its ok my fellow greeks we dont need to prouve to non of theses scums who was alexander and makedonia,,,,they just gonna find out out the hard way when we will slaughter them,,,thats it then the b.a.s.t.r will know what kind of people we are when barbarians fuck with us.tha tous gammisoume olousssssss
Its obvious that whoever made this video has a very poor understanding of the history of The Republic of Macedonia. None of the so called `facts` are correct but it doesn't matter because no number of retarded propaganda videos will be able to change the true facts.. We were, are and allways will be Macedonian.
re ai sto dialo vlakako esy de xereis pou krataei h skoufia sou sto telos 8a mas peis oti o megas alexandros htan alvanos oksw re!kateva apo to kladi sou k pigene se kana sxolio..
The residents of ancient Macedonia were speaking greek. Alexander himself was speaking greek. His parents were greek. The coins of Alexander and Phillip's nation have greek letters on them. The graves of both of them have inscriptions written in greek. What else do you want to believe that MACEDONIA IS GREEK?
In 1941 when Hitler's army entered Skopje, there were thousands of Bulgarian flags there to greet them and the German army was welcome as liberators. King Boris of Bulgaria was received in 1942 in Skopje as a liberator. The Communist Part of Skopje left the C.P. of Yugoslavia and joined the Bulgarian Communist Party, and Western literature was read in Skopje in the Bulgarian language.
After 1913 whilst Greece and Bulgaria exchanged their nationals (96,000 Bulgarians and 46,000 Greeks were exchanged) the same was not done for Serbia which retained its Bulgarian nationals, changed their names (ending of IC) and obliged their children to be taught Serbian at school.
The endeavor however of the Serbs to make Serbs out of the Bulgarians was not successful
Skopje belongs to the former teritorry of Ancient Dardania not Macedonia.Alexander the Great is Greek.OK so you don't believe me.Try a DNA test you are Slavs not Macedonians.You just have a portion of Macedonia
All you fyromians are answering in Historical FACTS with: 1.fuck you Greece 2.we will show you 3.greeks and bulgarians tell lies 4.scientists say lies 5.you are gay 6.If my grandmother had testicles would be my grandfather 7.Solun was an ancient macedonjan city. The bad Greeks changed the name after 1912 8.Macedons had distinct Language but we cannot prove it. Lack of Evidence justifies us. 9.your mother...etc 10.Greeks were Nazi's collaborators (!) 11. you are stupid LIKE KIDS!!
ok so you are the descedent of Alexander the Great right ?
Try to read this:«Αλέξανδρος Φιλίππου και οι Ελληνες πλην Λακεδαιμονίων --»
Everybody acknowledges that this was written by Alexander the Great.Now how come every single Greek can translate this and you can't.Let me tell you what it means exactly "Alexander of Phillip and Greeks except Lakedemonians--"
Φίλε που είσαι από πίσω από το φιλμάκι. Ένα μεγάλο εύγε. Από τα καλύτερα βίντεο που έχω δει συμπυκνώνει την ουσία της ελληνικής θέσης προς τους ξένους φίλους μας. Με επιχειρήματα και χωρίς κραυγές.
your boulgarian unsestors had a problem in 1946 when the yugoslav communist leader tito desided that from know on they will be named macedonians ,they reacted back then , as they will react in the near future for their new identity whatever will be this time. it must be terible to be a huge nothing like you former yugo macedonski in a corner of the world that so much civilization flurished , but you have no right to use the the greek heritage of macedonia as yours . Europe is not yugoslavia
As the great Greek orator Demosthenes said Athenians hated Macedonians and they will always will.
Most of Demosthenes' major orations were directed against the growing power of King Philip II of Macedon. Since 357 BC, when Philip seized Amphipolis and Pydna, Athens had been formally at war with the Macedonians. In 352 BC, Athenian troops successfully opposed Philip at Thermopylae,] but the Macedonian victory over the Phocians at the Battle of Crocus Field shook Demosthenes.
athenians hated spartans too.they did many many wars! but it was a common knowlegde that they were all, greeks!! that doesnt change that macedonians were greek tribe!! the fact that in the ancients times where was no unity in the greek cities, doesnt make them non-greek! ffs, pls stop "growling" and THINK! its tiring to have to answer to stupid comments.....
Slavic tribes came in the Balkans a looong time before the bulgarians did. The first bulgarians came in the Balkans in 680 A.D. under the rule of han Asparuh and they united with the slavs. The Byzantin ruler Konstantin lV atacked Bulgaria first, they never tought about going to Greece!
About Macedonia, however you're absolutely right :D
In Macedonia there are 2.500.000 Macedonians and they are all proud for being Greek. Maybe ask instead the Bulgarians who are living in FYROM under your fascist state, about lies and propaganda.
Herodotus stated quite clearly that Perdiccas, the first recorded king of Macedonia, and his descendants were Greeks and there is no reason why we should not take the Father of History's word on this fundamental point..
John Crossland, British archaeologist and Diana Constance, "Macedonian Greece", p.16, W.W. Norton & Company (September 1982)
Encyclopedia of Canada's Peoples - Page 289 by Paul Robert (EDT) Magocsi - 1999. "The primary reason for the decline in numbers from the period before World War II is that many Canadians who previously claimed a Bulgarian identity now describe themselves as macedonians..."
-The treaties of San Stefano (1878), London (1913) , Versailles (1919), the Congress of Berlin (1878) and others; all of which dealt with the Macedonian question, made no reference even to small group declaring themselves as 'ethnic' Macedonians, only Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks, Muslims and other minorities.
Οι Μακεδονες ηταν Ελληνες και αυτο πιστευαν για τον εαυτο τους. Αλλα και οι λαοι (Περσες, Εβραιοι, Αιγυπτιοι κ.λ.π) δεν τους ξεχωριζαν απο τους Ελληνες. Οναμαζαν το Μεγα Αλεξενδρο ..βασιλεα των Ελληνων.. Ο Αποστολος Παυλος οταν ηρθε να πρωτοκηρυξει το χριστιανισμο, στους Φιλιππους, στη Θεσσαλονικη, στη Βεροια στα Ελληνικα κηρυξε και στα Ελληνικα εγραψε τις δυο ..προς Θεσσαλονικεις.. επιστολες του, και την ..Φιλιππησιους..
ApollwNotos Υou mention that St. Paul wrote his epistles to the Thessalonians in Greek. True. You fail to mention that his epistles were written to the JEWS of Thessalonica, who, living in Thessaloniki (whose original "macedonian" name we are supposed to believe is Solun) spoke Greek as their language, as millions of their Jewish brethren around the world did, at the time. To communicate with the Jews of Beroia and Thessaloniki, Paul had to to speak and write in Greek.
Οι Σλαβοι εμφανιστηκαν στα βαλκανια επι Βυζαντιου. Δηλαδη πολλους αιωνες (περιπου 1.000 χρονια μετα το Μεγα Αλεξανδο. Η γλωσσα που μιλουσαν οι αρχαιοι Μακεδονες ειναι η Ελληνικη, οπως μαρτυρουν οι δεκαδες επιγραφες και τα αρχαια μνημεια. Η Θρησκεια και ο πολιτισμος τους ηταν ολοιδια με των υπολοιπων Ελληνων.
Την Ελληνικη γλωσσα και τον Ελληνικο πολιτισμο διεδωσε εξ αλλου ο Αλεξανδρος στις χωρες της Ανατολης, μεχρι τη μακρινη Ινδια, μεχρι την Αιγυπτο.
The attempts made by Skopje to provide evidence for their allegations by using faulse maps did not work. No matter how hard one may try, there are no maps anywhere in the world edited before 1944, which quote the word "Macedonia" for any other country or region except for Greece.
Fyromians: They steal from Greeks Ancient History and Heroes. From Bulgarians Heroes and History and language. From Albanians Mother Teresa. And latelly they claim that EGYPTIANS were speaking and writing "ancient macedonjian"! THEY are causing constantly problems! They "avoid to remember" that their "language" is a Bulgarian dialect and they had NO alphabet & grammar till 1944 when was first constructed by Comunist Tito's regime and that 're Slavs appeared in area after 600 AC
Alexander the Great (Greek: Αλέξανδρος ο Μέγας or Μέγας Aλέξανδρος, Megas Alexandros; July 20 356 BC -- June 10 323 BC), also known as Alexander III, was an ancient Greek king (basileus) of Macedon (336--323 BC). He was one of the most successful military commanders in history, and was undefeated in battle.
All you fyromians are answering in Historical FACTS with: 1.fuck you Greece 2.we will show you 3.greeks and bulgarians tell lies 4.scientists say lies 5.you are gay 6.If my grandmother had testicles would be my grandfather 7.Solun was an ancient macedonjan city. The bad Greeks changed the name after 1912 8.Macedons had distinct Language but we cannot prove it. Lack of Evidence justifies us. 9.your mother...etc 10.Greeks were Nazi's collaborators (!) 11. you are stupid LIKE KIDS!!
Vardarska it was indeed and it Included Kosovo as well, the Banovini were according to the major rivers in the district. As you can clearly see on the same map, Serbia is divided into Dunavska(by the Danube) and Moravska(by Morava) also rivers, same applies to the rest of the provinces.
this is an Albanian urban legend!(like our Greek-Chinese in the area of Unan in China!)the truth is that before WW2 there was about 60-70000 Chams in thesprotia.most of the Cham population cooperate with Nazis and cause of there actions they take what they deserved.Actually this in also not true,because they realise what is going to happen to them after Nazi-German collapsed,and they evacuate the area and went to Albania.NOBODY Harm the Chams that not cooperate with Nazis(Red Cross,UN,1947)
Not all the Chams but a big number of them were Nazis accomplishes. On the other hand there were many Chams that didn't want Nazis neither Italian fascists and did fight for Greece.
My Uncle Vasilis was killed by one of them dressed with Nazi uniform in 1944. The same Cham killed HIS brother because the late supported Greeks ans not Germans. My aunt ( Vasili's wife) was raped and her children were kidnnaped.SAD.Chams that were Nazi accomplishes were mainly expelled.
I don't think that you can say that most of the Chams cooperated with the Nazis. There might have been some of them in the German army and that is it. But what is true is that not only the men but even women and children were expelled.
In anyway we (Greeks and Albanian) need to find solutions for these problems and strengthen our friendship, like in the ancient times.
And what about their feelings?They are feeling Greeks.And also in All the area of Greece exists about 800000 Albanians not only in Thesprotia.But they are immigrants.The Albanian Minority in Greece count about 1200 people(civilians calculation 1994).
Orestes (son of Agamemnon of Mycines) after killing his mother (Clytemnestra), was exiled in the northern Greece and created a city named Argos Orestikon!
Alexander (grand father of Alexandros the Great) in order to take part in Olympic Games he proved that he was Greek from Oreste's genealogical tree!
By The Way:
Only Greeks had the Honor to participate in Olympic Games.
Olympias (376--316BC) apparently was originally named Myrtale or Mistilis. Later she was named Olympias as recognition of Philip's victory in the Olympic Games of 356 BC.
She was mother of Alexander and the wife of Philip, she descent from the lineage of Aeacidae (a very well respected family of Greece since Achilles). She was daughter of Neoptolemus King of Epirus, descent from Neoptolemus son of Achilles, basis of Alexander's claims to be a new Achilles and a descendant of him!
Macedonia is Greece means that the name is Greek and has nothing to do with claiming land from other countries.
We have good reasons to beleive that Fyrom will cause serious troubles destabilizing the region according to USA and Soros plans (known from 1996). USA never wanted Europe to be united and strong and of course never wanted Russia to get ivnolved in worlds @ EU energy supplies. Nowdays Russia supplies the 40% to EU, meanig that EU gets more independent from American control.
can you imagine a country /state i.e Russia or Turkey changes its nane in Europe?
Can you imagine what problems it could cause if we accept that?.. They could claim and ask ( based on their name ) everything that has the prefix europ -, european - etc.
they think that, but they are not getting anything, regardless of the name. So what about soros? What plans? I don't think it's necessarily the US that does "divide and conquer", but the true rulers of the world. Being dependent on russia isn't the best thing, The problem with energy is, Europe does not have a unified plan or policy. Each country does whatever and criticize other countries for doing the same...
I don't think it's necessarily the US that does "divide and conquer", but the true rulers of the world.
Eveybody eveywere all the times PRACTICES the "divide and conquer". This is the only way to control and rule, any society, country and even the world. Political parties, football & bascetball funs, religions and their heresies, fashion trends, social and any other discrimination, are some of the techniques to rule (i.e. remember the tower of Babel !).
Turkish party have formed a great "working" relationship in hurting the country. The Turkish party is the most corrupt, and openly so, turks, pomaks and gypsies get paid to vote for them! Last fall for the local government elections there were buses coming from Turkey with people coming to vote, and asking their passports to be stamped. Are the Rhodopes being turkanized again?
Is there anybody in the balkans who want's peace? I'm tired with claiming war. albanians against greeks..greeks against albanians...slavs against themselfs and against albanians...greeks against bulgarians...What a mess...What will happen tomorrow? Isn't peace better than war?
ulkonja, of course we want peace. But I don't want a forced, fragile, "facade" peace. I want a more mature and deep understanding in the Balkans, and for this to happen you have to set everything straight as much as you can, to finish the healing process and go from there. There has to be openness and understanding. No falsification of history. In fact you know what, we have to negotiate all countries to read the same history textbooks. But seriously, I think it's unfair for Greece to say
"Macedonia is Greece". If it is in defense to fyrom, I'll understand it, but then Macedonia is also in fyrom and Bulgaria, and used to be Bulgarian Aegean. So are we now really trying to be fair to everyone or are we trying to be hypocritical? I don't wanna see anymore countries pulling the strings for their own agendas. I wanna see fairness, and real peace. But what happens tomorrow, I don't know.
THats the point ! Fyrom wants to monopolize the name and then to claim FREEDOM and land for the Bulgarian but mainly fromm Greece!
You see, Uncle Tito calculated well the problems that would appear AFTER re-baptizing Vardaska Banovina in .. macedonja, and giving these people new identity plus grammar and alphabet ( both stolen mainly from Bulgaria)..
if Fyrom get fucked up ( see Tetovars and Kosovars) they wil try to export their problems to Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia ( be sure that expect Fyrom and Albania , Turkey will gladly get involved...
and fyrom shouldn't. Sometimes I felt Greece was being excessive with the name change, but then I think, maybe it's a good lesson for them. My question is, will Greece monopolize the name "Macedonia" when fyrom changes its? Couldn't Greece force an agreement by which countries will agree they have no territorial claims, and that fyrom will stop stealing from the Hellenic heritage. Maybe it could have been more logical, because fyromians are getting confused today and start to question who they
are - at least the common folk. I feel they are starting to doubt if they are descendants of Alexander the Great, but not that they live in a geographical region called Macedonia. In Bulgarian 'macedonian' has been used to denote a slav/Bulgarian from that region, without confusing it with the ancient Macedonians. So the fyromians are used to using the term, it's just that they were brainwashed to believe it did exist as a nationality. But do you really think fyrom will ever have a chance
in succeeding to take land from Greece or Bulgaria? The most they will ever do is claim a minority. They have tried that in Bulgaria already - like last year, when Els de Groen got the crazy idea to suggest it officially in the Euro parliament, but we argued our case and showed them they had no idea about the situation.
The point is that new fyromian generation has been poissoned with the postcommunistic propaganda ( they are a very special ancient race, from them came Alexandros, Serbia, Burgaria and of course Greece stolen land and history from them.. etc
It is propaganda than even fyroms Academy disagrees clear-cut.
But kids dont read serious books in this area.....
i was saying, when it comes to controlling the world, including the Balkans, you can assume it's the US, but I think there's a big chance you're making a mistake. Containing fyromian lies is good, but sooner or later fyrom will collapse. Honestly I don't think what's going on right now - don't think anyone really does - but fyrom is a silyl threat. I'm a lot more worried with Turkey, and what goes one in the Bulgarian Rhodopes. And corruption in Bulagria, where the ex-communists and the ehtnic
Macedonia is Greece means that the name is Greek and has nothing to do with claiming land from other countries.
We have good reasons to beleive that Fyrom will cause serious troubles destabilizing the region according to USA and Soros plans (known from 1996). USA never wanted Europe to be united and strong and of course never wanted Russia to get ivnolved in worlds @ EU energy supplies. Nowdays Russia supplies the 40% to EU, meanig that EU gets more independant from America's chariot.
awareness of the de-bulgarization of the Aegean. I know there are accords signed between Bulagria and Greece that ensure the borders would not be changed and that Greece cannot be held accountable for the lost property of Bulgarians, so what should Greece be afraid of? Maybe one day even a monument in the Aegean, because those were hundreds of thousands of people. That's all
Well said Omega, work in peice. Thanks of rsupporting us in Fyrom. Bulgaria knows the Aegean is now Greek. We are just trying to get the historic record straight. The only goal for Bulgaria, during the Ottoman times, and after, was free and united Bulgaria. My Bulgaria would never try to steal land from other. I have found some sources that show there were about 3 times more Bulgarians than Greeks in the Aegean. I can show you quotes, and also maps that prove the quotes. I think we just want
They need a history for continuing thei'r egsistence. There are not macedonians in Macedonia. There are bulgarians albanians and( I recently knew) a greek minority. Macedonia is a "stato fantoccio". Probably in the future they will cantonize the territory by ethnic divisions.(smth like switzerland).
... exept the "fact" tha Alexander was Salv and that Greeks were the first Nazi accomplishes (oh yes!!!lol) they claim Tsar Samuil and other heroes from Bulgarias newest history ..Anyway. Lets work in peace. Now we are becoming a bigger family. Lets get stronger too.!
the whole mess with fyrom is the result of the Serbian chauvinism. They occupied it and tried to make them feel serbian. When they failed, they told them they were a separate Macedonian nation. Tito's Yugoslavia gave them ethnicity, language, alphabet, history - all artificial. But Serbs always felt Vardarska was "Southern Serbia", and even today some Serbs say that. I'm saying this because Serbia is traditionally an ally of Greece. It is much better for Greece to cooperate with Bulgaria.
"When the Turks and the Bulgarians left, Macedonia remained a purely Greek region"
Henry Morgenthau Serving in Greece between 1925 and 1926 as President of the Committee on Refugees for the Community of Nations; in his book 'I was sent to Athens'.
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Lord Salisbury, representing Britain at the Congress of Berlin, said at the session of 19 June 1878:
E.M. Cousinery, who served as French consul in Thessaloniki: "Voyage dans la Macedoine" (Paris, 1851) that:
"the BULGARIANS never penetrated into the forests below Mt. Vermion, where the population remained Greek".
The German geographer Leonard D. Schultze, "Macedonien Landschafts und Kulturbilder" (Jena, 1927) observes that in terms of language, tradition, cultural affinities, national will and religion the inhabitants of Macedonia are "as genuinely Greek as their brothers to the south".
VWaudiRules: i respect your input in this issue. But i prefer to read European history books (Not Greek neither Bulgarian), because they are unbiased. No one is innocent. Crimes were commited both sides. But you avoid to mention crimes commited from the Bulgarian side. I am not surprised. Also, I will not surprised if in your books you state that No crime was commited from Bulgarians and Vardarskans.
No worries. Nowdays we belong to European Family. If you want to go back in time feel free!
No, we don't want to go back, but I am for clearing the historical record, that's all. Maybe crimes were committed by Bulgarians, but I have yet to see where and when. For good or for bad, Bulgarians are very tolerant. We had jewish communities even before ottoman times - jews escaping persecution from elsewhere, including the Byzantine Emprie. But have you heard of Henri Pozzi's "Black hand Over Europe"(1935)? Not too many westerners backed up Bulgaria in those times, but this frenchman does.
is this response for me? I really don't see the connection between the Aegean's transformation from Bulgarian majority to Greek majority and the Turks' view of the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans had only military might to take land from others and turn them into slaves. In the Aegean, Bulgarian influence had built up slowly and naturally, over centuries. The Ottomans were a minority in liberated Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia. In liberated Aegean, the Bulgarians were a majority. To this day I don't
E.M. Cousinery, who served as French consul in Thessaloniki: "Voyage dans la Macedoine" (Paris, 1851) that:
"the BULGARIANS never penetrated into the forests below Mt. Vermion, where the population remained Greek".
The German geographer Leonard D. Schultze, "Macedonien Landschafts und Kulturbilder" (Jena, 1927) observes that in terms of language, tradition, cultural affinities, national will and religion the inhabitants of Macedonia are "as genuinely Greek as their brothers to the south".
but I find it offensive and angering that you omit important facts about the history of the Aegean, I assume with not intent to do so. Hundreds of thousands of Bulgarians fled from there to Bulgaria proper, I have friends with roots from there. And all the Greek generals who engaged in what could be called "genocide" have statues all over the region. I don't believe this is up to the standard of what Greece claims to represent. This is why the IMRO turned against the Greek forces.
Well the same aproach teaches Turks to their Schools : we were very "polite" and tolerant with our subjects. Instead to thankfull because we did not eliminate them all ( see Greeks) they disobayed, revolt, they killed us and took our lands, claiming their freedom! They are unthanfull, gready, aggresive beasts. They also are ignorant because teach their children that Turks were and still are not friendly to them.
why the Greek generals and to come into the lands north of Thessaloníki. Bulgaria and Greece could have cooperated and driven the ottomans out of the Balkans. I support you in protecting your historical heritage from fyrom (who also attack the Bulgarian heritage)
Nowdays both countries have learned that collaboration works better for both sides.
We practice what we learned. Bulgarians (as Vardarskans and Serbs) always wanted an exit in tha Aegean sea. Now we offer that, mutually respecting & collaborating ( and not fighting) each other.
wait, you're going fast. What city is mt Verniom close to? I can't find a good map. Also, a lot of these quotes are after the expulsions and populations transfers have occurred. I'm just saying, some of those Aegean parts had a Bulgarian majority (not all) I'll find some quotes and stuff later, but this guy made a video out of western books to combat fyromians: watch?v=sJKVsAe0XaY
Some of the stuff supports my claims. It is good we are not fighting, but when Greeks say "Macedonia is Greece",
I find it a little disturbing, because a good part of the Aegean was Bulgarian, and to quote your foreign minister Dora "Macedonia is a geographical region of which 9% belongs to Bulgaria, 53% belongs to Greece, and 38% to the Republic of Macedonia", or something like that. As far as I understand, the whole point of the name change is for fyrom not to monopolize the name "Macedonia". In addition, upon joining WWI, Bulgaria already had access to the Aegean, but wanted to "liberate the brothers"
to Greece and it was repopulated with Greeks from Asia Minor and some from Bulgaria. This is how the Aegean became Greek - killing, burning, expelling and population transfers. There are plenty historic maps to prove it, there is still some Bulgarian architecture in the Aegean, as there is Bulgarian music (Northern greek - different than all other greek music, but similar to all Bulagrian).Today Bulgaria has no territory claim on Greece, and I appreciate supporting the truth about Vardar,
formed to fight Turks and liberate Aegean, Vardar and Pirin from the Ottomans (given to them at the congress of Berlin). In the Aegean, beginning with the Balkan wars, greek generals started coming into the Aegean (while Bulgarian forces were kicking out the Ottomans out of Europe) and were dismayed to find Bulgarian villages. There are numerous accounts to what they did to them - vullages burned, people slaughtered, sometimes at an Orthodox church. Eventually all of the Aegean was lost to
Although never conquering Salonika, that city was not always only Greek - it had a massive Slavic/Bulgarian population, and later during the Ottoman years, jews. Bulgaria gained its independence initially through the treaty of San Stefano, which was based on the Bulgarian Exarchate - where the majority felt they were Bulgarian and voluntarily decided to join the Bulgarian church. The Bulgaria-Greece line was close to Salonika. You can see foreign maps that show it. The IMRO was not initially
The Slavs came to the Balkans earlier than 700AD, maybe even as early as 200AD. Don't forget, a lot of those lands were Thracian before the Slavs, not Greek, and the Slavs intermixed with the Thracians. They were legally part of the Byzantine empire and paid taxes, but were attempting to make their own state, and managed so in 681 when the Bulgar tribes came to the Balkans and together with the Slavs defeated Byzantine. The resulting Bulgarian state was always in struggle with Byzantine.
Eugene Borza, Historian, Professor, and Archeologist, whom the American Philological Association refers to as the "Macedonian specialist" wrote:
Modern Slavs, both Bulgarians and Macedonians, CANNOT establish a link with antiquity, as the Slavs entered the Balkans centuries after the demise of the ancient Macedonian kingdom. Only the most radical Slavic factions—mostly émigrés in the United States, Canada, and Australia—even attempt to establish a connectio to antiquity.
Why are we ashamed and flee from the truth that whole positive Macedonian revolutionary tradition comes exactly from exarchist part of Macedonian people. We shall not say a new truth if we mention the fact that everyone, Gotse Delchev, Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov, Pere Toshev - must I list and count all of them - were teachers of the Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia."
Georgievski in his book "С лице към истината" (Facing the truth)
A "makedonski ethnicity" NEVER appear in ANY population census and marital status register. The turkish NÜFUS (marital status register) and the turks Evliya Celebi (1669) and Hilmi Pasha (1904) mention all known populations but no "macedonians" NOT EVEN ONE. Same in the official population census of yugoslavia (1940), and same in the statics of the Society of the Nations (1926). You were known as Bulgars because you were, you are and you will always be a BULGAR.
its ok my fellow greeks we dont need to prouve to non of theses scums who was alexander and makedonia,,,,they just gonna find out out the hard way when we will slaughter them,,,thats it then the b.a.s.t.r will know what kind of people we are when barbarians fuck with us.tha tous gammisoume olousssssss
MTLSPARTAN 1 year ago
what is that song?
schutzstaffelSS88 1 year ago
@schutzstaffelSS88 this song is alexander the great,god bless iron maiden even they know the truth.
MTLSPARTAN 1 year ago
@MTLSPARTAN
Gracias!
schutzstaffelSS88 1 year ago
Dont touch half of FYROM its Albanian.
KAPISH
Interfacex 1 year ago
United Makethonia !!! no Skoje ! ever !
FYROMINJA 1 year ago
United Makethonia !!! no Skoje ! ever !
FYROMINJA 1 year ago
UNITED MACEDONIA!!!
thegreataleksandar 1 year ago
Which side do you look when you lie?
TheMakGreat 1 year ago
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skopje or skoupi is from greek word skoupi-dia=
SKOUPIDIA.english is CARBAGE AND THIS IS YOUR NAME CARBAGEDONIA OR SKOYPIDIADONIA
MAKEDONIA IS ONLY ONE AND IS GREEK!
MKDISGREEK 1 year ago
5*****
psilkakos 2 years ago
big nazi propaganda
legnaw 2 years ago
Its obvious that whoever made this video has a very poor understanding of the history of The Republic of Macedonia. None of the so called `facts` are correct but it doesn't matter because no number of retarded propaganda videos will be able to change the true facts.. We were, are and allways will be Macedonian.
TodeKarpos2 2 years ago
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@TodeKarpos2
there is an inscripted stone in the entrance of government building in Skopje for the pride of Ancient Macedonians :
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑΡΧΩΝ ΤΟΝ ΝΑΟΝ ΤΗ ΠΑΤΡΙΔΙΣΥΝ ΠΑΝΤΙ ΤΩ ΚΟΣΜΩ ΤΩ ΘΚΤ' ΕΤΕΙ
I m sure it will be easy for you to translate the language of your suposed ancestors lolski
hoplitespao 1 year ago
you're a bit wrong, man - the "skopyans" as you call them maintain a vigorous anti bulgarian politics today...
pittoBG 2 years ago
yparxei makedonikh glwssa? ahahahahahahaa oxi alles malakies!den exete istorio k klevete apo allous..!
ck88gr 2 years ago
re ai sto dialo vlakako esy de xereis pou krataei h skoufia sou sto telos 8a mas peis oti o megas alexandros htan alvanos oksw re!kateva apo to kladi sou k pigene se kana sxolio..
ck88gr 2 years ago
Stupid Gypsis.... Macedonia For The Macedonians! u are complete fat ethiopians!
carefreejoro 2 years ago
The residents of ancient Macedonia were speaking greek. Alexander himself was speaking greek. His parents were greek. The coins of Alexander and Phillip's nation have greek letters on them. The graves of both of them have inscriptions written in greek. What else do you want to believe that MACEDONIA IS GREEK?
You want our history? COME AND TAKE IT!
super3vamoscampeon 2 years ago 3
πας μη Έλλην βάρβαρος
ck88gr 2 years ago
Οι Μακεδόνες δε μπορούν
να ζούνε σκλαβωμένοι
όλα και αν τα χάσανε
η λευτεριά τους μένει.
Μακεδονόπουλα μικρά
χορέψτε και χαρείτε
προτού κι εσείς στα βάσανα
του κόσμου τούτου μπείτε
ck88gr 2 years ago
Είσαι και θα 'σαι ελληνική
Ελλήνων το καμάρι
κι εμείς θα σ' αντικρύζουμε
περήφανα και πάλι.
ck88gr 2 years ago
Μακεδονία ξακουστή
του Αλεξάνδρου η χώρα
που έδιωξες τους τύρρανους
κι ελεύθερ' είσαι τώρα.
ck88gr 2 years ago
ΜΟΛΟΝ ΛΑΒΕ!
ck88gr 2 years ago
Μολὼν λαβέ ! ΡΕΕΕΕ
ck88gr 2 years ago
In 1941 when Hitler's army entered Skopje, there were thousands of Bulgarian flags there to greet them and the German army was welcome as liberators. King Boris of Bulgaria was received in 1942 in Skopje as a liberator. The Communist Part of Skopje left the C.P. of Yugoslavia and joined the Bulgarian Communist Party, and Western literature was read in Skopje in the Bulgarian language.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
After 1913 whilst Greece and Bulgaria exchanged their nationals (96,000 Bulgarians and 46,000 Greeks were exchanged) the same was not done for Serbia which retained its Bulgarian nationals, changed their names (ending of IC) and obliged their children to be taught Serbian at school.
The endeavor however of the Serbs to make Serbs out of the Bulgarians was not successful
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Former
Yugoslav
Republic
Of
Manipulation
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago 2
LOL.... Gay (= Gay Iason = the poster of this video) can't handle the truth so he deletes comments and blocks accounts! LOL!
GaysonIsAFaggot 2 years ago
geia sou megale, etsi eksaplwste ta videos, bravo!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago 2
bravo megale!!!! aksios!!
makedonia is greece!!
MALAKOTRAVIHRTAS 2 years ago 4
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leave us alone stupid bitches!
Lululu909 2 years ago
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LIARS!!GO TO HELL!!
Lululu909 2 years ago
open a proper book of History.
Skopje belongs to the former teritorry of Ancient Dardania not Macedonia.Alexander the Great is Greek.OK so you don't believe me.Try a DNA test you are Slavs not Macedonians.You just have a portion of Macedonia
ellasole1 2 years ago
P.S. FUCK YOU!!!
Lululu909 2 years ago
5 stars defenently,this is a great opportunity for skopjans to learn the only history they have,MACEDONIA ETERNAL GREEK HOMELAND
patousetos 2 years ago 3
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amigos7 2 years ago
1.Nice fact there,you show you education
2.If that's a military threat,good come.Greece would never attack to other countries but be sure that we will defend our homeland
3....based on scientific evidence and historical facts you can examine yourself
4....and I am sure that you found a very good motive didn't you ? You didn't ??? Go back to university and pick Genetics
5.I am sure that the UN would love to hear this fact...and no she would have done an operation
7.Ancient Dardania you mean
ellasole1 2 years ago
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fuck greece
makedonija forever
greks r gypsy people
and gay also
M A K E D O N I J A I S G R E A T
gagoevox 3 years ago
Molon Labe
mndkm 2 years ago 5
ok so you are the descedent of Alexander the Great right ?
Try to read this:«Αλέξανδρος Φιλίππου και οι Ελληνες πλην Λακεδαιμονίων --»
Everybody acknowledges that this was written by Alexander the Great.Now how come every single Greek can translate this and you can't.Let me tell you what it means exactly "Alexander of Phillip and Greeks except Lakedemonians--"
ellasole1 2 years ago
Molon Labe!
mtvkriar91 3 years ago 4
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ξεκολλήστε μαλάκες!!
ksimi2002 3 years ago
Φίλε που είσαι από πίσω από το φιλμάκι. Ένα μεγάλο εύγε. Από τα καλύτερα βίντεο που έχω δει συμπυκνώνει την ουσία της ελληνικής θέσης προς τους ξένους φίλους μας. Με επιχειρήματα και χωρίς κραυγές.
panaglaw 3 years ago 3
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Oh dear. Its ok my love the truth is soon to come out. Long live MAKEDONIJA I MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD. Prodadeni dusi.
petaneli 3 years ago
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easolator555 3 years ago
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your boulgarian unsestors had a problem in 1946 when the yugoslav communist leader tito desided that from know on they will be named macedonians ,they reacted back then , as they will react in the near future for their new identity whatever will be this time. it must be terible to be a huge nothing like you former yugo macedonski in a corner of the world that so much civilization flurished , but you have no right to use the the greek heritage of macedonia as yours . Europe is not yugoslavia
audy1971 3 years ago
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My name is Gayson
I am OmegaAlfaDelta... My real name is Iason Stam... I write shitty music - look on my webpage on my channel...
TiLTRecordings 3 years ago
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dumbest video ever!
dimegos 3 years ago
where is çameria ???
vojvodaa 3 years ago
Make love, not war
zwoeler 3 years ago
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Skopia? ahahahahahahah man this is the most stupid video I've ever saw in my life ahahahahahaha
eurosinger18 3 years ago
change your name,you arent european and for sure you arent Macedonian :) WAKE UP SLAV
NuKeGr 3 years ago 4
I bet you didn't watch your own videos.
easolator555 3 years ago
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easolator555 3 years ago
As the great Greek orator Demosthenes said Athenians hated Macedonians and they will always will.
Most of Demosthenes' major orations were directed against the growing power of King Philip II of Macedon. Since 357 BC, when Philip seized Amphipolis and Pydna, Athens had been formally at war with the Macedonians. In 352 BC, Athenian troops successfully opposed Philip at Thermopylae,] but the Macedonian victory over the Phocians at the Battle of Crocus Field shook Demosthenes.
igorjas 3 years ago
athenians hated spartans too.they did many many wars! but it was a common knowlegde that they were all, greeks!! that doesnt change that macedonians were greek tribe!! the fact that in the ancients times where was no unity in the greek cities, doesnt make them non-greek! ffs, pls stop "growling" and THINK! its tiring to have to answer to stupid comments.....
nickui 2 years ago
hey stupid u have no history...u just felt down from the tries..
ck88gr 2 years ago
This is the best Video!
MichaelPaleos 3 years ago
Exellent video, a slap in the face of the Vardaskans, keep up the good work! 5*+
ellasAZ 3 years ago 5
hahahhahahhahahahahaha
MacedonianSoldier 3 years ago
fuck u bulgarian so;dier mamacata vasa vitola
georgeosgr 3 years ago
pws mporoume na steiloume pantou ayto to video
pio xaraktiristiko den yparxei!!!!
kai ayta ta kwlokanala na to paizoun synexeia!!!!
rebellecci 3 years ago
pas mi ellin varvaros
avida13 3 years ago
OmegaAlfaDelta, you got it wrong mate...
Slavic tribes came in the Balkans a looong time before the bulgarians did. The first bulgarians came in the Balkans in 680 A.D. under the rule of han Asparuh and they united with the slavs. The Byzantin ruler Konstantin lV atacked Bulgaria first, they never tought about going to Greece!
About Macedonia, however you're absolutely right :D
goper0 3 years ago 7
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more lies and propaganda... greeks are good at that .. arnt they...
GkillerDogg 3 years ago
In Macedonia there are 2.500.000 Macedonians and they are all proud for being Greek. Maybe ask instead the Bulgarians who are living in FYROM under your fascist state, about lies and propaganda.
divxakias 3 years ago 5
just read some hirodotos you fool!
avida13 3 years ago
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Fucken greek monkeys,
Macedonia belong to Macedonians, you like it or not,you have to give Aegean Macedonia back to Macedonians.
IT IS NOT YOURS - IT IS MACEDONIAN
1913 YOU STEEL IT FROM MACEDONIANS
WE WILL GET IT BACK WHAT EVER IT TAKES
MACEDONIAN PROMISE
BLOOD OD ALEXANDER OF MACEDONIA(THE GREAT )
PaunBTMakedonski 3 years ago
''ESTIN MEN ELLAS KAI H MAKEDONIA''[STRAVON]makedonia belong to greece.
roulagr 3 years ago 3
esti oun Hellas kai i Makedonia
ΕΣΤΙ ΟΥΝ ΕΛΛΑΣ ΚΑΙ Η ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ
Στραβων (Γεωγραφικα)
Therefore Macedonia too is Greece
Strabo (Geographica)
eismakedon 3 years ago 2
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losers!
3000 yrs ago!
GET OVER IT GREEKS!
stefdaman69 3 years ago
G A M A T O VIDEO , THANKS FILE.
xaxaxouxas 3 years ago 3
POLI KALO !!!!!
greek2l 3 years ago 6
bravo,5*
laktismaGr 3 years ago 8
Herodotus stated quite clearly that Perdiccas, the first recorded king of Macedonia, and his descendants were Greeks and there is no reason why we should not take the Father of History's word on this fundamental point..
John Crossland, British archaeologist and Diana Constance, "Macedonian Greece", p.16, W.W. Norton & Company (September 1982)
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
the macedonians are bulgarian,you idiot
NO GREEKS,THEY ARE BULGARYANS
sonikar 3 years ago 4
that's right plus that they are not Macedonians they are just Bulgarians!!!!!!!!!!
Greece and greek language is the key to knowledge
avida13 3 years ago 4
1. Macedonians spoke a dialect of the Greek language.
2. Macedonians had Greek names.
3. Alexander's name is Greek.
4. Philip's name is also Greek.
5. The regions of ancient Macedonia had Greek names.
6. Macedonian architecture was same to the Greek architecture.
7. Macedonians took part in the Olympic Games.
8. Macedonians celebrated the same festivals as the rest of the Greeks.
9. Macedonians worshiped the same Gods as the rest of the Greeks.
ApollwNotos 3 years ago 12
Apollw: not only the same gods but also THE SAME HEROES!!!!
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
THE list the main ancestors of the present FYROM inhabitants were people of the first Slavic tribes such as:
Brsjaci,
Dragudati,
Smoljani,
Rinhini,
Velegiziti and others of minor historical importance , that arrived in the area in the 6th century AD...
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Things that any Good Christian (or not) OUGHT to know:
1. Saint Paul wrote 2 letters to Thessalonikeis - not to any "solunians" or makedonsky
2. He wrote them in Greek language not in any "makedonsky" or Slavic tongue.
3. He sent the letters to the Greek city named Thessaloniki in the area of Makedonia -- not to any solun-city
4. This happened 2000 years ago
5. No solun NO macedonsky nation & language etc.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Encyclopedia of Canada's Peoples - Page 289 by Paul Robert (EDT) Magocsi - 1999. "The primary reason for the decline in numbers from the period before World War II is that many Canadians who previously claimed a Bulgarian identity now describe themselves as macedonians..."
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
-Prinz Tcherkasky Ethnography 1877
-The treaties of San Stefano (1878), London (1913) , Versailles (1919), the Congress of Berlin (1878) and others; all of which dealt with the Macedonian question, made no reference even to small group declaring themselves as 'ethnic' Macedonians, only Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks, Muslims and other minorities.
- No Macedonian nation-
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Οι Μακεδονες ηταν Ελληνες και αυτο πιστευαν για τον εαυτο τους. Αλλα και οι λαοι (Περσες, Εβραιοι, Αιγυπτιοι κ.λ.π) δεν τους ξεχωριζαν απο τους Ελληνες. Οναμαζαν το Μεγα Αλεξενδρο ..βασιλεα των Ελληνων.. Ο Αποστολος Παυλος οταν ηρθε να πρωτοκηρυξει το χριστιανισμο, στους Φιλιππους, στη Θεσσαλονικη, στη Βεροια στα Ελληνικα κηρυξε και στα Ελληνικα εγραψε τις δυο ..προς Θεσσαλονικεις.. επιστολες του, και την ..Φιλιππησιους..
ApollwNotos 3 years ago 2
Except of Alexandros's OWN words -that he was Greek-,
he had ancestors and descendants that were certifyied pure Greeks BUT himself was a non-Greek!.LOL.
His mother was from Achiles family and his Father from Argos Orestikon (ancient Greek city-state)But HE was ... not Greek!
Also Alexandros's father participated & won in Olypmics ( BEFORE CHAERONEA !!) but he was not Greek!
Pias'tavgo kai kourefto LOL
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
ApollwNotos Υou mention that St. Paul wrote his epistles to the Thessalonians in Greek. True. You fail to mention that his epistles were written to the JEWS of Thessalonica, who, living in Thessaloniki (whose original "macedonian" name we are supposed to believe is Solun) spoke Greek as their language, as millions of their Jewish brethren around the world did, at the time. To communicate with the Jews of Beroia and Thessaloniki, Paul had to to speak and write in Greek.
eismakedon 3 years ago 3
Οι Σλαβοι εμφανιστηκαν στα βαλκανια επι Βυζαντιου. Δηλαδη πολλους αιωνες (περιπου 1.000 χρονια μετα το Μεγα Αλεξανδο. Η γλωσσα που μιλουσαν οι αρχαιοι Μακεδονες ειναι η Ελληνικη, οπως μαρτυρουν οι δεκαδες επιγραφες και τα αρχαια μνημεια. Η Θρησκεια και ο πολιτισμος τους ηταν ολοιδια με των υπολοιπων Ελληνων.
Την Ελληνικη γλωσσα και τον Ελληνικο πολιτισμο διεδωσε εξ αλλου ο Αλεξανδρος στις χωρες της Ανατολης, μεχρι τη μακρινη Ινδια, μεχρι την Αιγυπτο.
ApollwNotos 3 years ago
When maps Reveal the Truth
The attempts made by Skopje to provide evidence for their allegations by using faulse maps did not work. No matter how hard one may try, there are no maps anywhere in the world edited before 1944, which quote the word "Macedonia" for any other country or region except for Greece.
Hermioni73 3 years ago
FYROM's official alphabet & grammar appeared for first time on the first issue of Nova Macedonja in 1944.
Till then your grandfathers had NO writing or grammar.
This "language" is a Bulgarian dialect.
So if we put down together all data, then Egyptians had a Bulgarian dialect!
Does Egypt agree with this?
Does Bulgaria know?
Does FYROM belong in this Earth?
Well except the problems you have created with Bulgarians, Greeks & Albanians now you are provoking and insulting EGYPTIANS too!
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Fyromians: They steal from Greeks Ancient History and Heroes. From Bulgarians Heroes and History and language. From Albanians Mother Teresa. And latelly they claim that EGYPTIANS were speaking and writing "ancient macedonjian"! THEY are causing constantly problems! They "avoid to remember" that their "language" is a Bulgarian dialect and they had NO alphabet & grammar till 1944 when was first constructed by Comunist Tito's regime and that 're Slavs appeared in area after 600 AC
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
usa-mac-dac : truth hurts !!!
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Alexander the Great (Greek: Αλέξανδρος ο Μέγας or Μέγας Aλέξανδρος, Megas Alexandros; July 20 356 BC -- June 10 323 BC), also known as Alexander III, was an ancient Greek king (basileus) of Macedon (336--323 BC). He was one of the most successful military commanders in history, and was undefeated in battle.
Hermioni73 3 years ago
Kataplhktiko !!!!!
Hermioni73 3 years ago
Read what FYROMs Mariya Stankovska-Dzamali [Epigraphist scientist] in Utrinski Vesnik
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
• Macedonians spoke a dialect of the Greek language.
• Macedonians had Greek names.
• Alexander the Great was Greek.
• Philip's is also Greek.
• The regions of ancient Macedonia had Greek names.
• Macedonian architecture was same to the Greek architecture.
• Macedonians took part in the Olympic Games.
• Macedonians celebrated the same festivals as the rest of the Greeks.
• Macedonians worshiped the same Gods as the rest of the Greeks.
divxakias 3 years ago
IMMITATION IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF FLATTERY! Let them claim ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΝ, ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΝ, ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΝ, who cares?
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Katapliktiko VIDEO FILE.........
divxakias 3 years ago
but in every UIniversity and serious history site Tsar Saqmuil is accepted as Bulgarian.
See Oxford or other citeed (edu) sites.
Anyway, I never used Greek texts or resources
from my presentations. Only from SCIENTIFIC sites ( ackowledged, serious and worldwide accepted).
Please do the same.
It is no need to fight
For a good Beggining go ask your ACADEMY ...
They are very serious and they dont usually lie.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Vardarska it was indeed and it Included Kosovo as well, the Banovini were according to the major rivers in the district. As you can clearly see on the same map, Serbia is divided into Dunavska(by the Danube) and Moravska(by Morava) also rivers, same applies to the rest of the provinces.
theMac3donian 3 years ago
Till 40's your areas name was VARDARSKA Banovina.
Till 1944 you had no alphabet (!) and grammar
Till 1992 you were a comministic "point" on the map without history.
AND NOW YOU ARE CLAIMING EVEN MOTHER TEREZA FROM ALBANIANS TSAR SAMUIL FROM BULGARIA AND OF COURSE ALEXANDROS FROM FREECE
YOU HAVE DONE LOTS OF ENEMIES in order to JUSTIFY YOUR EXISTENCE!!!!!
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Macodonia Is a Greek Word for High lander
JullzY 3 years ago
Well put. Keep up the good work!
FRDKNG 3 years ago
this is an Albanian urban legend!(like our Greek-Chinese in the area of Unan in China!)the truth is that before WW2 there was about 60-70000 Chams in thesprotia.most of the Cham population cooperate with Nazis and cause of there actions they take what they deserved.Actually this in also not true,because they realise what is going to happen to them after Nazi-German collapsed,and they evacuate the area and went to Albania.NOBODY Harm the Chams that not cooperate with Nazis(Red Cross,UN,1947)
GreekGabber281 3 years ago
very correct GreekGabber281
Not all the Chams but a big number of them were Nazis accomplishes. On the other hand there were many Chams that didn't want Nazis neither Italian fascists and did fight for Greece.
My Uncle Vasilis was killed by one of them dressed with Nazi uniform in 1944. The same Cham killed HIS brother because the late supported Greeks ans not Germans. My aunt ( Vasili's wife) was raped and her children were kidnnaped.SAD.Chams that were Nazi accomplishes were mainly expelled.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
I don't think that you can say that most of the Chams cooperated with the Nazis. There might have been some of them in the German army and that is it. But what is true is that not only the men but even women and children were expelled.
In anyway we (Greeks and Albanian) need to find solutions for these problems and strengthen our friendship, like in the ancient times.
BeratLA 3 years ago
i agree with this.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
And what about their feelings?They are feeling Greeks.And also in All the area of Greece exists about 800000 Albanians not only in Thesprotia.But they are immigrants.The Albanian Minority in Greece count about 1200 people(civilians calculation 1994).
GreekGabber281 3 years ago
If Filippos & Alexandros were not Greeks & "had" a language other than Hellenic where is a coin, an inscription, an artifact, in that language?
Everywhere you find written ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ ( Alexandros) in Greek?
What the hell!
He was the Mighty KING Fillipos and the Emperor Alexandros.
Why Macedons never wrote something in their ancestor's «language"?
Very Strange: Macedonians used -and Alexandros spread in his territories - the language of their enemies: The Greeks !!!!!
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
OmegaAlfaDelta, you truly don't have an idea what are you talking about. Greece vs. History 1:0
zwoeler 3 years ago
Orestes (son of Agamemnon of Mycines) after killing his mother (Clytemnestra), was exiled in the northern Greece and created a city named Argos Orestikon!
Alexander (grand father of Alexandros the Great) in order to take part in Olympic Games he proved that he was Greek from Oreste's genealogical tree!
By The Way:
Only Greeks had the Honor to participate in Olympic Games.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Olympias (376--316BC) apparently was originally named Myrtale or Mistilis. Later she was named Olympias as recognition of Philip's victory in the Olympic Games of 356 BC.
She was mother of Alexander and the wife of Philip, she descent from the lineage of Aeacidae (a very well respected family of Greece since Achilles). She was daughter of Neoptolemus King of Epirus, descent from Neoptolemus son of Achilles, basis of Alexander's claims to be a new Achilles and a descendant of him!
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
@~4'50", u write about the colour of the cross on our flag. it always was WHITE, not blue.
the swastika is a symbol frequently found in ancient cities of kriti (knwssos, faistos)
thank you!
Nektar1osD 3 years ago
clockwise swastika was a symbol of "good", of prosperity etc
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Macedonia is Greece means that the name is Greek and has nothing to do with claiming land from other countries.
We have good reasons to beleive that Fyrom will cause serious troubles destabilizing the region according to USA and Soros plans (known from 1996). USA never wanted Europe to be united and strong and of course never wanted Russia to get ivnolved in worlds @ EU energy supplies. Nowdays Russia supplies the 40% to EU, meanig that EU gets more independent from American control.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
can you imagine a country /state i.e Russia or Turkey changes its nane in Europe?
Can you imagine what problems it could cause if we accept that?.. They could claim and ask ( based on their name ) everything that has the prefix europ -, european - etc.
.....
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
they think that, but they are not getting anything, regardless of the name. So what about soros? What plans? I don't think it's necessarily the US that does "divide and conquer", but the true rulers of the world. Being dependent on russia isn't the best thing, The problem with energy is, Europe does not have a unified plan or policy. Each country does whatever and criticize other countries for doing the same...
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
I don't think it's necessarily the US that does "divide and conquer", but the true rulers of the world.
Eveybody eveywere all the times PRACTICES the "divide and conquer". This is the only way to control and rule, any society, country and even the world. Political parties, football & bascetball funs, religions and their heresies, fashion trends, social and any other discrimination, are some of the techniques to rule (i.e. remember the tower of Babel !).
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Turkish party have formed a great "working" relationship in hurting the country. The Turkish party is the most corrupt, and openly so, turks, pomaks and gypsies get paid to vote for them! Last fall for the local government elections there were buses coming from Turkey with people coming to vote, and asking their passports to be stamped. Are the Rhodopes being turkanized again?
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
we will see.
Turkey knows that has to deal with the Kurdish issue (30 million minimum) and will try to export some problems in Balcan.
We will see!
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Greek and Bulgarian shield is EU and Orthodoxy.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
let's hope
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
Is there anybody in the balkans who want's peace? I'm tired with claiming war. albanians against greeks..greeks against albanians...slavs against themselfs and against albanians...greeks against bulgarians...What a mess...What will happen tomorrow? Isn't peace better than war?
ulkonja 3 years ago
ulkonja, of course we want peace. But I don't want a forced, fragile, "facade" peace. I want a more mature and deep understanding in the Balkans, and for this to happen you have to set everything straight as much as you can, to finish the healing process and go from there. There has to be openness and understanding. No falsification of history. In fact you know what, we have to negotiate all countries to read the same history textbooks. But seriously, I think it's unfair for Greece to say
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
"Macedonia is Greece". If it is in defense to fyrom, I'll understand it, but then Macedonia is also in fyrom and Bulgaria, and used to be Bulgarian Aegean. So are we now really trying to be fair to everyone or are we trying to be hypocritical? I don't wanna see anymore countries pulling the strings for their own agendas. I wanna see fairness, and real peace. But what happens tomorrow, I don't know.
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
THats the point ! Fyrom wants to monopolize the name and then to claim FREEDOM and land for the Bulgarian but mainly fromm Greece!
You see, Uncle Tito calculated well the problems that would appear AFTER re-baptizing Vardaska Banovina in .. macedonja, and giving these people new identity plus grammar and alphabet ( both stolen mainly from Bulgaria)..
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
if Fyrom get fucked up ( see Tetovars and Kosovars) they wil try to export their problems to Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia ( be sure that expect Fyrom and Albania , Turkey will gladly get involved...
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
and fyrom shouldn't. Sometimes I felt Greece was being excessive with the name change, but then I think, maybe it's a good lesson for them. My question is, will Greece monopolize the name "Macedonia" when fyrom changes its? Couldn't Greece force an agreement by which countries will agree they have no territorial claims, and that fyrom will stop stealing from the Hellenic heritage. Maybe it could have been more logical, because fyromians are getting confused today and start to question who they
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
are - at least the common folk. I feel they are starting to doubt if they are descendants of Alexander the Great, but not that they live in a geographical region called Macedonia. In Bulgarian 'macedonian' has been used to denote a slav/Bulgarian from that region, without confusing it with the ancient Macedonians. So the fyromians are used to using the term, it's just that they were brainwashed to believe it did exist as a nationality. But do you really think fyrom will ever have a chance
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
in succeeding to take land from Greece or Bulgaria? The most they will ever do is claim a minority. They have tried that in Bulgaria already - like last year, when Els de Groen got the crazy idea to suggest it officially in the Euro parliament, but we argued our case and showed them they had no idea about the situation.
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
The point is that new fyromian generation has been poissoned with the postcommunistic propaganda ( they are a very special ancient race, from them came Alexandros, Serbia, Burgaria and of course Greece stolen land and history from them.. etc
It is propaganda than even fyroms Academy disagrees clear-cut.
But kids dont read serious books in this area.....
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
i was saying, when it comes to controlling the world, including the Balkans, you can assume it's the US, but I think there's a big chance you're making a mistake. Containing fyromian lies is good, but sooner or later fyrom will collapse. Honestly I don't think what's going on right now - don't think anyone really does - but fyrom is a silyl threat. I'm a lot more worried with Turkey, and what goes one in the Bulgarian Rhodopes. And corruption in Bulagria, where the ex-communists and the ehtnic
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
Fortunately Nothern Greece is now Shielded with the Russian-Greek-EU pipelines.
It will VERY difficult for Turky even to ATTEMPT to destabilize Balkans ( mainly Greece and Bulgaria (with 1 million Turks)
We will see.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
isn't that the pipeline that goes through Bulgaria too - Burgas-Alexandropolis
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
right
Bulgaria and Greece have been shielded ( and with them EU) with these pipelines.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Macedonia is Greece means that the name is Greek and has nothing to do with claiming land from other countries.
We have good reasons to beleive that Fyrom will cause serious troubles destabilizing the region according to USA and Soros plans (known from 1996). USA never wanted Europe to be united and strong and of course never wanted Russia to get ivnolved in worlds @ EU energy supplies. Nowdays Russia supplies the 40% to EU, meanig that EU gets more independant from America's chariot.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
awareness of the de-bulgarization of the Aegean. I know there are accords signed between Bulagria and Greece that ensure the borders would not be changed and that Greece cannot be held accountable for the lost property of Bulgarians, so what should Greece be afraid of? Maybe one day even a monument in the Aegean, because those were hundreds of thousands of people. That's all
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
i send you one mail few data with the European point of view of the situation in the Balcans and the problems from 1800 up to 1943.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Thank, I have responded in full. Hope it's not too much.
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
VWaudi : please chill out... LOL
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Well said Omega, work in peice. Thanks of rsupporting us in Fyrom. Bulgaria knows the Aegean is now Greek. We are just trying to get the historic record straight. The only goal for Bulgaria, during the Ottoman times, and after, was free and united Bulgaria. My Bulgaria would never try to steal land from other. I have found some sources that show there were about 3 times more Bulgarians than Greeks in the Aegean. I can show you quotes, and also maps that prove the quotes. I think we just want
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
They need a history for continuing thei'r egsistence. There are not macedonians in Macedonia. There are bulgarians albanians and( I recently knew) a greek minority. Macedonia is a "stato fantoccio". Probably in the future they will cantonize the territory by ethnic divisions.(smth like switzerland).
ulkonja 3 years ago
... exept the "fact" tha Alexander was Salv and that Greeks were the first Nazi accomplishes (oh yes!!!lol) they claim Tsar Samuil and other heroes from Bulgarias newest history ..Anyway. Lets work in peace. Now we are becoming a bigger family. Lets get stronger too.!
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
of course the VAST majority of them are of Bulgarian origin if not Bulgarians. Vardarskans language is Bulgarian dialect.
Their Academy says these thruths BUT they listen to their politicians and their home-made stories....
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
the Greek minority is about 200.000.....
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
the whole mess with fyrom is the result of the Serbian chauvinism. They occupied it and tried to make them feel serbian. When they failed, they told them they were a separate Macedonian nation. Tito's Yugoslavia gave them ethnicity, language, alphabet, history - all artificial. But Serbs always felt Vardarska was "Southern Serbia", and even today some Serbs say that. I'm saying this because Serbia is traditionally an ally of Greece. It is much better for Greece to cooperate with Bulgaria.
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
well?
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
"When the Turks and the Bulgarians left, Macedonia remained a purely Greek region"
Henry Morgenthau Serving in Greece between 1925 and 1926 as President of the Committee on Refugees for the Community of Nations; in his book 'I was sent to Athens'.
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Lord Salisbury, representing Britain at the Congress of Berlin, said at the session of 19 June 1878:
"Macedonia and Thrace are as Greek as Crete"
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
E.M. Cousinery, who served as French consul in Thessaloniki: "Voyage dans la Macedoine" (Paris, 1851) that:
"the BULGARIANS never penetrated into the forests below Mt. Vermion, where the population remained Greek".
The German geographer Leonard D. Schultze, "Macedonien Landschafts und Kulturbilder" (Jena, 1927) observes that in terms of language, tradition, cultural affinities, national will and religion the inhabitants of Macedonia are "as genuinely Greek as their brothers to the south".
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
VWaudiRules: i respect your input in this issue. But i prefer to read European history books (Not Greek neither Bulgarian), because they are unbiased. No one is innocent. Crimes were commited both sides. But you avoid to mention crimes commited from the Bulgarian side. I am not surprised. Also, I will not surprised if in your books you state that No crime was commited from Bulgarians and Vardarskans.
No worries. Nowdays we belong to European Family. If you want to go back in time feel free!
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
No, we don't want to go back, but I am for clearing the historical record, that's all. Maybe crimes were committed by Bulgarians, but I have yet to see where and when. For good or for bad, Bulgarians are very tolerant. We had jewish communities even before ottoman times - jews escaping persecution from elsewhere, including the Byzantine Emprie. But have you heard of Henri Pozzi's "Black hand Over Europe"(1935)? Not too many westerners backed up Bulgaria in those times, but this frenchman does.
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
Conclusion : Greeks are the bad ones.
All the rest (Vardarskans, Bulgarian, Serbs) are the Good one, the suffering martyrs.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
is this response for me? I really don't see the connection between the Aegean's transformation from Bulgarian majority to Greek majority and the Turks' view of the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans had only military might to take land from others and turn them into slaves. In the Aegean, Bulgarian influence had built up slowly and naturally, over centuries. The Ottomans were a minority in liberated Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia. In liberated Aegean, the Bulgarians were a majority. To this day I don't
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
well .. any serious unbiased history site to confirm your infos?..
I dont trust all i read - except if it comes from unbiased resources-.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
E.M. Cousinery, who served as French consul in Thessaloniki: "Voyage dans la Macedoine" (Paris, 1851) that:
"the BULGARIANS never penetrated into the forests below Mt. Vermion, where the population remained Greek".
The German geographer Leonard D. Schultze, "Macedonien Landschafts und Kulturbilder" (Jena, 1927) observes that in terms of language, tradition, cultural affinities, national will and religion the inhabitants of Macedonia are "as genuinely Greek as their brothers to the south".
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
but I find it offensive and angering that you omit important facts about the history of the Aegean, I assume with not intent to do so. Hundreds of thousands of Bulgarians fled from there to Bulgaria proper, I have friends with roots from there. And all the Greek generals who engaged in what could be called "genocide" have statues all over the region. I don't believe this is up to the standard of what Greece claims to represent. This is why the IMRO turned against the Greek forces.
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
Well the same aproach teaches Turks to their Schools : we were very "polite" and tolerant with our subjects. Instead to thankfull because we did not eliminate them all ( see Greeks) they disobayed, revolt, they killed us and took our lands, claiming their freedom! They are unthanfull, gready, aggresive beasts. They also are ignorant because teach their children that Turks were and still are not friendly to them.
Greeks are Bad!!!!
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
why the Greek generals and to come into the lands north of Thessaloníki. Bulgaria and Greece could have cooperated and driven the ottomans out of the Balkans. I support you in protecting your historical heritage from fyrom (who also attack the Bulgarian heritage)
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
Nowdays both countries have learned that collaboration works better for both sides.
We practice what we learned. Bulgarians (as Vardarskans and Serbs) always wanted an exit in tha Aegean sea. Now we offer that, mutually respecting & collaborating ( and not fighting) each other.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
wait, you're going fast. What city is mt Verniom close to? I can't find a good map. Also, a lot of these quotes are after the expulsions and populations transfers have occurred. I'm just saying, some of those Aegean parts had a Bulgarian majority (not all) I'll find some quotes and stuff later, but this guy made a video out of western books to combat fyromians: watch?v=sJKVsAe0XaY
Some of the stuff supports my claims. It is good we are not fighting, but when Greeks say "Macedonia is Greece",
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
I find it a little disturbing, because a good part of the Aegean was Bulgarian, and to quote your foreign minister Dora "Macedonia is a geographical region of which 9% belongs to Bulgaria, 53% belongs to Greece, and 38% to the Republic of Macedonia", or something like that. As far as I understand, the whole point of the name change is for fyrom not to monopolize the name "Macedonia". In addition, upon joining WWI, Bulgaria already had access to the Aegean, but wanted to "liberate the brothers"
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
to Greece and it was repopulated with Greeks from Asia Minor and some from Bulgaria. This is how the Aegean became Greek - killing, burning, expelling and population transfers. There are plenty historic maps to prove it, there is still some Bulgarian architecture in the Aegean, as there is Bulgarian music (Northern greek - different than all other greek music, but similar to all Bulagrian).Today Bulgaria has no territory claim on Greece, and I appreciate supporting the truth about Vardar,
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
formed to fight Turks and liberate Aegean, Vardar and Pirin from the Ottomans (given to them at the congress of Berlin). In the Aegean, beginning with the Balkan wars, greek generals started coming into the Aegean (while Bulgarian forces were kicking out the Ottomans out of Europe) and were dismayed to find Bulgarian villages. There are numerous accounts to what they did to them - vullages burned, people slaughtered, sometimes at an Orthodox church. Eventually all of the Aegean was lost to
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
Although never conquering Salonika, that city was not always only Greek - it had a massive Slavic/Bulgarian population, and later during the Ottoman years, jews. Bulgaria gained its independence initially through the treaty of San Stefano, which was based on the Bulgarian Exarchate - where the majority felt they were Bulgarian and voluntarily decided to join the Bulgarian church. The Bulgaria-Greece line was close to Salonika. You can see foreign maps that show it. The IMRO was not initially
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
The Slavs came to the Balkans earlier than 700AD, maybe even as early as 200AD. Don't forget, a lot of those lands were Thracian before the Slavs, not Greek, and the Slavs intermixed with the Thracians. They were legally part of the Byzantine empire and paid taxes, but were attempting to make their own state, and managed so in 681 when the Bulgar tribes came to the Balkans and together with the Slavs defeated Byzantine. The resulting Bulgarian state was always in struggle with Byzantine.
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
Eugene Borza, Historian, Professor, and Archeologist, whom the American Philological Association refers to as the "Macedonian specialist" wrote:
Modern Slavs, both Bulgarians and Macedonians, CANNOT establish a link with antiquity, as the Slavs entered the Balkans centuries after the demise of the ancient Macedonian kingdom. Only the most radical Slavic factions—mostly émigrés in the United States, Canada, and Australia—even attempt to establish a connectio to antiquity.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
Why don't you get a life ?
MacedonianCooPer 3 years ago
Why are we ashamed and flee from the truth that whole positive Macedonian revolutionary tradition comes exactly from exarchist part of Macedonian people. We shall not say a new truth if we mention the fact that everyone, Gotse Delchev, Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov, Pere Toshev - must I list and count all of them - were teachers of the Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia."
Georgievski in his book "С лице към истината" (Facing the truth)
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
A "makedonski ethnicity" NEVER appear in ANY population census and marital status register. The turkish NÜFUS (marital status register) and the turks Evliya Celebi (1669) and Hilmi Pasha (1904) mention all known populations but no "macedonians" NOT EVEN ONE. Same in the official population census of yugoslavia (1940), and same in the statics of the Society of the Nations (1926). You were known as Bulgars because you were, you are and you will always be a BULGAR.
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago
apla eksairetiko
bravo omega
GreekBooM 3 years ago
GrekBom den to eftiaxa egw to video, mou to estilan kai to evala ..
Bravo se afton pou to eftiaxe!
OmegaAlfaDelta 3 years ago