Rep. Van Hollen Admits Dems Will Use Unconstitutional Slaughter Rule to Ram Through Obamacare

[jrubin22]

"blah blah blah FEAR blah blah blah HATE blah blah blah FEAR blah blah blah HATE blah blah blah FEAR blah blah blah HATE" - Fox News reporting on any given day

[MoonbatsAreDingbats]

No, it's not an up or down vote like Obama would have you believe. Listen carefull to him in his interview with Bret Baier of FNC. Obama told Bret that they would ... oh, something to the effect of gauging the situation and how people feel before using the Slaughter Solution. No, no -- don't think for a second Obama meant OUR feelings on the matter -- we don't matter; that's been made painfully obvious. The consensus will be amongst themselves.

[MoonbatsAreDingbats]

Militarize borders, stop anchor baby policy, public benefits, trips to emergency rooms for illegals! Hey, if you get sick or hurt in just about any other country, you'd better have insurance or cough up the cash because some nations don't deal with insurance. Who says we have to treat anyone here if they can't prove citizenship? We don't HAVE to do anything! Many hospitals have $100M charity funds for free care that should be for Americans only, but nope -- better to be broke than look mean.

[Brezable]

lalalalalla american politics, lalalalla politics for retards & tools, lalalala.

[1911arthur]

HR 4768 The Public Option Act will be the next bill introduced by Grayson,florida!

It allows you to immediatley but into Medicare,now for going rates!!!!

Finally, a Congressman with Guts!

[172677]

Under Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) there were 40, 42 and 30 self-executing rules in the 106th, 107th and 108th (22 % 37 percent and 22 percent, respectively). Thus far in the 109th Congress, self-executing rules make up about 16 percent of all rules.

On April 26 [2006], the Rules Committee served up the mother of all self-executing rules for the lobby/ethics reform bill. The committee hit the trifecta with not one, not two, but three self-executing provisions in the same special rule.

[172677]

Hmm..didn't seem to be "unconstitutional" when used by Repubs..

When Republicans took power in 1995, they soon lost their aversion to self-executing rules and proceeded to set new records under Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.). There were 38 and 52 self-executing rules in the 104th and 105th Congresses (1995-1998), making up 25 percent and 35 percent of all rules, respectively. ...more

[revizcaino]

First, the fact is that Obama PROMISED for bi-partisian and not this kind of partisian. So he's breaking a promise but ofcourse is fine for you if he breaks a promise cause it's going your way. If it was a republican president then you'll be mad. Second, reconciliation has always been used for budget purposes and not for something of this magnitude. Something totally partisian even when they promised total bi-partisian....I'm just telling you facts.

[172677]

@revizcaino. Every effort was made for over a year to get the Republicans involved in this bill. A few took part. Most absolutely refused to have anything to do with it - or any other bill. Republicans had ONE goal.....to try making Obama administration fail...to smear, tell lies,decieve their consitituents. They continue to lie about what is in the bill. All one needed to do was watch C-Span coverage of the house and senate to know the Repubs have no interest in reforming healthcare at all

[revizcaino]

Look, it's always the same thing and I agree with you somewhat. But just like you say that Reps are trying their best to make Obama fail, what can you tell me of Dems when Bush was president??? Dems did the same with Bush. Senators nowadays just care for their party instead of their country. This is something coming from both parties and we need to unite by bringing something together and not making a 51-49 vote by reconciliation. Obama is in a hurry cause he knows they will loose seats this yr

[172677]

@revizcaino.You cannot compare the thuggery, thievery and criminal activity of the Bush admin with the healthcare reform bill.Bush and Co used every nefarious means to get done what they wanted to get done.They lied, manufactured "evidence" (which they showed to the entire world including the UN), tried to usurp our Consitution, ruined the Justice Department, ignored the Geneva convention and OK'd torture of prisoners.

This is REFORM..much needed and much hated by Repubs,.the party of NO.

[revizcaino]

I can understand that you might not agree on what Bush did but saying he lied and manufactured evidence is an opinion. If this was true, he would be in jail, and believe me, Dems would have given everything to put him in jail IF IT WAS TRUE. Evidence was given to him just like to Congress and they all voted to go into Iraq. Hillary, Kerry, even vice-president Biden voted in favor in 2003. It's easy to jump the ship and point the finger, huh? And lets not even talk about torture, pelosi knew too.

[usam1981]

@172677 If any evidence was manufactured, it was done by the Clintons, who got most of that information in the first place, HMM, which party are they from, they followed the letter of the constitution, unlike the Obama administration who constantly try and throw it out at every turn, the Geneva convention only counts against people wearing uniforms, and other countries laugh when we call water boarding torture.

[usam1981]

@172677 BULL SHIT, not one thing in the bill in Bi partisan, it is an entirely DEMOCRAT BILL, we have told no lies about it, WE HAVE READ IT, and it is obvious you havn't, and have only heart the talking points thrown out by the democrats, which are completly incorrect.

[PotheadPundit]

lol. the slaughter solution. I wonder how many neo-con marketing gurus it took to come up with that one.

What happened to the "Death Panels?"

[MulligansValley]

@PotheadPundit: Go back to your den of ignorance.

[naggold]

Dummycrat leaders = most corrupt congress in history

[SuperEnoughAlready]

They tried to sell us a shit sandwhich disguised as health food, but we didn't buy it. Now they'll force us to buy it and make damn sure that we choke it down too! If not, they'll put us in jail.

I say we storm Washington and hang every one of these treasonous bastards, starting with obama and pelosi first

[thecruiseliner]

the SENATE already PASSED the bill

the HOUSE already PASSED the bill

Republicans lost this fight. The bill is just trying to get to a final reconciliation vote which the sore loosers have been obstructing.

when Health Care shows no more discrimination on millions of americans, the ones who will pay the price are the republicans and the tea bagger haters.

you know who you are. We are taking names.

[usam1981]

@thecruiseliner Actually no, they did not pass anything, they only stopped the debate over the bill, they currently have to vote to pass a bill by both the house and senate, the president can only sign one bill, retard.

[thecruiseliner]

@usam1981

ok "noit all" ...lets talk after the vote this weekend...

[foresttdog]

If you actually think the process that is being used to pass HCR is unconstitutional/unameric/a sign of the apocolypse then you don't know a thing about recent US history, the Constitution, or politics. The comments on this page are wild and absurd.

[Pinyl]

You ever think, maybe, you're being a little naive? Oh. Well. I guess I can't help you.

[foresttdog]

about what, exactely?

[Pinyl]

Precisely.

[foresttdog]

enlightened conversation

[7216sp]

THE REVOLUTION IS COMING. THANK GOD

[Bolgernow]

The insults, & ignorance of basic facts in some of these posts here are truly astounding & sad.

Reconciliation has been used 23 times, 17 by Republicans! 1 for Bushes tax cuts. NOW they're upset. It's called "fear propaganda". The "Slaughter Rule" will never even get a vote. It has no support, but does that stop FOX from branding it such? Nope. The GOP/Republicans have no solutions, only fear, hate, division, attacks & insults. With no solutions, step aside. "Kill the bill" isn't a solution.

[eelzen]

Fox News spat on the Constitution daily when Bush was President. Never forgot the blood and wasted treasure their cheer leading caused.

[jrubin22]

I'm so glad we have marginalized the bible-thumping, knuckle dragging, gun toting, sister banging REDNECKS out of power!

You maniacs are the American Taliban, just as full of hatred and fear and an assurance that you are doing God's Will ...

We have nothing to fear but fear itself :)

[esbunl12]

You Libs are the ones to fear, you hate free speech, you hate debate bcause you always lose and most of all you hate the Constitution......

[jrubin22]

I don't mind free speech but 'hate speech' is something different. I realize you fear Libs, you fear the 'other' and you hate so many Americans it amuses me that you consider yourselves Real Americans. I don't hate the Constitution, I've just read more than the 2nd Amendment.

[usam1981]

@jrubin22 yeah, and you ignore everything but that admendment, like all you other libs

[usam1981]

@jrubin22 We arn't the rednecks, idiot, and we are not the ones who are destroying our nation. We have nothing to fear but fools who run our nation.

[RightWingTV]

It is becoming clear that a revolt will be the only recourse to returning the government back into the hands of the people.

[thundergunn]

Does any one remember that Republicans used the "Slaughter Rule", also called the self-executing rule, in 2005?

Interestingly, Ralph Nader and Nancy Pelosi took this "unprecedented" legislative power to federal court and LOST. Bush appointed judges ruled in favor of Dennis Hastert(R) legislative maneuver.

Isn't hypocritical to say Democrats can't use a legislative power that Republicans used only 5 years ago?

[MulligansValley]

Ummm, are you seriously missing the other side of the hypocracy coin you were just rambling about?

[thundergunn]

No. Both political party's in Washington play the same came. What I don't understand is, when republicans are called out for crying about procedural maneuvers they used when they controlled Congress, it's somehow wrong.

[quizerry]

The worst legislation in History to get it passed they have to fraud the American people. They should all be fired.

[DillonX]

vote on THE PUBLIC OPTION

[RackedRabbi]

If we are EVER going to have true bipartisan governance, we need to restore the 2/3 majority in congressional voting. If not, we will always going to get whatever the ruling party feels is "right"...

[mjnr7777]

Scary shit sports fans.....is this what we have come to? Transparency my ass!!!! Sounds like a bunch of back room bullshit.

[PerryLogan]

I have it on good authority that the Constitution is just a damn piece of paper.

[MulligansValley]

Your statement incoherent, please try again.

[ChrisfromSMD]

Lets see, the nazis used to go into people's houses, confiscate all their riches & immediately kill whomever was too old or unfit for labor camps in front of their families. OBAMA DEATHCARE IS THE SAME THING ONLY WE AREN'T ASKING FOR IT THIS TIME!

[sirpigg]

early 20th century healthcare was free to almost nothing. Who covered that? guess what genius, the fact that you have such a strong dislike for education, doesnt mean you can flap ur useless fingers here. Idiots like you are destroying our country, do america the favor by leaving this country or getting an education.

[vllmer]

dems you are zombies walking. reconciliation was so bad but its okay now. Federal mandates for every american. Now this slaughter "rules". How long before that becomes standard operating procedure? Gitmo's open, patriot act is renewed, obama supports dna sampling of anyone arrested...hey lefty outrage where are you now?

your grief before 2008 was all lies.

You have blown past anything bush was supposed to be a goofball for.

You lied to get into office and you are lying to americans now.

[kikker5150]

That's right America. Don't focus on the process of trampling the constitution. The ends justify the means. This government knows what's best for you.

[hobo59]

Exactly why every DemonCrap needs to be removed from office as well as any RepugniCan'ts who have been in office for more than one term as well ! Throw them all out and start over, rebuild the government from the ground up and make it clear they must represent us the voters with term limits and low pay and benefit packages.

[JMBSM61]

Don't like the rules, change them.

Don't like the Constitution, ignore it.

Don't like the opinion of the majority of Americans, screw em.

This is getting scary America!

[Brezable]

yep, youre talking about 8 years of bush right?

[MulligansValley]

Oh good one. Still latched onto that one are ya? Next time try coming up with something relevant to say.

[JMBSM61]

I guess we'll find out if America thinks this about Bush in November. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it's not.

[f01863]

If the democrats go this far,then they are treasonous and should be forcibly removed from office.This includes the three stooges,odopeo,numbskull biden and bela lugosi pelosi.I don't understand,do they want people to commit some sort of violence are they tone deaf? Thier INCOMPETENCE is matched only by thier ARROGANCE!

[Fringe111]

You don't know what your talking about. Recocilliation was used by Bush mor then 11 times plus it's It's been done more then 20 times since Reagan. He used it also.

[f01863]

On budget bills to reduce the deficit,as sen byrd says.That's okay though i've changed my mind about OBAMACARE,I'M FOR IT NOW.OBLABBERER was in ohio and said this will reduce premiums by %3000! Call me old fashioned,but i'd like to see them VOTE ON IT now! Since pelousy is "twisting arms" and promising the moon,I guess she MIGHT THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO VOTE AGAIN and not use the "so-called slaughter rule".Pleasure talking to yah,keep well.

[Pinyl]

This guy's going to lose his job come November.

[foresttdog]

@Pinyl so many ridiculously ignorant comments to respond to here, but this one seemed particularly stupid. Chris van Hollen has won blowouts in MD, and is wildly popular. He'll win by a large margin next round.

[Pinyl]

Keep fuckin' that chicken.

[zepper72]

Bring it on democrats. In case you forgot your history the last time the ruling government declared war on the American people was in 1776.

[evan13579b]

zepper72:

Chill... that may be their only way to keep power: provoking us until there is a "need" to "fight off a rebellion".

[zepper72]

It's not something I'm advocating, November is going to be bad enough for them.

But you got to admit, they're pushing the envelope and if history is any guide Americans don't take too kindly to that.

What's worse is it's the same hippies in charge now who were rioting in the streets in the 1960s that are acting like "the man" they so hated.

[MWAX69]

amen brother!

[mcv47]

We're on our way to a banana republic

[zepper72]

Hate to say it but we're already there. I'm just wondering how the liberals will find a way to blame this on Bush as they keep fawning over Chavez's little brother in the White House.

[doughbafett]

R.I.P. Democrat Party