07.25.09 - Second Alarm - 253 Pine Circle, Walnutport, PA

[usardave]

Why not just go to the roof and open it up right at the beginning?

[Madskull5]

These guys are either making asses of themselfs or they just love to make more destruction then needed. Removed from duty is AGREED!!! I lost a house to these firefighters. And tons of stuff with it because the futher away town got there first. WTG!!!!

[stingrae669]

i agree with Paramedicmxr, this is the almighty lehigh twnshp, and walnutport we are talking about here,they are the best ( in there eyes) except they are AFRAID to go in and do an interior attack. and then why didn't they just kick the vent that is on the roof and had fire showing off and spray a FOG pattern into it wow fire goes out. For the three fire companies that don't do interior attacks, get your ladder trucks in position and flood the house like you always do!!!!!!!!

[lablove02]

I live right behind there i saw that fire!

[Sancho264]

I see nothing wrong with being on your knees to vent a roof. He's spreading his weight out and he won't cut himself with the saw. IMO Standing is Extremely unsafe. You can lose your balance very easy. You can cut your foot or other body parts and your weight is concentrated on your feet and not being spread out. AND you're bent over causing strain to your back.

[Sancho264]

Not sure what the interior crews were doing but they had fire in the attic and for some reason arent getting it out. The choice was made to open up the side of the structure to gain access to the attic space. Once that was opened I could see the fire was extended throughout the attic space and growing quickly. I know this because I was looking in it. The entire attic space was knocked down quickly. They did have a line inside, I wasnt in there so i dont know what went on.

[Paramedicmxr]

And i love all the text comments saying you should have a fog nozzle for an interior attack.

If you know how to use a solid stream nozzle, you will put the fire out just as fast as with a fog nozzle, and you wont roast. Lets face it. Even a straight stream still has a "spray" coming out of the nozzle.

Newsworking had the best post here. I just wish he would remove "another fine job" from this video info, becuase it was clearly a joke

[Paramedicmxr]

the firefighter venting the roof on side A of the building is retarded. All he is doing is drawing the fire his direction and into the attic.

Get your asses inside the house, pull some ceiling, and spray some water into the attic, and holy crap look at that the fire is out!!!!

I wanted to puke when i read "another fine job by the WFD". You guys should all be relieved of your duties for being retarded

[Paramedicmxr]

Seriously. How in gods name do you guys call yourself firefighters. That is a freaking "living room fire" according to the comments.... then why the the crap do you not have a single hoseline going INSIDE the building? That was the most pathetic display of firefighting and tacticts i have ever seen in my life. You tards let a room and content fire destroy an entire house.

[vegetto4719]

Nicholas, you dumb bastard... What are you doing on both of your knees while on a roof?

[jan3415]

Elkhart Brass makes similar nozzles as well and are very much effective. I guess it comes down to personal preference.

[Sancho264]

The best choice is to have a nozzle with both Smoothbore and Fog. Akron Brass did just that. The Saberjet Nozzle can deliver 135gpm at 100psi on the fog setting and the smoothbore can be changed up to a 1" tip so you could deliver about 200gpm give or take.

This nozzle does take some training and getting used to. Most nozzle manufactures make a breakaway nozzle. Only issue with these is the tips get lost or they are left in pockets. You can vent with a smoothbore just not as effective.

[nayr1010]

you are both right in the points you make. so i would say its up to the department and chief officers to make the decision of which one to use.

[nayr1010]

and the situation

[jan3415]

After hitting the seat of the fire with a straight stream, just simply open up a window or anything else, point the nozzle towards the opening, turn the nozzle to a fog stream pattern and start ventilation. Again, Its not that I disagree with you 100% but I feel that there is a better alternative depending on the incident

[jan3415]

"Notice the straight bore tips on the handlines?"

The smooth bore tip works great for defensive attacks or in this case to get into the cockloft, but you don't want them on when you are making an aggressive interior attack

[nayr1010]

i have to check but i think we only have that on one handline im not sure i have to look when i go over. i never took notice.

[newsworking]

A solid bore stream is the fire stream of choice in interior fire attack. They have advantage of penetrating heated atmospheres to

reach the seat of the fire, while providing the least disruption to the thermal layering commonly

encountered in these attacks. Use of fog patterns should be avoided because they disrupt this thermal

layering bringing hotter gasses down to floor level, and they produce great amounts of steam which causes

a much greater potential for burns of firefighters.

[Sancho264]

Two Thumbs up!!! to Newsworking!

[jan3415]

As much I agree with you on that point, I also disagree with you as well. When you make an aggressive interior attack and you knock down the blaze you wanna have the capabilities to swith to a fog pattern to do some hydraulic ventilation to improve visibility and to remove the heat out. I'm not saying fighting the fire with a fog stream, that would be suicide. .

[jan3415]

Good job by all the guys on scene!

[xxnewmikexx]

nice vid as usual im trying to think of where this is in walnutport

[newsworking]

It's one street north of Main just off of Cherry. Between

Cherry and Lincoln Ave. It's a small street with culdesac.

[xxnewmikexx]

ahh ok thanks i couldnt think of where it was i dont really pay much attention when i drive through walnutport

[FDNY101202]

Lehigh Two always seems to do a fine job anywhere they go.

[nayr1010]

the hydrant cap for the five inch was stuck shut i couldn't get it open

[bigarmin99]

Damm looks like a newer house.What a waste.

[Andyman1130]

Woah, For a moment there it looked like you were cutting with only your visor. Haha. Gladd to see otherwise.

[Sancho264]

Damn, you post these fast. NICE!

Thanks for getting video of me on the ladder cutting and extinguishing.