this moron was prescribed every antidepressant under the sun and had all these problems - so now she writes a book on how all these drugs fucked her up??? she is crazy - plain and simple, took all kinds of drugs from a stupid doctor and now she blames the drugs??? she and her doctors are fucking morons.
I used to take xanax every 3 hours and I would panic if I didn't take it as rx'd... I was given it as a kid because after the initial period of being loaded up back and forth on Ritalin, I went from quiet to talking a little more and xanax added to it shut me up longer... I started on .50 twice a day and after 14 years I was on 12 mg a day (2mg 4-6 times a day) and trying to taper one dose down by .175 mg would make me panic... I had to do go into a detox and do the librium detox...
@MrSpemat Nicotine was the worst for me to quit though... I craved cigarettes for a year and it was non-stop and I had that same panic attack feeling I felt for 8 months after Xanax was done the whole time... Xanax is a close 2nd but smoking addiction was the worst for me...
Now this is a pisser. "Congratulations for getting off those medications. Good Job." Wow, now put a big yellow star on your refrigerator. You should be so proud. "Now people who are happily on meds, I hope you're ashamed of yourselves you idiots....IDC if you're happy. Get off of them. Even if your quality of life sucks and the people around you have given up!
Thanks Tien for that. Your logic is f'n way out there, but it's still hilarious!
Thanks for the video.My family dr.put me on XANAX for anxiety. After 6 weeks I wanted off. I asked my dr. how to stop it and he says, "just Stop it!".I was AWAKE for 31/2 days.I was totally out of it until my husband went to the dr. for me because I was unable to drive. The dr. changed the prescription to a long acting benzo so I could finally get to sleep. Bastard dr. At least it was a long acting one,without the really bad side effects so I was able to slowly get off of it in a month.
Congratulations for getting off those medications. Doctors have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to these meds. Good Job and best of luck to you.
@tien714 If you can't admit that telling ppl what and what not to put into their bodies under certain circumstances is wrong due to your ingnorance,then I'll happlily entertain.In the end,it's obvious why the joke is on u.So, 80 yrs later; If someone is taking a benzo for a long time (or even indefinitely) for the treatment of Panic Disorder, is on a stable dose, feels better, the benefits far outweigh any bad side effects, and he's able to work and provide for his family,why is it a problem?
I'm keeping my response short and sweet while your going off on a rant; LoL. This just tells me that your losing/already lost the argument so just give it up. These medications are harmful; same thing with cocaine if it helps the person than what is the problem?
Cocaine's side effects are much more deadly than SRI's.If that wasn't true,coke would be prescribed.How many times did I say cocaine (or crack) is a drug which causes very high blood pressure.That,in turn causes strokes.An SRI does not (on its own) create such problems.They are much safer on the heart than Cocaine.PPl are subject to dependence issues when it comes to any drug.But medicinal dependence is not an issue.It implies the individual would rather take his meds than suffer.
@tien714 I feel like I have to be verbose with u but it's not mindless wax poetic.First of all,u need to learn the difference between dependence and addiction.I said what the difference was 2 or 300 times.The reason why Cocaine is a schedule 1 instead of a 5 (like an SRI) is because like heroin, they both induce euphoria within minutes of use (perhaps seconds depending on the route of administration).If an addictive nature is present,he'll spend countless hours looking for his drug of choice...
@tien714 Just b cause your response is short and shit doesn't mean u know what you're talking about.I'm winning this.U asked y not recommend cocaine if it helps?It's lethal in over dose while SRI's are not.Xanax is safer in over dose than than the drugs heroin,crack, and alcohol (its a fact).Addicts search the streets and steal for Coke.Not the case with SRI's.Coke addicts seek help through rehab,and NA.PPl dependent on SRI's do not!Now,if I'm in "a hole" where are you? Hugging the earth's core?
You make no sense; you just keep repeating the same shit over and over again. You lost already so give it up. The more you speak the worse you make it for yourself.
@tien714 U still don't understand my answer to your question? That is;"If cocaine helps a person with mental illness,what is the problem if they take it daily?"U want me to answer an irrational senseless question again?How many times do I have to repeat myself?He would b very lucky to end up homeless or in a crack house.The only other option is death.SRI's or Benzo's are safe in overdose as well as on the heart.Niether drug alone will cause a stroke due to incredibly high blood pressure.
@tien714 You're trying to convince ppl that cocaine and SRI's have the same side effects and you even said,I quote;"the only difference between cocaine and antidepressants is that one is legal while the other is not."Really? And I'm supposed to take u seriously?Cocaine will probably sure as hell make anyone feel euphoric.At the same time,if you're willing to exchange feelings of happiness for brain aneurysms,strokes,+ death, then I guess you're right tien714; there is no problem what so ever.
Antidepressants do the same thing as cocaine does; read it up. Your wrong on antidepressants; these have been known to increase chances of strokes and heart disease and this is according to big pharma themselves. I'm arguing with an idiot who is high/fucked up on antidepressants.
@tien714 NO YOU'RE dead wrong.I've been talking about SSRI's,the newer ad's! I'm not talking about the old TCA's and MAO's which were the only antidepressants available until the late 80'.They were deadly if taken in overdose and had nasty side effects.The first (and only) SSRI that had any capability (ON ITS OWN; READ THOSE 3 WORDS OVER AND OVER SO I DON'T HAVE TO REAPEAT MYSELF) to cause anything life threatening(Guillain-Barre Syndrome) was Zelmid.Big Pharm immediately took it off the market
@tien714 Then there was Prozac (late 80's) Zoloft,Paxil,Luvox,Celexa,and now Lexapro).Name me one drug up there that has caused strokes at the same rate in which coke or crack does.To move further.Take all of the meds I listed above and compare them (as a whole) to Coke.Cocaine causes heart attacks and strokes at an extremely higher rate compared to both classes of antidepressants (SSRIs + SNRIs).But ppl HOPEFULLY aren't dumb enough to mess around with pure cocaine daily
@tien714 you think cocaine and SRI's have the same effects on ppl but tell me why cocaine is illegal and SRI's aren't?Who in the world would want to place a patent on coke even if it did clear clinical trials?No 1 would ever risk taking on that kind of responsibility.PPl who own the company would live in a courtroom until they're kicked out on the streets.I mentioned the difference between dependence and addiction.There r no SRI houses.Plenty of crack houses though.Tell me y angry lady?
@tien714 Psychiatrists do not come knocking on people's doors,nor are they out in the streets trying to force Zoloft or Seroquel on people.If someone is severely depressed or has panic disorder and can't leave the house(it's called agoraphobia)it is quite obivious that no blood or urine test is needed in order to see the person is suffering!Hence they go or are taken to a psychiatrist.You seem to think Panic Disorder is normal unless a blood test proves otherwise which is absolutely ridiculous
@tien714 The same goes for a paranoid schizophrenic who hears imaginary voices and talks to invisible people.Depressed people can't get out of bed.People with Panic disorder or PTSD spend their days locked up in the house suffering from all kinds of pathological anxiety symptoms (look up Dr. Claire Weekes and her books.GOOGLE IT).At her time it was called "Nervous Breakdown" or "Shell Shock."These ppl need to prove they're suffering is real by taking a blood tests?If u say yes, then I give up.
I'm going to ask you again, what medical, chemical, lab test are available to take for diagnosis? I'm done with you because you keep jumping over the question answer it or stfu. You have no proof of anything and yet you expect people to believe you get out of here.
@tien714 U deny mental illness exists unless a blood test can prove otherwise.U deny the fact that millions of people around the world are helped by psych meds which were found serindipitously.You're stupid tests are inconsequential.Again, if sufferers are experiencing minimal side effects from a benzo and or an SSRI ,why should they stop feeling better because some bitter cranky negative person declares they must take a blood test to prove that what they were suffering from is real? Ur dumb!
@tien714 You should stfu and stop making stupid comments like "oh, well then ppl should be allowed to take cocaine if it helps them feel better." Read a f'n medical book or shit, even a nurses handbook. If you read one Breggin book u read them all. Crack Cocaine makes one feel euphoric within seconds. It's what's called "an immediate drug."SRI's and antipsychotics are delayed drugs which gradually take effect over the course of 5 to 6 weeks.PPl don't take them to get high u idiot.Plz get a life
The more you comment the stupider you get so If I were I would stop. You keep jumping over my questions so that means you lost so stfu and get the fuck out of here because your on the wrong channel.
@tien714 Wow! All I can say is Wow! You should talk!! Yea right! I'm stupid but I want you to read that first sentence there. Let me guess, your husband wrote it? You called me "stupider." WTF is that! If you don't want embarrass yourself I suggest you grab a dictionary. Don't say "stupider" ever again. Especially in public. Take that advice at the very least.
@tien714 I'm going to tell u again.Put down ur Peter Breggin book and at least make believe ur busy for a day or two because evidently you're having a difficult time getting me and my "excellent points (lol at that)" out of your brain. When u come back from planet Moron,maybe the DEA, FDA, Supreme court, Congress...etc will make Cocaine legal and recognize it as a dangerous addictive drug just like SRI's.I wouldn't count on it though so u STFU about Cocaine already.
she is not a doctor..or a scientist...she's a sales rep. also, notice how she didn't wean herself off the drug...she went cold turkey. psychiatrists tell you to keep taking your regular doses because if you stop you will get the withdrawal symptoms if you ask them to get you off the drugs, they will inform on how to properly wean yourself off of them...never act on your own and listen to your specialist
@shintosungod I covered this! Congrats!You have a brain!....Any person with an IQ >0 would be skeptical (kind of like reading this comment.It's easy reading unless you're tien714.Her research lead her to a staggering discovery!Duke University did a great study on mental illness.Guess what?Hopefully you're ready because this is going to blow your mind it's a miraculous breakthrough.Get this:EXERCISE AND VITAMINS help cure mental illness!Depressed?That's nothing a few jumping jacks couldn't cure!
Clonazepam is a miserable drug too... Xanax bars every 2-3 hours was miserable because it felt like I was losing it but the Klonopin starts in days....
I get 60 1mg tablets a month and I can take 2-3 a day for two weeks then go three weeks with no problem not having any at all. I wonder how much it takes to get addicted in the way that I hear about so often not unlike this woman.
@GoReds10FuckOff There's a difference between addiction and dependence (especially medicinal dependence).Addicts will increase their dosages (could b any psychoactive drug) in order to get high.Addicts spend their time looking for drugs on the streets, steal money, go doctor shopping, etc.Eventually,their way of life has revolved around the drug and ways in which to get it.Hopefully,their bottom isn't death and they seek help through NA or AA.But that's what addiction is.Labels can be tricky.
@tien714 I greatly appreciate the warning I am not ignorant to how dangerous benzos can be I have relatives who are full on addicts who have fits when they miss a dose. I just feel like I get prescribed quite a bit and I feel fine. Once again, I thank you for speeding awareness on the dangers of these drugs I know too many people who abuse these too often. I've been on them for three years but always have a 2-3 week break to make sure I don't go through this. Cheers!
@tien714 Yea right. Do you even know the difference between addiction (I know, the term has a much more negative,+evil connotation) and Dependence? Do u hear of NA meetings filling up with people coming terms with their addiction to SRI antidepressants?You love Google right? Look up the difference between addiction and physical dependence. I already said it idk how many times....Not to mention dependence isn't unique to psych meds.It's evident in many different classes of drugs.
Just keep talking because your making yourself look like an idiot. You don't belong here; your commenting on the wrong video. These antidepressants are dangerous period.
WOW what an intelligent comment; lame. You seem like one of those crazy homeless people on the street talking about God. You have no proof of anything; go to sleep already.
@tien714 at least i don't sit around waiting for someone to argue with on youtube.And then the minute they respond,I'm ready and waiting.Yes, that was an immature comment.It's sad that I have to stoop so low.I never preached about GOD (and ur still thinking about that.it was >month ago).My point,again,was that if a med is working for someone suffering (long term,with minimal side effects) why should the sufferer listen to some grumpy miserable lady who's telling them what + what not to take
@tien714 either ur rutheless,or u didn't get it.So I had to think outside the box and dig for other i.e.'s.And yea,I brought up religion.I said,if someone finds psychological relief through the act of prayer,I wouldn't ask them to take a "chemical Imbalance,blood, medical test"and prove to me that the god they worship really exists.U said religion is a belief not based on science.Well why can't ppl believe in Psychiatry if they're feeling better?Nah,u have to put it down + tell us it's all BS
@tien714 and you know just to prove how bitter and blatantly cruel you can be.Why do you have to put down "crazy homeless people talking about God on the street."Maybe they're not crazy.Maybe they are sick and need help.Now no,I'm not out on the street homeless.However,what if someone visiting this website has a loved one who's homeless?Not a person happily on a psych med of course (they would deserve it), I mean some one like yourself.How would you feel if u had some 1 u loved who was homeless?
@tien714 It's obvious I lost what case?Psych meds have been around since the 50's and >60 yrs later,THEY'RE STILL HERE.You mean they're all off the market? You and "the ppl" have defeated Big Pharm.?No one is taking meds anymore?Which planet r u on now? If I'm such a joke why are you wasting months of ur time arguing with me?STFU and move on.Concentrate on helping "the ppl" instead of popping up in my emails every day.I don't mind getting back to u and repeating myself.It's quick + easy!
@tien714 NTM, last night at 2:30 am you're replying to my comments. At least tell me you live on the west coast! I'd rather be stupid than crazy. Even though of course, I'm dead on with everything I've said.
As a recovering opiode addict,I have nerver heard anyone speak as true and exact to the point on the subject as Gwen.I absolutely benifit from her lectures.A total expert and pro on the subject,i greatly appreciate her efforts.Everyone who struggles with prescription drug dependency should view her works...
I'm not telling ANYONE to take an antidepressant (and vice versa). I don't know how tien714 doesn't understand what I'm saying. Look at my argument from the standpoint of treating cancer. There are people out there who have had cancer for a long time, and they (along with the doctors) have no idea what caused it. It may not have been detected for a long time. Despite not knowing the direct cause of the cancer are you going to tell the sufferer to decline radiation therapy? I'd hope not.
You keep going in circles; cancer can be seen with medical test to BACK IT UP unlike "mental disorders" . Again where is the medical test for "mental disorders" for proof of diagnosis. You already lost your stance so the more you speak the worse you look.
@tien714 So wtf is the difference?If someone commits suicide because he's severley depressed, what am I supposed to say?"Oh, well at least he didn't try an antidepressant,because they couldn't find a chemical imbalance." What kind of sense does that make? How about taking a course in logic?Your argument sucks anyway. Because I never said that AD's work for everyone.They don't.But I'm going to tell u something that's going to piss u off.They do help many,many sufferers out there.Sorry!
For people out there who are genuinley having a hard time with Psych. meds, I'm not implying that it's all in your head.I'm not saying psych. drugs are perfect and that they help everyone. I know that they do not.On the other hand, I see every day how they do help people gradually over time. People who,at one time could not stop crying and threatening to kill themselves (btw, I'm not a doctor).What tien714 doesn't get, is that I'm only suggesting u keep an open mind.....
You should speak for yourself on keeping an open mind. I told I am objective about this topic. If you don't agree with this video than stop commenting already. If anything these harmful antidepressants increase suicides and homicides/violent behaviors. You don't get it because you have no proof of anything; your just using subjective opinions and the last time I checked that is not medical nor scientific. Get a clue already.
@tien714 you have no proof that antidepressants increase suicides and homicides.I said Millions of people take these meds around the world.Some might take there own lives.For someone that's looking for such scientific precision as to the cause of mental illness,you put an awful lot of faith in internet Google searches and a single study by Duke University that exercise and vitamins not only help with depression,u made the claim that they're more effective.How do u know that?Guess work?
I've gone through diazepam withdrawal. I started taking it to help my lack of ability to sleep. I took 500x 10mg Diazepam, 100x 1mg alprazolam, and 5mg diazepam over a period of 4-5 months. I never realisd the intense hold it had taken on my life. As they're not overly abusable, in terms of euphoria, I simply didn't understand the effects it had on me
@HeliosFramework I had to go cold turkey, because I didn't have a prescription, and had no way to obtain more for at least a month. Long story short, I was sick, sleepless, anxious, depressed, lifeless for 5 weeks after 3 days after my last dose. Use with respect, and only if completely necessary!
You grew some type of dependence/addiction to the drugs since your body is use to it; it needs more of it sort of like addiction to cocaine. I understand how you feel on the addiction to antidepressants and I hope you live a happy drug-free life. Good luck.
@tien714 I could never put myself through that again. I just have to get around to quitting smoking.. if it wasn't so easily available, i'd have quit long ago. Thanks for the kind words, cheers!
@mikefiftynine They are trying through law suits and the exclamation that psych. drugs shouldn't be prescribed.These Quacks (like tien714) certainly have an "axe to grind (as William Appleton MD would say.Especially in reference to Peter Breggin MD)."What an "axe to grind" means IDK (I guess alterior motive),but yet they're out to hurt people more than anyone.The ppl who stand in there way are sufferers who've been helped by psych meds.They would prefer they suffer and lose access to their meds.
I ask you a simple question," What medical, chemical, blood test, etc are available today for people to take for proof of diagnosis?" and your answer? Well wait a minute you have no answer. You have the burden of proof not me so don't turn this question around on me. Usually when people this it means that they are losing or already lost the argument so they return a question with a question; go home loser.
@tien714 I never asked for a debate yet still I answered your question,100 times.I don't give a shit how many Breggin books you've read or what proof u think is out there.I don't need to google shit.Being as pathologically cynical,u believe everything you read using ur google search engine? Or just the negative shit written about psych drugs? YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING HELPED DAILY THROUGH THE USE OF PSYCHOTROPIC MEDS! WHY? ENVY? IT DOESN'T HELP WITH YOUR LAWSUIT?
No you see unlike you I am objective about this topic; I see it both ways. I ask you a simple question and you can't even answer nor admit to the truth. Instead you go on a rant about something relating to nothing which doesn't make your case look good. I'm going to ask you again what medical, chemical, blood test etc is available today for customers to take for proof of diagnosis instead of saying they have it using subjective opinions?
@tien714 No you see it one way. That is. "People, do not take psych meds because they are too addicting with too many side effects." I say. "listen to your own body. No one should tell you what's best for you (cough, cough). If you're suffering and can't get out of bed maybe try an SRI. It does not cause addiction in the same way coke does. The choice is yours but I wouldn't resort to Cocaine (which isn't an SRI. When have we seen homeless Zoloft addicts roaming the streets?Please, get real)"
It's not just Cocaine it's other substance too like LSD. You keep ignoring the harmful nasty effects of antidepressants. It's your type of thinking that scares me; every single little symptom big pharma names they want you to go to your doctor for drugs. You know that drugs are forced onto people especially children so this hows that I'm debating with a person that doesn't do their research. Everytime you talk your making yoruself look foolish so keep talking.
@tien714 Coke and LSD are schedule 1 drugs.Not only here in America but around the world and which ever planet you're on as well.Even Red Bull is considered more dangerous than an SRI in some countries.You're ignoring all of the benefits of medication.Yea, i know there are lawsuits against big pharm every day.But in the end,it's nickel and dime shit for them. Not too mention, ppl like u are suing big pharm. for all kinds of medications.But it's drugs like, Vioxx not Zoloft that's being recalled
Don't even try to compare something like Red Bull with these harmful and nasty antidepressants; that is the lowest of the low. This just tells me how badly you are losing the argument. There are lawsuits because antidepressants do in face cause so much harmful whether it can with infants or adults. Your ignoring all the nasty and harmful side effects of antidepressants and people like you that make me sick.
@tien714 Instead you answer my question with a question that was irrelevent to my original question. You asked..."what chemical, blood, medical,...etc tests are available to prove someone has a chemical imbalance." WTF does that have to do with my original question? Give up? Nothinig. And let me make this clear. I don't care about getting raped by commentators who disagree with me. Who else is arguing with me? I'll leave it up to u to care what ppl think. Why the hell are u on here...?
@tien714 U don't keep an open mind. You refuse to acknowledge the benefits of psych meds while accusing me of not recognizing their imperfections. Just because there's a long list of "potential" side effects doesn't mean a sufferer will experience any of them. They have to list everything that people report. You make it seem as if every side effect reported, will be experienced by the person suffering. I'm not the one telling ppl what and what not to take.Each person is different.
I am so tired responding to you because it's useless. Gwen Olsen is against antidepressants so why are you posting on here? I'm telling you that psychiatrist/doctors do blow off their patients when they complain of these side effects. HellosFramework agrees with me on this. These drugs have hurt so many people; the evidence is there and yet you refuse to believe, therefore there is nothing more I can do. Google is a way to find articles and is not the source itself.
@tien714 Well I'm certainly not on here to tell people what they should never put into their bodies. That's where this all started. I suggested that you should not make a definitive statement like this one... "never take xanax because it's too addictive and has way too many side effects." What did I say after that? I said,"tell that to a person with panic disorder and agoraphobia (whose quality of life has plummeted, along with his/her's family)!"Xanax might be the only thing that works.....
@tien714 Panic Disorder is very real (go ahead and google it).If treating it were as simple as excercise and a good multi vitamin,I'm all for it.Excercise will help augment the SRI or Benzo later on.After the first few panic attacks,the sufferer becomes house bound,visits websites looking for help.I'm on here b cuz I have their interests in mind.After a Panic D. sufferer reads comments such as yours,she'll think it's a hopeless situation.Meanwhile you don't know what she's going through at all!
@tien714 what are u talking about? IDC who does or doesn't agree with me. Maybe u r on here for a popularity contest!If so,good luck!Now Moonman is talking about his addiction to opium.What does that have to do with antidepressant's?How many times have you heard a story where a pharmacy is getting held up, and people are getting executed because the gunman wants loads of Celexa?Or any SRI? Story's like the 1 in Patchogue LI help put into perspective how addicting certain drugs really are.
@tien714 Well at least I have the heart to acknowledge the reality of suffering from both sides. For (seemingly) the quintillionth time,I asked u..."If people have been using benzo's to treat PTSD,SAD,Panic Disorder and agoraphobia for months or years without increasing the dosage,why is that a problem?"You know, because you're a very caring concerned individual.What if nothing else works? I even went so far as to explain how agoraphobia can leave one depressed + suicidal! Still,no answer!
@tien714 PPl who are close to me.What they say is all that matters.As for "the crowds unfavorable opinions."Are you referring to the "thumbs up vs thumbs down section?"The crowd doesn't know me personally. They don't know what I've seen and experienced throughout life. I haven't judged any of them. So if they want to judge me simply from what I've said here on youtube, fine! W E "they think they know regarding who I am," ironically tells me more than I need to know about "the crowd."
@tien714 What kind of psychotic thinking? Oh, u mean the kind of psychotic thinking that goes something like..."if it isn't broke, why fix it?" Now here's some psychotic thinking for u,and from u...the tien714 model:"hey if you're life sucked,but you've been taking a psychiatric drug for years with minimal side effects,and you're quality of life has substantially increased, get off the drug asap because I just don't want you to feel better!"Very rational thinking tien714!Sounds logical! lol
Like I said Zoloft and such are additive; you just need to google it or do research. Your comparing apples and oranges. Prove to me that a chemical imbalance exist and I'll leave you alone and if you can't prove it than stfu ok.
@tien714 IDC about ur lawsuit.You're never going to win shit there gold digger. Because you have no proof that psych medications did any harm to you. Ur messed up brain is responsible for your stubborness and stupidity. How come no 1 else is arguing with what I'm saying? That is, if a med. has been helping some 1 who's suffering from depression and or panic disorder while experiencing some side effects (albeit the benefits out weigh the cons) why should he stop?He need not! End of story!
I don't have the burden of proof you do; take a debate class. I already won this debate so gave it up already because your making yourself look like a fool. What are you doing commenting on this video anyways? There are many documented cases on these harmful antidepressants so get a clue and do your research. Your commenting on the wrong video; go over to cchr you videos and than you will get raped by commenters who disagree with you. If cocaine helps somebody than......
@tien714 U take a debate class. Lesson 1...Don't answer a harmless question with an inconsequential one. For the bilionth time. This all began when you made a stupid comment, suggesting that Xanax is too addictive and that no one should ever take it. My response..."Tell that to a Panic Disorder sufferer who has been taking a benzo for years with minimal side effects. He's now able to work every day + care for his family. I asked you why should he stop?"U can't even answer that.
@tien714 Shit, You mean I'm making myself look foolish because I know psych. meds help many people suffereing from some form of mental illness (despite their imperfections). Why not try and compare Red Bull to an SRI? That crap is banned in several countries for a reason, where Zoloft or Paxil isn't (desipte this perception you have that you know more then them). And cocaine?Coke is so much more lethal in OD,causes high bp, and it damages the heart.SRI's r much safer.Very foolish.
Your the one who is a Quack; with no proof of anything but yet you claim that it's true? According to your theory the tooth fairy exists with no proof of anything.
I meant how am I ingnoring all the potential nasty side effects of cocaine. I did give my opinion on Cocaine. Remember, I said, I would never recommend it as a Control Schedule 1 drug. I too, wouldn't use it. At the same time if someone wants to use it every day, it's not my business, and I won't tell them what to and/or what not to put in their bodies.
Again missing my whole point; your ignoring all the harmful nasty side effects of ANTIDEPRESSANTS but yet you acknowledge the side effects of cocaine Read your facts about antidepressants but since you lack that ability here are a few of the hundreds: increase rate of heart attacks, strokes, suicides, homicides, violent behavior, etc and all those have been documented. For example, Columbine shootings, Virginia Tech Shootings.
@tien714 Oh okay, any time there's a shooting, blame a generic sri! That's good science for ya. F U and your condescending attacks on my level of intellegence. Go back to your narrow minded Peter Breggin books and tell people how dumb they are because they've been taking meds that have been helping them for X amount of years with minimum side effects. I never said they work for every single person. SO WHO IS NARROW MINDED NOW?
Your being narrowed minded or in denial whatever you want to call it because you are ignoring all the harmful nasty side effects that antidepressants have caused and you haven't even answered my question of what medical test is available to take TODAY for a diagnosis. The fact that psychiatrist and members of the FDA board are receiving KICKBACKS from big pharma creates HUGE CONFLICT OF INTERESTS is wrong. You have your facts all wrong.
@tien714 SRI's cause homicides, suicides, and violent behavior? I guess judges are dumb as well because there is no scientific proof to back these claims. Yea, I personally know a case where a guy was taking effexor, hung himself, and his wife sued. The fact that he was mixing the drug with his alcohol didn't help her case much. I wonder how many cases out there are similar where albeit the waters are muddied, people sue! It's the American way today. It's always some one elses fault. So sue!
The fact that during these clinical trials people have committed suicides; look it up on CYMBALTA suicides. A lovely young woman commits suicide; she had no history of "mental disorders". Big pharma covers it up and STILL RELEASES CYMBALATA; just admit that you were wrong I am right so this debate in which you are losing badly can end. But when it is someone else fault than AMERICA should sue like with HARMFUL AND NASTY ANTIDEPRESSANTS. It does cause suicides and homicide.
I'll say one thing though, if you're a follower of Peter Breggin MD, than there will be no chance you and I will ever come to an agreement. Therefore you and I may as well stop going back and forth. Yes, I've read his work and for certain reason's (nothing to do with investing in big pharm. and IDC if ppl think I'm lying or not, I don't work for big pharm, I don't hold stock in any of their company's...etc) I have a intense disliking for the man.
@tien714 Then fire the person trying to comprehend what I'm writing and try someone else. I don't see anyone else saying they don't get it. And I'm in enemy territory here. Call a friend. Honestly, have you ever taken a course on "critical thinking." Any schooling to your background or are you simply focusing on being angry at people who advocate meds? Especially toward people who have used them and find them helpful?
Well than according to your theory it should also be ok for people to take cocaine if it helps them? That is how you exactly sound like. Your ignoring all of the nasty harmful side effects that associates with antidepressants but yet you don't with cocaine.
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You never decide to increase your dosage on your own. Never! Now that's what she said she did. Did she even communicate with her doctor? Was her doctor aware of her decision to stop taking the Xanax?If (s)he was,the doctor would have been the first person to tell her that is not a good idea because of the withdrawal consequeces that follow.I doubt that her doctor's instructions were to take Xanax, then say gee I'll stop, stop, experience withdrawal symptoms,then DECIDE to increase the dosage .
@tien714 Is this "definitive statement"coming from someone who has a diagnosis of Panic Disorder,with or without agoraphobia?I'm assuming not or else you would be well aware of specialists who have spent years researching the potentially debilitating,life threatening illness (Jonathon Davidson,Stuart Shipko,David Sheehan,etc...).I suppose the good news for you is that sufferers of PD are much more likely to take your advice because they're so scared,needy,confused and vulnerable to pursuasion.
@tien714 there is a book called the DSM. A diagnosed patient does not need a blood test or have to piss in a cup in order to know something is wrong. I'm not going over everything.There are tons of info.out there regarding panic disorder with/or without agorophobia,including all of the symptoms,what separates a panic attack from full blown panic disorder, etc..Have you ever seen someone with paranoid schizophrenia?Perhaps worried worms are feeding on their brains,talking to invisible ppl?
@pnpny04Now if a pdoc has a patient talking to invisible people about worms eating his brain,and if a drug was found through serindipitous findings (Thorazine) to lessen the intensity and frequency of delusions + paranoa who are we to tell the patient and his family to stop taking the drug "because there are many unpleasant side effects and 1 day they will find that a previous maintenace dosage no longer is effective so an increase is needed.Same goes for Panic Disorder patients taking Xanax
The DSM is a joke and it's bullshit; this is according to Allen Frances head of DSM. Psychiatry is pseudo science; if you believe that than your a fool. Prove it instead of just relying on subjective opinions and making up stuff; why is that so much to ask for? Just admit there is no proof or else you just digging yourself into a hole.
@tien714 So you're saying Panic Disorder is some made up illness? First of all you're the one that so ignorantly stated that people should never take Xanax because it's addictive.Do you go take a blood test and piss in a cup when you have aches and pains?You really need proof that what you're experiencing is an actual headache?It's known among the scientific community that Tylenol or Asprin helps with headaches,however a headache is not caused from a lack of acetaminophen in the brain.
I've debated with people like you many times and it's all the same lame weak arguments. I ask you to prove it and you can't so you go on some rant about something else. If you don't refute any of the FACTS than that means you AGREE with them. Also your comparing apples and oranges; a soldiers limb you can actually see unlike a "mental disorder" so there is no comparison there. The hole for you is getting deeper and deeper.
@tien714 You're telling me that by looking at the soldier's injured leg, that YOU CAN SEE HIS PAIN? NO!The soldier is feeling pain in his Central nervous system! A panic disorder sufferer is not out looking to get high!He's not increasing his dosage on his/her own. Nor is the sufferer looking too buy pills off the streets!They want to FEEL BETTER! If Xanax or some other benzo helps the individual go to work and take care of his family what in the hell is wrong with that?Tell me,because u know.
Is pain a "mental disorder"? NO so again your comparing apples and oranges. Like I said if COCAINE works for an individual than why not legalize it and let them use it? I'm just trying to follow your theory. COCAINE works in the a very similar fashion to antidepressants; you can look it up. I never claimed to be an expert so why won't you tell me because you know.
@tien714 Going all the way back to your original statement. "Xanax is too addictive and "no one should ever take it." Right. Yet, if it helps people function at a set dosage (w e it might be) and take care of themselves and/or loved ones, what are you to say "they should not take it?" You recommended alternatives that work better! What are they and where is the scientific proof to back up your claim that in FACT, these alternatives work better. I know you probably will not answer this.
Ok so according to your theory that if something is addictive or bad for a person but yet it helps them than they should continue to take it? So if COCAINE or other illegal drugs helped a person than they should continue to take it? Do you see how you sound? The alternatives that I mentioned don't need scientific proof, however you still haven't provided me with any scientific proof what so ever so don't try to this around on me that makes you look bad.
@tien714 My point has nothing to do with whether pain is a "mental disorder"(Too which you agree does exist yet, completely dismiss my idea that a benzo can be helpful. You said definitively that "it's not the answer but yet you claim your alternatives are better").The point regarding pain medication is that Morphine and Asprin work on the CNS,treating various degrees of pain yet the pain is not caused by a deficiency in Asprin or Morphine.Yet Morphine works despite its limitations
Since you have the burden of proof saying that a "chemical imbalance" exist than PROVE IT!!! All your doing is ignoring the question or going in circles. Your comparing apples and oranges; pain is not a "mental disorder" so your point is invalid.
@tien714 no apples and oranges. What I'm saying is relative.I said Morphine and Asprin work for pain despite the fact these drugs were not present in the person's brain before the injury.You ignored my question from the get go.That was,if a person is taking Xanax at a set dosage to treat Panic Disorder,why should he stop?Cocaine has no medicinal use,seriously increases blood pressure and is much more dangerous in overdose.So I would never recommend it yet,I DON'T TELL PPL WHAT TO DO!
@tien714 no apples and oranges. What I'm saying is relative.I said Morphine and Asprin work for pain despite the fact these drugs were not present in the person's brain before the injury.You ignored my question from the get go.That was,if a person is taking Xanax at a set dosage to treat Panic Disorder,why should he stop?Cocaine has no medicinal use,seriously increases blood pressure and is much more dangerous in overdose.So I would never recommend it yet,I DON'T TELL PPL WHAT TO DO!
@tien714 IDC if psychiatry is a pseudo science or not.I'm more concerned with PD sufferers feeling better while your accusing people of actually making up mental disorders which effect the sufferer and her family.You want scientific data or else you assume the person is lying not only about his/her battle with Panic Disorder but you need further proof that Xanax can help with that person's quality of life.Who the hell are u to accuse me of making things up or relying on subjective opinions...
@pnpny04 At first I thought you were ignorant but now you're starting to worry me. Maybe we could talk religion and I'll ask you for scientific proof backing whatever you "know to be true" or else make claim that you're lying and listening to people's opinion. Not to mention your following of a book filled with make believe stories! How many examples do you need? So far I used at least 3. Again,if Xanax works well for those suffering from Panic Disorder why are u so concerned with medical exams?
It's hard to believe someone just based on subjective opinions without medical/scientific proof. That is like saying the TOOTH FAIRY exist without proof. How about taking COCAINE? If this drug makes someone feel "better/good" than not legalize it and let them take it? These drugs have very similar effects to COCAINE. I never said these symptoms weren't real that is far from the truth; what I'm saying is drugs aren't the answer. There are many alternatives and works better.
@tien714 I'd love to hear about your SUPERIOR alternative remedies though.Not to mention all of the scientific data out there to validate your claim that they are better. How do these drugs have very similar effects to Cocaine. I never heard of someone with bi polar using (say) Risperdal as a recreational drug.Cocaine is sold to addicts every day on the streets.At what point in time have TCA and SRI's been in high demand among dope addicts needing more + more Zoloft + in/out of rehab.
You can look up COCAINE and antidepressants on google. COCAINE works in a very similar fashion to antidepressants the only difference is that COCAINE is illegal and antidepressants ARE NOT. Antidepressants can be very additive and very harmful. If psychiatrist cannot PROVE of a chemical imbalance than they shouldn't claim to know that it is. I know the TOOTH FAIRY exist and you ask for proof? NO PROOF. Do you believe me? Thought so.
@tien714 No, cocaine is not the same and is much more dangerous in overdose and/or too ones heart than an sri. Like I said, and after all this is about "addiction." People with MDD and/or PD are not out on the streets homeless or in crack houses looking for their next fix of Sertraline.. Do you believe in air? Can you see it? Billions of people accross the world believe strongly, in GOD.I'm assuming you're an atheist right?Because you need proof of GOD'S existence through science.
Let me get this straight you comparing air to "mental disorders" your point again is invalid. Actually air can be captured into a tank called h2o for astronauts and scuba divers so yes air can be measured therefore there is PROOF OF AIR. Unlike "mental disorders" where it cannot be seen, nor proven medically so you have just MADE YOUR OWN POINTS INVALID. Now your bringing religion into this? Oh please you are something else you know that. The hole for you is getting deeper
@tien714 Oh no! I'm in a hole because a medication works for me! Shit! Okay I'll stop because I can't see my Panic Disorder. Part of diagnosing the disorder is eliminating medical problems that mimick PD (i.e.Graves disease).Why not bring religion into a mental health conversation? Why do people say "thank god"when a prayer "is answered?"Maybe GOD had nothing to with it.PPL pray for so n so to get better or,"YES I'M finally happy because Mom is in a better place."......
I never said these feelings and problems aren't real but for big pharma and psychiatry to label them with invented labels is an outright fraud. Religion has nothing to do with this so your points are invalid. Anyone reading your comments can see that the medication has taken your thought process.
@tien714 My mentioning seeing air was meant to be just as sarcastic as your tooth fairy model of ....? I even had an answer for why someone may indeed see the tooth fairy but you skipped over it. Religion is not used among mental health patients (or man in general)? Since when? People pray to GOD all the time for all sorts of things to work in their favor? If some of it comes true, they say"Oh well thank you GOD!"Or how about,"well we can all be happy now since so n so is in heaven!....
When you mentioned air it only hurts your case because air can be measured and proven unlike "mental disorders". My guess is you never took a debate class. No, you still haven't provided any scientific proof of anything so all psychiatry is is pseudo science; why won't you agree to that? Just by reading your comments on God I see now what medication does to you.
What does medication "do" to you? Your asking me? There are plenty of known harmful side effects so do your research first and not rely on your psychiatrist because they will not tell you anything.
@pnpny04 So concepts of GOD,heaven, eternal joy, aren't backed by scientific proof, but they're tools used by people for attempts of validation, to know their will be a happy ending, and basically, to keep a better frame of mind.Now maybe they are in a better or "healthier mental state."As a matter of fact people are so convinced they'll be happy in the after life, they're willing to fly into buildings ensuring that they and others die horribly.Religion has everything to do with mental health
@tien714 "Yea, hahahahaha. lmao." Seriously, grow up. I was expanding on a previous post. You think it's hilarious and want to hold something trivial like that against me, go ahead. What did I just say about people and Cocaine? I'm not repeating myself. Which antidepressants are considered as addictive as Cocaine or LSD?
Some of these medications do fall into the same category as illegal drugs. I'm laughing because it's funny and your doing the same thing so stop being so hypocritical. All you do is avoid my questions and excellent points.
@tien714 excellent points? What? That if Xanax works for a Panic Disorder patient while the person is taking a set maintence dosage,not searching the streets to buy more pills,not increasing dosages on his own,not trying to achieve a high (all 3 factors are hallmarks of "addiction"),experiencing minimal side effects,and has a better quality of life,he should stop taking the drug because you would prefer he stay miserable and read about all the potential side effects until he's a hypochondriac?
The side effects are very serious and they happen more often then you think. You see psychiatrist often blow patients off when they speak of their side effects and often add a another antidepressant to offset the side effects of the first antidepressants which is very dangerous. The same goes with cocaine if it works for a person and they like it then they should continue to take it.
@tien714 yea, that's why one needs to be an expert of his/her own body.How am I not ignoring all the potential nasty side effects associated with Cocaine?I said it increases blood pressure, is not safe on the heart, and can cause death due to OD! Death isn't negative enough? I even said that I've seen and heard of many people being rushed to the hospital because they smoked or injected too much Cocaine or Crack.I've heard of many rehab centers geared toward crack addicts,but not SSRI users.
You missed my whole point which doesn't surprise me. What I meant was you ignore the harmful nasty side effects of ANTIDEPRESSANTS but yet you acknowledge all the side effects of cocaine; your in complete denial. Now where is the scientific proof of your chemical imbalance? If you don't answer this than that means I win the the DEBATE case closed.
@tien714 And so are millions of other people taking the meds who aren't on here bitching! They're in complete denial? Your debate has nothing to do with my original topic?You can't explain scientifically, what's happening in the brain of those who feel better after taking their meds.You mean DUKE UNIVERSITY did a single STUDY? WOW,did you google that?There are studies going on all the time.Check out the biopsychiatry site for example.This "debate" was you steering away from the topic.
Just because many are taking certain drugs does not make it safe just like with cocaine. The fact that psychiatrist receive kickbacks from big pharma is a big RED FLAG and your ok with that; makes me wonder what else your ok with. Biopsychiatry has absolutely no scientific proof of anything nor have they traced a "mental disorder" gene despite their attempts; it's all a fraud. Again I have refuted your points and your points are weak.
@tien714 Yet the website (especially when you click on the blue highlighted words) lead you to numerous research studies. Thousands! That's all I said! It was in response to your remarkable findings from a single Duke University Study. You started the immature name calling the same way you steered off topic from my original comment. Yes, I am ashamed I stooped down to your level. But I probably wasn't wrong. GOD or the belief in GOD(s) has nothing to do with Mental health?
I win this debate because you haven't refuted anything and your arguments are weak. I'm going to ask one last time: WHAT MEDICAL, CHEMICAL, BLOOD TEST, ETC IS AVAILABLE TODAY FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE TO PROVE DIAGNOSIS? If you give a weak or no answer than THAT MEANS YOU AGREE WITH ME, THEREFORE I WIN THIS DEBATE.
@tien714 You're so immature. hahahahaha, I was expanding on what I was talking about in a previous comment. Who cares if I made that mistake anyway! How old are we here? You told me "NOW I CAN SEE WHAT THE MEDS ARE DOING TO YOU." I asked what? And you're laughing. Seriously, it's late keep your chilren off the computer when you get this message. What if I'm not experiencing any of these "side effects" google? Or the benefits out weigh any negative side effects.
There is a long laundry list of side effects associated with antidepressants you might want to look those up. Did you know what psychiatrist/doctors receive kickbacks from big pharma for prescribing these awful drugs or you that dumb to ignore it?
@tien714 Are you too dumb to realize that despite there being a laundry list of POTENTIAL (of course you leave that word out) side effects,it doesn't mean the person will experience them.I don't give a shit who is getting kickbacks from who! What does that have to do with a medication being helpful in the treatment of Panic Disorder! You're comparing apples n oranges.Not to mention,exercise and vitamins for the treatment of severe mental anguish?A paronoid schizophrenic needs Centrum?Okay lol
Re-read your comment again do you see how narrow minded you are? It does matter when psychiatrist are receiving kickbacks from big pharma; you have a mind of a 6 year old so I have to explain it to you. When kickbacks happen they create a CONFLICT OF INTERESTS, therefore psychiatrist over prescribe even to customers who don't need them. Exercise is very effective and this is according to DUKE UNIVERSITY STUDY.
@tien714 While you have the mind of a Peter Breggin M.D. .He's an extremist as well. For me, if it works why fix it.I never said was what people should and/or shouldn't put into their bodies.You did.That's how this conversation started.Simple as that.If I wanted to read about medical, blood,chemical tests or lack thereof,I would pick up any book written by Peter Breggin MD.He claims psych meds do so much evil, while at the same time accusing them of being little more than a sugar pill
If cocaine works than why fix it. These pills do so much evil and he is an expert in this field so what were you credentials again? He has evidence to backup his claims unlike you. These harmful and nasty drugs have been linked to VIRGINIA TECH, COLUMBINE, and many other school shootings which something that cannot be denied. The DSM is complete BS; no science to back it up; It's voted in just like being a homosexual. It's all a fraud.
@tien714 Whether the DSM is a fraud or not, what does that have to do with my original question. That is, if someone has been taking Xanax long term and at a set dosage to treat his suffering from Panic Disorder, who are you (or anyone else) to tell the sufferer to stop taking the drug? THIS WAS MY ORIGINAL QUESTION? Where in the question is there mention of "chemical imbalance theories."That's all I asked and u accuse me of ranting?I realize PD isn't caused by a lack of Xanax to the brain.
What does religion have to do with the original question? Your a hypocrite and a lair. Your ranting about God you lunatic; anyone reading this will agree with me. Do not mix God in with this matter. There is no science to back up psychiatry and the DSM period unless you have some scientific proof that you have failed to mention. The DSM is voted in by a group of so-called experts sitting around a table; is that science? NOPE.
@tien714 My point on religion has more to do with you trying to drag me into a chemical imbalance debate, to which I never asked for. So I stated how people make moral judgements, declare GOD is anwering prayers, "know" they're going to heaven, all in the name of different religious concepts. I said ppl will die for what they percieve to be true (whether it is or not). Relatively speaking, do ask these people for scientific proof to validate their praying. Forget it.If you can't figure this out
Again do not bring in God because it makes you look like a lunatic. You no proof of nothing; PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop bringing God/prayers I'm not asking about that. You need to read my comments because I will not repeat them.
@tien714 lmao. You declared victory.hehehe! How pathetic. Please tell me I'm not wasting my time talking to your 8 yr old child. BTW, I will pray for them!! haha. I answered your question a million times but you're still being retarted! Hint, it's in this very post! Before someone is suffering from PD, there is no proof that his symptoms were caused by a lack of vitamins,excercise,or Xanax.What I think makes you angry is the fact that psych meds help so many people while for some they don't.
You never quite a medication cold turkey, everyone know this.
madtownband 6 hours ago
this moron was prescribed every antidepressant under the sun and had all these problems - so now she writes a book on how all these drugs fucked her up??? she is crazy - plain and simple, took all kinds of drugs from a stupid doctor and now she blames the drugs??? she and her doctors are fucking morons.
kevschweik 20 hours ago
@kevschweik Congratulations to u as well. You too have a brain and can obviously detect bull shit when you hear it.
pnpny04 6 hours ago
I used to take xanax every 3 hours and I would panic if I didn't take it as rx'd... I was given it as a kid because after the initial period of being loaded up back and forth on Ritalin, I went from quiet to talking a little more and xanax added to it shut me up longer... I started on .50 twice a day and after 14 years I was on 12 mg a day (2mg 4-6 times a day) and trying to taper one dose down by .175 mg would make me panic... I had to do go into a detox and do the librium detox...
MrSpemat 20 hours ago
@MrSpemat Nicotine was the worst for me to quit though... I craved cigarettes for a year and it was non-stop and I had that same panic attack feeling I felt for 8 months after Xanax was done the whole time... Xanax is a close 2nd but smoking addiction was the worst for me...
MrSpemat 20 hours ago
Now this is a pisser. "Congratulations for getting off those medications. Good Job." Wow, now put a big yellow star on your refrigerator. You should be so proud. "Now people who are happily on meds, I hope you're ashamed of yourselves you idiots....IDC if you're happy. Get off of them. Even if your quality of life sucks and the people around you have given up!
Thanks Tien for that. Your logic is f'n way out there, but it's still hilarious!
pnpny04 5 days ago
Thanks for the video.My family dr.put me on XANAX for anxiety. After 6 weeks I wanted off. I asked my dr. how to stop it and he says, "just Stop it!".I was AWAKE for 31/2 days.I was totally out of it until my husband went to the dr. for me because I was unable to drive. The dr. changed the prescription to a long acting benzo so I could finally get to sleep. Bastard dr. At least it was a long acting one,without the really bad side effects so I was able to slowly get off of it in a month.
3344utube 6 days ago
@3344utube
Congratulations for getting off those medications. Doctors have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to these meds. Good Job and best of luck to you.
tien714 6 days ago
@tien714 If you can't admit that telling ppl what and what not to put into their bodies under certain circumstances is wrong due to your ingnorance,then I'll happlily entertain.In the end,it's obvious why the joke is on u.So, 80 yrs later; If someone is taking a benzo for a long time (or even indefinitely) for the treatment of Panic Disorder, is on a stable dose, feels better, the benefits far outweigh any bad side effects, and he's able to work and provide for his family,why is it a problem?
pnpny04 5 days ago
@pnpny04
I'm keeping my response short and sweet while your going off on a rant; LoL. This just tells me that your losing/already lost the argument so just give it up. These medications are harmful; same thing with cocaine if it helps the person than what is the problem?
tien714 5 days ago
Cocaine's side effects are much more deadly than SRI's.If that wasn't true,coke would be prescribed.How many times did I say cocaine (or crack) is a drug which causes very high blood pressure.That,in turn causes strokes.An SRI does not (on its own) create such problems.They are much safer on the heart than Cocaine.PPl are subject to dependence issues when it comes to any drug.But medicinal dependence is not an issue.It implies the individual would rather take his meds than suffer.
pnpny04 5 days ago
@tien714 I feel like I have to be verbose with u but it's not mindless wax poetic.First of all,u need to learn the difference between dependence and addiction.I said what the difference was 2 or 300 times.The reason why Cocaine is a schedule 1 instead of a 5 (like an SRI) is because like heroin, they both induce euphoria within minutes of use (perhaps seconds depending on the route of administration).If an addictive nature is present,he'll spend countless hours looking for his drug of choice...
pnpny04 4 days ago
@tien714 Just b cause your response is short and shit doesn't mean u know what you're talking about.I'm winning this.U asked y not recommend cocaine if it helps?It's lethal in over dose while SRI's are not.Xanax is safer in over dose than than the drugs heroin,crack, and alcohol (its a fact).Addicts search the streets and steal for Coke.Not the case with SRI's.Coke addicts seek help through rehab,and NA.PPl dependent on SRI's do not!Now,if I'm in "a hole" where are you? Hugging the earth's core?
pnpny04 4 days ago
@pnpny04
You make no sense; you just keep repeating the same shit over and over again. You lost already so give it up. The more you speak the worse you make it for yourself.
tien714 4 days ago
@tien714 U still don't understand my answer to your question? That is;"If cocaine helps a person with mental illness,what is the problem if they take it daily?"U want me to answer an irrational senseless question again?How many times do I have to repeat myself?He would b very lucky to end up homeless or in a crack house.The only other option is death.SRI's or Benzo's are safe in overdose as well as on the heart.Niether drug alone will cause a stroke due to incredibly high blood pressure.
pnpny04 3 days ago
@tien714 You're trying to convince ppl that cocaine and SRI's have the same side effects and you even said,I quote;"the only difference between cocaine and antidepressants is that one is legal while the other is not."Really? And I'm supposed to take u seriously?Cocaine will probably sure as hell make anyone feel euphoric.At the same time,if you're willing to exchange feelings of happiness for brain aneurysms,strokes,+ death, then I guess you're right tien714; there is no problem what so ever.
pnpny04 3 days ago
@pnpny04
Antidepressants do the same thing as cocaine does; read it up. Your wrong on antidepressants; these have been known to increase chances of strokes and heart disease and this is according to big pharma themselves. I'm arguing with an idiot who is high/fucked up on antidepressants.
tien714 3 days ago
@tien714 NO YOU'RE dead wrong.I've been talking about SSRI's,the newer ad's! I'm not talking about the old TCA's and MAO's which were the only antidepressants available until the late 80'.They were deadly if taken in overdose and had nasty side effects.The first (and only) SSRI that had any capability (ON ITS OWN; READ THOSE 3 WORDS OVER AND OVER SO I DON'T HAVE TO REAPEAT MYSELF) to cause anything life threatening(Guillain-Barre Syndrome) was Zelmid.Big Pharm immediately took it off the market
pnpny04 2 days ago
@tien714 Then there was Prozac (late 80's) Zoloft,Paxil,Luvox,Celexa,and now Lexapro).Name me one drug up there that has caused strokes at the same rate in which coke or crack does.To move further.Take all of the meds I listed above and compare them (as a whole) to Coke.Cocaine causes heart attacks and strokes at an extremely higher rate compared to both classes of antidepressants (SSRIs + SNRIs).But ppl HOPEFULLY aren't dumb enough to mess around with pure cocaine daily
pnpny04 2 days ago
@tien714 you think cocaine and SRI's have the same effects on ppl but tell me why cocaine is illegal and SRI's aren't?Who in the world would want to place a patent on coke even if it did clear clinical trials?No 1 would ever risk taking on that kind of responsibility.PPl who own the company would live in a courtroom until they're kicked out on the streets.I mentioned the difference between dependence and addiction.There r no SRI houses.Plenty of crack houses though.Tell me y angry lady?
pnpny04 2 days ago
@pnpny04
What medical, chemical, lab test is available today for people to take for proof of diagnosis?
tien714 2 days ago
@tien714 Psychiatrists do not come knocking on people's doors,nor are they out in the streets trying to force Zoloft or Seroquel on people.If someone is severely depressed or has panic disorder and can't leave the house(it's called agoraphobia)it is quite obivious that no blood or urine test is needed in order to see the person is suffering!Hence they go or are taken to a psychiatrist.You seem to think Panic Disorder is normal unless a blood test proves otherwise which is absolutely ridiculous
pnpny04 19 hours ago
@tien714 The same goes for a paranoid schizophrenic who hears imaginary voices and talks to invisible people.Depressed people can't get out of bed.People with Panic disorder or PTSD spend their days locked up in the house suffering from all kinds of pathological anxiety symptoms (look up Dr. Claire Weekes and her books.GOOGLE IT).At her time it was called "Nervous Breakdown" or "Shell Shock."These ppl need to prove they're suffering is real by taking a blood tests?If u say yes, then I give up.
pnpny04 18 hours ago
@pnpny04
I'm going to ask you again, what medical, chemical, lab test are available to take for diagnosis? I'm done with you because you keep jumping over the question answer it or stfu. You have no proof of anything and yet you expect people to believe you get out of here.
tien714 13 hours ago
@tien714 U deny mental illness exists unless a blood test can prove otherwise.U deny the fact that millions of people around the world are helped by psych meds which were found serindipitously.You're stupid tests are inconsequential.Again, if sufferers are experiencing minimal side effects from a benzo and or an SSRI ,why should they stop feeling better because some bitter cranky negative person declares they must take a blood test to prove that what they were suffering from is real? Ur dumb!
pnpny04 7 hours ago
@tien714 You should stfu and stop making stupid comments like "oh, well then ppl should be allowed to take cocaine if it helps them feel better." Read a f'n medical book or shit, even a nurses handbook. If you read one Breggin book u read them all. Crack Cocaine makes one feel euphoric within seconds. It's what's called "an immediate drug."SRI's and antipsychotics are delayed drugs which gradually take effect over the course of 5 to 6 weeks.PPl don't take them to get high u idiot.Plz get a life
pnpny04 7 hours ago
@pnpny04
The more you comment the stupider you get so If I were I would stop. You keep jumping over my questions so that means you lost so stfu and get the fuck out of here because your on the wrong channel.
tien714 7 hours ago
@tien714 Wow! All I can say is Wow! You should talk!! Yea right! I'm stupid but I want you to read that first sentence there. Let me guess, your husband wrote it? You called me "stupider." WTF is that! If you don't want embarrass yourself I suggest you grab a dictionary. Don't say "stupider" ever again. Especially in public. Take that advice at the very least.
pnpny04 6 hours ago
@pnpny04
What medical, chemical, lab test are available today for diagnosis? Answer it with proof or get the fuck out out.
tien714 6 hours ago
@tien714 I'm going to tell u again.Put down ur Peter Breggin book and at least make believe ur busy for a day or two because evidently you're having a difficult time getting me and my "excellent points (lol at that)" out of your brain. When u come back from planet Moron,maybe the DEA, FDA, Supreme court, Congress...etc will make Cocaine legal and recognize it as a dangerous addictive drug just like SRI's.I wouldn't count on it though so u STFU about Cocaine already.
pnpny04 7 hours ago
@tien714 don't you mean ADHD meds??
MrSpemat 20 hours ago
she is not a doctor..or a scientist...she's a sales rep. also, notice how she didn't wean herself off the drug...she went cold turkey. psychiatrists tell you to keep taking your regular doses because if you stop you will get the withdrawal symptoms if you ask them to get you off the drugs, they will inform on how to properly wean yourself off of them...never act on your own and listen to your specialist
shintosungod 1 week ago
@shintosungod I covered this! Congrats!You have a brain!....Any person with an IQ >0 would be skeptical (kind of like reading this comment.It's easy reading unless you're tien714.Her research lead her to a staggering discovery!Duke University did a great study on mental illness.Guess what?Hopefully you're ready because this is going to blow your mind it's a miraculous breakthrough.Get this:EXERCISE AND VITAMINS help cure mental illness!Depressed?That's nothing a few jumping jacks couldn't cure!
pnpny04 5 days ago
Clonazepam is a miserable drug too... Xanax bars every 2-3 hours was miserable because it felt like I was losing it but the Klonopin starts in days....
MrSpemat 1 week ago
I get 60 1mg tablets a month and I can take 2-3 a day for two weeks then go three weeks with no problem not having any at all. I wonder how much it takes to get addicted in the way that I hear about so often not unlike this woman.
GoReds10FuckOff 1 week ago
@GoReds10FuckOff There's a difference between addiction and dependence (especially medicinal dependence).Addicts will increase their dosages (could b any psychoactive drug) in order to get high.Addicts spend their time looking for drugs on the streets, steal money, go doctor shopping, etc.Eventually,their way of life has revolved around the drug and ways in which to get it.Hopefully,their bottom isn't death and they seek help through NA or AA.But that's what addiction is.Labels can be tricky.
pnpny04 1 week ago
@GoReds10FuckOff
Addiction with antidepressants is very dangerous so be very cautious because your psychiatrist will not most likely not tell you this.
tien714 1 week ago
@tien714 I greatly appreciate the warning I am not ignorant to how dangerous benzos can be I have relatives who are full on addicts who have fits when they miss a dose. I just feel like I get prescribed quite a bit and I feel fine. Once again, I thank you for speeding awareness on the dangers of these drugs I know too many people who abuse these too often. I've been on them for three years but always have a 2-3 week break to make sure I don't go through this. Cheers!
GoReds10FuckOff 1 week ago
@GoReds10FuckOff
The sooner you get off these drugs the better. Living life drug-free is the best way to go.
tien714 1 week ago
@tien714 Yea right. Do you even know the difference between addiction (I know, the term has a much more negative,+evil connotation) and Dependence? Do u hear of NA meetings filling up with people coming terms with their addiction to SRI antidepressants?You love Google right? Look up the difference between addiction and physical dependence. I already said it idk how many times....Not to mention dependence isn't unique to psych meds.It's evident in many different classes of drugs.
pnpny04 1 week ago
@pnpny04
Just keep talking because your making yourself look like an idiot. You don't belong here; your commenting on the wrong video. These antidepressants are dangerous period.
tien714 1 week ago
@tien714 HOLY SHIT! 2 MINUTES after I write a comment you're already set to go! Dam, what a coincidence.
pnpny04 1 week ago
@pnpny04 I knew I'd come back and check and bam! You're ready to go. Don't even BS me and tell me what I have to say doesn't matter to you.
pnpny04 1 week ago
@pnpny04
WOW what an intelligent comment; lame. You seem like one of those crazy homeless people on the street talking about God. You have no proof of anything; go to sleep already.
tien714 1 week ago
@tien714 at least i don't sit around waiting for someone to argue with on youtube.And then the minute they respond,I'm ready and waiting.Yes, that was an immature comment.It's sad that I have to stoop so low.I never preached about GOD (and ur still thinking about that.it was >month ago).My point,again,was that if a med is working for someone suffering (long term,with minimal side effects) why should the sufferer listen to some grumpy miserable lady who's telling them what + what not to take
pnpny04 1 week ago
@tien714 either ur rutheless,or u didn't get it.So I had to think outside the box and dig for other i.e.'s.And yea,I brought up religion.I said,if someone finds psychological relief through the act of prayer,I wouldn't ask them to take a "chemical Imbalance,blood, medical test"and prove to me that the god they worship really exists.U said religion is a belief not based on science.Well why can't ppl believe in Psychiatry if they're feeling better?Nah,u have to put it down + tell us it's all BS
pnpny04 1 week ago
@tien714 and you know just to prove how bitter and blatantly cruel you can be.Why do you have to put down "crazy homeless people talking about God on the street."Maybe they're not crazy.Maybe they are sick and need help.Now no,I'm not out on the street homeless.However,what if someone visiting this website has a loved one who's homeless?Not a person happily on a psych med of course (they would deserve it), I mean some one like yourself.How would you feel if u had some 1 u loved who was homeless?
pnpny04 1 week ago
@pnpny04
Just keep talking this is all entertainment to me and the rest of the people. You already lost your case and your still blabbering; idiot.
tien714 6 days ago
@tien714 It's obvious I lost what case?Psych meds have been around since the 50's and >60 yrs later,THEY'RE STILL HERE.You mean they're all off the market? You and "the ppl" have defeated Big Pharm.?No one is taking meds anymore?Which planet r u on now? If I'm such a joke why are you wasting months of ur time arguing with me?STFU and move on.Concentrate on helping "the ppl" instead of popping up in my emails every day.I don't mind getting back to u and repeating myself.It's quick + easy!
pnpny04 5 days ago
@tien714 NTM, last night at 2:30 am you're replying to my comments. At least tell me you live on the west coast! I'd rather be stupid than crazy. Even though of course, I'm dead on with everything I've said.
pnpny04 1 week ago
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TaylerKnox 1 week ago
As a recovering opiode addict,I have nerver heard anyone speak as true and exact to the point on the subject as Gwen.I absolutely benifit from her lectures.A total expert and pro on the subject,i greatly appreciate her efforts.Everyone who struggles with prescription drug dependency should view her works...
moonman091 2 weeks ago in playlist oxycontin
@moonman091
Your right one moonman. Gwen speaks of the truth about these harmful medications.
tien714 1 week ago
Why take Xanax for a "little anxiety"
SoberMindedBryan 2 weeks ago
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pnpny04 1 week ago
@SoberMindedBryan She said "because it was popular!!!" Why "decide (on your own) to increase the dosage of your anxiolytic?" hmmm....
pnpny04 1 week ago
I'm not telling ANYONE to take an antidepressant (and vice versa). I don't know how tien714 doesn't understand what I'm saying. Look at my argument from the standpoint of treating cancer. There are people out there who have had cancer for a long time, and they (along with the doctors) have no idea what caused it. It may not have been detected for a long time. Despite not knowing the direct cause of the cancer are you going to tell the sufferer to decline radiation therapy? I'd hope not.
pnpny04 3 weeks ago
@pnpny04
You keep going in circles; cancer can be seen with medical test to BACK IT UP unlike "mental disorders" . Again where is the medical test for "mental disorders" for proof of diagnosis. You already lost your stance so the more you speak the worse you look.
tien714 2 weeks ago
@tien714 So wtf is the difference?If someone commits suicide because he's severley depressed, what am I supposed to say?"Oh, well at least he didn't try an antidepressant,because they couldn't find a chemical imbalance." What kind of sense does that make? How about taking a course in logic?Your argument sucks anyway. Because I never said that AD's work for everyone.They don't.But I'm going to tell u something that's going to piss u off.They do help many,many sufferers out there.Sorry!
pnpny04 2 weeks ago
For people out there who are genuinley having a hard time with Psych. meds, I'm not implying that it's all in your head.I'm not saying psych. drugs are perfect and that they help everyone. I know that they do not.On the other hand, I see every day how they do help people gradually over time. People who,at one time could not stop crying and threatening to kill themselves (btw, I'm not a doctor).What tien714 doesn't get, is that I'm only suggesting u keep an open mind.....
pnpny04 3 weeks ago
@pnpny04
You should speak for yourself on keeping an open mind. I told I am objective about this topic. If you don't agree with this video than stop commenting already. If anything these harmful antidepressants increase suicides and homicides/violent behaviors. You don't get it because you have no proof of anything; your just using subjective opinions and the last time I checked that is not medical nor scientific. Get a clue already.
tien714 2 weeks ago
@tien714 you have no proof that antidepressants increase suicides and homicides.I said Millions of people take these meds around the world.Some might take there own lives.For someone that's looking for such scientific precision as to the cause of mental illness,you put an awful lot of faith in internet Google searches and a single study by Duke University that exercise and vitamins not only help with depression,u made the claim that they're more effective.How do u know that?Guess work?
pnpny04 2 weeks ago
I've gone through diazepam withdrawal. I started taking it to help my lack of ability to sleep. I took 500x 10mg Diazepam, 100x 1mg alprazolam, and 5mg diazepam over a period of 4-5 months. I never realisd the intense hold it had taken on my life. As they're not overly abusable, in terms of euphoria, I simply didn't understand the effects it had on me
HeliosFramework 3 weeks ago
@HeliosFramework I had to go cold turkey, because I didn't have a prescription, and had no way to obtain more for at least a month. Long story short, I was sick, sleepless, anxious, depressed, lifeless for 5 weeks after 3 days after my last dose. Use with respect, and only if completely necessary!
HeliosFramework 3 weeks ago
@HeliosFramework
You grew some type of dependence/addiction to the drugs since your body is use to it; it needs more of it sort of like addiction to cocaine. I understand how you feel on the addiction to antidepressants and I hope you live a happy drug-free life. Good luck.
tien714 2 weeks ago
@tien714 I could never put myself through that again. I just have to get around to quitting smoking.. if it wasn't so easily available, i'd have quit long ago. Thanks for the kind words, cheers!
HeliosFramework 2 weeks ago
these nuts would hurt doctors if they could - this is scientology garbage from a brainwashed hack
mikefiftynine 1 month ago
@mikefiftynine They are trying through law suits and the exclamation that psych. drugs shouldn't be prescribed.These Quacks (like tien714) certainly have an "axe to grind (as William Appleton MD would say.Especially in reference to Peter Breggin MD)."What an "axe to grind" means IDK (I guess alterior motive),but yet they're out to hurt people more than anyone.The ppl who stand in there way are sufferers who've been helped by psych meds.They would prefer they suffer and lose access to their meds.
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
I ask you a simple question," What medical, chemical, blood test, etc are available today for people to take for proof of diagnosis?" and your answer? Well wait a minute you have no answer. You have the burden of proof not me so don't turn this question around on me. Usually when people this it means that they are losing or already lost the argument so they return a question with a question; go home loser.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714
pnpny04 3 weeks ago
@tien714 I never asked for a debate yet still I answered your question,100 times.I don't give a shit how many Breggin books you've read or what proof u think is out there.I don't need to google shit.Being as pathologically cynical,u believe everything you read using ur google search engine? Or just the negative shit written about psych drugs? YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING HELPED DAILY THROUGH THE USE OF PSYCHOTROPIC MEDS! WHY? ENVY? IT DOESN'T HELP WITH YOUR LAWSUIT?
pnpny04 3 weeks ago
@pnpny04
No you see unlike you I am objective about this topic; I see it both ways. I ask you a simple question and you can't even answer nor admit to the truth. Instead you go on a rant about something relating to nothing which doesn't make your case look good. I'm going to ask you again what medical, chemical, blood test etc is available today for customers to take for proof of diagnosis instead of saying they have it using subjective opinions?
tien714 3 weeks ago
@tien714 No you see it one way. That is. "People, do not take psych meds because they are too addicting with too many side effects." I say. "listen to your own body. No one should tell you what's best for you (cough, cough). If you're suffering and can't get out of bed maybe try an SRI. It does not cause addiction in the same way coke does. The choice is yours but I wouldn't resort to Cocaine (which isn't an SRI. When have we seen homeless Zoloft addicts roaming the streets?Please, get real)"
pnpny04 3 weeks ago
@pnpny04
It's not just Cocaine it's other substance too like LSD. You keep ignoring the harmful nasty effects of antidepressants. It's your type of thinking that scares me; every single little symptom big pharma names they want you to go to your doctor for drugs. You know that drugs are forced onto people especially children so this hows that I'm debating with a person that doesn't do their research. Everytime you talk your making yoruself look foolish so keep talking.
tien714 3 weeks ago
@tien714 Coke and LSD are schedule 1 drugs.Not only here in America but around the world and which ever planet you're on as well.Even Red Bull is considered more dangerous than an SRI in some countries.You're ignoring all of the benefits of medication.Yea, i know there are lawsuits against big pharm every day.But in the end,it's nickel and dime shit for them. Not too mention, ppl like u are suing big pharm. for all kinds of medications.But it's drugs like, Vioxx not Zoloft that's being recalled
pnpny04 3 weeks ago
@pnpny04
Don't even try to compare something like Red Bull with these harmful and nasty antidepressants; that is the lowest of the low. This just tells me how badly you are losing the argument. There are lawsuits because antidepressants do in face cause so much harmful whether it can with infants or adults. Your ignoring all the nasty and harmful side effects of antidepressants and people like you that make me sick.
tien714 2 weeks ago
@tien714 Instead you answer my question with a question that was irrelevent to my original question. You asked..."what chemical, blood, medical,...etc tests are available to prove someone has a chemical imbalance." WTF does that have to do with my original question? Give up? Nothinig. And let me make this clear. I don't care about getting raped by commentators who disagree with me. Who else is arguing with me? I'll leave it up to u to care what ppl think. Why the hell are u on here...?
pnpny04 2 weeks ago
@tien714 U don't keep an open mind. You refuse to acknowledge the benefits of psych meds while accusing me of not recognizing their imperfections. Just because there's a long list of "potential" side effects doesn't mean a sufferer will experience any of them. They have to list everything that people report. You make it seem as if every side effect reported, will be experienced by the person suffering. I'm not the one telling ppl what and what not to take.Each person is different.
pnpny04 2 weeks ago
@pnpny04
I am so tired responding to you because it's useless. Gwen Olsen is against antidepressants so why are you posting on here? I'm telling you that psychiatrist/doctors do blow off their patients when they complain of these side effects. HellosFramework agrees with me on this. These drugs have hurt so many people; the evidence is there and yet you refuse to believe, therefore there is nothing more I can do. Google is a way to find articles and is not the source itself.
tien714 2 weeks ago
@tien714 Well I'm certainly not on here to tell people what they should never put into their bodies. That's where this all started. I suggested that you should not make a definitive statement like this one... "never take xanax because it's too addictive and has way too many side effects." What did I say after that? I said,"tell that to a person with panic disorder and agoraphobia (whose quality of life has plummeted, along with his/her's family)!"Xanax might be the only thing that works.....
pnpny04 2 weeks ago
@tien714 Panic Disorder is very real (go ahead and google it).If treating it were as simple as excercise and a good multi vitamin,I'm all for it.Excercise will help augment the SRI or Benzo later on.After the first few panic attacks,the sufferer becomes house bound,visits websites looking for help.I'm on here b cuz I have their interests in mind.After a Panic D. sufferer reads comments such as yours,she'll think it's a hopeless situation.Meanwhile you don't know what she's going through at all!
pnpny04 2 weeks ago
@pnpny04
As you can read by other commmenters that you are losing/or already lost your case. No on else agrees with you.
tien714 1 week ago
@tien714 what are u talking about? IDC who does or doesn't agree with me. Maybe u r on here for a popularity contest!If so,good luck!Now Moonman is talking about his addiction to opium.What does that have to do with antidepressant's?How many times have you heard a story where a pharmacy is getting held up, and people are getting executed because the gunman wants loads of Celexa?Or any SRI? Story's like the 1 in Patchogue LI help put into perspective how addicting certain drugs really are.
pnpny04 1 week ago
@pnpny04
Now your left standing for yourself because no one agrees with you on here. The crowd has spoken now leave.
tien714 1 week ago
@tien714 Ur such a baby.lol No u leave! "the crowd has spoken!" So dramatic! What part of not caring about what ppl think do u not understand?
pnpny04 1 week ago
@tien714 Well at least I have the heart to acknowledge the reality of suffering from both sides. For (seemingly) the quintillionth time,I asked u..."If people have been using benzo's to treat PTSD,SAD,Panic Disorder and agoraphobia for months or years without increasing the dosage,why is that a problem?"You know, because you're a very caring concerned individual.What if nothing else works? I even went so far as to explain how agoraphobia can leave one depressed + suicidal! Still,no answer!
pnpny04 1 week ago
@tien714 PPl who are close to me.What they say is all that matters.As for "the crowds unfavorable opinions."Are you referring to the "thumbs up vs thumbs down section?"The crowd doesn't know me personally. They don't know what I've seen and experienced throughout life. I haven't judged any of them. So if they want to judge me simply from what I've said here on youtube, fine! W E "they think they know regarding who I am," ironically tells me more than I need to know about "the crowd."
pnpny04 1 week ago
@pnpny04
Your posting on the wrong video; go find one that supports your type of psychotic thinking.
tien714 1 week ago
@tien714 What kind of psychotic thinking? Oh, u mean the kind of psychotic thinking that goes something like..."if it isn't broke, why fix it?" Now here's some psychotic thinking for u,and from u...the tien714 model:"hey if you're life sucked,but you've been taking a psychiatric drug for years with minimal side effects,and you're quality of life has substantially increased, get off the drug asap because I just don't want you to feel better!"Very rational thinking tien714!Sounds logical! lol
pnpny04 1 week ago
@pnpny04
Like I said Zoloft and such are additive; you just need to google it or do research. Your comparing apples and oranges. Prove to me that a chemical imbalance exist and I'll leave you alone and if you can't prove it than stfu ok.
tien714 3 weeks ago
@tien714 IDC about ur lawsuit.You're never going to win shit there gold digger. Because you have no proof that psych medications did any harm to you. Ur messed up brain is responsible for your stubborness and stupidity. How come no 1 else is arguing with what I'm saying? That is, if a med. has been helping some 1 who's suffering from depression and or panic disorder while experiencing some side effects (albeit the benefits out weigh the cons) why should he stop?He need not! End of story!
pnpny04 3 weeks ago
@pnpny04
I don't have the burden of proof you do; take a debate class. I already won this debate so gave it up already because your making yourself look like a fool. What are you doing commenting on this video anyways? There are many documented cases on these harmful antidepressants so get a clue and do your research. Your commenting on the wrong video; go over to cchr you videos and than you will get raped by commenters who disagree with you. If cocaine helps somebody than......
tien714 2 weeks ago
@tien714 U take a debate class. Lesson 1...Don't answer a harmless question with an inconsequential one. For the bilionth time. This all began when you made a stupid comment, suggesting that Xanax is too addictive and that no one should ever take it. My response..."Tell that to a Panic Disorder sufferer who has been taking a benzo for years with minimal side effects. He's now able to work every day + care for his family. I asked you why should he stop?"U can't even answer that.
pnpny04 2 weeks ago
@tien714 Shit, You mean I'm making myself look foolish because I know psych. meds help many people suffereing from some form of mental illness (despite their imperfections). Why not try and compare Red Bull to an SRI? That crap is banned in several countries for a reason, where Zoloft or Paxil isn't (desipte this perception you have that you know more then them). And cocaine?Coke is so much more lethal in OD,causes high bp, and it damages the heart.SRI's r much safer.Very foolish.
pnpny04 2 weeks ago
@pnpny04
Your the one who is a Quack; with no proof of anything but yet you claim that it's true? According to your theory the tooth fairy exists with no proof of anything.
tien714 1 month ago
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pnpny04 3 weeks ago
i trust my drug dealer more that most doctors these days
SirSneakE 1 month ago
I meant how am I ingnoring all the potential nasty side effects of cocaine. I did give my opinion on Cocaine. Remember, I said, I would never recommend it as a Control Schedule 1 drug. I too, wouldn't use it. At the same time if someone wants to use it every day, it's not my business, and I won't tell them what to and/or what not to put in their bodies.
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
Again missing my whole point; your ignoring all the harmful nasty side effects of ANTIDEPRESSANTS but yet you acknowledge the side effects of cocaine Read your facts about antidepressants but since you lack that ability here are a few of the hundreds: increase rate of heart attacks, strokes, suicides, homicides, violent behavior, etc and all those have been documented. For example, Columbine shootings, Virginia Tech Shootings.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 Oh okay, any time there's a shooting, blame a generic sri! That's good science for ya. F U and your condescending attacks on my level of intellegence. Go back to your narrow minded Peter Breggin books and tell people how dumb they are because they've been taking meds that have been helping them for X amount of years with minimum side effects. I never said they work for every single person. SO WHO IS NARROW MINDED NOW?
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
Your being narrowed minded or in denial whatever you want to call it because you are ignoring all the harmful nasty side effects that antidepressants have caused and you haven't even answered my question of what medical test is available to take TODAY for a diagnosis. The fact that psychiatrist and members of the FDA board are receiving KICKBACKS from big pharma creates HUGE CONFLICT OF INTERESTS is wrong. You have your facts all wrong.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 SRI's cause homicides, suicides, and violent behavior? I guess judges are dumb as well because there is no scientific proof to back these claims. Yea, I personally know a case where a guy was taking effexor, hung himself, and his wife sued. The fact that he was mixing the drug with his alcohol didn't help her case much. I wonder how many cases out there are similar where albeit the waters are muddied, people sue! It's the American way today. It's always some one elses fault. So sue!
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
The fact that during these clinical trials people have committed suicides; look it up on CYMBALTA suicides. A lovely young woman commits suicide; she had no history of "mental disorders". Big pharma covers it up and STILL RELEASES CYMBALATA; just admit that you were wrong I am right so this debate in which you are losing badly can end. But when it is someone else fault than AMERICA should sue like with HARMFUL AND NASTY ANTIDEPRESSANTS. It does cause suicides and homicide.
tien714 1 month ago
I'll say one thing though, if you're a follower of Peter Breggin MD, than there will be no chance you and I will ever come to an agreement. Therefore you and I may as well stop going back and forth. Yes, I've read his work and for certain reason's (nothing to do with investing in big pharm. and IDC if ppl think I'm lying or not, I don't work for big pharm, I don't hold stock in any of their company's...etc) I have a intense disliking for the man.
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
Again all you do is go in rants with nothing to do with this topic; this is usually a sign of weak arguments.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 Then fire the person trying to comprehend what I'm writing and try someone else. I don't see anyone else saying they don't get it. And I'm in enemy territory here. Call a friend. Honestly, have you ever taken a course on "critical thinking." Any schooling to your background or are you simply focusing on being angry at people who advocate meds? Especially toward people who have used them and find them helpful?
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
Well than according to your theory it should also be ok for people to take cocaine if it helps them? That is how you exactly sound like. Your ignoring all of the nasty harmful side effects that associates with antidepressants but yet you don't with cocaine.
tien714 1 month ago
Xanax is the shit! try some triple c's or "skittles"
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SteamHelp4Life 1 month ago
You never decide to increase your dosage on your own. Never! Now that's what she said she did. Did she even communicate with her doctor? Was her doctor aware of her decision to stop taking the Xanax?If (s)he was,the doctor would have been the first person to tell her that is not a good idea because of the withdrawal consequeces that follow.I doubt that her doctor's instructions were to take Xanax, then say gee I'll stop, stop, experience withdrawal symptoms,then DECIDE to increase the dosage .
pnpny04 1 month ago
These drugs are ADDITIVE and HARMFUL; DO NOT TAKE THEM REPEAT DO NOT TAKE THEM.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 Is this "definitive statement"coming from someone who has a diagnosis of Panic Disorder,with or without agoraphobia?I'm assuming not or else you would be well aware of specialists who have spent years researching the potentially debilitating,life threatening illness (Jonathon Davidson,Stuart Shipko,David Sheehan,etc...).I suppose the good news for you is that sufferers of PD are much more likely to take your advice because they're so scared,needy,confused and vulnerable to pursuasion.
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
What medical, blood, chemical, etc test is available for people to take TODAY to PROVE their diagnosis?
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 there is a book called the DSM. A diagnosed patient does not need a blood test or have to piss in a cup in order to know something is wrong. I'm not going over everything.There are tons of info.out there regarding panic disorder with/or without agorophobia,including all of the symptoms,what separates a panic attack from full blown panic disorder, etc..Have you ever seen someone with paranoid schizophrenia?Perhaps worried worms are feeding on their brains,talking to invisible ppl?
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04Now if a pdoc has a patient talking to invisible people about worms eating his brain,and if a drug was found through serindipitous findings (Thorazine) to lessen the intensity and frequency of delusions + paranoa who are we to tell the patient and his family to stop taking the drug "because there are many unpleasant side effects and 1 day they will find that a previous maintenace dosage no longer is effective so an increase is needed.Same goes for Panic Disorder patients taking Xanax
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
The DSM is a joke and it's bullshit; this is according to Allen Frances head of DSM. Psychiatry is pseudo science; if you believe that than your a fool. Prove it instead of just relying on subjective opinions and making up stuff; why is that so much to ask for? Just admit there is no proof or else you just digging yourself into a hole.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 So you're saying Panic Disorder is some made up illness? First of all you're the one that so ignorantly stated that people should never take Xanax because it's addictive.Do you go take a blood test and piss in a cup when you have aches and pains?You really need proof that what you're experiencing is an actual headache?It's known among the scientific community that Tylenol or Asprin helps with headaches,however a headache is not caused from a lack of acetaminophen in the brain.
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
I've debated with people like you many times and it's all the same lame weak arguments. I ask you to prove it and you can't so you go on some rant about something else. If you don't refute any of the FACTS than that means you AGREE with them. Also your comparing apples and oranges; a soldiers limb you can actually see unlike a "mental disorder" so there is no comparison there. The hole for you is getting deeper and deeper.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 You're telling me that by looking at the soldier's injured leg, that YOU CAN SEE HIS PAIN? NO!The soldier is feeling pain in his Central nervous system! A panic disorder sufferer is not out looking to get high!He's not increasing his dosage on his/her own. Nor is the sufferer looking too buy pills off the streets!They want to FEEL BETTER! If Xanax or some other benzo helps the individual go to work and take care of his family what in the hell is wrong with that?Tell me,because u know.
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
Is pain a "mental disorder"? NO so again your comparing apples and oranges. Like I said if COCAINE works for an individual than why not legalize it and let them use it? I'm just trying to follow your theory. COCAINE works in the a very similar fashion to antidepressants; you can look it up. I never claimed to be an expert so why won't you tell me because you know.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 Going all the way back to your original statement. "Xanax is too addictive and "no one should ever take it." Right. Yet, if it helps people function at a set dosage (w e it might be) and take care of themselves and/or loved ones, what are you to say "they should not take it?" You recommended alternatives that work better! What are they and where is the scientific proof to back up your claim that in FACT, these alternatives work better. I know you probably will not answer this.
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
Ok so according to your theory that if something is addictive or bad for a person but yet it helps them than they should continue to take it? So if COCAINE or other illegal drugs helped a person than they should continue to take it? Do you see how you sound? The alternatives that I mentioned don't need scientific proof, however you still haven't provided me with any scientific proof what so ever so don't try to this around on me that makes you look bad.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 My point has nothing to do with whether pain is a "mental disorder"(Too which you agree does exist yet, completely dismiss my idea that a benzo can be helpful. You said definitively that "it's not the answer but yet you claim your alternatives are better").The point regarding pain medication is that Morphine and Asprin work on the CNS,treating various degrees of pain yet the pain is not caused by a deficiency in Asprin or Morphine.Yet Morphine works despite its limitations
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
Since you have the burden of proof saying that a "chemical imbalance" exist than PROVE IT!!! All your doing is ignoring the question or going in circles. Your comparing apples and oranges; pain is not a "mental disorder" so your point is invalid.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 no apples and oranges. What I'm saying is relative.I said Morphine and Asprin work for pain despite the fact these drugs were not present in the person's brain before the injury.You ignored my question from the get go.That was,if a person is taking Xanax at a set dosage to treat Panic Disorder,why should he stop?Cocaine has no medicinal use,seriously increases blood pressure and is much more dangerous in overdose.So I would never recommend it yet,I DON'T TELL PPL WHAT TO DO!
pnpny04 1 month ago
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@tien714 no apples and oranges. What I'm saying is relative.I said Morphine and Asprin work for pain despite the fact these drugs were not present in the person's brain before the injury.You ignored my question from the get go.That was,if a person is taking Xanax at a set dosage to treat Panic Disorder,why should he stop?Cocaine has no medicinal use,seriously increases blood pressure and is much more dangerous in overdose.So I would never recommend it yet,I DON'T TELL PPL WHAT TO DO!
pnpny04 1 month ago
@tien714 IDC if psychiatry is a pseudo science or not.I'm more concerned with PD sufferers feeling better while your accusing people of actually making up mental disorders which effect the sufferer and her family.You want scientific data or else you assume the person is lying not only about his/her battle with Panic Disorder but you need further proof that Xanax can help with that person's quality of life.Who the hell are u to accuse me of making things up or relying on subjective opinions...
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04 At first I thought you were ignorant but now you're starting to worry me. Maybe we could talk religion and I'll ask you for scientific proof backing whatever you "know to be true" or else make claim that you're lying and listening to people's opinion. Not to mention your following of a book filled with make believe stories! How many examples do you need? So far I used at least 3. Again,if Xanax works well for those suffering from Panic Disorder why are u so concerned with medical exams?
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
It's hard to believe someone just based on subjective opinions without medical/scientific proof. That is like saying the TOOTH FAIRY exist without proof. How about taking COCAINE? If this drug makes someone feel "better/good" than not legalize it and let them take it? These drugs have very similar effects to COCAINE. I never said these symptoms weren't real that is far from the truth; what I'm saying is drugs aren't the answer. There are many alternatives and works better.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 I'd love to hear about your SUPERIOR alternative remedies though.Not to mention all of the scientific data out there to validate your claim that they are better. How do these drugs have very similar effects to Cocaine. I never heard of someone with bi polar using (say) Risperdal as a recreational drug.Cocaine is sold to addicts every day on the streets.At what point in time have TCA and SRI's been in high demand among dope addicts needing more + more Zoloft + in/out of rehab.
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
You can look up COCAINE and antidepressants on google. COCAINE works in a very similar fashion to antidepressants the only difference is that COCAINE is illegal and antidepressants ARE NOT. Antidepressants can be very additive and very harmful. If psychiatrist cannot PROVE of a chemical imbalance than they shouldn't claim to know that it is. I know the TOOTH FAIRY exist and you ask for proof? NO PROOF. Do you believe me? Thought so.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 No, cocaine is not the same and is much more dangerous in overdose and/or too ones heart than an sri. Like I said, and after all this is about "addiction." People with MDD and/or PD are not out on the streets homeless or in crack houses looking for their next fix of Sertraline.. Do you believe in air? Can you see it? Billions of people accross the world believe strongly, in GOD.I'm assuming you're an atheist right?Because you need proof of GOD'S existence through science.
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
Let me get this straight you comparing air to "mental disorders" your point again is invalid. Actually air can be captured into a tank called h2o for astronauts and scuba divers so yes air can be measured therefore there is PROOF OF AIR. Unlike "mental disorders" where it cannot be seen, nor proven medically so you have just MADE YOUR OWN POINTS INVALID. Now your bringing religion into this? Oh please you are something else you know that. The hole for you is getting deeper
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 Oh no! I'm in a hole because a medication works for me! Shit! Okay I'll stop because I can't see my Panic Disorder. Part of diagnosing the disorder is eliminating medical problems that mimick PD (i.e.Graves disease).Why not bring religion into a mental health conversation? Why do people say "thank god"when a prayer "is answered?"Maybe GOD had nothing to with it.PPL pray for so n so to get better or,"YES I'M finally happy because Mom is in a better place."......
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
I never said these feelings and problems aren't real but for big pharma and psychiatry to label them with invented labels is an outright fraud. Religion has nothing to do with this so your points are invalid. Anyone reading your comments can see that the medication has taken your thought process.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 My mentioning seeing air was meant to be just as sarcastic as your tooth fairy model of ....? I even had an answer for why someone may indeed see the tooth fairy but you skipped over it. Religion is not used among mental health patients (or man in general)? Since when? People pray to GOD all the time for all sorts of things to work in their favor? If some of it comes true, they say"Oh well thank you GOD!"Or how about,"well we can all be happy now since so n so is in heaven!....
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
When you mentioned air it only hurts your case because air can be measured and proven unlike "mental disorders". My guess is you never took a debate class. No, you still haven't provided any scientific proof of anything so all psychiatry is is pseudo science; why won't you agree to that? Just by reading your comments on God I see now what medication does to you.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 What does medication "do" to me?
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
What does medication "do" to you? Your asking me? There are plenty of known harmful side effects so do your research first and not rely on your psychiatrist because they will not tell you anything.
tien714 1 month ago
@pnpny04 So concepts of GOD,heaven, eternal joy, aren't backed by scientific proof, but they're tools used by people for attempts of validation, to know their will be a happy ending, and basically, to keep a better frame of mind.Now maybe they are in a better or "healthier mental state."As a matter of fact people are so convinced they'll be happy in the after life, they're willing to fly into buildings ensuring that they and others die horribly.Religion has everything to do with mental health
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
LoL your replying to yourself? hahahahahah. Man you really do need the medication.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 "Yea, hahahahaha. lmao." Seriously, grow up. I was expanding on a previous post. You think it's hilarious and want to hold something trivial like that against me, go ahead. What did I just say about people and Cocaine? I'm not repeating myself. Which antidepressants are considered as addictive as Cocaine or LSD?
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
Some of these medications do fall into the same category as illegal drugs. I'm laughing because it's funny and your doing the same thing so stop being so hypocritical. All you do is avoid my questions and excellent points.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 excellent points? What? That if Xanax works for a Panic Disorder patient while the person is taking a set maintence dosage,not searching the streets to buy more pills,not increasing dosages on his own,not trying to achieve a high (all 3 factors are hallmarks of "addiction"),experiencing minimal side effects,and has a better quality of life,he should stop taking the drug because you would prefer he stay miserable and read about all the potential side effects until he's a hypochondriac?
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
The side effects are very serious and they happen more often then you think. You see psychiatrist often blow patients off when they speak of their side effects and often add a another antidepressant to offset the side effects of the first antidepressants which is very dangerous. The same goes with cocaine if it works for a person and they like it then they should continue to take it.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 yea, that's why one needs to be an expert of his/her own body.How am I not ignoring all the potential nasty side effects associated with Cocaine?I said it increases blood pressure, is not safe on the heart, and can cause death due to OD! Death isn't negative enough? I even said that I've seen and heard of many people being rushed to the hospital because they smoked or injected too much Cocaine or Crack.I've heard of many rehab centers geared toward crack addicts,but not SSRI users.
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
You missed my whole point which doesn't surprise me. What I meant was you ignore the harmful nasty side effects of ANTIDEPRESSANTS but yet you acknowledge all the side effects of cocaine; your in complete denial. Now where is the scientific proof of your chemical imbalance? If you don't answer this than that means I win the the DEBATE case closed.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 And so are millions of other people taking the meds who aren't on here bitching! They're in complete denial? Your debate has nothing to do with my original topic?You can't explain scientifically, what's happening in the brain of those who feel better after taking their meds.You mean DUKE UNIVERSITY did a single STUDY? WOW,did you google that?There are studies going on all the time.Check out the biopsychiatry site for example.This "debate" was you steering away from the topic.
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
Just because many are taking certain drugs does not make it safe just like with cocaine. The fact that psychiatrist receive kickbacks from big pharma is a big RED FLAG and your ok with that; makes me wonder what else your ok with. Biopsychiatry has absolutely no scientific proof of anything nor have they traced a "mental disorder" gene despite their attempts; it's all a fraud. Again I have refuted your points and your points are weak.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 Yet the website (especially when you click on the blue highlighted words) lead you to numerous research studies. Thousands! That's all I said! It was in response to your remarkable findings from a single Duke University Study. You started the immature name calling the same way you steered off topic from my original comment. Yes, I am ashamed I stooped down to your level. But I probably wasn't wrong. GOD or the belief in GOD(s) has nothing to do with Mental health?
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
I win this debate because you haven't refuted anything and your arguments are weak. I'm going to ask one last time: WHAT MEDICAL, CHEMICAL, BLOOD TEST, ETC IS AVAILABLE TODAY FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE TO PROVE DIAGNOSIS? If you give a weak or no answer than THAT MEANS YOU AGREE WITH ME, THEREFORE I WIN THIS DEBATE.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 You're so immature. hahahahaha, I was expanding on what I was talking about in a previous comment. Who cares if I made that mistake anyway! How old are we here? You told me "NOW I CAN SEE WHAT THE MEDS ARE DOING TO YOU." I asked what? And you're laughing. Seriously, it's late keep your chilren off the computer when you get this message. What if I'm not experiencing any of these "side effects" google? Or the benefits out weigh any negative side effects.
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
There is a long laundry list of side effects associated with antidepressants you might want to look those up. Did you know what psychiatrist/doctors receive kickbacks from big pharma for prescribing these awful drugs or you that dumb to ignore it?
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 Are you too dumb to realize that despite there being a laundry list of POTENTIAL (of course you leave that word out) side effects,it doesn't mean the person will experience them.I don't give a shit who is getting kickbacks from who! What does that have to do with a medication being helpful in the treatment of Panic Disorder! You're comparing apples n oranges.Not to mention,exercise and vitamins for the treatment of severe mental anguish?A paronoid schizophrenic needs Centrum?Okay lol
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
Re-read your comment again do you see how narrow minded you are? It does matter when psychiatrist are receiving kickbacks from big pharma; you have a mind of a 6 year old so I have to explain it to you. When kickbacks happen they create a CONFLICT OF INTERESTS, therefore psychiatrist over prescribe even to customers who don't need them. Exercise is very effective and this is according to DUKE UNIVERSITY STUDY.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 I probably have more college credits than you have brain cells bitch.
pnpny04 1 month ago
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tien714 1 month ago
@pnpny04
Sorry but clown college credits doesn't count; I can tell by your immature name calling.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 While you have the mind of a Peter Breggin M.D. .He's an extremist as well. For me, if it works why fix it.I never said was what people should and/or shouldn't put into their bodies.You did.That's how this conversation started.Simple as that.If I wanted to read about medical, blood,chemical tests or lack thereof,I would pick up any book written by Peter Breggin MD.He claims psych meds do so much evil, while at the same time accusing them of being little more than a sugar pill
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
If cocaine works than why fix it. These pills do so much evil and he is an expert in this field so what were you credentials again? He has evidence to backup his claims unlike you. These harmful and nasty drugs have been linked to VIRGINIA TECH, COLUMBINE, and many other school shootings which something that cannot be denied. The DSM is complete BS; no science to back it up; It's voted in just like being a homosexual. It's all a fraud.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 Whether the DSM is a fraud or not, what does that have to do with my original question. That is, if someone has been taking Xanax long term and at a set dosage to treat his suffering from Panic Disorder, who are you (or anyone else) to tell the sufferer to stop taking the drug? THIS WAS MY ORIGINAL QUESTION? Where in the question is there mention of "chemical imbalance theories."That's all I asked and u accuse me of ranting?I realize PD isn't caused by a lack of Xanax to the brain.
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
What does religion have to do with the original question? Your a hypocrite and a lair. Your ranting about God you lunatic; anyone reading this will agree with me. Do not mix God in with this matter. There is no science to back up psychiatry and the DSM period unless you have some scientific proof that you have failed to mention. The DSM is voted in by a group of so-called experts sitting around a table; is that science? NOPE.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 My point on religion has more to do with you trying to drag me into a chemical imbalance debate, to which I never asked for. So I stated how people make moral judgements, declare GOD is anwering prayers, "know" they're going to heaven, all in the name of different religious concepts. I said ppl will die for what they percieve to be true (whether it is or not). Relatively speaking, do ask these people for scientific proof to validate their praying. Forget it.If you can't figure this out
pnpny04 1 month ago
@pnpny04
Again do not bring in God because it makes you look like a lunatic. You no proof of nothing; PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop bringing God/prayers I'm not asking about that. You need to read my comments because I will not repeat them.
tien714 1 month ago
@tien714 lmao. You declared victory.hehehe! How pathetic. Please tell me I'm not wasting my time talking to your 8 yr old child. BTW, I will pray for them!! haha. I answered your question a million times but you're still being retarted! Hint, it's in this very post! Before someone is suffering from PD, there is no proof that his symptoms were caused by a lack of vitamins,excercise,or Xanax.What I think makes you angry is the fact that psych meds help so many people while for some they don't.
pnpny04 1 month ago