Miners Leaving Pendlebury Colliery (1901)

[menacinghat]

black guy probably has sut on his face. If you took a grainy film his face would look black. Look at his hands and you will see paleness

[Zeggle]

I bet there was one or two of these lads fought Napoleon at Waterloo ?

[SnorfRaider]

@Zeggle Waterloo was 1815, so i guess they would still be working at over 100 years old to be in this scene...lol

[georgecmarshall]

Great video! Thanks for posting it.

[therymer]

I believe that there is a black fella in the film. You can see him very clearly, I also have a possible reason why he might be in Pendelbury as there was an Industrial School in Swinton, which taught poor and destitute children trades. I have been researching it as I believe some of my own family where sent to the Manchester Moral and Industrial School (as it was known) one of whom became a coal miner. In my local research of the Manc / Salford area I have found people from all over the place.

[youtuuberoxx]

0:45 that guy is clever...walk in front of the camera to promote his play or whatever that sign said lol

[YuTubeOO]

104 years later YouTube was born

[misscupcake]

I didn't see an African man.... I noticed a few chaps with black faces but that would be because they were colliery workers... but I didn't notice any black man? did anyone else? if so... can you tell me where?

[omak1974]

@misscupcake 0:37 to 0:41

[misscupcake]

@omak1974 Thanks! I saw it now :)

[miamad]

@misscupcake This is before England ruined herself.

[1adadada]

@miamad yep down the pit for 15 hours, work 6 days a week, black lung, no minimum wage, no holidays, rigid class system where the prols knew their place,work houses, TB, 1/5 of the population employed in domestic service with less rights than an indentured slave, no health care, no education, child labour, compulsory conscriptions to non stop wars, slums, overcrowding, universal poverty and death before 50. England has really gone down hill since.

[Crecybowman]

@misscupcake He appears from the right at about 0:37. And has a bit of a 'rough house' with his white friend.

[chanctonbury63]

@misscupcake Between 0.31 when hes on the far right and 0.38 when hes in the middle. He then exits left.

[ALBIONTYKE]

I thought the guy at the start of the film was going to cause some trouble as he approached the camara, he looked non too happy.

[olebaj]

Cameras were a sight to behold, how they stare at the camera.

[TheMightyAntar]

I would guess that this is unstaged by the actions and reactions of the different groups of people that come into shot. Clearly some of them are miners, but maybe not all. The black man and the group who he emerges with all have fairly clean shirts although his "mate" has a jacket on.

[doubledeckers]

Do you think there is any possibility that he was planted by the film-makers as a gag?

[magicmomentsvideo]

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[99raconteur]

Does any body know the actual colliery, i am aware of Agecroft Colliery in Pendlebury, could this be there?

[JAMESSTEPHANALI]

agecroft was built in 1960 could be newtown pit that was oppersite the oddfellows pub or wheatsheef that was where mcdonalds is now

or Lumn's Colliery closed in 1932

[99raconteur]

my dad used to work at wheatsheaf and Agecroft in the 1960's and i was born when we were living in the area, hence my interest. i havn't been there in years so i have no idea where oddfellows is nor MacDonlads.

[JAMESSTEPHANALI]

I was interested in the as my grandad lost is arm in one of these pits he was 15 years old in 1918 he received £15 cash lump or 6 pence a week for life

wheatsheeth and newtown pit were both on bolton rd have a look on google earth cumberland ave for newtown and labtec street for wheatsheef

[99raconteur]

are you still living in the area? I have many memories from my youth growing up the area. i have had a look and also noticed that the school i used to go to is now the site for a restaurant, Isis!

[99raconteur]

just noticed that the restaurant is next to the school.

[JAMESSTEPHANALI]

st augustines is still there its next to isis that used to be the Station Hotel I still live localy so any info let me know

[99raconteur]

i think it would be good if we communicated on email, but i am not sure if it is wise to post me email address here???

[dee3177]

Wow, to think that all those people are dead, and in a couple of years we will be like them too.

[theOlLineRebel]

Are they talking about the guy at :34-40? I can't tell for sure that's a black guy or not! I saw too much flash of "white" when he got pushed - I wouldn't gamble it was a black man vs. another white guy with coal dust all over him! Never mind his arms look "white"!

[DementedCaver]

I just keep thinking that the movie is so old that everybody in this film must be dead at this point. How morbid of me is that?

[Pickulus]

lol these ppl are on youtube.

[alecchalmers]

yea, I bet they never thought they would be uploaded to a video sharing website over a hundred years later.

[poetlaureatte94]

it is ineffable.. who would ever have guessed?! mankind is fascinating.

[Pickulus]

why is it a pleasure to see a negro walk amongst white miners??

[palehorsepalerider]

its thick soot you moron

[Veronicaloveroyeah]

barely any black or mexican people i see. woww

[BRUMMIE1875]

It always amazes me how everyone looks into the camera in these old films - they look like startled rabbits.

[johncas1]

Well you don't see a movie camera every day oh look there is someone with a sony camcorder and they had to do what the film maker tells them to to and yes there on film not every day you got filmed

[Olphus]

they still do

[PremiumSoul]

A good thing to try is to mentally switch your place with the camera and it makes feel more awkward thinking if all those people were staring at you if you traveled back into that time with modern they clothes and looks .

[wiseguysrealise]

This is one of my favourite Mitchell and Kenyons. Great stuff. After reading the review it kind of turns into a game of "Where's Wally"

[Pickulus]

you mean "wheres waldo"

[norwichtiger]

Great Stuff. Very little variation in fashion, I didn't see a single person without a hat or bonnet. Thank you BFI.

[johncas1]

That was standard dress in those days for working class people only the upper classes had the expensive clothes like the colliery manager would of

[boerborn]

hardly any obese people back then.

[johncas1]

Yeh you worked so hard you burnt off all the fat

[BradloRaul]

@boerborn To be sure mining coal must have been quite slimming. That extra 5 pounds of dust in their lungs though was no joke.

[rachzen]

If there were obese people, do you think it would be a good idea for them to be miners?

[boerborn]

@rachzen

It would not be my call if they be miners or not but if an obese person needed a job to survive and support their family and mining was the only job offered, then the choice would have been a done deal.

Early 20th century mining labour techniques in Britain would certainly make that obese miner into a svelte miner in a matter of a year or two if they survived the physical rigor .

[boerborn]

@petertownend I am neither fat or a bastard and I am only partial to an Eccles cake with tea the odd time after an arduous tour is finished by yours truly  as a member of our local cycling club.

[boerborn]

@petertownend

The only fat there is is between your ears it seems.

[petertownend]

@boerborn don't talk so chuffin silly,anyway sorry for winding you up.

[boerborn]

@petertownend

No, your schoolboy silliness did not wind me up 'cause I can roll with the best of them.

We will be as gone from this planet in a few years as those miners on that celluloid that Mitchell and Kenyon filmed and all our egos will disappear at the moment of death, which is a good thing.

[petertownend]

@boerborn ok cheers

[jamie6747]

Thanks for this

[BdolfVanNille]

Fascinating stuff. Thanks for this:))