@jmanthirtyseven around 1900-2000 pounds stoc... can be stripped even more and with even more carbon fiber and less aluminum to about 1500 pounds... nothing handles like it :) and the toyota engine is buzzy, high revving, and high strung and so it's the perfect marriage... almost perfect car... not for the person who wants creature comforts..
Anyone happen to know what the difference in numbers are between a Lotus Exige stock and a MRS (Last made MR2) with the 2zz swap? I am just curious if i picked up a MRS and did the swap if the number are similar? Anyone know?
Most people that do the swap pull the 2ZZ motor out of the Exige/Elise or a Matrix. So the numbers are about the same stock to stock. They both weigh around 2200-2300 lbs. I have a turbo 1ZZ currently that is stock and running 7 psi. About to get it tuned so I'll have numbers for you in the next week. But the 2ZZ swap isn't cheap on the MRS, lot of parts to source. @TheManInDboX
@sponge111111 well I never said you CAN'T go shopping with it, just said it's not made for it :P but honestly, thats pretty bad ass that you go shopping with a Lotus
What's funny as shit is one of my best friends has a large family and is on WIC, and we'll take my 05 to the store to get a few things with his WIC card, and the employee pushing the cart always flips when we get to the Lotus, rofl
Civic owners really love their cars. Yeah, you can build as much power as you want on a civic. A 10 y/o Lotus is worth more then a brand new Civic. Hmm
I'm sorry, but since a tuned Civic becomes a supercar? All it has is a 4 cylinder VTAK POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA engine. And by the looks of your videos, all you've done is stripped it and modify the cars power source.
props guys, 400hp on a tiny lightweight car like this will be amazing at the track. with the right gearing you can beat a corvette zo6 in the corners AND keep up with it on the straight aways, assuming you dealt with aero characteristics to make it more stable.
overkill... i've seen a vid from a K20 swap - even keiichi tsuchiya has a lot of work with the 325hp it's pushing out and it was supercharged = much more steady power-characteristics... putting 400hp in such a light and especially mid-engined car ist just dumb IMHO... i think the main difference would be that a NA or SC elise or exige can be driven out of a corner exactly at its limit, while a turbo'd one is driven either below or above its limit, so you have to struggle = makes you slower...
@purpleGoAhead with any turbo car, you can manage how much boost and power you are putting to the wheels just by using your right foot. dont have to always be full power or no power, in regards to on and off boost, depending on how the turbo has been set up (ie which trubo and engine size, cam setup and timing). Totally different way of driving compared to an NA ot SC engine. I quite like driving turbos for this reason. Each to there own I guess.
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@ARXHMalakas ha, that's so far the most sensible thing you said. anyways, peace, don't mean no harm but I just hated it when people call me fucktard or retard. It is just not necessary,or is it me that get offended easily I don't know.
now that being said, I want to tell you that I really don't bullshit around over the net about what I know or pretend that I know when I actually don't know.
@ARXHMalakas right, and you also prepare dinner with your father, for your sister. don't throw in something you don't really actually know. you're actually acting as a 'fucktard' now.
you wouldn't know a thing about making a 'N/A' K20A reach 300 crank HP without it explode in your face.
dude, stop calling people names just because you don't like their posts.
the corvette was an example in there for a purpose. It was there to specify that in '1st gear' it can reach 60mph while other cars take 2 gears to do that.
Now having said that, corvette is slower in certain twisty tracks compare to Exige S, that I guarantee you, due to it's huge rear end power and huge ass. so in that perspective you are actually slapping your own face. go to my account and see i actually race.
yeah i have to agree, this thread is fraught with ignorance. its a real tip off when two people, arguing opposite points, both think that physic's are on their side. i also enjoyed the fact that some of the people commenting on what engine resides in an elise could not be bothered to take two seconds to look up the information which is everywhere, just baffling.
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have you drove a Lotus before? A type R? Liter bike? Any performance vehicle? don't lie tho when you answer.
look up information....what makes you think people don't look up before they talk? they actually put their hands on motors besides just look up info on the net.
you have no respects whatsoever and are just as ignorant as a spoiled kid.
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@vp4d type R ricer shite? As I wrote in this thread b4, I own a 09 Exige S w/ performance package @241bhp (Euro version, which in your country it's call 240R), and now selling it due to impracticality. I also race in a '93 race prepped EG/D15B hatch (check my vids) which constantly laps our tracks 1 sec faster than the Exige S when on street tires, and 5 on slicks! (and Exige S was designed for track day fun!), and I also own a FD2 Type R so I lol when I read you wrote type R is a ricer.
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@vp4d a ricer by definition, is a regular import don in crazy body kits & low to the ground using whatever means possible, PURELY for 'show off'', while under the hood it's stock. A tuner, is a different story. You can take a Japan import and tune it to whatever horses you want, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just because imports are easier and cheaper to tune. please do not get confused here. In addition, a Type R isn't a ricer or tuner. It is a factory purposely made track day sedan.
@ferrucc1o beats me... but ricer or tuner people are just trying to have fun. Back in college (98') I bought a tt 300zx and I put a body kit on it and a set of eibach springs and enkei wheels, I was a ricer then. 10+ yrs later, I prefer factory designed cars with powerful engine, great chassis, etc. I would fiddle with the powertrain for more hp, do something with the chassis for better handing, but none with the exterior mod. (Ok if it is a turbo mod then yeah a front bumper change.)
@peaks25 no no no, it is you who should stop talking. It is good for you that you own a famous 50 yrs old chassis, but it is completely lousy about you of your bloated tone, and your hate on what others enjoy to do and could do with their rides.
GOOD ONE one its a 2001 chassis and it was built in 2003 you idiot, and really your calling a GT40 lousy? So if a GT40 with 500hp is "lousy" what does that make your civic? Really, listen to your self golferchin, you sound like a complete idiot.
this car has attended track days and hasnt ever been beat by a lotus...the chassis was built for road racing plus it had a higher power to weight ratio then a ferrari enzo...
@peaks25 Willow Springs Ford GT 1:37.01 Lotus Exige S 240 1:38.11
Can your replica do as good as the real GT? be aware the GT is 'properly tuned' in terms of overall handling. I will give you credit for your 500hp and race chassis, but is your overall package well balanced? Can you trail brake into corner at chassis' max speed possible with confidence your rear end won't snap on you, how early and how hard can you power out, will shit hit the fan if you abruptly lift off throttle mid corner....
there are performance cars: exige s, turbo lotus elise, base corvette's...
supercars are in a whole nother class which includes:GT40's, ferrari f430's, lamborghini superleggera's, koenigsegg ccx and more
the difference between performance cars and supercars is performance cars generally lack one key performance feature such as handling issues or lack of serious power. Parts can be added but then the car is not stock. Supercars have the complete package that performance dont have
@peaks25 I am not thick face enough to say my Exige S is a supercar just because I own one. 'supercar' costs an arm and a leg to own, triple that in Thailand. That being said, Exige S has the supercar-level performance except one thing, and you are right, one thing is lacking. The small supercharged Toyota engine means the car tops out at 154 mph on a good cold night.
But on any "short and twisty" "short circuit", it performs supercar-like. On highspeed tracks, then it gets smoked.
@peaks25 I have this sneaking suspicion that you made up this definition of a "performance car" since there is no real single definition for a "performance car" or a "supercar"..since supercars PERFORM aswell..a "performance car" would not "perform" if it had handling issues it would then be a "fast car in a straight line"...ever seen a jag xjr15? those handle like shit..would you not call them a supercar?
@friesngravy well generally most people follow this rule of thumb: any car that is designed to either be fast or handle well or is created for a "thrill" of driving is a performance car its a very broad catagory... supercar is usually defined as a performance car with is expensive and exclusive and generally has higher performance specs than other performance cars... hypercars are usually defined as the elite supcar and is usually the whole package (bugatti veyron, saleen s7, maclaren f1 etc)
I just want to point out to all you haters, I have a track prepped lotus élan , have an esprit and have tracked several exige 240r's and cups. All can be made to go around a track quickly, and you know what, the élan is fwd AND turbo. What I need to know , is all of you who have no experience, no idea what your talking about... What in the world compels you to post self confident hate? If you don't know what your talking about... Seriously, don't hate. You look foolish
unfortunately, this is not the most ignorant comment section you can find in youtube, actually, in the whole internet. people just vent for no reason. By the way you track? pls go to my account and view the 2 civic video (track practice)and kindly rate and comment. I own an Exige S with performance package, in US trim it is 240R. But last time I had lotus track day I didn't own a car cam yet. maybe do some recording in the future.
Have dyno tuned and you'll see a lot more power whether you have mods or not the best mod for this car is a good tune for exactly that there's a lot of hidden potential in it and all hondas suck race me
no way! the exige weighs about the same and has 240 hp and does 0-60 in 4 sec. i did a 0-60 calculator and it comes up with 2.6 sec 0-60 for this hp and weight.
the older 190 hp does 4.9 sec. but the 240 hp is faster. and it wont do 0-60 in 2.6 sec. acceleration is not directly proportional to power, otherwise there would be hondas doing 0-60 in less than 2 seconds. but with a bit more power and better tires and suspension, it could go into the 2's. but its a MR and short wheelbase, so its going to wheelie a lot
have you ever heard of physics? its ALL about power-weight ratio. at least as far as pure acceleration is concerned. civics dont do 0-60 in 2 seconds because of 2 reasons. 1) even with their low weight, theyd still need a ton of power. and 2) they are FWD, and FWd sucks for hard acceleration.
theirs a civic that is stroked 2.2L and makes 1000whp. I can send u a link if you want. But I donlt like fwd cuz of handling and launches. LOTUS4EVER!!!!!!!!!!
And they are a fat-guy assload heavier than a REAL FUCKING RACE CAR. Lets see a retard Civic handle a curve like any run of the mill STANDARD Lotus.. FAIL. Civics are for dudes that want to pretend they are "race car drivers". I don't have a lot of room to talk.. but I do have a supercharged MX5 with more suspension than most Civics are worth. Anyone that measures fast in a straight line, probable wears a helmet to bed and drools on themselves. A real driver takes turns, and not just left ones!
hahaha! I happen to own a 2009 Exige S with performance package. But I race in an EG hatch with D15B, with highly modified chassis and engine. I go into corner, maintain speed, and exist faster on the little civic than the Exige S. When I switch to Exige at the track, I usually ending up oversteer in corners. Luckily the lotus is very easy to correct. But, Exige can be beat by a civic in this case. Check out my videos, the shorter one. 3rd lap on you will be amazed by that civic.
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wrog. fwd has better acceleration than rwd. the power in the rwd car has to travel through the transmission to the drive shaft and then to the rear axels/differential. fwd power goes from tranny, drect to the wheels so less power is loss in the process. therefor fwd responds faster to accelerations than rwd. an example of this is a sunny vs s13 silvia. same engine in both cars yet the fwd sunny will beat the s13 every time.
fwd is more efficient than RWD by around 10%, i think. which means that if u can sacrifice the traction, FWD will be better. however, in a lot of high-performance application, you really cant afford to sacrifice that traction for a tad more power.
Lets say that the tires have 10 units of grip. in a low powered car, it uses 9 units, so fwd would be better. But in normal cars, rwd is better because the weight shifts toward the rear. In fwd, the car wants to shift weight back, but only does that to an extent because the front tires would go up, and no more traction. So fwd REDUCES traction as you accelerate from a standstill, and rwd increases it.
you're and idiot. do you think a rear engine rear wheel drive car has a drive shaft? god, how do you even manage to breathe, if fwd is so much better, than how come NO exotic super car uses it? ever heard of understear? fwd cars suffer from it quite badly, making them useless on a track.
are u serious. like really are u serious. we are talking about acceleration. obviously a rwd has an advantage over fwd in a track, but if u think a rwd is better than fwd in acceleration u need to go back to ur physics class.
alright lets talk physics. when you accelerate all the cars weight is resisting and all the weight is shifted to the back. when this happens it causes LESS traction in the front. with less traction you get LESS acceleration. Seriously how do you manage to breathe? yet again if fwd is sooooooo good for acceleration how come EVERY SINGLE hard core drag car is rwd, i'm not talking some ghetto 10 second civic I mean dragsters funny cars and serious 1/4 mile cars, they are all either rwd or awd.
it is obvious that u have an already bias mind set and no matter how i explain it to u, u just wont listen, and instead u just want to be right so ill give it to u. ur right. now go tell all ur friends u just won an argument on youtube so that they know ur smart. ill just leave u with this an u can look it up. is better to pull then to push, and since FF pulls and FR pushes; well ur obviously smart enough to do the math.
okay fine, lets say your right. WHY DON'T DRAG CARS US FWD THEN?!?!?!? people are smart, if it was so much better then thats what drag racing would use. my friend has a 200hp mx6 turbo, and he can't lay his power down, the car just burns out and hardly moves when he does a launch, my dad has a 300hp porsche that weighs less, and it grips so well you can hardly get the tires to break free. god you're so retarded
cause ur dads porsche is an mr like this car. when he accelerates the weight of the car is shifted from the front to the back. u have weight of the engine on the tires plus the weight that is shifting to the back resulting in greater grip. now ur friends mx6 accelerates the front lifts because of the weight shift to the back taking weight off the tires resulting in tire spin. and thats why. dont be bias everything has advantages and disadvantages. all FF FR MR AWD have strength and weaknesses.
i dont wanna be an ass, cause i dont gain anything from it. but you cant be bias if you wanna understand why the advantage and disadvantage of FF vs FR PM me. ill explain it to u there is a big misconception. not only for FR drivers but also FF. and ill tell u why in my opinion an MR although not perfect is the best of all worlds. which is also why it is used on most super-cars. lambo ferrari, porsche, and so on.
well thats all ive been trying to say this whole tinme, and you kept saying that ff accelerates the best, and I quote "fwd has better acceleration than rwd." so wtf? and my dads Porsche is RR :)
ur dads car is MR not RR. MR= mid engine rear wheel drive. RR = ?. in theory FF will always have better acceleration than FR, because less mechanical power is loss. an example of this is the 240sx vs the sunny same engine approximately same weight. sunny will always take in front of the 240.
no, actually my dads porshce is RR, look up your shit before you post, if you did that we would not be arguing. MR will allways out accelerate an FF of equal power, period, and that goes for FR too.
You are a moron. Go take an elementary physics class. They could easily explain to you why FF is terrible for launching. As someone already said, when you launch, weight is transferred to the rear. Well, if weight is being transferred to the rear, then weight(read grip) is being unloaded from the front. Which, I'm sure you are smart enough to do the math, means that in a fwd car, you are LOSING traction in a launch. Whereas in a RWD car, you are gaining traction during launch.
lmao. first of all if u read it was me who sead that the weigh is transfer from the front to the back. the problem is that there inst enough weight been transfer to give u the traction u need. now think to ur self even if weight is been transfer to the back. the driver is sitting closer to the front than the back, plus the weigh of the engine is in the front as well. so what do u think has more weight front or back. i dont know why is this so hard to comprehend, is like ur all in denial wtf.
Most GOOD cars are relatively balanced front/rear. Mid engine and rear engine cars have more weight in the back. And ALOT of weight is transferred to the back wheels at launch. Not just a bit.
are u seriously comparing a Mclaren to a Fiat. first u cant compare a super car to a panda. secon the Mclaren isnt just rwd. is an MR like the NSX, Porsche, Ferrari, MR2. MR = Rear Wheel Drive Mid Engine. Engine is in the back of the car plus the driver in an MR sit's closer to the back as well. u know what i not even going to explain anything else, there is no point anymore.
u just repeated what i just sead. i am not replaying to anymore dumb comments. my advice to you is to stop playing Grand Turismo, Forza, or what ever video game ur getting ur facts from. by the way you loss all credibility of intelligence once u compared a Mclaren to a panda. and btw an "RR" or MR car is basically a fwd setup that was moved to the rear of a car. think about it but dont replay to this, it will be a waste of ur time.
lol its not always this way. i,ve seen some pretty fast honda's that blow the doors off v8's. its all about preferance... its no longer who is better. cause clearly if you have the right setup you can beat anything! lol you should look up the CRX vs lambo!
I like physics, & I got to say power-weight ratio is for marketing purpose, not the measurement for acceleration, but for top end speed. Last I know it is about the torque curve. That's why this Lotus will not do 0-60 in 2.6, because its 400 horses probably happens in above 8000 rpm. And it's also why no hondas will do sub 3. Because as we most know, honda engines' power and torque curve are in 45 degree angle, and it takes seconds just to get into the torquey area.
The Ariel Atom is RWD and will do 0-60mph in 2.9 seconds but it;s super light. You don't need that much power in a Lotus though as you'd want to have as little wheel spin during an acceleration as possible.
I admit here that I actually don't know the equation :)
What I know is that if there's a hike in your torque curve at let say 6k rpm, you will feel the kick when it arrives there. Now if there's a hole in your curve (K20A), likewise you will feel sluggish in relation to torquey areas. That is why civic Type R has a gear ratio designed to not fall into that hole when you up shift. The sensation of acceleration does not follow POWER curve. It follows torque curve.
I can't really explain why your Elise can accelerate insanely fast, but I know 1st, Elise is 750kg I suppose? Maseratis are really heavy and engine is just not enough so to not step on the big brother's toes (Ferrari).
Power really dictates top speed, above 200km/h, 80% of your horse is fighting the air. and you will be surprised by the coefficient of drag of Bikes. They are less efficient than a car. That is why given the power/weight ratio I don't see production bikes over 300km/h.
@golferchin76 check out the wikipedia page on the suzuki hayabusa. there is a bike that does 300kph plus. the wiki page also explains why you don't see production bikes going that fast, it turns out its because of a gentleman's agreement to facilitate the sale of their bikes to certain foreign countries. yet again you are wrong and i'm using facts to correct you. STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR ARSE!!
@azir64 alright then, why don't you just show me where exactly those facts are wrong. bring a source, because randomly commenting crap in small doses doesn't make me wrong. i double checked the wiki page, it's just the easiest source to cite because of it's mass appeal and the fact that they don't allow links in these comments.
@yuyusuck that is true, anyone can edit wikipedia, but it's quite easy to check the source material listed on the page. if you had done so you would realize that the speed figures for the hayabusa are quoted from two reputable sources, motorweek and sport rider. besides that, this wasn't in question to begin with, it's common knowledge that the busa had a top speed above 300 kph, i don't understand why you bothered to post this response. i could be mean, but instead i'll leave it at that.
@yuyusuck why did you respond with this? it's obvious you didn't know this, or else you would not have posted that first comment. i hope you learned something from this, wikipedia isn't always right, but they make it really easy to check if something is properly cited from a reliable source. remember, do your research, and then talk.
@analogorithm why are you getting so defensive and yes i know the fact is true but i am saying dont use wikipedia as a source as anyone can edit it i can go on and type in george washington was the 3rd presiden of the us
@yuyusuck You can change a statistic, but most popular wikipedia pages have such a large array of editors and experts on that particular field, that your alteration will be reverted in no time. Lets say you go onto the Mazda RX-8 Wiki page, and change the fact that it has a rotary engine, to a V6 (just an example), then all the people that regularly update that page will get a notification in their inbox, and obviously they will change it again...
@longhorn959 no he's not kidding.
minimaluhftv 2 months ago
surely that can beat a lambo or Ferrari easy.
jaycupz 3 months ago 2
@jaycupz Ur kidding right?
Longhorn959 3 months ago
@Longhorn959 not kidding buddy its light weight and good for cornering.
jaycupz 2 months ago
@Longhorn959 They're is already known as the ultimate track car. Put a turbo in it and call it God.
betterdropdatdonk 2 months ago
PLEASE I NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH THIS ROCKET WEIGHS!!! Would LOOOVE to track this car
jmanthirtyseven 4 months ago
@jmanthirtyseven around 1900-2000 pounds stoc... can be stripped even more and with even more carbon fiber and less aluminum to about 1500 pounds... nothing handles like it :) and the toyota engine is buzzy, high revving, and high strung and so it's the perfect marriage... almost perfect car... not for the person who wants creature comforts..
supra1722 2 months ago
Whats the motor in this thing a K20?
Monkey6over 5 months ago
that is to much hp for such a light car........ it will be mega fast!!!!
Verification11 5 months ago
@Verification11 never to much horsepower
MRHOLYCRAP12 3 months ago
sweet ride!
vonjager 5 months ago
Nice car man :)
deromegadrei 5 months ago
......Did he just step out of that elise like it was nothing? I know the roof is off but still...
Lancealot180 8 months ago
@Lancealot180
That's why the top is off of mine 90% of the time, haha
tonymaples806 7 months ago
Anyone happen to know what the difference in numbers are between a Lotus Exige stock and a MRS (Last made MR2) with the 2zz swap? I am just curious if i picked up a MRS and did the swap if the number are similar? Anyone know?
TheManInDboX 8 months ago
Most people that do the swap pull the 2ZZ motor out of the Exige/Elise or a Matrix. So the numbers are about the same stock to stock. They both weigh around 2200-2300 lbs. I have a turbo 1ZZ currently that is stock and running 7 psi. About to get it tuned so I'll have numbers for you in the next week. But the 2ZZ swap isn't cheap on the MRS, lot of parts to source. @TheManInDboX
laharal 7 months ago
:O
adunn225 9 months ago
theres a company in norfolk which puts 2 hyabusa engines together which means when in an elise it can preetty much beat every production car 0-60
joshcroucher 9 months ago
@lmcfalcon12 it is a gay car,
sponge111111 10 months ago
that car is way tooo low, where does the shopping go, how do you get in and out, it is ridiculous,
sponge111111 10 months ago
@sponge111111 this car is not made for shopping lol
Yahwehsninja 9 months ago
@Yahwehsninja i go shopping in mine, lol
sponge111111 9 months ago
@sponge111111 well I never said you CAN'T go shopping with it, just said it's not made for it :P but honestly, thats pretty bad ass that you go shopping with a Lotus
Yahwehsninja 9 months ago
@Yahwehsninja why not, you only live once and all that bollox. anyway stay safe,
sponge111111 9 months ago
@Yahwehsninja
What's funny as shit is one of my best friends has a large family and is on WIC, and we'll take my 05 to the store to get a few things with his WIC card, and the employee pushing the cart always flips when we get to the Lotus, rofl
tonymaples806 7 months ago
What it dyno to the wheels? Stock internals?
IXGQ4LifeXI 11 months ago
i think hes just shat him self.
krylon234 1 year ago
Let's buy this for DTreats!
IHATEJ00 1 year ago
oh man that is gorgous
PimpStarFilms 1 year ago
set the camera back a few yards, so the camera doesn't get killed by the epic sound.
spenceronni7 1 year ago
that car is SEXYYY!!! i'd love to own one. its a shame it has a celica motor in it though... i miss the old lotus motors......
0WhiteCharisma0 1 year ago
@0WhiteCharisma0 You mean the ones based on a Rover K series engine?
xieper 1 year ago
@0WhiteCharisma0 They used Rover engines before the Toyota engines and they were junk.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@420witchdoctor I touch myself......
jamesthq 1 year ago
@420witchdoctor hey, go back to your inbred redneck life style you weed smoking mother fucker. you don't even know what golf is.
golferchin76 1 year ago
sounds fast
Boxerjunaid 1 year ago
you mom =D
ongiinfinity 1 year ago
sickest lotus I've ever sick!!!!
kolodziejski15 1 year ago
Civic owners really love their cars. Yeah, you can build as much power as you want on a civic. A 10 y/o Lotus is worth more then a brand new Civic. Hmm
matt92530 1 year ago
how did u get 400hp from that tiny Toyota engine
chinkcochen 1 year ago
@chinkcochen so i take it you've never seen a 700whp civic...
Pitchblac7 1 year ago
@Pitchblac7 i seen it on a civic but its not easy to find lotus performance parts
chinkcochen 1 year ago
@chinkcochen Size doesnt matter. With a little money and commitment you can do anything. Toyota FTW!
sonygamr 1 year ago
@chinkcochen probally switched engines
cooldude1875 1 year ago
@golferchin76
I'm sorry, but since a tuned Civic becomes a supercar? All it has is a 4 cylinder VTAK POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA engine. And by the looks of your videos, all you've done is stripped it and modify the cars power source.
ordi75 1 year ago
what motor is in there? i hear a lot of people putting in K20's do you recommend this?
crv26 1 year ago
Damn!
siba217 1 year ago
400hp in a car that weighs nothing. That sounds like......sex.
Any info on the build? I'd be very interested in doing one.
Curveball 1 year ago
who did this turbo kit for this car?
PD19954 1 year ago
props guys, 400hp on a tiny lightweight car like this will be amazing at the track. with the right gearing you can beat a corvette zo6 in the corners AND keep up with it on the straight aways, assuming you dealt with aero characteristics to make it more stable.
the55wagster 1 year ago
400 hp one wheel or flywheel ? how much weight it gain ?
such a light machine with 400 hp is amazing
Zealless 1 year ago
Is this still the 2ZZ motor?
eddieneedsboost 1 year ago
overkill... i've seen a vid from a K20 swap - even keiichi tsuchiya has a lot of work with the 325hp it's pushing out and it was supercharged = much more steady power-characteristics... putting 400hp in such a light and especially mid-engined car ist just dumb IMHO... i think the main difference would be that a NA or SC elise or exige can be driven out of a corner exactly at its limit, while a turbo'd one is driven either below or above its limit, so you have to struggle = makes you slower...
purpleGoAhead 1 year ago
@purpleGoAhead you aren't struggling if you're a good/professional driver.
cliffabrown 1 year ago
@purpleGoAhead with any turbo car, you can manage how much boost and power you are putting to the wheels just by using your right foot. dont have to always be full power or no power, in regards to on and off boost, depending on how the turbo has been set up (ie which trubo and engine size, cam setup and timing). Totally different way of driving compared to an NA ot SC engine. I quite like driving turbos for this reason. Each to there own I guess.
ranicx 1 year ago
fuck 400hp on this car!!! did you guys swap it??
Mpbresenio 1 year ago
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@ARXHMalakas ha, that's so far the most sensible thing you said. anyways, peace, don't mean no harm but I just hated it when people call me fucktard or retard. It is just not necessary,or is it me that get offended easily I don't know.
now that being said, I want to tell you that I really don't bullshit around over the net about what I know or pretend that I know when I actually don't know.
golferchin76 1 year ago
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@ARXHMalakas you mean go to hell? fuck off i don't care what you do or who you are.
golferchin76 1 year ago
@ARXHMalakas right, and you also prepare dinner with your father, for your sister. don't throw in something you don't really actually know. you're actually acting as a 'fucktard' now.
you wouldn't know a thing about making a 'N/A' K20A reach 300 crank HP without it explode in your face.
golferchin76 1 year ago
dude, stop calling people names just because you don't like their posts.
the corvette was an example in there for a purpose. It was there to specify that in '1st gear' it can reach 60mph while other cars take 2 gears to do that.
Now having said that, corvette is slower in certain twisty tracks compare to Exige S, that I guarantee you, due to it's huge rear end power and huge ass. so in that perspective you are actually slapping your own face. go to my account and see i actually race.
golferchin76 1 year ago
Who ever says that FWD has better acceleration that RWD hasn't driven a real car B4...
jrag1000 1 year ago
wow a 1.8 4cylinder
VadimNesen 2 years ago
good thing its a TOYOTA engine.. whoooo
VadimNesen 2 years ago
jesus....
zig3 2 years ago
yeah i have to agree, this thread is fraught with ignorance. its a real tip off when two people, arguing opposite points, both think that physic's are on their side. i also enjoyed the fact that some of the people commenting on what engine resides in an elise could not be bothered to take two seconds to look up the information which is everywhere, just baffling.
analogorithm 2 years ago 2
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have you drove a Lotus before? A type R? Liter bike? Any performance vehicle? don't lie tho when you answer.
look up information....what makes you think people don't look up before they talk? they actually put their hands on motors besides just look up info on the net.
you have no respects whatsoever and are just as ignorant as a spoiled kid.
golferchin76 1 year ago
@golferchin76 lol at type R (ricer shite) being an example of a performance vehicle.....
vp4d 1 year ago
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@vp4d type R ricer shite? As I wrote in this thread b4, I own a 09 Exige S w/ performance package @241bhp (Euro version, which in your country it's call 240R), and now selling it due to impracticality. I also race in a '93 race prepped EG/D15B hatch (check my vids) which constantly laps our tracks 1 sec faster than the Exige S when on street tires, and 5 on slicks! (and Exige S was designed for track day fun!), and I also own a FD2 Type R so I lol when I read you wrote type R is a ricer.
golferchin76 1 year ago
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@vp4d a ricer by definition, is a regular import don in crazy body kits & low to the ground using whatever means possible, PURELY for 'show off'', while under the hood it's stock. A tuner, is a different story. You can take a Japan import and tune it to whatever horses you want, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just because imports are easier and cheaper to tune. please do not get confused here. In addition, a Type R isn't a ricer or tuner. It is a factory purposely made track day sedan.
golferchin76 1 year ago
@golferchin76 So what if you make your car look good and make it fast are you a...... rice tuner?
ferrucc1o 1 year ago
@ferrucc1o beats me... but ricer or tuner people are just trying to have fun. Back in college (98') I bought a tt 300zx and I put a body kit on it and a set of eibach springs and enkei wheels, I was a ricer then. 10+ yrs later, I prefer factory designed cars with powerful engine, great chassis, etc. I would fiddle with the powertrain for more hp, do something with the chassis for better handing, but none with the exterior mod. (Ok if it is a turbo mod then yeah a front bumper change.)
golferchin76 1 year ago
@golferchin76
dude... you should just stop talking, your cars you have really aint that great, ok its a hopped up civic with a roll cage. its nothing special.
peaks25 1 year ago
@peaks25 no no no, it is you who should stop talking. It is good for you that you own a famous 50 yrs old chassis, but it is completely lousy about you of your bloated tone, and your hate on what others enjoy to do and could do with their rides.
golferchin76 1 year ago
@golferchin76
GOOD ONE one its a 2001 chassis and it was built in 2003 you idiot, and really your calling a GT40 lousy? So if a GT40 with 500hp is "lousy" what does that make your civic? Really, listen to your self golferchin, you sound like a complete idiot.
peaks25 1 year ago
@peaks25 read my post. I said "lousy" is your bloated tone. I did not call a real GT40 or Ford GT lousy.
so you have your kit car and so proud of yourself, why not take it to a track day, and get smoked by lotus in twisty bends.
golferchin76 1 year ago
@golferchin76
this car has attended track days and hasnt ever been beat by a lotus...the chassis was built for road racing plus it had a higher power to weight ratio then a ferrari enzo...
peaks25 1 year ago
@peaks25 Willow Springs Ford GT 1:37.01 Lotus Exige S 240 1:38.11
Can your replica do as good as the real GT? be aware the GT is 'properly tuned' in terms of overall handling. I will give you credit for your 500hp and race chassis, but is your overall package well balanced? Can you trail brake into corner at chassis' max speed possible with confidence your rear end won't snap on you, how early and how hard can you power out, will shit hit the fan if you abruptly lift off throttle mid corner....
golferchin76 1 year ago
@peaks25 if not, your car will be smoked by an Exige S. But no shame on that, many performance cars get smoked by Exige S anyways.
golferchin76 1 year ago
@golferchin76
there are performance cars: exige s, turbo lotus elise, base corvette's...
supercars are in a whole nother class which includes:GT40's, ferrari f430's, lamborghini superleggera's, koenigsegg ccx and more
the difference between performance cars and supercars is performance cars generally lack one key performance feature such as handling issues or lack of serious power. Parts can be added but then the car is not stock. Supercars have the complete package that performance dont have
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golferchin76 1 year ago
@peaks25 I am not thick face enough to say my Exige S is a supercar just because I own one. 'supercar' costs an arm and a leg to own, triple that in Thailand. That being said, Exige S has the supercar-level performance except one thing, and you are right, one thing is lacking. The small supercharged Toyota engine means the car tops out at 154 mph on a good cold night.
But on any "short and twisty" "short circuit", it performs supercar-like. On highspeed tracks, then it gets smoked.
golferchin76 1 year ago
@peaks25 I have this sneaking suspicion that you made up this definition of a "performance car" since there is no real single definition for a "performance car" or a "supercar"..since supercars PERFORM aswell..a "performance car" would not "perform" if it had handling issues it would then be a "fast car in a straight line"...ever seen a jag xjr15? those handle like shit..would you not call them a supercar?
friesngravy 1 year ago
@friesngravy well generally most people follow this rule of thumb: any car that is designed to either be fast or handle well or is created for a "thrill" of driving is a performance car its a very broad catagory... supercar is usually defined as a performance car with is expensive and exclusive and generally has higher performance specs than other performance cars... hypercars are usually defined as the elite supcar and is usually the whole package (bugatti veyron, saleen s7, maclaren f1 etc)
MrTNL3 1 year ago
@vp4d Type R will fuck you up nigga
TypeDoubleR 1 year ago
wow this is a monster !
CLS3nice 2 years ago
@04Forester of coarse torque matters but i was talking about having high end torque not low end torque. maybe you should read my comment again...
kylesaenz90 2 years ago
Sounds awesome!!
Needs some info about the spec its running?
MetroMartin 2 years ago
is that guy for real, maybe becuase it is a much faster car you cock sucker !x
demih8989 2 years ago
BEST YOUTUBE THREAD EVER.
tpaladino 2 years ago
Learn how to spell before you start arguing. Please..
A Panda, faster than a McLaren Mercedes, where and when will that EVER happen.
Enough said.
Drone696 2 years ago
I just want to point out to all you haters, I have a track prepped lotus élan , have an esprit and have tracked several exige 240r's and cups. All can be made to go around a track quickly, and you know what, the élan is fwd AND turbo. What I need to know , is all of you who have no experience, no idea what your talking about... What in the world compels you to post self confident hate? If you don't know what your talking about... Seriously, don't hate. You look foolish
lotusespritguy 2 years ago
This is the most ignorant comment section I have ever seen. Nice video man
lotusespritguy 2 years ago
unfortunately, this is not the most ignorant comment section you can find in youtube, actually, in the whole internet. people just vent for no reason. By the way you track? pls go to my account and view the 2 civic video (track practice)and kindly rate and comment. I own an Exige S with performance package, in US trim it is 240R. But last time I had lotus track day I didn't own a car cam yet. maybe do some recording in the future.
golferchin76 2 years ago
That's just how the car is tuned
Have dyno tuned and you'll see a lot more power whether you have mods or not the best mod for this car is a good tune for exactly that there's a lot of hidden potential in it and all hondas suck race me
Gtpthesleeper 2 years ago
You should get a gtp it's a sport sedan and very easy to mod it's supercharged and has 240 hp and 280 ft lbs of torque stock
Gtpthesleeper 2 years ago
How do you GTP guys not know that 240 hp from a supercharged 3.8 liter V6 is PATHETIC? Accords make that much power from a N.A. 3.0 liter!
idontcare80 2 years ago
Also an Accord isn't going to burn your house down like the all of the cars that are powered by the 3800.
idontcare80 2 years ago
Nice Lotus although I hate Coupes with a passion because of my claustrophobia, I can't stand the tight spaces. I'm more of a Sports Sedan person =)
KaneNFL443 2 years ago
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you ruined the car, if you buy that car its probably cuz you like less power and more speed, but you just ruined it
pktrickz1 2 years ago
they have ruined it, because that will just ruin the handling
sir5racealot 2 years ago
Yep, lotus use the celica engine.
Its Ariel that use the type R civic engine in their Atom.
cianinthesack 2 years ago
and they've got a v8 model coming out too.
bradfick147 2 years ago
wow :O
daxxas 2 years ago
its powered by a 1.8 2zzge celica motor. not type r
TRDboi85 2 years ago
it uses a 1.8 engine that lotus gets from the toyota celica
When lotus get the engine they modify it for there needs u can basically put on performance part from a celica onto it
handlingfinesse 3 years ago
What is the engine here?
7366431 3 years ago
people say that the elise has a integra type r engine.but i have no clue what the engine is.
leeboy1996 3 years ago
3.8
qu1z 3 years ago
OMG this is VERY sick!!
how fasnt cna do the 0-60??
marlonsroad 3 years ago
Lotus says the stock elise can do 0-60 in about 4.9, but with the turbo i would guess that it is around 4 seconds flat.
ledzepp2789 2 years ago
no way! the exige weighs about the same and has 240 hp and does 0-60 in 4 sec. i did a 0-60 calculator and it comes up with 2.6 sec 0-60 for this hp and weight.
motomobbers 2 years ago
the older 190 hp does 4.9 sec. but the 240 hp is faster. and it wont do 0-60 in 2.6 sec. acceleration is not directly proportional to power, otherwise there would be hondas doing 0-60 in less than 2 seconds. but with a bit more power and better tires and suspension, it could go into the 2's. but its a MR and short wheelbase, so its going to wheelie a lot
carmodifire 2 years ago
have you ever heard of physics? its ALL about power-weight ratio. at least as far as pure acceleration is concerned. civics dont do 0-60 in 2 seconds because of 2 reasons. 1) even with their low weight, theyd still need a ton of power. and 2) they are FWD, and FWd sucks for hard acceleration.
pepene93 2 years ago 5
theirs a civic that is stroked 2.2L and makes 1000whp. I can send u a link if you want. But I donlt like fwd cuz of handling and launches. LOTUS4EVER!!!!!!!!!!
carmodifire 2 years ago
id love to see a link of a 2.2L engine making 1000HP. tho it would take a lot to convince me, since it sounds pretty much impossible.
pepene93 2 years ago
I'll send u a PM because youtube doesn't let links go in the comments.
carmodifire 2 years ago
ams evo make 1000+ hp from a 2.0l look it up
iceefreet 2 years ago
that made no sense what so ever. mr is essentially a fwd.
iceefreet 2 years ago
And they are a fat-guy assload heavier than a REAL FUCKING RACE CAR. Lets see a retard Civic handle a curve like any run of the mill STANDARD Lotus.. FAIL. Civics are for dudes that want to pretend they are "race car drivers". I don't have a lot of room to talk.. but I do have a supercharged MX5 with more suspension than most Civics are worth. Anyone that measures fast in a straight line, probable wears a helmet to bed and drools on themselves. A real driver takes turns, and not just left ones!
notoncemoreagain 2 years ago 3
hahaha! I happen to own a 2009 Exige S with performance package. But I race in an EG hatch with D15B, with highly modified chassis and engine. I go into corner, maintain speed, and exist faster on the little civic than the Exige S. When I switch to Exige at the track, I usually ending up oversteer in corners. Luckily the lotus is very easy to correct. But, Exige can be beat by a civic in this case. Check out my videos, the shorter one. 3rd lap on you will be amazed by that civic.
golferchin76 2 years ago
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your MX5 will fail on the track compare to my lowly EG hatch. see my vids to know what I mean. hehehe.
And yes regular civics aren't going to beat your MX5 but they do handle good compare to their competitors, such as corolla, or lancer.
It is the Type Rs that shine.
golferchin76 1 year ago
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wrog. fwd has better acceleration than rwd. the power in the rwd car has to travel through the transmission to the drive shaft and then to the rear axels/differential. fwd power goes from tranny, drect to the wheels so less power is loss in the process. therefor fwd responds faster to accelerations than rwd. an example of this is a sunny vs s13 silvia. same engine in both cars yet the fwd sunny will beat the s13 every time.
iceefreet 2 years ago
fwd is more efficient than RWD by around 10%, i think. which means that if u can sacrifice the traction, FWD will be better. however, in a lot of high-performance application, you really cant afford to sacrifice that traction for a tad more power.
pepene93 2 years ago
Lets say that the tires have 10 units of grip. in a low powered car, it uses 9 units, so fwd would be better. But in normal cars, rwd is better because the weight shifts toward the rear. In fwd, the car wants to shift weight back, but only does that to an extent because the front tires would go up, and no more traction. So fwd REDUCES traction as you accelerate from a standstill, and rwd increases it.
carmodifire 2 years ago
you're and idiot. do you think a rear engine rear wheel drive car has a drive shaft? god, how do you even manage to breathe, if fwd is so much better, than how come NO exotic super car uses it? ever heard of understear? fwd cars suffer from it quite badly, making them useless on a track.
kylesaenz90 2 years ago
are u serious. like really are u serious. we are talking about acceleration. obviously a rwd has an advantage over fwd in a track, but if u think a rwd is better than fwd in acceleration u need to go back to ur physics class.
iceefreet 2 years ago
alright lets talk physics. when you accelerate all the cars weight is resisting and all the weight is shifted to the back. when this happens it causes LESS traction in the front. with less traction you get LESS acceleration. Seriously how do you manage to breathe? yet again if fwd is sooooooo good for acceleration how come EVERY SINGLE hard core drag car is rwd, i'm not talking some ghetto 10 second civic I mean dragsters funny cars and serious 1/4 mile cars, they are all either rwd or awd.
kylesaenz90 2 years ago
it is obvious that u have an already bias mind set and no matter how i explain it to u, u just wont listen, and instead u just want to be right so ill give it to u. ur right. now go tell all ur friends u just won an argument on youtube so that they know ur smart. ill just leave u with this an u can look it up. is better to pull then to push, and since FF pulls and FR pushes; well ur obviously smart enough to do the math.
iceefreet 2 years ago
okay fine, lets say your right. WHY DON'T DRAG CARS US FWD THEN?!?!?!? people are smart, if it was so much better then thats what drag racing would use. my friend has a 200hp mx6 turbo, and he can't lay his power down, the car just burns out and hardly moves when he does a launch, my dad has a 300hp porsche that weighs less, and it grips so well you can hardly get the tires to break free. god you're so retarded
kylesaenz90 2 years ago
cause ur dads porsche is an mr like this car. when he accelerates the weight of the car is shifted from the front to the back. u have weight of the engine on the tires plus the weight that is shifting to the back resulting in greater grip. now ur friends mx6 accelerates the front lifts because of the weight shift to the back taking weight off the tires resulting in tire spin. and thats why. dont be bias everything has advantages and disadvantages. all FF FR MR AWD have strength and weaknesses.
iceefreet 2 years ago
i dont wanna be an ass, cause i dont gain anything from it. but you cant be bias if you wanna understand why the advantage and disadvantage of FF vs FR PM me. ill explain it to u there is a big misconception. not only for FR drivers but also FF. and ill tell u why in my opinion an MR although not perfect is the best of all worlds. which is also why it is used on most super-cars. lambo ferrari, porsche, and so on.
iceefreet 2 years ago
well thats all ive been trying to say this whole tinme, and you kept saying that ff accelerates the best, and I quote "fwd has better acceleration than rwd." so wtf? and my dads Porsche is RR :)
kylesaenz90 2 years ago
ur dads car is MR not RR. MR= mid engine rear wheel drive. RR = ?. in theory FF will always have better acceleration than FR, because less mechanical power is loss. an example of this is the 240sx vs the sunny same engine approximately same weight. sunny will always take in front of the 240.
iceefreet 2 years ago
no, actually my dads porshce is RR, look up your shit before you post, if you did that we would not be arguing. MR will allways out accelerate an FF of equal power, period, and that goes for FR too.
kylesaenz90 2 years ago
ur right man what can i say.
iceefreet 2 years ago
thanks
kylesaenz90 2 years ago
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oh and mr is an FF that was put in the back of the car.
iceefreet 2 years ago
You are a moron. Go take an elementary physics class. They could easily explain to you why FF is terrible for launching. As someone already said, when you launch, weight is transferred to the rear. Well, if weight is being transferred to the rear, then weight(read grip) is being unloaded from the front. Which, I'm sure you are smart enough to do the math, means that in a fwd car, you are LOSING traction in a launch. Whereas in a RWD car, you are gaining traction during launch.
MissKellycakes 2 years ago
lmao. first of all if u read it was me who sead that the weigh is transfer from the front to the back. the problem is that there inst enough weight been transfer to give u the traction u need. now think to ur self even if weight is been transfer to the back. the driver is sitting closer to the front than the back, plus the weigh of the engine is in the front as well. so what do u think has more weight front or back. i dont know why is this so hard to comprehend, is like ur all in denial wtf.
iceefreet 2 years ago
Most GOOD cars are relatively balanced front/rear. Mid engine and rear engine cars have more weight in the back. And ALOT of weight is transferred to the back wheels at launch. Not just a bit.
MissKellycakes 2 years ago
ok then explain this smart arse why does a mclaren mercedes RWD have better acceleration than a fwd fiat panda?
TVRnGTR 2 years ago
are u seriously comparing a Mclaren to a Fiat. first u cant compare a super car to a panda. secon the Mclaren isnt just rwd. is an MR like the NSX, Porsche, Ferrari, MR2. MR = Rear Wheel Drive Mid Engine. Engine is in the back of the car plus the driver in an MR sit's closer to the back as well. u know what i not even going to explain anything else, there is no point anymore.
iceefreet 2 years ago
porsches are RR smart arse Rear engined Rear wheel drive
TVRnGTR 2 years ago
u just repeated what i just sead. i am not replaying to anymore dumb comments. my advice to you is to stop playing Grand Turismo, Forza, or what ever video game ur getting ur facts from. by the way you loss all credibility of intelligence once u compared a Mclaren to a panda. and btw an "RR" or MR car is basically a fwd setup that was moved to the rear of a car. think about it but dont replay to this, it will be a waste of ur time.
iceefreet 2 years ago
yah you said fron wheel drives accelerate better than rear wheel drive and i just proved you wrong and btw its Gran Turismo
TVRnGTR 2 years ago
lol its not always this way. i,ve seen some pretty fast honda's that blow the doors off v8's. its all about preferance... its no longer who is better. cause clearly if you have the right setup you can beat anything! lol you should look up the CRX vs lambo!
ghostcivic99 2 years ago
learn facts before say words
flarpjr 2 years ago
@camodifire, pepene93,
I like physics, & I got to say power-weight ratio is for marketing purpose, not the measurement for acceleration, but for top end speed. Last I know it is about the torque curve. That's why this Lotus will not do 0-60 in 2.6, because its 400 horses probably happens in above 8000 rpm. And it's also why no hondas will do sub 3. Because as we most know, honda engines' power and torque curve are in 45 degree angle, and it takes seconds just to get into the torquey area.
golferchin76 2 years ago
@golferchin76
power-weight ratio is for marketing purpose?
Not, power-weight ratio is for acceleration.
For 0-60 in 2.6 sec, you need a AWD car.
Koenigsegg CCXR (1028Hp - 1280Kg) do it in 2,9 sec.
luckplat 2 years ago 9
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The Ariel Atom is RWD and will do 0-60mph in 2.9 seconds but it;s super light. You don't need that much power in a Lotus though as you'd want to have as little wheel spin during an acceleration as possible.
CommanderB9488 2 years ago
@CommanderB9488
So, Caterham R500 (RWD) that have same power/weight ratio than a bugatti veyron can do 0-60 in 2,9 seconds
Veyron do it in 2,4 (AWD).
luckplat 2 years ago 10
atom 300 in 2.8
popdancebeats 2 years ago
@popdancebeats
of course, but have better power/weight ratio than a Veyron
luckplat 2 years ago
@luckplat
power/weight ratio does not mean how fast you accelerate.
Power (bhp/PS) dictates top speed. that's why CCXR goes 417 km/h!
it is the torque/weight & gear ratio that shows you how fast this thing will shoot from 0-100.
but then, consumers don't understand torque. They know the term 'horse power'.
so, is it marketing purpose? you decide for yourself.
CCXR has a torque that is 1,060 N·m at 6100rpm.
and it happens to be a brand that does not need "marketing", and people still know it.
golferchin76 1 year ago
@golferchin76
Do you know this??:
Power = Torque * RPM
You need "n" Nm moltiplicate for "n" RPM for have the Power.!!
"power/weight ratio does not mean how fast you accelerate."
So i like you explaine why my poor Lotus Elise with ridiculus power can accelerate like a Maserati with 400Hp?
"Power (bhp/PS) dictates top speed"
Aerodinamic and friction coefficient (tires) is also important, that's why a Bike with only 180 Hp can do 290km/h
luckplat 1 year ago
I admit here that I actually don't know the equation :)
What I know is that if there's a hike in your torque curve at let say 6k rpm, you will feel the kick when it arrives there. Now if there's a hole in your curve (K20A), likewise you will feel sluggish in relation to torquey areas. That is why civic Type R has a gear ratio designed to not fall into that hole when you up shift. The sensation of acceleration does not follow POWER curve. It follows torque curve.
I own an Exige S. I can't
golferchin76 1 year ago
@luckplat
I can't really explain why your Elise can accelerate insanely fast, but I know 1st, Elise is 750kg I suppose? Maseratis are really heavy and engine is just not enough so to not step on the big brother's toes (Ferrari).
Power really dictates top speed, above 200km/h, 80% of your horse is fighting the air. and you will be surprised by the coefficient of drag of Bikes. They are less efficient than a car. That is why given the power/weight ratio I don't see production bikes over 300km/h.
golferchin76 1 year ago
@golferchin76 check out the wikipedia page on the suzuki hayabusa. there is a bike that does 300kph plus. the wiki page also explains why you don't see production bikes going that fast, it turns out its because of a gentleman's agreement to facilitate the sale of their bikes to certain foreign countries. yet again you are wrong and i'm using facts to correct you. STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR ARSE!!
analogorithm 1 year ago 19
@analogorithm wiki is such a mekka for facts xD
azir64 1 year ago
@azir64 alright then, why don't you just show me where exactly those facts are wrong. bring a source, because randomly commenting crap in small doses doesn't make me wrong. i double checked the wiki page, it's just the easiest source to cite because of it's mass appeal and the fact that they don't allow links in these comments.
analogorithm 1 year ago
@analogorithm wikipedia isnt always right anyone can change it
yuyusuck 7 months ago
@yuyusuck that is true, anyone can edit wikipedia, but it's quite easy to check the source material listed on the page. if you had done so you would realize that the speed figures for the hayabusa are quoted from two reputable sources, motorweek and sport rider. besides that, this wasn't in question to begin with, it's common knowledge that the busa had a top speed above 300 kph, i don't understand why you bothered to post this response. i could be mean, but instead i'll leave it at that.
analogorithm 7 months ago
@analogorithm i know it can
yuyusuck 7 months ago
@yuyusuck why did you respond with this? it's obvious you didn't know this, or else you would not have posted that first comment. i hope you learned something from this, wikipedia isn't always right, but they make it really easy to check if something is properly cited from a reliable source. remember, do your research, and then talk.
analogorithm 7 months ago
@analogorithm why are you getting so defensive and yes i know the fact is true but i am saying dont use wikipedia as a source as anyone can edit it i can go on and type in george washington was the 3rd presiden of the us
yuyusuck 7 months ago
@yuyusuck you obviously don't know how Wikipedia works.
deromegadrei 5 months ago
@deromegadrei yes i do but anyone can go on there and change statistics
yuyusuck 5 months ago
@yuyusuck You can change a statistic, but most popular wikipedia pages have such a large array of editors and experts on that particular field, that your alteration will be reverted in no time. Lets say you go onto the Mazda RX-8 Wiki page, and change the fact that it has a rotary engine, to a V6 (just an example), then all the people that regularly update that page will get a notification in their inbox, and obviously they will change it again...
deromegadrei 5 months ago