Debunking the 912 Project's Crowd Size

[thumperquimslit]

FAIL

[booth805]

why no wide angle photo of the tea party rally? hell no picture of the rally at all. and then you propose to dispute the crowd size. talk about propaganda. however long live Ron Paul

[magx01]

Wow, the kool aid is flowing in the comments on this video....

Anyways, number fudging is a minor transgression for these disingenuous assholes.

[Jarut195]

Quit bullshitting, democrats are closer to the socialism on the linear political spectrum than republicans, and socialism/communism is the party of the WORKER!

Communism was founded on the ideal that the workers, the proles, the peasants, rise up against their employers and revolt. Republicans... do not support the worker, Republicans are strict on labor unions, propose lower wages, and give tax breaks to the rich... How can you possibly say a Republican supports the worker.

[0penuriis]

lol Comments below are a great example of the ppl who where there.

'I wuz der d crowd wuz big, 1billion ppls!!1!' unfortunately dosn't prove anything (wat, u spent all day counting everyone?) to present an argument you need sum facts to back it up.

'That's wat you say' is not a valid argument.

[kyironrider]

I was in DC on 9/12/2009. DC police said this was the bigest crowd to ever come to the Capitol. You, little man, don't know SHIT. The WORKING people of America will stop this socialist take over and if you don't like it you can take your dumbass to Canada and when you have had enough of socialism we might let you come back. That is if you are ready to be part of the working class.

[FuckObamasMama]

Nice picture.

But were you there?

Denial is weak.

How about showing a wide angle video,and factor in the croud that overflowed down side streets because there was no room.

Instead you show a cropped photo.

Da doink!

[Merlin1246]

I was there. In an entire day, I never heard a single mention of the word "Republican" or "Republican Party"......you can try and spin it any way you want, but it was a true grass-roots, self-funded demonstration by concerned Americans. If YOU weren't there, don't bother commenting about it, becuase you're likely to be wrong, and someday, perhaps, dead wrong.

[lwgrier]

Stick to smoking pot. Specialize in it! Do it well; better than anyone ever has! You should have a future in it!

Leave blogging to those who understand the nature of 'fact reporting'...

This post is irrelevant and unfactual.

[briiick]

Pot Head! "your facts" muddy the water! And your pictures are misleading... at best! As for the rest of you, go look at the pictures and the numbers for yourself. Don't go by what this stoney has to say... or anyone else.

[ajohn1511]

I completely agree.

[rova77]

im almost willing to listen to well founded complaints about the republican party if it werent for the snotty sarcasm

[QuartuvLarry]

you think a thing shouldn't be refined from its original form? Wake up, dude! How do you get followers? By adding their interests to your own! I'm STILL for Ron Paul! Sure, I have to swallow my pride about certain things, but you can't ignore foreign policy! You just CAN'T!

We're not in Afghanistan for a bunch of stupid-ass pipelines! We're there because if we lose Afghanistan, the taliban will seize nuclear Pakistan!

NUCLEAR! GODDAMN! PAKISTAN!!!

You can bet it's pretty important.

[levybh]

I'm not crazy about Ron Paul, but I hate republicans, so . . . FIVE STARS!

[QuartuvLarry]

Former republican, but no hate for them in perpetuity.

Third Party! Even the geniuses at the Trends Research Institute predicted this!

[DrAcetylcholine]

Excellent, excellent video.

Ignore the barrage of idiotic comments.

It's amazing how many logical fallacies are perpetuated on a daily basis, while clueless saps eat it up.

Look forward to more videos.

[AmericanFreeBird]

David, Thank you for the graphic of the Obama inauguration. If that was 1.2 million people then the crowd size (I was there) was about the same. Filled the same amount of space as as the inaugural crowd minus the chairs so I figure the crowd was a bit larger but I'll settle on the estimate of 1.2 million. I did notice that you offered no airial photos of the 9/12 crowd to compare to the other events.

[davids2244]

I am glad you have an opinion, and are cynical to government. Now look at both sides, of all the issues. By the way how come you showed no pictures of the 912 crowd? Hmm.. You are at least thinking and I agree with the issues on the first few minutes. But do disagree with the tea party

[FanofB20]

I was there. Were there 2 million? No, way too high. Were there 60,000? No, way to low. High, hundred thousands? Yes.

[Drowsong]

When looking at a big crowd, It's very hard to tell if it's 60,000 or 120,000 or 240,000.

So....did you count or something?

[DrAcetylcholine]

No, he used comparisons.

[Drowsong]

DrAce,

When asking the "Did he count" question, I was asking FanofB20, not the poster of the video.

For some reason Youtube is being silly about reply's, and making it look like I added a general comment on the video; when in fact, I was responding to another comment.

Sorry about the confusion.

[rebelfire77]

So sad, another Obama minion doing his master's bidding. I was at the Rally and I will forever know I was a part of history.

Maybe this poor little sycophant will mature into a full fledged Communist some day.

[DrAcetylcholine]

So sad, another clueless Republican troll who thinks he has influence in the world. Yes, it will be forever remembered that you were part of the crowd who compares Obama to Hitler and rants and raves over birth certificates.

You should spend a little more time reading and thinking for yourself as opposed to trashing intelligent videos on youtube. Moron.

[EventsInformation]

Son, come back and see me in about 10 years. You'll beg me to bury this video.

[DrAcetylcholine]

Son, why don't you learn that not all of us are destined to be conservative morons? Don't worry, this simple comment convinces me that you are with the right party. You must have many kindred spirits in your trailer park.

[philtymps]

you're too young to know how silly you sounded in that video. get a clue hack. when you have a family to support, you'll change your views over night.

[lancetb]

When Conservatives regain control of our government, we need to push for an Amendment to the Constitution that repeals the vote of people who receive more aid from the government than they pay in taxes. I'm getting sick of sanctimonious thieves, who bleed taxpayers dry and then lecture us about how they think our money needs to be spent. Regardless, I went to the march in DC and the number of people was awe inspiring - there were definitely 1.5 to 2.0 million people there.

[AJBonkoski]

GREAT VID!!! - the nation needs to see this vid but unfortunately most wont

[nightmathzombieethan]

So sad that these people have been "Muddying the water" for so long, and so many people have been buying it. Some days I feel like I'm surrounded by Nazis... Uber-Nationalism and mindless acceptance of false facts fed from Fox and Friends! (Yay alliteration)

Don't ask questions or think for yourself! That's Un-American!

[hotfudgemoney]

@nightmathzombieethan With comments like that, I hope you don't support Obama, friend.

[nightmathzombieethan]

@hotfudgemoney You lost me... My statement was in regards to growing neoconservatism in this country, which seems to combine blind patriotism with an uninformed and reactionary/xenophobic public. This is encouraged by propaganda networks (1 in particular) masquerading as a "news source". This is very much akin to the beginnings of Nazism.

[nightmathzombieethan]

@nightmathzombieethan As for Obama, I don't like everything he's done, and despite his best intentions I understand that he still has to "Play-ball" with some corporate interests, especially since THEY are the ones that actually run this country.

[nomed44]

i want to say 500 thousand

my guess

[FreeAgain2]

Stop smoking so much pot.

DC metro reports ~800,000 total riders on 912. That is about 300,000 more then a normal Summer Saturday.

Add 500 or so buses, countless caravans (likely twice Metro riders), and you do get high numbers - add it up yourself.

[Thedayrecker]

....reporters maybe? From newspapers around the country and maybe news station reporters too. Not just around the country, possibly from around the world. Then there are people who love a good riot police showdown and saw potential maybe?

[hergs]

Brilliantly detailed (albeit rambling) analysis, hahah.

The Big Lie: a lie so colossal that no one would believe that someone could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.

-Adolf Hitler

[samOFblorx]

Lately I've been questioning my liberal views about the role of government. I'm not a crazy teabagger, but I'm starting to have my doubts about a large government.

[uberjim83]

Ron Paul just says whatever he finds to be the most controversial politically. He's not consistent or honest, and he attacks people for shock value, not out of any personal ethic.

[hellsunicorn]

This is, without a doubt, the dumbest thing I've ever read in my life. I hope you don't breed.

[BrianJunglist]

beat at the end was sick man, loved it

[BrianJunglist]

btw i dunno why but your video made me think of the movie trainspotting...

i think its the song...

i need to buy a toaster

[BrianJunglist]

nice to see you friend.

[th3juggla]

"protecting texas from vietnamese insurgents"

LOL

[curlyq101]

Yeah I hate Ron Paul... I find him distracted.

[argyle684]

Right wing, left wing

Republican, Democrat

Fox news, MSNBC

It's all bullshit intended to trap retards into playing their game and filling their pockets.

[loyesj]

nerf faux news

[DavidThePatriot]

I echo your thoughts for the most part. I only like Ron Paul republicans, and being a campaign for liberty member, know that we started the tea parties and want to throw up when I see Hannity get credit. I still oppose universal healthcare ias a government program, but advocate Rand Paul's approach of exempting Doctors for treating patients without health ins, or pre-existing conditions in the amount of the service provided on their income tax. Free market universal health care is possible.

[michamus]

Republicans and Democrats are like a two man lumber saw.

People in support of the right point out the damage the left does, and people in support of the left point out the damage the right does.

Neither really gets that both are working in succession for maximum efficiency.

[rannday5]

"Why would you tell such a giant lie." Why would Obama? Fox News, by the way, is the only non-bias station at the moment.

[chrispollock]

wow. to quote southpark "are you high or just really really stupid?"  fox news is the bastion of extreme right wing viewpoints, end of story

[hellsunicorn]

Not to sound like I'm defending Fox News, aka the softcore porn channel disguised as a news station, but there is nothing extreme right wing about that network. Until I heard calls for us to kill all the sodomites, bring the bible back into school, and so on, it's not extreme right.

Next time, just state something truthful like Fox News spins their information to influence viewpoints. Albeit this is precisely what every corporate news station does.

[Bleatmop]

"It's about shock and many times misrepresentation of the facts"

I'm confused, are you suggesting that MSNBC does this as well? I'd love to see the clips. Last time I checked, it was them that were dedicated to pointing out Fox's bullshit. Or perhaps I am misunderstanding you?

[robman419]

7:11, do you remember how "they simply built up Bush's non-existent war veteran record?"

[henrythesteinberg]

Everything you mentioned about Ron Paul, save the bit about second amendment, was supported by Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich and Ralph Nader. They also didn't support getting rid of the minimum wage, social security, and 100 different workplace regulations that workers fought, died and starved over for decades and decades, unlike Ron Paul.

[chrispollock]

my problem with ron paul is only that he won't give the sacred right of universal healthcare to the citizens of this democracy. a govt by the people should support the well being of the people, hence, healthcare should be freely given. other than that, ron pauls views on those other things are spot on

[hellsunicorn]

hmmm, I might not be off based in assuming you to be a religious kook with all of this talk about sacred rights. Ever heard of the separation of church and state you twat.

[PhaTboyBLIIM]

i could listen to you talk for days, keep it up.

[hellsunicorn]

The primary problem with Glenn Beck and the MSM is that they convince people that their knockoffs are the real thing while the real thing is still going on.

I can understand hating on Glenn Beck, Fox News, and the like. But a lot of these Neo-Cons that show up at these rallies end up getting booed.

As to the numbers at the protest on 9/12, I wasn't there so I can't speak to that, except to say that all three of these numbers are probably wrong.

[chrispollock]

another propaganda tactic is to say maybe all three numbers are wrong, lets move on to another topic and not address how glenn beck exaggerated the number

[hellsunicorn]

A person with Barack Obama's channel on his friend list is in no position to lecture anyone on any topic with regards to propaganda, you are subject to it every time you stare in wonder at your tin messiah.

And for the record, I've have not had a single good thing to say about Glenn Beck since I've been on youtube. Do some research before making dumb ass comments.

[uberjim83]

Every piece of media designed to try to convince someone to change their mind about something is propaganda. That includes your comment, and this one.

[hellsunicorn]

There is both a standard definition and a derogatory interpretation of the term propaganda. It may be difficult to discern the difference between the two on the internet where no tone of voice can be used to differentiate the two, but I assure you I would not have bothered making a statement as emphatic as the one I just made if it were solely to be like any other media outlet.

Nonetheless, your post ranks high in the platitude category. Maybe you should run for congress.

[uberjim83]

Hahaha, that'd be nice. Unfortunately I'm too anti-gun control to run on a liberal ticket, and I'm not anti-poor people enough to run on a conservative one.

[Neeboopsh]

meh. ron paul has some nice points on his platform but his views on faith-based-initiatives and state-church relations are things i do not support

[PotheadPundit]

Agreed. It was just mainly on the really big issues I agreed with him. I think the only man I could actually vote for in good conscious would be a reanimated version of Bill Hicks ;)

[Neeboopsh]

Bernie Sanders should run :P

[chyrd]

the very reason I would NOT have voted for him...