Mystery Box I fail to detect in your comments on this video a true understanding of why it was made or what it is about. You keep using words like "show" and "hypnotism" without seeming to be aware that this is not too different from the tricks that have routinely been used and continue to be used by Christian evangelists and, indeed, Roman Catholic priests. You do see that, dont you? And his purpose? To show how people who want to control you can fuck with your mind...like your priest..
@7j8i9m the clip is from Derren Brown Messiah, he's doing it to educate people about psychics etc., he doesn't believe it and he told the people afterwords that it wasn't real.
@thesparitan There's nothing to really protect yourself from. Brown, nor anyone else, can actually make you believe in a god if don't, or vice-versa, without a great, great, great deal more time and effort than what is displayed in this video. Brown is doing nothing more than exploiting every-day, ordinary human psychological phenomena - like social compliance, etc. He didn't actually get anyone to sincerely change their views. He's an illusionist, a performer, an entertainer.
@BloatedSensations Sorry, I clicked reply on the wrong comment. See my first line where it says "There's nothing to really protect yourself from"? Now, look at the comment a couple spots above yours. I was answering ampoules1's question, and hit the wrong reply button by accident. It was an honest mistake. So, next time, perhaps you shouldn't be so hasty with your vitriolic drivel, you sub-moronic, ineffectual, pathetically worthless fucking panty-stain.
It's very a interesting subject, Subliminal Suggestion. Very important that we all know the tricks of the trade that religious, political or community leaders excel in. No one is immune to it, but you can be kept on your guard by knowing the pitfalls in advance.
pretty scary, and who knows what religious nuts would do to an audience of 1000, maybe kill abortion doctors on a rampage or something like that. highly unlikely yes, but possible. and for the record I AM a believer but a more scientific one.
Why do you act as if what Derren is doing, needs debunking, when his entire purpose is to debunk what religious leaders do to their sheep by using these and other devious methods?
Having seen the entire programme Derren convinced six experts in their field that he was the real deal......and they were willing to endorse him. He also said if anyone said to him.......Is this a trick?......he would readily admit to it.........If Derren who is an atheist, was so inclined he would be a billionaire in America within five years.......but he is a decent man........and a bloody good entertainer.
When I was a Christian. I can remember exact things said to me when I was at church. Pretty embarrassing now thinking about it. I did the whole fall back thing, I basically did any thing what my pastor told me. :(
This guy is a modern day Houdini. Ppl can say what they want but BOTTOM LINE is if he came up to any sceptic and met them in person he would change thier point of view in minutes. He is THAT good. who cares if it is fake (even though he admits everything is via suggestion,showmanship etc) . HE pulls it off brilliantly...don't you just hate all the fucking haters around.can't they just appreciate it for what it is .MIND - FUCKING - BLOWING!
@MattMzansi He is brilliant, and yet he does VERY clearly admit to being a fake and using the oldest tricks in the book to demonstrate that he can basically go anywhere and do what he does, and thus debunk these delusions, religious or not.
I would be OK with Derren Brown if he admitted that what he did wasn't magic - but he's in a constant state of denial and can't come to terms with the fact he isn't a real magician.
@420dogowner He admits that it's all trickery . . . that was the point of his "Messiah" special where he did these "conversions." He wanted to show that he could do the same thing by trickery and thus show that a lot of what goes on with evangelists/psychics is trickery and should be questioned.
Questioned? Not really. Refuted, debunked and disposed of.
There isn't any plausible reason to believe in any superstitions. Neither goddies, goblins, ghosts, astrology, homoeopathy, mediums, telepaths nor whatever else comes up in peoples odd and influenceable minds.
And "it doesn't harm" isn't right either. As soon as you fraud yourself into peoples minds, take their money, give them a clearly FALSE feeling of confidence and comfort, that is fraudery and you DO harm those people.
@420dogowner the whole point of Derren Brown is that he illustrates that most things that we perceive is because of our subconscious. Watch the Derren Brown video about his "Taxedermy" that hes opening where he gets 2 marketers to draw up a logo and slogan for his company. He draws a picture beforehand and gets the Marketing Professionals to draw the exact picture and identical slogan just by the mental cues he has given them. he doesnt think hes a magician, you're %100 wrong with that.
@pleasendlost Actually, he is a magician and a very good one too. His sleight-of-hand is skill with cards is excellent. He just doesn`t do many card tricks these days.
I think a lot of people are missing the point here. The point of THIS video is not to "expose" Derren Brown AFAIK. It's simply to explain which specific methods he uses, since these are not directly obvious in the clip.
Another good thing to note is the male subject's proximity to the podium. He could clearly hear Derren move it, which could be yet another subtle cue that he would later occupy that space.
Another good thing to note is the male subject's proximity to the podium. He could clearly hear Derren move it, which could be yet anothe subtle cue that he would later occupy that space.
The point is that Derren in his own words uses "psychology, misdirection, suggestion and showmanship". You're pointing out that he does this as thought it invalidates the fact that he does.
@mystrybox -I'm not sure I understand your point - if you watch all 8 parts of his documentary you will find he wanted to show just how easy it is to convince people to believe in supernatural causes. He proclaims at the outset of part 1 that he has no magical powers, no paranormal gifts, or any messianic powers - to the contrary, he is trying to show how simple illusionary tricks are used by psychics, faith healers, evangelists, and others to claim they have special powers.
Staged Hypnosis show.. I saw a guy, motivation sker, Chroistian, hypnotisist. He began by saying SOME people are NOT suceptable to Hypnosis. The people still awake when the other 18 were asleep were thanked and dismissed. Just like Brown's method of culling the strong minded from the possible and open to influence people.
His voice and word use are subtle and skilled. he could bake a lot of money if he used it like Benny Hinn uses his ability.
This video gives off the vibe that it is like debunking what Brown did. Brown would openly admit he used cheap and simple suggestion for this stunt, just like all the other phonies. Talk about missing the point.
So an illusionist who says he uses "psychology, misdirection, suggestion and showmanship" to achieve his effects was using hypnosis (suggestion) when he did a show where he set out to prove he could fabricate supposedly supernatural results with the techniques he uses in his magic act?
If there was an award for "Missing the Point" this video would deserve it.
I think the first girl who talked about the inner-hug was a stooge. She was planted in the audience to alienate and bring the audience in deeper. I don't know if hypnotist actually do this on stage, but i can see a benefit to have one actor play a part so the rest will fall in line.
@rockos414 - could very well be a plant - that would be part of the act. Just as is done with evangelist faith healers and others. It makes things more convincing if you see others affected - then if you aren't affected, it might make you wonder "what's wrong with me?" so that would be a big motivator for one to embrace the momment and claim to have the same effect even if one doesn't just to not feel left out.
Well - the opening credits of the film say "no actors or stooges were used in the making of this film".
The girl looks genuine enough. That was otherwise a very subtle tear-jerking performance - in which case we would know who she was because she would have won an Oscar by now.
I'm very impressed with your ideas of how Derren goes about his stuff and a lot of it makes sense. We all know that the guy is a self admitted showman and all the better for it. I also like the way that you try and understand what he does but still feel impressed by the way that he does it.
Derren is a genius at what he does and watching your interpretation of it is fun.
if you watch the whole thing ''Derren Brown: Messiah'' he actually explains why he does what he does, its not conversion.. derren is the best at making people think what he wants through hypnosis , trickery, deception, magic and suggestion. he explains this! watch the full episode and MORE derren brown videos by searching his name on Youtube TV SHOWS section. He is absoultely amazing !
warning if you beleive is god, ghosts, mediums etc then you may be surprised at what you find in his shows.
It's really disturbing that these days there are these self-announced "experts" on religion who then debunk their own limited view of how religions supposedly works and what it means.
Religion in the end is at the root of all of our societal contracts.
It's a way of how we communicate with our own subconscious and how we explain ourselves to ourselves.
I really hate this sensationalist B.S. - one can only hope that people can rise above it and be smarter.
@transfixedtornado I disagree with your last statement, as I think it should be made clear that religion and spirituality are very different things. Spirituality is a way for people to find themselves, and not necessarily through religion. Religion has brought beautiful things, but it has also led people astray (through people abusing positions of power). I think the world could live without religion, if people could only look within themselves for spiritual guidance, and not through scripture.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you believe, and it doesn't matter what is true the on amazing concept that is mind blowing to all humans is the fact that something came from nothing, something always existed and wasn't created, whether it was God or whether it was a chemilcal explosion or whatever it its pretty amazing.
@freakymushroomgal. The claim that God isn't real may be premature, as it takes as much faith to believe that before the universe, before the existence of anything, there where just 2 lumps of rocks which collided in a infinitely empty space ( as what could be restricting this space of nothing when nothing exists to encompass it) and became the universe.
Actually when you think about it this claim is a lot more ludicrous then the theory of God, as we have to question first, what propelled these 2 lumps of rock towards each other ( I'm not sure gravity exists in a void of nothing), and if it does imagine the gravitational pull these 2 rocks would have to exert to fling themselves from an infinity of space toward each other, or the magnetic pull that must have been achieved. i think the better question to ask is why should we worship him?
Now I'm not on here to convert anyone (lol I'm not a Jehovah's Witness) jks :) but i think for people who believe(such as myself) its important to ask yourself this question and come up with a reasonable answer (not cause the bible told you or you will go to hell).
i have no idea where you got your theory of 2 rocks colliding to create the big bang, gravity exists in a void of nothing... its called outer space and since you are stuck to the floor id say gravity is doing its job just fine. black holes exert gravity that not even light can escape, and where your idea of a magnetic pull comes is is beyond me. i suggest you look at Einsteins work on time space singularities then come back to write something useful
@fulmetalmage lol one, you do realize you contradicted yourself, you just said that in a void of nothing something exists, outer space, lol we define space as one of 2 things, the distance between object A and B, or outer space which is basically stars, planets and so on, how can either definition fit in the term NOTHING, which means, to dumb it down, that things DO NOT EXIST, OR NOTHING EXISTS.
@SuperJunk89 outer space is not the stars and the planets, it is the space beyond any celestial body, you are also forgetting deep space, intergalectary space, interstellar space, interplanetary space. this space is a void, a definition of which is "containing no matter". so thats the "dumbed down" version, in actual reality its not quite as simple as that, but if youre interested pick up a book and study.
very good analysis of the hypnotic stages which he is taking them through. i thoroughly enjoyed it. Aldous Huxley in his book 'Heaven and Hell' sequel to 'the doors of perception' looks at many of the common features in churches and such which lend themselves to creating the atmosphere. singing hymns for instance he likens to many yogic breathing exercises, many of which (contrary to belief) increase co2 in the lungs rather than oxygen intake (linked with certain hallucinations/spiritual exp)
Derren Brown makes it very clear that he is trying to convince everyone by tricking them in the Messiah video. The whole thing is to prove that we are very easily convinced and suggestion is key. Good to know how he is doing it, but those thinking along the lines of 'I don't believe he would use such cheap tricks' need to understand that he will of course use cheap tricks as our common day cons in all areas he touched upon, use similar 'cheap' tricks, and he is pointing out our vulnerability.
ohhhhh nonononono. the human race is not gullible, that is if your mind is not that powerful or in other words ur quite stupid, ignorant and like u say gullible. u dont always have to fall into these traps that derren brings out. the mind is capable to just ignore these and get on with life although i dont think many people would pass the chance to be controled and hypnotized by derron or anyone else.
u talk to much shyt....hypnotysism isnt real....its mind control...through body language...through eye contact and sublimil message through talk...uve know clue wat ur talk about
@MystryBox I know this is 9 months later than the comment, but a lecture is usually teaching a person something and more than one sentence long. I also agree with @krisashmore
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hahaha you jackass derren might claim to be an athiest now for sensation but when he was younger he was an extremely strong christian happy to talk about god to anyone
you "outgrow" a belief in god, the same way teenagers think they know everything. Its a rebellious, pompus, better-than-you attitude that breeds atheism. You dont believe in relgion? thats understandable, but to say you KNOW this world is ALL there is, please! its not childish to believe in god, its just honest and humble.
Yes, teens have a tendency to be know-it-alls. And that's exactly the type of attitude that makes religion so appealing to them, because faith provides absolute, unchanging answers to all of those nagging Big Questions of life.
Teens are also lazy, which makes faith even more appealing: There's no reason to take the time and effort to think things through for yourself when you already have a ready-made, one-size-fits-all belief system to latch onto!... (cont.)
but its rare for teens to find god, when not raised with such a belief. I do embrace doubt and uncertainty. I do know claim with 100% certainty that i am right, because to do so would be pompus.
A true christian, would not have a superior atittude, but reach out to the "nonb-believers." if not, then they arent practicing christianity th way it was taught by christ.
That's sort of my point: religion is not something that young people are likely to embrace unless there is an older, authority figure urging them to.
And remember, Jesus called those who rejected him "serpents and vipers" and "fools." He was loving toward those who followed him, but had little patience with others.
PLEASE! jesus taught forgivness and not to pass judgement on sinnser. the women at the well, the lady who touched his garment, the woman who was caught adultering, the disciples asked should they stone her? jesus replied, "he who is without sin, cast the first stone"
if you honestly believe jesus didnt teach compassion to all people, you must go back and read the bible
I'm not talking about what Jesus taught; I'm talking about his ACTIONS.
True, he showed moments of great compassion. At other times he was consumed with anger. He was often dismissive of his family, and he spoke ill of the people who rejected him.
In other words, he himself didn't live up to his teachings.
wow, i cant believe what im reading. You will try anything to slander god, no?
i can think of one time jesus was angry, when they had turned the temple of worship into a market. But this was warranted.
please give examples of what you are talking about. he cured the sick, he reached out to the lame and weak, he died on the cross for our sins. Im not sure what you mean by he didnt live up to his teachings. I think you arent doing your own intelligence justice by saying this
please tell me who your creator is then. Also you didnt defend your original post on how jesus didnt live up to his teachings. You havent actually read the new testament have you?
I sat down one afternoon and read all four gospels straight though. It was quite enlightening, because I got to see Jesus how he really was, and not just how people describe him.
There's no denying moments of great tenderness in the gospels, and the Sermon on the Mount contains much spiritual truth. But at times Jesus could be impulsive, even immature, and many of his teachings--"resist ye not evil," "take no thought for the morrow"--are absurd outside of an apocalyptic setting... (cont.)
Personally, I prefer Buddha. He too taught compassion and empathy, but he also had deep insights into human psychology. He's how Jesus might have turned out had Jesus lived longer and learned more.
My Creator isn't a "who." Narrow, anthropomorphic gods are indefensible when one considers our current understanding of the scale and complexity of the universe.
The God of theism was created in man's image. To ascribe to the Creator of this incomprehensibly vast cosmos all the quirks and characteristics found in a single species on a single planet is the height of hubris. Humans are incredibly self-centered and insecure, so it's no wonder that we end up being prized by the gods we invent. We want so badly to feel special.
i see what your saying. you just dressed up the statement "man made god, not the other way around." which coincidentally is one of the first things i heard my girlfriend say when i first met her 7 years ago. she now believes in a god, but is not christian...yet.
anyways i see your point of view, i disagree, thanks for your time.
Don't get me wrong, it's not the reality of God that I'm dismissing. What I find bothersome are simplistic (and outdated) CONCEPTIONS of God--like the ones found in the Bible, the Koran, the Bghavad-gita, and every other "holy book" that humanity has produced so far.
you would rather go to hell and burn than go to heaven and spend eternity with a God who loved you so much that he died for your sins? If he loves you as much as christians say, and took pain and sacrifice for you, why would you not love him?
i wouldn't. i would rather go to Hell and burn than side with a 'god' that says the punishment for being gay, which HE made them in the first place, is death. a 'god' that let someone offer ther own DAUGHTERS for rape rather than let angels get raped and then applauded them for it. a 'god' that lets people in Haiti die and then, even worse, let's people thank him for saving them. Tell me this, if he could and did save their lives, why on Earth did he let so many other people die?
you have clearly been misled and dont understand the concept of God.
first off,
People dont go to hell for being Gay. Yes many people are born gay, but its the acting on these feelings, and their acts of homesexuality that is sinful.
But being gay in orientation is not a sin, if born that way.
Yes it is a difficult hand to be dealt, to be a gay christian, but many people live with it, and live a happy, healthy christian life.
"even worse, lets people thank them for saving them"
again, you have no clue. You have this image that God is a puppet master pulling our strings and letting people do or say certain things. This is not the case, and christians never claimed it to be. You can do or say what you want, this is true free will.
We should thank God for everything that happens to us, whether we barely survive or not.
God was crucified for us, so that we wont go to hell, so we owe him much more..
we owe him much more than he owes us. In fact he owes us nothing. As God of the universe, he has no obligation to do anything, but because he is Holy, he died for the sins that WE commit against HIM. Do you understand this concept? So yes we should thank him for everything.
You know it is primarily people that live in FIRST world countries that cant reconcile God and suffering, even though WE have the LEAST amount of suffering on the glove. THIRD world people believe in God, so why cant you?
Hm... i like ur point about th 3rd world countries. They really do need something to grasp onto and believe that can help them. what a wonderful conveinince God would be for them :)
also, you've contraticted yourself. you said that God doesn't control us. Yes? that we have free will. you then said that we should thank him for everything that happens to us. Why??? if it's our free will, y on earth should i thank god for what ive done myself???
going onto ur gay point. if god is so nice, y on earth is he creating gay people that can't be with people they love???
and wts so bad about being gay??? ask god that. y on earth can't they have sex? i mean fair enough he wants them to have more humans (tht tbh, he seems to be constantly complaining about) but y is he making these people that hav 2 live without relationships.
God really ain't sounding like a nice guy or a real guy to me. :) sorry.
because the world isnt lollipops and rainbows DOESNT mean God isnt "nice".
You have to get past the idea of our purpose in life, being God creating a nice little aqurium life for us. Thats just not the case. Heaven will be absolutely perfect for those who choose it though.
Saying we have free will does not mean God does not ever intervene. He can grant blessings on people, in which we should be thankful for. Because of the cross he does not directly punish people for sins..
@ronhudsonjr Yes Ladies and Gents. God is like some kind of Warcraft Elite player or a Forum Admin of some kind. As long as you behave , u are fine but if you step out of line, he will lay the smack down on you.
There is no Christian God. There is only the lady Galadriel and Tolkien is her Prophet. Do not blaspheme against the lady of the wood lest she smite thee and thy penis shrivel to that of a shrew
But if he has the power, why doesn't he use it? E.g. If there was a family of five involved in a fire and 3 died, the other two may thank God for saving their lives, but surely if God saved their lives, he could've saved the other 3? Just 'choosing' not to intervene isn't really an excuse. If you were in an armed robbery and the robber asked if you if he should shoot everyone in the room and you replied 'urm.. yeah go on, but dn't shoot those 2,' tht would make u a bad person would it not?
doesnt punish ppl for sins in THIS life. We have an almost infinite number of chances to choose heaven over hell, its a matter of faith, and letting go of ego.
Whats the matter with Homosexuality? well the bible clearly states its wrongs in Gods eyes, and because he created sexuality, he is a righteous judge on what is natural, and what is unnatural. People are born with handicaps, and birth defects too, this dosnt mean God hates them. I believe homosexuality is wrong but i dont hate ppl for it
One day the older daughter said to her sister, 'There isn't a man anywhere in this entire area for us to marry. And our father will soon be too old to have children. Come, lets get him drunk with wine, and then we will sleep with him. That way we will preserve our family line through our father.' So that night they got him drunk, and the older daughter went in and slept with her father. He was unaware of her lying down or getting up again.
No, I didn't. That's the second part of the story, which I hadn't heard. But I checked it just to be sure, and Lot offers his daughter to the villagers, claiming that they're virgins so that they'd leave the angles alone. The angels then REWARD his family by telling them that the village is being destroyed (or something alone those lines) and, simply because she looks back and God told her not to, God turns her into salt... Hm... I think a time out would've been sufficient?
nope. my claim is God isn't real. but if he is real, and he is how he is potrayed in the bible and the christian religion, then he definitely is not worthy of worship.
@ronhudsonjr ..ummm Please check your facts when talking about the 3rd world. Yes the simple folks of the 3rd world believe in some God but most of the scholars do not. Infact, Orthodox Buddhism does not believe in an almighty CEO in the sky at all. Check your facts
just as the wealthy elite have no obligation to help the 3rd world countries right? so they give them a higher power, maybe to convince them that this is their place in the world thus not to chalange their status. give them an idealogical figure which was poor himself, stating "blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" now lets get the religions to fight amongs themselves, so they are too busy to bother us. while they keep us enslaved through debt. religion is a weapon
@fulmetalmage i just completed my pcyhology degree dissertation and conducted shed loads of psychological and scientific empirical research and much of the evidence for it suggests religion is nothing more than a coping mechanism and a product of heightened imaginative ability. Howere there are studies which claim to prove existence of God, however it would be good to point out that these studies are actually funded by institiutions pushing for a belief in God!
...Moreover, when a person believes they possess capital-T Truth, it often fosters a better-than-you attitude towards all those "lost" nonbelievers.
I've yet to meet an atheist who says they "know the world is all there is"; they simply acknowledge that there is no compelling evidence that any godlike being exists. They understand and accept that UNCERTAINTY and DOUBT are part of the human condition. And that, my friend, is TRUE humility.
i'll be honest and say i have had serious issues with doubt in the past. The only time i can think of was after watching zeitgeist. i stepped back, and said honestly, i have to research if this is true. if it is, Christianity is false, if its not, then i continue believing. It turns out its one of the most dishonest, innacurate films ever. But im just giving you an example of my humility
Don't get me wrong, I realize that many teenagers, in a show of juvenile rebellion, will reject the religious beliefs in which they were raised. But these kids are in the minority, and most of young people (at least 80%) will end up with the same religion as their parents.
However, ask any evangelist and they'll tell you that people in their late teens are early 20s are among the easiest to convert. They're naive, emotional, and easily persuaded--the perfect fodder for Christianity.
we dont disbelieve in santa because of a lack of evidence. we disbelieve in santa because there is GOOD evidence he DOES not exist. We know humans could not possibly deliver to every house in oen night, and that millions of kids around the world dont recieve presents nor have chimneys, nor celebrate christmas, nor can reindeer fly. Its a comparison born out of poor philosophy...elementary really
also my examples given were pertaining to women on purpose, because at this time in history, women were not treated fairly, but jesus demonstrated fairness and sympathy, even to the women who sinned. he really is love
In this program Derren did pretend to be different people with "real" paranormal powers unless anyone asked him if he was fake (the program was called "Messiah?"). then he'd admit all... no one did ask him, they all assumed he had real powers.
The point being, of course, that people are easily convinced by trickery.
Great explanation. :) I watched a whole bunch of videos about Derren and I;m starting to get it. I love how honest he is and tells us it's ALL tricks. He has made me more rational than ever, I'm very thankful for that.
However, people I showed the explanations to still believe in psychics. Proofs how people just want to believe what they desire. They tell me Derren can't proof that psycics are fake, but he does!!! It's a technique! They just don't want to hear it.. it's a shame.
He falls because he decides to fall. He decides to do it at the suggestion of Derren for various psychological reasons. If he didn't want to fall he wouldn't (however Derren wouldn't have picked someone like that in the first place). Hypnosis isn't magic, it's just suggestion.
I was "hypnotized" once by my psychology teacher. She basically put different images in my head, but I was pretty disappointed because I expected hypnosis to be more magical. It was nothing more than her telling me to imagine different things. if that was hypnosis I had complete control over my body and she couldn't tell me to do something I wouldn't normally do. Thats why I am skeptical of this video where Darren converts non believers instantaneously. Oh and bangbus as far as I know wasnt real
you do know that derren brown is one of the very few who openly admits that it's all tricks and mind games?
Adsem 2 days ago
maybe he just wants to educate.
MrTobybuddy 2 months ago
Mystery Box I fail to detect in your comments on this video a true understanding of why it was made or what it is about. You keep using words like "show" and "hypnotism" without seeming to be aware that this is not too different from the tricks that have routinely been used and continue to be used by Christian evangelists and, indeed, Roman Catholic priests. You do see that, dont you? And his purpose? To show how people who want to control you can fuck with your mind...like your priest..
CobinRain 3 months ago
Good video but how do we protect ourselves from this?
ampoules1 3 months ago
So.... does the guy in this video believe this, or does he seriously need to cater to people who are that stupid?
7j8i9m 4 months ago
@7j8i9m the clip is from Derren Brown Messiah, he's doing it to educate people about psychics etc., he doesn't believe it and he told the people afterwords that it wasn't real.
Golkarian 1 month ago
Its obvious he is using his atheist powers.
thesparitan 4 months ago 2
@thesparitan There's nothing to really protect yourself from. Brown, nor anyone else, can actually make you believe in a god if don't, or vice-versa, without a great, great, great deal more time and effort than what is displayed in this video. Brown is doing nothing more than exploiting every-day, ordinary human psychological phenomena - like social compliance, etc. He didn't actually get anyone to sincerely change their views. He's an illusionist, a performer, an entertainer.
BloatedSensations 3 months ago
@BloatedSensations I know, I was making a joke. Stop being so serious and stop trying to show other people how intelligent you are.
thesparitan 3 months ago
@BloatedSensations Sorry, I clicked reply on the wrong comment. See my first line where it says "There's nothing to really protect yourself from"? Now, look at the comment a couple spots above yours. I was answering ampoules1's question, and hit the wrong reply button by accident. It was an honest mistake. So, next time, perhaps you shouldn't be so hasty with your vitriolic drivel, you sub-moronic, ineffectual, pathetically worthless fucking panty-stain.
BloatedSensations 3 months ago
It's very a interesting subject, Subliminal Suggestion. Very important that we all know the tricks of the trade that religious, political or community leaders excel in. No one is immune to it, but you can be kept on your guard by knowing the pitfalls in advance.
Good video as always
123backinyerface 4 months ago 4
pretty scary, and who knows what religious nuts would do to an audience of 1000, maybe kill abortion doctors on a rampage or something like that. highly unlikely yes, but possible. and for the record I AM a believer but a more scientific one.
TeslaDRay 5 months ago
how do we know the whole thing wasn't staged?!? :(
If what we should take away from this is to be skeptical.. Then what can we say about the nature of this?
SHIBBYiPANDA 5 months ago
if ur not an expert who cares wat u think
firewoodforall 6 months ago
@firewoodforall If you can't write, who cares what you think?
deini 6 months ago
Why do you act as if what Derren is doing, needs debunking, when his entire purpose is to debunk what religious leaders do to their sheep by using these and other devious methods?
AtheistToothFairy 6 months ago
Having seen the entire programme Derren convinced six experts in their field that he was the real deal......and they were willing to endorse him. He also said if anyone said to him.......Is this a trick?......he would readily admit to it.........If Derren who is an atheist, was so inclined he would be a billionaire in America within five years.......but he is a decent man........and a bloody good entertainer.
movement26 6 months ago 2
i like how you can see the old youtube style in this video :D
Fugslidy 6 months ago
When I was a Christian. I can remember exact things said to me when I was at church. Pretty embarrassing now thinking about it. I did the whole fall back thing, I basically did any thing what my pastor told me. :(
truckcompany 7 months ago 3
i took a shit and it looked like god
elliments 8 months ago
God is all shit
JonnieGraham 8 months ago
This guy is a modern day Houdini. Ppl can say what they want but BOTTOM LINE is if he came up to any sceptic and met them in person he would change thier point of view in minutes. He is THAT good. who cares if it is fake (even though he admits everything is via suggestion,showmanship etc) . HE pulls it off brilliantly...don't you just hate all the fucking haters around.can't they just appreciate it for what it is .MIND - FUCKING - BLOWING!
MattMzansi 8 months ago 17
@MattMzansi He is brilliant, and yet he does VERY clearly admit to being a fake and using the oldest tricks in the book to demonstrate that he can basically go anywhere and do what he does, and thus debunk these delusions, religious or not.
IDoNotBlameYou 6 months ago
Your frogs are freaking me out, I keep worrying they're coming from outside my window. ><
Scurvebeard 8 months ago
I love Derren Brown, he's so genuine (: <3
babyxdanii101 8 months ago
his stuff seems to be fake because of some pretty easily-verifiable facts and common sense.
if you have questions or want me to expound... just ask.
ZRadach 10 months ago
see the video where he mugs people with only words
Kdajrocks 11 months ago
It seems to me, that the man MUST be a "plant", and is reactin go tthe SOUND of browns foot on the floor, or a "sniff" from his noese, or soemthing.
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 1 year ago
@pleaseendlost Actually he says "This programme fuses magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship"
crispoman 1 year ago
guys shut up, derren brown is god
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@420dogowner Watch the first episode of the Messiah serie here on YT. he is there saying
"...and using my skills of magic; Suggestion, Psychology, Misdirection and Showmanship..."
What he is saying is that that is his kind of magic. I am not putting words in his mouth.. but I am putting memories in yours mind ;)
But then of course, I don't know much about what he said before, but right now we are here.
1ecaj 1 year ago
I would be OK with Derren Brown if he admitted that what he did wasn't magic - but he's in a constant state of denial and can't come to terms with the fact he isn't a real magician.
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1ecaj 1 year ago
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@420dogowner Watch the first episode of the Messiah episode here on YT. he is there saying
"...and using my skills of magic; Suggestion, Psychology, Misdirection and Showmanship..."
What I think he is saying is that that is his kind of magic. I am not putting words in his mouth.. but I am putting memories in yours ;)
But then again, I don't know so much about him, so don't know what he said before.
1ecaj 1 year ago
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@420dogowner Watch the first episode of the Messiah serie here on YT. he is there saying
"...and using my skills of magic; Suggestion, Psychology, Misdirection and Showmanship..."
What he is saying is that that is his kind of magic. I am not putting words in his mouth.. but I am putting memories in yours mind ;)
But then of course, I don't know much about what he said before, but right now we are here.
1ecaj 1 year ago
@420dogowner He admits that it's all trickery . . . that was the point of his "Messiah" special where he did these "conversions." He wanted to show that he could do the same thing by trickery and thus show that a lot of what goes on with evangelists/psychics is trickery and should be questioned.
YankHoe 1 year ago 30
@YankHoe
Questioned? Not really. Refuted, debunked and disposed of.
There isn't any plausible reason to believe in any superstitions. Neither goddies, goblins, ghosts, astrology, homoeopathy, mediums, telepaths nor whatever else comes up in peoples odd and influenceable minds.
kenninast 2 weeks ago
@kenninast
And "it doesn't harm" isn't right either. As soon as you fraud yourself into peoples minds, take their money, give them a clearly FALSE feeling of confidence and comfort, that is fraudery and you DO harm those people.
kenninast 2 weeks ago
@420dogowner the whole point of Derren Brown is that he illustrates that most things that we perceive is because of our subconscious. Watch the Derren Brown video about his "Taxedermy" that hes opening where he gets 2 marketers to draw up a logo and slogan for his company. He draws a picture beforehand and gets the Marketing Professionals to draw the exact picture and identical slogan just by the mental cues he has given them. he doesnt think hes a magician, you're %100 wrong with that.
Bbfishman 1 year ago
@420dogowner you dumb fool, at the beginning of EVERY SINGLE programme he does he says he IS NOT a magician!
pleasendlost 1 year ago
@pleasendlost Actually, he is a magician and a very good one too. His sleight-of-hand is skill with cards is excellent. He just doesn`t do many card tricks these days.
nikh158 1 year ago
Derren is the shizz
OCDpatient 1 year ago
I think a lot of people are missing the point here. The point of THIS video is not to "expose" Derren Brown AFAIK. It's simply to explain which specific methods he uses, since these are not directly obvious in the clip.
Thanks for explaining.
JodaSFU 1 year ago 6
This is why I am into Advertising...like taking money from an open bank! Appreciate the vid. Ebs
Ebsteins31653 1 year ago
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Another good thing to note is the male subject's proximity to the podium. He could clearly hear Derren move it, which could be yet another subtle cue that he would later occupy that space.
multitasker235 1 year ago
Another good thing to note is the male subject's proximity to the podium. He could clearly hear Derren move it, which could be yet anothe subtle cue that he would later occupy that space.
multitasker235 1 year ago
At last, Benny Hinn has been explained.
avilameon 1 year ago
I don't know how Derren Brown does it, I'm not a expert, I changed the webpage.
Psychology411 1 year ago
What's your next video going to be... a warning to everyone that cartoons aren't real?
You have good intentions but try next time to channel that into something useful : )
But rest assure I feel safer knowing that I don't have to kill the roadrunner...Pffeeew
crashtestdeity 1 year ago
Well, this was a pointless video.
Like many have said. You're missing the point.
The point is that Derren in his own words uses "psychology, misdirection, suggestion and showmanship". You're pointing out that he does this as thought it invalidates the fact that he does.
PascalsWager5 1 year ago
@mystrybox -I'm not sure I understand your point - if you watch all 8 parts of his documentary you will find he wanted to show just how easy it is to convince people to believe in supernatural causes. He proclaims at the outset of part 1 that he has no magical powers, no paranormal gifts, or any messianic powers - to the contrary, he is trying to show how simple illusionary tricks are used by psychics, faith healers, evangelists, and others to claim they have special powers.
notfauxnooz 1 year ago
I bet Christians were all fluffy and happy LMAO. Some people conform easily than others, I like stuff like this. Pretty interesting.
HybridD91 1 year ago
Staged Hypnosis show.. I saw a guy, motivation sker, Chroistian, hypnotisist. He began by saying SOME people are NOT suceptable to Hypnosis. The people still awake when the other 18 were asleep were thanked and dismissed. Just like Brown's method of culling the strong minded from the possible and open to influence people.
His voice and word use are subtle and skilled. he could bake a lot of money if he used it like Benny Hinn uses his ability.
BadWolfMom 1 year ago
This video gives off the vibe that it is like debunking what Brown did. Brown would openly admit he used cheap and simple suggestion for this stunt, just like all the other phonies. Talk about missing the point.
MaxwellsAttourney 1 year ago
Derren uses Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) . Wanna learn how to hypnotize people? Look it up right here on youtube.
PINTO911 1 year ago
MystryBox how hard is what derren is doing?
would it be acheviable for anyone with practice?
eightteensevintyfour 1 year ago
So an illusionist who says he uses "psychology, misdirection, suggestion and showmanship" to achieve his effects was using hypnosis (suggestion) when he did a show where he set out to prove he could fabricate supposedly supernatural results with the techniques he uses in his magic act?
If there was an award for "Missing the Point" this video would deserve it.
GKL206 1 year ago
@GKL206
No, it's meant for the curious readers who wonder "how come, what happened"... it's you who's missing the point :).
Cassin123 1 year ago
good video.thx
ZenMoodi 1 year ago
I think the first girl who talked about the inner-hug was a stooge. She was planted in the audience to alienate and bring the audience in deeper. I don't know if hypnotist actually do this on stage, but i can see a benefit to have one actor play a part so the rest will fall in line.
rockos414 1 year ago
@rockos414 - could very well be a plant - that would be part of the act. Just as is done with evangelist faith healers and others. It makes things more convincing if you see others affected - then if you aren't affected, it might make you wonder "what's wrong with me?" so that would be a big motivator for one to embrace the momment and claim to have the same effect even if one doesn't just to not feel left out.
notfauxnooz 1 year ago
@rockos414
Well - the opening credits of the film say "no actors or stooges were used in the making of this film".
The girl looks genuine enough. That was otherwise a very subtle tear-jerking performance - in which case we would know who she was because she would have won an Oscar by now.
jazzx251 1 year ago
@jazzx251 You shouldn't believe the credits. BUT i think the girl might have been genuine. That was a good cry, i'll giver her that.
rockos414 1 year ago
well thats believers fooled in a Nut shell
the God thing is a Good scam
and ppl fall 4 it all, and when ppl understand how the trick is done
u no longer get fooled by the same trick.
RealityGameWorld 1 year ago
Food for thought.....But....... It isn't as simple as you think, yes what you see is simple but the "programming" goes on for a while before.
Also, Derren Brown is one of the few who will readily admit he has no 'special' abilities. His main work is to expose those who claim they do!
di55illu5ioned 1 year ago
I'm very impressed with your ideas of how Derren goes about his stuff and a lot of it makes sense. We all know that the guy is a self admitted showman and all the better for it. I also like the way that you try and understand what he does but still feel impressed by the way that he does it.
Derren is a genius at what he does and watching your interpretation of it is fun.
I'd still burn him as a witch :D
rothordegilian 1 year ago
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if you watch the whole thing ''Derren Brown: Messiah'' he actually explains why he does what he does, its not conversion.. derren is the best at making people think what he wants through hypnosis , trickery, deception, magic and suggestion. he explains this! watch the full episode and MORE derren brown videos by searching his name on Youtube TV SHOWS section. He is absoultely amazing !
warning if you beleive is god, ghosts, mediums etc then you may be surprised at what you find in his shows.
leekucia 1 year ago
It's really disturbing that these days there are these self-announced "experts" on religion who then debunk their own limited view of how religions supposedly works and what it means.
Religion in the end is at the root of all of our societal contracts.
It's a way of how we communicate with our own subconscious and how we explain ourselves to ourselves.
I really hate this sensationalist B.S. - one can only hope that people can rise above it and be smarter.
transfixedtornado 1 year ago
@transfixedtornado I disagree with your last statement, as I think it should be made clear that religion and spirituality are very different things. Spirituality is a way for people to find themselves, and not necessarily through religion. Religion has brought beautiful things, but it has also led people astray (through people abusing positions of power). I think the world could live without religion, if people could only look within themselves for spiritual guidance, and not through scripture.
Benheh 1 year ago
The people who came were atheist par 1.
GameByNumbers 1 year ago
try watching this clip in the context of the whole programme, Derren Brown: Messiah stupid yanks
whiskeybadger 1 year ago
I just don't understand the "physic punch"
it sounds extremely cool!
antonbuckley 1 year ago
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you believe, and it doesn't matter what is true the on amazing concept that is mind blowing to all humans is the fact that something came from nothing, something always existed and wasn't created, whether it was God or whether it was a chemilcal explosion or whatever it its pretty amazing.
24magiccarrot 1 year ago
fulmetalmage<--- this guy knows what he is taling abot!!!
rossforsyth5 1 year ago
@freakymushroomgal. The claim that God isn't real may be premature, as it takes as much faith to believe that before the universe, before the existence of anything, there where just 2 lumps of rocks which collided in a infinitely empty space ( as what could be restricting this space of nothing when nothing exists to encompass it) and became the universe.
SuperJunk89 1 year ago
Actually when you think about it this claim is a lot more ludicrous then the theory of God, as we have to question first, what propelled these 2 lumps of rock towards each other ( I'm not sure gravity exists in a void of nothing), and if it does imagine the gravitational pull these 2 rocks would have to exert to fling themselves from an infinity of space toward each other, or the magnetic pull that must have been achieved. i think the better question to ask is why should we worship him?
SuperJunk89 1 year ago
Now I'm not on here to convert anyone (lol I'm not a Jehovah's Witness) jks :) but i think for people who believe(such as myself) its important to ask yourself this question and come up with a reasonable answer (not cause the bible told you or you will go to hell).
SuperJunk89 1 year ago
i have no idea where you got your theory of 2 rocks colliding to create the big bang, gravity exists in a void of nothing... its called outer space and since you are stuck to the floor id say gravity is doing its job just fine. black holes exert gravity that not even light can escape, and where your idea of a magnetic pull comes is is beyond me. i suggest you look at Einsteins work on time space singularities then come back to write something useful
fulmetalmage 1 year ago
@fulmetalmage lol one, you do realize you contradicted yourself, you just said that in a void of nothing something exists, outer space, lol we define space as one of 2 things, the distance between object A and B, or outer space which is basically stars, planets and so on, how can either definition fit in the term NOTHING, which means, to dumb it down, that things DO NOT EXIST, OR NOTHING EXISTS.
SuperJunk89 1 year ago
@SuperJunk89 outer space is not the stars and the planets, it is the space beyond any celestial body, you are also forgetting deep space, intergalectary space, interstellar space, interplanetary space. this space is a void, a definition of which is "containing no matter". so thats the "dumbed down" version, in actual reality its not quite as simple as that, but if youre interested pick up a book and study.
fulmetalmage 1 year ago
i know. he uses demons
ShaunThomasHoy 2 years ago
very good analysis of the hypnotic stages which he is taking them through. i thoroughly enjoyed it. Aldous Huxley in his book 'Heaven and Hell' sequel to 'the doors of perception' looks at many of the common features in churches and such which lend themselves to creating the atmosphere. singing hymns for instance he likens to many yogic breathing exercises, many of which (contrary to belief) increase co2 in the lungs rather than oxygen intake (linked with certain hallucinations/spiritual exp)
danvan123 2 years ago 2
Derren Brown makes it very clear that he is trying to convince everyone by tricking them in the Messiah video. The whole thing is to prove that we are very easily convinced and suggestion is key. Good to know how he is doing it, but those thinking along the lines of 'I don't believe he would use such cheap tricks' need to understand that he will of course use cheap tricks as our common day cons in all areas he touched upon, use similar 'cheap' tricks, and he is pointing out our vulnerability.
marializ9 2 years ago 48
is DB's video a comparison to evangelical faith healing stage shows? curious.
plentifall 2 years ago
everyone has such long messages -_-
JoeyGirsang 2 years ago
If your faith is strong enough you will continue to believe a thing even once you have been shown that it is untrue.
thallassocracy 2 years ago
ohhhhh nonononono. the human race is not gullible, that is if your mind is not that powerful or in other words ur quite stupid, ignorant and like u say gullible. u dont always have to fall into these traps that derren brings out. the mind is capable to just ignore these and get on with life although i dont think many people would pass the chance to be controled and hypnotized by derron or anyone else.
dandaman19951 2 years ago
it's not hypnotism, the human race are just a bunch of gullible robots......most of them, p.s derren rocks.
robinothemagnificent 2 years ago 2
the old youtube player was amazing
webdesignproject 2 years ago 2
i haven't learned anything by watching this.
Are people really THAT naive @ ur country?
btw: he does lots of things i can't explain, but the things you did, we all know. it's like: "duhhh" all the time.
the thing that interest us, is what we don't alrdy know / you know.
...
so, this is actually just a waste of time, (altough not for all i c)
galopmacho 2 years ago
It's not down to naïvety.
TheWiggyProject 2 years ago
lol wud be soo funny if his tabs had porno, good explanation btw.
mojonotsag 2 years ago
u talk to much shyt....hypnotysism isnt real....its mind control...through body language...through eye contact and sublimil message through talk...uve know clue wat ur talk about
tinybaza 2 years ago
haha 'uve know clue wat ur talk about' ... you sir, are a fucking retard
SSdraken 2 years ago
Derren is a militant atheist - your an ignorant Christian. IRONYYYY
krisashmore 2 years ago
You don't know what you're talking about. Try to have a clue if you're going to lecture people.
MystryBox 2 years ago 7
@MystryBox are you trying to imply derren is a god beliver?
TheNaturalPurpose 1 year ago
@MystryBox I know this is 9 months later than the comment, but a lecture is usually teaching a person something and more than one sentence long. I also agree with @krisashmore
Th3H0wT0 1 year ago
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hahaha you jackass derren might claim to be an athiest now for sensation but when he was younger he was an extremely strong christian happy to talk about god to anyone
moekanz 2 years ago
Well, he actualy talk about that and say that he was a christian untill he started thinking for himself.
SunChax 2 years ago
He outgrew his belief in God, the same way that children outgrow a belief in Santa.
ClumsyRoot 2 years ago 3
no,
you "outgrow" a belief in god, the same way teenagers think they know everything. Its a rebellious, pompus, better-than-you attitude that breeds atheism. You dont believe in relgion? thats understandable, but to say you KNOW this world is ALL there is, please! its not childish to believe in god, its just honest and humble.
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
You've got it exactly backward.
Yes, teens have a tendency to be know-it-alls. And that's exactly the type of attitude that makes religion so appealing to them, because faith provides absolute, unchanging answers to all of those nagging Big Questions of life.
Teens are also lazy, which makes faith even more appealing: There's no reason to take the time and effort to think things through for yourself when you already have a ready-made, one-size-fits-all belief system to latch onto!... (cont.)
ClumsyRoot 2 years ago 2
but its rare for teens to find god, when not raised with such a belief. I do embrace doubt and uncertainty. I do know claim with 100% certainty that i am right, because to do so would be pompus.
A true christian, would not have a superior atittude, but reach out to the "nonb-believers." if not, then they arent practicing christianity th way it was taught by christ.
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
That's sort of my point: religion is not something that young people are likely to embrace unless there is an older, authority figure urging them to.
And remember, Jesus called those who rejected him "serpents and vipers" and "fools." He was loving toward those who followed him, but had little patience with others.
ClumsyRoot 2 years ago
PLEASE! jesus taught forgivness and not to pass judgement on sinnser. the women at the well, the lady who touched his garment, the woman who was caught adultering, the disciples asked should they stone her? jesus replied, "he who is without sin, cast the first stone"
if you honestly believe jesus didnt teach compassion to all people, you must go back and read the bible
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
I'm not talking about what Jesus taught; I'm talking about his ACTIONS.
True, he showed moments of great compassion. At other times he was consumed with anger. He was often dismissive of his family, and he spoke ill of the people who rejected him.
In other words, he himself didn't live up to his teachings.
ClumsyRoot 2 years ago
wow, i cant believe what im reading. You will try anything to slander god, no?
i can think of one time jesus was angry, when they had turned the temple of worship into a market. But this was warranted.
please give examples of what you are talking about. he cured the sick, he reached out to the lame and weak, he died on the cross for our sins. Im not sure what you mean by he didnt live up to his teachings. I think you arent doing your own intelligence justice by saying this
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
You're begging the question--you assume that Jesus IS God. I don't, so there's no "slander" involved here.
The true slander is to believe that the cartoonish god of the bible actually exists. I think much more highly of my Creator. :)
ClumsyRoot 2 years ago 2
please tell me who your creator is then. Also you didnt defend your original post on how jesus didnt live up to his teachings. You havent actually read the new testament have you?
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
I sat down one afternoon and read all four gospels straight though. It was quite enlightening, because I got to see Jesus how he really was, and not just how people describe him.
There's no denying moments of great tenderness in the gospels, and the Sermon on the Mount contains much spiritual truth. But at times Jesus could be impulsive, even immature, and many of his teachings--"resist ye not evil," "take no thought for the morrow"--are absurd outside of an apocalyptic setting... (cont.)
ClumsyRoot 2 years ago
Personally, I prefer Buddha. He too taught compassion and empathy, but he also had deep insights into human psychology. He's how Jesus might have turned out had Jesus lived longer and learned more.
My Creator isn't a "who." Narrow, anthropomorphic gods are indefensible when one considers our current understanding of the scale and complexity of the universe.
ClumsyRoot 2 years ago 6
i see...im not quite sure what you mean by your last paragraph. could you clarify?
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
The God of theism was created in man's image. To ascribe to the Creator of this incomprehensibly vast cosmos all the quirks and characteristics found in a single species on a single planet is the height of hubris. Humans are incredibly self-centered and insecure, so it's no wonder that we end up being prized by the gods we invent. We want so badly to feel special.
ClumsyRoot 2 years ago 3
i see what your saying. you just dressed up the statement "man made god, not the other way around." which coincidentally is one of the first things i heard my girlfriend say when i first met her 7 years ago. she now believes in a god, but is not christian...yet.
anyways i see your point of view, i disagree, thanks for your time.
god bless
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
Don't get me wrong, it's not the reality of God that I'm dismissing. What I find bothersome are simplistic (and outdated) CONCEPTIONS of God--like the ones found in the Bible, the Koran, the Bghavad-gita, and every other "holy book" that humanity has produced so far.
Peace.
ClumsyRoot 2 years ago
If there is a God, I seriously doubt he's the way that Christianity has made him look, and if he is, I think I'd rather go to Hell thanks.
freakymushroomgal 2 years ago
@freakymushroomgal
you would rather go to hell and burn than go to heaven and spend eternity with a God who loved you so much that he died for your sins? If he loves you as much as christians say, and took pain and sacrifice for you, why would you not love him?
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
@ronhudsonjr
i wouldn't. i would rather go to Hell and burn than side with a 'god' that says the punishment for being gay, which HE made them in the first place, is death. a 'god' that let someone offer ther own DAUGHTERS for rape rather than let angels get raped and then applauded them for it. a 'god' that lets people in Haiti die and then, even worse, let's people thank him for saving them. Tell me this, if he could and did save their lives, why on Earth did he let so many other people die?
freakymushroomgal 2 years ago
@freakymushroomgal
you have clearly been misled and dont understand the concept of God.
first off,
People dont go to hell for being Gay. Yes many people are born gay, but its the acting on these feelings, and their acts of homesexuality that is sinful.
But being gay in orientation is not a sin, if born that way.
Yes it is a difficult hand to be dealt, to be a gay christian, but many people live with it, and live a happy, healthy christian life.
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
@freakymushroomgal
"even worse, lets people thank them for saving them"
again, you have no clue. You have this image that God is a puppet master pulling our strings and letting people do or say certain things. This is not the case, and christians never claimed it to be. You can do or say what you want, this is true free will.
We should thank God for everything that happens to us, whether we barely survive or not.
God was crucified for us, so that we wont go to hell, so we owe him much more..
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
we owe him much more than he owes us. In fact he owes us nothing. As God of the universe, he has no obligation to do anything, but because he is Holy, he died for the sins that WE commit against HIM. Do you understand this concept? So yes we should thank him for everything.
You know it is primarily people that live in FIRST world countries that cant reconcile God and suffering, even though WE have the LEAST amount of suffering on the glove. THIRD world people believe in God, so why cant you?
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
@ronhusonjr.
Hm... i like ur point about th 3rd world countries. They really do need something to grasp onto and believe that can help them. what a wonderful conveinince God would be for them :)
also, you've contraticted yourself. you said that God doesn't control us. Yes? that we have free will. you then said that we should thank him for everything that happens to us. Why??? if it's our free will, y on earth should i thank god for what ive done myself???
freakymushroomgal 2 years ago
going onto ur gay point. if god is so nice, y on earth is he creating gay people that can't be with people they love???
and wts so bad about being gay??? ask god that. y on earth can't they have sex? i mean fair enough he wants them to have more humans (tht tbh, he seems to be constantly complaining about) but y is he making these people that hav 2 live without relationships.
God really ain't sounding like a nice guy or a real guy to me. :) sorry.
freakymushroomgal 2 years ago
@freakymushroomgal
because the world isnt lollipops and rainbows DOESNT mean God isnt "nice".
You have to get past the idea of our purpose in life, being God creating a nice little aqurium life for us. Thats just not the case. Heaven will be absolutely perfect for those who choose it though.
Saying we have free will does not mean God does not ever intervene. He can grant blessings on people, in which we should be thankful for. Because of the cross he does not directly punish people for sins..
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
@ronhudsonjr Yes Ladies and Gents. God is like some kind of Warcraft Elite player or a Forum Admin of some kind. As long as you behave , u are fine but if you step out of line, he will lay the smack down on you.
There is no Christian God. There is only the lady Galadriel and Tolkien is her Prophet. Do not blaspheme against the lady of the wood lest she smite thee and thy penis shrivel to that of a shrew
randikajamai 2 years ago
But if he has the power, why doesn't he use it? E.g. If there was a family of five involved in a fire and 3 died, the other two may thank God for saving their lives, but surely if God saved their lives, he could've saved the other 3? Just 'choosing' not to intervene isn't really an excuse. If you were in an armed robbery and the robber asked if you if he should shoot everyone in the room and you replied 'urm.. yeah go on, but dn't shoot those 2,' tht would make u a bad person would it not?
freakymushroomgal 2 years ago
oh and i also like how you just didn't comment on Lott offering his daughters up for rape.
freakymushroomgal 2 years ago
@freakymushroomgal
i was, and still am at work so i didnt get to that point before i had to return to work, i wasnt avoiding it. i will shortly
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
doesnt punish ppl for sins in THIS life. We have an almost infinite number of chances to choose heaven over hell, its a matter of faith, and letting go of ego.
Whats the matter with Homosexuality? well the bible clearly states its wrongs in Gods eyes, and because he created sexuality, he is a righteous judge on what is natural, and what is unnatural. People are born with handicaps, and birth defects too, this dosnt mean God hates them. I believe homosexuality is wrong but i dont hate ppl for it
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
But WHY does he create them that way??? Why not make everyone perfect? Surely life would be a lot better that way?
freakymushroomgal 2 years ago
One day the older daughter said to her sister, 'There isn't a man anywhere in this entire area for us to marry. And our father will soon be too old to have children. Come, lets get him drunk with wine, and then we will sleep with him. That way we will preserve our family line through our father.' So that night they got him drunk, and the older daughter went in and slept with her father. He was unaware of her lying down or getting up again.
i think you misread the story completely lol
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
No, I didn't. That's the second part of the story, which I hadn't heard. But I checked it just to be sure, and Lot offers his daughter to the villagers, claiming that they're virgins so that they'd leave the angles alone. The angels then REWARD his family by telling them that the village is being destroyed (or something alone those lines) and, simply because she looks back and God told her not to, God turns her into salt... Hm... I think a time out would've been sufficient?
freakymushroomgal 2 years ago
so what is your claim that God is not worthy of worship? Because God turned her into salt?
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
nope. my claim is God isn't real. but if he is real, and he is how he is potrayed in the bible and the christian religion, then he definitely is not worthy of worship.
freakymushroomgal 2 years ago
@ronhudsonjr ..ummm Please check your facts when talking about the 3rd world. Yes the simple folks of the 3rd world believe in some God but most of the scholars do not. Infact, Orthodox Buddhism does not believe in an almighty CEO in the sky at all. Check your facts
randikajamai 2 years ago
just as the wealthy elite have no obligation to help the 3rd world countries right? so they give them a higher power, maybe to convince them that this is their place in the world thus not to chalange their status. give them an idealogical figure which was poor himself, stating "blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" now lets get the religions to fight amongs themselves, so they are too busy to bother us. while they keep us enslaved through debt. religion is a weapon
fulmetalmage 1 year ago 3
@fulmetalmage i just completed my pcyhology degree dissertation and conducted shed loads of psychological and scientific empirical research and much of the evidence for it suggests religion is nothing more than a coping mechanism and a product of heightened imaginative ability. Howere there are studies which claim to prove existence of God, however it would be good to point out that these studies are actually funded by institiutions pushing for a belief in God!
mattboyo 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot yea, budha was a cool guy!
CT2507 1 year ago
Have you read the OLD Testament, Ron?
You would find that your God is indeed evil.
Kelarre653 2 years ago 5
I have read the OLD Testament. I have found that god is indeed not evil.
Coveredingrace777 2 years ago
...Moreover, when a person believes they possess capital-T Truth, it often fosters a better-than-you attitude towards all those "lost" nonbelievers.
I've yet to meet an atheist who says they "know the world is all there is"; they simply acknowledge that there is no compelling evidence that any godlike being exists. They understand and accept that UNCERTAINTY and DOUBT are part of the human condition. And that, my friend, is TRUE humility.
ClumsyRoot 2 years ago 2
i'll be honest and say i have had serious issues with doubt in the past. The only time i can think of was after watching zeitgeist. i stepped back, and said honestly, i have to research if this is true. if it is, Christianity is false, if its not, then i continue believing. It turns out its one of the most dishonest, innacurate films ever. But im just giving you an example of my humility
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
Don't get me wrong, I realize that many teenagers, in a show of juvenile rebellion, will reject the religious beliefs in which they were raised. But these kids are in the minority, and most of young people (at least 80%) will end up with the same religion as their parents.
However, ask any evangelist and they'll tell you that people in their late teens are early 20s are among the easiest to convert. They're naive, emotional, and easily persuaded--the perfect fodder for Christianity.
ClumsyRoot 2 years ago 2
also, let me respond to this...
we dont disbelieve in santa because of a lack of evidence. we disbelieve in santa because there is GOOD evidence he DOES not exist. We know humans could not possibly deliver to every house in oen night, and that millions of kids around the world dont recieve presents nor have chimneys, nor celebrate christmas, nor can reindeer fly. Its a comparison born out of poor philosophy...elementary really
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
It's a poor analogy, I agree, and one of the reasons that Dawkins' "flying spaghetti monster" analogy is so lame.
One might argue that we have good reasons to think that a God doesn't exist, at least not a loving, personal God as is found in theistic religions.
ClumsyRoot 2 years ago
also my examples given were pertaining to women on purpose, because at this time in history, women were not treated fairly, but jesus demonstrated fairness and sympathy, even to the women who sinned. he really is love
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
then why did you use the analogy?
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
Trolling. Why else? ;)
ClumsyRoot 2 years ago
why am i not suprised...
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
@moekanz: yes he was christian, nothing strange. Then in his twenties he came to his senses and became atheist :)
flavioateo 2 years ago
@krisashmore Calling someone ignorant because they are christian is prejudice and ignorant, krisabigot.
UsernameIrellevence 1 year ago
@krisashmore how do you know hes militant ?
stiggyh 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Congratulations to the Moron who made this video.
Of course its not real that's the whole point - it was a show broadcast to show how someone could fake their way to having 'believable' credentials.
It was clearly stated in the show that he has no psychic abilities and he even explains how he performs these 'tricks'
G0lg0than 2 years ago
I'm fully aware of that. The video describes some of the "hows" of the mechanics of it.
MystryBox 2 years ago 3
Its basic psychology.
I have worked with DB
He will be the first to tell you he uses suggestion.
There s no secret to it.
Its not hypnosis, but it is related.
KJS72 2 years ago
I think our video was a bit unfair as DB does not pass himself off as a true phsycic like others do. He shows them for what they are.
Exactly like what your trying to do to him.
KJS72 2 years ago
In this program Derren did pretend to be different people with "real" paranormal powers unless anyone asked him if he was fake (the program was called "Messiah?"). then he'd admit all... no one did ask him, they all assumed he had real powers.
The point being, of course, that people are easily convinced by trickery.
alexoidztube 2 years ago
I assume he knows Derren Brown often explains his own stuff and is absolutlley NOT a fake medium etc etc.
mrgodbehere 2 years ago 2
Yes.
MystryBox 2 years ago
you do realize that derren brown did this only to prove that things like this are fake right?
forXION 2 years ago 4
im sure he knows
Bigturns33 2 years ago
Great explanation. :) I watched a whole bunch of videos about Derren and I;m starting to get it. I love how honest he is and tells us it's ALL tricks. He has made me more rational than ever, I'm very thankful for that.
However, people I showed the explanations to still believe in psychics. Proofs how people just want to believe what they desire. They tell me Derren can't proof that psycics are fake, but he does!!! It's a technique! They just don't want to hear it.. it's a shame.
RhapsodyOfHammerfall 2 years ago 9
how can someone fall just by suggestion, i am so skeptical.
dirtyhyde8 2 years ago
He falls because he decides to fall. He decides to do it at the suggestion of Derren for various psychological reasons. If he didn't want to fall he wouldn't (however Derren wouldn't have picked someone like that in the first place). Hypnosis isn't magic, it's just suggestion.
MystryBox 2 years ago
wondering how these techniques could be useful in picking up chicks...
dirtyhyde8 2 years ago
The hypnotic techniques have been used and done many many times in the past, just like in the early bangbus.... it's a very advanced hypnotism..
vyaschady 2 years ago
I was "hypnotized" once by my psychology teacher. She basically put different images in my head, but I was pretty disappointed because I expected hypnosis to be more magical. It was nothing more than her telling me to imagine different things. if that was hypnosis I had complete control over my body and she couldn't tell me to do something I wouldn't normally do. Thats why I am skeptical of this video where Darren converts non believers instantaneously. Oh and bangbus as far as I know wasnt real
dirtyhyde8 2 years ago
"just like the ealry bangbus" what you on about?
bigtruck008 2 years ago
look to ross jeffries on youtube
he uses NLP to seduce very effective
hes able to pull girls in 20 minutes
standekoster 2 years ago
I know about Ross Jeffery. He is old school and archaic. Try to look up "seduce in seconds". This guy is much better.
dirtyhyde8 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
this guy has no inner game "roadmap"
so if your social anxious or are sometimes a bit lazy you will never get of
your ass if you dont have inner game
if you have inner game of a natural you
have outer game of a natural