@TheInspectorwho What we were seeing was the 10th doctor, who had not died yet. His face is not a fix point in time, so time where she sees him can be rewritten. She isn't surprised by his face, because its not new to him, because he hasn't died yet. He didn't have to die at that point in time when he changed from tennet to matt smith, but he did so her sonic in retrospec would have chaned, but we were viewing her from tennet's point of view so he had not died yet.
@destinyson23 I'm not talking about the beautiful lass in curls. She's a terrific actress. Tennant is paired with a shite companion for the last year of his tenure
@atrios28 my apologies. I clearly read what I wanted to read with your original comment. I think the actress playing River song is good, I personally don't like all of the focus on her since season 5 and 6 started up. Tennant's companions always were a bit frustrating to people - I didn't like Rose, you didn't like Donna.
wait a minute. if river knew all the spoilers about herself and the doctor and something about donna since she came into the david tennant series, and AMY AND RORY werent in it and the doctor didnt even know them at the time how could she be thier daughter
@TheJustineWho because as they go along there not creating or rewritting history there living it hard to explain its like you going back in time to see your mum before she met your dad or your wife before you met her because time isn't a straight line not explaing this very well
I'm just confused. Technically, this is the last time River ever saw the doctor, which means the time before this should've been, technically, with the eleventh doctor, since she did no more episodes with ten. So why does she have tens sonic screwdriver and not elevens?
@Kelly6758 She doesnt have Tens, or Elevens. The screwdriver is The Doctors screwdriver but its probably Twelve's or Thirteens or something. Rivers screwdriver is and looks different from these two Doctors. When the Doctor said "Why would i give you my screwdriver" he doesnt mean the one he has now he means why in the future, has future Doctor give you my/his screwdriver
ON saturday night, we findly found out who River Song finally was. And it was the most unpredictable story line, in doctor who history. It makes River Song a complete surprise.
@theDoctorsWarrior That moment you pointed out is not the moment when she's simply let down. River Song knew that she and the Doctor were both going at different directions in time. Therefore, the first time the Doctor meets her is the last time she meets the Doctor.
That moment was when she realized she was going to die.
@astud218 It isn't my fault you assume that people who challenge your opinion are automatically looking for an argument. Sounds like you need to 'chill out'. :]
@astud218 I wasn't starting an arguement, I just thought your opinion was shallow. Of course your entilted to your opinion, everyone is, but I don't see why you think that the doctor's travel companion should be sterotypically 'sexy', that's all.
@astud218 Donna was a breath of fresh air! Doctor and sidekick romance has been overdone, and it was too soon after Rose, espically for this doctor. Donna was funny and something different, if you want to watch something for vanity, go watch some souless show that bases their actors on looks.
I really hate that they are trying to make it in reverse chronological order now, It makes less sense, and argh its been my pet peve since she said it in The Impossiable Astronaunt
@emmahouli After getting to know her in recent episodes, I had to go back and watch her death again in the library episode to make sense of it all -- I'm not there yet, but I know that if she and the Doctor do have a romantic relationship (husband/wife), then I may just watch that episode again and cry . . . because what she says is quite sad!
After the first ep of season 6 my theory is She's Rory & Amy's daughter. If you think about it it's more than possible. Bad news for Rory and Amy if I'm right though. Think she'll end up an orphan.
@deansie84 i thought that 2 cos you no when she sed she killed the best man she ever met maybe she means rory cos sometimes girls think that there dads are the best :/
@deansie84 I don't think Rory and Amy really are pregnant, because Amy was experiencing pains as an after-effect of seeing The Silence and she must've just assumed that it meant she was pregnant. River got them as well (but when Rory didn't experience any) but she blamed the prison food. And if Amy had known she was pregnant before the Silence, she wouldn't have drank wine at the picnic.
Seeing her later appearances and then looking back at her at the end of her life, you really see her differently. Seeing her and the Doctor passionately kiss in one of the trailers for her next appearance, too, really says it all. She loved him, and he will love her.
.. my theory, one of many, of course: River isa Timelord mutant, one of the Neverweres or Meanwhiles from the Time War AT (alternate Timeline. That explains how the Doctor doesn;t know she's a Time Lord... because they were different than the LOOMED.
The fact she said "diaries" and not for instance "MY diary" I've always found interesting, but it could be completely irrelevant for me to. She seems to assume he must have one of his own, so surely at some point he must do and I don't believe he's ever done? Maybe as he learnt now she has one and is important to him in some way, when this new series comes along, he starts writing one with her?
Again it could be irrelevant to the storyline but it did make me wonder what that was about!
"I just want you to know that there are worlds out there, safe in the sky, because of her. That there are people living in the light, singing songs of Donna Noble, a thousand million light-years away... they will never forget her. While she can never remember."
How can she not know if they have done the crash of the banzantium, if she knew it was "early days". She could see his face was different, so she must know.
@antony492 She doesn't necessarily remember the order of his phases. She knows the David Tennant phase is early, but she could think that it is later than the Matt Smith phase.
Look, as River says "spoilers", give up speculating, cos we wont find out until it is aired. I personally prefered it when it was left mysterious in the Library and not expanded on.
sorry i know i got to stop coming up with theories like a mad scientist but listen:
she could be his wife 'cause she's from the future. she might be a time lady and you know like how the master survived the Time War maybe she survived that way. and knowing that the doctor was the only other survivor 'cause he ended the war she settled for him.
ok i said river was like amy and rose. so here is the explaination..
the Doctor loved Rose and doesn't know if he'll ever see her again river's like that you could tell in david one that she loved him to bit's but he does no he'll see her again cause of the book she takes with her everywhere.
now Amy is a differant story she likes the doctor but as her best friend also she has this don't careish attitude that river has.
someone said accountant but the doctor told astrid in voyage of the damned that he hadn't a penny and it isn't likely he has a bank account I mean he's a time traveller. though in the runaway bride he zapped the bank thing with his sonic and money flew every where so he wouldn't need a bank.
so everyone is saying she's his wife but but as many say it would be a bit to obvious but river song is a mad twist between 2 people to the doctor rose and amy
someone said accountant but the doctor told astrid in voyage of the damned that he hadn't a penny and it isn't likely he has a bank account I mean he's a time traveller. though in the runaway bride he zapped the bank thing with his sonic and money flew every where so he wouldn't need a bank.
so everyone is saying she's his wife but but as many say it would be a bit to obvious but river song is a mad twist between 2 people to the doctor rose and amy
ok river can't be his mother cause she's from his future not past his mother obviously died in the time war. she knows his name. also he is in a love-hate relation ship going with the 11th doctor's reaction to her so now i am thinking she might be the TARDIS and the doctor mends the chamealeon circuit in the future but then why would she need a time vortex minipulater ?
the bit that always gets me is when she says "Donna? Oh myh - you're Donna Noble!?" it's SO sweeet! The Doctor, WAY in the future, talks of Donna, and must talk of her a lot, you know like a husband talks to his wife about something difficult he's been through - he remembers and still regrets Donna ... aaaaaw!!
@FireflyFanatic3 'sept 11 never talks about his past. Amy doesn't even know about the Time War, or his relationships with previous companions (she knows OF them but not ABOUT them) or even small details like that he's got two hearts. This annoys me greatly. Hopefully now that he's meeting River for the first time (n HER time-line) he'll TALK a little more. Martha would be sad if she knew the Doctor never talked about her anymore, and Rose and Donna would quiet frankly be pissed. :) (2 b cont...)
@FireflyFanatic3 However, this proves the theory of River being his wife. Someone he trusts completely. Someone who he'll tell anything, even the hardest memories. You are absolutely right, it is very sweet. And I think it's true that he trusts River enough to tell her about Donna, one of his most painful memories that he cannot even share with Amy, his best friend.
i'm thinkin david tennent will make a come back cause he says in this episode that rivers screwdriver is exactly......exactly the same as his and the new doctor has a different one
I think she's Miranda like the Doctor's adopted daughter! I think they are married because ell... she ran off right? It's convoluted and strange but I think she Miranda! I mean look at the picture! Curly blonde hair and she killed a rebel leader who could have been known as a great man! So she died but she's a time lord can anyone say Regenerate! The only way to kill a timelord is to stop both hearts yes? So did she plus it would explain a lot!
@sweetreat2 My friends and I conjecture that she "kills" (literally or in some abstract way) the Dreamlord/Valeyard/whatever-you-want-to-call-him, which could be the Doctor in his last (or at least indeterminant-future) incarnation, or some other bit of wibbly-wobbly, timey-whimey... It would play up a number of subtextual points about their relationship, that's for sure...
The Doctor said that she knew his name, and that there is only one reason he would tell his name to anyone. She is obviously his accountant, and needed his name so she could file his taxes.
@rohgenextfan me too! :D But it's still weird when she calls him pretty boy. Imagine your mum saying some of the stuff that she has. Haha. That'd be weird. D'you reckon that when we learn what's going on that we'll be like "three years and it was just that?" xD Naughty Steven Moffatt.
I sometimes hated River in these episodes but I love her when she talks to others about the Doctor. She loves him, and on such a deeper level than I think any companion has. And you can just hear in her voice how it kills her that he doesn't know her yet, which, thinking about it, it would. Poor River.
@sexigal99 or maybe it's not Amy, maybe it's Donna, because Donna absorbed the doctor or whatever so maybe it's her, and why River was so surprised to meet her...
River is River. She is someone important to the Doctor somehow and I'm going to stop speculating until I have more information. It's impossible to figure out, there are too many possiblities. I still haven't even decided if I like her or not.
River is actually Romana, who is REALLY the Doctor's mother and Donna all combined. Jack is the Doctor's daddy, but in the future he has a sex change and turns into Rose and Jenny regenerates into Susan. It all makes sense now.
JUST KIDDING.
My real theory: River = River. She's possibly married to the Doctor, but a future version. Hence the whole married but not married thing.
@ashesofbalderdash LOL. Your theory is a paradox killer, man! Loved it. The dialogue that does it for me: "Are you married, River?" "Are you asking?" "Yes." "Yes." "Wait - did you think I was asking if you were married, or-or-if you wanted to marry me?" "Yes." "Yes but was that 'yes' or 'yes'?" "Yes." My backstory (til the Moff corrects me) is,she *was* married to someone else, and then an adventure goes wrong and her family dies. Doctor's fault. OR - my fave: The TARDIS in human form.
There have been some speculations that RiverSong is Amy Pond. But if that's true, what happened/happens to Rory? Hm...
And I've re watched some episodes with River and Amy and I can see how people would think they're the same person. It'll be interesting to see how that all plays out...
I don't think she is the Doctor's wife. in fact, I think that she is Romana. Just look at the evidence: She acts like Romana: A time lord who is a know-it-all. She gets under the Doctor's skin just like that... Come on: If that isn't Romana, then who is? She even looks kind of like Romana...
Series 5 has finished... I reckon she used the chameleon arch as the Rani (see 1987) and began a fully human life.... thus explaining.... I still dont know XD
I love her. I figure if he has to have a love interest (which is still up in the air IMO), one that's human, better an independent and highly intelligent one than a clingy and shallow girl with a child's mind. Anyone notice that she seems a bit TOO loyal though? In Flesh and Stone she wanted to get thrown in the crack instead of The Doctor. I said to myself, "She is bonkers." I love the look on Donna's face in the clip when she realizes "Pretty Boy" is The Doctor. lol
River is just simply amazing!!! It's so sad that she knows/loves the Doctor and he has no idea who she is and then she dies for him just as he starts to trust her. Makes me cry every time! I think that she is the Doctor's future wife but he doesn't know it until she whispers his name in his ear then he realises and starts to trust and even LOVE her.
@Pokeluva1 Well, you have to remember: their stories together aren't in chronological order for each of them -- the Doctor *will* trust her, in future stories, before she dies, because they still have considerable ground to "fill in", so to speak, over *both* their timelines. He didn't trust her in "Silence..." because he had only just met her; in stories set relatively early in *her* timeline, she might not trust *him* so much, or at all, depending on how "early" it is for *her*...
It's all confusing and there are so many ways that they know each other and I hope that somehow the Doctor can fix his and River's timelines so they can live all of those times in chronological order... It won't happen but, a girl can dream.
@Remmy95 See here's where things get confusing though... If we all are staring to think that she's the Rani the wouldn't that be going against what stephen ment when he said "she's not who we expect." I think she might be... or i still want to go with his future wife. Maybe... She's his future wife and great grandmother of Susan... his first companion?!?! you know how time lines cross and everything.
She didn't have that screwdriver in The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, which means, although we know their next meeting in the s5 finale is in her past (from the last ep) at some point the Doctor must meet her after she's done Crash of the Byzantium and give her the sonic screwdriver...
@CaptainAndyman River says in 4x09 that the last time she saw 'her' Doctor(the one who knows her), he gave her the screwdriver. Also, since it had a deviced that recorded her memory, I think the Doctor gave it to her to be able to save her in his past. And so his past self would trust her/understand she is important.
@RyannLawd Of course there's the possibility that the Doctor built it especially for River Song, i.e. Sarah Jane's sonic lipstick. And yes, that sonic blaster she's got IS the same one Jack had in The Empty Child/The Doctor dances. She's also from the 51th century.
@trishadonoghue The Time Agency was the company Captain Jack once worked for. Agents would be sent on missions in different points of space, hence the Vortex manipulators.
Thanks for posting this! I'm watching Doctor Who series 3 and the new series 5 together. Very confusing to not know anything about River Song. This helped a great deal. Thanks again!
according to the doctor who wiki "In a recent interview by Digital Spy, Steven Moffat made a passing comment to the effect that River Song might turn out to be very different from people's presumptions as to who she really is."
she said "judging by your face its only days for you" so she knows him, and keeps track of how old they look each time they meet... but tennant never meets her! and she knows tennant! hmm... hes off the show... how are they gonna pull this off?
was the picnik and Byzantium ment to hapen to 10? have the time lines changed cos she seems to know 10. will have to waight for seres 5 or 1 or what ever
I had my doubts about Riversong, since he'll be gone soon in his "personal timeline" as Tennant is over soon, and it took her a while to regiser that he was too early for her, meaning she had spent a lot of time with Tennant or she would have known instantly. Or he could have done those things in the future because she was glad they happened in HER past, like he did with the screwdriver to save her... the list goes on about who she could be. Even with an ep in the making.
There has been pictures taken at the shooting of the Fith Series and you see the actor of river song in an amry suit. You also see a crashed ship (Which could be the 'Crash at Byzantium' which River talks about).
There is also a Byzantium sign on one of the pictures apparently
All the clues pointed to the fact that they had a close relationship and whether or not they were married it seems obvious that they had some sort of romantic relationship. I mean they had a picnic and everything. Doctor never did that for anyone else. That and the fact that she knows his name. Personally I think they might have been married. That being said.... was I the only one that didn't like her when I saw this episode? Rose was perfect for him.....
Too old? Funny... that she isn't another 20-something companion is what made her more interesting to me, like with Donna (and, btw, Alex Kingston is only a few years older than Katherine Tate...) Also, given that "The Crash of the Byzantium" is one of the first stories for next season (under whatever title), it is obvious that the stories of their (the Doctor and River) adventures will not be taking place in any kind of chronological order, nor produced in story order either, which is cool...
@Christo632 We aren't likely to see that for a while -- possibly a few seasons. I have conjectured since "Silence in the Library" aired that River would likely be a recurring character over a number of seasons, possibly into the next (12th+) Doctor, depending on how long Moffat stays with the show. Alex Kingston has already said in interviews that she'll come back whenever they want her, 'cus she loves the character...
Wow... I guess I am the first person ever on the internet to ever misspell a word or name... poor me...
Oh, and BTW: you're obviously just being bitchy, as my post both made sense *and* seems to get a fair amount of agreement from others.... sooooo... why don't *you* get a life...?
@HobbitNinj YES! God I was still in mourning for Rose, and I was liking that season 4 didn't have any romantic feelings invovled, and then here comes River, and the Doctor is in love AGAIN... But now I love her! I look forward to her episodes.
I wonder if it's Donna now or if she's related to Donna in some. There was a scene where the guy who owned the library said Riversong and the Doctor were going on like an old married couple. This resembles what everyone says or assumes about them.
I hope she comes back. It only sounds logical to bring her back in the specials since david is leaving because she has obviously met the tenth doctor.
I think Alex Kingston is superb. The first thing I saw her in is Moll Flanders, and I think she could only add to the Doctor Who story line. I'd like to see this character again!
I hope Dr. Song comes back, particularly with this actress. She has such a great presence. I can only hope Steven Moffat (writer of this episode and new producer as of 2010) brings her back.
Honestly, they'd have to pull the trigger soon if they bring the actress back.
I think River Song she meet the human doctor and Rose or she might be Rose Future incarnation, because the proper doctor cannot age. The Human Doctor can age and Rose shes been end of the universe.
It explained everything when the doctor talking to gwen,shes the incarnation of gwyneth from season one.
The alternate realm is forever sealed after Davros stole the planets and tried to create the Reality Bomb. She must have known The Doctor in a future regeneration of his, hence why she said "Oh, I hoped you were my Doctor"
i know this is wierd but it may turn out donna is a timelady and that riversong is the next regeneration because in 'turn left' rose tells her there is a reading from he thats been there since she was born.
I agree with you. I think Donna will be River. Perhaps it will tie in with a Romana Storyline. What if Romana, lived long enough after the time war to give birth, kinda like the heroine did in the Kevin Costner Dragonfly movie. What if Somehow Donna was Romana's child? By the Doctor? or Another timelord? Doesn't really matter...What if she gave the baby to Donna's earth dad and mom...Doctor/Donna seemed to "know" a Little more than Doctor, remember Romana excellen in time lord school
Doctor who Season 4 kept mentioning special child, in different episodes, Donna may even be more special than Doc thinks! jenny episode was a clone, but could allude to donna too as Gallifrey child. Moffat did ask if Donna would come back. And if she was a timelord, unrealized...well...something could be wrote very easily to accomidate...Would explain River Song Writing a Diary...she wouldn't forget...But, here funny that the doctor doesn't remember her...deja vous in reverse
Spoilers :)
Adnan253 2 months ago
I love when the guy asks why he's the only one wearing a helmet, and she replies "I don't fancy you" !:D
Artistiique 4 months ago
FORESHADOWING WITH THE SPACE SUIT.
2muchharrypotter 5 months ago 2
@2muchharrypotter Or retrospective pre-shadowing? oooooh
JoelJoel321 4 months ago
It's so much sadder watching this in hindsight. Poor River.
JoeyFifty2 5 months ago
TheInspectorwho has a point, why does is river's screwdriver 10's screwdriver...this is interesting...
conversejunkie2222 6 months ago
the one thing that that get's me is that River has a screwdriver that is looks more
like 10's then 11's and she seems to know the 10th doctor well even though the
next time he sees her he's the 11th him something up
TheInspectorwho 6 months ago
@TheInspectorwho What we were seeing was the 10th doctor, who had not died yet. His face is not a fix point in time, so time where she sees him can be rewritten. She isn't surprised by his face, because its not new to him, because he hasn't died yet. He didn't have to die at that point in time when he changed from tennet to matt smith, but he did so her sonic in retrospec would have chaned, but we were viewing her from tennet's point of view so he had not died yet.
LavLightKnight 3 months ago
Uhh in the newest series amy and rori finds out that melody is actually amy's daughter... it was actually a big shock for me as a doctor who fan...
robloxroblox 6 months ago
Love it when Ten said, "DONNA! Be quiet." Haha.
theritztotherubble 6 months ago
"800% *holds out sonic screwdriver* Pass it on."
"Gotcha *held up another sonic screwdriver"
"Whats that? *Stares*'
"It's a screwdriver."
"It's sonic."
"*nods* Yeah I know.*puts the sonic screwdriver higher in the air* Snap!"
xD Hahah
DigiCosmicAngel 6 months ago
most annoying assistant since Peri
atrios28 7 months ago
@atrios28 i could stand peri. The entire new season seems to be revolving around River Song. They should just re-name it the River Song show.
destinyson23 6 months ago
@destinyson23 I'm not talking about the beautiful lass in curls. She's a terrific actress. Tennant is paired with a shite companion for the last year of his tenure
atrios28 6 months ago
@atrios28 my apologies. I clearly read what I wanted to read with your original comment. I think the actress playing River song is good, I personally don't like all of the focus on her since season 5 and 6 started up. Tennant's companions always were a bit frustrating to people - I didn't like Rose, you didn't like Donna.
destinyson23 6 months ago
is it wrong that I'm 18 and think that river song is really sexy?
jimmy2k4o 8 months ago
I understand sooo much more now xD
TheStigDude 8 months ago
2:46 river toughts: "oh shit i am gonna die..."
Pakenpaken 8 months ago
@Pakenpaken :D Lol! That's actually what I said the first time I watched Day of the Moon
slightlyinsaneFTW 7 months ago
@slightlyinsaneFTW yeah! same here :D
Pakenpaken 7 months ago
@Pakenpaken Well technically, as she was saying
'And I think it's going to kill me'
I was saying 'Yes, River, it will'
slightlyinsaneFTW 7 months ago
donna = best ever!
logIT135 8 months ago
HAHA "Hello sweetie"
"Get out"
ShotUrGoldFish 8 months ago 2
"So why don't you know me? Where am I in the future?" <--- soooo sad! *sniff*
femaleStudent 8 months ago 3
wait a minute. if river knew all the spoilers about herself and the doctor and something about donna since she came into the david tennant series, and AMY AND RORY werent in it and the doctor didnt even know them at the time how could she be thier daughter
TheJustineWho 8 months ago
@TheJustineWho SPOILERS because she's part time lord
ShotUrGoldFish 8 months ago
@TheJustineWho because as they go along there not creating or rewritting history there living it hard to explain its like you going back in time to see your mum before she met your dad or your wife before you met her because time isn't a straight line not explaing this very well
jimmy2k4o 8 months ago
I'm just confused. Technically, this is the last time River ever saw the doctor, which means the time before this should've been, technically, with the eleventh doctor, since she did no more episodes with ten. So why does she have tens sonic screwdriver and not elevens?
Kelly6758 8 months ago
@Kelly6758 She doesnt have Tens, or Elevens. The screwdriver is The Doctors screwdriver but its probably Twelve's or Thirteens or something. Rivers screwdriver is and looks different from these two Doctors. When the Doctor said "Why would i give you my screwdriver" he doesnt mean the one he has now he means why in the future, has future Doctor give you my/his screwdriver
ShotUrGoldFish 8 months ago
melody pond :)
sommergarten 8 months ago 7
ON saturday night, we findly found out who River Song finally was. And it was the most unpredictable story line, in doctor who history. It makes River Song a complete surprise.
Shazzlovesoth 8 months ago
What is the theme called in the diary scene
RanaViridis 9 months ago
2:42 major let down lol
theDoctorsWarrior 9 months ago
@theDoctorsWarrior That moment you pointed out is not the moment when she's simply let down. River Song knew that she and the Doctor were both going at different directions in time. Therefore, the first time the Doctor meets her is the last time she meets the Doctor.
That moment was when she realized she was going to die.
tanfoculta 8 months ago
@astud218 It isn't my fault you assume that people who challenge your opinion are automatically looking for an argument. Sounds like you need to 'chill out'. :]
Ezmezz 9 months ago
@astud218 I wasn't starting an arguement, I just thought your opinion was shallow. Of course your entilted to your opinion, everyone is, but I don't see why you think that the doctor's travel companion should be sterotypically 'sexy', that's all.
Ezmezz 9 months ago
@astud218 Donna was a breath of fresh air! Doctor and sidekick romance has been overdone, and it was too soon after Rose, espically for this doctor. Donna was funny and something different, if you want to watch something for vanity, go watch some souless show that bases their actors on looks.
Ezmezz 9 months ago
@Ezmezz I agree 100%
doghouse71 9 months ago
I really hate that they are trying to make it in reverse chronological order now, It makes less sense, and argh its been my pet peve since she said it in The Impossiable Astronaunt
emmahouli 9 months ago
@emmahouli After getting to know her in recent episodes, I had to go back and watch her death again in the library episode to make sense of it all -- I'm not there yet, but I know that if she and the Doctor do have a romantic relationship (husband/wife), then I may just watch that episode again and cry . . . because what she says is quite sad!
Aziexxx 9 months ago
Aww. :( Now that I've seen the latest...
Poor River. :( :( :(
Screw whoever thinks she's 'too old'. He's nearly 1000 years old, for crying out loud, let him have whatever age he likes!
Neithie 10 months ago
The scene from 1:20 to 2:48 was funny and weird when I first saw it a couple of years ago. Now, I may start crying. It's so sad :'(
For those who haven't seen Impossible Astronaut....Spoilers~
Jessiegurl77 10 months ago
i think she is the doctors future wife!! she knows his name and everything!
msnoahxlukefan 10 months ago
After the first ep of season 6 my theory is She's Rory & Amy's daughter. If you think about it it's more than possible. Bad news for Rory and Amy if I'm right though. Think she'll end up an orphan.
deansie84 10 months ago 3
@deansie84 Ha! I thought I was the only one with that idea. but I think we are both correct.
Run4MeLife 10 months ago
@deansie84 It's a wee bit creepy if she's flirting with her dad the way she has been. Just saying.
phililili23 10 months ago
@deansie84 i thought that 2 cos you no when she sed she killed the best man she ever met maybe she means rory cos sometimes girls think that there dads are the best :/
jessicacute321 10 months ago
@deansie84 I don't think Rory and Amy really are pregnant, because Amy was experiencing pains as an after-effect of seeing The Silence and she must've just assumed that it meant she was pregnant. River got them as well (but when Rory didn't experience any) but she blamed the prison food. And if Amy had known she was pregnant before the Silence, she wouldn't have drank wine at the picnic.
fwuffleclouds15 10 months ago
I think I'm obsessed with River Song. I can't wait to see her again in "The Impossible Astronaut"!
bigbenkentucky2 10 months ago
God i miss Donna lol!!! Much love for this story. David and Alex have great chemistry together here-BRILLIANT.
ScorpiousMagnus 10 months ago
All this mystery about River Song is a red herring. While everyone's all speculating about her, Captain Jack and the Face of Boe thing is forgotten.
Just kidding. But if you want to know my theory, I think River Song is River Song.
GerryIsNear 10 months ago
My theory in all of this? it may sound silly, but she could be the TARDIS in life form.... and if u think about it, it does make sense :-)
Rockaria23 10 months ago
@Rockaria23 very very clever.... but i dont think the writers would o that far.
bunnydo22 10 months ago
@bunnydo22 it woz just my mind goin into overdrive.. worth a try tho :-)
Rockaria23 10 months ago
Seeing her later appearances and then looking back at her at the end of her life, you really see her differently. Seeing her and the Doctor passionately kiss in one of the trailers for her next appearance, too, really says it all. She loved him, and he will love her.
XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX 11 months ago
I love the end!
JorjLimOnYT 11 months ago
.. my theory, one of many, of course: River isa Timelord mutant, one of the Neverweres or Meanwhiles from the Time War AT (alternate Timeline. That explains how the Doctor doesn;t know she's a Time Lord... because they were different than the LOOMED.
AuglereDeRosenkinde 11 months ago
The fact she said "diaries" and not for instance "MY diary" I've always found interesting, but it could be completely irrelevant for me to. She seems to assume he must have one of his own, so surely at some point he must do and I don't believe he's ever done? Maybe as he learnt now she has one and is important to him in some way, when this new series comes along, he starts writing one with her?
Again it could be irrelevant to the storyline but it did make me wonder what that was about!
GraceUnderPressure1 11 months ago
"I just want you to know that there are worlds out there, safe in the sky, because of her. That there are people living in the light, singing songs of Donna Noble, a thousand million light-years away... they will never forget her. While she can never remember."
IZEASGT 1 year ago
How can she not know if they have done the crash of the banzantium, if she knew it was "early days". She could see his face was different, so she must know.
antony492 1 year ago
@antony492 She doesn't necessarily remember the order of his phases. She knows the David Tennant phase is early, but she could think that it is later than the Matt Smith phase.
arad7613 11 months ago
Look, as River says "spoilers", give up speculating, cos we wont find out until it is aired. I personally prefered it when it was left mysterious in the Library and not expanded on.
antony492 1 year ago
XD oooh Donna "what are talking about? Are you just talking rubish?! DO you know him or DON'T you?!" funny every time!
Falcor43 1 year ago 36
Now that I know River.... the 2:12 scene makes me cry
PenelopeHawthorn 1 year ago
sorry i know i got to stop coming up with theories like a mad scientist but listen:
she could be his wife 'cause she's from the future. she might be a time lady and you know like how the master survived the Time War maybe she survived that way. and knowing that the doctor was the only other survivor 'cause he ended the war she settled for him.
DoctorWhoStar100 1 year ago
even more...
ok i said river was like amy and rose. so here is the explaination..
the Doctor loved Rose and doesn't know if he'll ever see her again river's like that you could tell in david one that she loved him to bit's but he does no he'll see her again cause of the book she takes with her everywhere.
now Amy is a differant story she likes the doctor but as her best friend also she has this don't careish attitude that river has.
hope that the next series gives us clues
DoctorWhoStar100 1 year ago
more...
someone said accountant but the doctor told astrid in voyage of the damned that he hadn't a penny and it isn't likely he has a bank account I mean he's a time traveller. though in the runaway bride he zapped the bank thing with his sonic and money flew every where so he wouldn't need a bank.
so everyone is saying she's his wife but but as many say it would be a bit to obvious but river song is a mad twist between 2 people to the doctor rose and amy
i'll explain later.
DoctorWhoStar100 1 year ago
more...
someone said accountant but the doctor told astrid in voyage of the damned that he hadn't a penny and it isn't likely he has a bank account I mean he's a time traveller. though in the runaway bride he zapped the bank thing with his sonic and money flew every where so he wouldn't need a bank.
so everyone is saying she's his wife but but as many say it would be a bit to obvious but river song is a mad twist between 2 people to the doctor rose and amy
i'll explain later.
DoctorWhoStar100 1 year ago
ok river can't be his mother cause she's from his future not past his mother obviously died in the time war. she knows his name. also he is in a love-hate relation ship going with the 11th doctor's reaction to her so now i am thinking she might be the TARDIS and the doctor mends the chamealeon circuit in the future but then why would she need a time vortex minipulater ?
to be continued...
plz respond with suggestions thanx
DoctorWhoStar100 1 year ago
I love her, she's so cool...
ArturoStojanoff 1 year ago
the bit that always gets me is when she says "Donna? Oh myh - you're Donna Noble!?" it's SO sweeet! The Doctor, WAY in the future, talks of Donna, and must talk of her a lot, you know like a husband talks to his wife about something difficult he's been through - he remembers and still regrets Donna ... aaaaaw!!
One of my favourite episodes this! :)
FireflyFanatic3 1 year ago
@FireflyFanatic3 'sept 11 never talks about his past. Amy doesn't even know about the Time War, or his relationships with previous companions (she knows OF them but not ABOUT them) or even small details like that he's got two hearts. This annoys me greatly. Hopefully now that he's meeting River for the first time (n HER time-line) he'll TALK a little more. Martha would be sad if she knew the Doctor never talked about her anymore, and Rose and Donna would quiet frankly be pissed. :) (2 b cont...)
Annabeth713 1 year ago
@FireflyFanatic3 However, this proves the theory of River being his wife. Someone he trusts completely. Someone who he'll tell anything, even the hardest memories. You are absolutely right, it is very sweet. And I think it's true that he trusts River enough to tell her about Donna, one of his most painful memories that he cannot even share with Amy, his best friend.
Annabeth713 1 year ago
i'm thinkin david tennent will make a come back cause he says in this episode that rivers screwdriver is exactly......exactly the same as his and the new doctor has a different one
TattyBobble 1 year ago
@TattyBobble he must get a new one in series 6 or stops river from going to the library
superfalconanimy 1 year ago
I think she's Miranda like the Doctor's adopted daughter! I think they are married because ell... she ran off right? It's convoluted and strange but I think she Miranda! I mean look at the picture! Curly blonde hair and she killed a rebel leader who could have been known as a great man! So she died but she's a time lord can anyone say Regenerate! The only way to kill a timelord is to stop both hearts yes? So did she plus it would explain a lot!
TonksieFea 1 year ago
Who does she kill???? Someone said it was Captain Jack, I think that could be what turns him into the face of Bo???????????
sweetreat2 1 year ago
@sweetreat2 My friends and I conjecture that she "kills" (literally or in some abstract way) the Dreamlord/Valeyard/whatever-you-want-to-call-him, which could be the Doctor in his last (or at least indeterminant-future) incarnation, or some other bit of wibbly-wobbly, timey-whimey... It would play up a number of subtextual points about their relationship, that's for sure...
tideoftime 1 year ago
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The Doctor said that she knew his name, and that there is only one reason he would tell his name to anyone. She is obviously his accountant, and needed his name so she could file his taxes.
grim1020 1 year ago 2
i love donna's face at "pretty boy" :L
abrigellar 1 year ago 2
I'm going with Mother.
rohgenextfan 1 year ago
@rohgenextfan me too! :D But it's still weird when she calls him pretty boy. Imagine your mum saying some of the stuff that she has. Haha. That'd be weird. D'you reckon that when we learn what's going on that we'll be like "three years and it was just that?" xD Naughty Steven Moffatt.
thefartydoctor 1 year ago
I think River being wife of the Doctor is a bit too obvious, thus it's not the fact. I am expecting a big twist on her story.
utkucavalier 1 year ago
I sometimes hated River in these episodes but I love her when she talks to others about the Doctor. She loves him, and on such a deeper level than I think any companion has. And you can just hear in her voice how it kills her that he doesn't know her yet, which, thinking about it, it would. Poor River.
MissSunFlower94 1 year ago
@sexigal99 or maybe it's not Amy, maybe it's Donna, because Donna absorbed the doctor or whatever so maybe it's her, and why River was so surprised to meet her...
Berwozoid 1 year ago
River is River. She is someone important to the Doctor somehow and I'm going to stop speculating until I have more information. It's impossible to figure out, there are too many possiblities. I still haven't even decided if I like her or not.
shannonbug18 1 year ago
River is actually Romana, who is REALLY the Doctor's mother and Donna all combined. Jack is the Doctor's daddy, but in the future he has a sex change and turns into Rose and Jenny regenerates into Susan. It all makes sense now.
JUST KIDDING.
My real theory: River = River. She's possibly married to the Doctor, but a future version. Hence the whole married but not married thing.
ashesofbalderdash 1 year ago
bindiyay 1 year ago
There have been some speculations that RiverSong is Amy Pond. But if that's true, what happened/happens to Rory? Hm...
And I've re watched some episodes with River and Amy and I can see how people would think they're the same person. It'll be interesting to see how that all plays out...
panty3pirate 1 year ago
i think she's his wife, personally she acts like his wife!!
MissGracieKathy 1 year ago 21
@MissGracieKathy
I don't think she is the Doctor's wife. in fact, I think that she is Romana. Just look at the evidence: She acts like Romana: A time lord who is a know-it-all. She gets under the Doctor's skin just like that... Come on: If that isn't Romana, then who is? She even looks kind of like Romana...
santoslittlehelper06 1 year ago
@MissGracieKathy yeah she flirts with him and knows so much about him , so it does seem like they do have a love relationship in the future
smickersxxx 7 months ago
Series 5 has finished... I reckon she used the chameleon arch as the Rani (see 1987) and began a fully human life.... thus explaining.... I still dont know XD
skaraflame 1 year ago
@skaraflame
Never mind The Rani. What if River Song is Romana? Think about it: Romana III. Ohhh, that's brilliant!
santoslittlehelper06 1 year ago
@santoslittlehelper06 Hmm Romana... River... they both start with R's and sound (Not really) Similar...
Berwozoid 1 year ago
I am still convinced she's either another Time Lord or a Time Agent.
rady2278 1 year ago
@rady2278 i'm saying that she is the Rani because she told the doctor that once he found out who she was it would change everything
Azrael666Azazel 1 year ago
I love her. I figure if he has to have a love interest (which is still up in the air IMO), one that's human, better an independent and highly intelligent one than a clingy and shallow girl with a child's mind. Anyone notice that she seems a bit TOO loyal though? In Flesh and Stone she wanted to get thrown in the crack instead of The Doctor. I said to myself, "She is bonkers." I love the look on Donna's face in the clip when she realizes "Pretty Boy" is The Doctor. lol
TweekleDee 1 year ago 2
River is just simply amazing!!! It's so sad that she knows/loves the Doctor and he has no idea who she is and then she dies for him just as he starts to trust her. Makes me cry every time! I think that she is the Doctor's future wife but he doesn't know it until she whispers his name in his ear then he realises and starts to trust and even LOVE her.
Pokeluva1 1 year ago
@Pokeluva1 Well, you have to remember: their stories together aren't in chronological order for each of them -- the Doctor *will* trust her, in future stories, before she dies, because they still have considerable ground to "fill in", so to speak, over *both* their timelines. He didn't trust her in "Silence..." because he had only just met her; in stories set relatively early in *her* timeline, she might not trust *him* so much, or at all, depending on how "early" it is for *her*...
tideoftime 1 year ago
@tideoftime Good point...
It's all confusing and there are so many ways that they know each other and I hope that somehow the Doctor can fix his and River's timelines so they can live all of those times in chronological order... It won't happen but, a girl can dream.
Pokeluva1 1 year ago
@Remmy95 See here's where things get confusing though... If we all are staring to think that she's the Rani the wouldn't that be going against what stephen ment when he said "she's not who we expect." I think she might be... or i still want to go with his future wife. Maybe... She's his future wife and great grandmother of Susan... his first companion?!?! you know how time lines cross and everything.
katebien 1 year ago
@Remmy95 in the time of angels she has the book... which as she says has images of all his faces cause, "they are so hard to keep track of."
katebien 1 year ago
She didn't have that screwdriver in The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, which means, although we know their next meeting in the s5 finale is in her past (from the last ep) at some point the Doctor must meet her after she's done Crash of the Byzantium and give her the sonic screwdriver...
CaptainAndyman 1 year ago
@CaptainAndyman River says in 4x09 that the last time she saw 'her' Doctor(the one who knows her), he gave her the screwdriver. Also, since it had a deviced that recorded her memory, I think the Doctor gave it to her to be able to save her in his past. And so his past self would trust her/understand she is important.
Aemys 1 year ago
in series five the new screw driver is green so unless he gets another new one then they have messed up to whole thing of giving her his screw driver
RyannLawd 1 year ago
@RyannLawd Of course there's the possibility that the Doctor built it especially for River Song, i.e. Sarah Jane's sonic lipstick. And yes, that sonic blaster she's got IS the same one Jack had in The Empty Child/The Doctor dances. She's also from the 51th century.
She might have been a Time Agent...
trentBowie 1 year ago
@trentBowie whats a time agent?
trishadonoghue 1 year ago
@trishadonoghue The Time Agency was the company Captain Jack once worked for. Agents would be sent on missions in different points of space, hence the Vortex manipulators.
trentBowie 1 year ago
"Oh I'M pretty boy? Pretty?!"
I love David.
hothotheat3000 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this! I'm watching Doctor Who series 3 and the new series 5 together. Very confusing to not know anything about River Song. This helped a great deal. Thanks again!
TheSeverusSnape 1 year ago
@Remmy95 She may have met the 11th, and seen an image of the 10th.
DrHoe77 1 year ago
@DrHoe77 You have to think non-linearly for a sec: If she's met the 11th, in her past, because she's seen his face now, she'll recognize it later.
DrHoe77 1 year ago
according to the doctor who wiki "In a recent interview by Digital Spy, Steven Moffat made a passing comment to the effect that River Song might turn out to be very different from people's presumptions as to who she really is."
Rathause 1 year ago
@cookiecrisp93.
Listen again, she says it's early days for you..not only. She hasn't met Tennant before but it's obvious that he is the Doctor.
She also says in the episode "you're younger then I've ever seen you" This implies she has met the Doctor before but not as Tennant..
It's so late. I really should sleep.
OblivionsOathkeeper 2 years ago
she said "judging by your face its only days for you" so she knows him, and keeps track of how old they look each time they meet... but tennant never meets her! and she knows tennant! hmm... hes off the show... how are they gonna pull this off?
cookiecrisp93 2 years ago
oh i would love to get me a hold of that diary!!!
cultmiester 2 years ago
cry for help... with a kiss!!!
ARE YOU JUST TALKIN RUBBISH???
i miss Donna lol
freeride13 2 years ago
was the picnik and Byzantium ment to hapen to 10? have the time lines changed cos she seems to know 10. will have to waight for seres 5 or 1 or what ever
help406 2 years ago
It'll be weird when the eleventh doctor meets her in series 5, and he already knows who she is...
MinutesToMidnight92 2 years ago
i'm a time traveler
i point a laugh at archeologist's
haha i lv that bit xx
gemmashannon2009 2 years ago
i think to the end of this episode he figures out who she is
res4mgszelda 2 years ago
Also!!!
The way she talks about him being young, could be she meets the other Doctor in the future, as he ages
Jaaayke 2 years ago 18
'Obviously ringing no bells'
Donna NOBLE.
Listen to the way she says it.
'Nobells'
Jaaayke 2 years ago
I had my doubts about Riversong, since he'll be gone soon in his "personal timeline" as Tennant is over soon, and it took her a while to regiser that he was too early for her, meaning she had spent a lot of time with Tennant or she would have known instantly. Or he could have done those things in the future because she was glad they happened in HER past, like he did with the screwdriver to save her... the list goes on about who she could be. Even with an ep in the making.
xxAl
alnastra 2 years ago
*Spoliers*
There has been pictures taken at the shooting of the Fith Series and you see the actor of river song in an amry suit. You also see a crashed ship (Which could be the 'Crash at Byzantium' which River talks about).
There is also a Byzantium sign on one of the pictures apparently
TheGeekOfTime 2 years ago
where did u see these?
stokesutty13 2 years ago
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Hmmm maybe but remember its SERIES 6.Because this is brithish
TheBioLover 2 years ago
me too and the singing mountains, and a crying doctor
Jamestopboy 2 years ago
All the clues pointed to the fact that they had a close relationship and whether or not they were married it seems obvious that they had some sort of romantic relationship. I mean they had a picnic and everything. Doctor never did that for anyone else. That and the fact that she knows his name. Personally I think they might have been married. That being said.... was I the only one that didn't like her when I saw this episode? Rose was perfect for him.....
HobbitNinj 2 years ago 2
he also had kids at one point but could she be his childrens mother?
thehitch4 2 years ago 3
I totally agree I didn't like river much I liked rose a lot more and she was better for him than river
CharizardphantomXD 2 years ago
she seems too old
KaatieMH 2 years ago
Too old? Funny... that she isn't another 20-something companion is what made her more interesting to me, like with Donna (and, btw, Alex Kingston is only a few years older than Katherine Tate...) Also, given that "The Crash of the Byzantium" is one of the first stories for next season (under whatever title), it is obvious that the stories of their (the Doctor and River) adventures will not be taking place in any kind of chronological order, nor produced in story order either, which is cool...
tideoftime 2 years ago 30
@tideoftime "Crash of the Byzantium" - Now known as the cliffhanger and it's counterpart "The Time of Angels" and "Flesh and Stone".
What I want to see now is the time that she first meets him...
Christo632 1 year ago
@tideoftime @tideoftime "Crash of the Byzantium" - Now known as the cliffhanger and it's counterpart "The Time of Angels" and "Flesh and Stone".
What I want to see now is the time that she first meets him...
Christo632 1 year ago
@Christo632 We aren't likely to see that for a while -- possibly a few seasons. I have conjectured since "Silence in the Library" aired that River would likely be a recurring character over a number of seasons, possibly into the next (12th+) Doctor, depending on how long Moffat stays with the show. Alex Kingston has already said in interviews that she'll come back whenever they want her, 'cus she loves the character...
tideoftime 1 year ago
@tideoftime I agree plus isn't the doctor oh... humm what was it now.... 900 years old?
TonksieFea 1 year ago
@tideoftime 1, WTF!!
2, its CATHerine Tate not KATHERine Tate, geez
get a life
QueenBonesofdarkness 10 months ago
@QueenBonesofdarkness
Wow... I guess I am the first person ever on the internet to ever misspell a word or name... poor me...
Oh, and BTW: you're obviously just being bitchy, as my post both made sense *and* seems to get a fair amount of agreement from others.... sooooo... why don't *you* get a life...?
tideoftime 10 months ago
@HobbitNinj Yes, you're the only one who didn't like her. Or maybe I'm the only one who DID like her.
orbital151 1 year ago
@HobbitNinj YES! God I was still in mourning for Rose, and I was liking that season 4 didn't have any romantic feelings invovled, and then here comes River, and the Doctor is in love AGAIN... But now I love her! I look forward to her episodes.
emmahouli 9 months ago
david has a nice ass when it sticks up
WhoStew 2 years ago
Hey professor River Song on Law and Order.lol was cool
TVwriter23 2 years ago
Wait. If River Song meets the Doctor in this generation, doesn't that mean she's in the three specials then?
kayte64 3 years ago 3
she never said she met him in his tenth she said he was difficult young so it must be at least 11 maybe 12
Jamestopboy 2 years ago 2
pretty boy it looks like someone's got the hots for him
WhoStew 3 years ago
I wonder if it's Donna now or if she's related to Donna in some. There was a scene where the guy who owned the library said Riversong and the Doctor were going on like an old married couple. This resembles what everyone says or assumes about them.
TVwriter23 3 years ago
Ooooh. I see what you mean. Could be. :)
kayte64 2 years ago
I hope she comes back. It only sounds logical to bring her back in the specials since david is leaving because she has obviously met the tenth doctor.
theuglyguy111 3 years ago
i no it sounds stupid but do u think she is his wife maybe
themasterofdoctorwho 3 years ago
I think Alex Kingston is superb. The first thing I saw her in is Moll Flanders, and I think she could only add to the Doctor Who story line. I'd like to see this character again!
saffronica73 3 years ago 2
oh definitely yes!
WillowMaclay 3 years ago
Maybe the River Song stories will be in the books?
Trayusstudent1 3 years ago
I hope Dr. Song comes back, particularly with this actress. She has such a great presence. I can only hope Steven Moffat (writer of this episode and new producer as of 2010) brings her back.
Honestly, they'd have to pull the trigger soon if they bring the actress back.
ThatNickGuy28 3 years ago
wpw
breakingthehabit2008 3 years ago
I think River Song she meet the human doctor and Rose or she might be Rose Future incarnation, because the proper doctor cannot age. The Human Doctor can age and Rose shes been end of the universe.
It explained everything when the doctor talking to gwen,shes the incarnation of gwyneth from season one.
DAVIDBILLIEFOREVER 3 years ago
The alternate realm is forever sealed after Davros stole the planets and tried to create the Reality Bomb. She must have known The Doctor in a future regeneration of his, hence why she said "Oh, I hoped you were my Doctor"
MrPsychic8472 3 years ago
she means the 11th doctor is her doctor
torchwood10 3 years ago
Oops! Never mind!
Lavewoman 3 years ago
River Song = Rose
Lavewoman 3 years ago
I have a strong feeling it's Jenny,(Doctors daughter incase your retarded) OR another time lordess.
StormtheRebel 3 years ago
it is either jenny, rose or the rani lol
Timelord1104 3 years ago
i know this is wierd but it may turn out donna is a timelady and that riversong is the next regeneration because in 'turn left' rose tells her there is a reading from he thats been there since she was born.
magnastail 3 years ago
I agree with you. I think Donna will be River. Perhaps it will tie in with a Romana Storyline. What if Romana, lived long enough after the time war to give birth, kinda like the heroine did in the Kevin Costner Dragonfly movie. What if Somehow Donna was Romana's child? By the Doctor? or Another timelord? Doesn't really matter...What if she gave the baby to Donna's earth dad and mom...Doctor/Donna seemed to "know" a Little more than Doctor, remember Romana excellen in time lord school
revmary 3 years ago
Doctor who Season 4 kept mentioning special child, in different episodes, Donna may even be more special than Doc thinks! jenny episode was a clone, but could allude to donna too as Gallifrey child. Moffat did ask if Donna would come back. And if she was a timelord, unrealized...well...something could be wrote very easily to accomidate...Would explain River Song Writing a Diary...she wouldn't forget...But, here funny that the doctor doesn't remember her...deja vous in reverse
revmary 3 years ago
The Supreme One says when he shoves the TARDIS in the heart of the crucible, "The last child of Gallifrey will die!" What does that mean hm?
Trayusstudent1 3 years ago
Either referring to The Doctor or the TARDIS, which is grown, supposedly on Gallifrey.
MrPsychic8472 3 years ago