Ptolemy's Solar System

[tkoizumi]

Science: 1

Religion: 0

[tiarnan76]

@tkoizumi Sun worship is a religion - so by professing your belief in heliocentricity you're also supporting that religion. By definition the "Theory of Evolution" is a religion - would you not support that either? Why would you think that science and God are mutually exclusive? Do you not see the order in the universe and marvel? Do you think all this order came from randomness? The word "science" means "to know" - the more you study "science" the more you will come to know God.

[puncheex]

TheUnnamedGent: Do you have any information on the size of the epicycles? Are the ones you use in this animation of the right sizes (that is, the sizes used for computations around the time of Copernicus)? I've been unable to find figures for the sizes.

[Libre333]

It funny because according to the Quran there are 7 heavens, 41:12. The earth is flat 18:83-86. Stars are dots, not suns, 67:5. Very scientific!

[bimwopbarn]

very interesting

[ChapmanGriffith]

@Libre333 According the christian bibles there are 7 heavens. John the Revelator (author of the book of Revelations) saw the 7 heavens.

[go123453]

(CAN YOU ALL PLEASE STOP JUMPING DOWN EACH OTHER'S THROATS!?)

Every single video i have watched on Corpenicius has a nice extreeemely long religious battle... PLEASE!! This is NOT a war zone... Take your dissatisfaction somewhere else, shout at the monitor if you have to, but don't add fuel to the fire

[muffinproject]

why povray when this could just as easy have been in flash or something?

[TheUnnamedGent]

I just used what I know. Although if anyone wants to suggest an easy to use, scriptable vector graphics program for linux, I'd be interested in hearing about it. The ones I've used don't usually work how I'd expect.

[HughFromAlice]

This video is well done! ***** As a counterpoint, I've posted a video reponse of a real sunset on Mars of just a few days ago. Colour movie based on NASA rover b/w stills. I felt it awe inspiring to to see the sunset on another world the day after it happened. Enjoy!

Sunset August Mars

[Gengar10000000000]

This video is wrong. The sun goes around us? ok. Get updated, The earth goes around the sun like any other planet. Get real.

[flamingtortillachip]

This video depicts the Ptolemaic system, where the Sun orbited around Earth- not our current (Copernican-Kepler) model.

[LazyPrinzez]

LOL... haha, I suppose you don't know yet the evolution how scientists have managed to conclude finally with heliocentricism (where the planets revolve around the sun). This WAS how people perceived the motion of the 'universe' before Copernicus was able to introduce the CURRENTLY ACCEPTED theory. This one was by Ptolemy, in case you didn't know.

[vaanjaa]

Not just europeans, arabs too

[TheUnnamedGent]

How did this happen to my video? All the crazies have come out.

[EasternCalifornia]

haha crazies, why are we crazy for not reading rediculous tales of men swallowed by fish, senior citizens building boats, and jew zombies rising from the dead?

[strimmer73]

Ain't that the truth - so many "off topic" comments! I've often wondered how the ancient model managed to describe the motion of the planets, so thanks for posting this. Nicely done.

[EasternCalifornia]

the bible is a load of bullshit

[MarlinMr]

Why do you say that? and why here?

[SunGoddessAthena]

The Sun is a symbol of God

[MarlinMr]

What God?

[TurtleShroom]

Genesis mentions that "God placed the sun to govern the day and the moon to govern the night." Historically, something that "governs" something rules over it, in this case the sun and the earth.

The geocentric idea may have originated from God placing man above animals and "in control". He also wanted man to take care of His planet.

In fact, the whole "center of the universe" may even OPPOSE God's Word, considering braggers are labeled "fools", but that's just me

[crazy650c]

Yes...as soon as one states they believe the Earth does not move but the universe revolves around it...one is branded a "flat earth" nut. Is it because they cannot empirically prove the earth moves? I think so.

[Cnidarious]

lol.

No evidence the earth moves?

Everything in the entire universe moves, Its easy to confirm you just need access to the right hardware.

All matter in the universe is Diverging from a single point in space time including our sun, This point has been Triangulated, the calculations have been made.

[Aresthanas]

All matter in the universe is Diverging from a single point in space time including our sun, This point has been Triangulated - Cnidarious

Let me guess that single point could mean by th theological sciences the uncaused First Cause was a GOD = one GOD. If its pointed to a triangulated format it would be by the theological sciences the Holy Trinity of that GOD behind the natural secondary causes and effects. :)

Now, how about some evdence of geocentricity for you to rebuttal?

[byranmichelle]

i agree with you on a lot!

except the Holy Trinity.

can you demonstrate by scriptures why u believe God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost all make up the One True God? the three who's in one God.

do you believe that?

through study of the scriptures along side my NIV i use 4 more translations if sometime not more, i've had to drop alot of what i believe are traditions and doctrines.

[byranmichelle]

Psalm 45:7 therefore God, your God Hebrews 1:8-9 says who that first God is, Jesus told us who that second one is! 1Cor 8:4-6 But to us, there is but one God.....the Father........and one Lord, Jesus Christ! John 17:3 Jesus said the Father was the only true God. sooo....i beleive it could be said: "our God said there was one greater than him, his God and our God...... the Father" i don't feel very good calling Jesus: God the Son. He's no angel, not a human, not an animal!

[byranmichelle]

he is a God in every way. he isn't

God the Son, he is the Son of God who very much is also our God in every way.

i believe if its monthestic, its the Father, the one and only true God. the God-head, the head of Christ.

or it could be plural, but i don't really consider the Spirit.....God the Holy Ghost. i consider it the Spirit of God, or the seven fold Spirit, the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God. it is a Spirit, but the Holy one! the one from God and His Son.

[terminus1991]

first of all, i believe everything what bible says.

Genesis 1:26= Then God said, Let us make humankind in our image, after our likeness, so they may rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move on the earth.

i absolutely believe that Jesus is one of THEM, who made humankind in their image. but Father has sent Jesus to the Earth, to became a human, who can also feel hungry, tired, pain, happy.

[EasternCalifornia]

do you believe that tyrannosaurs ate plant matter, since death did not "exist" in prehistoric times, or that we are all the inbred spawn of the children of Adam and Eve?

[terminus1991]

so, for me, Jesus is 100% God, but also 100% human. he is my role model, and i will struggle myself to become like Him

and about the Trinity. i think it is not our concern, because God may have a different dimension, that human's mind can't imagine or calculate. God's math may be different with human's math. it is really not our concern, because we cannot imagine God's way of thinking.

i believe Trinity, and i believe that there's only one will, one purpose, and one characteristic of God.

[soulofjimi]

didn't mean to give that red -1... just a slip of the mouse

[puncheex]

@Cnidarious: It is, in fact, easy to prove that the earth travels around the sun annually. Spectrographic measurements of any number of stars show that the color shift always contains a sinusoidal element imposed on whatever other movement may be happening, which varies on exactly an annual basis. The size of the shift verifies the orbital speed of the earth around the Earth-sun common center of gravity.

[Aresthanas]

Why is it called GEOkinetic?.. You are referring only to GEO=rocks that orbit each other ? The Sun itself is not a 'geosphere' or other stars for that matter... they are gaseous spheres but I believe you are referring to the motion and gravity huge bodies make on other forms orbiting. Thanks for the update .

[Aresthanas]

It seems that once a person state he believes in Geocentricity that he believes in a 'flat earth '. No, I believe the earth is a GLOBE and not a planet. There were at least two experiments that are interesting that showed it was the Sun that moved around th Earth not the other way around.

[crazy650c]

No proof. Present your "experiments". Fact is, the failure of the Michelson-Morley (actual experiment) to detect aether is interpreted incorrectly. Quantum mechanics now has shown that an aether actually exists...which thus proves the failure of Michelson-Morley was not a proof that the aether moves through the earth, but in fact a proof the earth does not move through the aether.

[crazy650c]

That last post was for you, dear Cnidarious.

[Aresthanas]

A motionless earth . Nobel prize winner Maurice Allais noticed that during the eclipse of June 30 /1954 the rotation of the ocillation plane of his paraconic pendulum CHANGED when the Moon passed in front of the Sun. 2) Similarly, during the eclipse of Feb 15 /1961, Jerverdan, rusu, and Antonesco observed that a Foucault pendulum not only CHANGED the rotation of its oscillation plane, but instead of becoming lighter it became heavier during the phenomenon.

(cont.)

[Aresthanas]

Greetings Crazy650c. Yes, the Earth is motionless. I can give several other experiments perhaps you have yet to learn about. It sure won't be learned in universities because it's like the story of the emperor's new clothes. No one dares question it to make all their heroic geniuses, the Pythagorans, Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Newton, Einstein are after been decieving us all. It vindicates instead the real heros, Moses, Aristotle, Ptolemy, and Tycho Brahe. GOD bless your efforts.

[tzone92]

If you seriously believe that the earth does not move, then you obviously have NEVER taken a high school physics course. If you consider the frame of reference that the earth is in, then no, it does not move, but everything around it moves. But hell, if you consider your OWN frame of reference, then you never move: the rest of the universe moves relative to you.

[Aresthanas]

Greetings tzone92 - ' If you consider the frame of reference that the earth is in, then no, it does not move, but everything around it moves. '

Your point is Aristotle stated common sense prevails that the Earth is unmoved. Today, there are scientists that believe in Geocentricity. Several French scientists that agree the Earth does NOT move in an orbit but disagree whether the Earth rotates or not on an axis. NASA still uses geocentricty co-ordinates TODAY. Again, A-centricity = Earth too.

[Aresthanas]

(cont.) - of the ecilpse phenomenon.

Explanation. ' These observations indicate the IMMOBILITY of the EARTH, because if the Foucault effect was due to the rotation of the Earth upon itself, it is difficult to understand why the effect would be interrupted when the Moon eclipsed the Sun. Moreover, the increased HEAVINESS

of the pendulum suggests that gravitation is NOT a phenomenon of attraction of masses between themselves, as taught by Newton.'

From, Yves Nourissat a French scientist .

[TheUnnamedGent]

Do you think the earth is flat?

[TheUnnamedGent]

My point in bringing up Newton is that the solar system is not actually heliocentric, it is geokinetic. Everything orbits around everything else. It just happens that the sun is by far the most massive body, so the amount the sun moves due to the gravity of the other celestial bodies is very small, to the point of being negligible.

[Aresthanas]

Then comes along Mr.Einstien who with his A-centricity saved the face of the THEORY of Heliocentricity and in some respects to the fulchrum pendulum too. I will have to update myself on what Newton said about graviation and motion. I am just an author and I see the 'imagination' of scientists joining facts together to make their 'imagination' a 'pseudo-FACT'.

[Aresthanas]

Good Sir, I will just say that Copernicus believed in heliocentricity mainly because of the phases of Venus but Tycho said it was true but that still the sun could be orbitting the earth whil the planets around the Sun. This was for the enemies of religion to join against the authenicity of Bible . It was a THEORY for 400 yrs until someone presumed the fulchrum pendulum confined it but there is a scientist that will give $10,000 to anyone to prove that and no one yet has tried to claim.

[Aresthanas]

Can you do one based on the Tycho Brahe system ?.. he was the geniu sof them all and doesn't get mentioned as he was a firm believer in Geocentricity which A-centricity now confirms that the Earth can be the center of the universe to save the false THEORY of heliocentricity ! Thanks for allowing me to make comments .

[TheUnnamedGent]

You've implied that you believe Tycho Brahe's system is correct. That is quite an unusual point of view. What leads you to that conclusion? And what do you think of Isaac Newton's law of universal gravitation and universal laws of motion?

[Cnidarious]

satire?

[Aresthanas]

Satire? No, not at all. In fact, I can present several experiments from scientists that proved geocentricity I bet you never learned or rebuttal it. Strange, I wonder why? Let me guess- to keep separation and church of secret societies that you are a pawn too instead of Church and State? We know which Church too.

A-centricity was needed to shade the delusion of heliocentricity. Since A= the earth too the Tychonian system is believed to be the correct one by several scientists.

[Cnidarious]

secret societies?.. whoa hold on there bubba.

when you start spouting Conspiracy theories you can`t expect anyone to take you seriously without providing extensive evidence which i do not think you have.

and this statement is Incoherent, i cannot fully understand your meaning.- "I bet you never learned or rebuttal it. Strange, I wonder why? Let me guess- to keep separation and church of secret societies that you are a pawn too instead of Church and State? We know which Church too."

[Aresthanas]

Yes, I actually do. I took on the most popular secret society for a year in the newspapers as well as in person. They have a peace part as well as a war party if you know what I mean. They believe in a 'God' too but their god is Lucifer who was by 'evolution' the first being transformed from an angel to a demon. If you believe in separation in Church and State so do they vehemently. Therefore, you will be a pawn to them since their belief can be referred to as NATURALISM.

[Cnidarious]

Your Still not making much sense.

From what i can tell, your a conspiracy theorist who is a ID proponent, "no surprise there"

So what this Secret society called?

"If you believe in separation in Church and State so do they vehemently"

So you believe the Allowances that a Clerical state makes on its people? the House arrest of galleo comes to mind. also do a number of other atrocities. Neolithic dark age anyone?

[Aresthanas]

Greetings, Cnidarious. Yes, will check out Thunderfoot's video. Have this feeling he left out alot of 'science' discoveries from creationists. As to the secret society's name? I prefer to call them Lucerifians but they are known by another name.

Now, as to the house arrest of Galileo... lol. You do know that the Church told him to make sure he represeted it as ' a hypothesis' but he was arrogant to state it was a fact. Two points in the debate and Galileo lost by observations made later.

[Cnidarious]

You still have not told me what this Secret society calls itself.

[Cnidarious]

Also, Please present to me a list of Major Scientific Break throughs Given to us by creationists.

[Aresthanas]

Cnidarious -I will get a list of major scientific achievements. In the meantime the printing press is one and pasteruized milk is another one. Also, Louis Pasteur, a devoted Catholic, put an end to spontaneous generation which even early evolutionists believed in..lol. In the meantime take care of yourself. Peace.

[Cnidarious]

Louis Pasteur Was not a Biblical Literalist.

Neither are Any other Scientists who are a part of the Scientific Community. Your Branding a Discovery made by True Science as a Creationism Discovery.

There are no Discoveries Of creationism, Because its not science.

Creation "science" is merely relabeled Creationism, It has no Scientific Merits, No testing no Theories, no Peer Review just a Jumble of Incoherent Ideas derived from a bronze age story book.

[Aresthanas]

Please. Pasteur was a Catholic. He is views on the Bible would be both lietral ad symbolic to passages even in Genesis. Besides, saying that science achievements are 'atheistic ' is false. When people write science tests as I have its not about atheism. Its actually 100% science and 0% atheism. Have a wonderful Life.

[Cnidarious]

Sorry i am going to have to correct you.

Science is a AGNOSTIC process.

it Neither Accepts or Refutes anything in any Religion, At least not intentionally.

The Scientific Community is comprised of people of all Faiths and of No faith, all working together, Science does not reflect the view of any Religious group at all.

[Cnidarious]

"evolutionists believed in"

I am not sure why i need to Keep reminding people.

People who merely have a full understanding of Evolution are not Evolutionists, they are Scientists.

I am not a Atomist, a Gravitionalist or an Electromagnetist simply because i understand how these Theories function. Evolution is no different.

If you say otherwise then i suspect you are doing so only to comfort yourself, attempting to validate a Out of date Bronze age View point supported in your holy book.

[Aresthanas]

Cnidarious, would you like to rebuttal the geocentricity ? As to creation model, that is the theological sciences in the Bible being verifiable, it is by the natural sciences themselves. In actuality, the 'evolution' chart can be interpreted to either the Days in Genesis when there are anomalies but mainly the worldwide Flood with natural scientific and testing methods. I prefer to it as the neo-Patristic Aristotleian-Thomistic method. I will give you several sequences for you to deunk.

[Cnidarious]

Would you care to Enlighten us on the Contributions to mankind your Movement has yielded?

If you would like to Know what the Fruits of Scientific Naturalism are please watch the Video series By ThunderfOOt called Creationism Vs Science, it Illustrates what Naturalism has Given us Quite clearly.

[Cnidarious]

"I bet you never learned or rebuttal it. Strange, I wonder why? Let me guess- to keep separation and church of secret societies that you are a pawn too instead of Church and State? We know which Church too."

Please Rephrase what you intended to say, It does not make sense.

[Aresthanas]

Please Rephrase what you intended to say' - Cnidarious

At times 500 characters makes one accidently delete lines.

'I bet you never learned or will have no rebuttal' is meant about the experiments how the Earth won and the Sun lost.

' to keep separation of Church and State ' is the vein on how secret societies with their pawns communists, atheists, socialists and even social democracies, promotes ridicule and lies against GOD and the Holy Bible.

'which Church?' - ask the ACLU.

[burninmunkeys]

@Aresthanas You have shown you do not understand the scientific interpretation of the word theory...

[Aresthanas]

This is a very nice video... not sure what you tried to prove but I enjoyed it. I believe Tycho Brahe corrected it more by stating the planets went around the SUN which like the MOON went around the Earth to show the light of the planets from here so that heliocentricity does not explain that part. Anyhow, thanks for sharing this neat video with us .

[TheUnnamedGent]

I guess I'm just interested in history. And it's fascinating how ancient people thought (planets must move in a circle because a circle is the purest, or most aesthetically pleasing shape, qed). I like those special planet and zodiac symbols. So I guess I just made it because it has stuff I like in it.