180° in 180 2/1/11 Prostitution - Egypt /Jordan/Middle East - Democracy

[papakilatube]

Democracy emerged as a rebellion against monarchy. Most of the world prefers it to authoritarianism, communism and theocracy. Those are the choices so far. Democracy wins hands down. When the whole world has it, then we can start figuring out something better.

[7greenjeans7]

1. "Good" people don't need laws and "bad" people don't follow them.

2. It's not the law that has an effect on society (see #1), it's punishment and the fear of it.

3. The globally growing number and kinds of laws is evidence of an attempt at a god-like level of control of the planet (luciferianism) by our rulers. They think they're so smart but they forget...

4. ...Control is an illusion.

[cobrachoppergirl]

People think Iraq after the war, Rhwanda, Afganistan, these places are in anarchy, but they are not. They are failed states, not anarchistic societies. If anything, they are perfect examples of what happens when states go wrong, and on the origin of new states, which starts with gangster warlords fighting for power, and once a top dog rises out they then assume the illusionary mantel of legitimate government. Look at the US, founded by traitors, seditionists, slaves, criminals, rebels.

[cobrachoppergirl]

People think if there is anarchy, that all of a sudden there would be wide scale murder, looting, and rape. That's what the state wants you to believe. That is just hogwash. Such a state is not anarchy, its what happens after a state collapses, which is not anarchy, its a collapsed state where fear was the only think keeping people in line, not integrity. One, most people do not want to murder, loot, or rape. Two, you assume people are far more evil than good.

[cobrachoppergirl]

I'd rather have total anarchy any day than the corrupt police state we have now, where nearly everyone is disenfranchised from birth from the political process. At least total anarchy is honest about it... that really, its everyone for themselves, and the only person who will defend your rights are you yourself. Think Anarchy can and never will work? Its been working and works today. Look at a Forest; a forest is total anarchy, and yet a balance and natural order is found.

[finefilth]

ITS HARD TO PUT A METER ON A VAGINA MIKE , THATS WHY GUBBAMINT OPPOSES IT, THEY DONT GET A CUT

[PortlandEye503]

Bunny Ranch.

[Nabo00o]

But this all comes down to this: You do not need to see it tried 100%

Perfect anarchy, perfect libertarian capitalism without state, are two situation wholly impossible to exist by themselves.

It is like a nail balancing on its tip; it will fall to either side, and with continually increased speed.

Without the government (or whatever you like to call it) there to support it, keeping it upright, it will plummet to the ground, in anarchy, no laws, and then back to the junglelaw.

[Nabo00o]

I am in the process of watching your "money as debt" vid, so I guess I'll get a better understanding of your viewpoint.

Well no. No country has been entirely without a state with the capitalistic system, it is a self-contradiction. My point was that it has been tried basically all around the world, with states of different levels of control, like for example the backyard of USA which has been the center for social/economic experiments for a long time.

[lovemusiceveryday]

yeah like in amsterdam its been over there workin ok 4 yrs and legal weed smoking

[Mauhadeeb28]

You had it right the first time: "Democracy is Majority tool". Exactly. Democracy is a majority of tools.

[georgealexander]

Thanks Mike, I'm also a fan of Stefan Molyneux, I'm learning to think in a new way. I appreciate your posts.Thank you.

[nofxmike06]

In the society free of statism, what do we do when someone murders another? Who investigates the murder? Where is it done? When is it done? What is the financial benefit/incentive for the person taking time out of their everyday job to investigate a murder? Do we kill the murderer by proxy, restrain by majority, or allow him/her/it to keep killing. These are all questions that pop into my head. I don't claim to be an expert. I'm curious, not condescending in tone.

[JakkaLakkaDingDing]

@nofxmike06 Well it might go something like this... A person would most likely be paying for private police protection (which would have an incentive to punish criminals as to reform them or remove them from society all together) So the company could hire a private investigator to do it, or a forensics team or whatever to investigate. Once found out the culprit would be subject to a private court, which if they refuse to attend would likely be blacklisted by most of society.

[NoorminAllah]

Don't ever watch the news. It's like swollowing poison

[jimbobubbadj]

I don't like Mubarak but the Egyptians must be careful to not allow the World Bank, IMF, Central Banking and other evil financial entities to take his place.

[ewops]

I think Jordan's King Abdullah fired his prime minister and members of his cabinet.

[ewops]

I Jordan's King Abdullah fired his prime minister and members of the cabinet.

[TheEllipsis731]

What is the zeitgiest?

[phillipgaley]

@TheEllipsis731 Zeitgiest writ large, is a cover for a global commune—with bunches of fancy names for old ideas which have been tried—and as is usual of communes, a small cabal will decide who gets to live without working, the while, so many worker-bees who might, will call in sick—communes provide for some kind of oligarchy, and discourage individual incentive, . . . kind of like most of Europe, . . .

[TheEllipsis731]

@phillipgaley Wow... I was actually thinking it was a conspiracy theory or something... So it's just some communist dream theory?

[phillipgaley]

@TheEllipsis731 A little conspiracy here-and-there, but mostly it's not just the scholarly types who will recite Hegel or Marx, etc., but most any one who seeks a prophet of some new confusion is simply making practical use of general misunderstanding and confusion in the minds of the many—advocate for Zeitgiest, the Venus Project, UNESCO, whatever—but "in a resource based economy" the George Soros types, will use their resources to secure their control positions—not share bank accounts, . . .

[phillipgaley]

@TheEllipsis731 And always, it is to be remembered that, the central planner types have only to make use of the improvident nature and necessitous conditions in which most people live—which is to say, they're hungry, they have to spend most of their time working.

And, Marxism "Workers Unite!" is a ridiculous postulate because of the same reasons for Spartacus' failure: All slave rebellions must fail, because of the lacks inhering in slaves; so, Marxism is taught, being a mere distraction, . . .

[Torgo1969]

As Hans-Hermann Hoppe writes, Democracy is The God That Failed.

[phillipgaley]

@Torgo1969 Hoppe's simplistic notions fail to comprehend the fact that, what we have, is the real democracy—'neath a guise of popular vote, equality, fraternity, liberty, welfare, WHATEVER, and so forth, a small cabal drawn from the principal political parties, controls everything, . . . and, is all the more able to control everything, simply for the fact that, the populace believes that, in variety, democracy is what they are living, . . .

[wadscardear]

hellyeh, that was badass. all gov prohibitions have failed. democracy sucks.

[62636263c]

It is not about ending anything, it is about using it to control and extort the people.

[libertychick09]

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[Nabo00o]

Protectionism is a well used word in America with an agenda behind it, and I'm not sure if that agenda is freedom. I agree with your view of freedom, but I think Libertarianism misses on the difference between marked freedom and freedom itself.

Yes democracy is built on a bunch of laws and creations necessary for its own survival. This is ALL about freedoms. Anarchy is a society without any laws.

Anarchy doesn't give a lot of freedom because humans have yet to grow up...

[machaeroguy]

Great video. 

[TheIronicBanana]

Amazing Series, you've really out done you self :)

[cybervigilante]

As long as "you" decide you can decide to not be free. Many Egyptians want Sharia law; others don't. It seems a conflict. The solution is a hybrid. Civil law would be for all felonies, but you could Pick Sharia law for yourself, for a fixed period of time, for misdemeanors and "moral" crimes. Sharia punishment would not allow death or disfigurement, but might be lightly corporal or through fines. If a person went against their legal decision to abide, they would get civil penalties.

[krillin876]

whats next? the government will dictate with whom you have sex with? why is it anyone elses business

[krillin876]

Democracy =51 percent dictates to the other 49,

[mikeshanklin]

@Nabo00o

Voters ARE greedy, it is ALL about greed. They are greedy with the imposing of their ideal of society on others. Greed plays a role in that as well.... and governments across the globe DO prove this, everyday.

[Nabo00o]

@mikeshanklin

No no no. You are trying to put two different attitudes in the same box.

All humans want something. They do it because they feel attracted towards it, just like the are repelled by other things. No one wants to do something they feel is "bad", or not "good".

Then it comes down to what we value the most, what we, you and I, care for the most.

Do I only care for the wellbeing of myself, even if it means the cost of others happiness?

Or am basically living just to make others happy?

[mikeshanklin]

@Nabo00o

I'm not sure what this has to do with not pointing guns at people.

[Nabo00o]

@mike

Ehm, wasn't that a response to a comment you made in another video?

Also it seems a lot of people here are taking the life they have been given for granted....

"Democracy" today is not perfect, far from it. But in many parts of the world it really really works.

But Mike, back to what I commented on in the other vid, it is still one of the biggest problems about capitalism.

It is a nice theory, but we have seen it in action all over the world, without the "evil" government's control.

[mikeshanklin]

@Nabo00o

Which region has been in anarchy?!? Just curious as to which theory of "without evil government controls" you are referring to. Even if a certain region were to eliminate government (which has never happened unlike what you have indicated), there are still International governments that try to flock in and gain monetary and political control...(UN, WTO, IMF....). Freedom/Anarchy has never truly existed in my opinion.

[Nabo00o]

We find humans in both categories, and most of us in between.

And I disagree that you and others find it correct to call it all for egoism.

Please think about this.

[jimbobubbadj]

@mikeshanklin That's why voters must not be allowed to vote on taking rights away from minorities. What ever the issue to be voted on is regarding rights, it must apply to all or to none.

[achilles6822]

@jimbobubbadj that would be a very hard policy to enforce, because almost everything voters would be voting on regard rights.

[FactualSolutions]

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VISIT:

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:)

FS

[PluralOfEverything]

@FactualSolutions The zeitgeist addendum was awesome. It changed my whole way of thinking. I strongly recommend it to anyone.

[FactualSolutions]

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:)

FS

[PluralOfEverything]

@FactualSolutions It doesn't sound familiar, but I may have seen it. I'll look around for it. I'm sure it's not hard to find.  Plus I'm a freaking genius, so I can find anything.

[FactualSolutions]

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[techdiverusa1]

were prositution is legal there are less rape cases like in amsterdam less rape. in germany hookers are legal less rape cases so i look at it like this would you want more women raped or less women raped ? i choose less women raped. legalize hookers.

[crypter27]

Sex trafficing at the superbowl is a flat out lie,yes your'e right about prostitution!

[popcur]

I look at this different. On prositution, I consider it so immoral, that it should be against the law. However, if American society are to become overwhelming libertarian.. America would weaken one kind of prositution, which is Congress. I will happily make that trade on my religious principles.

[youngn420]

@popcur People should have the right to do as they please with their own bodies. Its none of your business if 2 consenting adults want to exchange money and sex regardless of how immoral you think it is.

[popcur]

@youngn420 it's none of our business Prohibition does not work.Two great examples, the war on drugs, and alcohol prohibition I still have a Celebrate Repeal Day(Dec. 5th) with Dewar's mug. It was given out free in Chicago.

[youngn420]

@popcur You missed my point buddy. Two people exchanging money for sex has 0 impact YOUR life. Therefore it should NOT be agains the law.

[jimbobubbadj]

@popcur If you don't like prostitution, don't do it. No one is forcing you to do it. If you don't like weed, don't smoke it. If you don't like one of the same sex, don't do it. Live and let live.

[Alexiscom1]

Very good point on democracy that is not = freedom.Democracy can come as a obstruction of freedom. Revolution should be about to have more individual right and less democracy.

[TheReallitycheck]

What came first prostitution or the church.

[jobedied]

@TheReallitycheck the first time a women spread her legs around the camp fire 50,000 years ago and pointed at that hunk of meat being cooked by a non family member she started this time honored profession.

[TheReallitycheck]

@jobedied hear, hear, :)

[kanoabiondolillo]

@TheReallitycheck

[zalida100]

Good one - ta

[Rapture092011Repent]

Check out Isaiah 19 un believable this has been predicted for thousands of years.

[variezn34gm]

@Rapture092011Repent Well you know how we all have heard what goes around comes around and goes around and well you know ....... good point.

[baryonyx550]

Here's a funny, but true joke. I don't remember where I heard it, but it goes something like this: If we're trying to draft a constitution for Iraq, why not give them ours. It's not like we use it anymore. While the US constitution isn't perfect, as far as I know, it is the freest system available (if its followed) aside from anarchy.

[Mattyb88ful]

Totally agree.

The 'War on Drugs', the criminalisation of prostitution and et cetera just makes the matter worse.

[jm3083]

Prostitution has long been apart of American history. I also agree that once goverment makes prostitution underground it makes the occupation a lot more dangerous.

[odin422]

AGREED!