Thor VS Immortal

[AcePrinceLwl]

Thor was a spartan

[RenAkreyuMitsukai]

@AcePrinceLwl D: i wana try playin dat!~

[TheStarcraftelites]

Check out mine video 1 thor vs 1 immortal and you will see who win

[xDraedon]

@TheStarcraftelites Or we could just watch this video..?

[startingsprinter]

tier 2 > tier 3

[neozxa]

@startingsprinter Tier 2 unit that hard counters a certain tier 3 unit > that certain tier 3 unit.

Just saying. And btw you don't even need Immortals vs Thors, just use chargelots.

[meaturama]

Thors are fucking shit in tvp

[MrCakewasalie]

@meaturama lol thors rape any gateway units

[Tsukishikomi]

@MrCakewasalie

I counter thors with zealots

[frosecold]

now what? you will tell me the secret of microing marauders agains zealots? pff noob

[T810G]

terran is op

[TheApocalypseKitty]

Yep thors op soo op that it's in killable (not sarcasm)

[themacattack671]

@TheApocalypseKitty you have no idea what your taking about

[warior531]

Everything counters a Ultar...

[MrNotcody]

@warior531 zerglings good counter unit

[RPrichiman]

Wait, that was before blizzard increased the attack speed of the thor. Test it now to see what happens.

[noobenstein]

thor OP.

[OfficialLetsPlayer]

@noobenstein they are not op. for toss just build immortals. terran just some tanks. and as zerg borrowed roaches or some cracklings

[makuta12]

To everyone saying this is fake, it isn't. It's just outdated. If you look at the time this was posted it is now about 1 and a half years ago where ultras did less vs armored.

[Bdakkon]

Um terran just uses EMP and MMM thats auto win vs any protoss composition. (or at least extremely effective) Why would you go thor its a different tech path and its less effective vs toss than marauders.

[doganaktas]

@Bdakkon I dont see any reason except for mass mutalisk( my choice is seeker missile any day). Thor is Goliath on steroids, looks better but cant really fight.

[Bdakkon]

@doganaktas This is a TvP example of how to deal with Immortals (least that was what I guessed off this video) but Marines are far more effective and they are your first unit. Even late game they are more effective than a thor would be vs Immortal.

[emikochan13]

I hope you do these for the HotS beta too :D

[TheETFftw]

Thor is guna be an Uber unit in HotS

[WoWfan924]

@Fall4Kingdom immortals as shown in this vid?..lings with surround, brood lords, zealots with surround, void rays, carrier, BC, and perhaps maybe marauders..

[WoWfan924]

the scene with thor vs ultra is fucking bullshit.. ultras does way WAAY MORE dmg to thors than that...

[WoWfan924]

@LotOGoodStuff are u fucking kidding me? thors has the highest singletarget dps in game vs ground units! (beside bc and carrier but screw them) and also longest ranged unit vs ant air units with splash.. how can u consider them useless and needs a buff?

[catagon12345]

@LotOGoodStuff thor gonna cost 600 minerals

[Scurtzy]

@LotOGoodStuff They do have splash.....

[chaklong]

@LotOGoodStuff

Heart of the Swarm tweaks Thor.

[DestinLegends]

Good stuff only not really aplicable now days. However yes, Thors do even now need to be used more often :D What ever happend to those epic Thor drops?

[MrManofgondor]

and the moral of the story is immortal=OP

[balgus22]

For the money - mass lings can take out a Thor. Therefore Lings are OP and can win the game, so no other units are needed.

[LuyenDarkness]

@balgus22 Mass lings lose against a handful of collosi or micro'd helions

[balgus22]

@LuyenDarkness i guess sarcasm is lost without the smilee or 0.o

[LuyenDarkness]

@balgus22 Well you want op, go marines

[Legyonaru90]

Spell damage?I'm sorry to say, but your making big confusion between science and magic, this is Starcraft, not Warcraft, everything has a scientifical explination, I hate when people use the term spell in Starcraft, because it's not the proper word for this game.

[LuyenDarkness]

@Legyonaru90 People consider it spell damage because "Science" damage sounds rather dumb

[Legyonaru90]

@Legyonaru90

Still, it's not the corect word for it, but there are many thing that are not right in the game and I'm not refering to the gameplay itself, just some small details, many people don't know some very interesting facts, such as:the Archon was part of an ancient greek council, there were 12 Archons or that the Protoss are organised like the romans and greeks, something between those 2.

[blackjoker205]

thor op

[icodanaheim]

it doesnt do less damage per attack, it does 50 vs armored

[336forlife]

or you could blink.

[TeamPlasmaSC]

I remember a looong time ago, I tried mass immortals against mass colossi and lost

[aierce]

@TeamPlasmaSC enmass, units with higher range and less importantly, smaller unit sizes win

[TheBloopbloopization]

terran op

[Banelingsoup]

@TheBloopbloopization

yes they are

[kiomio10]

okay I will use thor more often, sadly I play Zerg :D

[Dantick09]

u forgot that the thor s ability is also aoe stun

[Emaiahs]

@Dantick09 It's not.

[Dantick09]

@Emaiahs it is, the life of the thor doesn t change while he is casting but the imortal still alive. this just doesn t work on ultralisks cause they have frenzy

[Emaiahs]

@Dantick09 It's a stun. It's not an AoE stun.

[smurfeh82]

@Dantick09 Only in the single player if you get an upgrade for it... In regular multiplayer neither the dmg nor the stun is AoE.

[immortalbio]

this guy sounds like a fucking fag, "this is starcraftscientist" like this is hard to find out, retard

[TacoHumanoid]

Cool story, bro.

[basher481]

@ExplosionFlamestrike u realize that it comes out to 60 damage for the thor since it counts as 2 attacks

[MartianZombie51]

Immortals.....let's put their name to the test.

[bonehead156]

are you like reading off a script or something?

[MoonliteMemory]

Can HTs use feedback on Thors?

[ttitanb]

@MoonliteMemory yep even on orbital commands and nexuses

[MoonliteMemory]

so... what counters thors and emp's? :(

[MrHoyt97]

feedback ftw

[girwillkillyou]

@Fall4Kingdom chuck norris.

[TableTennis1231]

@Fall4Kingdom zerglings, high templars supported by zlots, mass immortals (they cost less), roach with burrow, marauders, tanks. Etc.

[Bennetting]

@19Thrasher92 hahaha

[btiny101]

@Fall4Kingdom lots and lots of Lings xD but dont try it if you see Siege Tanks bye the Terran player.....hell shred you to Pieces * Just stand out there.....all the way out there * BAM * hehehe you dead

[epicfail86]

@Fall4Kingdom

Immortals...?

[IzzySpint]

Ultralisks are actually pretty good against colossi and they're large units.

[DBTFxC]

since when do ultralisks have lightsaber choppers? :S

[weirdman338]

Damn Immortal you scary!

[Starrystarcraft]

techinically, nothing is good agianst them cus they're immortal

[kozwoS]

@Starrystarcraft zerglings can beat them easy .__.

[callummcintyre]

@kozwoS zerglings cant attack air though

[Legyonaru90]

Spell damage?Man I'm sorry to say but, this is NOT Warcraft!You can't use the word spell in Starcraft, we're talking about pure technology, like Artanis said, THIS IS NOT WARCRAFT IN SPACE!

[Guerrilla705]

thors have the highest dps in the game by FAR

[Linkfanoftheyear]

@Guerrilla705 not cost effectively they dont, and neitehr do they if you count splash damage to clumped up units. also the voidray has a higher dps when charged than the thor by FAR

[Roblinify]

@Guerrilla705 theoretically, the snipe ability have higher dps than the barrage, since the snipe do 45 damage almost instantly, 1 ghost can fire at least 2 or 3 snipes by itself within a second, thus having a dps of more than 135.

also, per cost the missile turret vs light is actually the most efficient in the game, since it only costs 75 minerals and has a ridicoulous dps.

[KyvannShrike]

Don't use the thor more often. Us zerg players hate thors.

[TheTitanGod]

this is old. ultras are now wayyy better than thors. and 1 ultra can kill a thor.

[Legyonaru90]

@TheTitanGod

Yeah but Thors can also atack air units and they have a ranged attack and also they'r special 250mm canon ability, think again before saing that a unit is better than another, this is an RTS game, it means team work between units.

[ReBeLiLiLiLioN]

@TheTitanGod You can't deside a unit is better than other because it owns other.

Thor have anti air and a skill

[oddbodx]

@TheTitanGod half true - depending on which way you look at it. 1 on 1 an Ultra will JUST kill a Thor, but with hardly any hp remaining (assuming even upgrades). So yes, an ultra can kill a Thor but they're not wayyy better, and when you have higher numbers of each, Thors at the back can shoot while ultras have to be in melee range. Ultras also take more supply of course, so if you want to build to counter Thors, do the smart thing and build lings / neural parasite :)

[RFT15ify]

@TheTitanGod It sucks because Terran always gets nerfed bullshit

[RogerabbitGosu]

@TheTitanGod

Yeah but it doesnt change how bad ultras are really, as Destiny said "I only make Ultras when I am far ahead and really want to lose"

[TheTitanGod]

@RogerabbitGosu Idra relies on ultras to win late game, so does many other zerg. Destiny is just one.

[RogerabbitGosu]

@TheTitanGod

Idra normally relies on brood lords in all matchups. July likes to use ultras, and he rarely wins lategame

[pajen37]

Air units also woks agenst immortal

[7EliteCHEESE7]

@pajen37 Yeah but if the protoss player wasn't retarted and actually scouted he wouldn't have built immortals in the first place.

[pieeatersguilds]

this is obvious use the op spell kill immortals 

[LittlePokeDigi]

It is very rare for a terran player to research that Thor's ability

[TEAMxACIDx]

ummm... use the HTs to feedback the Thor's energy - taking away half their hit points (if they had full energy) and also rendering them completely useless against immortals.

... use just got learned....

check out my channel.

[romanphoenix999]

@TEAMxACIDx who would do that? And when would they have full energy?

[MMBNM]

its because thors suck even when upgraded

like my friend maxed out thors and the enemy maxed out marines they were both at max food the thors lost jeez i wish they would let us use gladiators er whatever they're called

[siegetank55]

at least that cannon haas some use

[nejtilsvampe]

pfft.. 250mm canon is way to expensive.. build marines ...

[TenMallak]

@nejtilsvampe Fortunately, most terran players prefere marine blobs :)

[MsMiker1]

@nejtilsvampe and then 2 colossi come and say : "GG"

[PhazonOmega]

Very helpful.

Whoever gets the first shot off (Thor or Immortal) will win; but knowing that the Thor's special cannon penetrates the Hardened Shields of the Immortals is very useful. With this, repairs are also not nearly as necessary.

[Keep701]

God I hate Thors. Thankfully the Strike Cannon was nerfed to 150 energy requirement. Now I can just grab Templar to deal with them.

[JavelinMagic]

@19Thrasher92 what does that mean? restores hit points?

[BeatPeet]

@JavelinMagic

Idk, I think he's crazy.

[StatueJ]

@JavelinMagic Hit points are health so basically to restore health is to heal.

[JavelinMagic]

@StatueJ yeah, I guess his english is just not very good

[Lolmaster1992]

are u kidding me? 1 ultra can beat 1 thor?! O.o that dosent seem right, did the ultra sucked when this vid was uploaded?

[elusuario989]

@Lolmaster1992 Ultra? WTF r u talking about?

[Lolmaster1992]

@elusuario989 1:10-1:20?, i mean srsly ultras actully counter thors cuz when i did this myself ultras won with like 30 hp or so and thor even got 1 or 2 shots first, and here? a ultra lost against thor and the thor had 60% hp left and a full hped ultra only took him to 10%?? i mean WTF!? and the thor wasnt even upgradded... i totally dont understand so this video has to be old and ultras was the worst unit in game back then,,,,

[nicolibri]

@Lolmaster1992 this video is more than a year old...

[tposk]

it wad funny when he said penetrate.

[DarkDain]

@tposk poop

[Atarien6]

@19Thrasher92 genious.

[TheTankMyster]

I heard that there are to many people who like to waste time making videos that are pointless. -_-

[Zir3ne]

I heard if you stop breathing you will die

[DamnedUsernameThing]

@Zir3ne Except, that's not true :P You just faint, and your brain automatically tells you to breathe... Unless you're in a place with no air of course .-.

[Dhalphir]

@Zir3ne did you bother checking the date the video was made before opening your idiot mouth? it was useful information then.

[Zir3ne]

@Dhalphir People enjoyed it

[Dhalphir]

@Zir3ne

Because they are as silly and lacking in humour as you are.

[Onfire757]

therefore, thors have no counter

[l4l01234]

@Onfire757 mothership

[tubeyouwatcher21]

This is outdated

[WeMakeMusic09]

so thors counter all, IMBA IMBA! someone make a voidray >.>

[nintendonerd82]

just go banshee and kill 5000 immortals

[kleash]

Old, this was made during the beta. Make an updated version where thor DOES kill an immortal in 1v1 and stop misinforming people.

[test18258]

@kleash this video was made over a year ago. read description and release date before commenting.

[kleash]

@test18258

No shit sherlock.

[Panther00700]

@SplitFireStarcraft right yeh... so roaches lose 6 damage, planetary fortress loses 30... void ray goes down by 14 or so? stalker loses its bonus damage. You realise what you just said made absolutely zip sense, right?

[KingTobiazZz]

@Panther00700 No, he means that all attacks versus the immortal should do no more than 10 damage. Which also makes no sense because they would survive nukes >.>

[membrillomen]

:O Thors are Immortals !! XD

[Xv7RaVeN7vX]

@19Thrasher92 LOL harsh..

[pedobearishot]

Immortal does more damage to thors

[1poptart36]

@19Thrasher92 NO WAY! :O

[Szeicheng]

/watch?v=bU2G_sF553A

14:00 ThorZaIN had won anyway, but shows how quickly Thors can annihilate Immortals.

[laharl69cirno]

this is copied word for word from husky...

[Quy4life]

GOLIATH ONLINE!

[TheMortifikator]

what a noob scientist.....learn to read dude...immortal does bigger dmg to armored units...20 is vs light and if i remember right it does 50 (withiout ups) to armored....it would take a year to take down a thor with 20 -> thor would win that....but since its 50 it it takes only 8 shots to take him down....at least you knew about hardened shields :D

[Bundesheerler19]

@TheMortifikator a thor does 30 x 2 damage -> 60 damage. 60 is bigger than 50

[comicsteam]

thor does 10x2 / 1.28 ---> 15.625dps to immortal with hardened shield

while immortal does 50 / 1.45 ---> 34.48dps to armored unit, which is a double

thats why immortal is badass =)

[eduardomyugi]

Ultralik's like:"it is my turn already"?

[Gunner3210]

david vs goliath.

[DeeWeext]

comparing units that have veeery different cost and req. to get to ? errr... +´the cannon is a special attack you can do twice in a battle if your lucky.

[massdestruction97]

@19Thrasher92 Hey, I also heard immortals cost less than thors.

[netulv]

@massdestruction97 Vikings cost less then Colosies but they are still the hard Counter...

Unit Cost doesn't mean that they are better then other units per say, they usally got more HP / armoy and damage yes...but every unit has some kind of Counter, and that count doesn't have to be the same cost

Immortal are a hard counter to everything that does more then 10 physical damage, per hit

as long as its shields remaindes untoched by fx EMP

[massdestruction97]

@netulv Nope, u got me wrong, I wanted to say repair is patched now and is not so powerful as before, haven't said anything about the units cost. That even with repair thors become scrap vs immortals.

[GsBBoyDan]

@19Thrasher92 That's because mass repair is overpowered.

[massdestruction97]

@GsBBoyDan Theres no cure for terran hate... However, you can watch the last blizzcon statistics that protoss has 56% winrate vs terran. This is known to significantly reduce the symptoms, which include trolls and spamming across the whole youtube. Try it! It works pretty well! ;)

[GsBBoyDan]

@massdestruction97 I didnt say terran is over powered, I said mass repair is. But to be fair, I play random, and I do think all the races have something specific that is overpowered, this still disrupts balance because it's not racial balance, it's situational balance.

[STARCRAFT2OWNER]

ultras are underpowerd lol

[JpeltakaCyberBeast]

@STARCRAFT2OWNER true the only thing theyre good for is killing roaches without hydras lol... well if the other player is good with roaches he can kite the ultras

[potthead04]

this is ground breaking stuff!! who knew 250mm cannon fucked shit up?

[maSSmarineSs]

Mass Marines is the best tactic

[shutout951]

you forgot to equalize supply. immortal would still win

[RPBiohazard]

shit, does this still work, or did they remove this in the current one?

[noobrages]

wtf thor cant beat an ultra :P

[AznPr1des]

im so confused. did blizzard do something recently? cuz now thors can beat immortals 1on1 now....

[richard2mitchell]

so to sum it up MASS THORS lol

[RoflLmfaoPower]

Penetrate.

Their.

Shields.

[plaguuu]

Thor's actually beat immortals straight up if you account for the thor's range.

[Sapphronful]

sweet channel man

[stretch90]

how come in mrhellboy1665's video the ultra takes down the thor 1 on 1, but in this video the thor (which is already damaged) manages to take out the ultra?

[ShellShock794]

@stretch90 I think this Ultra was not upgraded at all

[kleash]

This is outdated by the way. Thor now kills immortal in 1v1.

[Vain11dan]

Doesn't anyone else think it's illogical to have the thor's 250mm cannon kills immortals? It was my understanding that immortals were meant to countered thor's but they are incredibly useless against thors and in the end they don't even do that well against Marauders because marauders get the stim speed. Immortal is an awsome unit idea, but the overpowered Terran units immortals are supposed to counter kill them. Immortals excel at killing tanks, Vikings and hellions. But so do stalkers (except

[Vain11dan]

Doesn't anyone else think it's illogical to have the thor's 250mm cannon kills immortals? It was my understanding that immortals were meant to countered thor's but they are incredibly useless against thors and in the end they don't even do that well against Marauders because marauders get the stim speed. Immortal is an awsome unit idea, but the overpowered Terran units immortals are supposed to counter kill them. Immortals excel at killing tanks, Vikings and hellions. But so do stalkers (except

[beyondnoob737]

just nuke it.

[templarknight456]

@beyondnoob737 when it doubt nuke it out

[ny1fanta]

i miss-clicked the unit target, i used the 250mm on a zerglin instead of a ultralisk... fml

[Squirtle771]

Thor is a great unit



[Squirtle771]

Thor is a great unit

[TheFlowrider7]

but the Thor lost this move didn't it?

[PanzerCoronae]

@TheFlowrider7 Nope. What Blizzard did was to remove the energy bar for it. The strike 250 mm Strike Cannon ability just requires it to be researched and a 50 second cool down between uses, allowing it to have no fear from Ghost EMP rounds or High Templar Feedback.

[shadowmurderer312]

zerg first 2 mins is imba if they 6 pool, i scout it i feel like theres nothing i can do...

[HanluSun]

See? And then the stun?

[eyallev]

use the thor, and may the thor be with you.

[ProtossManic]

that's queer if the thor special ability stuns shudnt it do LESS damage?

[starcraft321able]

so much for the awsome immortals;(

[alfok]

sweet 250 mm stun