@OceanbornSWT Chopin's Op. 10 came before Alkan's Op. 31. But Raymond Lewenthal says that "tune-tracing" and comparing melodies to say so-and-so ripped so-and-so isn't totally fair, and I guess after thinking a bit more about it, it makes sense. Check his lecture out on YouTube! It's amazing.
When you see the score you think it looks possible but the fingering is a nightmare - and that's at half speed - just on the first page. 99.999% can forget it. Actually I'd like to hear someone else give it a go? Any takers with a camera? Your prize will be $5,000 without mistakes at this speed.
Can I warn anyone thinking of giving this a go, it is still a formidable piece even slowed down.
If you're not a concert performer, you won't be used to tucking your 4th finger inside your fifth or jumping 12ths at speed. You will need both here. If Grade 8 was a blue ski run, this is a black double diamond.
@OrangeSodaKing Yer youre right, there was a couple of videos posted a while back of someone who'd discovered similarities between Chopin pieces and Alkans, this instance was one. However the videos are no longer on youtube sadly.
From the first second of this I thought of Chopin 10 no 4. Ive never heard any of Alkan's music before, but if this is just a prelude, I hate to imagine the probable difficulty of any of his etudes.
you must research his compositions, even here on y/t - look up his etude "the knight" and hamelin playing the allegro barbaresco. there is genius throughout all his works.
Honestly, I agree. I don't think I've yet found a piece that isn't severely profound once you catch on to the subtleties. It seems like he was some sort of technical and musical Demigod.
I can hear both chopin etude and liszts TE 10 ^^ But it´s really sound good and IF alkan copied a bit I consider him still as a genious to mix the songs toghether and remaking it.
Haha this is only a prelude, kind of incredible O__o
Frankly I can't see the comparison with either the Chopin op10#4 or TE 10. Reminds me more of an amped up version of the last part of Impromtu Op 36 by Chopin. But, like, waayy amped up.
At around 1:00 or so, that little transition is also in the chopin etude, but in a different key. I frankly could care less if he copied chopin. It fits the piece, does it not? Doesn't make Alkan any less a composer in my book.
I would say that it is much harder then Op.10 No.4, and a lot harder (for me) then Liszt TE 10, even though I have no idea why that was brought up, as I can't think of two pieces that are less alike
Chopin and Alkan were close friends and Liszt commented that Alkan's technique was "frightening"
So even if I detect anything that's reminiscent I would think that they probably studied each other works and wrote variations which they made into their style.
haha are you kidding? liszt transcndental 10 is nothing like this... clearly you havent played it. or compared scores. im thinking 10 is probably harder because of the awkwardness of the close proximity of the hands in some of the passages. that is what i found most dificult
I agree that this is little bit like chopin's etude op.10 n.4. But this is just so many times harder. But still amazing piece! Actually alkan and liszt are my favourite composers when you want hardness and beauty.
Hmm. Which part of this piece is something like in Liszt's transcendental etude n. 10? There are video from stienwayz, where are good example how this and chopin's 10 4 are little bit same.
maybe it was just a coincidence, or if it was not and Alkan took just 5 or so bars from Chopin's etude op10 no4, who hasn't borrowed some ideas from other composers into their songs? I know Chopin did it, and Beethoven and Liszt and many others, so its not a surprise to see just 5 or so bars of similarity from the 4th etude.
What was the point in your comment? Of course it's like that, but sometimes it's funny to see where somebody pick his ideas. Or found similarity between pieces.
not really, because he knew his technique was somewhat better than Chopin. He liked his music so we can see that in very few of his pieces. for example a little part of allegretto alla barbaresca is influenced by Chopin's grande polonaise brillante.
Nice playing.
hartistry 1 day ago
Sounds like a midi for sure.
titusbeertsen 4 months ago
@titusbeertsen how can u say this sounds like midi...sounds nothing like it
PY05 4 months ago
@PY05 I mean, it doesn't sound like a human performance right? Way to perfect, even MAH couldn't play like this.
titusbeertsen 4 months ago
@titusbeertsen Nah, he could nail this. I don't think it's nearly as hard as you think it is.
thegreatapologist 3 months ago
Maybe its a midi file?
nicke1126 5 months ago
@nicke1126 I agree. It's too hard to be an anonomous performance.
Jim0734 5 months ago
this sounds like a computer is playing it
ConvergeLyrics 8 months ago
Very similar to Chopin definately... But also I'm wondering who influenced to who or who made this by first time... CHOPIN vs ALKAN :O
OceanbornSWT 11 months ago
@OceanbornSWT Chopin's Op. 10 came before Alkan's Op. 31. But Raymond Lewenthal says that "tune-tracing" and comparing melodies to say so-and-so ripped so-and-so isn't totally fair, and I guess after thinking a bit more about it, it makes sense. Check his lecture out on YouTube! It's amazing.
OrangeSodaKing 10 months ago
Flight of the yellow-jacket.....
mattcabideinchrist 11 months ago
It's annoying when someone uploads a piece but doesn't name the performer.
axdy91 1 year ago 3
@axdy91 Gibbons? I doubt there's mamy people that can record this!
Jim341046 5 months ago
@Jim341046 No, I already have his recordings of Alkan and this prelude is not among them. It's probably some other obscure pianist.
axdy91 5 months ago
what. the. fuck...
0GuitarMax0 1 year ago 4
it reminds me alkan's "Le vent"
palpitamento 1 year ago
When you see the score you think it looks possible but the fingering is a nightmare - and that's at half speed - just on the first page. 99.999% can forget it. Actually I'd like to hear someone else give it a go? Any takers with a camera? Your prize will be $5,000 without mistakes at this speed.
Jim341046 1 year ago
@Jim341046 I'd chip in for the cash prize!
KeithWhalen11 1 year ago
I'm transcribing this for guitar, a lot of the parts have to be chopped down an octave. Don't expect it to be this fast though! Yikes.
KeithWhalen11 2 years ago
@KeithWhalen11 it would be an amazing trumpet solo too..
Jim341046 1 year ago
A bit like Bach this but with turbo and nitrous. Bach is already a Ferrari California but this is a Ducatti wfuwfuwnefunfsfsnodifunsoifn tt
Jim341046 2 years ago 2
chi sta suonando?????who is playing??????
catabavti 2 years ago
spettacolo....impressionante
catabavti 2 years ago
who's playing???
minasgekos 2 years ago
@minasgekos Jack Gibbons I think
Jim341046 1 year ago
@Jim341046 i dont think so. this recording sounds very old.
minasgekos 1 year ago
Can I warn anyone thinking of giving this a go, it is still a formidable piece even slowed down.
If you're not a concert performer, you won't be used to tucking your 4th finger inside your fifth or jumping 12ths at speed. You will need both here. If Grade 8 was a blue ski run, this is a black double diamond.
Jim341046 2 years ago
This destroys flight of the bumblebee! I have always wondered why Alkan is not as popular as the other well-known pianist/composers. This is great!
nihilus58 2 years ago 3
Well said. I can play the simple version of Flight of the Bumble Bee. This is a thousand times harder
Jim341046 2 years ago
It might be the fact that his music is so hard. But I agree he should be much more popular than he is.
TheResidentevilfan92 2 years ago
I'm living and breathing Alkan at the moment.
Jim341046 2 years ago
The ending is very very similar to Chopin Etude Op. 10 No. 4.
OrangeSodaKing 2 years ago
@OrangeSodaKing at 0:58-1:05 it is
StarWarseu 1 year ago
@StarWarseu Oh my, 0:58-1:05 is VERY similar to Chopin's etude Op. 10 No. 4. The ending is structured the same as Chopin's etude.
OrangeSodaKing 1 year ago
@OrangeSodaKing Yer youre right, there was a couple of videos posted a while back of someone who'd discovered similarities between Chopin pieces and Alkans, this instance was one. However the videos are no longer on youtube sadly.
StarWarseu 1 year ago
I found a free score for this in Wiki I think but it was called Etude de Velocite. So maybe it is an etude?
Jim341046 2 years ago
it is both
robbiethemann 2 years ago 2
Gorgeous piece!
Lukecash12 2 years ago
wow!
chopin meets nancarrow?
wanjabelaga 2 years ago 6
this seems like it would be the most epic of encores EVER.
forrestisnotmoody 2 years ago 7
I meant to reply to this comment when I replied to my own ;)
aguyfromtexas 2 years ago 3
From the first second of this I thought of Chopin 10 no 4. Ive never heard any of Alkan's music before, but if this is just a prelude, I hate to imagine the probable difficulty of any of his etudes.
aguyfromtexas 2 years ago 21
you must research his compositions, even here on y/t - look up his etude "the knight" and hamelin playing the allegro barbaresco. there is genius throughout all his works.
writerspleasure 2 years ago 8
Honestly, I agree. I don't think I've yet found a piece that isn't severely profound once you catch on to the subtleties. It seems like he was some sort of technical and musical Demigod.
Lukecash12 2 years ago 2
you are definitely onto the alkan magic.
writerspleasure 2 years ago 2
you are 100% true there.
kasyapa 2 years ago
Well sir, then you are my kind of chap.
Lukecash12 2 years ago
I'll have to think of that next time I have a concert =]
aguyfromtexas 2 years ago
i'll be adding you. :)
kasyapa 2 years ago
@aguyfromtexas monstruous !!!!!!!!
flouz2 1 year ago
@aguyfromtexas the opening theme is actually almost identical to Liszt no.10 F minor etude
anonymousQ45 1 year ago
@aguyfromtexas they are very difficult ;_;
Evil5ymphony 4 months ago
It's like an easier version of Le Chemin de Fer.
I actually think it's a little more playable than you all think.
OrangeSodaKing 2 years ago
I agree, to his etude it is relatively easier
Desmonddd2002 2 years ago 5
sounds like Liszt Transcendental etude no. 10!
ginocretino 2 years ago
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opticlyrical 2 years ago
I can hear both chopin etude and liszts TE 10 ^^ But it´s really sound good and IF alkan copied a bit I consider him still as a genious to mix the songs toghether and remaking it.
Haha this is only a prelude, kind of incredible O__o
addeex1 2 years ago 4
Which chopin etude? I'm doing research on this and I'm trying to compare alkan with liszt and chopin
Yamsareverytasty 2 years ago
Etude 10-4
staystilljason 2 years ago
Thanks, will have a listen. I'm currently analysing Alkans music and stuff like this is really helpful!
Yamsareverytasty 2 years ago 2
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this is like the dragonforce of all piano!
guth2391 2 years ago
no... try scherzo focoso for that reference
Marcomedina 2 years ago 9
Ok let's all go practice...
Ives1964 2 years ago 59
I don't think my metronome can go slow enough for me to practice this song. Lol.
MacintoshPC 2 years ago 2
Frankly I can't see the comparison with either the Chopin op10#4 or TE 10. Reminds me more of an amped up version of the last part of Impromtu Op 36 by Chopin. But, like, waayy amped up.
grdiii 3 years ago
At around 1:00 or so, that little transition is also in the chopin etude, but in a different key. I frankly could care less if he copied chopin. It fits the piece, does it not? Doesn't make Alkan any less a composer in my book.
Marcomedina 3 years ago
I would say that it is much harder then Op.10 No.4, and a lot harder (for me) then Liszt TE 10, even though I have no idea why that was brought up, as I can't think of two pieces that are less alike
ReclaimTheGlory 3 years ago
Some chord-progresses sounded like TE1.0
Anders039 3 years ago
Chopin and Alkan were close friends and Liszt commented that Alkan's technique was "frightening"
So even if I detect anything that's reminiscent I would think that they probably studied each other works and wrote variations which they made into their style.
talonboy5432 3 years ago
I can't imagine myself playing with such brilliant technique!
mziel53 3 years ago 3
THIS IS A PRELUDE!?
Omg...Alkan is officially on my list now...Liszt please make way thanks...
talonboy5432 3 years ago 2
haha are you kidding? liszt transcndental 10 is nothing like this... clearly you havent played it. or compared scores. im thinking 10 is probably harder because of the awkwardness of the close proximity of the hands in some of the passages. that is what i found most dificult
88alan8800 3 years ago
but still if you stop this video at 1:30 you can see some nice left hand jumps :) And they have to be played pretty fast :D
ManWithManyShurikens 3 years ago
is someone playing this or is it computerised
mukeshcuster 3 years ago
Amazing, I really like Alkan, but I think sometimes his music is a so difficult... maybe that'd be the reason I love him? :D
tsubakisan 3 years ago
Amazing, and beautiful!
cerzule 3 years ago
I agree that this is little bit like chopin's etude op.10 n.4. But this is just so many times harder. But still amazing piece! Actually alkan and liszt are my favourite composers when you want hardness and beauty.
Aul1kki 3 years ago
I don't think it's harder, the patterns are simpler in this one. Tempo about the same.
trigalg693 3 years ago
Chopin? No. This is unmistakably reminiscent of Liszt's Transcendental Etude No. 10.
supermanifold 3 years ago
Hmm. Which part of this piece is something like in Liszt's transcendental etude n. 10? There are video from stienwayz, where are good example how this and chopin's 10 4 are little bit same.
Aul1kki 3 years ago
the first few bars, and elsewhere.
supermanifold 3 years ago
maybe it was just a coincidence, or if it was not and Alkan took just 5 or so bars from Chopin's etude op10 no4, who hasn't borrowed some ideas from other composers into their songs? I know Chopin did it, and Beethoven and Liszt and many others, so its not a surprise to see just 5 or so bars of similarity from the 4th etude.
mvs1312 3 years ago
What was the point in your comment? Of course it's like that, but sometimes it's funny to see where somebody pick his ideas. Or found similarity between pieces.
Aul1kki 3 years ago
if it's a good idea, why not use it again?
jiolsmolimassunemo 3 years ago
Wow!!
Anders039 3 years ago
um............WOW.
4thMG 3 years ago
Sounds soooo much like Chopins etude op.10 no.4.
jasonextreme 3 years ago 2
Well, apparently Alkan was influenced by Chopin... so... yeah.
mickyj300x 3 years ago
not really, because he knew his technique was somewhat better than Chopin. He liked his music so we can see that in very few of his pieces. for example a little part of allegretto alla barbaresca is influenced by Chopin's grande polonaise brillante.
mvs1312 3 years ago