While I certainly haven't found a majority of libertarians to embody heroism, some do rise to such a function.
And the question you don't address is how to effectively challenge and remedy abuse, which certainly does seem to be universally rampant.
Neither do you directly address the converse concept of falsehood and its affect upon the likes of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Even some Libertarians have been compromised into 'statist' broad acceptance of fraudulent systems. Not heroic.
I think this exactly is my experience. Once i discovered libertarianism, I felt like it described what I was *already* feeling. Those feelings were formed as far back as preschool.
Good point @ 9:38 about the different responses to abuse. However, I've seen that most "smart" people actually turn towards authority/ external validation. All of the standards, such as testing, grading, and certification, are used by the "smart", abused people to fill in for social respect. And, that gets addictive.
So truth is not a primary because it doesnt matter what ends up benefiting the majority, so long as it benefits/satisfies you? I think if your foresight goes beyond the immediate and your empathy both includes, and goes beyond that of your own family and your own life, that seeking truths, be they psychological, ecological or cosmological are essential to long-term survival. Is there not a truth behind us wanting our desires to be met? Is it not in our own best interest to seek this?
Yeah, they probably did turn into a libertarian when they were like eight or something. It is a feeling you have all your life; you just learn when you're older that other people feel and think the same way as you, and that they have a name for it.
To me, it just feels lonely. I don't want to be a hero, I want company that accepts, and in part shares, my values and world-view. Maybe mine is a different problem, but I suppose even in the US I would find it difficult to meet people close to my perspective. I remember a time when I felt connected to people - as if we're all part of the same boat; now I lost respect for most people - but maybe that's just growing up.
I absolutely see your point. I think part of my libertarianism is because i want to change the system because it doesnt work best for me. That being said im still not going to change my mind. : )
Yes a lot of his crappy stuff was not at the beginning. Even though he pulled a bullshit stat out of his ass at the beginning it was a very good first half of a video. It deserves a thumbs up.
@aaron0883 I think a lot of people are going to look at this and think that you are saying "you are damaged, there for you are a libertarianism", how I interepret this is that people are dissatisfied witht the way things are so they investigate it. Its not out of some weird interestless search for truth.
I agree completely, save one possible exception. I'm not sure if the majority of libertarians believe in objective truth. Of course objectivists do. Personally, I'm a relativist (and a libertarian). But never mind that. I agree there are many people have an urge to fly the banner of some crusade of virtue in an effort to give their lives a meaningful narrative. Isn't it true, social activists can be some of the most annoying people imaginable?
I, as a libertarian, think you're off on this one. I've know libertarians who are nerdy and reclusive and I also know the good looking, lady killer, jock types (there are a lot more men who are libertarians) You're on to something though....libertarians generally feel abused by government. That is the common strain I see.
@machaeroguy Aren't you suppose to always be weary (sp?) of government? Abuse can be also noted as mistrust or lost faith - which is reasonable. If there was ever a total government trust society, it is not around anymore.
I find it not hard to feel abused; especially, this Libya conflict (foreign and domestic interests). There are just things happening that confirm abuse. I can't ignore it even if status quo doesn't care - that's the rut I feel.
It's all coming back to me... I'm a Libertarian because George W. Bush and Barack Obama touched my pee-pee! "I'll pay my taxes and vote for the two major parties. Just don't touch m' pee-pee, mmmkay?!"
@danielinraleigh Dude, that sucks. However, it seems just as likely to me that they did anything else to you. Therefore if you point was sarcastic (which seems highly unlikely), you help me make my point. Thank you.
@aaron0883 Haha. I was just joking around. But yeah, I kind of have always had a dislike for authority figures, most likely due to all the stupid teachers and other authority figures I've dealt with throughout my life. I don't think my being Libertarian partially due to this makes me heroic, just human.
Well, the next obvious question then is why is libertarians such a small group of all abused people? Wouldn't this presuppose genetics as a libertarian trait? ...and wouldn't genetic tendency toward libertarianism be cool? : )
Pretty much everyone suffers abuse in this world so not all abused individuals become Libertarians. Libertarians see abuse differently, want others not to suffer like they did. Doing something to stop/decrease abuse can be considered heroic given the fact that most people tend to play the game and conform.
The search for the knowledge of things is the search for truth since the only real knowledge is true; in that way I think Knowledge and Truth go hand in hand. It can be argued that in a Democracy 49% are victimized by the other 51% and that everyone is victimized by the federal and state governments through forced taxation (no different than armed robbery except that is has the consent of the majority (not all) of the governed).
I'm having a hard time connecting on this one. I too was never abused in the classical sense, and I had a pretty good experience growing up, but when it came to school, I literally didn't give two shits from the very beginning. From the start all my teachers thought I had ADHD, when in reality I didn't, and I just treated school like my personal playtime, and pretty much did whatever I wanted, pushed boundaries. Unless I somehow was abused in Kindergarten, I'm not so sure I fit the profile.
I'm not sure I buy into this psychoanalysis of a whole cross-section of people. Honestly, in my experience, I've found that when you explain libertarian ideas to people in well thought out ways, you make more libertarians. But, this also depends on how you define libertarian, which is a bit specious anyhow. There are libertarians that are borderline anarchists, and there are more left-leaning libertarians that still believe in individual freedom, but still think that the state can do this.
Yes. I use to think " Im interested in how reality works, specially the reality that affects me". But it also happens to me, this "great searching for thuth" which in my case is not particulary libertarian. I think we tend to generalize in order to not accept our particulars problems ("is not me, its a general problem") and that will explain one sometimes joins "likeminded" people ( people with the same desire to escape from our reality), not being capable of taking real responsability.
I think you may be partially right, but it at least for me it doesn't apply. I came up with this to explain why so many liberty minded people I know are homosexual.(nothing disparaging meant by this).
Unless I'm blocking out some abuse I am completely unaware of, my desire for 'truth' is pretty much a hobby I find enjoyable.
While I certainly haven't found a majority of libertarians to embody heroism, some do rise to such a function.
And the question you don't address is how to effectively challenge and remedy abuse, which certainly does seem to be universally rampant.
Neither do you directly address the converse concept of falsehood and its affect upon the likes of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Even some Libertarians have been compromised into 'statist' broad acceptance of fraudulent systems. Not heroic.
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jmrogers5 10 months ago
I think this exactly is my experience. Once i discovered libertarianism, I felt like it described what I was *already* feeling. Those feelings were formed as far back as preschool.
Good point @ 9:38 about the different responses to abuse. However, I've seen that most "smart" people actually turn towards authority/ external validation. All of the standards, such as testing, grading, and certification, are used by the "smart", abused people to fill in for social respect. And, that gets addictive.
wadams19 10 months ago
On this subject I completely agree. I've always found Libertarians to be fallacy riddled people who are generally full of shit.
Zen0Jin 11 months ago
So truth is not a primary because it doesnt matter what ends up benefiting the majority, so long as it benefits/satisfies you? I think if your foresight goes beyond the immediate and your empathy both includes, and goes beyond that of your own family and your own life, that seeking truths, be they psychological, ecological or cosmological are essential to long-term survival. Is there not a truth behind us wanting our desires to be met? Is it not in our own best interest to seek this?
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AttunedFlux 11 months ago
Yeah, they probably did turn into a libertarian when they were like eight or something. It is a feeling you have all your life; you just learn when you're older that other people feel and think the same way as you, and that they have a name for it.
juliecranford 11 months ago
finally, someone makes a deeper analysis of libertarian thinking
GuiMarquito 11 months ago
To me, it just feels lonely. I don't want to be a hero, I want company that accepts, and in part shares, my values and world-view. Maybe mine is a different problem, but I suppose even in the US I would find it difficult to meet people close to my perspective. I remember a time when I felt connected to people - as if we're all part of the same boat; now I lost respect for most people - but maybe that's just growing up.
john42t 11 months ago
@john42t
I know what you mean..
glenbratke 11 months ago
Good vid.
Domzdream 11 months ago
I absolutely see your point. I think part of my libertarianism is because i want to change the system because it doesnt work best for me. That being said im still not going to change my mind. : )
MudslideJames2010 11 months ago
@hurrrrrrrrrrr
Yes a lot of his crappy stuff was not at the beginning. Even though he pulled a bullshit stat out of his ass at the beginning it was a very good first half of a video. It deserves a thumbs up.
AnglosphereAlliance 11 months ago
I feel violated every time I pay a tax bill. But my accountant says that's normal...
LibertyDownUnder 11 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder Taxes suck!
Anonomys246 11 months ago
I do not understand why this argument wouldn't apply to all people who are involved in radical politics, or even semi-radical politics.
dadrogon 11 months ago 3
@dadrogon great comment. I think it does apply to them all
aaron0883 11 months ago
@aaron0883 I think a lot of people are going to look at this and think that you are saying "you are damaged, there for you are a libertarianism", how I interepret this is that people are dissatisfied witht the way things are so they investigate it. Its not out of some weird interestless search for truth.
dadrogon 11 months ago
Looks likes a few abused people think they weren't abused.
scrufduf 11 months ago
I agree completely, save one possible exception. I'm not sure if the majority of libertarians believe in objective truth. Of course objectivists do. Personally, I'm a relativist (and a libertarian). But never mind that. I agree there are many people have an urge to fly the banner of some crusade of virtue in an effort to give their lives a meaningful narrative. Isn't it true, social activists can be some of the most annoying people imaginable?
UnhappyTestTubeBaby 11 months ago
@UnhappyTestTubeBaby If they're really pushing it on you.
EnochEmery251 11 months ago
I, as a libertarian, think you're off on this one. I've know libertarians who are nerdy and reclusive and I also know the good looking, lady killer, jock types (there are a lot more men who are libertarians) You're on to something though....libertarians generally feel abused by government. That is the common strain I see.
machaeroguy 11 months ago
@machaeroguy Aren't you suppose to always be weary (sp?) of government? Abuse can be also noted as mistrust or lost faith - which is reasonable. If there was ever a total government trust society, it is not around anymore.
I find it not hard to feel abused; especially, this Libya conflict (foreign and domestic interests). There are just things happening that confirm abuse. I can't ignore it even if status quo doesn't care - that's the rut I feel.
People seem too loyal; that is scary.
Shrunkenhead61 10 months ago
It's all coming back to me... I'm a Libertarian because George W. Bush and Barack Obama touched my pee-pee! "I'll pay my taxes and vote for the two major parties. Just don't touch m' pee-pee, mmmkay?!"
danielinraleigh 11 months ago
@danielinraleigh Dude, that sucks. However, it seems just as likely to me that they did anything else to you. Therefore if you point was sarcastic (which seems highly unlikely), you help me make my point. Thank you.
aaron0883 11 months ago
@aaron0883 Haha. I was just joking around. But yeah, I kind of have always had a dislike for authority figures, most likely due to all the stupid teachers and other authority figures I've dealt with throughout my life. I don't think my being Libertarian partially due to this makes me heroic, just human.
danielinraleigh 11 months ago
Well, the next obvious question then is why is libertarians such a small group of all abused people? Wouldn't this presuppose genetics as a libertarian trait? ...and wouldn't genetic tendency toward libertarianism be cool? : )
Andrew300082 11 months ago
Pretty much everyone suffers abuse in this world so not all abused individuals become Libertarians. Libertarians see abuse differently, want others not to suffer like they did. Doing something to stop/decrease abuse can be considered heroic given the fact that most people tend to play the game and conform.
asperin 11 months ago
The search for the knowledge of things is the search for truth since the only real knowledge is true; in that way I think Knowledge and Truth go hand in hand. It can be argued that in a Democracy 49% are victimized by the other 51% and that everyone is victimized by the federal and state governments through forced taxation (no different than armed robbery except that is has the consent of the majority (not all) of the governed).
Killedkennyagain 11 months ago
I'm having a hard time connecting on this one. I too was never abused in the classical sense, and I had a pretty good experience growing up, but when it came to school, I literally didn't give two shits from the very beginning. From the start all my teachers thought I had ADHD, when in reality I didn't, and I just treated school like my personal playtime, and pretty much did whatever I wanted, pushed boundaries. Unless I somehow was abused in Kindergarten, I'm not so sure I fit the profile.
TheObjectiveReality 11 months ago
Wow he's looking at the camera. lol.
altargirl89 11 months ago
I'm not sure I buy into this psychoanalysis of a whole cross-section of people. Honestly, in my experience, I've found that when you explain libertarian ideas to people in well thought out ways, you make more libertarians. But, this also depends on how you define libertarian, which is a bit specious anyhow. There are libertarians that are borderline anarchists, and there are more left-leaning libertarians that still believe in individual freedom, but still think that the state can do this.
Weaselheadx 11 months ago 2
Yes. I use to think " Im interested in how reality works, specially the reality that affects me". But it also happens to me, this "great searching for thuth" which in my case is not particulary libertarian. I think we tend to generalize in order to not accept our particulars problems ("is not me, its a general problem") and that will explain one sometimes joins "likeminded" people ( people with the same desire to escape from our reality), not being capable of taking real responsability.
Paseosinperro 11 months ago
Also, abuse doesn't exclude someone from heroic acts. So, not a big fan of the title.
TuesdaysThursdays 11 months ago 4
@TuesdaysThursdays I agree. That's why i put that some may become heroic in the description.
aaron0883 11 months ago
It's not that life hands you a shit sandwich, it's that society demands that you eat it with a smile.
DKshad0w 11 months ago
@DKshad0w lol And after you eat it, they ask, "what did you think?". Then, try to have you go out and invent a better shit sandwich.
Technology: the fast track to more shit sandwiches.
It reminds me of the commercial back in my parents childhood: "I can't believe I ate the WHOOOLE thing".
Shrunkenhead61 10 months ago
@DKshad0w totally agree, thats my definition of life. youtube;Barabara Ehrenreich; Smile or die
Paseosinperro 8 months ago
I think you may be partially right, but it at least for me it doesn't apply. I came up with this to explain why so many liberty minded people I know are homosexual.(nothing disparaging meant by this).
Unless I'm blocking out some abuse I am completely unaware of, my desire for 'truth' is pretty much a hobby I find enjoyable.
TuesdaysThursdays 11 months ago
I agree that mos atheist women are bitchs. I'm glad my girlfriend is neo-pagan.lol
greenghost2008 11 months ago
@greenghost2008 Yeah, but the tradeoff is that most "neo-pagans" are fat.
Chimneyfish00 11 months ago
@Chimneyfish00 true. Whats funny is that my neo-pagan GF is kinda fat. She isn't super fat though. She is still cute.
greenghost2008 11 months ago
What do you think about some of visionvictory's recent videos?
majorpointer333 11 months ago
I think you're onto something here and my own experience of libertarians has been a high percentage of abused types.
That said, what's your motivation for making this video if not the truth as you see it?
davyjames 11 months ago
@davyjames Psychological expression. I like to gain visibility sometimes by sharing my ideas with a larger public.
aaron0883 11 months ago