there is a deff in a 556 and a 223 The military 5.56mm ammo is loaded to a higher pressure. This in a rifle chambered for a 223 rem would cause an over pressure event and COULD cause a failure of the rifle.
i love working for the NRA. i get a tone of hours and get to meet a lot of cool people. can't wait till this June to go back to work and set up the pistol range. i will be my third year in 09.
not really military has changed the seating depth and bullet contour and increased pressure of load,so that rifles firing 556 require a longer leade cut in the chamber for safety.
toddm-SAAMI issued a warning in 1979 that military chambers are cut differently,and that military ball may result in high pressure in sporting rifles.I use military surplus in my mini 14 all the time with no problem,but the warnings are out there,and there may be a rifle with very tight chamber demensions that would have a problem.
@toddm160th If it says both 5.56 and .223 on the box then it is a non-ordenance plant manufacture of 5.56. It is made to the same specifications as 5.56 NATO M193 Ball. It would be very unwise to use this in a rifle only rated for .223 Remington. The M193 produces 20K PSI more chamber pressure than .223 Remington. This can and has resulted in undesirable results to the shooter and weapon.
I love how they cheat during the practice match demo. The pullers in the pits just poke holes in the targets. Their groupings during the real match are never as good as the dessert-plate groups they get in the practice match.
But yeah, this was always by far the most fun match to shoot. You wait and practice the whole year for it and it's over in an hour.
This is actually not fired from 600 yeards. Prone rapid fire is fired from the 300 yeard line. Prone slow fire is fired from the 600 yeard firing line. Offhand (standing) and sitting rapid fire are fired from the 200 yard line.
What you say is correct for normal HP matches - this is however the Infantry Team Match (The Rattle Battle)and is shot at the National Matches.
The match starts prone at 600yd with a 50 sec exposure of 8 targets for 6 riflemen, and then proceeds to 500yds (same again), and then 300 yds sitting and 200yds standing.
Great fun and a great finish to a week of National Matches at Camp Perry!
Oh, my bad. Is the Rattle Battle a new match? I don't remember hearing of it before.. I was in Perry in 1999.. I was shooting next to a couple of guys from the Army team... damn were they good. They seem to always "clean" the 300 yard rapid fire pretty easily.
@crchrdsn how are you going to tell the uploader that they don't know what they are talking about? You have never shot competition before or you would know to shut the fuck up.
Well, I was mistaken snorty. I have shot competition before and have been to Camp Perry, although many years ago. I have shot smallbore as well as NRA Highpower. I also had the privilege of shooting with a coach and mentor for many years who was a team member on the US Palma Team.
i can't remember his name..farr or something, but there is a trophy named after him for shooting 71 straight bullseyes at camp perry on a 1000 yard shoot using the Springfield 1903. by the way, just in case any dummies were wondering, this was a long time ago and no, i did not mean 100 yards. i saw this recently on the history channel
there is a deff in a 556 and a 223 The military 5.56mm ammo is loaded to a higher pressure. This in a rifle chambered for a 223 rem would cause an over pressure event and COULD cause a failure of the rifle.
tschweitzer1 9 months ago
i love working for the NRA. i get a tone of hours and get to meet a lot of cool people. can't wait till this June to go back to work and set up the pistol range. i will be my third year in 09.
elftmannxb 3 years ago
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SirGlockALott 3 years ago
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SirGlockALott 2 years ago
Yep 600 yars and iron sight... they do it at 1000... and iron sights and a 223. or realy a 5.56 yes their is a differance.
The Shot groups by any shooter at the 300 rapid shout allways be cleained. Or a possible as we called them.
If you can not shoot a Possible at the 300 and soo with onley a 2 point drop at each one of the other yard lines then you wont wine.
Most of the shooting is a match is done from 200yd's to 1000yd's Iron sight.
henjared 3 years ago
.223 is the english measurement. 5.56x45 is the metric measurement. Its the same bullet, though.
toddm160th 3 years ago
not really military has changed the seating depth and bullet contour and increased pressure of load,so that rifles firing 556 require a longer leade cut in the chamber for safety.
m1garand1959 3 years ago
the base rounds are identical, its the same difference as celsuis or degrees. they both say the same thing, just different ways
toddm160th 3 years ago
thats why ammo boxes (for civilians) say 5.56x45 and below it .223
toddm160th 3 years ago
toddm-SAAMI issued a warning in 1979 that military chambers are cut differently,and that military ball may result in high pressure in sporting rifles.I use military surplus in my mini 14 all the time with no problem,but the warnings are out there,and there may be a rifle with very tight chamber demensions that would have a problem.
m1garand1959 3 years ago
thats probably what it is. all im saying is that my boxes of ammo, remmington .223 55 grain FMJs, have .223 and 5.56 on the box.
toddm160th 3 years ago
@toddm160th If it says both 5.56 and .223 on the box then it is a non-ordenance plant manufacture of 5.56. It is made to the same specifications as 5.56 NATO M193 Ball. It would be very unwise to use this in a rifle only rated for .223 Remington. The M193 produces 20K PSI more chamber pressure than .223 Remington. This can and has resulted in undesirable results to the shooter and weapon.
Robbob9933 5 months ago
I love how they cheat during the practice match demo. The pullers in the pits just poke holes in the targets. Their groupings during the real match are never as good as the dessert-plate groups they get in the practice match.
But yeah, this was always by far the most fun match to shoot. You wait and practice the whole year for it and it's over in an hour.
fresnel149 3 years ago
This is actually not fired from 600 yeards. Prone rapid fire is fired from the 300 yeard line. Prone slow fire is fired from the 600 yeard firing line. Offhand (standing) and sitting rapid fire are fired from the 200 yard line.
crchrdsn 4 years ago
What you say is correct for normal HP matches - this is however the Infantry Team Match (The Rattle Battle)and is shot at the National Matches.
The match starts prone at 600yd with a 50 sec exposure of 8 targets for 6 riflemen, and then proceeds to 500yds (same again), and then 300 yds sitting and 200yds standing.
Great fun and a great finish to a week of National Matches at Camp Perry!
aubreysonnenberg 4 years ago
Oh, my bad. Is the Rattle Battle a new match? I don't remember hearing of it before.. I was in Perry in 1999.. I was shooting next to a couple of guys from the Army team... damn were they good. They seem to always "clean" the 300 yard rapid fire pretty easily.
crchrdsn 4 years ago
@crchrdsn how are you going to tell the uploader that they don't know what they are talking about? You have never shot competition before or you would know to shut the fuck up.
norty29 1 week ago
@norty29
Well, I was mistaken snorty. I have shot competition before and have been to Camp Perry, although many years ago. I have shot smallbore as well as NRA Highpower. I also had the privilege of shooting with a coach and mentor for many years who was a team member on the US Palma Team.
crchrdsn 1 week ago
i can't remember his name..farr or something, but there is a trophy named after him for shooting 71 straight bullseyes at camp perry on a 1000 yard shoot using the Springfield 1903. by the way, just in case any dummies were wondering, this was a long time ago and no, i did not mean 100 yards. i saw this recently on the history channel
will27804 4 years ago
600 yards with iron sights.... and a .223 round!
F1Fanatic 4 years ago
So this is the Marine Corps' Rifle Team. Ooorraahhhh!
chuckshissle 4 years ago