Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care. Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
What would make a reasonable person think this was a "real" discussion. The "talking head" - is using Fox/Frank Luntz phrasing to extract the desired "negative" connotation that they desire. "Obamacare" is not Healthcare Reform - it's what the Insurance Companies want to call it because they won't be getting our tax dollars so free and clear (which in turn end up in Boehner's pockets).
@duanescot Republicans didn't have problems spending Trillions on illegal wars, but HATE to spend OUR tax dollars on Americans. Why do you hate America? You can always leave you know. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
@KJamesB where did i say i supported republican spending? can you find even ONE reference? No, you can't, because I DONT! got it? now if you were able to think outside of the terms of a two party system, where the fantasy is that one is good, and one is bad, maybe you would of thought of that before ranting off on some tangeant that I don't resemble in the least bit!
congress makes the laws, the executive branch administers the law and the supreme court interprets the law. ...so yeah, it's a perfect recipe for distortion and perversion. also notice the IRS or Federal Reserve aren't mentioned in that clause.
One more example of government growing near a point of no return! Public sector adversly affecting the economy? Go figure!! Our government is growing out of control...and taking our kids' future with that growth. If you are worried about our children's future and are concerned about the future of American Free Enterprise, I ask that you view and pass along Chief Parenting's entry into the US Chambers "I am Free Enterprise" video contest (via our channel name link above).
@chiefparenting This is Reich Wing Propaganda (Corporate Citizens United - the Legal Propagand Arm of the RNC film division - think Joseph Geobbels).
Republicans didn't have problems spending Trillions on illegal wars, but HATE to spend OUR tax dollars on Americans. Why do you hate America? You can always leave you know. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
California has two democrat senators and 34 of 53 congressmen are Democrats. So its congress is controlled by democrats. Congress spends money, not presidents or governors. California's budget and bankroll has been ruined by democrats and their entitlement programs and now they're on their way to doing the same at the federal level.
ddkkddkk, well since we don't have "socialized" healthcare and we pay more for our healthcare than any other country in the world (17% of GNP as opposed to France at 11%) then I guess that makes you wrong. SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE (even taking the amount of taxes paid into account) IS cheaper and far more accessible. I know, you're an American and, thus, not likely to be good at math but 17% GNP for #37 world healthcare rankings is a lot more money than 11% for #1 world ranking. Spare me.
Sorry, INCOME TAX was used because there was an indiscriminate and unfair taxes used for the first century of our country's existence. I know so-called Liberatians like to harken back to a time when we were (income) tax free but that doesnt mean we were free of tax. This country had taxes from day one but often they were imposed on the least powerful industries (ie whiskey makers). But, if you don't want to pay taxes, there are plenty of HELL HOLES in the world where you don't. Enjoy!
I live in Massachusetts and we were not eligible for the state's health care, even with the breadwinner jobless. He had worked as a regional rep. (New England) for a company out of California. Even though we are MA residents and have paid income tax here every year (lots of it!), MA doesn't allow residents, who lose their out of state jobs, eligibility to get the state's health insurance. Also, Obama had changed Cobra. We couldn't get Cobra, because my husband's company had gone bankrupt. Lousy!
How is it right winged? Eventually health rationing will start. I mean Universal Healthcare will be nice in the short term but the long run it will destroy any innovations that may happen all for the sake of keeping costs down. It will just be like the piss poor social security... We'll have our children's children's pay for our healthcare.
avdquick, we already have health rationings thanks to the so-called private insurers. Sorry, a GOP that has done NOTHING for 40 years to address health care and who run RED STATES that have the highest infant mortality , lowest life expectancy, and highest number of uninsured Americans (with some of these numbers at nearly third world standards) are really in no position to tell the rest of the country how to run healthcare. Maybe they enjoy being number 37 in the world, but I don't.
@ddkkddkk111 , yes it does, and i will get a job after college is done and hopefully the stupid republicans don't destroy the university system. in many states they already have
How funny that all the socialized healthcare countries are the one in the tank right now. Spain, France, German, Greece and so on. Whats even funnier is that the Canadian Prime Minister flew down to a US hospital for Heart surgery. So how is socialized healthcare better? When even those in power dont trust their own system.
@avdquick when there no dirty republicans to cut the spending than there is no shortages. republicans cut education and health-care cause most of them don't have a college degree and inherited their money. better as in full coverage and less cost per individual because there not as greedy as a private insurance company. Put a democrat with socialized medicine and we have a perfect affordable full coverage system for all Americans and no long waits in line due to cutting spending.
But isnt there a more rampant scamming of Medical and Medicade then there is Private insurance?
You know why insurance costs so much, each state has its own requirements for insurance companies, some states have a bunch of companies in and some have few. I worked for what i have, i pay for my own insurance. Going public option not only would i pay for myself I'm paying for everyone else. How far is that to me. I should only pay for myself and only myself. Not someone who's lazy.
all the insurance company's are in a trust and agree to charge the same amount which means no competition so they can charge as much as they want. its technically a monopoly. there's no competition and greedy executives keep raising the prices from 10 -20 percent a year. state requirement has nothing to do with it. there is no scamming under socialized medicine just ask some Canadians and British people.
then if that's true instead of getting this bill pass. We as a country should put pressure on our legislators to pursue an Anti-truss case against all the companies to break up the monopoly.
Instead of trying to toss out the old system...It would be more cost effective to reform each step. You bring up Canadian, how come their Prime Minister came to a US hospital to get heart surgery instead of his own country? hmm... how odd dont you think. If they got such a grand system it begs the question
because that lousy conservative cut the spending big time and that rich bastard does not give a fuck about it and i agree about trust busting and admire Theodore Roosevelt for doing that and the health-care company s should be trust busted, price controlled and a pubic option to keep competition in check but i want government care for full coverage and less cost though. any politician that cuts education or healthcare is telling you that they don't give a fuck about you and inhumane.
the problem i have with any government control is the boards. We cannot as a people kick out appointed officials. So that means we as a people will be at the mercy of bureaucrats who dont give a damn and have a cushy job for life. I mean in CA. the AB32 bill headed by a committee that's fraudulent is going ahead and there's no way to boot out those idiot bureaucrats. I would be all for it, if there's no board that will pop up if its passed. So no I already hounded my senators to say no.
And you have a lot of control over private bureaucracts who give themselves huge salaries and deny you coverage when you need it . At least appointed public bureaucrats eventually yield to pressre from media and organized citizens groups.Listen to yourself...
So far in CA that has yet to happen to the Air Resources board, they are still going forward with a job killing bill knowing full well.
The problem I have is that were giving over power to a board that we as a people have no control over. I mean my grandparents had fights with the Medical board because of an operation. So first hand I am leery of any type of deal of this magnitude. I have a right to be.
I recall being limited by my health insurance provider on physical therapy for a broken knee, but it still ended up well.
Some patients will go on forever with treatments, especially if they are not paying out of pocket. Someone needs to put a brake on it. The doctors and other medical personnel probably won't, because they are making money on the treatments.
Well it comes down to the Union battle. Why should fat K-12 teacher unions absorb huge amounts of money for sub par teaching? Only putting in 120k and getting 4million back in retirement benefits.(using hypo numbers) we are paying huge amounts of legacy payments to state and federal unions. Working for the gov should be a duty, not just a ponzi scheme to get rich off the tax payer. that goes for both sides and their cronies.
@avdquick, My state is guilty as charged! Bloated government with ridiculously high pension liabilities. One reason I have turned on the Democrats! They'll tax your grandmother's teeth to keep the grabby unions happy!
@JBBlitz, They are cutting the budgets, because if they don't, they will need to take more taxes out of your paycheck or add taxes to your purchases. The money has to come from somewhere!
@JBBlitz, You have got to be kidding? Have you studied the states of California and Rhode Island? They are on the verge of bankruptcy, because of the Democrats. They are suffering from overspending, high taxes and huge deficits.
@yogeedogee, thanks for the California talking point. Too bad their tax structure (particularly their property tax) was set up by the GOP and their BUDGETS have to garner 2/3 a vote and thus they can't propose budgets and tax changes w/ a simple majority like elsewhere. but you can live in RED STATES who tend to take more from the federal teet than they actually contribute and then STILL end up near the bottom on most quality of life statistics. I guess it's because you GET what you PAY for.
@piorzola, The problem with the property tax is that it can tax people out of their homes, especially the elderly. It was probably getting out of control in CA, which is why there was a revolt leading to the change. There needs to be a balance. CA is spending too much and promising too much. RI is prop. tax dependent and has huge fiscal problems too. Their pension liability is unsustainable. I prefer less spending. If you don't fight it, they'll find a way to tax commenting on message boards.
yogee, you were making an argument for the shortfalls of California but don't have a working knowledge of their tax structure (and overlook that they have GOP governor right now). This is typical of the kind of half-assed info you get from the likes of neocons and "reasontv". Spew talking points w/o context or a working knowledge of what you're talking about. CA is broke because CALIFORNIA has BLUE STATE programs w/ RED STATE funding. RED STATES are not only BROKE but also have lousy programs.
yogee, and RI is having problems because the only INVESTMENT this country has encouraged under the neocons for the last 40 years is not job creation but the failed notion of the "ownership society". When peoples wages stagnate and the only revenu you have to rely on is over-inflated housing costs that are doomed to flatline, then you're doomed. Sorry, the RED STATES tax structures are lacking because a) they have the lowest wages and highest poverty rates and STILL take BLUE STATE money.
@WingChunGeologist - that's the new GOP mantra - it's the poor people and illegal aliens (i.e., minorities) fault. How about it's your inability to vote with your head and not your ignorant party - the Destruction by the Republicans must be stopped.
Republicans - let's spend Trillions on illegal wars. Yah!!!
Republicans - let's make sure NOT to spend money on America! WTF?!
@KJamesB Hmmmm, how can wars be illegal if they were authorized by Congress? That wasn't the dumbest thing you said Castro, just the one I felt like picking on
Yes California is a high tax state. We possibly have the highest state taxes in the country (although NYC taxes may be even higher).
I think that California has something like 30 percent of the welfare cases in the USA, with most of that money going to unwed mothers. This ongoing pattern of welfare spending, along with high levels of illegal immigration, has resulted in a massive inmate population that costs CA taxpayers $ Billions every year.
Oh I never said we were. I'm saying the great universal heal care has basically crippled countries like Spain and Greece. Look, if Medical and Medicade can barely function then what will the government do with the public option. I mean if it has taken the DMV almost 3 months to re-issue me a new License with my correct address. Do i really want to wait god knows how long for an appointment if I'm ill?
The fact is, Health Care as an economy is broken, that is granted. That is partly due to every state having some type of regulation limiting how many companies can sell insurance. Get rid of state regulation, funnel all insurance certification thu the feds. Boom cheap insurance because competition will lower prices, risk would be spread across a broader spectrum. The fact it comes down to with me is I dont want to pay for anyone else but myself. its simple as that.
have you ever try to figure out the total costs it is to become a Doctor in the first place? A specialist makes more then a general practitioner. There's more man hours placed into becoming an MD then any other degree in the US. Then you got to factor in, malpractice insurance, hiring a staff, having a family ect... Paying off loans. Doctors dont make the big bucks they used to. Specialists may but the general MD dont. Take an econ class you'll learn all the wonderful stuff about free markets.
May I add that he market for good health care is not like shopping for a good car repairman. When you are confronted with the possibility of death or debilitation you cant be shopping around for the most cost effective provider. Of course for a lot of careless or poor people, do not buy insurance and end up filling the waiting rooms at emergency wards. A market solution would have us close those emergency wards. But we have not yet sunk to that level of barbarism
That can be fixed with proper legislation, where the bare minimum can be set by federal law.
The thing is laws are not clear cut. If a law were to pass on regulation such as for example with Monetary numbers.
Bare pricing of health insurance set at 80 single. 160 +40 dollars additional family. Hospital stay is 20% of total costs covering as well as covering up to 40% on medication. Co-pay 25 bucks. Thats min then add 20% for each advancement of better coverage. that would be ideal.
To further this, what would be helpful are tax write offs if you buy your own insurance. Tax code doesnt allow a person to write off paying insurance (that's the plan's cost not medical charges). If we do that then more people would be inclined to do so.
If we look in on why it costs 25k for a CT scanner and 150k for a MRI scanner (Machines only), when the technology curve states the longer the tech out the cheaper it is. Then we can find out the real problems. This bill doesnt solve that.
@platovid4 No, platovid, we haven't yet sunk to that level of barbarism. But no worries, Socialized Medicine will end that wait in just a few years: Gotta make the system run efficiently for the "stakeholders", as He likes to refer to us.
(pssst - look to Canada and GB and see your future !)
when massachussetts mandated health insurance the cost of my plan doubled.now they want that nation wide?Bad idea!
@exodus wake up government programs almost always have cost overuns.I find it hard to believe theyre gonna cut medicare to fund this with all the babyboomers retiring soon then they'd lose a lot of votes.Unfunded liabilities are gonna collapse our system.
U site some bogus ideas about ACUPUNCTURE being the cause for high health insurance costs in Massachusets, not a tiny percentage which is the truth, and then keep the rest of the video spewing half assed nonsensical random rethoric and u supposedly reached a conclusion in there somewhere ?
Here is a FACT:
INDEPENDANT studies show a strong healthcare package WILL LOWER THE DEFICIT of the US.
That is an undisputed FACT. Not rethoric, not assumptions, just the truth.
by denying proper healthcare to the sick/chronicly..this is not good.limit the meds a doctor can give a person ? if someone has to take all kind of dang pills to substain life.which ones do you chopose ?who chooses ?this is all bad
I love how u went from, show me the studies to I wont believe them anyway in the same sentence.
Why should we take up a loan? Where does the spending come from?
A Public Option is the only thing that would cost the government and even that is... u know.. an insurance option... which means people will pay for it just like any other insurance, only this one will be cheaper then all private ones and since they dont have executive salaries it will make more money. The rest is regulation.
yogee, no that money goes back into the system instead of all the free govt (50% of all healthcare costs are ALREADY paid for buy the govt) that now goes in a CEOs pockets (insurers are posting record profits while driving up premiums twice as fast inflation and kicking 1/5 of their customers off the rolls) instead. Not even the President makes more than a low level health insurance executive. Spare me, tool.
an you chumps publicans wid awl da money to stupid to hang onto your money dont deserve to hab it now do you??jus gibbet it awl up now fo da REDISTRIBUTIN be goin on man...chumps...
YOU BE PAY for MY HELF CAYA NOW..jus start to gimmet awl da money to the blomadon soze he can pud it in his cash stash fo da HELF CAYA NOW..we NEEBS da HELF CAYA NOW...an lets git on wid awl dat REDISTRIBUTIN of welth I keep hearin about man....now smile when i tole you dat man,,,it awl be worf it man,,all be worf it...
I don't think gov run health care is any more or less likely than corporate run health care is to legislate away your liberty in an effort to increase profites.
In fact, the system we have right now does exactly that. Why is there a push to ban cigaretts? Because it costs the corporate insurance co's too much money.
What makes you think they aren't going to come after red meat, sugar, salt or anything else? If anything, GOV would be easier to control than the corporate system.
"GOV would be easier to control than the corporate system."
You can control the corporate businesses in many different ways! such as not dealing with those who are corrupt, and suing when they are doing things illegal. We just have to DO it, and stop crying victim.
Once you've given the GOVERNMENT the power, you can't do anything!! You can't control the government once they've taken over something! Then they control YOU!
That's why you're FORCED to take Medicare once you're a certain age!
@bigdogsdontbark: Most people want this, and while it could've been much better, it's not crap. That's why, in 2008, we (the US electorate) voted out the people who opposed health care reform for decades. Not sure who you mean by "no one".
I'm just waiting for the democrats to wage full scale smear wars on each other. That's where the fun begins in this "debate" (yes, I know they already do, however these will be way worse)
The rep vs demo partisanship is completely destructive to national interests. Why didn't the repubs join the DEBATE, not just say ^NO^ in the Ted Stevens way that sums up their POV in these last years. Easily led by the seductive chauvinism of popular talk shows, they have seemingly ceased to think, merely PARROT talking points that are repeated SO frequently they are mistaken for factual journalism. Frequently misleading: a simple fact-check reveals obvious MIS-information
And TARP wasn't the only thing used to "bail out" automakers. As I learned, the "real goal" of seizing GM and Chrysler was that neither automaker had what was mandated in the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act -- the tiny and electric cars. Ford asked the feds for $6 billion to make such, and the real goal was to win liberals' War on SUV's by seizing opponents of trucks.
how do insurance companies make a profit? they pay out less in claims than they take in as monthly/yearly payments...this is how EVERY insurance company makes a profit...100% of the profits that an insurance company makes would be money the govt would make, and since the govt isnt a for-profit corporation, the money would go into itself...paying for the price tag of this bill...why the f**k do you think obama is saying it will pay itself off in 10 years? because it will.
Wrong. With 100's of thousands to millions paying into a provider. only a 0's of thousand may even use their healthcare for years.
Like me and the wife. We have been pay right (now over) $8000 a year for the past 20 years. And have use it once in 20 years.
now if we had a guarantee in life that we would ever get sick, we could have saved it and use far less 20 years down the road. But life don't give you that guarantee.
So pay for healthcare all they years kept us with that back up.
I agree, gofudge. Americans lack the social evolution essential to caring for others via gov't. However, they're frequently noted to be the most generous in charitable donations. Most Americans distrust gov't instead of the insurance co's: a critical mind-set difference from most Europeans. This despite the counter-intuitive ^logic^, they vote against their own self-interest. Are they fully educated in this? No.
*A well informed citizenry^ is sorely lacking in US policy; corruption rules.
Judging from how you spoke about Americans, as if you yourself were excluded, allows me to assume you are not an American. It follows that you most likely know next to nothing about how Americans actually think, you must only know what the media has told you, and, therefore, you are no better than even these hypothetical "unevolved" Americans you have spoken so disdainfully of.
So before you judge an entire nation so quickly, realize your opinion on this means absolutely nothing.
excluded only in the sense that I'm well informed, having personal/professional knowledge of medical care in the US.
And I repeat the point of the post: a
WELL INFORMED CITIZENRY is sorely lacking in MY country, the USA. The majority of US have little or no knowledge of the issues in this debate; WORSE: they're MIS-informed. This subset, frequently poor, uneducated, is far more likely to express resistance to REFORM - failing to understand no change means economic disaster 4 USA
no, european countries are analogous to states like New Jersey. the federal government is responsible to the us constitution. the constitution does not have any provision to allow health care nor the federal reserve. do you totally awesome europeans learn that in your flawless education ?
that's kind of ironic how you say we "lack evolved" when you yourself are an American. Speak for yourself but I am not "lacking evolution" or "uneducated" move to France if you think that they are doing the right thing.
good for you C1994. But a visit to your profile begs otherwise. Video games do not constitute an education.
And the reform is underway. I hope it'll work out well for you, sincerely. The libertarian view is worthy of interest, but frequently difficult to reconcile with social ills.
I'm glad you think my intellect is of much smaller than yours however, what you are looking at is the size of your ego. Any how: Reform isn't going to pass this election season. The politicians (whom all lack spines) who are up for election, will "cater" (smooth talk in this case) their constituents that "no! I Mary Landrieu, did not take a bribe to vote for health care reform!
also, I have many interests other than politics,are you saying I am not allowed to watch people blow each other up with tactical nukes? Are you saying to be an "intellectual" I must adhere to your practice by saying "video games are the epitome of emptiness and EVIL!" than no thanks, I'd rather not be an "intellectual"
Pay for itself? You realize Medicare and Medicaid are not only broke, but cost far more than what was originally estimated? So why not tack on yet another government run ponzi scheme and see how that goes.
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apperently businesses cant compete with the govt when providing the same services......OH WAIT! ups and fedex have been competing with the usps for the last 20+ years! :O
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propaganda.
lol @ people who think the govt is "out to get them"...its created by who YOU vote for, (by the people), and its there to keep conservatives and liberals from killing each other (for the people)...
how is this health care bill bad? it wont tax anyone into poverty, helps everyone stay healthy and will generate revenue when its done paying for itself....so far no one has given a REASON for killing this bill...
There is absolutely no chance at all, 0.000%, that this health care bill will not add hundreds of billions to the national debt. We already know this from previous examples in the past, Medicaid and Medicare. It doesn't matter what they claim now, it will put us into an even deeper hole than we are now, which is hard to imagine. It will cost vastly more than the initial projections, like always. Some people ignore past history on every program, and just blindly support the next.
insurance companies make a profit because they pay out less than they take in...that "profit" the govt would make would go towards paying off the cost of instating this bill and when the cost is payed off, the profit would go towards paying off the national deficit...its effectively a tax increase that's NECESSARY after the 30+ years of tax cuts to big businesses. ty bush jr and bush sr.
what hogwash, taxes on insurance companies (which don't make much in profits compared to drug companies "Health Insurer Profits Not As Fat As Dems Claim" MSNBCdotcom 10/25/09, about 6%) could never begin to pay down the debt, this bill will do just what other govt run health care bills did add 100's of billions to the debt. Throwing out Bush's name won't help you here, and FYI Bush sr. raised taxes. Is every new program always a blank check with you, regardless of past programs' histories?
No they're not the bad guys, but, making that industry as competitive as possible to bring down prices is a top priority. A lot of these companies get an instant monopoly on a new breakthrough and so can charge pretty much anything they want until there's a generic or another company makes a competing drug. This is a difficult area to make competitive. I'm not sure what the correct solution here is. Price controls means less money poured into R & D. Getting a conscience would be good.
Exactly gofudgeyourself. Why is that fact so difficult to understand? Why?
Could it be they're massively, hugely gullible; misinformed, and completely taken in by an argument that is repeated in every talking-point memo the industry is PAYING to air?
>But the next time a friend or family member is denied coverage, remember where that money went. And ask yourself: why? Why did I support big-money interests and not the 58 year old having an MRI denied. One that reveals cancer.
What does this video even accomplish other than lackadaisical compliance.
I have an idea, ill start a media company that continually points out the obvious and incorrect nature of policy and do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO CHANGE THE PROBLEM.
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Why don't Europeans have the same attitude about health care as Americans? Why are they a more giving people?? It's like in America, everyone's out for themselves! Is it because countries within Europe are much smaller and have less people in them and there is greater ethnic homogeneity that the feeling of brotherly love is stronger?
No one "gives" more than Americans. No one...We just don't like being forced to give by our government. The more they take, the less i can give to charities I like. In 2006 Americans donated $34.8 billion dollars. The second highest country was Britain with $1.6 billion donated.
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First off, America is among the least generous when it comes to donating when the amount given is compared to the GDP. The truth still stands that Europeans are much more connected and concerned for each other than Americans which is why polls show year after year that Europeans overall don't mind higher taxes because in exchange they get universal health care; Americans are so stingy that they'd rather have the poor die than have their taxes increase.
Reasoned, level headed analysis of what seems to be an unfortunate operating procedure and consequently furthering the degradation of our country in total.
By the way, I just got notice from my personal insurance; "rates will be going up 35% or more in the near future". Once we get the notice I not be supporting their cause as it has become impractical.
I what I find bizarre about this whole debate is that people are seeing healthcare as some sort of luxury - You're only allowed it if you can afford it, or have adequate health insurance. Healthcare should be a human right and the right to receive it should not be measured by your income, but by the state of your health.
This channel is meant to be promoting individual liberty, but when around 40 million Americans don't have health insurance, they are being denied their right to healthcare.
Since when is someone elses services a "Right"?.....So I suppose a really good paying job is a right? Or the right to affordable food and clothing......can't forget the right to a house and a university diploma? Or the right to live 100 years!
Obamacare is the worst disaster to hit the USA. I hope people will be happy that they will have to file proof of insurance with taxes or pay 2.5% of gross. Be prepared for massive tax hikes. Be prepared for a worse economy for decades. READ THE BILL GO TO CONGRESS. org
"Nothing in this title shall be construed to authorize any federal officer or employee to exercise any supervision or control over the practice of medicine....''(PL 89-97)
Now: Nearly 150,000 pages of Medicare regulations enforced by the barrel of a gun.
"Any government solution to a problem is usually worse than the problem." I think that applies here, this will get bigger and bigger, never smaller until we wind up like California or Detroit.
The new health care just won't work. and the politicians such as Obama will blame the citizens for being racist/lazy/white or whatever.
If there's no competition. then everything goes to shit.
When all the other insurance company's are gone. whats to stop the government from charging 1000 bucks a month if you need to get a band aid? nothing. there's no one else to go to. when/if they decide to fuck you over. there's nothing you can do.
What are you talking? "When all the other insurance companies are gone"? The public option isn't in the bill! And it's a sham that it isn't...the public option would have brought true competition and prices would have gone down. There is no price control in this current bill. Obama sold out to insurance companies...
If it wasn't for rent controls we wouldn't have all those cool homeless people playing guitar in the subway stations and washing the windshields of cars for a buck. I say it was a success. YES WE CAN!!!!
Let me put this another way. There is a free option for health care. EVERYONE is going to go for it. but when that health care is horrible. all the other providers will be out of business. then you get fucked over. as said above.
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Eh, that's not how it would work...if the public option is bad, then people would just switch back to their regular insurance. Also, I guarantee you all other providers wouldn't be out of business. I live in Finland, we have universal socialized health care (which was never, ever even on the table in US) and STILL have private health care industry that is doing quite good.
IGNORING ALL THAT - you DO realize that there is -NO- public option or as you say "free" option (wtf?) in the current bill?
This is the same essential argument that most make for a universal healthcare system: It works great in....country. Well THAT country is not THIS country - not even remotely so. Our economy is vastly different, and the way we allocate resources is vastly different. So the "hey it works in..." doesn't hold much water as an argument. UHC may work for Finland's 5 million citizens, but America's population is more than 60 times larger.
Except that people without the government run insurance will be fined for not having it. So in order to avoid the fines people WILL be coerced into choosing it.
Of course, first we need to abolish McCarran-Ferguson and end the antitrust exemption once and for all. We need a REAL national insurance market. Hopefully that will make health insurance choices and competition a lot more available. I mean, how the bureaucrats and liberal politicians in so many states can allow practically healthcare MONOPOLIES in their borders is beyond me! Isn't that ANTI-CONSUMER??
Real reform of the system would work to, first and foremost, STOP insulating consumers from prices and work to actually lower them in the long term. This bill hardly does that. It's really just an expanded-coverage bill. But too many legislators, even on the conservative side, have given up on that front.
At the danger of screwing with our free market system, I say we should probably set caps on just how much insurers can cover as copays for routine stuff (to limit moral hazard and consumer insulation from price), esp. for the most expensive patients. The $6,000 cap for individuals with this new HC plan is a sham! $6,000 even for those who make a buttload and could obviously afford to pay more? Where did they come up with 6 grand? Obviously not from any economists. It's just an idea.
@whoo689 The more I learn about what this Health Care Reform doesn't do, the more I think we are getting the run around on what the real intent is to have it. The fact is that Medicare and all the other Federally funded medical services in this nation will grow and in the end go broke. Passing some of that expense to the population, through Insurance co, will prolong the demise but not solve the problem.
I love that statistic, because it makes the magical assumption all those 44 thousand would have survived had they gotten health care. What did they die of? Cancer? Heart disease? Would they magically all be here if they had received care? I doubt it....
"Is grhc going to cost more than what you're paying the insurance companies? "
FACT: NO
Single-payer is more efficient. These are the facts: US spends 16% of its GDP on health care. Other wealthy industrialized countries with single-payer spend about 8-9%.
In the US, 31 cents of every dollar spent on health care goes to administrative fees. In Canadas universal health insurance system, it's 1.3 cents.
It would cost less since there's noone pulling profits in "GHRC".
And because Canada has universal health care they produce very few new medicines or medical advances and have worse outcomes in almost all categories. Average wait for an MRI - 6 WEEKS! It's no utopia in Canada.
(why would you believe someone named demonpreyer too begin with...?)
kekemankek, no matter how many facts you present, unfortunately Rupert Murdoch has packaged a more compelling show to deliver MISinformation, and these folks are too ( WHAT?) to fact check.
FACT: Jefferson and other framers of the constitution did a great job, assuming a well informed citizenry, calculated to prevent as well as to correct abuse.
This video tells a lot of truth. The truth they dont tell you is, the corporations will make this bill work for a year or two, and then when everyone moves on...BAM!...They steal your money. Sad but true. We just need to get corporations out of government and everything will be fixed.
Agreed. And the best way to do that is to reduce the power of congress. If congress lacked the power to cut special deals and give special subsidies, then the corps would never try to bribe them with campaign contributions or lobby for special pork and powers to be stuck in bills.
Go back to the limitations of the Constitution and our corporate influence problems are greatly reduced.
Nice explanation
felpaluche 2 months ago
Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care. Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
Allen West 2012
FreedomInAmerica 11 months ago
Interesting
bornthug213 1 year ago
this guy is an ignorant, stupid, rob blagoavitch
bmore209 1 year ago
What would make a reasonable person think this was a "real" discussion. The "talking head" - is using Fox/Frank Luntz phrasing to extract the desired "negative" connotation that they desire. "Obamacare" is not Healthcare Reform - it's what the Insurance Companies want to call it because they won't be getting our tax dollars so free and clear (which in turn end up in Boehner's pockets).
KJamesB 1 year ago
Republicans - let's spend Trillions on illegal wars. Yah!!!
Republicans - let's make sure NOT to spend money on America! WTF?!
KJamesB 1 year ago
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ObamaSnippetsDotCom 1 year ago
anyone that still looks to the government to "help them", is a freakin IDIOT, either that are a bloodsucking welfare recipient
duanescot 1 year ago
@duanescot Republicans didn't have problems spending Trillions on illegal wars, but HATE to spend OUR tax dollars on Americans. Why do you hate America? You can always leave you know. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
KJamesB 1 year ago
@KJamesB where did i say i supported republican spending? can you find even ONE reference? No, you can't, because I DONT! got it? now if you were able to think outside of the terms of a two party system, where the fantasy is that one is good, and one is bad, maybe you would of thought of that before ranting off on some tangeant that I don't resemble in the least bit!
duanescot 1 year ago
congress makes the laws, the executive branch administers the law and the supreme court interprets the law. ...so yeah, it's a perfect recipe for distortion and perversion. also notice the IRS or Federal Reserve aren't mentioned in that clause.
uturniaphobic 1 year ago
@uturniaphobic and your ignorant and a Republican.
KJamesB 1 year ago
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@KJamesB actually the correct way to type that would be...
and ''you're" ignorant and a Republican
uturniaphobic 1 year ago
type "student loan takeover" in the youtube search engine and click on the big ugly picture of nancy pelosi!
TheJeffersonianDems 1 year ago
One more example of government growing near a point of no return! Public sector adversly affecting the economy? Go figure!! Our government is growing out of control...and taking our kids' future with that growth. If you are worried about our children's future and are concerned about the future of American Free Enterprise, I ask that you view and pass along Chief Parenting's entry into the US Chambers "I am Free Enterprise" video contest (via our channel name link above).
chiefparenting 1 year ago
@chiefparenting You didn't have a problem with it under King GW Bush.
KJamesB 1 year ago
@chiefparenting This is Reich Wing Propaganda (Corporate Citizens United - the Legal Propagand Arm of the RNC film division - think Joseph Geobbels).
Republicans didn't have problems spending Trillions on illegal wars, but HATE to spend OUR tax dollars on Americans. Why do you hate America? You can always leave you know. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
KJamesB 1 year ago
B.Obamas Health Care Reform... Can it help american residents. .? Your opinion's need to be spoken!!! Check out my you tube channel and read how
Wilone328 1 year ago
California has two democrat senators and 34 of 53 congressmen are Democrats. So its congress is controlled by democrats. Congress spends money, not presidents or governors. California's budget and bankroll has been ruined by democrats and their entitlement programs and now they're on their way to doing the same at the federal level.
simoniniraq 1 year ago
5 stars
yougiberishtube 1 year ago
ddkkddkk, well since we don't have "socialized" healthcare and we pay more for our healthcare than any other country in the world (17% of GNP as opposed to France at 11%) then I guess that makes you wrong. SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE (even taking the amount of taxes paid into account) IS cheaper and far more accessible. I know, you're an American and, thus, not likely to be good at math but 17% GNP for #37 world healthcare rankings is a lot more money than 11% for #1 world ranking. Spare me.
priorzola 1 year ago
Sorry, INCOME TAX was used because there was an indiscriminate and unfair taxes used for the first century of our country's existence. I know so-called Liberatians like to harken back to a time when we were (income) tax free but that doesnt mean we were free of tax. This country had taxes from day one but often they were imposed on the least powerful industries (ie whiskey makers). But, if you don't want to pay taxes, there are plenty of HELL HOLES in the world where you don't. Enjoy!
priorzola 1 year ago
I live in Massachusetts and we were not eligible for the state's health care, even with the breadwinner jobless. He had worked as a regional rep. (New England) for a company out of California. Even though we are MA residents and have paid income tax here every year (lots of it!), MA doesn't allow residents, who lose their out of state jobs, eligibility to get the state's health insurance. Also, Obama had changed Cobra. We couldn't get Cobra, because my husband's company had gone bankrupt. Lousy!
yogeedogee 1 year ago
classic Radical Right Winger Propaganda
jiujitsujedi 2 years ago
@jiujitsujedi
How is it right winged? Eventually health rationing will start. I mean Universal Healthcare will be nice in the short term but the long run it will destroy any innovations that may happen all for the sake of keeping costs down. It will just be like the piss poor social security... We'll have our children's children's pay for our healthcare.
avdquick 2 years ago
avdquick, we already have health rationings thanks to the so-called private insurers. Sorry, a GOP that has done NOTHING for 40 years to address health care and who run RED STATES that have the highest infant mortality , lowest life expectancy, and highest number of uninsured Americans (with some of these numbers at nearly third world standards) are really in no position to tell the rest of the country how to run healthcare. Maybe they enjoy being number 37 in the world, but I don't.
priorzola 1 year ago
@ddkkddkk111 , yes it does, and i will get a job after college is done and hopefully the stupid republicans don't destroy the university system. in many states they already have
JBBlitz 2 years ago
Obama basher.....he bashes dems clearly and doesn't spell out all the facts ....you cant possibly in a 3 min video....
jplztmtu08 2 years ago
We need Canadian Socialized Medicine so i don't have to deal with a company and be fully covered.
JBBlitz 2 years ago
@JBBlitz
How funny that all the socialized healthcare countries are the one in the tank right now. Spain, France, German, Greece and so on. Whats even funnier is that the Canadian Prime Minister flew down to a US hospital for Heart surgery. So how is socialized healthcare better? When even those in power dont trust their own system.
avdquick 2 years ago 2
@avdquick when there no dirty republicans to cut the spending than there is no shortages. republicans cut education and health-care cause most of them don't have a college degree and inherited their money. better as in full coverage and less cost per individual because there not as greedy as a private insurance company. Put a democrat with socialized medicine and we have a perfect affordable full coverage system for all Americans and no long waits in line due to cutting spending.
JBBlitz 2 years ago
@JBBlitz
But isnt there a more rampant scamming of Medical and Medicade then there is Private insurance?
You know why insurance costs so much, each state has its own requirements for insurance companies, some states have a bunch of companies in and some have few. I worked for what i have, i pay for my own insurance. Going public option not only would i pay for myself I'm paying for everyone else. How far is that to me. I should only pay for myself and only myself. Not someone who's lazy.
avdquick 2 years ago
all the insurance company's are in a trust and agree to charge the same amount which means no competition so they can charge as much as they want. its technically a monopoly. there's no competition and greedy executives keep raising the prices from 10 -20 percent a year. state requirement has nothing to do with it. there is no scamming under socialized medicine just ask some Canadians and British people.
JBBlitz 2 years ago
then if that's true instead of getting this bill pass. We as a country should put pressure on our legislators to pursue an Anti-truss case against all the companies to break up the monopoly.
Instead of trying to toss out the old system...It would be more cost effective to reform each step. You bring up Canadian, how come their Prime Minister came to a US hospital to get heart surgery instead of his own country? hmm... how odd dont you think. If they got such a grand system it begs the question
avdquick 2 years ago
because that lousy conservative cut the spending big time and that rich bastard does not give a fuck about it and i agree about trust busting and admire Theodore Roosevelt for doing that and the health-care company s should be trust busted, price controlled and a pubic option to keep competition in check but i want government care for full coverage and less cost though. any politician that cuts education or healthcare is telling you that they don't give a fuck about you and inhumane.
JBBlitz 2 years ago
the problem i have with any government control is the boards. We cannot as a people kick out appointed officials. So that means we as a people will be at the mercy of bureaucrats who dont give a damn and have a cushy job for life. I mean in CA. the AB32 bill headed by a committee that's fraudulent is going ahead and there's no way to boot out those idiot bureaucrats. I would be all for it, if there's no board that will pop up if its passed. So no I already hounded my senators to say no.
avdquick 2 years ago
And you have a lot of control over private bureaucracts who give themselves huge salaries and deny you coverage when you need it . At least appointed public bureaucrats eventually yield to pressre from media and organized citizens groups.Listen to yourself...
platovid4 2 years ago
So far in CA that has yet to happen to the Air Resources board, they are still going forward with a job killing bill knowing full well.
The problem I have is that were giving over power to a board that we as a people have no control over. I mean my grandparents had fights with the Medical board because of an operation. So first hand I am leery of any type of deal of this magnitude. I have a right to be.
avdquick 2 years ago
Is denying coverage really a huge problem?
I recall being limited by my health insurance provider on physical therapy for a broken knee, but it still ended up well.
Some patients will go on forever with treatments, especially if they are not paying out of pocket. Someone needs to put a brake on it. The doctors and other medical personnel probably won't, because they are making money on the treatments.
yogeedogee 1 year ago
@JBlitz.
Well it comes down to the Union battle. Why should fat K-12 teacher unions absorb huge amounts of money for sub par teaching? Only putting in 120k and getting 4million back in retirement benefits.(using hypo numbers) we are paying huge amounts of legacy payments to state and federal unions. Working for the gov should be a duty, not just a ponzi scheme to get rich off the tax payer. that goes for both sides and their cronies.
avdquick 2 years ago
@avdquick, My state is guilty as charged! Bloated government with ridiculously high pension liabilities. One reason I have turned on the Democrats! They'll tax your grandmother's teeth to keep the grabby unions happy!
yogeedogee 1 year ago
@JBBlitz, They are cutting the budgets, because if they don't, they will need to take more taxes out of your paycheck or add taxes to your purchases. The money has to come from somewhere!
yogeedogee 1 year ago
@JBBlitz, You have got to be kidding? Have you studied the states of California and Rhode Island? They are on the verge of bankruptcy, because of the Democrats. They are suffering from overspending, high taxes and huge deficits.
yogeedogee 1 year ago
@yogeedogee, thanks for the California talking point. Too bad their tax structure (particularly their property tax) was set up by the GOP and their BUDGETS have to garner 2/3 a vote and thus they can't propose budgets and tax changes w/ a simple majority like elsewhere. but you can live in RED STATES who tend to take more from the federal teet than they actually contribute and then STILL end up near the bottom on most quality of life statistics. I guess it's because you GET what you PAY for.
priorzola 1 year ago
@piorzola, The problem with the property tax is that it can tax people out of their homes, especially the elderly. It was probably getting out of control in CA, which is why there was a revolt leading to the change. There needs to be a balance. CA is spending too much and promising too much. RI is prop. tax dependent and has huge fiscal problems too. Their pension liability is unsustainable. I prefer less spending. If you don't fight it, they'll find a way to tax commenting on message boards.
yogeedogee 1 year ago
yogee, you were making an argument for the shortfalls of California but don't have a working knowledge of their tax structure (and overlook that they have GOP governor right now). This is typical of the kind of half-assed info you get from the likes of neocons and "reasontv". Spew talking points w/o context or a working knowledge of what you're talking about. CA is broke because CALIFORNIA has BLUE STATE programs w/ RED STATE funding. RED STATES are not only BROKE but also have lousy programs.
priorzola 1 year ago
yogee, and RI is having problems because the only INVESTMENT this country has encouraged under the neocons for the last 40 years is not job creation but the failed notion of the "ownership society". When peoples wages stagnate and the only revenu you have to rely on is over-inflated housing costs that are doomed to flatline, then you're doomed. Sorry, the RED STATES tax structures are lacking because a) they have the lowest wages and highest poverty rates and STILL take BLUE STATE money.
priorzola 1 year ago
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priorzola 1 year ago
The problem with California isn't that it's taxes are too low, it's that too many people are tax recipiants and not taxpayers.
WingChunGeologist 1 year ago 11
@WingChunGeologist - that's the new GOP mantra - it's the poor people and illegal aliens (i.e., minorities) fault. How about it's your inability to vote with your head and not your ignorant party - the Destruction by the Republicans must be stopped.
Republicans - let's spend Trillions on illegal wars. Yah!!!
Republicans - let's make sure NOT to spend money on America! WTF?!
KJamesB 1 year ago
@KJamesB
There's productive ways to spend money and destructive ways to spend money.
Spending money on infrastructure such as Hoover Damn, TVA and the Interstate freeway system makes America richer.
Spending money to induce young women to have children out of wedlock, and subsidize every other bad decision people makes America poorer.
WingChunGeologist 1 year ago
@KJamesB Hmmmm, how can wars be illegal if they were authorized by Congress? That wasn't the dumbest thing you said Castro, just the one I felt like picking on
jm04206 1 year ago
@WingChunGeologist Taxes in California are VERY high.
liOVERLOADil 1 year ago
@liOVERLOADil
Yes California is a high tax state. We possibly have the highest state taxes in the country (although NYC taxes may be even higher).
I think that California has something like 30 percent of the welfare cases in the USA, with most of that money going to unwed mothers. This ongoing pattern of welfare spending, along with high levels of illegal immigration, has resulted in a massive inmate population that costs CA taxpayers $ Billions every year.
WingChunGeologist 1 year ago
@avdquick
the funny thing is were not one of those countries and were goin down the fuckin tank. shit son
jewblacka 2 years ago
Oh I never said we were. I'm saying the great universal heal care has basically crippled countries like Spain and Greece. Look, if Medical and Medicade can barely function then what will the government do with the public option. I mean if it has taken the DMV almost 3 months to re-issue me a new License with my correct address. Do i really want to wait god knows how long for an appointment if I'm ill?
avdquick 2 years ago
The fact is, Health Care as an economy is broken, that is granted. That is partly due to every state having some type of regulation limiting how many companies can sell insurance. Get rid of state regulation, funnel all insurance certification thu the feds. Boom cheap insurance because competition will lower prices, risk would be spread across a broader spectrum. The fact it comes down to with me is I dont want to pay for anyone else but myself. its simple as that.
avdquick 2 years ago
@avdquick
also ever think that maybe our doctor's are leet shit?
jewblacka 2 years ago
have you ever try to figure out the total costs it is to become a Doctor in the first place? A specialist makes more then a general practitioner. There's more man hours placed into becoming an MD then any other degree in the US. Then you got to factor in, malpractice insurance, hiring a staff, having a family ect... Paying off loans. Doctors dont make the big bucks they used to. Specialists may but the general MD dont. Take an econ class you'll learn all the wonderful stuff about free markets.
avdquick 2 years ago
May I add that he market for good health care is not like shopping for a good car repairman. When you are confronted with the possibility of death or debilitation you cant be shopping around for the most cost effective provider. Of course for a lot of careless or poor people, do not buy insurance and end up filling the waiting rooms at emergency wards. A market solution would have us close those emergency wards. But we have not yet sunk to that level of barbarism
platovid4 2 years ago
That can be fixed with proper legislation, where the bare minimum can be set by federal law.
The thing is laws are not clear cut. If a law were to pass on regulation such as for example with Monetary numbers.
Bare pricing of health insurance set at 80 single. 160 +40 dollars additional family. Hospital stay is 20% of total costs covering as well as covering up to 40% on medication. Co-pay 25 bucks. Thats min then add 20% for each advancement of better coverage. that would be ideal.
avdquick 2 years ago
To further this, what would be helpful are tax write offs if you buy your own insurance. Tax code doesnt allow a person to write off paying insurance (that's the plan's cost not medical charges). If we do that then more people would be inclined to do so.
If we look in on why it costs 25k for a CT scanner and 150k for a MRI scanner (Machines only), when the technology curve states the longer the tech out the cheaper it is. Then we can find out the real problems. This bill doesnt solve that.
avdquick 2 years ago
@platovid4 No, platovid, we haven't yet sunk to that level of barbarism. But no worries, Socialized Medicine will end that wait in just a few years: Gotta make the system run efficiently for the "stakeholders", as He likes to refer to us.
(pssst - look to Canada and GB and see your future !)
;-))
donde2k 1 year ago
@avdquick, When my doctor moved to a new practice, she was replaced by a Canadian doctor! Over the years, some have been moving down here.
yogeedogee 1 year ago
when massachussetts mandated health insurance the cost of my plan doubled.now they want that nation wide?Bad idea!
@exodus wake up government programs almost always have cost overuns.I find it hard to believe theyre gonna cut medicare to fund this with all the babyboomers retiring soon then they'd lose a lot of votes.Unfunded liabilities are gonna collapse our system.
dirtbagstatus 2 years ago 10
WTF WAS THIS?
U site some bogus ideas about ACUPUNCTURE being the cause for high health insurance costs in Massachusets, not a tiny percentage which is the truth, and then keep the rest of the video spewing half assed nonsensical random rethoric and u supposedly reached a conclusion in there somewhere ?
Here is a FACT:
INDEPENDANT studies show a strong healthcare package WILL LOWER THE DEFICIT of the US.
That is an undisputed FACT. Not rethoric, not assumptions, just the truth.
Sorry.
Ex0dus111 2 years ago
by denying proper healthcare to the sick/chronicly..this is not good.limit the meds a doctor can give a person ? if someone has to take all kind of dang pills to substain life.which ones do you chopose ?who chooses ?this is all bad
oldviolinat48 2 years ago
Where are these independent studies? And more importantly (if they're real) are they even reliable sources?
Because common sense says: Taking out loans and spending large amounts of money when in debt does not reduce your debt. It increases it.
And the top White House Economists say that won't lower the deficit!
You can't fix a dent in a car door by taking to it with a baseball-bat.
BlackHatGraphics 2 years ago
I love how u went from, show me the studies to I wont believe them anyway in the same sentence.
Why should we take up a loan? Where does the spending come from?
A Public Option is the only thing that would cost the government and even that is... u know.. an insurance option... which means people will pay for it just like any other insurance, only this one will be cheaper then all private ones and since they dont have executive salaries it will make more money. The rest is regulation.
Ex0dus111 2 years ago
@Ex0dus111,
The people, who will run the national healthcare program will make the big bucks instead.
yogeedogee 1 year ago
People we can vote OUT!
Ever tried voting out a CEO?
Ex0dus111 1 year ago
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priorzola 1 year ago
yogee, no that money goes back into the system instead of all the free govt (50% of all healthcare costs are ALREADY paid for buy the govt) that now goes in a CEOs pockets (insurers are posting record profits while driving up premiums twice as fast inflation and kicking 1/5 of their customers off the rolls) instead. Not even the President makes more than a low level health insurance executive. Spare me, tool.
priorzola 1 year ago
an you chumps publicans wid awl da money to stupid to hang onto your money dont deserve to hab it now do you??jus gibbet it awl up now fo da REDISTRIBUTIN be goin on man...chumps...
hadenufnow 2 years ago
hey chumps,,
YOU BE PAY for MY HELF CAYA NOW..jus start to gimmet awl da money to the blomadon soze he can pud it in his cash stash fo da HELF CAYA NOW..we NEEBS da HELF CAYA NOW...an lets git on wid awl dat REDISTRIBUTIN of welth I keep hearin about man....now smile when i tole you dat man,,,it awl be worf it man,,all be worf it...
hadenufnow 2 years ago
I don't think gov run health care is any more or less likely than corporate run health care is to legislate away your liberty in an effort to increase profites.
In fact, the system we have right now does exactly that. Why is there a push to ban cigaretts? Because it costs the corporate insurance co's too much money.
What makes you think they aren't going to come after red meat, sugar, salt or anything else? If anything, GOV would be easier to control than the corporate system.
TuneSlingr2 2 years ago
"GOV would be easier to control than the corporate system."
You can control the corporate businesses in many different ways! such as not dealing with those who are corrupt, and suing when they are doing things illegal. We just have to DO it, and stop crying victim.
Once you've given the GOVERNMENT the power, you can't do anything!! You can't control the government once they've taken over something! Then they control YOU!
That's why you're FORCED to take Medicare once you're a certain age!
BlackHatGraphics 2 years ago 2
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mechanicalbu11 2 years ago
Better get ready to add 10 Million Hatian refugees to Obama's socialized medicine plan .. dig a little deeper into those pockets people !
roscoe85cj 2 years ago
Noone wants this crap! Thats why we are voting them out in November.
bigdogsdontbark 2 years ago
I'm with you!!!! These morons need to go!
Stopandthinkforamin 2 years ago
@bigdogsdontbark: Most people want this, and while it could've been much better, it's not crap. That's why, in 2008, we (the US electorate) voted out the people who opposed health care reform for decades. Not sure who you mean by "no one".
frankroto 2 years ago
Wanna hear a joke? Congress. HA
Colourbend 2 years ago
I'm just waiting for the democrats to wage full scale smear wars on each other. That's where the fun begins in this "debate" (yes, I know they already do, however these will be way worse)
Christoppher1994 2 years ago
@Christoppher1994
The rep vs demo partisanship is completely destructive to national interests. Why didn't the repubs join the DEBATE, not just say ^NO^ in the Ted Stevens way that sums up their POV in these last years. Easily led by the seductive chauvinism of popular talk shows, they have seemingly ceased to think, merely PARROT talking points that are repeated SO frequently they are mistaken for factual journalism. Frequently misleading: a simple fact-check reveals obvious MIS-information
doc4care 2 years ago
And TARP wasn't the only thing used to "bail out" automakers. As I learned, the "real goal" of seizing GM and Chrysler was that neither automaker had what was mandated in the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act -- the tiny and electric cars. Ford asked the feds for $6 billion to make such, and the real goal was to win liberals' War on SUV's by seizing opponents of trucks.
WhiteHatBobby 2 years ago
That was why Ford asked for the money?
I didn't know we were at war with SUVs too. Terrorists AND SUVs? And ^Seizing^ opponents? What happened after they were seized?
Bad decade for the:^Fock the grandkids' air quality, just gimme my big-assed truck^ folks, I reckon.
Happy new decade
doc4care 2 years ago
Statists are using a takeover of healthcare as a wedge to eventually take over all private sectors and break the spirit of the individual.
MrReadingman 2 years ago 3
This guy has a lot of alphamaleness.
Should we all be like him?
drealm 2 years ago
if the major insurance companies are for this bill , then there somthing seriously wrong with it
linkin622 2 years ago 3
no, idiot...
how do insurance companies make a profit? they pay out less in claims than they take in as monthly/yearly payments...this is how EVERY insurance company makes a profit...100% of the profits that an insurance company makes would be money the govt would make, and since the govt isnt a for-profit corporation, the money would go into itself...paying for the price tag of this bill...why the f**k do you think obama is saying it will pay itself off in 10 years? because it will.
gofudgeyourselfx 2 years ago
Wrong. With 100's of thousands to millions paying into a provider. only a 0's of thousand may even use their healthcare for years.
Like me and the wife. We have been pay right (now over) $8000 a year for the past 20 years. And have use it once in 20 years.
now if we had a guarantee in life that we would ever get sick, we could have saved it and use far less 20 years down the road. But life don't give you that guarantee.
So pay for healthcare all they years kept us with that back up.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago 2
I agree, gofudge. Americans lack the social evolution essential to caring for others via gov't. However, they're frequently noted to be the most generous in charitable donations. Most Americans distrust gov't instead of the insurance co's: a critical mind-set difference from most Europeans. This despite the counter-intuitive ^logic^, they vote against their own self-interest. Are they fully educated in this? No.
*A well informed citizenry^ is sorely lacking in US policy; corruption rules.
doc4care 2 years ago
@ doc4care,
Judging from how you spoke about Americans, as if you yourself were excluded, allows me to assume you are not an American. It follows that you most likely know next to nothing about how Americans actually think, you must only know what the media has told you, and, therefore, you are no better than even these hypothetical "unevolved" Americans you have spoken so disdainfully of.
So before you judge an entire nation so quickly, realize your opinion on this means absolutely nothing.
jmatt926 2 years ago 5
@jmatt926
excluded only in the sense that I'm well informed, having personal/professional knowledge of medical care in the US.
And I repeat the point of the post: a
WELL INFORMED CITIZENRY is sorely lacking in MY country, the USA. The majority of US have little or no knowledge of the issues in this debate; WORSE: they're MIS-informed. This subset, frequently poor, uneducated, is far more likely to express resistance to REFORM - failing to understand no change means economic disaster 4 USA
doc4care 2 years ago
no, european countries are analogous to states like New Jersey. the federal government is responsible to the us constitution. the constitution does not have any provision to allow health care nor the federal reserve. do you totally awesome europeans learn that in your flawless education ?
LLCoolPass 2 years ago
that's kind of ironic how you say we "lack evolved" when you yourself are an American. Speak for yourself but I am not "lacking evolution" or "uneducated" move to France if you think that they are doing the right thing.
Christoppher1994 2 years ago
@Christoppher1994
good for you C1994. But a visit to your profile begs otherwise. Video games do not constitute an education.
And the reform is underway. I hope it'll work out well for you, sincerely. The libertarian view is worthy of interest, but frequently difficult to reconcile with social ills.
doc4care 2 years ago
I'm glad you think my intellect is of much smaller than yours however, what you are looking at is the size of your ego. Any how: Reform isn't going to pass this election season. The politicians (whom all lack spines) who are up for election, will "cater" (smooth talk in this case) their constituents that "no! I Mary Landrieu, did not take a bribe to vote for health care reform!
Christoppher1994 2 years ago
also, I have many interests other than politics,are you saying I am not allowed to watch people blow each other up with tactical nukes? Are you saying to be an "intellectual" I must adhere to your practice by saying "video games are the epitome of emptiness and EVIL!" than no thanks, I'd rather not be an "intellectual"
Christoppher1994 2 years ago
Pay for itself? You realize Medicare and Medicaid are not only broke, but cost far more than what was originally estimated? So why not tack on yet another government run ponzi scheme and see how that goes.
kev3d 2 years ago 5
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apperently businesses cant compete with the govt when providing the same services......OH WAIT! ups and fedex have been competing with the usps for the last 20+ years! :O
gofudgeyourselfx 2 years ago
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propaganda.
lol @ people who think the govt is "out to get them"...its created by who YOU vote for, (by the people), and its there to keep conservatives and liberals from killing each other (for the people)...
how is this health care bill bad? it wont tax anyone into poverty, helps everyone stay healthy and will generate revenue when its done paying for itself....so far no one has given a REASON for killing this bill...
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MegaDarkrainbow 2 years ago
Come 2010 pay back will be a major BITCH SLAP to ALL the MOTHERFUCKERS who shoved this HELLcare bill down the throats of WE the PEOPLE. FUCK YOU ALL.
computerpurple 2 years ago 3
Sorry, dems know exactly what this bill will do and that's why they're pushing it.
ryanjurek 2 years ago 2
There is absolutely no chance at all, 0.000%, that this health care bill will not add hundreds of billions to the national debt. We already know this from previous examples in the past, Medicaid and Medicare. It doesn't matter what they claim now, it will put us into an even deeper hole than we are now, which is hard to imagine. It will cost vastly more than the initial projections, like always. Some people ignore past history on every program, and just blindly support the next.
RuflessRecords 2 years ago
insurance companies make a profit because they pay out less than they take in...that "profit" the govt would make would go towards paying off the cost of instating this bill and when the cost is payed off, the profit would go towards paying off the national deficit...its effectively a tax increase that's NECESSARY after the 30+ years of tax cuts to big businesses. ty bush jr and bush sr.
gofudgeyourselfx 2 years ago
what hogwash, taxes on insurance companies (which don't make much in profits compared to drug companies "Health Insurer Profits Not As Fat As Dems Claim" MSNBCdotcom 10/25/09, about 6%) could never begin to pay down the debt, this bill will do just what other govt run health care bills did add 100's of billions to the debt. Throwing out Bush's name won't help you here, and FYI Bush sr. raised taxes. Is every new program always a blank check with you, regardless of past programs' histories?
RuflessRecords 2 years ago 4
So, are drug companies the bad guys? If you don't have health insurance, yes.
Along with the insurance company profiteers, imho.
But someone has to drive a Bentley. Right?
doc4care 2 years ago
No they're not the bad guys, but, making that industry as competitive as possible to bring down prices is a top priority. A lot of these companies get an instant monopoly on a new breakthrough and so can charge pretty much anything they want until there's a generic or another company makes a competing drug. This is a difficult area to make competitive. I'm not sure what the correct solution here is. Price controls means less money poured into R & D. Getting a conscience would be good.
RuflessRecords 2 years ago 2
You got that right!
doc4care 2 years ago
Exactly gofudgeyourself. Why is that fact so difficult to understand? Why?
Could it be they're massively, hugely gullible; misinformed, and completely taken in by an argument that is repeated in every talking-point memo the industry is PAYING to air?
>But the next time a friend or family member is denied coverage, remember where that money went. And ask yourself: why? Why did I support big-money interests and not the 58 year old having an MRI denied. One that reveals cancer.
Sorry grandpa.
doc4care 2 years ago
the dems got what the wanted and will pay come 2010!
PatricksTime 2 years ago 2
You don't think there would be classes on euthanasia?
I would damn sure take that bet. They have tried to sell euthanasia to disabled vets in the past. This would be no different.
averagejoe040 2 years ago
Friedman is a heart surgeon where Krugman is a homeopath or a chiropracter.
fomastephanovitch 2 years ago 3
aint this the guy from no country for old men?
Brezable 2 years ago 2
@Brezable
Damn,he does look like the hit man from No Country for Old Men. Loved that shotgun with the silencer.
averagejoe040 2 years ago
What does this video even accomplish other than lackadaisical compliance.
I have an idea, ill start a media company that continually points out the obvious and incorrect nature of policy and do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO CHANGE THE PROBLEM.
SonsOfFreedom 2 years ago
@SonsOfFreedom....what does any youtube video do? what do you do to change the problem? nothing so just stfu idiot
oTECHNiiQUEo 2 years ago
what does any you tube video do? Well, some actually provide solutions to problems instead of just re-editing the same s***.
I never made any claims to be changing any problems.
GTFO & GFY...
SonsOfFreedom 2 years ago
wow i guess Alex Jones was right about this nwo
narutodemon90 2 years ago
Health Care is not a Right!!!!!!!!!!.
Stop with the lies. You do not have the "right" to force me to take responsibility for your lack there of.
That is theft and slavery, you have no right to make me your slave.
The only "Right" you have concerning Health Care is the ability to provide yourself and those you have spawned with it.
Take responsibility for your own Ideals, and actions.
CapitalExchange 2 years ago
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Why don't Europeans have the same attitude about health care as Americans? Why are they a more giving people?? It's like in America, everyone's out for themselves! Is it because countries within Europe are much smaller and have less people in them and there is greater ethnic homogeneity that the feeling of brotherly love is stronger?
jfkjrlover 2 years ago
No one "gives" more than Americans. No one...We just don't like being forced to give by our government. The more they take, the less i can give to charities I like. In 2006 Americans donated $34.8 billion dollars. The second highest country was Britain with $1.6 billion donated.
Thanks for playing.
Rupert5432 2 years ago 3
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First off, America is among the least generous when it comes to donating when the amount given is compared to the GDP. The truth still stands that Europeans are much more connected and concerned for each other than Americans which is why polls show year after year that Europeans overall don't mind higher taxes because in exchange they get universal health care; Americans are so stingy that they'd rather have the poor die than have their taxes increase.
jfkjrlover 2 years ago
Ahh, facts are stubborn. It doesn't matter that Americans per capita donate more because it doesn't fit in nicely with what you were preaching, right?
You said, "Europeans overall don't mind higher taxes."
Great! Thats you; I don't want em. If I do want higher taxes i'll know where to move.
If I had $1,000 to give away, you better believe the federal government wouldn't be where I donated, yet thats exactly what you do.
*Shrug* Everyone has an opinion I guess...
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KJamesB 1 year ago
right or not, capitalexchange, you'll end up paying for the care of others. it's a price you'll pay for this society.
control the cost with reform, or keep shuttling the unfortunates back through the ER., at much higher cost.
most developed countries have realized the problem, and deal with it far better than we have, even though we pay much higher costs.
the scope of the problem calls for regulation.
good luck with you and your ^spawns'^ rights. maybe they'll not be so naive or selfish...
doc4care 2 years ago
Reasoned, level headed analysis of what seems to be an unfortunate operating procedure and consequently furthering the degradation of our country in total.
By the way, I just got notice from my personal insurance; "rates will be going up 35% or more in the near future". Once we get the notice I not be supporting their cause as it has become impractical.
motorolarules 2 years ago
I what I find bizarre about this whole debate is that people are seeing healthcare as some sort of luxury - You're only allowed it if you can afford it, or have adequate health insurance. Healthcare should be a human right and the right to receive it should not be measured by your income, but by the state of your health.
This channel is meant to be promoting individual liberty, but when around 40 million Americans don't have health insurance, they are being denied their right to healthcare.
SpaghettiMonster89 2 years ago
Since when is someone elses services a "Right"?.....So I suppose a really good paying job is a right? Or the right to affordable food and clothing......can't forget the right to a house and a university diploma? Or the right to live 100 years!
fasttyper888 2 years ago 2
In some European countries, a uni education IS a right along with health care!
jfkjrlover 2 years ago 2
i dont know what ur problem is now . The senate bill is private run not government run. So now u should all be happy right?
jonz23m 2 years ago
Obamacare is the worst disaster to hit the USA. I hope people will be happy that they will have to file proof of insurance with taxes or pay 2.5% of gross. Be prepared for massive tax hikes. Be prepared for a worse economy for decades. READ THE BILL GO TO CONGRESS. org
quizerry 2 years ago 2
Section 1801 of the original 1965Medicare law:
"Nothing in this title shall be construed to authorize any federal officer or employee to exercise any supervision or control over the practice of medicine....''(PL 89-97)
Now: Nearly 150,000 pages of Medicare regulations enforced by the barrel of a gun.
hrosemd 2 years ago 2
"Any government solution to a problem is usually worse than the problem." I think that applies here, this will get bigger and bigger, never smaller until we wind up like California or Detroit.
bertly71 2 years ago
The new health care just won't work. and the politicians such as Obama will blame the citizens for being racist/lazy/white or whatever.
If there's no competition. then everything goes to shit.
When all the other insurance company's are gone. whats to stop the government from charging 1000 bucks a month if you need to get a band aid? nothing. there's no one else to go to. when/if they decide to fuck you over. there's nothing you can do.
Mihuzaki 2 years ago 4
What are you talking? "When all the other insurance companies are gone"? The public option isn't in the bill! And it's a sham that it isn't...the public option would have brought true competition and prices would have gone down. There is no price control in this current bill. Obama sold out to insurance companies...
kekemankek 2 years ago
price controls work so well. Like rent controls in New York city, that didn't come back to bite the city in the ass...
TheAustrian08 2 years ago 4
If it wasn't for rent controls we wouldn't have all those cool homeless people playing guitar in the subway stations and washing the windshields of cars for a buck. I say it was a success. YES WE CAN!!!!
mattrmc19 2 years ago
Let me put this another way. There is a free option for health care. EVERYONE is going to go for it. but when that health care is horrible. all the other providers will be out of business. then you get fucked over. as said above.
Mihuzaki 2 years ago 2
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Eh, that's not how it would work...if the public option is bad, then people would just switch back to their regular insurance. Also, I guarantee you all other providers wouldn't be out of business. I live in Finland, we have universal socialized health care (which was never, ever even on the table in US) and STILL have private health care industry that is doing quite good.
IGNORING ALL THAT - you DO realize that there is -NO- public option or as you say "free" option (wtf?) in the current bill?
kekemankek 2 years ago
@kekemankek
This is the same essential argument that most make for a universal healthcare system: It works great in....country. Well THAT country is not THIS country - not even remotely so. Our economy is vastly different, and the way we allocate resources is vastly different. So the "hey it works in..." doesn't hold much water as an argument. UHC may work for Finland's 5 million citizens, but America's population is more than 60 times larger.
Ovedya2006 2 years ago 7
Except that people without the government run insurance will be fined for not having it. So in order to avoid the fines people WILL be coerced into choosing it.
subzero879 2 years ago 5
The only reason you Scandinavian states are technically live a better lifestyle than the us is for 3 reasons:
1) you sit on MASSIVE oil reserves, giving your country HUGE subsidies
2) you have a small population of people who are ethnically similar (you are all Finnish)
3) Because of #2, you tend to work better and have lower crime rates.
The U.S. is much bigger, more culturally and ethnically more diverse, and our economies are much different. you cannot say "it works"
Christoppher1994 2 years ago
insurance companies are winning..... there for the money not the people
Blastnugget 2 years ago
Of course, first we need to abolish McCarran-Ferguson and end the antitrust exemption once and for all. We need a REAL national insurance market. Hopefully that will make health insurance choices and competition a lot more available. I mean, how the bureaucrats and liberal politicians in so many states can allow practically healthcare MONOPOLIES in their borders is beyond me! Isn't that ANTI-CONSUMER??
whoo689 2 years ago 3
Real reform of the system would work to, first and foremost, STOP insulating consumers from prices and work to actually lower them in the long term. This bill hardly does that. It's really just an expanded-coverage bill. But too many legislators, even on the conservative side, have given up on that front.
whoo689 2 years ago
At the danger of screwing with our free market system, I say we should probably set caps on just how much insurers can cover as copays for routine stuff (to limit moral hazard and consumer insulation from price), esp. for the most expensive patients. The $6,000 cap for individuals with this new HC plan is a sham! $6,000 even for those who make a buttload and could obviously afford to pay more? Where did they come up with 6 grand? Obviously not from any economists. It's just an idea.
whoo689 2 years ago
@whoo689 The more I learn about what this Health Care Reform doesn't do, the more I think we are getting the run around on what the real intent is to have it. The fact is that Medicare and all the other Federally funded medical services in this nation will grow and in the end go broke. Passing some of that expense to the population, through Insurance co, will prolong the demise but not solve the problem.
Boomer1949 2 years ago
Is government run health care going to raise your taxes? FACT: Yes.
Is grhc going to create more jobs? FACT: No.
Is grhc going to make you more healthy? FACT: No.
Is grhc going to create health care rationing? FACT: Yes.
Is grhc going to create doctor and nurse shortages? FACT: Yes.
Is grhc going to be the same "Top Notch" health care that congress gets? FACT: No.
Is grhc going to save more lives? FACT: No.
Is grhc going to cost more than what you're paying the insurance companies? FACT: Yes.
demonpreyer 2 years ago 7
LOL. I can't believe your "facts" got 7 thumbs up, only speaks of the sheer ignorance of people posting here
First, "grhc" isn't in the bill.
Would it create more jobs? Ofcourse it would, some
Make you healthy? Well, if everyone is covered, then you would have a healthier population.
Rationing? As opposed to not having universal health care - the ULTIMATE form of rationing. Can't afford it? No HC.
Save lives? Ofcourse it would. 44000 Americans die every year do to lack of health insurance.
kekemankek 2 years ago
I love that statistic, because it makes the magical assumption all those 44 thousand would have survived had they gotten health care. What did they die of? Cancer? Heart disease? Would they magically all be here if they had received care? I doubt it....
TheAustrian08 2 years ago 4
And 36,000 a year die from the normal flu. They need to regulate it.
Mdl1038spl 2 years ago
"Is grhc going to cost more than what you're paying the insurance companies? "
FACT: NO
Single-payer is more efficient. These are the facts: US spends 16% of its GDP on health care. Other wealthy industrialized countries with single-payer spend about 8-9%.
In the US, 31 cents of every dollar spent on health care goes to administrative fees. In Canadas universal health insurance system, it's 1.3 cents.
It would cost less since there's noone pulling profits in "GHRC".
/watch?v=Jng4TnKqy6A
kekemankek 2 years ago
And because Canada has universal health care they produce very few new medicines or medical advances and have worse outcomes in almost all categories. Average wait for an MRI - 6 WEEKS! It's no utopia in Canada.
BriansVideoHobby 2 years ago 2
does calling something a FACT make it so?
FACT: No
(why would you believe someone named demonpreyer too begin with...?)
kekemankek, no matter how many facts you present, unfortunately Rupert Murdoch has packaged a more compelling show to deliver MISinformation, and these folks are too ( WHAT?) to fact check.
FACT: Jefferson and other framers of the constitution did a great job, assuming a well informed citizenry, calculated to prevent as well as to correct abuse.
See the problem here? Yep.
doc4care 2 years ago
This video tells a lot of truth. The truth they dont tell you is, the corporations will make this bill work for a year or two, and then when everyone moves on...BAM!...They steal your money. Sad but true. We just need to get corporations out of government and everything will be fixed.
MyGrassroots 2 years ago 2
Agreed. And the best way to do that is to reduce the power of congress. If congress lacked the power to cut special deals and give special subsidies, then the corps would never try to bribe them with campaign contributions or lobby for special pork and powers to be stuck in bills.
Go back to the limitations of the Constitution and our corporate influence problems are greatly reduced.
freesk8 2 years ago 4
lol
jwka2001 2 years ago
Man that host had a lush head of hair,,,,, fuck ill say it again LUSH.
jwka2001 2 years ago