the Australians took it back and gave him hell. rommel only managed to take it back when we were called away
knownofear1 3 years ago
Excellent video! The Italians were the first Axis troops to enter Tobruk when it fell, but the Germans took all the credit!
sirsartana 3 years ago 7
these are italian soldiers not yet afrika corps
lrnzpls94 3 years ago
Africa corp was a compined German/Italian force under Rommel not just German.
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago 2
mancò la fortuna no il valore!!! il soldato italiano non ha mai ucciso chi riteneva alleato. tedeschi sporche canaglie. onore alla gran bretagna per la vittoria.
seggiolino55 3 years ago
the story written by the victors british rommel said that he was a hero. in reality was only a hog racist german, like all german troops. who knew kill and offend the italian allies. living Cefalonia of the fallen. german murderes cowards!!
seggiolino55 3 years ago
Rommel was a German soldier not a Nazi infact he was one of the ploters to kill Hitler,yes Germans treated the Italian allies very badly but Rommel was not one of them,infact the Italian military needed him to win north africa.
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
"infact the Italian military needed him to win north africa". I've just been spilling that out to ya in my last few comments. yes rommel wasnt a nazi but my point was that rommel and hitler didnt see the ities as powerful allies. plus the commandos might be small but they did do a lot of considerable damage to the german war effort along with the sas who were formed in the desert.
matt2house 3 years ago
I agreed that the Italians needed Rommel just like you needed the Americans and General Patton to win the war in northafrica,but I also notice that you never bring up your other friends the french if you think the Italians were bad why dont you ever talk about the french and how badly they handeld the war they were knocked out early and had the worse military in the ww2
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
what about the french...they shagged out as far as i'm concerned. we had the commonwealth behind us, so we no didnt just neede the yanks. and also patton wasnt the only leading general about u know, there was bernard montgomery
matt2house 3 years ago
Montgomery?three words, OPERATION MARKET GARDEN.
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
pffff it wouldnt really make a difference if the yanks had planned it. sure market garden was a foul up but certainly the circumstances would've been the same if u lot had planned it. how else would u plan it in capturing the key bridges?
matt2house 3 years ago
But Montgomery pushed hard for Operation Market Garden, American high command did not want it,they new it was a very risky operation, but they let Montgomery have it to keep thinks smooth between the brits and american allies,that was 100% Montgomery/ brit operation, thank you.
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
erm we had plenty of money m8 no worries on that we just needed materials and other war products coming from yankee land.
matt2house 3 years ago
Wrong, not enough money for the brit war effort most of Europe was not ready for war infact the lendlease was not paid back right away it took many years after the war for the brits to pay it back they had very little money and a military that had been been overlooked for many years by your Goverment,Thank god for your sake that Churchhill took over
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
wrong, if britian didnt have any money then we'd be fucked. we had plenty of money to lend although we couldnt lend it all to other european allies since they were occupied. so luckily we was able to afford ships & weapons from the yanks.
matt2house 3 years ago
You could not afford thats why the lend lease was set up,to pay the loan off a little at a time and not during the war,the first payment was made after the war was over and took many years to pay off,if you had the money in the first place you would of not needed our ships and tanks you would of built your own,you needed ships and tanks fast without paying right away and you needed our navy and army for northafrica Italy and lets not forget Normandy which was a 100% American plan to the T
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
load of bollocks and u know it
matt2house 3 years ago
You know I'm right, so I would just let it go if I were you,because I can go on and on.
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
so can I mate.
matt2house 2 years ago
W the regio esercito
termodianmico 3 years ago
Viva l'Italia, viva l'Esercito.
cultofpiett 3 years ago
UK i am italian. It's all right. Patience
hassa2 3 years ago
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The problem is, it is all arranged footages.
No real action
nopsysan 3 years ago
is real action
pomosoc 3 years ago 3
Italy sucks balls in ww2...Germany did all the shit.
ROMMEL OWNS!
mp40dude 3 years ago 2
They are Italian soldiers... The English are surrendered to Italians
normannodelsud 4 years ago 3
Its a shame to think General Wavell's propaganda is still alive and well in 2008.
Tomba88 4 years ago
I am so ashamed to read in 2008 such british comments about italians; they seem to be still at war. But the real fact is that they´ve lost all their colonies, and now the Italian coach Fabio Capello will teach them to be a little more brave in the football field...I think of english now and Beckham comes to my mind inmediately...not quite a tough guy. Ciao.
maxote66 4 years ago 2
well to be honest the italians were hopeless soldiers and it's the truth. altho as pows they did make out to be good cooks,barbers and singers but never the less they were 2nd class soldiers. Plus they didnt exactly followed Mussolini passionately as compared to the germans who'd followed hitler passionately.
matt2house 3 years ago
Sorry but your facts are all wrong and most of your info comes books that are one sided and not what really happend,unlike the UK who had bigbrother USA to win the war for them but I know thats a tuchy subject for you, with the lend lease that bank rolled Englands war effort.If Italy had the USA maybe they would of won two.
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
um no most of my info came from my granddad who was in egypt during the desert campaign and yes i do read books but not all of the books are one sided as compared to the internet. What i said was pretty much true the ities basically were hopless soldiers whether u accept that or u dont
matt2house 3 years ago
Well thats quite funny because in this reel you see british soldiers surredering to the Italian in the battle of tobruk and I had a granddad to and he said that his unit took in alot of british POW and that things went bad for the Germans and Italians when the Americans intered the war,the brits were about to losse the intire war.
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
They weren't even british they were australians. They were the ones who defended tobruk and repelled every blitzkrieg attack that rommel thrown at them. Plus as u must know it was the british at the start of the desert campaign that smashed the italians at every location along the north african coast. And that's why mussolini begged for hitler's aid to help em out cos the italians were useless...literally. they were more italian pows than german pows m8.
matt2house 3 years ago
At the start of the war Italian chased the brits clear across the north africa the mistake they made was to stop and dig in instead of pressing the attack, that was general Graziani's who after countless orders from the top brass in Rome to continue the attack,also you forget the Italian paratroopers the Folgore who repelled a huge british force and destroyed 200 tanks and captured a brit general allowed the German allies to escape while they fought.Hundreds of thousands of brits were in camps
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
Also at the start of the war the Brits were useless as well they lost the battle of France,even the battle of Britain would of been lost if not for the many pilots from around the world France the USA Poland Canada and a few others.you fared better with Italian conscrips but not with julia Alpini or the Folgore or the San Marco battalion you would lose those battles.
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
erm correction there was more italian pows throughout the empire and in the us than british pows in italy and germany. so pretty much that explains italian courage dont it. plus the british army aint useless at all cos we had the commandos and the sas out in the desert (ie L.R.D.G) which shitted all over ur units entirely. so pretty much u lot just melted out there til rommel came to save ur petty arse.
matt2house 3 years ago
Italy had Rommel and the Germans, the brits had American general Patton to save your arse the war was pretty much over for the brits you were out of money and arms Patton saved you.Cammando's were to small in number to make any differance,also Italy the only country in the world to have under water demo teams and man driven torpidos and sunk many brit ships.
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
matt2house
Most of the Aussies had been pulled out of Tobruk after withstanding Rommel for 8 months.
Rommel could not defeat Lt General Morshead and his Rats of Tobruk.
Only when they were replaced with British and Polish troops under British command did Tobruk fall.
The Rats were sent back to Australia to defend their homeland by the Australian Govt. against Churchill's orders.
He regarded Australia and Australians as "expendable".
blueycarlton 3 years ago
um I pretty much stated that when I first came across this clip.
matt2house 3 years ago
How did I know you from Australia?just have to read your comment.If Japan attacked your country there is very little your country could of done you had a tiny airforce and a smaller navy United states Navy crushed any hopes for a Japanese invasion,though I think they bombed your country a few times.I have know doubt that both Aussies and Japanese would of fought to the last man.
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
Id agree with that both world wars did bankrupt the english empire thats a fact, only because england honoured all its debts ww1&2, unlike the soviet union for whom england acted as gaurantour, both world wars served to radically change english foreign policy away from colonialism. As for quality of troops volunteers have always been recognised as superior no matter race, nationality or creed. Italian soldiers fared well considering how poor their equipment was.
bogwarriorG 3 years ago
Yes I agree with your comment 100%
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the ities were rubbish soldiers but were good cooks & singers
matt2house 3 years ago
"aussies were hardly 2nd rate at all", erm matty, begging your pardon , then why did they surrender enmasse at Singapore ? The Commonwealth forces outnumbered the Japanese more than 2 to 1. Like I said , the Brits, Aussies, and New Zealanders surrendered in larger numbers at 1 spot in 1 battle than the Italians. You conveniently overlook this point because it does not suit your bias. By your standards the Aussies, Brits, and New Zealanders ARE 2nd rate. And they cant cook or sing either.
elliskar 3 years ago 5
well they probably cant sing but they can fight unlike the ities and the frogs.
matt2house 3 years ago
Didn't your Grandpa surrender at Singapore Matty, the Brits and Aussies at Singapore were 2nd rate soldiers, they surrendered in larger numbers at 1 spot at 1 battle. The Italian surrenders were spread out over 500 KM at multiple battles over several months. You are just a shit stirrer who got knocked back by some Italian chick and you are now venting on them all.
elliskar 3 years ago
erm begging ur pardon elliskar, but the aussies were hardly 2nd rate at all, the reason why the aussies got captured at singapore is cos the brits fucked up...once again. On the otherhand if u read australian war time history correctly u would learn that the aussies had beaten the japanese at milne bay, kokoda, finshaven, sananda and gona & buna. so no I have not been raped by an itie chick at all.
matt2house 3 years ago
milne bay, gee, I know we Aussies are deluded, a great turning point, well thats what we want you to believe. We outnumbered the Japanese more than 2 to 1 again, and had lots of help from the Americans. We lost 200 , they lost 600, and they retreated inland. Small fry stuff, and please dont sprout, but we stopped them. Rubbish, it was the battle of Midway that stopped them, their navy was decimated by the US which meant they scrapped plans to invade Aus.
elliskar 3 years ago 4
Matty, always remember this, Australia, Britain, New Zealand did not win WW2, they were on the winning side, Unless your an American or Russian, your views about Italians dont count, in fact you could say that the Australians, British, New Zealanders are the Italian equivalents on the Allied side, bit players who were ineffective and could not win the war on their own.
elliskar 3 years ago 3
lol the americans turned up late again, And the french were equivalent to the ities. plus the aussies put up a stubborn defense at tobruk and the kiwis at el alamein. Rommel had admired them as good soldiers stating that they were most dogged spirited fighters from the far east of the british empire. So by no means were they equivalent to the frogs & the ities.
matt2house 3 years ago
lol the u.s barely helped out the aussies and macarthur never trusted their intelligence nor their soldiers. The japanese fleet in the battle of midway was actually searching for the yankee carriers that carried the b25s that bombed tokyo and destroyed their ships at the battle of the coral sea. So they had no part in the invasion of oz at all.
matt2house 3 years ago
"lol the u.s barely helped out the aussies" Man you are so stupid, I'm not wasting any more time with your replies after this. One final time, the UK, Australia, New Zealand didn't didn't win WW2, they were simply on the winning side, a big difference. Also the British, Australians, and New Zealanders were just as capable of mass surrender as the Italians, always remember that more of them surrendered at 1 spot at 1 battle than the Italians ever did, eg Singapore !
elliskar 3 years ago 5
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yes singapore was only one big battle. but the ities have surrendered in every battle in the desert, that's the difference. singapore was a mock up due to poor british leadership. But neither the brits or the aussies barely surrender on mass elswhere in different theatres which is something uve overlooked. And it was actually hong kong that was the first british defeat whilst singapore was the 2nd, but no aussies were there.
matt2house 3 years ago
I suggust you rewatch this video, plenty of Brits surrendering enmasse to Italians , and this video aint about Singapore ...
elliskar 3 years ago 5
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lol well duh I know this aint singapore but u broughted it up numbskull. Besides this is only a propaganda newsreel something that the ities & the jerries were good at when it comes to manipulating the public in a fascist state country. Apparently the aussies only left small pocket's of men to act as a rear guard in tobruk while the rest of the 9th division managed to make it back to el alamein. The british replaced them and held on until nov when the 8th army reached them.
matt2house 3 years ago
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furthermore the libyans know very well that the ities always surrenders on mass as u were their imperial masters.
matt2house 3 years ago
In this case it was the British mass surrendering, clearly this bothers you. Singapore was worse for you's.
elliskar 3 years ago 6
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well it doesnt me at all since we only surrendered at one battle and u lot surrendered in other places.
matt2house 3 years ago
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bother*
matt2house 3 years ago
You surrendered in one battle? funny how one person can change history as he sees fit,try ALL OF ASIA,FRANCE IN 1940 NORTH AFRICA CRETE AND THE REST OF GREECE.
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
Not all of asia was occupied by the british, we only lost in hong kong and singapore. And as for crete only a minor force was captured whilst others escaped and waged a guerilla war against the fallshirmjaegers. for greece well once again the ities needed the jerries to save their petty arses. only 50,000 british & commonwealth troops managed to escape from there.
matt2house 3 years ago
only in singapore only in hong kong, only in crete only in france in 1940 only in ill fated british operation market garden only from 1940 to 1942 hundreds of thousands of british prisoners in north africa you seem to have alot of only's if only you had a clue
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
erm I do have a clue pater, and once again there were more italian pows than british. But then again it's not my fault if u were supporting the losing side. Alot of ities (and I mean proper ities and not fake ones) admits that they were hopeless during the war.
matt2house 3 years ago
Not about one having more pow's than the other, I am well aware of the pows that were Italian and German, this is about you not accepting the fact that the British had a lot of pows in German and Italian hands and were also hopeless during the war until American armed forces came then things seemed to turn around for the british,
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
lol the british soldiers were hardly useless at all. But I do admit that the british chain of command was always over egotistic in every battle.
matt2house 3 years ago
Thats right a good part of the british forces were useless, you just have to look at France in 1940 both the French and the British were useless but now your going to make up some excuse why both powers were defeated in France,I'll wait.
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
As Churchill wrote in his Memories: "...before El Alamein we had only defeats, ,hey matt2house ,this are the words of that fat fuck churchill ,,you see germans kicked your asses again and again till rommel ran out of supplies you where just lucky hitler had the great idea of fighting in various fronts
pudransemarikas 3 years ago
correction old boy we won the battle of britain. which was our very first victory over the bosch.
matt2house 3 years ago
you won the battle of britain bla bla ,, bob was a tie moronmatt2house both sides lost almost the same number of planes ,but you lost mostly fighters so its more humiliating ,raf was at her knees until hitler changed raf bases for cities,
pudransemarikas 3 years ago
lol shut up we owned u spanish twats in every battle as well since u were allies with the french during the napoleonic wars.
matt2house 3 years ago
Actually the RAF lost 1,547 aircraft with 544 deaths, the Luftwaffe lost 1,887 aircraft with 2,500 deaths. They lost the battle despite outnumbering us 2:1. There is no way on earth you can claim it was a tie. Germany failed to achieve it's objectives and lost control of the skies aswell. It was a decisive British victory.
sagajagan 3 years ago 3
raf lost 1547 aircraft bla bla i can read wiki too pal, wiki is not reliable,2500 deaths lol bullshit,and you where not outnumbered in fact there where fewer bf 109s than hurricanes fighting , also germans fucked raf in the battle for france ,you lost 40 por cent of the planes fightng there
pudransemarikas 3 years ago
lol I dont read wikipedia as well, I own a book on the battle of britain lad. And the shit that is coming from ur spanish hole is a load of bollocks. We won the battle so enuff said muppet
matt2house 3 years ago
history is filled with bullshit , mostly from you brit usa liars, you where fucked running out of pilots and planes, its a fact you where just lucky the crazy bastard hitler went for the soviet union , thats the only reason your fucking britain didt fell
pudransemarikas 3 years ago
And so where do you get your facts from dipshit? The fact is the RAF ultimately owned the Luftwaffe. Whatever your anglophobic opinions are the fact remains that the RAF and USAAF won control of the skies.
sagajagan 3 years ago
exactly right, so shut your spanish hole u paranoid freak.
matt2house 3 years ago
dominated both the projects that stole the ME-262 and other aircraft that was much better than their
not to mention that during the RAF Battle of Britain came to be almost no place on the plane for air ...
Guizila 3 years ago
You keep saying Italians were hopeless during the war, and here you see British/Australians surrendering in masses to the so called hopeless Italians. I bet you're going to tell me this never happened, that it was all staged, maybe Italians dressed in British uniforms?hahah!!!!!
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago
I'd gather this footage was probably filmed towards the end of the tobruk seige, we're small pockets of aussies and brits we're acting as rearguards coming out to surrender. they were covering the bulk of the australian forces that managed to retreat successfullly to el alamain, leaving traps and mines along the way.
matt2house 3 years ago
You even have a hard time accepting the fact that the british lost this battle, yes this was filmed towards the end of a big battle in witch the british lost,RIGHT???? YOU CANY EVEN SAY YES CAN YOU???? HAHAHAH!!!!!
GOODFELLAS74 3 years ago 3