1 Pet. 3:21,The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) its an act of obedience for a good(clear) conscience.Obeying God's Word. As far as belief in God gives salvation ...James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.do you think the devils(fallen angels) are saved because they believe in God? Really now,think this all over.
The Apostle Paul explains in 1COR.10:1-2] how the children of Israel where Baptized and this commandment is continued in John Baptist in the spirit of Elias.If you believe Baptism to be nothing but ritual then you will never understand its importance.
FIRST One must be baptized,Paul said i was not sent to baptize but preach the Gospel to the gentiles!Baptism was a necessary next step..as Jesus in John3:5 told Nicodemus except a man be born of "water" and spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God .Baptism was so important God chose a man "before" the womb to fulfill prophesy that was foretold for hundreds of years.Look Baptism is only for freed people!even the children of Israel were not Baptized till they where freed from pharaoh
@mrbianco1979 HI,great question,...we have come to look at baptism as a harmless ritual we all went through and all we got was wet...consider baptism as being immersed in the cares, wickedness and evil of this world, until you truly understood the need for Gods righteousness and repentance...The thief obviously reached this point..remember we are still continuing the journey started by Adam and Eve "To know good and evil and chose Christ ...God bless
Comparing Abraham (Old covenant) to Christians (new covenant) is like comparing a cobra to a cat. They are two totally different set of laws. Christ, himself, said he was there to fulfill the law. Jesus himself was baptized to give and example to the believers of fulfilling the law. Your references to the "circumcised heart", as well as other references to the gospel as being what saves us are taken out of context. One must read the entire passage in context.
Salvation comes from obedience , obedience to the Gospel of Christ .. After hearing ( Romans 10:17 ) .. One must Believe , Repent and Be Baptized for the remission of sins ! Why ? ( Acts 2:37-38 , John 3:5 , 1 Peter 3:20-21 , Acts 8:30-39 , Ephesians 4:5 , Romans 6:1-6 )
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To those who point to the necessity of baptism for salvation: stop trying to add to the finished work of Christ. We are saved by grace through faith apart from works. Only sloppy eisegesis leads to the belief that Christ's blood alone is insufficient so baptismal waters must be added.
@awgamblin1987 ..Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned....Don't mistake an "action of faith" for "works". If you want to know what works are read " I Corinthians 3 " Your work is the product of your labours.
Maybe look at Hebrews 11 this explains what true faith really is. See if Noah listened to this and thought that all he had to do is believe that God was going to make it rain on earth, we wouldn't be here today. But praise God he had true faith and obeyed and did what God commanded and built the Ark of salvation. See the faith you talk about it mentioned in James 2:19 "you believe that God is one. You do well; the demons believe, and shudder"
if a person knows to believe in god jesus christ, or he walk close to bible, god holysprit will automatically tells him what he need to do?on that case he never miss his baptism.
@biblicalcreatures: John the Baptist received the Holy Spirit BEFORE he was even born! That destroys the notion you must be water baptized to be saved.
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. Luke1:15
The other thing ppl fail to recognize in Acts2:38 is that when someone is baptized IN THE NAME of Jesus, it simply means they were told about Him. See Acts8:16
Part 2 of my response: And, if Baptism was NOT essential then WHY did Christ get baptized? For righteousness sake (Matthew 3:15-17). Abraham lived by the old law and the new law is in Christ. Hence, baptism is ESSENTIAL in the NEW covenant; else WHY did Christ show the importance of being Baptize by John?
Then, how do you answer John 3:5 which states, " Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." It's pretty clear that baptism is essential. Also refer to Ephesians 4:5 which states,"One Lord, one faith, one baptism." Thus, these two scriptures makes it clear that being born again spiritually and being baptized by water is critical and essential for salvation! Furthermore, Baptism is a covenant.
Baptism is not a ritual. The scriptures never indicate it was. The truth is: the Apostles commanded it, they baptized Jewish and Gentile believers and we have no reason to believe it would be any different today. If a believer dies before he/she is baptized then they are at God's mercy just like the rest of us are after we die.
God will be gracious to whom he will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom He will show mercy. Exodus 33:19
Also, it would be a great help if Matt Slick backs up his claims with chapter and verse so that we can study the claims for ourselves and know the truth.
One more point. Paul, while talking about faith in chapter 4 goes on to mention baptism in chapter 6:4. We could speculate that he could be talking about the baptism of John but then, we have the 3,000 souls in Acts 2:41, Philip who baptized the eunuch in Acts 8:36, Peter who baptized Cornelius and the other Gentiles in 10:37 after receiving the Holy Spirit and believing. These verses cannot be ignored. Both Jews and Gentiles were baptized in water, I'm convinced, to seal their salvation.
In Romans 4:9 , Paul asks the question 'For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised?" The answer: before circumcision. He goes on to say that the circumcision is what SEALED the righteousness. Being that Christ commands us to change our lives according to our faith in him, why would baptism be any different than to seal our righteousness of faith?
Baptism is a physical thing that should produces a spiritual result! But so is laying hands on the sick.... Communion, works of repentance, confession users one's mouth. James say don't pray be warmed and filled-buy them a coat! In doing you minister the glory of God! Now if a sandwich can minister glory surely water baptism!
Was Jesus' water baptism by John symbolic or just a ceremonial? No, it was instrumental. It fulfilled righteousness the word, i.e, Jesus says. Our water baptism should be just as instrumental. "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased"
The first day of the christian church 3000 ppl had to repent, believe, confess Jesus as they were baptized and receive the Holy Ghost. so when d'if this process change?
The Letter of James also says Abe was made just by works, and also the woman who hid the spys. Faith AND works justify. But remember that works do not initially justify as said in ephesians, because grace is given to us in water baptism.
in john 3:5 'water' doesnt mean to baptism.it refers 'Gods Word'..read john13:10&15:3...also pls read in paul writings ephesians 5:26,titus 3:5,hebrew 10:22.. in james 1:18,..also read in peter writings 1peter 1:23, 2:2.. be rooted in God"s word and clench from all sins
The cross made it possible for man to be changed from DEATH to LIFE. Jesus removed the keys of HELL and the keys of DEATH from Satan. Death has no more power over us IF we follow Jesus through death burial and resurrection. HOW? by baptism into His name: Read Romans 6. DEATH to LIFE!
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:...
Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom. So what was Peter's message? Acts 2:38 Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins & you WILL receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is Christ. Baptism changes man from DEATH to LIFE called a conversion, regeneration & being born again into the family of God.
To 'BELIEVE' is not just a thought or a feeling. Believing is to act--take action. A true believer in Jesus Christ will follow Him and do His commandments. Jesus said to follow HIM through the door. HOW? By baptism into Jesus Christ & then you will receive the gift of promise. The promise was made to Abraham & that promise is Christ. SO, get born again into the family of God, it is the only way to have a relationship with Him and His Father. YOU can not believe your way into anyone's family.
Abraham's salvation is not the same as our salvation--period. But listen carefully to these scriptures
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ
Galatians 3:29 If ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Romans6 describes the process of baptism. Baptism converts you from DEATH to LIFE-Christ in you is your hope of Glory
John 6:28-29 Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God
requires?" Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the
one he has sent."
The baptism required by salvation is baptism by the Holy Spirit (which comes after true repentance), not baptism by man. Saying that a physical water baptism by man is a requirement for salvation, is saying that Jesus' death and resurrection is not enough.
@analogtherapy So very very wrong! ALL the deciples including Paul taught baptism(by water) into Jesus Christ Acts 2:38 also read Romans 6. Paul clearly explains the process of salvation so read it. Jesus commanded baptism so therefore if you believe on the one the Father sent then follow Him in the new birth. Baptism is a rebirth into the family of God, after we are raised out of the water we are made to drink the spirit(Holy Ghost). They go together-baptism we die & then the HG makes us alive.
@wilby1414 - I'm very sorry that you truly believe that, if someone believed with all their heart, and truly repented from and confessed their sins, that they STILL fail to be washed by the blood of Christ, if they have not been baptized by water. It's a heartbreaking and legalistic viewpoint, and is in stark contrast to the character of Christ Himself...
@analogtherapy You have to look at all the facts and then put everything in its proper place. First, Paul sends letter to the churches where everyone has already been baptized as Paul states. NOW, in Romans 6 Paul explains the process of baptism--read it. When we are in the water we are dead with Jesus, when we are raised out of the water we are made to drink the Holy Ghost & made alive IN CHRIST. Repentance and living for Jesus is a wanderful experience but is it salvation--NO. There is more!
@wilby1414 Peter was given the keys to the kingdom by Jesus--what was Peters message for salvation? Peter said, repent AND be baptized for the remision of sins THEN you will receive the GIFT (the Promise) from the Father--the HOLY GHOST.
Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Act 2:38 covers it all. ----So many lies that don't line up with scripture.
John 10:1
...He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber
@analogtherapy,, How can you say that someone believed with all his heart and had truly repented fhen refuse to obey the commandment of Jesus to be baptized. Please see Mark 16:15-16 and Acts 2:38.
@jundurias I didn't say "refuse" to be baptized. I did say "I'm not saying any believer should skip being baptized" and I have also said that a physical water immersion performed by another human being is not required for someone to receive the gift of salvation. Ephesians 2:8-9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast." Saved, by grace, through faith, not works. God bless you as well :)
@analogtherapy , Work is the product of faith. If you truly believe and truly repented what prohibits you to be baptized. There is no argument that a Christian is a baptized individual. If you are a believer you need to be baptized as soon as possible. Baptism should be in the Name of Jesus for the remission of sins.
@wilby1414 Now, just so you understand, I'm not saying any believer should skip being baptized. I myself have been baptized, and it was one of the most joyous moments in my life, a moment I shared with a crowd of Christ proclaiming brothers and sisters. But that is what baptism is meant to be. A public proclamation of our belief, our transformation, our Savior. It is NOT the moment of salvation.
@wilby1414 Lastly, how would you explain the transformation of the heart when one repents, if/when they have not experienced a baptism at the same time? I'll reference 1 Cor. 5:17 - "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!" as I myself was transformed in this way, 2 years before my baptism. Who are you to deny that transformation, to deny the power of the Holy Spirit whom transformed me? Consider 2 Peter 2:1 before your say any more.
@analogtherapy Repentance does NOT save you!! Repentance is a change of heart -- a change toward serving the Lord -- a change that leads to salvation if you follow His commandments. Jesus Christ commanded baptism into His name which includes the free gift of the Holy Ghost.
Living for God will give you a new direction but it is NOT salvation unless you complete the entire process of being converted from a DEATH state (Adam) to a LIFE state (Christ) accomplished through baptism into Jesus Christ
@TheBus1992 Wrong wrong wrong--how can so many people be progating the same lie over & over?
If you think Jesus was refering to our physical birth then He could have said you must be on the earth and breathing first then you can be saved by the spirit. STOP making up your own salvation, in doing so you have to ignor alot of scriptures. Scriptures that tell us to be baptized into Jesus Christ for remission of sins--plus read Romans 6 where Paul clearly explains the process of baptism----THINK!!!
I would also like to point out that Jesus says in Matthew 7:1 "Not all who say unto me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but those who have done the will of My Father who is in heaven WILL ENTER." If we do the will of God (not part of it, all of it.) we will enter. This includes not only believing, but baptism and repentance.So yes, Jesus himself said not everyone who believes he is lord will enter heaven.
@morgancole95 we are called to go out and Evangelize, preach the gospel, which is "doing". Baptism can only come after salvation, which means baptism is not a necessity for salvation, it is a declaration of the death of your previous life and being reborn into new life. And salvation is not an act, we are actually the ones who add the steps - you must do this and that in order to be saved. God gave us salvation, it is already here, we just need to accept it through faith in Jesus Christ.
1 Cor. 7:19 "Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing. What matters is keeping the commandments of God."...This is why it didn' t matter that Abraham wasn't circumcised. Mark 16:16 "he who has believed AND been baptized shall be saved."...enough said. but here's more anyway. John 3:5 "Unless one is born of water AND spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven." why in the world would you risk your chance at heaven when you have such a straightforward answer as this???
is baptism is necessary for salvation? YES, its in the bible John 3:5 "... Except a man be born of WATER and SPIRIT, he cannot ENTER into the kingdom of God" baptism was introduced in the New Testament not in the Old Testament, so Abraham didn't have to be baptize. If people in the Old Testament wanted to go to heaven they needed 3 thing Faith, Obedience, and Blood. Abraham did have Faith in God, he was Obedient, and he did sacrifice animals. in Jh 3:5 Jesus is talking, so its not a ritual
There is a such thing as "baptism of desire" for people who cannot be baptized before death for whatever reason. I would also like to add that what you mean by "necessary for salvation" is not the same as what other Christian groups mean. You mean "saved" as in you're going to heaven; in that case the answer is no, it's not necessary. Other groups mean you should do it if at all possible, but they realize that God is merciful and not everyone has access to baptism. Just like works...
My mother died believing in the lord and she was not baptized. However she told me and her children of a dream that the Virgin Mary mother of christ will take her away to heaven and when she died that's what we believe. My mother was not all that religious until the Virgin Mary came to visit her in a dream that she got until 2001 to do her deeps before she pass. I believe that when she died shes in heaven watching us from above and waiting for us to join her when its our time to pass.
Believing in Jesus [the work] is an obligation created by Gods work as Redeemer. Baptism like belief is this kind of work. Two, baptism is symbolism and thus exclusively illustrative. In every other respect we understand that notion to be incorrect. Weddings, enlistment, swearing into office or court, signing a mortgage all have great symbolic meaning, yet none-the-less they accomplish what they signify. The verses about Christian baptism suggest it accomplishes what it signifies. 2/2
Thank you, 4 your winsome presentation of your reading of the biblical teaching on baptism. You make 2 points. One is that baptism a work and thus connecting it to salvation undermines salvation by faith. This argument turns on ruling out the most likely meaning of the word "work" in Eph 2:8-9 & Rom 3:38. "Work" as a non-agent of salvation is a work of moral merit. It is failure of moral obligation that causes condemnation. "Work" can include believing in Jesus John 6:29, and that saves us. 1/2
Sure, God. Send me to hell just because my mom isn't religious and refuses to baptize me. Appearently my faith alone is not enough to save me. What an amazing God you are.
@JukemDrawles89 so you know the whole point of this video is to show that "baptism is not necessary for salvation"? try looking into the video you're criticizing
If baptism is not necessary for salvation then why was john the baptist was baptising people and why did jesus showed us that we should be baptised in the name of god and why during this event the voice of god was heard from the sky saying that Jesus is his Only SON ?
Paul (saul) was a servant of God, Correct? He was faithful to the call given by the Lord, Right? Paul was instructed by Ananias from God , Correct. God through Ananias instructed God's way for salvation to Paul, Instruction from God, Correct. Acts 22; 16, (I quote), and now why are you waiting? (speaking to unsaved Paul) arise and be baptized and wash away your sins, the method (baptism) and the effect, (removal of sins), (for salvation). 1 Peter 3 20-21 Baptism now saves us .
Jesus plainly said, "verily verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of the water, and of the spirit, he shall not see the kingdom of God." It's that simple. haha. silly people.
Let me take the liberty of pointing out "carmvideos" position: Acts 2 ... After hearing the wonderful sermon by Peter and the others on Pentecost, the hearers were pricked or stung in their hearts and cried out "Men and brethren, what shall we DO?" Those Jews were believers at that point - undeniably. What would Carmvideo have answered, "Why, nothing, you can't DO a thing - it's grace through faith only - and dead faith, at that." Blessed Peter didn't say anything of the sort, did he?
John 14: 14 Jesus "If ye ask me for anything ... " Apparently he applies this only to salvation. It certainly doesn't apply to replacing an amputees arm, does it? That's a gross misinterpretation. He teaches salvation at the point of rejecting the council of God and salvation at the point of a dead faith. Also, he relies heavily on Abraham, who was already an obedient, worshipping, faithful believer in God - to try to prove "faith only" by such a character is not the best move. Won't work.
He then moves to Gal 3: 5-6 ... and refers to "works of the law" - this refers to the Jewish law. Why, belief IS a work. He then refers to the so-called "sinners prayer" - a creature never found in the New Testament ANYWHERE. "Biblical belief" is defined by Thayer, correctly so, as "truth, confidence, faith COJOINED with the IDEA of OBEDIENCE." This man dissevers the two.
Point 1 concerned Abraham: Abraham was a saved man when he was an obedient, worshipping, faithful believer in God BEFORE Gen 15 - and before circumcision. To draw a parallel between circumcision (which was done at 8 days to males only) and baptism is a grievous error. So that's point 1 - and that takes care of 0.00 - 3:26
Every act of conversion in the book of Acts involves baptism. Baptism is an act of faith. In 2 Kings 5, would Naaman have had complete faith or lack of faith had he not gone in dipped in the river Jordan 7 times? You trust more in your own human wisdom than God's Word. Naaman also thought it was silly for the prophet to tell him to dip in the Jordan, but his faith led him to do it and his leprosy was healed. I think this was left as an example for us today in order to deal with false teaching
"Those flood waters were like baptism that now saves you. But BAPTISM is more than just washing your body. It means turning to God with a clear conscience"
@mjmenjivar Read 1Peter 3:20..It was the Ark that saved them, not the water..1 Peter3:20 (because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ARK was being prepared, IN WHICH a few, that is, eight persons, WERE BROUGHT SAFELY through the water.)...so Baptism actually corresponds to the Ark. ...not the flood waters.
carmvideos.......If you dont wanna be baptised in Jesus name , then dont, keep your false teaching to your self. Your going out of your way to to preach against water baptism.
Abraham had not been commanded yet to be circumcised when he believed. The faith that saves is the faith that obeys. A person who does not believe baptism is necessary does not have complete faith in God's Word. They trust more in their own human wisdom rather than God's Word. I sure don't want to stand before him someday and say Your Word says, " He that believes and is baptized will be saved, but I say he who believes and is NOT baptized will be saved." Mk. 16:16
this man is a lier show me anyone who did the sinners prayer why are you baptized ??????? JESUS said remission OF SINS will be preached IN HIS name ! RIGHT ???????? SO BAPTISM IS FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS DA !!!! john 3-5 is Jesus a lier ???? or this man a lier !!!? mark 16 ?? Jesus lieing or this man a lier ! NO 1 TIME DID ANYONE A DO A SINNERS PRAYER its a lie why do romans 10 8-10 when ver 13 is eazy da ita a lie !!!
No one is saying that a ritual saves. Duh!! It would be foolish to believe there's power in the water to do that which only God does through the blood of His Son. Or that we can earn salvation by doing a work. Another duh!! Read John 3:36. God requires us to believe and obey. Not one or the other, but both. According to Jesus' own words in Mark 16:16, is baptism part of the obedience that leads to salvation? Jesus says it is, and so I will obey Jesus and trust Him to save me.
You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"(John 8:32)
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed(John 8:36)
So whatever you say or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law that sets you free(James 2:12)
“You shall love [...] your neighbor as yourself"(Luke10:27-28;Galatians5:14)
But if you look carefully into the perfect law that sets you free, and if you do what it says and don't forget what you heard, then God will bless you for doing it(James 1:25)
havent you read the faith chapter? heb 11:8-9 by faith abraham "obeyed". what if when God called abraham out to the place where he should recieve an inheritance and he was like " i dont have to leave home and go anywhere that would be work. im just gonna stay here because i believe you" would that be counted as righteousness? because we believe in God we obey God by being baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins. jn 3:5, mk 16:16, acts 2:37-38, acts 22:16, 1peter 3:21
Is our righteosness what saves us from the wages of Sin? So as Abraham believed in God, so should we believe Jesus when He said in John 3:5 "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Peter compared baptism unto the salvation of Noah. 1 Peter 3:21 -The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
We could go on and on with verses that demand water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ; but unless truth is desired, it falls on dead ground.
Not by works of righteousness (good works) which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Abraham was only saved because his sins were "rolled/pushed" forward by the sacrificial lamb. The saints of old "died in faith" (Hebrews 11:13, Matthew 13:17), having not received the promise (Acts 2:38-39). Dare I say that you are not saved unless you are "Washed" and "Renewed"?(Titus 3:5)
Mark 16:16, from mouth of our Savior Himself "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (see John 3:5)
In John 3:5 Jesus told Nicodemus, "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Water IS an essential part of Salvation and the ONLY water that Jesus refereed to in that manner was Baptism.
The question is why are we stepping in God's shoes and say that baptism is not part of salvation or can someone be saved by baptism. The answer is we should not decide for God that we are saved without baptism. Preach the Truth! God is the Judge.
Baptism is a proclamation of your saving "Faith" in Christ. But being baptized is not what saves you. It is by grace through faith and is a gift from God. Read: John 3:16, Romans 3:22, 24, 26, 28-30, 4:3, 5, 11, 16, 5:1, 9, 9:30, 33, 10:4, 9-10, 11:6, Galatians 2:16, 21, 3:5-6, 8, 14, 22, 24, Ephesians 1:13, 2:8, Phil 3:9 and 1 Timothy 1:16.
What this fellow really believes is that a person is saved by belief or faith only before and without any further acts of obedience - whether mental or physical or both. Watch how carefully he avoids repentance. He'll say "faith only", while James says "not by faith only", and had he been present on Pentecost, his answer would have been a little different that Peter's, I suppose.
Perhaps you need an actual translation instead of a commentary (so-called thought translation). Both the KJV and the ASV say they were baptized "unto" (toward) Moses, not "into" Moses. The baptism of Rom.6 that is "into" Christ, is an actual baptism, where they were dead, buried, and ressurrected. Later in chapter 6 in vs 17-18, Paul reminds them that they OBEYED that FORM (vs 3-8) of doctrine, and were THEN made free from sin. The obedience comes first. See Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, 1Pet.3;20-21.
Baptism is not a “work.” It’s not even something we “do.” Rather, it’s something that is done to us. There are some things “we” must do (work). We must “do” the believing, repenting, and confessing. But baptism is the one thing we do not do, rather it is done to us. We humbly submit to the command and allow ourselves to be baptized in obedience to God. “We” do no work in being baptized. Baptism is not a work. It’s a command of God we submit to (Acts 22:16). Be baptized and wash away your sins.
“But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, BUT YE HAVE OBEYED from the heart THAT FORM OF DOCTRINE which was delivered you. Being THEN made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness” (Ro.6:17-18). What “form” did they obey that made them free from sin? ANSWER: BAPTISM (Ro.6:3-9). Notice the word “then.” Being “then” made free from sin came after obeying the command to be baptized “into” Christ (v 3). Washing away sins comes after our obedience (Acts 22:16).
Baptism is a New Testament (NT) command. The NT didn’t come into effect until after the Lord’s death (Heb.9:16-17). Abraham lived before the NT came into force and so, the command to be baptized didn’t apply to him. While he is an excellent example of what it means to be faithful to God’s word of his time, using him as an example of the actual commands we should or shouldn’t obey shows that one doesn’t know how to “rightly divide the word of truth” (2Tim.2:15). We live under the NT, not the OT.
I really think the reason people are against faith alone is because it sounds like faith is something casual like acknowledgement/agreement. People who merely agree and uderstand the gospel I don't believe are saved. Faith is a holding on, in this context, for "dear-freaking life". If this is real faith, works will naturally flow out. If I take God at His word, believe his promises, obviously some works will result in accordance with that belief....
@dzindzichvilli For example: "In your presence oh Lord is fullness of joy, at your right hand are pleasures forever more" Psalm 16:11 Why give into sin when there's greater joy in God's presence? Why store up for yourself treasures on earth, when eternal treasures are for those who live for them? The problem with the world: We are faithless, we do not believe God, unbelief is root of the problem, it always has been. If we did believe "our works would work in accordance with our faith" Jam.2
What is the fate of those who do not obey the gospel? (2 Thes.1:8; 1 Pet.4:17). The gospel is the good news of the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord (1 Cor 15:1-4). Those are the facts of the gospel, but we cannot obey facts, we can only obey commands. What command might we obey to be obeying the gospel (death, burial, resurrection)? Answer: Rom.6:3-5. We MUST obey the gospel or be lost (2 Thes.1:8; 1 Pet.4:17). Have you obeyed the gospel? Have you been buried with Jesus in baptism?
Did you realize that it wasn’t until AFTER Abraham’s obedience to God’s word that God declared, “NOW I know that thou fearest God”? (Gen.22:12). Obedience is necessary to salvation. Heb.5:8-9 says the Lord is, “the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.” One cannot be saved without obedience.
Under the New Testament there is no salvation outside of Christ. We’re baptized “into” Christ (Gal.3:27, Rom.6:3). And one is outside of Christ until they are baptized “into” Christ.
@exdesertrat What about 1 Cor. 10:2, where it says people were baptized "into" Moses? There was no baptism back then, and I'm pretty sure belief in Moses didn't get you into heaven. It's a turn of phrase that is taken literally, and thus, wrongly. To be baptized into Christ means you are a devout follower, as those who followed Moses were baptized into him.
We live under the New Testament (NT). Abraham lived before the NT came into force. The command to be baptized came in the NT, and so didn’t apply to Abraham.
The NT command to be baptized didn’t come into effect until after the Lord’s death (Heb.9:16-17). While Abraham is an excellent example of what it means to be faithful to God’s word, using him as an example of the actual commands that must be obeyed shows that one doesn’t know how to “rightly divide the word of truth” (2Tim.2:15).
@BlackEyeBeatings James doesn't say that works justifies us before God. Or that Abraham was saved by works. Paul however does say that Abraham was justified by his faith (Rom 4:1-25). Faith without works is dead. It is dead faith. That is it is not truly faith. To say that works justifies us before God means that there was no reason for Christ to die on the Cross (Galatians 2:21)
Works justify no one before God. The thought is absurd. God can see the heart of an individual. He knows whether they are truly faithful or faking. Works can only justify us before men.
LOL ... Matt makes such a ridiculous attempt to exclude baptism that he also excludes repentance. If not, I'd like to see how he worms around and tries to ADD it - probably says faith implies repentance, but that's a worse trap - because then it could also imply baptism. Not a single conversion in the book of Acts occurs as he teaches. And who equates Christian baptism with circumcision? NO ONE - merely a distraction, a straw man, set up to punch down.
Matt confuses works of the Law and works of faith. "Baptism is a ritual". Jesus is the guy maintaining "Faith and a ritual." According to Jesus. "He who believes and is baptized, the same shall be saved" Mark 16:16
According to Peter: Acts 2:38 "believe and be baptized for the remission of sins"
According to Paul: "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Gal 3:27. You left this part out.
Abraham restates his blessing: faith and obedience Gen 22:16-18
@answeringantimormons You only quoted part of Mark 16:16, the rest is, "but whoever does not believe will be condemned"(ESV) If Jesus is clasping the two acts together, why did he not do the same for the rest of the statement? Belief is the point here, then outward profession flows out from belief. Also, I can't find the translation you used, which translation is it?
I don't really care what it takes NOT to be saved, do you? Doesn't it matter what Jesus says it takes to be saved? Isn't that the most important thing? If not, then nothing is important.
The argument that somehow the second half of that verse makes any difference at all to people who have faith is truly an absurdity. Sorry, but of course those lacking faith will likewise lack obedience. Do ya think? I find it interesting you avoid what Jesus said those with faith must do. Why?
@answeringantimormons Kind person, I believe you avoided the question by appealing to ridicule. Also, I am sorry if I did not explain my point fully: In light of the whole verse, we see belief is the point of the statement, then outward profession (i.e. baptism) flows out from belief. Baptism is not a independent variable apart from belief, but it is a dependent variable on belief. It's a longitudinal chain of events. That's what I'm getting exterminating the text in context. Hope this helps.
@zinigoe I see your point about actions growing out of faith, and of course it is true that every deliberate action has its root in a thought or motive. But that does not change the force of Mark 16:16. The two conditions for salvation, belief and baptism, are grammatically and contextually equal. The only reason someone would state that one is more important than the other for salvation is because of a theological interpretation, not from the text. So "faith only" is refuted with this.
@answeringantimormons Actually the second part of the verse is just important as the first part. That is the problem with baptismal regeneration. It takes verses out of context. If failure to be baptized doesn't damn you then it can not save you.
There are two types of people. The baptized believer and the non believer.
You hit it. If you lack faith then you will lack obedience, however if you have faith (truly saved) then you will have obedience.
If this was true, that baptism is not required, then no condition is required for salvation even repentance. Baptism is not a work this is not What Paul was discussing in Romans if so, Romans 6-8 could be removed because it is all about baptism and the regeneration done by the Holy Spirit. It is the operation of God not the work of man.
What a true christian, who is mature in the Faith will understand through their walk in Christ is that no work, no prayer, no confession, no ritual, will save you unless your heart is right. If your heart is not motivated by love for God and your neighbor(everybody on earth), everything you say and do for God means nothing to him. You can be a legalistic Christian and Spit verses all you want but none of it means nothing if no love exist. I Corinthians 13, Galations 5:6, 1 Thess 1:3, 1John3,4.
I think Mr Matt Slick is missing the point of why people think baptism is part of salvation. The reason for 90% of christians(mostly of that body is catholic) believe baptism is necessary for salvation because they believe that baptism literally joins them with Jesus at the cross and it is a ritual done by Christ and not by man; eventhough if its a human being doing the ritual. The Meat of those verses are in Romans Chapter 6 and Colossians 2:11-12.
What did Peter mean it 1Peter 3: 20 and 21 when he said that "water" saved Noah. and that, that "water symbolizes "BAPTISM" That "now saves you also"?
Faith without works is dead, they go hand in hand... one without the other makes the other one void... James 2:20-24, & 26... Surely you will not die if you dis-obey God, I mean eat of the fruit...
@alval2v Not just one verse but many of them that point to us being the speak of us being the bride and Christ the bridegroom. Once you realize when the wedding day and consummation of the marriage is you will realize that we currently live a betrothed promise. At this point we're just engaged to be married. Now that I've given you the story line I'll let you select the exact references. HOW SHOULD WE THEN LIVE?
BY THE WAY ---- Baptism for salvation was practiced throughout the early church... all the way up until Zwingli. If you say Baptism is not the time or the occasion one is saved, then you go against the Bible and the early church
telling people that they are saved on works is opening up a door way to satan and his demons into your life. You mys well just ignor the two masters where Jesus said you can not serve God and mammon for you can not serve to masters equally not one higher then the other and God is jealous God any Christians who states there real Christian should know this.
we all know too well there are false preachers all over the world trying to destroy the word of God but we see in revelation that well never happen and we also see in the four gospels Gods word well always be faithful. Judge less be judged for someone to say baptism is salvation is judging the word of God he never says anywhere in the bible that water saves you which is works and not faith alone that saves you. Christ Jesus taught faith saves you not by works.
Jesus said in order to be born again you must be born with water and spirit he never says here you must be baptized by john in order to get to heaven.
He never says anywhere in scripture you must go in river and get salvation.
He never says any man on earth can give you salvation but only by me can i give you eternal life John 3: 16 SAYS I am the truth the light and he who belieth in me well never die but have ever lasting life.
please point out others also teaching this because i have foudn that the Romanian churches in Romania also kind of believe in baptism is salvation too also even though Jesus was not baptized by laying of hands on his head he was emerged. .Jesus also states this and people take it out of context and like to say this story in stead according to John 1-4 Nicodemus said and how is one born again and Jesus said
Baptism is not salvation here are some churches claiming this to be true. Mormons how ever mormons believe you have to do more then just go under a font of water or say jacuzzie and then rise back up with hands layed on your head when you go under practically drowning you lol. How ever if you have faith you are like in a mist when your baptized by a mormon bishop because the power soothes through you. but what power is this is it the angel of light Jesus warned us about that satan appears
I like this! In your face Campbellites! Say what you want to but at the end of the day he is right baptism is a rituaul and God saves by grace through faith!
@teedjay77 and i see you should take the two sevens ouit of your name and add a six while your at it. lets turn your two sevens upside down latter day saints lol.
i can't believe that you are actually saying this! what about john and jesus. were they just playing in the water? i am really laughing at this video. thank god for catholicism for making everything clear to me.
@Catholicist Since you bring up this Jesus who is our salvation -- maybe you can then explain why the Christ was baptised -- where was the His sin that needed repentance? I thought He was the perfect lamb of God come to take away the sins of all the world!?
@alandcoons Jesus was baptized because all High Priest are required by Jewish law to go through this ceremony. Before they can be declared the High Priest. Jesus was fulling the law.
@jarak36 St.John 14:6, i and we already know-ur not using the verses with right interpretation. if u really knew catholicism or good catholics this u would know=we pray first to Jesus before confession,then during to Jesus, the priest is to be a spiritual helper-to pray for us.do u pray for someone when they ask u?EXACTLY! works/deeds=not exactly=although=James 2:14-26"...For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead".WE DON'T WORSHIP MARY AND WE DON'T WORSHIP SAINTS
@jarak36 READ OUR PRAYERS FROM SAINTS AND U'LL KNOW WHAT WHY WE PRAY WITH THEM. THEY ARE THE WITNESSES. ALSO MARY IS TO BE HONORED JUST AS JESUS HONORED IS MOTHER. DO U HONOR AND RESPECT UR MOTHER, OR NOT? SHE IS SPECIAL INDEED. THE HAIL MARY PRAYER IF U READ IT IT SAYS "....PRAY FOR US SINNERS.." JUST AS I TOLD U BEFORE WE ASK THE SAINTS TO PRAY BEFORE US AND BEHALF OF US. IN THE BIBLE SAYS THERE ARE SAINTS UPON EARTH AND IN HEAVEN, AND THEY R WE THEM AND US AS WITNESSES OF FAITH IN CHRIST.
@Catholicist "I am the way the truth and the life. NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH ME John 14:6 what an insult to Jesus when you go to dead people whom you call saints to pray for and on behalf of you. when you become born again, you become a saint. not when you die. and yes Marry was a chosen vessel of God. and she should be respected but not worshiped. and yes when you pray you worship.
@alval2v do u honor ur mother?if not, then u should throw her out of ur life as well and-or never mention her again.Jesus honored his mother and he said at the foot of the cross=John, sake Mary as your mother.Jesus never called her mother but he gave her to us as a way to him and recognize that JESUS WAS INFACT BORN.Luke 1:48-Mary prophesies that all generations shall call her blessed.WE DON'T WORSHIP HER,WE HONOR HER! ur taking the word Worship out of context.ENGLISH IS MOST CORRUPTED LANGUAGE!
@Catholicist i agree with most of what you said. up till you said "Jesus gave her to us as a way to him?" ABSOLUTELY NOT! their is no way to Jesus but through the Spirit of God. you read the scriptures but you do not understand them. you Catholics worship what you do not know. we worship what we do know. God is spirit and the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
@alval2v i asked u do u honor ur mother or not? if yes or no, ur contridicting and do not understanding scripture from Genesis-to-Revelations. my friend, i read scripture from my Aramaic language,Arabic and Assyrian. Our Church from the first century clearly demonstrate our scripture understandings. first of all, there were no scripture for 400yrs and yet we see Apostles of Christ teaching them these of scriptures. SORRY, BUT U R READING ANTI-CATHOLIC THINGS ONLY AND NOT RESPECTING HISTORY.
@Catholicist forgive me the frustration in my words. my frustration is not geared toward you. it's toward the Catholic church. you believe in things that are contrary to scripture. no fault of your own. that's what you have been taught. i Pray that God will open your eyes to see the truth. the truth will set you free.
@alval2v no my friend...the Catholic Church is not at fault nor it is my fault!why?because it is by Sacred Tradition (with Capital T, not "t" of men),by Jesus' authoritative power by the Holy Spirit.I am a Middle Eastern Catholic and i see confusion among many of protestants or whatever u r out there.DID U READ WHAT I WROTE OR UR JUST OVER-READING IT? Way to Jesus thru Mary is that to say that to give evidence that Jesus really was born of a virgin and that we r to respect her special role...
@Catholicist i apologize for the miss understanding of your words. i agree with your reply that Jesus was born of a virgin. i believe that. but your wording did make it sound like you were saying that, like Jesus is the way to God. Mary is a way to Jesus. again if that was not what you were saying then i do apologize. k. your first comment... please elaborate. you lost me. what is by "Sacred Tradition"?
Brothers stop being rebellious as was and is the devil himself. The entire word of God is based on a covenant between God and his people. Circumcision with the hands was put off for circumcision with out the hands; BAPTISM! It's gotta be done! OBET ACTS 2:38! I know who your father is... the rebellious one.
The Holy Bible FOREVER separated baptism and the Gospel in 1 Corinthians 1:17 and that means that man does not have the right to place together what God has separated. Romans 1:16 says that salvation comes to the one who believes, not to the one who is baptized. If baptism is not part of the Gospel, then it cannot be part of Salvation. It is that simple.
Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus. Does Nicodemus have the any idea what Christian water baptism is about? NO! The concept of Christian baptism is not known until Acts. The only baptism Nicodemus has known was the ritual washings of the Jews or the ones done John the Baptist. Jesus ask, Are you the teacher of Israel, and don"t understand these things? Jesus rebukes Nicodemus because he doesn't know something fundamental that he ought to have understood. This couldn't be Christian water baptism.
@radarradar100 as when you are baptised you are born again........Being born again is a Jewish idiom of when a gentile who wants to convert to Judaism go through the process of becoming a Jew, then would do an immersion "a mikvah" and then come up as a new creation and in every which way he would be considered Jewish.
@radarradar100 there is no deiffrence between the concept of the christian baptsim and the jewish one. the formula may be diffrent but what the convert gets out of it is the same. it is a rebirth, ritual purity. "out with the old and in with the new"
1st Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God.) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
Also Note Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Mr. Slick, you walked right into a trap. Did you not even consider James 2:14-26, or did you just leave that out because it's convenient? Ask yourself this, if Abraham does not offer Isaac up, is he a righteous man? Of course not, if he didn't do that work, then his faith would not be made complete. Isn't that right?
Also, you fail to even mention the point that Paul is trying to make in Romans 4. He's trying to kill the idea that you must remain loyal to the Law of Moses. Rom 3:28-29.
Hello,Jesus is my hero, Could you please do me a Favor.? could you make a uncut and un spliced video in which you state the phrase as follows- I accept The Lord Jesus Christ forever.and deny Satan---Satan is a Fool.and then Say Amen.please do this and i will subscribe.
@Catholicist ?I didn't say anything about Hell? This thread is about the need for baptism for salvation. I was moving the time frame to a point in the future (when Christ returns) when salvation is REALLY accomplished. Everything leading to the REAL event is a portent, events and actions (e.g. baptism) only point to and looking forward to the REAL happening- our REAL salvation is in Christ upon his returning. Meanwhile we live by faith a promise of a future home- JUST LIKE ABRAHAM!
Really Matt, I think you should step on this side of the cross.
DwayneFitz 5 days ago
1 Pet. 3:21,The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) its an act of obedience for a good(clear) conscience.Obeying God's Word. As far as belief in God gives salvation ...James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.do you think the devils(fallen angels) are saved because they believe in God? Really now,think this all over.
DwayneFitz 5 days ago
Educate your self with the dead sea scrolls.
badshaneTX 1 week ago
The Apostle Paul explains in 1COR.10:1-2] how the children of Israel where Baptized and this commandment is continued in John Baptist in the spirit of Elias.If you believe Baptism to be nothing but ritual then you will never understand its importance.
buddy85442 1 week ago
FIRST One must be baptized,Paul said i was not sent to baptize but preach the Gospel to the gentiles!Baptism was a necessary next step..as Jesus in John3:5 told Nicodemus except a man be born of "water" and spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God .Baptism was so important God chose a man "before" the womb to fulfill prophesy that was foretold for hundreds of years.Look Baptism is only for freed people!even the children of Israel were not Baptized till they where freed from pharaoh
buddy85442 1 week ago
Was the thief on the cross Baptized?
mrbianco1979 3 weeks ago
@mrbianco1979 HI,great question,...we have come to look at baptism as a harmless ritual we all went through and all we got was wet...consider baptism as being immersed in the cares, wickedness and evil of this world, until you truly understood the need for Gods righteousness and repentance...The thief obviously reached this point..remember we are still continuing the journey started by Adam and Eve "To know good and evil and chose Christ ...God bless
buddy85442 1 week ago
Comparing Abraham (Old covenant) to Christians (new covenant) is like comparing a cobra to a cat. They are two totally different set of laws. Christ, himself, said he was there to fulfill the law. Jesus himself was baptized to give and example to the believers of fulfilling the law. Your references to the "circumcised heart", as well as other references to the gospel as being what saves us are taken out of context. One must read the entire passage in context.
megs2401 3 weeks ago
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Salvation comes from obedience , obedience to the Gospel of Christ .. After hearing ( Romans 10:17 ) .. One must Believe , Repent and Be Baptized for the remission of sins ! Why ? ( Acts 2:37-38 , John 3:5 , 1 Peter 3:20-21 , Acts 8:30-39 , Ephesians 4:5 , Romans 6:1-6 )
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StephanTerrell 4 weeks ago
To those who point to the necessity of baptism for salvation: stop trying to add to the finished work of Christ. We are saved by grace through faith apart from works. Only sloppy eisegesis leads to the belief that Christ's blood alone is insufficient so baptismal waters must be added.
awgamblin1987 1 month ago 2
@awgamblin1987 ..Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned....Don't mistake an "action of faith" for "works". If you want to know what works are read " I Corinthians 3 " Your work is the product of your labours.
DwayneFitz 5 days ago
Baptism fulfills all righteousness today. That came right out of Christ's mouth, not mine.
periodicglimpse24 2 months ago
Maybe look at Hebrews 11 this explains what true faith really is. See if Noah listened to this and thought that all he had to do is believe that God was going to make it rain on earth, we wouldn't be here today. But praise God he had true faith and obeyed and did what God commanded and built the Ark of salvation. See the faith you talk about it mentioned in James 2:19 "you believe that God is one. You do well; the demons believe, and shudder"
So if demons believe in God are they saved?
periodicglimpse24 2 months ago
if a person knows to believe in god jesus christ, or he walk close to bible, god holysprit will automatically tells him what he need to do?on that case he never miss his baptism.
rubinligys 3 months ago
Acts 2:38! Yes you must be baptized in order to be saved!
biblicalcreatures 3 months ago
@biblicalcreatures: John the Baptist received the Holy Spirit BEFORE he was even born! That destroys the notion you must be water baptized to be saved.
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. Luke1:15
The other thing ppl fail to recognize in Acts2:38 is that when someone is baptized IN THE NAME of Jesus, it simply means they were told about Him. See Acts8:16
God bless
SuperDonster 2 weeks ago
Part 2 of my response: And, if Baptism was NOT essential then WHY did Christ get baptized? For righteousness sake (Matthew 3:15-17). Abraham lived by the old law and the new law is in Christ. Hence, baptism is ESSENTIAL in the NEW covenant; else WHY did Christ show the importance of being Baptize by John?
drmacavinta 3 months ago
Then, how do you answer John 3:5 which states, " Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." It's pretty clear that baptism is essential. Also refer to Ephesians 4:5 which states,"One Lord, one faith, one baptism." Thus, these two scriptures makes it clear that being born again spiritually and being baptized by water is critical and essential for salvation! Furthermore, Baptism is a covenant.
drmacavinta 3 months ago
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Amen brother! We do need to be baptized.
biblicalcreatures 3 months ago
Baptism is not a ritual. The scriptures never indicate it was. The truth is: the Apostles commanded it, they baptized Jewish and Gentile believers and we have no reason to believe it would be any different today. If a believer dies before he/she is baptized then they are at God's mercy just like the rest of us are after we die.
God will be gracious to whom he will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom He will show mercy. Exodus 33:19
JaeZ76 5 months ago 2
Also, it would be a great help if Matt Slick backs up his claims with chapter and verse so that we can study the claims for ourselves and know the truth.
JaeZ76 5 months ago
One more point. Paul, while talking about faith in chapter 4 goes on to mention baptism in chapter 6:4. We could speculate that he could be talking about the baptism of John but then, we have the 3,000 souls in Acts 2:41, Philip who baptized the eunuch in Acts 8:36, Peter who baptized Cornelius and the other Gentiles in 10:37 after receiving the Holy Spirit and believing. These verses cannot be ignored. Both Jews and Gentiles were baptized in water, I'm convinced, to seal their salvation.
JaeZ76 5 months ago
In Romans 4:9 , Paul asks the question 'For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised?" The answer: before circumcision. He goes on to say that the circumcision is what SEALED the righteousness. Being that Christ commands us to change our lives according to our faith in him, why would baptism be any different than to seal our righteousness of faith?
JaeZ76 5 months ago
Baptism is a physical thing that should produces a spiritual result! But so is laying hands on the sick.... Communion, works of repentance, confession users one's mouth. James say don't pray be warmed and filled-buy them a coat! In doing you minister the glory of God! Now if a sandwich can minister glory surely water baptism!
Faithdude95 5 months ago
Was Jesus' water baptism by John symbolic or just a ceremonial? No, it was instrumental. It fulfilled righteousness the word, i.e, Jesus says. Our water baptism should be just as instrumental. "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased"
Faithdude95 5 months ago
The first day of the christian church 3000 ppl had to repent, believe, confess Jesus as they were baptized and receive the Holy Ghost. so when d'if this process change?
Faithdude95 5 months ago
The Letter of James also says Abe was made just by works, and also the woman who hid the spys. Faith AND works justify. But remember that works do not initially justify as said in ephesians, because grace is given to us in water baptism.
GraveyardGhost559 6 months ago
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James 2:21 - "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?"
EruditeWarrior 6 months ago
Does this guy have muscle spasms?
policydeb8er321 6 months ago
in john 3:5 'water' doesnt mean to baptism.it refers 'Gods Word'..read john13:10&15:3...also pls read in paul writings ephesians 5:26,titus 3:5,hebrew 10:22.. in james 1:18,..also read in peter writings 1peter 1:23, 2:2.. be rooted in God"s word and clench from all sins
danishld1 6 months ago
The cross made it possible for man to be changed from DEATH to LIFE. Jesus removed the keys of HELL and the keys of DEATH from Satan. Death has no more power over us IF we follow Jesus through death burial and resurrection. HOW? by baptism into His name: Read Romans 6. DEATH to LIFE!
1 Corinthians 15:55
O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
We are born in death--through baptism we are reborn unto LIFE!
wilby1414 6 months ago
Here is the clincher for what is salvation & how we get into the Kingdom of God.
Matthew 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:...
Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom. So what was Peter's message? Acts 2:38 Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins & you WILL receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is Christ. Baptism changes man from DEATH to LIFE called a conversion, regeneration & being born again into the family of God.
wilby1414 6 months ago
To 'BELIEVE' is not just a thought or a feeling. Believing is to act--take action. A true believer in Jesus Christ will follow Him and do His commandments. Jesus said to follow HIM through the door. HOW? By baptism into Jesus Christ & then you will receive the gift of promise. The promise was made to Abraham & that promise is Christ. SO, get born again into the family of God, it is the only way to have a relationship with Him and His Father. YOU can not believe your way into anyone's family.
wilby1414 6 months ago
So many things to cover.
Abraham's salvation is not the same as our salvation--period. But listen carefully to these scriptures
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ
Galatians 3:29 If ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Romans6 describes the process of baptism. Baptism converts you from DEATH to LIFE-Christ in you is your hope of Glory
wilby1414 6 months ago
John 6:28-29 Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God
requires?" Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the
one he has sent."
The baptism required by salvation is baptism by the Holy Spirit (which comes after true repentance), not baptism by man. Saying that a physical water baptism by man is a requirement for salvation, is saying that Jesus' death and resurrection is not enough.
analogtherapy 7 months ago
Mark 1:8 I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
analogtherapy 7 months ago
@analogtherapy So very very wrong! ALL the deciples including Paul taught baptism(by water) into Jesus Christ Acts 2:38 also read Romans 6. Paul clearly explains the process of salvation so read it. Jesus commanded baptism so therefore if you believe on the one the Father sent then follow Him in the new birth. Baptism is a rebirth into the family of God, after we are raised out of the water we are made to drink the spirit(Holy Ghost). They go together-baptism we die & then the HG makes us alive.
wilby1414 6 months ago
@wilby1414 - I'm very sorry that you truly believe that, if someone believed with all their heart, and truly repented from and confessed their sins, that they STILL fail to be washed by the blood of Christ, if they have not been baptized by water. It's a heartbreaking and legalistic viewpoint, and is in stark contrast to the character of Christ Himself...
analogtherapy 6 months ago
@analogtherapy You have to look at all the facts and then put everything in its proper place. First, Paul sends letter to the churches where everyone has already been baptized as Paul states. NOW, in Romans 6 Paul explains the process of baptism--read it. When we are in the water we are dead with Jesus, when we are raised out of the water we are made to drink the Holy Ghost & made alive IN CHRIST. Repentance and living for Jesus is a wanderful experience but is it salvation--NO. There is more!
wilby1414 6 months ago
@wilby1414 Peter was given the keys to the kingdom by Jesus--what was Peters message for salvation? Peter said, repent AND be baptized for the remision of sins THEN you will receive the GIFT (the Promise) from the Father--the HOLY GHOST.
Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Act 2:38 covers it all. ----So many lies that don't line up with scripture.
John 10:1
...He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber
wilby1414 6 months ago
@analogtherapy,, How can you say that someone believed with all his heart and had truly repented fhen refuse to obey the commandment of Jesus to be baptized. Please see Mark 16:15-16 and Acts 2:38.
God bless you.
jundurias 5 months ago
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analogtherapy 5 months ago
@jundurias I didn't say "refuse" to be baptized. I did say "I'm not saying any believer should skip being baptized" and I have also said that a physical water immersion performed by another human being is not required for someone to receive the gift of salvation. Ephesians 2:8-9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast." Saved, by grace, through faith, not works. God bless you as well :)
analogtherapy 5 months ago
@analogtherapy , Work is the product of faith. If you truly believe and truly repented what prohibits you to be baptized. There is no argument that a Christian is a baptized individual. If you are a believer you need to be baptized as soon as possible. Baptism should be in the Name of Jesus for the remission of sins.
jundurias 5 months ago
@wilby1414 Now, just so you understand, I'm not saying any believer should skip being baptized. I myself have been baptized, and it was one of the most joyous moments in my life, a moment I shared with a crowd of Christ proclaiming brothers and sisters. But that is what baptism is meant to be. A public proclamation of our belief, our transformation, our Savior. It is NOT the moment of salvation.
analogtherapy 6 months ago
@analogtherapy What if no one but the two see the baptism---not very public is it?
There are many reasons for this baptism for salvation. It is a conversion, a regeneration and being born again from DEATH to LIFE.
Remember---baptism into Jesus name includes the Holy Ghost.
Rethink your message because you are sending people in the wrong direction!!!
wilby1414 6 months ago
@wilby1414 Lastly, how would you explain the transformation of the heart when one repents, if/when they have not experienced a baptism at the same time? I'll reference 1 Cor. 5:17 - "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!" as I myself was transformed in this way, 2 years before my baptism. Who are you to deny that transformation, to deny the power of the Holy Spirit whom transformed me? Consider 2 Peter 2:1 before your say any more.
analogtherapy 6 months ago
@analogtherapy Repentance does NOT save you!! Repentance is a change of heart -- a change toward serving the Lord -- a change that leads to salvation if you follow His commandments. Jesus Christ commanded baptism into His name which includes the free gift of the Holy Ghost.
Living for God will give you a new direction but it is NOT salvation unless you complete the entire process of being converted from a DEATH state (Adam) to a LIFE state (Christ) accomplished through baptism into Jesus Christ
wilby1414 6 months ago
Being Born Of Water And Spirit means
When your born of water it means your Physical birth
Being born of Spirit is obviously When you accept Jesus Christ as you lord and savior
Because when we are born we are born spiritually Dead.
TheBus1992 8 months ago
@TheBus1992 Wrong wrong wrong--how can so many people be progating the same lie over & over?
If you think Jesus was refering to our physical birth then He could have said you must be on the earth and breathing first then you can be saved by the spirit. STOP making up your own salvation, in doing so you have to ignor alot of scriptures. Scriptures that tell us to be baptized into Jesus Christ for remission of sins--plus read Romans 6 where Paul clearly explains the process of baptism----THINK!!!
wilby1414 6 months ago
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I would also like to point out that Jesus says in Matthew 7:1 "Not all who say unto me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but those who have done the will of My Father who is in heaven WILL ENTER." If we do the will of God (not part of it, all of it.) we will enter. This includes not only believing, but baptism and repentance.So yes, Jesus himself said not everyone who believes he is lord will enter heaven.
morgancole95 8 months ago
@morgancole95 we are called to go out and Evangelize, preach the gospel, which is "doing". Baptism can only come after salvation, which means baptism is not a necessity for salvation, it is a declaration of the death of your previous life and being reborn into new life. And salvation is not an act, we are actually the ones who add the steps - you must do this and that in order to be saved. God gave us salvation, it is already here, we just need to accept it through faith in Jesus Christ.
SnuggleShakes 8 months ago
1 Cor. 7:19 "Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing. What matters is keeping the commandments of God."...This is why it didn' t matter that Abraham wasn't circumcised. Mark 16:16 "he who has believed AND been baptized shall be saved."...enough said. but here's more anyway. John 3:5 "Unless one is born of water AND spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven." why in the world would you risk your chance at heaven when you have such a straightforward answer as this???
morgancole95 8 months ago
is baptism is necessary for salvation? YES, its in the bible John 3:5 "... Except a man be born of WATER and SPIRIT, he cannot ENTER into the kingdom of God" baptism was introduced in the New Testament not in the Old Testament, so Abraham didn't have to be baptize. If people in the Old Testament wanted to go to heaven they needed 3 thing Faith, Obedience, and Blood. Abraham did have Faith in God, he was Obedient, and he did sacrifice animals. in Jh 3:5 Jesus is talking, so its not a ritual
Butters33 8 months ago
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Butters33 8 months ago
There is a such thing as "baptism of desire" for people who cannot be baptized before death for whatever reason. I would also like to add that what you mean by "necessary for salvation" is not the same as what other Christian groups mean. You mean "saved" as in you're going to heaven; in that case the answer is no, it's not necessary. Other groups mean you should do it if at all possible, but they realize that God is merciful and not everyone has access to baptism. Just like works...
stephe1987 8 months ago
My mother died believing in the lord and she was not baptized. However she told me and her children of a dream that the Virgin Mary mother of christ will take her away to heaven and when she died that's what we believe. My mother was not all that religious until the Virgin Mary came to visit her in a dream that she got until 2001 to do her deeps before she pass. I believe that when she died shes in heaven watching us from above and waiting for us to join her when its our time to pass.
AlvaroAndfriends 9 months ago
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Slythacore 9 months ago
Believing in Jesus [the work] is an obligation created by Gods work as Redeemer. Baptism like belief is this kind of work. Two, baptism is symbolism and thus exclusively illustrative. In every other respect we understand that notion to be incorrect. Weddings, enlistment, swearing into office or court, signing a mortgage all have great symbolic meaning, yet none-the-less they accomplish what they signify. The verses about Christian baptism suggest it accomplishes what it signifies. 2/2
Sirduke62 9 months ago
Thank you, 4 your winsome presentation of your reading of the biblical teaching on baptism. You make 2 points. One is that baptism a work and thus connecting it to salvation undermines salvation by faith. This argument turns on ruling out the most likely meaning of the word "work" in Eph 2:8-9 & Rom 3:38. "Work" as a non-agent of salvation is a work of moral merit. It is failure of moral obligation that causes condemnation. "Work" can include believing in Jesus John 6:29, and that saves us. 1/2
Sirduke62 9 months ago
Sure, God. Send me to hell just because my mom isn't religious and refuses to baptize me. Appearently my faith alone is not enough to save me. What an amazing God you are.
JukemDrawles89 10 months ago
@JukemDrawles89 so you know the whole point of this video is to show that "baptism is not necessary for salvation"? try looking into the video you're criticizing
thrik 9 months ago
How could Abraham have been justified by works of the law if Abraham wasn't under the law? What law was Abraham under for him to be justified by it?
rldlol 10 months ago
If baptism is not necessary for salvation then why was john the baptist was baptising people and why did jesus showed us that we should be baptised in the name of god and why during this event the voice of god was heard from the sky saying that Jesus is his Only SON ?
aklgramy 10 months ago
Paul (saul) was a servant of God, Correct? He was faithful to the call given by the Lord, Right? Paul was instructed by Ananias from God , Correct. God through Ananias instructed God's way for salvation to Paul, Instruction from God, Correct. Acts 22; 16, (I quote), and now why are you waiting? (speaking to unsaved Paul) arise and be baptized and wash away your sins, the method (baptism) and the effect, (removal of sins), (for salvation). 1 Peter 3 20-21 Baptism now saves us .
ELVISALIVE123 11 months ago
Jesus plainly said, "verily verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of the water, and of the spirit, he shall not see the kingdom of God." It's that simple. haha. silly people.
trrose9485 11 months ago
Let me take the liberty of pointing out "carmvideos" position: Acts 2 ... After hearing the wonderful sermon by Peter and the others on Pentecost, the hearers were pricked or stung in their hearts and cried out "Men and brethren, what shall we DO?" Those Jews were believers at that point - undeniably. What would Carmvideo have answered, "Why, nothing, you can't DO a thing - it's grace through faith only - and dead faith, at that." Blessed Peter didn't say anything of the sort, did he?
lllannallll 11 months ago
John 14: 14 Jesus "If ye ask me for anything ... " Apparently he applies this only to salvation. It certainly doesn't apply to replacing an amputees arm, does it? That's a gross misinterpretation. He teaches salvation at the point of rejecting the council of God and salvation at the point of a dead faith. Also, he relies heavily on Abraham, who was already an obedient, worshipping, faithful believer in God - to try to prove "faith only" by such a character is not the best move. Won't work.
lllannallll 11 months ago
He then moves to Gal 3: 5-6 ... and refers to "works of the law" - this refers to the Jewish law. Why, belief IS a work. He then refers to the so-called "sinners prayer" - a creature never found in the New Testament ANYWHERE. "Biblical belief" is defined by Thayer, correctly so, as "truth, confidence, faith COJOINED with the IDEA of OBEDIENCE." This man dissevers the two.
lllannallll 11 months ago
Point 1 concerned Abraham: Abraham was a saved man when he was an obedient, worshipping, faithful believer in God BEFORE Gen 15 - and before circumcision. To draw a parallel between circumcision (which was done at 8 days to males only) and baptism is a grievous error. So that's point 1 - and that takes care of 0.00 - 3:26
lllannallll 11 months ago
Take care that you don't confuse faith with "the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" Eph 2:2
The faith by which we are saved is in obedience to God's Word.
Ryabtg 11 months ago
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Matt 22:37
Jesus said " If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15"
Jesus said "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matt 28:19
Jesus also said "Follow me" and was himself baptized.
Ryabtg 11 months ago
Every act of conversion in the book of Acts involves baptism. Baptism is an act of faith. In 2 Kings 5, would Naaman have had complete faith or lack of faith had he not gone in dipped in the river Jordan 7 times? You trust more in your own human wisdom than God's Word. Naaman also thought it was silly for the prophet to tell him to dip in the Jordan, but his faith led him to do it and his leprosy was healed. I think this was left as an example for us today in order to deal with false teaching
horseman528 11 months ago
Sorry but you, false prophet, lack of Authority.... sorry
1Peter 3:21
"Those flood waters were like baptism that now saves you. But BAPTISM is more than just washing your body. It means turning to God with a clear conscience"
Mtt 28:19
"Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples. BAPTIZE them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,"
THANKS FOR YOUR "OPINION" FALSE PROPHET
But we OBEY Jesus, not you
Blesses
mjmenjivar 1 year ago
@mjmenjivar Read 1Peter 3:20..It was the Ark that saved them, not the water..1 Peter3:20 (because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ARK was being prepared, IN WHICH a few, that is, eight persons, WERE BROUGHT SAFELY through the water.)...so Baptism actually corresponds to the Ark. ...not the flood waters.
spellbiff 1 year ago
carmvideos.......If you dont wanna be baptised in Jesus name , then dont, keep your false teaching to your self. Your going out of your way to to preach against water baptism.
upperoom120 1 year ago
Abraham had not been commanded yet to be circumcised when he believed. The faith that saves is the faith that obeys. A person who does not believe baptism is necessary does not have complete faith in God's Word. They trust more in their own human wisdom rather than God's Word. I sure don't want to stand before him someday and say Your Word says, " He that believes and is baptized will be saved, but I say he who believes and is NOT baptized will be saved." Mk. 16:16
horseman528 1 year ago
this man is a lier show me anyone who did the sinners prayer why are you baptized ??????? JESUS said remission OF SINS will be preached IN HIS name ! RIGHT ???????? SO BAPTISM IS FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS DA !!!! john 3-5 is Jesus a lier ???? or this man a lier !!!? mark 16 ?? Jesus lieing or this man a lier ! NO 1 TIME DID ANYONE A DO A SINNERS PRAYER its a lie why do romans 10 8-10 when ver 13 is eazy da ita a lie !!!
MrDwaynedog911 1 year ago
No one is saying that a ritual saves. Duh!! It would be foolish to believe there's power in the water to do that which only God does through the blood of His Son. Or that we can earn salvation by doing a work. Another duh!! Read John 3:36. God requires us to believe and obey. Not one or the other, but both. According to Jesus' own words in Mark 16:16, is baptism part of the obedience that leads to salvation? Jesus says it is, and so I will obey Jesus and trust Him to save me.
Full4God 1 year ago
You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"(John 8:32)
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed(John 8:36)
So whatever you say or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law that sets you free(James 2:12)
“You shall love [...] your neighbor as yourself"(Luke10:27-28;Galatians5:14)
But if you look carefully into the perfect law that sets you free, and if you do what it says and don't forget what you heard, then God will bless you for doing it(James 1:25)
holyspiritoftruth 1 year ago
havent you read the faith chapter? heb 11:8-9 by faith abraham "obeyed". what if when God called abraham out to the place where he should recieve an inheritance and he was like " i dont have to leave home and go anywhere that would be work. im just gonna stay here because i believe you" would that be counted as righteousness? because we believe in God we obey God by being baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins. jn 3:5, mk 16:16, acts 2:37-38, acts 22:16, 1peter 3:21
jeffmurnahan 1 year ago
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Is our righteosness what saves us from the wages of Sin? So as Abraham believed in God, so should we believe Jesus when He said in John 3:5 "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Debjaz1980 1 year ago
Peter compared baptism unto the salvation of Noah. 1 Peter 3:21 -The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
We could go on and on with verses that demand water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ; but unless truth is desired, it falls on dead ground.
timupci 1 year ago
Not by works of righteousness (good works) which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Abraham was only saved because his sins were "rolled/pushed" forward by the sacrificial lamb. The saints of old "died in faith" (Hebrews 11:13, Matthew 13:17), having not received the promise (Acts 2:38-39). Dare I say that you are not saved unless you are "Washed" and "Renewed"?(Titus 3:5)
timupci 1 year ago
Mark 16:16, from mouth of our Savior Himself "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (see John 3:5)
In John 3:5 Jesus told Nicodemus, "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Water IS an essential part of Salvation and the ONLY water that Jesus refereed to in that manner was Baptism.
timupci 1 year ago
The question is why are we stepping in God's shoes and say that baptism is not part of salvation or can someone be saved by baptism. The answer is we should not decide for God that we are saved without baptism. Preach the Truth! God is the Judge.
rheemruudweatherking 1 year ago
Baptism is act of obedience by faith.
rheemruudweatherking 1 year ago
Baptism is a proclamation of your saving "Faith" in Christ. But being baptized is not what saves you. It is by grace through faith and is a gift from God. Read: John 3:16, Romans 3:22, 24, 26, 28-30, 4:3, 5, 11, 16, 5:1, 9, 9:30, 33, 10:4, 9-10, 11:6, Galatians 2:16, 21, 3:5-6, 8, 14, 22, 24, Ephesians 1:13, 2:8, Phil 3:9 and 1 Timothy 1:16.
kristingomez 1 year ago
try to explain away baptism as much as you can, but the fact remains baptism is still necessary biblically. that will not change.
djraoul100 1 year ago
@djraoul100 how can water baptism save you?
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
What this fellow really believes is that a person is saved by belief or faith only before and without any further acts of obedience - whether mental or physical or both. Watch how carefully he avoids repentance. He'll say "faith only", while James says "not by faith only", and had he been present on Pentecost, his answer would have been a little different that Peter's, I suppose.
lllllannalllll 1 year ago
Perhaps you need an actual translation instead of a commentary (so-called thought translation). Both the KJV and the ASV say they were baptized "unto" (toward) Moses, not "into" Moses. The baptism of Rom.6 that is "into" Christ, is an actual baptism, where they were dead, buried, and ressurrected. Later in chapter 6 in vs 17-18, Paul reminds them that they OBEYED that FORM (vs 3-8) of doctrine, and were THEN made free from sin. The obedience comes first. See Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, 1Pet.3;20-21.
exdesertrat 1 year ago
For the truth about baptism, search YouTube for " Searching for Truth - Baptism (part 1 of 5) "
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exdesertrat 1 year ago
Baptism is not a “work.” It’s not even something we “do.” Rather, it’s something that is done to us. There are some things “we” must do (work). We must “do” the believing, repenting, and confessing. But baptism is the one thing we do not do, rather it is done to us. We humbly submit to the command and allow ourselves to be baptized in obedience to God. “We” do no work in being baptized. Baptism is not a work. It’s a command of God we submit to (Acts 22:16). Be baptized and wash away your sins.
exdesertrat 1 year ago
“But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, BUT YE HAVE OBEYED from the heart THAT FORM OF DOCTRINE which was delivered you. Being THEN made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness” (Ro.6:17-18). What “form” did they obey that made them free from sin? ANSWER: BAPTISM (Ro.6:3-9). Notice the word “then.” Being “then” made free from sin came after obeying the command to be baptized “into” Christ (v 3). Washing away sins comes after our obedience (Acts 22:16).
exdesertrat 1 year ago
Baptism is a New Testament (NT) command. The NT didn’t come into effect until after the Lord’s death (Heb.9:16-17). Abraham lived before the NT came into force and so, the command to be baptized didn’t apply to him. While he is an excellent example of what it means to be faithful to God’s word of his time, using him as an example of the actual commands we should or shouldn’t obey shows that one doesn’t know how to “rightly divide the word of truth” (2Tim.2:15). We live under the NT, not the OT.
exdesertrat 1 year ago
I really think the reason people are against faith alone is because it sounds like faith is something casual like acknowledgement/agreement. People who merely agree and uderstand the gospel I don't believe are saved. Faith is a holding on, in this context, for "dear-freaking life". If this is real faith, works will naturally flow out. If I take God at His word, believe his promises, obviously some works will result in accordance with that belief....
dzindzichvilli 1 year ago
@dzindzichvilli For example: "In your presence oh Lord is fullness of joy, at your right hand are pleasures forever more" Psalm 16:11 Why give into sin when there's greater joy in God's presence? Why store up for yourself treasures on earth, when eternal treasures are for those who live for them? The problem with the world: We are faithless, we do not believe God, unbelief is root of the problem, it always has been. If we did believe "our works would work in accordance with our faith" Jam.2
dzindzichvilli 1 year ago
What is the fate of those who do not obey the gospel? (2 Thes.1:8; 1 Pet.4:17). The gospel is the good news of the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord (1 Cor 15:1-4). Those are the facts of the gospel, but we cannot obey facts, we can only obey commands. What command might we obey to be obeying the gospel (death, burial, resurrection)? Answer: Rom.6:3-5. We MUST obey the gospel or be lost (2 Thes.1:8; 1 Pet.4:17). Have you obeyed the gospel? Have you been buried with Jesus in baptism?
exdesertrat 1 year ago
Did you realize that it wasn’t until AFTER Abraham’s obedience to God’s word that God declared, “NOW I know that thou fearest God”? (Gen.22:12). Obedience is necessary to salvation. Heb.5:8-9 says the Lord is, “the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.” One cannot be saved without obedience.
Under the New Testament there is no salvation outside of Christ. We’re baptized “into” Christ (Gal.3:27, Rom.6:3). And one is outside of Christ until they are baptized “into” Christ.
exdesertrat 1 year ago
@exdesertrat What about 1 Cor. 10:2, where it says people were baptized "into" Moses? There was no baptism back then, and I'm pretty sure belief in Moses didn't get you into heaven. It's a turn of phrase that is taken literally, and thus, wrongly. To be baptized into Christ means you are a devout follower, as those who followed Moses were baptized into him.
AgamatoStrange 1 year ago
We live under the New Testament (NT). Abraham lived before the NT came into force. The command to be baptized came in the NT, and so didn’t apply to Abraham.
The NT command to be baptized didn’t come into effect until after the Lord’s death (Heb.9:16-17). While Abraham is an excellent example of what it means to be faithful to God’s word, using him as an example of the actual commands that must be obeyed shows that one doesn’t know how to “rightly divide the word of truth” (2Tim.2:15).
exdesertrat 1 year ago
Faith alone is dead. James 2:14-26
Abraham obeyed God. That is why he was saved. would he have been given the promised land if he had not obeyed the Lord? but beleif was enough right?
hebrews 11:8
he by faith obeyed the Lord
Faith without works is dead. Faith alone wasn't enough. He obeyed too.
have you obeyed the gospel of Jesus? acts 22:16
if not your sins are not washed away because you are not in the blood of Christ by being in his death...we are inhis death by baptism romans 6:3-4
BlackEyeBeatings 1 year ago
@BlackEyeBeatings James doesn't say that works justifies us before God. Or that Abraham was saved by works. Paul however does say that Abraham was justified by his faith (Rom 4:1-25). Faith without works is dead. It is dead faith. That is it is not truly faith. To say that works justifies us before God means that there was no reason for Christ to die on the Cross (Galatians 2:21)
dungeongrappling 1 year ago
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you still didnt answer my question
BlackEyeBeatings 1 year ago
@dungeongrappling
you still didnt answer my question.
lol
works cant justify anybody.
being faithful requires works. Rev. 2:10
BlackEyeBeatings 1 year ago
@BlackEyeBeatings What question? You asked me none.
Works justify no one before God. The thought is absurd. God can see the heart of an individual. He knows whether they are truly faithful or faking. Works can only justify us before men.
dungeongrappling 1 year ago
LOL ... Matt makes such a ridiculous attempt to exclude baptism that he also excludes repentance. If not, I'd like to see how he worms around and tries to ADD it - probably says faith implies repentance, but that's a worse trap - because then it could also imply baptism. Not a single conversion in the book of Acts occurs as he teaches. And who equates Christian baptism with circumcision? NO ONE - merely a distraction, a straw man, set up to punch down.
lllllannalllll 1 year ago
Matt confuses works of the Law and works of faith. "Baptism is a ritual". Jesus is the guy maintaining "Faith and a ritual." According to Jesus. "He who believes and is baptized, the same shall be saved" Mark 16:16
According to Peter: Acts 2:38 "believe and be baptized for the remission of sins"
According to Paul: "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Gal 3:27. You left this part out.
Abraham restates his blessing: faith and obedience Gen 22:16-18
answeringantimormons 1 year ago
@answeringantimormons You only quoted part of Mark 16:16, the rest is, "but whoever does not believe will be condemned"(ESV) If Jesus is clasping the two acts together, why did he not do the same for the rest of the statement? Belief is the point here, then outward profession flows out from belief. Also, I can't find the translation you used, which translation is it?
zinigoe 1 year ago
@zinigoe
I don't really care what it takes NOT to be saved, do you? Doesn't it matter what Jesus says it takes to be saved? Isn't that the most important thing? If not, then nothing is important.
The argument that somehow the second half of that verse makes any difference at all to people who have faith is truly an absurdity. Sorry, but of course those lacking faith will likewise lack obedience. Do ya think? I find it interesting you avoid what Jesus said those with faith must do. Why?
answeringantimormons 1 year ago
@answeringantimormons Kind person, I believe you avoided the question by appealing to ridicule. Also, I am sorry if I did not explain my point fully: In light of the whole verse, we see belief is the point of the statement, then outward profession (i.e. baptism) flows out from belief. Baptism is not a independent variable apart from belief, but it is a dependent variable on belief. It's a longitudinal chain of events. That's what I'm getting exterminating the text in context. Hope this helps.
zinigoe 1 year ago
@zinigoe I see your point about actions growing out of faith, and of course it is true that every deliberate action has its root in a thought or motive. But that does not change the force of Mark 16:16. The two conditions for salvation, belief and baptism, are grammatically and contextually equal. The only reason someone would state that one is more important than the other for salvation is because of a theological interpretation, not from the text. So "faith only" is refuted with this.
answeringantimormons 1 year ago
@answeringantimormons Actually the second part of the verse is just important as the first part. That is the problem with baptismal regeneration. It takes verses out of context. If failure to be baptized doesn't damn you then it can not save you.
There are two types of people. The baptized believer and the non believer.
You hit it. If you lack faith then you will lack obedience, however if you have faith (truly saved) then you will have obedience.
dungeongrappling 1 year ago
If this was true, that baptism is not required, then no condition is required for salvation even repentance. Baptism is not a work this is not What Paul was discussing in Romans if so, Romans 6-8 could be removed because it is all about baptism and the regeneration done by the Holy Spirit. It is the operation of God not the work of man.
jettroopertechnolord 1 year ago
What a true christian, who is mature in the Faith will understand through their walk in Christ is that no work, no prayer, no confession, no ritual, will save you unless your heart is right. If your heart is not motivated by love for God and your neighbor(everybody on earth), everything you say and do for God means nothing to him. You can be a legalistic Christian and Spit verses all you want but none of it means nothing if no love exist. I Corinthians 13, Galations 5:6, 1 Thess 1:3, 1John3,4.
Judgement220 1 year ago
I think Mr Matt Slick is missing the point of why people think baptism is part of salvation. The reason for 90% of christians(mostly of that body is catholic) believe baptism is necessary for salvation because they believe that baptism literally joins them with Jesus at the cross and it is a ritual done by Christ and not by man; eventhough if its a human being doing the ritual. The Meat of those verses are in Romans Chapter 6 and Colossians 2:11-12.
Judgement220 1 year ago
What did Peter mean it 1Peter 3: 20 and 21 when he said that "water" saved Noah. and that, that "water symbolizes "BAPTISM" That "now saves you also"?
alval2v 1 year ago
Faith without works is dead, they go hand in hand... one without the other makes the other one void... James 2:20-24, & 26... Surely you will not die if you dis-obey God, I mean eat of the fruit...
TheLastEntry 1 year ago
@alval2v Not just one verse but many of them that point to us being the speak of us being the bride and Christ the bridegroom. Once you realize when the wedding day and consummation of the marriage is you will realize that we currently live a betrothed promise. At this point we're just engaged to be married. Now that I've given you the story line I'll let you select the exact references. HOW SHOULD WE THEN LIVE?
alandcoons 1 year ago
Amen! To brother Jesusismyhero123. I would like to know more.
bamrboy99 1 year ago
BY THE WAY ---- Baptism for salvation was practiced throughout the early church... all the way up until Zwingli. If you say Baptism is not the time or the occasion one is saved, then you go against the Bible and the early church
bsiemon82 1 year ago 2
@bsiemon82 Amen!
alval2v 1 year ago
col 2:8-12 --- The book of Acts. Baptism is not a work we do but something God does for us.
bsiemon82 1 year ago
telling people that they are saved on works is opening up a door way to satan and his demons into your life. You mys well just ignor the two masters where Jesus said you can not serve God and mammon for you can not serve to masters equally not one higher then the other and God is jealous God any Christians who states there real Christian should know this.
InTheseBooks 1 year ago
we all know too well there are false preachers all over the world trying to destroy the word of God but we see in revelation that well never happen and we also see in the four gospels Gods word well always be faithful. Judge less be judged for someone to say baptism is salvation is judging the word of God he never says anywhere in the bible that water saves you which is works and not faith alone that saves you. Christ Jesus taught faith saves you not by works.
InTheseBooks 1 year ago
Jesus said in order to be born again you must be born with water and spirit he never says here you must be baptized by john in order to get to heaven.
He never says anywhere in scripture you must go in river and get salvation.
He never says any man on earth can give you salvation but only by me can i give you eternal life John 3: 16 SAYS I am the truth the light and he who belieth in me well never die but have ever lasting life.
InTheseBooks 1 year ago
please point out others also teaching this because i have foudn that the Romanian churches in Romania also kind of believe in baptism is salvation too also even though Jesus was not baptized by laying of hands on his head he was emerged. .Jesus also states this and people take it out of context and like to say this story in stead according to John 1-4 Nicodemus said and how is one born again and Jesus said
InTheseBooks 1 year ago
Baptism is not salvation here are some churches claiming this to be true. Mormons how ever mormons believe you have to do more then just go under a font of water or say jacuzzie and then rise back up with hands layed on your head when you go under practically drowning you lol. How ever if you have faith you are like in a mist when your baptized by a mormon bishop because the power soothes through you. but what power is this is it the angel of light Jesus warned us about that satan appears
InTheseBooks 1 year ago
I like this! In your face Campbellites! Say what you want to but at the end of the day he is right baptism is a rituaul and God saves by grace through faith!
stanTman666 1 year ago
This man is a liar and a tare. Look into his eyes and what do you see ? I see slits.
teedjay77 1 year ago
@teedjay77 and i see you should take the two sevens ouit of your name and add a six while your at it. lets turn your two sevens upside down latter day saints lol.
InTheseBooks 1 year ago
Col.2:8-12... Watch "Paradise Destination" @ Truthseeker424... God Bless!
Truthseeker424 1 year ago
i can't believe that you are actually saying this! what about john and jesus. were they just playing in the water? i am really laughing at this video. thank god for catholicism for making everything clear to me.
Catholicist 1 year ago
@Catholicist Since you bring up this Jesus who is our salvation -- maybe you can then explain why the Christ was baptised -- where was the His sin that needed repentance? I thought He was the perfect lamb of God come to take away the sins of all the world!?
alandcoons 1 year ago
@alandcoons Jesus was baptized because all High Priest are required by Jewish law to go through this ceremony. Before they can be declared the High Priest. Jesus was fulling the law.
radarradar100 1 year ago
@radarradar100 Jesus was Baptized to reveal that their Messiah has come. John 1:29-32
alval2v 1 year ago
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@Catholicist , hate to tell you, but "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." - John 14:6
Catholics confess to men, not to Jesus.
Where you then are told to use works/deeds to fill in the holes of your sin.
Catholics also pray to saints and worship Mary, which is wrong.
jarak36 1 year ago
@jarak36 St.John 14:6, i and we already know-ur not using the verses with right interpretation. if u really knew catholicism or good catholics this u would know=we pray first to Jesus before confession,then during to Jesus, the priest is to be a spiritual helper-to pray for us.do u pray for someone when they ask u?EXACTLY! works/deeds=not exactly=although=James 2:14-26"...For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead".WE DON'T WORSHIP MARY AND WE DON'T WORSHIP SAINTS
Catholicist 1 year ago
@jarak36 READ OUR PRAYERS FROM SAINTS AND U'LL KNOW WHAT WHY WE PRAY WITH THEM. THEY ARE THE WITNESSES. ALSO MARY IS TO BE HONORED JUST AS JESUS HONORED IS MOTHER. DO U HONOR AND RESPECT UR MOTHER, OR NOT? SHE IS SPECIAL INDEED. THE HAIL MARY PRAYER IF U READ IT IT SAYS "....PRAY FOR US SINNERS.." JUST AS I TOLD U BEFORE WE ASK THE SAINTS TO PRAY BEFORE US AND BEHALF OF US. IN THE BIBLE SAYS THERE ARE SAINTS UPON EARTH AND IN HEAVEN, AND THEY R WE THEM AND US AS WITNESSES OF FAITH IN CHRIST.
Catholicist 1 year ago
@Catholicist "I am the way the truth and the life. NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH ME John 14:6 what an insult to Jesus when you go to dead people whom you call saints to pray for and on behalf of you. when you become born again, you become a saint. not when you die. and yes Marry was a chosen vessel of God. and she should be respected but not worshiped. and yes when you pray you worship.
alval2v 1 year ago
@alval2v do u honor ur mother?if not, then u should throw her out of ur life as well and-or never mention her again.Jesus honored his mother and he said at the foot of the cross=John, sake Mary as your mother.Jesus never called her mother but he gave her to us as a way to him and recognize that JESUS WAS INFACT BORN.Luke 1:48-Mary prophesies that all generations shall call her blessed.WE DON'T WORSHIP HER,WE HONOR HER! ur taking the word Worship out of context.ENGLISH IS MOST CORRUPTED LANGUAGE!
Catholicist 1 year ago
@Catholicist i agree with most of what you said. up till you said "Jesus gave her to us as a way to him?" ABSOLUTELY NOT! their is no way to Jesus but through the Spirit of God. you read the scriptures but you do not understand them. you Catholics worship what you do not know. we worship what we do know. God is spirit and the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
alval2v 1 year ago
@alval2v i asked u do u honor ur mother or not? if yes or no, ur contridicting and do not understanding scripture from Genesis-to-Revelations. my friend, i read scripture from my Aramaic language,Arabic and Assyrian. Our Church from the first century clearly demonstrate our scripture understandings. first of all, there were no scripture for 400yrs and yet we see Apostles of Christ teaching them these of scriptures. SORRY, BUT U R READING ANTI-CATHOLIC THINGS ONLY AND NOT RESPECTING HISTORY.
Catholicist 1 year ago
@Catholicist forgive me the frustration in my words. my frustration is not geared toward you. it's toward the Catholic church. you believe in things that are contrary to scripture. no fault of your own. that's what you have been taught. i Pray that God will open your eyes to see the truth. the truth will set you free.
alval2v 1 year ago
@alval2v no my friend...the Catholic Church is not at fault nor it is my fault!why?because it is by Sacred Tradition (with Capital T, not "t" of men),by Jesus' authoritative power by the Holy Spirit.I am a Middle Eastern Catholic and i see confusion among many of protestants or whatever u r out there.DID U READ WHAT I WROTE OR UR JUST OVER-READING IT? Way to Jesus thru Mary is that to say that to give evidence that Jesus really was born of a virgin and that we r to respect her special role...
Catholicist 1 year ago
@Catholicist i apologize for the miss understanding of your words. i agree with your reply that Jesus was born of a virgin. i believe that. but your wording did make it sound like you were saying that, like Jesus is the way to God. Mary is a way to Jesus. again if that was not what you were saying then i do apologize. k. your first comment... please elaborate. you lost me. what is by "Sacred Tradition"?
alval2v 1 year ago
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The Liturgical Book of Deuteronomy teaches us...
Baptism is the means in which we cross the Jordan with Christ, letting Him pay our ransom as Joshua, Our Hope of the Promised Land.
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Alms, Fasting, Prayer.
ammazzamoro 1 year ago
Brothers stop being rebellious as was and is the devil himself. The entire word of God is based on a covenant between God and his people. Circumcision with the hands was put off for circumcision with out the hands; BAPTISM! It's gotta be done! OBET ACTS 2:38! I know who your father is... the rebellious one.
Truthseeker424 1 year ago
The Holy Bible FOREVER separated baptism and the Gospel in 1 Corinthians 1:17 and that means that man does not have the right to place together what God has separated. Romans 1:16 says that salvation comes to the one who believes, not to the one who is baptized. If baptism is not part of the Gospel, then it cannot be part of Salvation. It is that simple.
gateroadmusic 1 year ago
OBEY ACTS 2:38..
Truthseeker424 1 year ago
"those who are not born of the water and the spirit will not see the kingdom of heaven"
-jesus
seems pretty cut and dry no baptism= no heaven.
foxdragon84 1 year ago 2
@foxdragon84 - YOU SAID PRETTY CLEAR!
Catholicist 1 year ago
Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus. Does Nicodemus have the any idea what Christian water baptism is about? NO! The concept of Christian baptism is not known until Acts. The only baptism Nicodemus has known was the ritual washings of the Jews or the ones done John the Baptist. Jesus ask, Are you the teacher of Israel, and don"t understand these things? Jesus rebukes Nicodemus because he doesn't know something fundamental that he ought to have understood. This couldn't be Christian water baptism.
radarradar100 1 year ago
@radarradar100 as when you are baptised you are born again........Being born again is a Jewish idiom of when a gentile who wants to convert to Judaism go through the process of becoming a Jew, then would do an immersion "a mikvah" and then come up as a new creation and in every which way he would be considered Jewish.
foxdragon84 1 year ago
@radarradar100 there is no deiffrence between the concept of the christian baptsim and the jewish one. the formula may be diffrent but what the convert gets out of it is the same. it is a rebirth, ritual purity. "out with the old and in with the new"
foxdragon84 1 year ago
1st Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God.) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
Acts 2:38
Mark 16:16
Romans chapter 6
John 3:3-7
Here are a few ways to validate.
Also Note Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Slythacore 1 year ago
Mr. Slick, you walked right into a trap. Did you not even consider James 2:14-26, or did you just leave that out because it's convenient? Ask yourself this, if Abraham does not offer Isaac up, is he a righteous man? Of course not, if he didn't do that work, then his faith would not be made complete. Isn't that right?
Also, you fail to even mention the point that Paul is trying to make in Romans 4. He's trying to kill the idea that you must remain loyal to the Law of Moses. Rom 3:28-29.
Concatenate 1 year ago
Hello,Jesus is my hero, Could you please do me a Favor.? could you make a uncut and un spliced video in which you state the phrase as follows- I accept The Lord Jesus Christ forever.and deny Satan---Satan is a Fool.and then Say Amen.please do this and i will subscribe.
SILKIL68 1 year ago
None of us has been saved until Christ returns and gives us new resurrected bodies.
Anything else is just a promise yet to be fulfilled: whether by faith or baptism (works).
How Should We Then Live?
alandcoons 2 years ago
@alandcoons-SO YOU TOO IS GOING TO HELL?! READ THE BIBLE THROUGHLY, DON'T GO AGAINST JESUS WORDS!!!
Catholicist 1 year ago
@Catholicist ?I didn't say anything about Hell? This thread is about the need for baptism for salvation. I was moving the time frame to a point in the future (when Christ returns) when salvation is REALLY accomplished. Everything leading to the REAL event is a portent, events and actions (e.g. baptism) only point to and looking forward to the REAL happening- our REAL salvation is in Christ upon his returning. Meanwhile we live by faith a promise of a future home- JUST LIKE ABRAHAM!
alandcoons 1 year ago
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