There are plenty of churches located around college campuses. You want religious bullshit? You go to church and melt your mind there. Problem solved. See? Everyone has the right to be as retarded as you Santorum, they just have to take advantage of their opportunities to do so.
Don't know about you all, but when I was in university, my professors allowed us to ask QUESTIONS during the lectures. Never seen a priest or pastor do that during sermons.
And this trouser stain has the nerve to accuse academia of "indoctrination."
And yet the countries with the highest respect and appreciation for education and least religious people tend to be the best places to live. Right-wingers want America to be more like Saudi Arabia. My question is: why?
@rnalithe00 "Best place to live" is subjective. Native American's would have been a terrible place to live according to Europeans, yet they were far happier before being "civilized."
@bousquet92 If you'd like a more objective rating system, the Global Peace Index has given significantly higher rankings to countries with the highest atheist populations than countries with the highest christian populations (and no surprise that the countries with the highest Muslim populations and Israel rank the lowest).
@rnalithe00 That has nothing to do with happiness. Militarism is one of the key measurements. You don't seriously believe that religion is the key factor in that measurement do you? Perhaps that is true with Muslim held territory and Israel, but in the United States I don't see how you could jump to religion. Religion causes murder in the United States? Religion is the reason we have a large army? Religion is the reason we went to war in Afghanistan (our religion)? I don't think so.
@rnalithe00 Russia is also one of the lowest. Many of the more religious areas have also been oppressed for hundreds of years. I would say poverty may be a much stronger indicator.
Here's another example: Prayer, proven by science to aid in healing physical ailments, enjoys little sanctuary on secular college campuses. Where's the embrace of science in that one? You people are a joke, and your antics would be funny if they were so dangerous to the fabric of our society.
@bws1971 Prayer is not proven by science to heal you fucking idiot. There is no empirical data at all to prove that. God shitheads like you make me think why we have well tested theories from germ theory to GR and QFT when we can just use fucking prayers to heal wounds.
@floopsie666 Hey, ass face, all we have to do here is direct attention to who can write in a grammatically correct fashion vs. who can't. That ought to demonstrate to everyone who the shithead is. Nice faulty if-then logic there, too, champ. *Who* said prayer is all we need? NOBODY did. It's intellectually recalcitrant shit-for-brains, such as you, who draw that false conclusion every time you hear anything about prayer. So STFU, and, oh, you're welcome for the edification.
@floopsie666 I can't find your other comment, so I'll respond to it here, where you'll see. College and trade school are two different things. If you don't aspire to go to college, but instead to learn a trade, then you're not fucking pathetic, and your comment purposely fails to acknowledge that. How many young people out there have useless, worthless college degrees? Too many do, and we ought to be bring back apprenticeships. I learned more on the job than in graduate school.
Santorum isn't speaking about science and math, as *if* the panelists in the video didn't already know that; he's referring to the agenda-driven curricula now dominating campuses worldwide. College students now hear angry professors team them that every male is a potential racist, and young minds soak the hateful, extreme, dogmatic faux philosophy of militant feminism, taught as unquestionable, established theory.
@bws1971 "every male is a potential rapist," not "racist," but you guys get my point. Being called racist all the time, just because you believe in sound accounting, debt management and small government, can result in that typo every once in a while.
The second half of this video is an excellent example of indoctrination. Simple-mindedness on the part of the left continues to get play among the yet-to-be-educated set. It's a shame and leads to a lamentably one-dimensional view of conservatism.
"I earned my Bachelors of Science and went onto my Masters. Currently debating a PHD" Yet the user of this video roams youtube bashing Christians with the same useless insults. How intellectual.
Maybe that's because religion is a dead concept that was used to control the ignorant masses back IN THE DARK AGES. College educated adults have the ability to think for themselves and relise there is no man in the sky making sure you do the right thing.
@DylanSfield I am a college educated adult. I don't believe there is a man in the sky. I believe He is omnipresent. Religion also existed before the dark ages and long after the dark ages. Actually, it still exists today. Atheism wasn't a big thing, even in the renaissance. There were a few atheists, but most believed in a God, and most believed in the Christian God. I feel like I have debated you before on this and we agreed that one did not have to be ignorant to believe in God. Maybe not...
Yeah, don't go to college if you want to get all....smart and shit...might lose your religious convictions, then you wouldn't vote for a traitor like Santorum
Well it's one thing to lie as a troll on the internet, but making up stuff as a politician? This was just recent on CNN. 25% of students who leave college become more faithful in their religion. 7% lose their faith. 64% curve their faith (still believe in it but don't practice it as much as they used to,) and 4% are the same going into college as they do leaving college . The fact that Rick attacks higher level institutions just shows how he's trying to pick up lower educated people's votes.
"If they taught Judeo-Christian values at universities, they would be stripped of every dollar. If they teach radical secularism, they get all the government support."
Well yeah, the government can't endorse religion, which includes teaching it at public universities. It's frightening that someone this close to being president doesn't understand something that fundamental about American government. What is "radical secularism" anyways? We really really really REALLY don't endorse this religion?
We leave without faith convictions is because WE LEARN THINGS! Religion is based on blind faith that something happened, where as college teaches one to think and examine for themselves.
Isn't this why the x-tians have there own schoosl and colleges??? Then why does it need to be a part of the public education... If people wanted their kids to be in x-tian based schools then they should send them...And I am also against prayer in public schools, too...
@rnalithe00 No, they indoctronate the kids with their marxist garbage. I would love to see the north agree to let the south be free and split off from the USA. Why do you liberals feel it nessacary for the south to be part of the US? We always vote republican anyway...why dont you just let us go?
"62% of kids who go to college who have a faith conviction leave without it" Um, if this is true (where does this statistic come from?)...yeeeeah, people who go to college probably stop being religious because they have an expanded worldview and realize they've been brainwashed all their lives. At least, that's what happened to *me*...
I never knew political science is a "science". I'm an engineering student. I study REAL science. Some of the greatest scientists like Einstein and Isaac Newton were believers in god. Understanding God's laws are what drove them actually.
The truth is that all these snobby Libs, like Cenk, NEVER took anything past Biology 101 when doing their Liberal Journalism 101 degrees, that they like to think make them educated and scientific. Pretty funny. Truth doesn't need institutions Cenk.
@WoodyAmerica Yeah, well I'm an engineering graduate, and *surprise surprise* belief in god is not the least bit required in this line of work. Einstein and Newton came up with their useful ideas by studying the world, not religious texts.
@ajradecki9292 Oh, look, someone who thinks the statistics on the atheist population are accurate. They aren't.
The surveys to measure the atheist demographic are usually crap, counting atheists as completely separate from any type of agnostic or Buddhist, and not asking the right question.
@ajradecki9292 1. Someone claiming religion doesn't stop them from being atheist. Being atheist also doesn't stop people from having irrational beliefs. Your statistics are crap.
2. A lot of people who are atheist will say they are agnostic, because of the stigma attached to atheism. Again, your statistics are CRAP.
right-wing christians hold intelligent people dedicated to honest inquiry in contempt. They hate education, and then whine persecution that the modern world is leaving them behind.
This demographic is going to become a hotbed for domestic terrorism some day soon. They're like the American form of Islamists; they despise anyone not like them.
@AntidoteY Look up the statistics, and you'll find that the best-educated people, according to many standardized tests, are home schooled. Who home schools the most? Oh, yeah, CHRISTIANS. Many of us tire of leftists' simplistic arguments about U.S. Christians becoming the next Taliban.
@AntidoteY Why, you apparently disdain Christians more than you do Muslim extremists, who have killed far more Westerners recently. You must go back centuries to find anything similar on the Christian side. Christians have evolved, but in the petty YouTube video comment wars that the likes of you foment, it's more fun to pretend Christians haven't. Isn't it? Tell the truth, AntidoteY. Yeah, it sucks to get owned. Doesn't it. You might want to put a bandage on that.
@bws1971 I am grateful for the amusement your reactionary, blather-laden comment has provided for me.
Christian fundamentalism continues to provide superstructural support not only to US Imperialism and Militarism (responsible for countless deaths in the past 50 years, partially due to the fanatical anti-socialism) but to countless pro-Church despotisms in Latin America. Arguably the greatest genocide in history, that of the indigenous American peoples, was done under the banner..
@bws1971 of Christianity by the nations of Portugal, Spain, and the United States. At no point did I dismiss the dangers of radical Islam..but let's not forget that the major nuclear arsenal is in the hands of...the US, and virtually all of the long-term conflicts in the past 20 years have been...involving the US or its client states. Christianity gives ideological support to the chronic violence of the reactionary imperialist NATO nations. Read history and study current events, sir.
Professors do push their theories on you as facts. I go to a Jesuit College, and a priest gave us his historical interpretation, which was very liberal. A month into my second semester I realized his interpretation isn't del accepted. It is ignorant to think that professors don't give you their theories. Other professors have had us read very fiscally conservative books. Education is important, but it is ignorant to think that only facts taught
What's wrong with you people? Why does it have to either be god exists or science is right? Why can't it be fucking both? Does nobody think it's possible for there to have been a big bang and still be a god? Does nobody think it's possible that when god created us in "his own image" that it means a general structure of our bodies (nearly all animals have the same bones as humans)? Just because some things in the bible may be wrong doesn't mean there is no god, he didn't write it.
@Jacobnielson Nothing wrong, plenty of people think that way, but Rick Santorum is not one of those. He is anti-science and that's what the video is about.
@familyguyad It is sadly because of how the people votes. The American people are daft, as fuck. At least the old ones. The youth however... they are bright. Most of them are. I'm happy to be one, and still say... I am a kid, and TRAGICALLY, a hell of a lot smarter than most adults out there. - Be careful with what you do, adults. Mess with us kids and teens, and you will regret it later.
I think I should start saving money and studying some foreign languages. If anyone like him gets elected president I have to be prepared to leave asap
@mantorman1 Lol I have thought about it several times. For me its between England, Canada, and Japan. As I am a huge fan of Japanese culture. Unfortunately japanese is a very difficult language to learn lol
Conservatives are assholes. universities are probably the last place in america where people dont talk religious gibberish to prove their point. instead they use REAL evidence. Santorum is a medievalist.
@ruy1981 you got me there. I am a life long liberal yet I voted for W Bush the first time. But thats the beauty of an independent thinker. I knew I had made a mistake and in 2004 I voted for Kerry and in 2008 for Obama. Unlike the retards that call themselves republicans I dont follow anyone around like a sheep. But like I said before, I learned my lesson. Its Obama for me in 2011.
"If they succeed in establishing religion as a basic Republican Party tenet, they could do us in...When you say 'radical right' today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye."
How can u be suprised, this is a party that worshiped Sarah Palin for being a moron and are now beting the farm on this religious warrior this says alot about the republican party im telling you I see civial war in the future of this country.
ALRIGHTY RICK! Lets do what we can to keep our kids stupid. Hell, lets just save our money and send them to church twice on Sundays instead so that they can go through life as ignorant, religious automatons who can then be blindly manipulated by those in power.
I am tired of this guy! Is this all he can talk about?! Not every person in this country is Christian! There are other REAL issues plaguing this country, the explosion of ignorance for one. He talks like a minor party candidate and there is no way he will be elected.
No offense to non-believers, but intelligent people with faith won't let go of their faith with more education. It's called "faith" because it's literally the belief in something that "be not as though it were." If you believed in the Bible literally when you were 18 and were a staunch atheist by 22, you probably aren't very intelligent.
Science or a secular education equates to critical thinking and is perceived as a direct threat to blind faith and is therefore discouraged by delusional Christians. Proverbs 3:5 states: "Trust in the Lord with all of your heart, on your intelligence rely not." The Bible literally demands people to disregard critical thinking and repress their cognitive ability. Clearly the passage promotes stupidity and blind obedience. Christians are fucking retarded!
@howtofindaflashlight History is an art? Weird, I thought it was supposed to be fact based, not some subjective subject like the dance, music, etc. But can you explain how a philosophy or literature course could be made 'liberal' in the political use of the word? And just because you're taught something doesn't mean you have to buy into it...it's called choice. By the way, if you're not a 'liberal' why would you attend a college that you think is?
Yes, education based on facts and proof does indeed kill ignorance based on beliefs and faith but that is hardly a "liberal" agenda. It just is what it is ... an education. FUCK YOU frothy.
Apparently, this is the kind of thing that kills, with a Republican audience! Looks like there's way too many facts taught in colleges, we better start mixing them with some superstition and ignorance, to gain the support of Republicans!
Given how bad the education system in America is compared to the rest of the world, do we need a guy with these kinds of attitudes about education as POTUS? Does Santorum really want to win the Whitehouse or what??? He cant say things like this and be serious right?!? lol.
Typical right wing paranoia. Teaching people science, based on facts, is considered by Santorum to be "indoctrination". Brainwashing little children into a religion: oh, that's OK! What a complete and utter shameless anti-scientific whore this man is!
Message to all scientists and to anyone that cares about scientific truth: NEVER vote for a social conservative donkey like this man.
Social conservatives hate science and they hate educated people, because we don't buy their bullshit "faith".
For my own entertainment, I like to go to Starbucks and start an argument about Iran or illegal immigration with the products of liberal universities who sit there for eight hours talking about hip bands and writers. I'll typically say that I think Muslims should be carefully screened when entering the United States to get a few of them to scream, "YOU'RE A RACIST HATE MONGER!" and leave the joint. Then I'll talk about a third of prison inmates being illegals to have the place to myself.
@IWEEW Yes, Muslims should be carefully screened when entering the United States. EVERYONE should be carefully screened when entering the United States. It's the singling out of certain groups that bothers me.
@jhillst Do you know what occurs in countries with Sharia law? Are you aware of the state of Iran? The irresponsible thing to do is to NOT single out Muslims.
@IWEEW Yes, I know what occurs *in those countries.* That doesn't mean that American Muslims are engaging in the same practices. Nationality often has a much bigger influence on one's worldview than religion does.
Also, the reason that many Muslims want to come to America or other Western nations is so they can *escape* countries with those laws and conditions.
@IWEEW Actually, many of the horrible deeds committed in Islamic theocracies are not actually envisioned in the Sharia Law. In it's basic, original form, Sharia Law is now different than current Jewish civil law. Of course, that hasn't stopped fanatics from twisting the law and transforming it into an instrument for the greatest attrocities.
I'd recommend you do a little research. Try the "Islamophobia for dummies" vids.
@IWEEW You're making a mistake by assuming that the culture of Arab/Middle-Eastern countries is directly tied to the Muslim faith. There are numerous Muslims in America and Europe, for instance, who don't believe in oppressing women or having multiple wives.
Even in Christian nations you can find a lot of differences from country to country -- in England, for instance, hardly anyone takes the creation myth in Genesis literally like many in the U.S. do.
@jhillst I was making a generalization. You're like so many people in that you think citing examples of the opposite of a generalization makes that generalization invalid. I think it's more that just a coincidence that pretty much every country with a Muslim majority is far less advanced than any society that's majority Christian.
@IWEEW You're correct about Muslim-dominated countries being less advanced. But again, this shouldn't be a reason to be suspicious of every Muslim who comes to America. As I said before, many Muslims come to the West because they dislike their country's customs and want to escape them.
And, following your original statement, I think it's also more than just a coincidence that many countries with a secular majority (like northern Europe) are more advanced than most religious nations.
@jhillst I never said it's a reason to be suspicious of every single Muslim who comes here. I was simply making a generalization about the Muslim religion. You might have a point about majority secular nations, but all fall short of America.
@IWEEW All nations fall short of America? Sorry, but that's hard to accept. Many nations like Canada, New Zealand and much of Europe have surpassed us in many ways. Northern Europe in particular -- look at ANY list that ranks countries on different positive attrobutes (low crime, personal freedom, low political corruption, etc,) and on all those lists you'll see that most of the countries near the top are Scandinavian.
America may be the world's richest nation, but wealth isn't everything.
@jhillst I don't think we live in the same universe if you think any nation gives its citizens more personal freedom that the United States. And when it comes to power, wealth IS everything.
@IWEEW I don't give a shit about how "powerful" the United States is. Throughout history, ALL powerful nations eventually fell by destroying themselves from within, and the U.S. could very well be the next one on the list if we're not careful.
And, numerous European countries DO give greater personal freedom than the U.S. does. They don't have stupid laws against things like marijuana use, gay marriage, or women breastfeeding children in public.
@jhillst If it's more important for you to be able to smoke pot and watch a baby being breastfed in public than to be able to do what you want with YOUR OWN MONEY, I frankly don't want to know you at all. I was talking about the most important personal freedom (to me, at least): economic freedom.
@IWEEW Freedom is freedom. You have to look at ALL personal freedoms; you can't pick one and say it outweighs all others. And yes, I do think having the right to marry whomever you want or to put whatever you want into your own body is at least as important as doing what you want with your money.
BTW, America doesn't even have the most economic freedom. The latest Heritage Foundation study ranked it at #10. The top five were Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand and Switzerland.
This channel would be more entertaining if every single video didn't contain textbook, robotic rebuttals of every single thing Republicans do. Aren't liberals the people who stress that the world is made up of "shades of grey," instead of blacks and whites? And even though I don't totally agree with him, Santorum has a point about colleges. Campuses are full of morons whose brains have very clearly been washed out by a liberal ideology.
@IWEEW You haven't watched very much of the channel. They've made plenty of criticisms of Obama and other Democrats as well. And considering that much of the criticism of Republicans stems from sources like talk radio and Fox News, I think their critiques are pretty sensible,
And I find it strange that you'd accuse them of making "textbook" arguments when you make one of the biggest blanket, textbook statments of all by accusing college students as "washed out by a liberal ideology."
Hmm, so educating people makes them turn away from religion? My god! This has to be stopped, keep everyone ignorant and stupid and they'll keep worshiping bronze age Middle Eastern sky deities!
He is just proving the fact that the better educated people are the less likely they are to believe the outdated religious BS. Religion has been keeping people uneducated for thousands of years, that's the only way that they can keep the gullible believing it. They treat people like mushrooms ~ Keep them in the dark & feed them on BS.
@ACCSESS247 How dare you say that, religion in not anything bad. There are just different interpretations of what is in the bible.Not everything that the Church says is correct. If the Big Bang theory is correct then it proves what the bible was correct.Educated people have religions too, besmirching on that ideology is very ignorant.
@KOICrowz How is religion bad ? The 10 Commandments are perfectly sound.
BY telling people not to kill, cheat on your wife, steal, and so on. ( oh how horrible)
How does the Bible make God incompetent he didn't write nor did Jesus.The disciples and other people wrote the bible, obviously somethings are going to be stretched to fit on the parchment(it was expensive.)The big bang theory ( how did the universe get to that state?)IF u read the bible you would know what i am talking about.
@djanusia1 Why? It has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
@djanusia1 Also, the bible says nothing about the big bang. If you would read it you would realize that it says "And god said... and it was so." This is not the big bang; this is a magic man speaking things into existence via incantation.
@djanusia1 Religion is toxic. The ten commandments are plagurized from previous codes of conduct. You do not have to believe in an invisible sky being to follow and obey accepted norms. Google something from nothing and you will see a physicist who shows how not only did the big bang happen but that it was inevitable. If you read the bible it proves only that you are not illiterate. Peace
@djanusia1 The 10 commandments? Are you joking? The first four are entirely wasted on God's insecurities. Adultery is on there, but not rape. Not to mention, SLAVERY is fucking endorsed by the Bible.
..Your excuse is that it was expensive..? Could God not, I don't know, create parchment for them..? I mean, fucking really, that was about as pathetic of an excuse as they come.
I bet you don't even know what the big bang theory is.
@KOICrowz I'll agree with djanusia and say that religion is not at all bad. There are not many different interpretations of the Bible (that is a protestant idea). Everything the Church teaches infallibly is infallible. The Big Bang theory does not prove God, nor does it disprove God. You may very well be wrong. to think otherwise is arrogant. I admit, I may be wrong. Perhaps there is not a God. However, I believe I am right and there is a loving God. You must admit that God may exist.
@KOICrowz Morality is by its very nature rigid. Certain actions are always wrong. Unjust (I only say unjust because technically prisoners are at times and justly slaves) slavery is okay when...
The Big Bang and evolution do not disprove anything if you understand the Bible and take it in context. The Catholic Church does not hold and never has held that one must take the stories of the Old Testament literally and historically.
@bousquet92 No, morality is not rigid. Morality varies GREATLY by culture, society, time period, etc. Hell, the definition of murder varies to this very day.
I don're care what the Catholic Church says. They're dishonest hypocrites. To say that Genesis is not to be taken literally is an absolute lie. Without it, Jesus doesn't make sense, and the entire Bible falls apart. And who is to say what should be interpreted literally? That just proves the moronic nature of Christianity, and the Bible.
@KOICrowz Morality varying greatly by culture doesn't mean something deemed moral in a culture is indeed moral. Slavery for hundreds of years was "moral" in the Americas, but now we know that it is immoral. Slavery was never moral. In some cultures human sacrifice was moral, but we know that human sacrifice is immoral. In some cultures pedophilia (well, marrying young 12-13 year old girls) is deemed moral, but we know that it is immoral.
@KOICrowz I never said I was. I said that morality is absolute. I never claimed that I was the all knowing moral ninja. I intentionally said unjust slavery (prisoners could currently be considered slaves if we force them to pick up trash off of the side of the road for no wages, and that is the slavery of the bible. Oh, and indentured servitude, which is also wrong, but really no different than having a contract). Aside for Genesis, where a man does not actually sacrifice his son, where is...
@bousquet92 Okay, see, you have no idea what you're talking about. You're asserting that morality is absolute, even though it factually varies based on countless things, especially context. This is you asserting a greater knowledge of morality than EVERYONE else. You're playing god.
No, our current prison system is not equivalent to Biblical slavery. You're bullshitting there.
I don't even have to mention anyone but Jesus. He supposedly 'sacrificed' himself to appease God. THAT COUNTS.
@KOICrowz I'm not playing God. Context is inherently tied to morality. Murdering someone is always wrong. Killing someone is not always wrong. Ultimately God judges each individual based on their heart.
Our prison system isn't equivalent. The prisoners aren't forced to do as hard/dangerous of labor, but the fact that they are forced to work against there will is following the same basic principle.
@bousquet92 Well done. You're one of the many people who believe that they should follow the teachings of someone who sacrificed himself to his father, who also happens to be him, to make up for a woman made from the rib of a man made from dust eating a magical apple because she was tricked by a talking snake. That makes perfect sense.
Also Jesus didn't sacrifice himself. The Romans killed him because he was spreading a different religion from what they practiced.
@bousquet92 Well done. You're one of the many people who believe that they should follow the teachings of someone who sacrificed himself to his father, who also happens to be him, to make up for a woman made from the rib of a man made from dust eating a magical apple because she was tricked by a talking snake. That makes perfect sense.
Also Jesus didn't sacrifice himself. The Romans killed him because he was spreading a different religion from what they practiced.
@Nebuli2 He is not his Father. All three of them (the father, Son and Holy Spirit) are different persons. It is sort of like the sun. There is the sun, and then the sun produces light and heat (forget science for a moment and just think about its function). I don't believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, and the Catholic Church never has required that, so I am not going to address that unless you want me to. The Romans killed him because the Jewish Pharisees wanted to kill him...
@bousquet92 So you're saying that Christianity is polytheistic? Also, I assume that you don't believe in a literal translation of the Bible. Very few people do, but that doesn't demean the fact that if it isn't true, the rest of the religion makes no sense, and we know that the really weird stuff isn't true. So, that means that Christianity really has nothing to base itself off.
@Nebuli2 No, three persons of the trinity make up one God. We only have one sun, but the sun has many different functions (its an imperfect example but the closest I can come up with at the moment). The scientific and historical aspects of the Bible are not literal (depending on the story). However, there is original sin. It just didn't necessarily happen with a snake and an apple etc. The fall of man is still present, so the need for redemption is as well.
@bousquet92 Well, strictly speaking, all of the benefits from our Sun could be boiled down to the simple fact that it emits electromagnetic waves.
Also, regarding religion, I think it is futile to believe in any specific religion. Each has its own dogma, and there are an infinite number of possibilities of religions which can be true.
Also, I would like solid evidence for the Fall of Man. Until it can be proven true or false, it must not be regarded as fact.
@Nebuli2 That is why I said in my first argument using it to forget about science in order to understand my example. The fall of man happened before the recording of time. That is like asking me to prove that a t-rex is a specific color. I could hypothesize, but I couldn't definitively say it is this color. You have to believe in tradition, or more importantly oral tradition in order to believe it is true. I believe it is factual. I can't prove it empirically. I guess I could try and come up...
@bousquet92 The fact that none of this can be proven is exactly why people don't believe Christianity. It's also a lot of the same reason why Christians don't believe in other religions.
@Nebuli2 I'm aware of that. I only comment when people make claims that one must be ignorant to believe in religion or when someone comments on something I write about religion. I believe mush of it is faith, but I also believe that it doesn't contradict reason.
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There are plenty of churches located around college campuses. You want religious bullshit? You go to church and melt your mind there. Problem solved. See? Everyone has the right to be as retarded as you Santorum, they just have to take advantage of their opportunities to do so.
SforzandoFilms 3 hours ago
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SforzandoFilms 3 hours ago
College kills religion because education makes people less likely to believe in religious bullshit.
PinuyashaRPG 4 hours ago
Don't know about you all, but when I was in university, my professors allowed us to ask QUESTIONS during the lectures. Never seen a priest or pastor do that during sermons.
And this trouser stain has the nerve to accuse academia of "indoctrination."
rnalithe00 18 hours ago
And yet the countries with the highest respect and appreciation for education and least religious people tend to be the best places to live. Right-wingers want America to be more like Saudi Arabia. My question is: why?
rnalithe00 18 hours ago
@rnalithe00 "Best place to live" is subjective. Native American's would have been a terrible place to live according to Europeans, yet they were far happier before being "civilized."
bousquet92 18 hours ago
@rnalithe00 Sorry that was poorly written, but I think you get my point.
bousquet92 18 hours ago
@rnalithe00 By the way, I agree that education is very important. I am majoring in education. I just don't buy the 'best place to live" arguments.
bousquet92 18 hours ago
@bousquet92 If you'd like a more objective rating system, the Global Peace Index has given significantly higher rankings to countries with the highest atheist populations than countries with the highest christian populations (and no surprise that the countries with the highest Muslim populations and Israel rank the lowest).
rnalithe00 18 hours ago
@rnalithe00 That has nothing to do with happiness. Militarism is one of the key measurements. You don't seriously believe that religion is the key factor in that measurement do you? Perhaps that is true with Muslim held territory and Israel, but in the United States I don't see how you could jump to religion. Religion causes murder in the United States? Religion is the reason we have a large army? Religion is the reason we went to war in Afghanistan (our religion)? I don't think so.
bousquet92 18 hours ago
@rnalithe00 Religion is the reason we have the gun control laws we do?
bousquet92 18 hours ago
@rnalithe00 Russia is also one of the lowest. Many of the more religious areas have also been oppressed for hundreds of years. I would say poverty may be a much stronger indicator.
bousquet92 17 hours ago
@rnalithe00 North Korea is also really, really low.
bousquet92 17 hours ago
What...the...hell...is this....? "Separation of Church and State" Love the comments after the video that's for sure.
TheWalkyak 19 hours ago
Amen.
Jarmo187 23 hours ago
Santorum is unconstitutional. In other words he is traitor. How can anyone elect someone who would have to lie to take the oath of office.
problemnation 1 day ago
Nearly 100% of babies who enter the world without a faith conviction are forced to adhere to one.
SarahPalinQuit 1 day ago
Free thinking is bad?
RivaWitch 1 day ago
Here's another example: Prayer, proven by science to aid in healing physical ailments, enjoys little sanctuary on secular college campuses. Where's the embrace of science in that one? You people are a joke, and your antics would be funny if they were so dangerous to the fabric of our society.
bws1971 1 day ago
@bws1971 *weren't so dangerous...
bws1971 1 day ago
@bws1971 Prayer is not proven by science to heal you fucking idiot. There is no empirical data at all to prove that. God shitheads like you make me think why we have well tested theories from germ theory to GR and QFT when we can just use fucking prayers to heal wounds.
floopsie666 22 hours ago
@floopsie666 Hey, ass face, all we have to do here is direct attention to who can write in a grammatically correct fashion vs. who can't. That ought to demonstrate to everyone who the shithead is. Nice faulty if-then logic there, too, champ. *Who* said prayer is all we need? NOBODY did. It's intellectually recalcitrant shit-for-brains, such as you, who draw that false conclusion every time you hear anything about prayer. So STFU, and, oh, you're welcome for the edification.
bws1971 22 hours ago
@floopsie666 I can't find your other comment, so I'll respond to it here, where you'll see. College and trade school are two different things. If you don't aspire to go to college, but instead to learn a trade, then you're not fucking pathetic, and your comment purposely fails to acknowledge that. How many young people out there have useless, worthless college degrees? Too many do, and we ought to be bring back apprenticeships. I learned more on the job than in graduate school.
bws1971 22 hours ago
Santorum isn't speaking about science and math, as *if* the panelists in the video didn't already know that; he's referring to the agenda-driven curricula now dominating campuses worldwide. College students now hear angry professors team them that every male is a potential racist, and young minds soak the hateful, extreme, dogmatic faux philosophy of militant feminism, taught as unquestionable, established theory.
bws1971 1 day ago
@bws1971 "every male is a potential rapist," not "racist," but you guys get my point. Being called racist all the time, just because you believe in sound accounting, debt management and small government, can result in that typo every once in a while.
bws1971 1 day ago
The second half of this video is an excellent example of indoctrination. Simple-mindedness on the part of the left continues to get play among the yet-to-be-educated set. It's a shame and leads to a lamentably one-dimensional view of conservatism.
bws1971 1 day ago
"I earned my Bachelors of Science and went onto my Masters. Currently debating a PHD" Yet the user of this video roams youtube bashing Christians with the same useless insults. How intellectual.
PassageOfChrist 1 day ago
Santorum is appealing to conservative who have never spent a minute in college,
don't have a clue, so are guilible to dis-information.
PacificCircle1 1 day ago
Dude is throwing the election...
hecklerhouse 1 day ago
Maybe that's because religion is a dead concept that was used to control the ignorant masses back IN THE DARK AGES. College educated adults have the ability to think for themselves and relise there is no man in the sky making sure you do the right thing.
DylanSfield 1 day ago
@DylanSfield I am a college educated adult. I don't believe there is a man in the sky. I believe He is omnipresent. Religion also existed before the dark ages and long after the dark ages. Actually, it still exists today. Atheism wasn't a big thing, even in the renaissance. There were a few atheists, but most believed in a God, and most believed in the Christian God. I feel like I have debated you before on this and we agreed that one did not have to be ignorant to believe in God. Maybe not...
bousquet92 1 day ago
Fuck you, Santorum. This country doesn't want you. Your day is over, you religious nut job.
mouthyweasel 1 day ago
Yeah, don't go to college if you want to get all....smart and shit...might lose your religious convictions, then you wouldn't vote for a traitor like Santorum
PlanetoftheeAtheists 1 day ago 7
Well it's one thing to lie as a troll on the internet, but making up stuff as a politician? This was just recent on CNN. 25% of students who leave college become more faithful in their religion. 7% lose their faith. 64% curve their faith (still believe in it but don't practice it as much as they used to,) and 4% are the same going into college as they do leaving college . The fact that Rick attacks higher level institutions just shows how he's trying to pick up lower educated people's votes.
dclaver2 1 day ago
Of course he and all the other religious zealots want people to be uneducated and ignorant. Then the people are easier to control.
pfzornak53z 1 day ago 11
"If they taught Judeo-Christian values at universities, they would be stripped of every dollar. If they teach radical secularism, they get all the government support."
Well yeah, the government can't endorse religion, which includes teaching it at public universities. It's frightening that someone this close to being president doesn't understand something that fundamental about American government. What is "radical secularism" anyways? We really really really REALLY don't endorse this religion?
Kupoization 1 day ago
We leave without faith convictions is because WE LEARN THINGS! Religion is based on blind faith that something happened, where as college teaches one to think and examine for themselves.
EnderZ13 1 day ago
62% of children who enter college?
I don't know about you guys, but I was an ADULT when I entered college. You want to talk about indoctrination?
Nearly 100% of babies born without a faith conviction are forced into one. THAT IS INDOCTRINATION, YOU MORON.
SarahPalinQuit 1 day ago
Is the Santorum running for president or pope?
46619TAB 2 days ago
Isn't this why the x-tians have there own schoosl and colleges??? Then why does it need to be a part of the public education... If people wanted their kids to be in x-tian based schools then they should send them...And I am also against prayer in public schools, too...
ValyTraveler 2 days ago
Cenk....college professers push liberalism, marxism, that is what we mean. For jeez sake, EVEN YOU must admit that.
calimar28 2 days ago
@calimar28 By "push liberalism and marxism", you mean they teach what they actually are, instead of getting a skewed version of it from Fox News.
rnalithe00 18 hours ago
@rnalithe00 No, they indoctronate the kids with their marxist garbage. I would love to see the north agree to let the south be free and split off from the USA. Why do you liberals feel it nessacary for the south to be part of the US? We always vote republican anyway...why dont you just let us go?
calimar28 17 hours ago
@calimar28 lol
rnalithe00 17 hours ago
@calimar28 LMAO.
TheOrangeAlex 17 hours ago
taliban for the west..
AtheistCitizen 2 days ago
OMG, this is a potential candidate for managing the most powerful nation on earth? If there is a god, Santorum clearly misinterpreted his intentions.
gerjaison 2 days ago
Well let me put it this way, I went to college, now in university.
I discovered the wonders or sex, love, drink and partying.
Don't need a god, I AM God, as is everyone else on this earth.
And finally, get your fucking hands out of your pockets, Rick.
You vapid cretin.
higofyp 2 days ago
Ironically Rick Santorum hates Muslims yet he shames the same ideals as Boko Haram.
MysteryMixes 2 days ago
@MysteryMixes the Santorum hates anyone NOT LIKE HIM!
46619TAB 2 days ago
aaah rick its called education ......once you use your brain you leave your invisible friends in the dust....
freedom1234573 2 days ago
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"62% of kids who go to college who have a faith conviction leave without it" Um, if this is true (where does this statistic come from?)...yeeeeah, people who go to college probably stop being religious because they have an expanded worldview and realize they've been brainwashed all their lives. At least, that's what happened to *me*...
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ZirrahOutLoud 2 days ago
He seems to be confusing the word "indoctrination" with "education".
Evker0 2 days ago
i wish they would :/
MrZombieRyan 2 days ago
I never knew political science is a "science". I'm an engineering student. I study REAL science. Some of the greatest scientists like Einstein and Isaac Newton were believers in god. Understanding God's laws are what drove them actually.
The truth is that all these snobby Libs, like Cenk, NEVER took anything past Biology 101 when doing their Liberal Journalism 101 degrees, that they like to think make them educated and scientific. Pretty funny. Truth doesn't need institutions Cenk.
WoodyAmerica 2 days ago
@WoodyAmerica Einstein at best was a deist, and Newton was born in the 1600's and practiced alchemy.
KOICrowz 2 days ago
@WoodyAmerica Yeah, well I'm an engineering graduate, and *surprise surprise* belief in god is not the least bit required in this line of work. Einstein and Newton came up with their useful ideas by studying the world, not religious texts.
rnalithe00 18 hours ago
Haha I went to a Catholic University that was pretty conservative. I knew plenty of other "secular" students that were there with me.
ScaperSteph 2 days ago
Rick Sanatorium is a law school college elitist and now apparently a public hypocrite.
Tsnore 2 days ago
these subtitles from TyT is like 900% wrong from what cenk is actually saying.
hendtheeternal 3 days ago
If 63% of people who went into college with faith left without, wouldn't atheists be more than 10% of population?
ajradecki9292 3 days ago
@ajradecki9292 Oh, look, someone who thinks the statistics on the atheist population are accurate. They aren't.
The surveys to measure the atheist demographic are usually crap, counting atheists as completely separate from any type of agnostic or Buddhist, and not asking the right question.
KOICrowz 2 days ago
@KOICrowz I'm going by the fact that 90% of the world population identifies as religious.
ajradecki9292 2 days ago
@ajradecki9292 1. Someone claiming religion doesn't stop them from being atheist. Being atheist also doesn't stop people from having irrational beliefs. Your statistics are crap.
2. A lot of people who are atheist will say they are agnostic, because of the stigma attached to atheism. Again, your statistics are CRAP.
KOICrowz 2 days ago
@ajradecki9292 Maybe the rest left with the belief in a Deity yet felt religion was full of shit?
ScaperSteph 2 days ago
Give it up Santorum the whole world is laughing at you
RapLegendsRelapse 3 days ago
right-wing christians hold intelligent people dedicated to honest inquiry in contempt. They hate education, and then whine persecution that the modern world is leaving them behind.
This demographic is going to become a hotbed for domestic terrorism some day soon. They're like the American form of Islamists; they despise anyone not like them.
AntidoteY 3 days ago
@AntidoteY Look up the statistics, and you'll find that the best-educated people, according to many standardized tests, are home schooled. Who home schools the most? Oh, yeah, CHRISTIANS. Many of us tire of leftists' simplistic arguments about U.S. Christians becoming the next Taliban.
bws1971 22 hours ago
@AntidoteY Why, you apparently disdain Christians more than you do Muslim extremists, who have killed far more Westerners recently. You must go back centuries to find anything similar on the Christian side. Christians have evolved, but in the petty YouTube video comment wars that the likes of you foment, it's more fun to pretend Christians haven't. Isn't it? Tell the truth, AntidoteY. Yeah, it sucks to get owned. Doesn't it. You might want to put a bandage on that.
bws1971 22 hours ago
@bws1971 I am grateful for the amusement your reactionary, blather-laden comment has provided for me.
Christian fundamentalism continues to provide superstructural support not only to US Imperialism and Militarism (responsible for countless deaths in the past 50 years, partially due to the fanatical anti-socialism) but to countless pro-Church despotisms in Latin America. Arguably the greatest genocide in history, that of the indigenous American peoples, was done under the banner..
AntidoteY 17 hours ago
@bws1971 of Christianity by the nations of Portugal, Spain, and the United States. At no point did I dismiss the dangers of radical Islam..but let's not forget that the major nuclear arsenal is in the hands of...the US, and virtually all of the long-term conflicts in the past 20 years have been...involving the US or its client states. Christianity gives ideological support to the chronic violence of the reactionary imperialist NATO nations. Read history and study current events, sir.
AntidoteY 17 hours ago
College donst kill religion, facts do
HawxKid 3 days ago 11
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HawxKid 3 days ago
*well
bousquet92 3 days ago
Professors do push their theories on you as facts. I go to a Jesuit College, and a priest gave us his historical interpretation, which was very liberal. A month into my second semester I realized his interpretation isn't del accepted. It is ignorant to think that professors don't give you their theories. Other professors have had us read very fiscally conservative books. Education is important, but it is ignorant to think that only facts taught
bousquet92 3 days ago
Magnets, how do they work?!
mindthepixi 3 days ago
Maybe Rick Santorum disagrees with college because he wants to keep the American people uneducated, so they continue to vote Republican?
PIXELEDsamm 3 days ago 2
@PIXELEDsamm Basically yes.
caesar10022 3 days ago
is he part of a cult or something! crazy!
jadejohnson22 3 days ago
What's wrong with you people? Why does it have to either be god exists or science is right? Why can't it be fucking both? Does nobody think it's possible for there to have been a big bang and still be a god? Does nobody think it's possible that when god created us in "his own image" that it means a general structure of our bodies (nearly all animals have the same bones as humans)? Just because some things in the bible may be wrong doesn't mean there is no god, he didn't write it.
Jacobnielson 3 days ago 4
@Jacobnielson Nothing wrong, plenty of people think that way, but Rick Santorum is not one of those. He is anti-science and that's what the video is about.
MastermindX 3 days ago
@Jacobnielson Finally there is someone that thinks the same way I do I applaud you man
rhymenoceros3303 1 day ago
It's interesting that Santorum says "62% of CHILDREN that enter college.."
Colleges are mostly attended by ADULTS not children.
TheCanadianDude 3 days ago 3
Godamit! why do we have morons like these leading our country?
familyguyad 3 days ago 19
@familyguyad It is sadly because of how the people votes. The American people are daft, as fuck. At least the old ones. The youth however... they are bright. Most of them are. I'm happy to be one, and still say... I am a kid, and TRAGICALLY, a hell of a lot smarter than most adults out there. - Be careful with what you do, adults. Mess with us kids and teens, and you will regret it later.
ShadowReubenKee 3 days ago
@familyguyad because you guys are letting them. Just kick em out.
ace0135 2 days ago
"Reality has a well known liberal bias".
RaynMan718 3 days ago 5
If Rick Santorum takes over America, China will conquer them with flying colours.
leegeorgeson 3 days ago
Well gee, smart people don't believe in religion. Who knew.
leegeorgeson 3 days ago
I think I should start saving money and studying some foreign languages. If anyone like him gets elected president I have to be prepared to leave asap
XxSequndaEtapaXx 3 days ago
@XxSequndaEtapaXx come to Canada, we're nearby, speak English, and there aren't idiots like Rick here :)
mantorman1 3 days ago
@mantorman1 Lol I have thought about it several times. For me its between England, Canada, and Japan. As I am a huge fan of Japanese culture. Unfortunately japanese is a very difficult language to learn lol
XxSequndaEtapaXx 3 days ago
Secularism now, Secularism forever.!!!
contacter 3 days ago 37
Conservatives are assholes. universities are probably the last place in america where people dont talk religious gibberish to prove their point. instead they use REAL evidence. Santorum is a medievalist.
contacter 3 days ago
Who the fuck is subtitling this....fuckk..
swiftyJ88 3 days ago
Rick Santorum thinks we shouldn't go to college
GnarlyNewEngland 3 days ago
WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO VOTE FOR SANTORUM? YOU HAVE TO BE PLAIN IGNORANT TO VOTE FOR HIM
Phillysoc 3 days ago
@Phillysoc They voted for Bush Jr. twice, didn´t they?
ruy1981 3 days ago
@ruy1981 you got me there. I am a life long liberal yet I voted for W Bush the first time. But thats the beauty of an independent thinker. I knew I had made a mistake and in 2004 I voted for Kerry and in 2008 for Obama. Unlike the retards that call themselves republicans I dont follow anyone around like a sheep. But like I said before, I learned my lesson. Its Obama for me in 2011.
Phillysoc 2 days ago
"If they succeed in establishing religion as a basic Republican Party tenet, they could do us in...When you say 'radical right' today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye."
~Barry Goldwater
coyoteself 4 days ago 3
How can u be suprised, this is a party that worshiped Sarah Palin for being a moron and are now beting the farm on this religious warrior this says alot about the republican party im telling you I see civial war in the future of this country.
smokesf1700 4 days ago
ALRIGHTY RICK! Lets do what we can to keep our kids stupid. Hell, lets just save our money and send them to church twice on Sundays instead so that they can go through life as ignorant, religious automatons who can then be blindly manipulated by those in power.
Can you say "Lets return to the Dark Ages?"
coyoteself 4 days ago
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I am tired of this guy! Is this all he can talk about?! Not every person in this country is Christian! There are other REAL issues plaguing this country, the explosion of ignorance for one. He talks like a minor party candidate and there is no way he will be elected.
regreg88 4 days ago
No offense to non-believers, but intelligent people with faith won't let go of their faith with more education. It's called "faith" because it's literally the belief in something that "be not as though it were." If you believed in the Bible literally when you were 18 and were a staunch atheist by 22, you probably aren't very intelligent.
IWEEW 4 days ago
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regreg88 4 days ago
Great!
TheGrunzzz 4 days ago
Aw poor lil' Ricky Butt Sauce. Waaaaa waaaaaaaaaa!
richardjeraj 4 days ago
Science or a secular education equates to critical thinking and is perceived as a direct threat to blind faith and is therefore discouraged by delusional Christians. Proverbs 3:5 states: "Trust in the Lord with all of your heart, on your intelligence rely not." The Bible literally demands people to disregard critical thinking and repress their cognitive ability. Clearly the passage promotes stupidity and blind obedience. Christians are fucking retarded!
scotttebben 4 days ago
@howtofindaflashlight History is an art? Weird, I thought it was supposed to be fact based, not some subjective subject like the dance, music, etc. But can you explain how a philosophy or literature course could be made 'liberal' in the political use of the word? And just because you're taught something doesn't mean you have to buy into it...it's called choice. By the way, if you're not a 'liberal' why would you attend a college that you think is?
drfitnessnow 4 days ago
Yes, education based on facts and proof does indeed kill ignorance based on beliefs and faith but that is hardly a "liberal" agenda. It just is what it is ... an education. FUCK YOU frothy.
CLEVELTECH 4 days ago
Apparently, this is the kind of thing that kills, with a Republican audience! Looks like there's way too many facts taught in colleges, we better start mixing them with some superstition and ignorance, to gain the support of Republicans!
vampiroangelico 5 days ago
That's why it's called an 'Education'...
Bamagirrrl 5 days ago
Given how bad the education system in America is compared to the rest of the world, do we need a guy with these kinds of attitudes about education as POTUS? Does Santorum really want to win the Whitehouse or what??? He cant say things like this and be serious right?!? lol.
RollDeep1000 5 days ago
Typical right wing paranoia. Teaching people science, based on facts, is considered by Santorum to be "indoctrination". Brainwashing little children into a religion: oh, that's OK! What a complete and utter shameless anti-scientific whore this man is!
Message to all scientists and to anyone that cares about scientific truth: NEVER vote for a social conservative donkey like this man.
Social conservatives hate science and they hate educated people, because we don't buy their bullshit "faith".
leizuoer 5 days ago
Communism on the one side (Democrats)
Medieval religious fanatics on the other (Republicans)
America is doomed. Time for China to become #1
Kuner1 5 days ago
@Kuner1 Did you really just call Democrats, "Communists"??? LOL, I WISH!
1nsultTo1njury 5 days ago
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For my own entertainment, I like to go to Starbucks and start an argument about Iran or illegal immigration with the products of liberal universities who sit there for eight hours talking about hip bands and writers. I'll typically say that I think Muslims should be carefully screened when entering the United States to get a few of them to scream, "YOU'RE A RACIST HATE MONGER!" and leave the joint. Then I'll talk about a third of prison inmates being illegals to have the place to myself.
IWEEW 6 days ago 4
@IWEEW Yes, Muslims should be carefully screened when entering the United States. EVERYONE should be carefully screened when entering the United States. It's the singling out of certain groups that bothers me.
jhillst 5 days ago
@jhillst Do you know what occurs in countries with Sharia law? Are you aware of the state of Iran? The irresponsible thing to do is to NOT single out Muslims.
IWEEW 5 days ago
@IWEEW Yes, I know what occurs *in those countries.* That doesn't mean that American Muslims are engaging in the same practices. Nationality often has a much bigger influence on one's worldview than religion does.
Also, the reason that many Muslims want to come to America or other Western nations is so they can *escape* countries with those laws and conditions.
jhillst 5 days ago
@IWEEW Actually, many of the horrible deeds committed in Islamic theocracies are not actually envisioned in the Sharia Law. In it's basic, original form, Sharia Law is now different than current Jewish civil law. Of course, that hasn't stopped fanatics from twisting the law and transforming it into an instrument for the greatest attrocities.
I'd recommend you do a little research. Try the "Islamophobia for dummies" vids.
tecaltabiano 5 days ago
@tecaltabiano I'm a proud Islamophobe. It's difficult to keep a straight face when comparing Islamic nations to Christian ones.
IWEEW 5 days ago
@IWEEW You're making a mistake by assuming that the culture of Arab/Middle-Eastern countries is directly tied to the Muslim faith. There are numerous Muslims in America and Europe, for instance, who don't believe in oppressing women or having multiple wives.
Even in Christian nations you can find a lot of differences from country to country -- in England, for instance, hardly anyone takes the creation myth in Genesis literally like many in the U.S. do.
jhillst 4 days ago
@jhillst I was making a generalization. You're like so many people in that you think citing examples of the opposite of a generalization makes that generalization invalid. I think it's more that just a coincidence that pretty much every country with a Muslim majority is far less advanced than any society that's majority Christian.
IWEEW 4 days ago
@IWEEW You're correct about Muslim-dominated countries being less advanced. But again, this shouldn't be a reason to be suspicious of every Muslim who comes to America. As I said before, many Muslims come to the West because they dislike their country's customs and want to escape them.
And, following your original statement, I think it's also more than just a coincidence that many countries with a secular majority (like northern Europe) are more advanced than most religious nations.
jhillst 4 days ago
@jhillst I never said it's a reason to be suspicious of every single Muslim who comes here. I was simply making a generalization about the Muslim religion. You might have a point about majority secular nations, but all fall short of America.
IWEEW 4 days ago
@IWEEW All nations fall short of America? Sorry, but that's hard to accept. Many nations like Canada, New Zealand and much of Europe have surpassed us in many ways. Northern Europe in particular -- look at ANY list that ranks countries on different positive attrobutes (low crime, personal freedom, low political corruption, etc,) and on all those lists you'll see that most of the countries near the top are Scandinavian.
America may be the world's richest nation, but wealth isn't everything.
jhillst 2 days ago
@jhillst I don't think we live in the same universe if you think any nation gives its citizens more personal freedom that the United States. And when it comes to power, wealth IS everything.
IWEEW 2 days ago
@IWEEW I don't give a shit about how "powerful" the United States is. Throughout history, ALL powerful nations eventually fell by destroying themselves from within, and the U.S. could very well be the next one on the list if we're not careful.
And, numerous European countries DO give greater personal freedom than the U.S. does. They don't have stupid laws against things like marijuana use, gay marriage, or women breastfeeding children in public.
jhillst 2 days ago
@jhillst If it's more important for you to be able to smoke pot and watch a baby being breastfed in public than to be able to do what you want with YOUR OWN MONEY, I frankly don't want to know you at all. I was talking about the most important personal freedom (to me, at least): economic freedom.
IWEEW 2 days ago
@IWEEW Freedom is freedom. You have to look at ALL personal freedoms; you can't pick one and say it outweighs all others. And yes, I do think having the right to marry whomever you want or to put whatever you want into your own body is at least as important as doing what you want with your money.
BTW, America doesn't even have the most economic freedom. The latest Heritage Foundation study ranked it at #10. The top five were Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand and Switzerland.
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IWEEW 6 days ago
This channel would be more entertaining if every single video didn't contain textbook, robotic rebuttals of every single thing Republicans do. Aren't liberals the people who stress that the world is made up of "shades of grey," instead of blacks and whites? And even though I don't totally agree with him, Santorum has a point about colleges. Campuses are full of morons whose brains have very clearly been washed out by a liberal ideology.
IWEEW 6 days ago
@IWEEW Holy shit, that is fucking hilarious! Are you serious? Do you really buy into that bullshit?
jessemaurais 6 days ago
@IWEEW You haven't watched very much of the channel. They've made plenty of criticisms of Obama and other Democrats as well. And considering that much of the criticism of Republicans stems from sources like talk radio and Fox News, I think their critiques are pretty sensible,
And I find it strange that you'd accuse them of making "textbook" arguments when you make one of the biggest blanket, textbook statments of all by accusing college students as "washed out by a liberal ideology."
jhillst 5 days ago
Hmm, so educating people makes them turn away from religion? My god! This has to be stopped, keep everyone ignorant and stupid and they'll keep worshiping bronze age Middle Eastern sky deities!
werebee 6 days ago
College helps one better discern reality.
Reality, is irreligious and left leaning.
Which is why the religious right wing are constant deniers of reality!
MisterEvil1 6 days ago
Yes rick you're right, education makes you stop believing in bullshit.
Monrovia92 6 days ago
He is just proving the fact that the better educated people are the less likely they are to believe the outdated religious BS. Religion has been keeping people uneducated for thousands of years, that's the only way that they can keep the gullible believing it. They treat people like mushrooms ~ Keep them in the dark & feed them on BS.
ACCSESS247 6 days ago 26
@ACCSESS247 How dare you say that, religion in not anything bad. There are just different interpretations of what is in the bible.Not everything that the Church says is correct. If the Big Bang theory is correct then it proves what the bible was correct.Educated people have religions too, besmirching on that ideology is very ignorant.
djanusia1 6 days ago
@djanusia1 "Religion in not anything bad." - What?
"There are just different interpretations of what is in the bible." - Making God incompetent, and the Bible obviously man-made.
"Not everything that the Church says is correct." - Well, no shit.
"The Big Bang theory proves the bible was correct." - This one is so stupid I feel ashamed to be a part of the same species as you.
"Educated people have religions too." - Because education = Perfection? Newton was into alchemy. They're still wrong.
KOICrowz 6 days ago
@KOICrowz How is religion bad ? The 10 Commandments are perfectly sound.
BY telling people not to kill, cheat on your wife, steal, and so on. ( oh how horrible)
How does the Bible make God incompetent he didn't write nor did Jesus.The disciples and other people wrote the bible, obviously somethings are going to be stretched to fit on the parchment(it was expensive.)The big bang theory ( how did the universe get to that state?)IF u read the bible you would know what i am talking about.
djanusia1 6 days ago
@djanusia1 Why? It has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He "loves" you.
~Carlin
micometer 6 days ago
@djanusia1 Also, the bible says nothing about the big bang. If you would read it you would realize that it says "And god said... and it was so." This is not the big bang; this is a magic man speaking things into existence via incantation.
micometer 6 days ago
@djanusia1 Religion is toxic. The ten commandments are plagurized from previous codes of conduct. You do not have to believe in an invisible sky being to follow and obey accepted norms. Google something from nothing and you will see a physicist who shows how not only did the big bang happen but that it was inevitable. If you read the bible it proves only that you are not illiterate. Peace
EattherichBuddy 6 days ago
@djanusia1 The 10 commandments? Are you joking? The first four are entirely wasted on God's insecurities. Adultery is on there, but not rape. Not to mention, SLAVERY is fucking endorsed by the Bible.
..Your excuse is that it was expensive..? Could God not, I don't know, create parchment for them..? I mean, fucking really, that was about as pathetic of an excuse as they come.
I bet you don't even know what the big bang theory is.
KOICrowz 5 days ago
@KOICrowz I'll agree with djanusia and say that religion is not at all bad. There are not many different interpretations of the Bible (that is a protestant idea). Everything the Church teaches infallibly is infallible. The Big Bang theory does not prove God, nor does it disprove God. You may very well be wrong. to think otherwise is arrogant. I admit, I may be wrong. Perhaps there is not a God. However, I believe I am right and there is a loving God. You must admit that God may exist.
bousquet92 3 days ago
@bousquet92 Religion is a rigid set of beliefs. It is inherently bad for humanity because of it's rigidness in a world of changing knowledge.
The Big Bang does disprove the Biblical God, as does Evolution. I never said either disproved the possibility of A god.
The Abrahamic one has been impossible and disproved for a good long time now. Not that he's the one your talking about, since you mentioned 'loving'.
A god might exist, but it certainly isn't one of any religion.
KOICrowz 2 days ago
@KOICrowz Morality is by its very nature rigid. Certain actions are always wrong. Unjust (I only say unjust because technically prisoners are at times and justly slaves) slavery is okay when...
The Big Bang and evolution do not disprove anything if you understand the Bible and take it in context. The Catholic Church does not hold and never has held that one must take the stories of the Old Testament literally and historically.
I was.
I obviously disagree with your last point.
bousquet92 2 days ago
@bousquet92 No, morality is not rigid. Morality varies GREATLY by culture, society, time period, etc. Hell, the definition of murder varies to this very day.
I don're care what the Catholic Church says. They're dishonest hypocrites. To say that Genesis is not to be taken literally is an absolute lie. Without it, Jesus doesn't make sense, and the entire Bible falls apart. And who is to say what should be interpreted literally? That just proves the moronic nature of Christianity, and the Bible.
KOICrowz 2 days ago
@KOICrowz Morality varying greatly by culture doesn't mean something deemed moral in a culture is indeed moral. Slavery for hundreds of years was "moral" in the Americas, but now we know that it is immoral. Slavery was never moral. In some cultures human sacrifice was moral, but we know that human sacrifice is immoral. In some cultures pedophilia (well, marrying young 12-13 year old girls) is deemed moral, but we know that it is immoral.
bousquet92 2 days ago
@bousquet92 Right, because you're the absolute guide to all things moral.
Slavery is moral according to the Bible.
Human sacrifice is moral according to the Bible.
Young marriages are moral according to a FUCKLOAD of religious texts.
KOICrowz 2 days ago
@KOICrowz I never said I was. I said that morality is absolute. I never claimed that I was the all knowing moral ninja. I intentionally said unjust slavery (prisoners could currently be considered slaves if we force them to pick up trash off of the side of the road for no wages, and that is the slavery of the bible. Oh, and indentured servitude, which is also wrong, but really no different than having a contract). Aside for Genesis, where a man does not actually sacrifice his son, where is...
bousquet92 2 days ago
@bousquet92 Okay, see, you have no idea what you're talking about. You're asserting that morality is absolute, even though it factually varies based on countless things, especially context. This is you asserting a greater knowledge of morality than EVERYONE else. You're playing god.
No, our current prison system is not equivalent to Biblical slavery. You're bullshitting there.
I don't even have to mention anyone but Jesus. He supposedly 'sacrificed' himself to appease God. THAT COUNTS.
KOICrowz 2 days ago
@KOICrowz I'm not playing God. Context is inherently tied to morality. Murdering someone is always wrong. Killing someone is not always wrong. Ultimately God judges each individual based on their heart.
Our prison system isn't equivalent. The prisoners aren't forced to do as hard/dangerous of labor, but the fact that they are forced to work against there will is following the same basic principle.
Jesus is God. He sacrificed Himself for us.
bousquet92 2 days ago
@bousquet92 Well done. You're one of the many people who believe that they should follow the teachings of someone who sacrificed himself to his father, who also happens to be him, to make up for a woman made from the rib of a man made from dust eating a magical apple because she was tricked by a talking snake. That makes perfect sense.
Also Jesus didn't sacrifice himself. The Romans killed him because he was spreading a different religion from what they practiced.
Nebuli2 1 day ago
@bousquet92 Well done. You're one of the many people who believe that they should follow the teachings of someone who sacrificed himself to his father, who also happens to be him, to make up for a woman made from the rib of a man made from dust eating a magical apple because she was tricked by a talking snake. That makes perfect sense.
Also Jesus didn't sacrifice himself. The Romans killed him because he was spreading a different religion from what they practiced.
Nebuli2 1 day ago
@Nebuli2 He is not his Father. All three of them (the father, Son and Holy Spirit) are different persons. It is sort of like the sun. There is the sun, and then the sun produces light and heat (forget science for a moment and just think about its function). I don't believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, and the Catholic Church never has required that, so I am not going to address that unless you want me to. The Romans killed him because the Jewish Pharisees wanted to kill him...
bousquet92 1 day ago
@bousquet92 So you're saying that Christianity is polytheistic? Also, I assume that you don't believe in a literal translation of the Bible. Very few people do, but that doesn't demean the fact that if it isn't true, the rest of the religion makes no sense, and we know that the really weird stuff isn't true. So, that means that Christianity really has nothing to base itself off.
Nebuli2 1 day ago
@Nebuli2 No, three persons of the trinity make up one God. We only have one sun, but the sun has many different functions (its an imperfect example but the closest I can come up with at the moment). The scientific and historical aspects of the Bible are not literal (depending on the story). However, there is original sin. It just didn't necessarily happen with a snake and an apple etc. The fall of man is still present, so the need for redemption is as well.
bousquet92 1 day ago
@bousquet92 Well, strictly speaking, all of the benefits from our Sun could be boiled down to the simple fact that it emits electromagnetic waves.
Also, regarding religion, I think it is futile to believe in any specific religion. Each has its own dogma, and there are an infinite number of possibilities of religions which can be true.
Also, I would like solid evidence for the Fall of Man. Until it can be proven true or false, it must not be regarded as fact.
Nebuli2 1 day ago
@Nebuli2 That is why I said in my first argument using it to forget about science in order to understand my example. The fall of man happened before the recording of time. That is like asking me to prove that a t-rex is a specific color. I could hypothesize, but I couldn't definitively say it is this color. You have to believe in tradition, or more importantly oral tradition in order to believe it is true. I believe it is factual. I can't prove it empirically. I guess I could try and come up...
bousquet92 1 day ago
@bousquet92 The fact that none of this can be proven is exactly why people don't believe Christianity. It's also a lot of the same reason why Christians don't believe in other religions.
Nebuli2 1 day ago
@Nebuli2 I'm aware of that. I only comment when people make claims that one must be ignorant to believe in religion or when someone comments on something I write about religion. I believe mush of it is faith, but I also believe that it doesn't contradict reason.
bousquet92 1 day ago