I agree that Mormons should not be singled out for being weird, because ALL religions are weird, in their beliefs, traditions or both. Seriously. Have a look at almost any Catholic ceremony (let alone their contradictory behavior of accepting only one god, but praying to hundreds of saints - almost AS gods). It's amazing what people will believe just because someone SAID it was so. Are there any rational religions? Doubtful.
Really? Because my Mormon inlaws, God love them, all are on welfare of some sort. My mother in law was given food by the church when she was struggling only to later find out the church declaired it monitarily as a tax exemption. She was forced to declair over 500 dollars as income which put her over the limit to recieve her medicare by 50 dollars.
TheSkepticChristian is an idiot. He obviously thinks statistics on making money and being married, etc, prove that his religion is not an abomination that follows a false prophet.
@roadsideflowers "Most mormons are married" Proves evangelical anti-mormon accusations wrong, that LDS divorce rate is high.
"There are fewer mormons in jail" In Jail, 298 mormons(0.4%), lets multiply 298 and 12 million by ten. We get 2,800 and 120 million. (120 million is more than catholic or Protestant) Evangelical usually accuse our religion of being evil, Yet in Jail, 26,162 Protestants. According to Appendix: 1997 Bureau of Prisons, please see the statistics again in my video.
@painlessreborn boastfulness?Noo, I was humble enough to admit that other organizations did better on some things, according to statistics. This video is to respond to claims made against the church. and you know, the last slides are the best ones. :) Now, can you explain AB resistance or plant speciation without using the Theory of Evolution?
@TheLuckylovers okay, then tell the people that attack our religion, to leave our religion alone. Its not nice when people accuse of of not being Christian. We Mormons are Christian, we believe in Jesus Christ.
What i get out of the conversation and the video is u dont like any religon but ur own, this video was just plain rude to the mormons, what if u were 1 and u saw this video? u would be hurt!! who cares if the mormons pray more then the muslums or id the jws pray more then obama!, who cares!!!!!!???!!!!!!
@TheLuckylovers According to the Statistics, Jehovah's Witnesses pray more than Mormons. Hoewever this video is intended to be a response to the accusation that Mormons are far from God. Many people think that we Mormons are from God, however that is not true. This video is just plainly made to be a response to weird accusations against the Mormons
@MormonFacts1 WOW, it surprises me that you claim you were a Mormon for 16 years, you probably never paid attention in Sunday School. Kolob is not a planet, its a star that is nearest to the thrown of GOD. Now please come back, when you Explain AB resistance or plant speciation without using the theory of Evolution.
@MormonFacts1 Well that's very good for the JW, inst it? Obviously I am NOT saying that we are better. But you obviously didn't pay attention to my video, or else you would know what point I am trying to make. You should also take another look at the slide on prayer, its embarrassing that other other religious people accuse us of being wrong, yet the statistics on prayer show something else. Also, this video alone refutes many anti-Mormon arguments.
@MormonFacts1 Well that's good, aren't Muslims an example then? However, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses have a higher praying rate among all Christian Religions.
26 And after that he came men also were saved by faith in his name; and by faith, they become the sons of God. And as surely as Christ liveth he spake these words unto our fathers, saying: Whatsoever thing ye shall ask the Father in my name, which is good, in faith believing that ye shall receive, behold, it shall be done unto you.
26 Now, as I said concerning faith—that it was not a perfect knowledge—even so it is with my words. Ye cannot know of their surety at first, unto perfection, any more than faith is a perfect knowledge.
18 And the Lord said unto me: Thy fathers have also required of me this thing; and it shall be done unto them according to their faith; for their faith was like unto thine.
10 And Ammon said unto her: Blessed art thou because of thy exceeding faith; I say unto thee, woman, there has not been such great faith among all the people of the Nephites.
11 Wherefore, by faith was the law of Moses given. But in the gift of his Son hath God prepared a more excellent way; and it is by faith that it hath been fulfilled.
7 For it was by faith that Christ showed himself unto our fathers, after he had risen from the dead; and he showed not himself unto them until after they had faith in him; wherefore, it must needs be that some had faith in him, for he showed himself not unto the world.
4 Now ye see that this is the true faith of God; yea, ye see that God will support, and keep, and preserve us, so long as we are faithful unto him, and unto our faith, and our religion; and never will the Lord suffer that we shall be destroyed except we should fall into transgression and deny our faith..
21 And now as I said concerning faith—faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true.
Its you who doesn't know. Why do you say you were an asst. to president? Is an asst. to president a better missionary? with a stronger testimony? and better understanding? Not necessarily.
No offense taken, because I know you're wrong and just shooting off your mouth. Ya might want to do a better job of following the scriptures you're quoting....
@ZelphKinderhook I just don't want people to see our unnecessary conversation, that's all. So can you explain plant speciation without using evolution now? Just go to any science website to find out what I am talking about. Education is good for you. (no offense)
@ZelphKinderhook Okay sir, Goodbye, just do me a favor, don't lie to people, telling them that you were a return missionary, I did believe you at first, until you told me you were an assistant to the president, if you were a real return missionary, you would know that does not matter. All missionaries are equal in the mission field.
Don't you dare accuse me of lying. You're either really stupid or really young, and obviously don't know how missions worked long ago. If you EVER want someone to take you seriously, don't make stupid remarks about something you obviously know nothing about.
@ZelphKinderhook Most return missionaries don't mention publicly what callings they had on their missions. Why do you do it? Since it seems that you get a little prideful for mentioning that you were an assis. to president, It makes me wonder, what kind of missionary where you, did you work only for key indicators? Where did you serve? Its just enough to mention that you are a return missionary, (if you say you are a ex-missionary, it means that you didn't finish)
2 And now I, Mormon, speak unto you, my beloved brethren; and it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, and his holy will, because of the gift of his calling unto me, that I am permitted to speak unto you at this time.
I am Mormon, and a pure descendant of Lehi. I have reason to bless my God and my Savior Jesus Christ, that he brought our fathers out of the land of Jerusalem, (and no one knew it save it were himself and those whom he brought out of that land) and that he hath given me and my people so much knowledge unto the salvation of our souls. (3 Nephi 5:20)
@ZelphKinderhook Do you have any evidence that God didn't create life using natural processes? Do you have any evidence that he didn't create earth out of solar nebula? Do you have any evidence that the universe and reality don't need God? Where did the laws of physics came from? Do you have any evidence that a quantum-field has always existed? M-theory? As you can see, atheists have many assumptions without evidence. This pale blue dot, is really important to the great supreme being.
Are you not paying attention? I've said many times that I don't claim there's proof of absolutely no god. All I have said is that simply because you don't understand why something happens, doesn't mean it's proof of god. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
@ZelphKinderhook True, their is not scientific proof for God, we can agree on that. However, why do you assume that he is uninvolved with earth? Isn't wonderful how much he loves the inhabitants of this pale blue dot, that he gave us agency? We are like the sand of the sea, don't you think? and yet God loves us. Anyways, I think you should come back to the church, and I hope you do.
@ZelphKinderhook "a god involved with this earth" Do you have any evidence that he is not? Do you have any evidence that the laws of natural selection just exists because they exists? Do you have any evidence that the instructions for evolution just exists for no reason? What about the Genome? I assume you are aware who is Francis Collins? Isn't it a miracle that life has survive for more than 3 billion years, even when another planet hit earth? Where did reality come from?
I'm really getting tired of saying the same thing over and over. I've said, time and again, that I don't claim there IS evidence of NO god, but I also don't think there's evidence OF a god. Don't you understand the difference? Likewise, just because something is wondrous, isn't proof of a god, either.
Please don't re-hash this again... this is territory we've already explored many times. I guess you're not able to see the obvious logic in my simple statement.
@ZelphKinderhook Atheist philosophers (pretty sure he is an atheist), like Rogger Trigg, teach that religions should be given a chance. Read his "A Defense of Religious Realism" You need to learn to explore other possibilities.
@ZelphKinderhook It seems that you think that Atheists are always right (no offense). My grandpa is an atheist, and since I was a kid, he tried to convince me that their was no God. I know how atheist think, I have taken my philosophy courses, but I still have the same conclusion, God exists, and Mormonism is true. Do I have to accept your conclusions, in order for me to become open minded?? Why did you become an atheist? Maybe I can help you as a friend.
Well what a disgrace for our progression as a humanity, I though Atheists were the ones complaining that religion keeps humanity from progressing. It seems that your atheist anti-mormonism, prevents you from doing your philosophy and science.
Bullcrap. There are plenty of scientists out there who are interested in those topics. The fate of the world does not rest on whether or not I'm interested in a particular topic.
Furthermore, by "challenging" me to explain these phenomena, once again you're ignoring the fact that just because you don't understand how something works is not proof of a god. Or did you forget that already?
You use the same arguments over and over, and they really go no-where. Have fun.
@ZelphKinderhook "Bullcrap" Okay, tell that to your fellow atheist, like Richard Dawkins that admire. "by "challenging" me to explain these phenomena" Actually, this last challenge, "Plant Speciation"supports Evolution LoL , nothing to do with evidence. You really should do your science and philosophy and explore other possibilities, no wonder you became an exmormon.
You're not even making sense with that last comment. No wonder you're still stuck in the falsity of Mormonism. I'm tired of you repeating the same arguments over and over.
@ZelphKinderhook you said, "Bullcrap" I said, Tell that you your fellow atheists that you admire and brainwashed you. and the only thing I proved in my last comment, is that you talk when you don't know what you talk about. " A B resistance and plant speciation as "don't understand how something works"? To be cool, I tell you this in a good way, but you should do do a little research on science. Can you explain nuclear fusion? Or how magnets work?
@ZelphKinderhook I am no kid, I just like to play stupid with people that feel smarter, just because they are exmomo, now they think they are open and smarter, but I just proved that you are not as smart, beyond doubt (no offense)
An always existing -quantum field, m-theory, and nothing behind the universe are just assumptions, don't you all think? Any evidence for those assumptions? Where did the laws of physics come from?
Yes he was. I think it would be hard to find a smarter, more charismatic man to lead a church. Extremely savvy and lovable, no wonder he got so much love. I still left the church, of course! But continued to admire him in some ways.
Mormonism can be shown to be false without going into stats on marriage, income, etc. No "anti" worth his salt would even care about these numbers. Nor do I really ever here them brought up. Seems more like bragging, to me...
@ZelphKinderhook Not really, I can refute most "anti"-mormons claims.
" even care about these numbers" This video alone disproofs a stupid documentary out there, of course they will care. The documentary claims that this church is dangerous supposedly because of "high divorce rate". This is actually more for the religious anti-mormons, but I could even handle the secular critics of the church. Just like creationist think that earth is 6,000, so do you think you can disproof this church easily.
I really doubt that. The authorship of the Book of Mormon alone is enough to show that Mormonism is false, not to mention the supposed "translation" of the Book of Abraham. You don't need to be an "anti" in order to see that it's all a bunch of modern myths. But I'm not here to start an argument on that.
I've never heard of such a documentary... it must not have much "buzz" to it.
@ZelphKinderhook Intellectual critics don't know who wrote the BOM, don't even how many authors it had. Book of Abraham? You need to be more specific, their are many accusations against it, science, book of breathings? what? so I can refute it? "bunch of modern myths " need to be more open minded, even I think atheist Rogger Trigg gives religion a chance "never heard of such a documentary" Ironicaly its the most popular anti-Mormon documentary, but it was made about 40 years ago. its evangelical
Are you still railing against the Godmakers? Wow, let it go...
I know the vast majority of reasons that Mormon apologists give, but they don't really suffice. It wasn't enough to save my belief, & I was a missionary, Gospel Doctrine teacher, Elders Quorum Pres, Branch Pres & even a temple worker. I DID the trial of my faith- eventually, logic won out. There's a reason why the Mormon church grows so slowly... you don't need to be an "anti" to realize it's not true.
@ZelphKinderhook GMarkers is a stupid documentary, that tried to scare people, telling them that the lds church is dangerous, and Mr. Ed got divorce because of the church, and started to make all this stupid accusations. Would let it go, but people like "solomanspaming" still trust it as a source
You don't need to be "anti" to no agree with my beliefs. " There's a reason why the Mormon church grows so slowly" All religions are decreasing, and atheism is increasing. " I was a missionary" me too
The reason why atheism is increasing is that people are realizing that religion isn't logical. Not to be mean, but it's true.
Take, for instance, Moroni's promise. On the surface, it's beautiful! Just read, ponder and pray, and god will answer your prayer. Awesome!
But then you learn about "confirmation bias" & then you realize that EVERY devout religious person also feels the spirit... after all, that's WHY they're IN their religion.
@ZelphKinderhook Why wouldn't people feel the spirit? Everyone is a child of God. Now its sad that some atheists have more faith in the m-theory, in a always existing pre-quatum field, or even time travel. Now I have a question for you. What evidence are you looking for the existence of GOD? Can you give examples, but without expecting for find magic (break of law of physics) or that only good people get healed. What evidence would you like to see for his existence??
@ZelphKinderhook "Any proof of god would have to be verifiable, persistant, and not subjective" can you be more specific please, can you please mention examples? What proof would you like to find? or see? or verify? Magic? only good people getting healed? Laws of physics getting broken? " it's useless for determining which church is true" Well this church has all the truth, thats why the BOM is the key, and thats why God has me here. We go by faith, not by knowlege.
You have a dictionary, I'm sure. So you know what those terms mean.
Why would I mention examples? Wouldn't that be up to this supposed god?
Oh, the BofM is the key? But I've just shown you how the promise of the BofM totally fails. Every devout person feels the spirit in their own churches. You're all feeling the same thing. So how can your BofM be key if you can't tell the difference? Or is your spiritual experience somehow more valid than theirs?
@ZelphKinderhook the reason why atheists ask for evidence, so they could later think of something to challenge the argument. For example, the M-theory would be an alternate explanation for the argument the the universe has a number of key properties that allow life to be possible. So my question is, what would convince you for the exitence of God? Examples please. Yes BOM is the key, we feel the holy spirit for the truth, the BOM is truth, so its an addition.
Something to challenge the argument later? Naw, we just want evidence. Got any?
Regarding the BofM, you are still missing the point. If all of the churches are feeling the holy spirit (which they are), then how are you able to claim that yours is the only completely true church?
@ZelphKinderhook If unicorn exists, I would like to find bones, fossils, ancient paintings of them, in many different civilizations, but so far nothing, historical accounts in many different ancient civilizations. Or a good video..... "we just want evidence. Got any?" What would you like to find?? examples please.
" still missing the point" I know what you are saying, but its hard for me to repond here, I will respond to you later about this, in a personal message, much more space.
However, you won't accept them, because atheists look for alternate explanations. Why is dark matter not evidence of God's intervention? How can I demonstrate that it is? What I am trying to explain, is that its like impossible to prove the existence of God, This universe is not like a star trek episode, where you can pick behind the scenes. Instead of asking for evidence, Atheists should say that they don't believe because they don't see God.
@ZelphKinderhook well facts are facts, if Dark matter is God's intervention, then it won't matter. But how am I suppose to demonstrate that it actually is? (I personally believe that everything is God's intervention, even evolution). So my point basically is, that atheists should Not say that their is no evidence for the existence of God, but they should say instead, that they don't believe because they don't see God. That's what they should say in my opinion.
If you cannot demonstrate that it's the intervention of god, that simply means you have no proof. Theists just need to admit that they have no proof, only faith.
Whether you like the phrase or not, it's still true: there really is no evidence for god.
@ZelphKinderhook But its impossible to proof scientifically the existence of God, its harder to proof the existence of God scientifically, than multi-universes outside this universe. Yes I admit their is no scientific proof for God, but how could their be? Only in the millenium. God is not going to put his name in DNA codes, or in constellations, so I am much more happier, if atheist say that they don't believe because they don't see God, rather than saying that their is no evidence. .
@ZelphKinderhook Their is no scientific proof for the existence of God, I agree with that, but its impossible to proof the existence of God scientifically. For example, the only way to prove that Dark energy is an intervention of God, is by observing God. Thats the only way to prove his existence,(that I could think) is to observe him, to see him. Asking for evidence of the existence of God, is like asking to see him.
So you've answered your own question to me... the only proof that could be valid would be a persistant, objective, tangible observation of god. Without that, there's no proof for god's existence.
So why follow a religion when you don't even have evidence of a god... much less which church is supposedly "god's church"? You CAN be good without god.
@ZelphKinderhook Their is no scientific evidence for God, I agree. But you can still be a rational person and believe in God, watch?v=W9feXeL-3XA
But I believe in God because of personal evidence. I have no reason to believe in unicorns, spaghetti monsters. But I do have many reasons to believe in a higher power.
@ZelphKinderhook "you'd still be incorrect in believing in god." that's your opinion, you can't prove that I am incorrect for believing in GOD. Just as I can't scientifically proof that he exists. My reasons are personal evidence, spiritual experiences.
It's not just my opinion. Based upon tangible, verifiable evidence, you have no proof. Spiritual experience are but psychological experiences, and while the connection with "god" seems real, there's no proof that it's anything more than something that's manufactured by your own mind. So, unless you have evidence that's tangible, reproduceable, verifiable, etc... then you are incorrect to believe in a god. I'm not trying to be mean, just logical.
@ZelphKinderhook Real spiritual experiences cannot be demonstrated false, but cannot be proven scientifically either, otherwise, they wouldn't be personal evidence, and just like my friend said, ""We don't believe because of philosophy, we believe because of revelation. Well, the atheists reply, why ought we believe in revelation? _My_ answer is always that I'm a pretty sceptical sort, but God knew what it would take to persuade me, and I got it. Theirs is between them and God.""
Uh, I wasn't trying to prove them false. However, you can't prove spiritual experiences DO have a connection to god, either. So it's incorrect to claim that your spiritual exp's are true. Same with "revelation"... it's all subjective, not provable. Therefore, since there's no objective evidence, you can't say you KNOW there's a god. You're correct to say you BELIEVE- but that's not the same as truly knowing- no matter how strongly you think you "know this church is true".
@ZelphKinderhook If an angel in reality appears to you, how can you prove that you were not hallucinating? I can't prove my personal evidence to the world, but its good enough for me. It convinces me, and there is objective evidence for me. It can be confirmed, if other people experience the same thing, But I can't prove it to others, otherwise it wouldn't be personal evidence. This argument is equivalent as proving the the universe is not an illusion
@TheSkepticChristian " I can't prove my personal evidence to the world, but its good enough for me. It convinces me, and there is objective evidence for me"
@nickleus1977 "mormonism is a weird cult" you are taking an outsiders approach, the minority is always going to be weird to the majority. DO your philosophy, and learn from philosophers that teach the people to give religion a chance, yes their is one atheists philosopher who teaches that.
@AtheistDoctrines Sir, I don't know were you studied at, or what your high school teacher told you, but if you didn''t know, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, is a total Unbiased credible source for information about religion and statistics. Its respected, its like claiming that National Geographic is not credible. This statistics prove that divorce rate is lower among Mormons, I am not sure on the State of Utah. You should see all the video .
@theskepticalignoramous You might want to consider approving the comments posted on your video like the rest of you cult members so people don't offend you with the painful truth, like joseph smith was a con artist, an adulterer, and a pedophile. And a freemason satanist.
Anyway, have a wonderful life, and again, enjoy hell for spreading your blasphemy, but have a great day;)
@solomanspamming Painful truth LOL, I could refute every single argument you make, I did it before remember? and I could do it again, Now go learn about the Theory of Evolution, because I am tired of hearing pure ignorant and boring anti-mormon arguments. Your arguments are boring, just admit it, Now try to refute my videos
watch?v=IvM8e-uluUw
Painful truth? Actually your Biased interpretations, You are just too Biased, you have no idea what atheists say about Christians.
Mormons were openly racist against blacks until the gov't threatened to take their tax-exempt status in 1978.
Mormon founder Joseph smith was arrested for conning people in 1826 by putting his face in his hat and pretending he could seek hidden treasure by looking at seer stones. He then 'translated' the book o'moron doing the same thing in 1827-1830.
Smith was actually secretly married to many women before he said an angel threatened him with a sword telling him to be a polygamist or die.
1992, television news reports and stories in the Salt Lake Tribune and Mormon-owned Deseret News revealed that the LDS Church was embroiled in an ongoing internal study into satanic child abuse and ritualistic molestation involving 60 Mormon victims...The alleged rituals included human sacrifice, sexual rites, psychological abuse and child molestation. Ceremonies were reported to often occur in Church owned meeting houses and, in at least one case, inside a Mormon temple.
Mormons are still racist, they tell their members not to marry outside of their race.
“We are unanimous, all of the Brethren, in feeling and recommending that Indians marry Indians, and Mexicans marry Mexicans; the Chinese marry Chinese and the Japanese marry Japanese; that the Caucasians marry the Caucasians, and the Arabs marry Arabs.” (Spencer W. Kimball, “The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball,” p. 303)
No LDS have come out saying this is no longer what they preach.
@TheSkepticCristian Ok, for one the reason behind the ban was never made known, so you assigning it under assumption is just dishonest. Two, blacks head the priesthood before 1978, check out blackLDS(dot)org for a list of blacks who had the priesthood before and durning the so called ban. Also, try applying the context of time, compared to other churches, which demanded blacks be segregated from the congragation, the LDS church was far more liberal for the frame of time.
Beginning in the early 1820s, Joseph Smith was paid to act as a "seer" in (mostly unsuccessful) attempts to locate lost items and find precious metals hidden in the earth.[4] Smith's procedure was to place the stone in a white stovepipe hat, put his face over the hat to block the light, and then "see" the necessary information in the stone's reflections. Remnants of the magical culture stayed with him to the end." wikipedia-joseph smith seer stone
Joseph Smith - When asked, "Will all be damned but Mormon?" he replied, "Yes, and a great portion of them unless they repent and work righteousness" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 119).
Founder of Mormonism Joseph Smith was a freemason & satanist.
When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething ENERGIES OF LUCIFER ARE IN HIS HANDS, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, [Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree Freemason, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry p.48
Yes mormons are just flat out better people. They are superior to the non-mormon in every way, they become gods after they die and start there own populations who all must inbreed on far off invisible planets.
No wonder they are such a proud white and delightsome holier than thou society. ALL HAIL THE ALMIGHTY MORMONS!
@solomanspaming Oh, I though you were talking about the USA population, but anyways lets be FAIR, lets look at the Christian percentage (besides Catholic and Orthodox, but they are also Christian) they are 860 Million out of 6,775,235,700 people in this world. Thats about 1/7, or .14. Not even one fourth of the population. AND THATS ADDING ALL CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS, even jw. So with those two exceptions, it makes a small percentage.
@TheSkepticChristian mormons are not christian, there are only inverted pentagrams on mormon temples and no crosses.Gordon Hinckley said in 1998 that mormons don't believe in the Jesus Christ of the bible but that they believe in 'another jesus'.
"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171)."With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Jof D 8:199).
@solomanspaming LOL I could get you sources from secular anti-mormons, atheists, and even other evangelicals that say that we are Christian. Even :) the Encyclopedias, it says that we are Christian. and you misunderstood Gordon B Hinckley . AND :) less than 14% of the People, a lot less are "bible-only". So don't be Biased with your claims. and What I did in my video, I didn't say that we Mormons are superior, I only proved anti-mormon claims wrong.
If mormons were christian, belief that Jesus is your savior would be the only thing required. Since mormons say you have to believe that a guy 'translated' plates with seer stones in his hat(witchcraft) and you have to pay tithing and do everything the mormons tell you, they should be called 'SMITHIANS' not christians. They would not put inverted pentagrams all over there temples if they were christian, And they would not claim god was racist against blacks until 1978 if they were christian.
@solomanspaming The church was never racists LoL, some individualmembers might have been, but not the church. and again with your BORING accusations and arguments, I am tired of hearing the same thing over again, and I am tired of refuting your CLAIMS. you anti-Mormons need to find another Hobby. Go and learn about the Theory of Evolution instead, and refute Richard Dawkins claims, instead of wasting your time.
@TheSkepticChristian The mormon church taught that blacks were cursed and therefore not allowed to hold the mormon priesthood until 1978. If you are denying this, you are just a liar, or a complete retard, so enjoy hell for spreading your blasphemy, and have a nice day;)
@solomanspaming I didn't know you were that misinformed, the idea of black skin being a curse, came from Evangelicals. Yes members believed that, but it was never part of the official doctrine. and the church as no position on the issue. Me the retard?? Well lets see, come and join me at
watch?v=0MpTMCpNVqI&feature=channel_video_title
and I will have a lot of respect for you, if you refute translantic's claims about evolution, or if you disproof evolution, see you there.
you should research the LDS web site familysearch org, there is a list of 24 of the 33+ women the lying, pervert, conman, adulterer joseph smith married. It started with an affair with 16 year old Fanny Alger, who the smiths ADOPTED, Then became Joe's 2nd wife. Then it lead to 11 women who were still married to their husbands, and two-14 year olds. Some say as many as 48 women total.
Go to wivesofjosephsmith org for complete details.
@TheSkepticChristian you are unaware of the masons. Did you know joseph smith was a 33rd degree mason, and a satanist?
"When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy"Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree, K.T., The Lost Keys of Freemasonry p. 48.
@solomanspaming Yes JS was a mason. Go learn about the Theory of Evolution, and educate yourself. Atheists like Dawkins, are mad, because of guys like you, who just don't think rationaly in some subjects. I am tired to refute your claims, trust me I know A LOT more than you, so stop bothering me with your anti-mormon arguments. I been hearing the same crap for too long. By the way, try to refute my arguments, check my other videos that I uploaded
1992, television news reports and stories in the Salt Lake Tribune and Mormon-owned Deseret News revealed that the LDS Church was embroiled in an ongoing internal study into satanic child abuse and ritualistic molestation involving 60 Mormon victims...The alleged rituals included human sacrifice, sexual rites, psychological abuse and child molestation. Ceremonies were reported to often occur in Church owned meeting houses and, in at least one case, inside a Mormon temple.
satanic child abuse cont:Glenn L. Pace, Second Counselor in the Presiding Bishopric sent this memo in 1992: "I don't pretend to know how prevalent the problem is. All I know is that I have met with 60 victims. Assuming each one comes from a coven of 14, we are talking about the involvement of 800 or so right here on the Wasatch Front." (Salt Lake City Messenger Nov. 1991 p. 5).in a telephone conversation, Pace's secretary later confirmed the existence of the memo.
In defence of the Mormon church, these satanic activites are NOT, nor were they ever doctines of the church. Anything that happened on church property was obviously NOT with the knowledge of the church. You need to get your facts correct! I may not believe in the Mormon religion anymore and I take issue with many things they do, but this is false and just unwarranted rumor-spreading!
@solomanspaming correction, Joe's myth was a 32nd degree mason, who didn't follow the rules for increasing his degree of masonry. However, Albert Pike explains:As a man is invited to go up the degrees, he is told more and more things, until finally, about the 28th Degree, he realizes he is worshipping Lucifer, the good god. He has been mightily prepared for this revelation, so he can "look on such a brilliant influx of spiritual light without damaging his vision" Morals and Dogma , p. 496-500]
@solomanspaming Your annoying anti-Mormonism is not invited here, Go and learn about the theory of evolution, and progress intellectually, instead of wasting your time reading your Biased trash. You can't even respond to my videos without making circular arguments
@TheSkepticChristian And most importantly, a christian would't say that all are damned except for the mormons.Joseph Smith - When asked, "Will all be damned but Mormon?" he replied, "Yes, and a great portion of them unless they repent and work righteousness" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 119).
"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199).
A fair video would have made direct comparison to LDS and atheist statistics. Such as 5.5ish million mormons equates to 0.399% in prison. Compare this to 30ish million atheists gives 0.209% in prison. (using your sources) You made this as a response to a video titled "Atheist", yet you only compare LDS to other religions. Oh and the bogus appeals to authority in the first part of your video are pitiful. The world is filled with educated/intelligent people who have bat shit crazy ideas.
@Lucky7Wolfin Lets make a more fair comparison then. The 0.399% mormons, I would say that 90% or more, actually don't go to church or are not committed to the church principles. So the religion would not be a major part of their life. You can't say the same thing for atheist, you can't say inactive or committed or non-committed atheist. Now lets compare the statistics of Utah (high percentage of Mormons) with Sweden(high percentage of atheists). It can be with crimes, abortion......
@TheSkepticChristian ROFL @ "commited atheist". Tell me please, what does one have to do so that they can qualify as an inactive, committed or non-committed atheist. A fair comparison was made. It followed the same rules as the comparisons you made using the over all population of a country and the groups within. Now you want to change the rules in at least three ways. Also, it's strange how you omitted to point out the under representation of atheists, in relation to mormons, in this video.
@TheSkepticChristian ROFL @ "commited atheist". Tell me please, what does one have to do so that they can qualify as an inactive, committed or non-committed atheist If you are applying your 90% too mormonism you have to apply it to all the religions in your video, You can not suddenly put a condition on a figure without applying it to all the figures you compare with. Unless you want to claim that every single member of every religion you mention is "committed to (his/her) church principals".
@Lucky7Wolfin okay , lets say that about 10 percent (Maximum) of the 0.339% prisoners were committed to the church.
Yes I can apply that 90% to all religions, but it would be the same thing. But 90% cannot be applied to atheists, because their is no such thing as committed atheists, atheism is not a religion, its not even a belief.
@TheSkepticChristian Sorry for the repeated part in my reply. I seem to have lost the ability to use the copy/paste fuction.Your argument that mormons, in general, are more law abiding is not in dispute. I wouldn't even need you to produce figures for me to agree with you. However, why not compare to atheists using the same rules? As I pointed out you are replying to a video titled Atheist. And I'm glad you realise there is no such thing as an inactive, committed or non-committed atheist.
@Lucky7Wolfin First of all, you said I appeal to authority? how? if I am not attempting to prove anything in this video, I am just showing the statistics according to this sources. But like I said, that compare would be a little unfair, because what about the Mormons that do not go to church, they are simply label as Mormon, but nothing more. I am pretty sure, that most of them in prison, are Mormons that are just label them selfs as Mormon, but nothing more.
@TheSkepticChristian Well I think you are trying to prove something. Mormons are not "weird". Something you did when using comparisons to normal everyday, secular issues. However, I could probably do the same thing with the Westboro Baptists. Shirley Phelps Roper is actually a very good lawyer. But, I'm sure you would agree, her religious views could be described as some what out of the ordinary. Or weird? Shame about these small comments boxes. Not a great place to hold discussions. :(
@Lucky7Wolfin I should probably also mention the purpose of this video, is to imitate the other video called "Atheist" here in YOUTUBE, its a response, but not to suggest that we are better, but that we can be good as well, in education, and other things. In fact I am not saying that we are better than anyone.
I agree that Mormons should not be singled out for being weird, because ALL religions are weird, in their beliefs, traditions or both. Seriously. Have a look at almost any Catholic ceremony (let alone their contradictory behavior of accepting only one god, but praying to hundreds of saints - almost AS gods). It's amazing what people will believe just because someone SAID it was so. Are there any rational religions? Doubtful.
JustWasted3HoursHere 4 days ago
ok
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
Why the 17 thubs down?
TheMrgoku1985 3 months ago
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@TheMrgoku1985 Why the 17 thubs down?
Bigots.
dorisfenella 2 months ago
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In the Name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate 1
Praise belongs to God, the Lord of all Being, 2
the All-merciful, the All-compassionate, 3
the Master of the Day of Doom. 4
Thee only we serve; to Thee alone we pray for succour. 5
Guide us in the straight path, 6
the path of those whom Thou hast blessed, not of those against whom Thou art wrathful, nor of those who are astray. 7
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akeello 4 months ago
Not as impressive as the Atheist video. . .
mazakiel 4 months ago
Mormons are the spawn of satan. JK
sariahtea 5 months ago
Really? Because my Mormon inlaws, God love them, all are on welfare of some sort. My mother in law was given food by the church when she was struggling only to later find out the church declaired it monitarily as a tax exemption. She was forced to declair over 500 dollars as income which put her over the limit to recieve her medicare by 50 dollars.
krejasiSMA 5 months ago
@roadsideflowers It is an appeal to vanity. Most of the Pharasees and Sadusees were highly successful and rich too.
RedSun875 5 months ago
I honostly think being a mormon is excuse to have multipule wives to have sex with
Xzerio 5 months ago
@Xzerio If you honestly think that, then you're a bigger idiot than if you were just saying that to be unkind.
standinmyshoes 2 months ago
"An active inner spiritual life is more protective than merely outward forms of religious observance"
:)
dorisfenella 2 months ago
Mormon Jesus!
Way of the master says you guys are heretics.
TheMrgoku1985 5 months ago
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TheSkepticChristian is an idiot. He obviously thinks statistics on making money and being married, etc, prove that his religion is not an abomination that follows a false prophet.
dinopad10 6 months ago
@dinopad10 Satan can´t cast out Satan.
dorisfenella 2 months ago
what does any of this prove?
fendertele1988 6 months ago
@roadsideflowers "Most mormons are married" Proves evangelical anti-mormon accusations wrong, that LDS divorce rate is high.
"There are fewer mormons in jail" In Jail, 298 mormons(0.4%), lets multiply 298 and 12 million by ten. We get 2,800 and 120 million. (120 million is more than catholic or Protestant) Evangelical usually accuse our religion of being evil, Yet in Jail, 26,162 Protestants. According to Appendix: 1997 Bureau of Prisons, please see the statistics again in my video.
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
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roadsideflowers 6 months ago
@roadsideflowers lol, nice. I actually thought you were a cool person too. go ahead and delete this too.
roadsideflowers 6 months ago
@roadsideflowers I am sorry, I made a mistake, my bad, I usually don't delete comments. You can comment here , I have no problem .
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian :)
roadsideflowers 6 months ago
@roadsideflowers I made a mistake, and I tried to correct it, my bad, I didn't mean to delete your comment, sorry,
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@painlessreborn boastfulness?Noo, I was humble enough to admit that other organizations did better on some things, according to statistics. This video is to respond to claims made against the church. and you know, the last slides are the best ones. :) Now, can you explain AB resistance or plant speciation without using the Theory of Evolution?
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
I dont care, why cant u guys just leave religions alone?!!!??!!
TheLuckylovers 7 months ago
@TheLuckylovers okay, then tell the people that attack our religion, to leave our religion alone. Its not nice when people accuse of of not being Christian. We Mormons are Christian, we believe in Jesus Christ.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
What i get out of the conversation and the video is u dont like any religon but ur own, this video was just plain rude to the mormons, what if u were 1 and u saw this video? u would be hurt!! who cares if the mormons pray more then the muslums or id the jws pray more then obama!, who cares!!!!!!???!!!!!!
TheLuckylovers 7 months ago
@TheLuckylovers According to the Statistics, Jehovah's Witnesses pray more than Mormons. Hoewever this video is intended to be a response to the accusation that Mormons are far from God. Many people think that we Mormons are from God, however that is not true. This video is just plainly made to be a response to weird accusations against the Mormons
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@MormonFacts1 WOW, it surprises me that you claim you were a Mormon for 16 years, you probably never paid attention in Sunday School. Kolob is not a planet, its a star that is nearest to the thrown of GOD. Now please come back, when you Explain AB resistance or plant speciation without using the theory of Evolution.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@MormonFacts1 Well that's very good for the JW, inst it? Obviously I am NOT saying that we are better. But you obviously didn't pay attention to my video, or else you would know what point I am trying to make. You should also take another look at the slide on prayer, its embarrassing that other other religious people accuse us of being wrong, yet the statistics on prayer show something else. Also, this video alone refutes many anti-Mormon arguments.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@MormonFacts1 Well that's good, aren't Muslims an example then? However, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses have a higher praying rate among all Christian Religions.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
Moroni 7:26
26 And after that he came men also were saved by faith in his name; and by faith, they become the sons of God. And as surely as Christ liveth he spake these words unto our fathers, saying: Whatsoever thing ye shall ask the Father in my name, which is good, in faith believing that ye shall receive, behold, it shall be done unto you.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
Alma 32:26
26 Now, as I said concerning faith—that it was not a perfect knowledge—even so it is with my words. Ye cannot know of their surety at first, unto perfection, any more than faith is a perfect knowledge.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
Enos 1:18
18 And the Lord said unto me: Thy fathers have also required of me this thing; and it shall be done unto them according to their faith; for their faith was like unto thine.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
Alma 19:10
10 And Ammon said unto her: Blessed art thou because of thy exceeding faith; I say unto thee, woman, there has not been such great faith among all the people of the Nephites.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
Ether 12:11
11 Wherefore, by faith was the law of Moses given. But in the gift of his Son hath God prepared a more excellent way; and it is by faith that it hath been fulfilled.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
Ether 12:7
7 For it was by faith that Christ showed himself unto our fathers, after he had risen from the dead; and he showed not himself unto them until after they had faith in him; wherefore, it must needs be that some had faith in him, for he showed himself not unto the world.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
Alma 44:4
4 Now ye see that this is the true faith of God; yea, ye see that God will support, and keep, and preserve us, so long as we are faithful unto him, and unto our faith, and our religion; and never will the Lord suffer that we shall be destroyed except we should fall into transgression and deny our faith..
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
Alma 32:21
21 And now as I said concerning faith—faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
Moroni 7:42
42 Wherefore, if a man have faith he must needs have hope; for without faith there cannot be any hope.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
Moroni 10:20
20 Wherefore, there must be faith; and if there must be faith there must also be hope; and if there must be hope there must also be charity.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
Its you who doesn't know. Why do you say you were an asst. to president? Is an asst. to president a better missionary? with a stronger testimony? and better understanding? Not necessarily.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
Ephesians 5:25
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
1 John 4:7
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
John 13:34
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
1 Corinthians 13:4
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
No offense taken, because I know you're wrong and just shooting off your mouth. Ya might want to do a better job of following the scriptures you're quoting....
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook I just don't want people to see our unnecessary conversation, that's all. So can you explain plant speciation without using evolution now? Just go to any science website to find out what I am talking about. Education is good for you. (no offense)
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Goodbye, kiddo.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Okay sir, Goodbye, just do me a favor, don't lie to people, telling them that you were a return missionary, I did believe you at first, until you told me you were an assistant to the president, if you were a real return missionary, you would know that does not matter. All missionaries are equal in the mission field.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Don't you dare accuse me of lying. You're either really stupid or really young, and obviously don't know how missions worked long ago. If you EVER want someone to take you seriously, don't make stupid remarks about something you obviously know nothing about.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Most return missionaries don't mention publicly what callings they had on their missions. Why do you do it? Since it seems that you get a little prideful for mentioning that you were an assis. to president, It makes me wonder, what kind of missionary where you, did you work only for key indicators? Where did you serve? Its just enough to mention that you are a return missionary, (if you say you are a ex-missionary, it means that you didn't finish)
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
Moroni 7:2
2 And now I, Mormon, speak unto you, my beloved brethren; and it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, and his holy will, because of the gift of his calling unto me, that I am permitted to speak unto you at this time.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
I am Mormon, and a pure descendant of Lehi. I have reason to bless my God and my Savior Jesus Christ, that he brought our fathers out of the land of Jerusalem, (and no one knew it save it were himself and those whom he brought out of that land) and that he hath given me and my people so much knowledge unto the salvation of our souls. (3 Nephi 5:20)
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
I think asking for proof is meaningless, can you all give me evidence that their is no supreme being?
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
I've never said that there is proof of NO supreme being, only that there's no proof OF a supreme being.
However, if there was one, he/she/it seems to be remarkably uninvolved in this world, and incredibly arbitrary.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Do you have any evidence that God didn't create life using natural processes? Do you have any evidence that he didn't create earth out of solar nebula? Do you have any evidence that the universe and reality don't need God? Where did the laws of physics came from? Do you have any evidence that a quantum-field has always existed? M-theory? As you can see, atheists have many assumptions without evidence. This pale blue dot, is really important to the great supreme being.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Are you not paying attention? I've said many times that I don't claim there's proof of absolutely no god. All I have said is that simply because you don't understand why something happens, doesn't mean it's proof of god. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook True, their is not scientific proof for God, we can agree on that. However, why do you assume that he is uninvolved with earth? Isn't wonderful how much he loves the inhabitants of this pale blue dot, that he gave us agency? We are like the sand of the sea, don't you think? and yet God loves us. Anyways, I think you should come back to the church, and I hope you do.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Why do you assume that there IS a god involved with this earth, given that there's no evidence of it?
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook "a god involved with this earth" Do you have any evidence that he is not? Do you have any evidence that the laws of natural selection just exists because they exists? Do you have any evidence that the instructions for evolution just exists for no reason? What about the Genome? I assume you are aware who is Francis Collins? Isn't it a miracle that life has survive for more than 3 billion years, even when another planet hit earth? Where did reality come from?
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
I'm really getting tired of saying the same thing over and over. I've said, time and again, that I don't claim there IS evidence of NO god, but I also don't think there's evidence OF a god. Don't you understand the difference? Likewise, just because something is wondrous, isn't proof of a god, either.
Please don't re-hash this again... this is territory we've already explored many times. I guess you're not able to see the obvious logic in my simple statement.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Okay, okay, its just that simple, its call prayer, and you know it.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Prayer is simply mental masturbation.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Atheist philosophers (pretty sure he is an atheist), like Rogger Trigg, teach that religions should be given a chance. Read his "A Defense of Religious Realism" You need to learn to explore other possibilities.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Given your rather narrow-minded point of view, I'd say you're the one who needs to learn to explore other possibilities.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook It seems that you think that Atheists are always right (no offense). My grandpa is an atheist, and since I was a kid, he tried to convince me that their was no God. I know how atheist think, I have taken my philosophy courses, but I still have the same conclusion, God exists, and Mormonism is true. Do I have to accept your conclusions, in order for me to become open minded?? Why did you become an atheist? Maybe I can help you as a friend.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
"help me as a friend"? what the hell are you talking about? I don't need any help.
Just tell your grandpa to keep trying... if you pay attention, you'll get it eventually.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook I have a challenge for you, try explain AB resistance or plant speciation without using Evolution.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
That does not interest me.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook "That does not interest me."
Well what a disgrace for our progression as a humanity, I though Atheists were the ones complaining that religion keeps humanity from progressing. It seems that your atheist anti-mormonism, prevents you from doing your philosophy and science.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Bullcrap. There are plenty of scientists out there who are interested in those topics. The fate of the world does not rest on whether or not I'm interested in a particular topic.
Furthermore, by "challenging" me to explain these phenomena, once again you're ignoring the fact that just because you don't understand how something works is not proof of a god. Or did you forget that already?
You use the same arguments over and over, and they really go no-where. Have fun.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook "Bullcrap" Okay, tell that to your fellow atheist, like Richard Dawkins that admire. "by "challenging" me to explain these phenomena" Actually, this last challenge, "Plant Speciation"supports Evolution LoL , nothing to do with evidence. You really should do your science and philosophy and explore other possibilities, no wonder you became an exmormon.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
You're not even making sense with that last comment. No wonder you're still stuck in the falsity of Mormonism. I'm tired of you repeating the same arguments over and over.
Goodbye and good luck.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook you said, "Bullcrap" I said, Tell that you your fellow atheists that you admire and brainwashed you. and the only thing I proved in my last comment, is that you talk when you don't know what you talk about. " A B resistance and plant speciation as "don't understand how something works"? To be cool, I tell you this in a good way, but you should do do a little research on science. Can you explain nuclear fusion? Or how magnets work?
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Think whatever you like, kid. Goodbye.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook I am no kid, I just like to play stupid with people that feel smarter, just because they are exmomo, now they think they are open and smarter, but I just proved that you are not as smart, beyond doubt (no offense)
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
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@ZelphKinderhook " I don't need any help"
Really? I don´t think so.
"A little science estranges men from God, but much science leads them back to Him."
Louis Pasteur
dorisfenella 2 months ago
An always existing -quantum field, m-theory, and nothing behind the universe are just assumptions, don't you all think? Any evidence for those assumptions? Where did the laws of physics come from?
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@AtheistDoctrines
Yes he was. I think it would be hard to find a smarter, more charismatic man to lead a church. Extremely savvy and lovable, no wonder he got so much love. I still left the church, of course! But continued to admire him in some ways.
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
Such nice statistics. And I'm sure that they're true, too.
Still doesn't mean that Mormonism is true.
If Mormonism helps some people, that's fine.
But just because something makes you feel good, doesn't mean it's true.
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook This video is not intended to prove the church, but its intended to disprove anti-mormon arguments.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Mormonism can be shown to be false without going into stats on marriage, income, etc. No "anti" worth his salt would even care about these numbers. Nor do I really ever here them brought up. Seems more like bragging, to me...
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Not really, I can refute most "anti"-mormons claims.
" even care about these numbers" This video alone disproofs a stupid documentary out there, of course they will care. The documentary claims that this church is dangerous supposedly because of "high divorce rate". This is actually more for the religious anti-mormons, but I could even handle the secular critics of the church. Just like creationist think that earth is 6,000, so do you think you can disproof this church easily.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
"I can refute most "anti"-mormons claims."
I really doubt that. The authorship of the Book of Mormon alone is enough to show that Mormonism is false, not to mention the supposed "translation" of the Book of Abraham. You don't need to be an "anti" in order to see that it's all a bunch of modern myths. But I'm not here to start an argument on that.
I've never heard of such a documentary... it must not have much "buzz" to it.
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Intellectual critics don't know who wrote the BOM, don't even how many authors it had. Book of Abraham? You need to be more specific, their are many accusations against it, science, book of breathings? what? so I can refute it? "bunch of modern myths " need to be more open minded, even I think atheist Rogger Trigg gives religion a chance "never heard of such a documentary" Ironicaly its the most popular anti-Mormon documentary, but it was made about 40 years ago. its evangelical
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Are you still railing against the Godmakers? Wow, let it go...
I know the vast majority of reasons that Mormon apologists give, but they don't really suffice. It wasn't enough to save my belief, & I was a missionary, Gospel Doctrine teacher, Elders Quorum Pres, Branch Pres & even a temple worker. I DID the trial of my faith- eventually, logic won out. There's a reason why the Mormon church grows so slowly... you don't need to be an "anti" to realize it's not true.
Peace.
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook GMarkers is a stupid documentary, that tried to scare people, telling them that the lds church is dangerous, and Mr. Ed got divorce because of the church, and started to make all this stupid accusations. Would let it go, but people like "solomanspaming" still trust it as a source
You don't need to be "anti" to no agree with my beliefs. " There's a reason why the Mormon church grows so slowly" All religions are decreasing, and atheism is increasing. " I was a missionary" me too
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
The reason why atheism is increasing is that people are realizing that religion isn't logical. Not to be mean, but it's true.
Take, for instance, Moroni's promise. On the surface, it's beautiful! Just read, ponder and pray, and god will answer your prayer. Awesome!
But then you learn about "confirmation bias" & then you realize that EVERY devout religious person also feels the spirit... after all, that's WHY they're IN their religion.
So... Moroni, sadly, fails. :(
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Why wouldn't people feel the spirit? Everyone is a child of God. Now its sad that some atheists have more faith in the m-theory, in a always existing pre-quatum field, or even time travel. Now I have a question for you. What evidence are you looking for the existence of GOD? Can you give examples, but without expecting for find magic (break of law of physics) or that only good people get healed. What evidence would you like to see for his existence??
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Any proof of god would have to be verifiable, persistant, and not subjective.
I'd love for there to be a god... but haven't seen any real proof yet.
The point about everybody feeling the spirit was that since all devout religious people feel it, it's useless for determining which church is true.
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook "Any proof of god would have to be verifiable, persistant, and not subjective" can you be more specific please, can you please mention examples? What proof would you like to find? or see? or verify? Magic? only good people getting healed? Laws of physics getting broken? " it's useless for determining which church is true" Well this church has all the truth, thats why the BOM is the key, and thats why God has me here. We go by faith, not by knowlege.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
You have a dictionary, I'm sure. So you know what those terms mean.
Why would I mention examples? Wouldn't that be up to this supposed god?
Oh, the BofM is the key? But I've just shown you how the promise of the BofM totally fails. Every devout person feels the spirit in their own churches. You're all feeling the same thing. So how can your BofM be key if you can't tell the difference? Or is your spiritual experience somehow more valid than theirs?
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook the reason why atheists ask for evidence, so they could later think of something to challenge the argument. For example, the M-theory would be an alternate explanation for the argument the the universe has a number of key properties that allow life to be possible. So my question is, what would convince you for the exitence of God? Examples please. Yes BOM is the key, we feel the holy spirit for the truth, the BOM is truth, so its an addition.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Something to challenge the argument later? Naw, we just want evidence. Got any?
Regarding the BofM, you are still missing the point. If all of the churches are feeling the holy spirit (which they are), then how are you able to claim that yours is the only completely true church?
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook If unicorn exists, I would like to find bones, fossils, ancient paintings of them, in many different civilizations, but so far nothing, historical accounts in many different ancient civilizations. Or a good video..... "we just want evidence. Got any?" What would you like to find?? examples please.
" still missing the point" I know what you are saying, but its hard for me to repond here, I will respond to you later about this, in a personal message, much more space.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
I look forward to answer as to how your church can be true when every other church feels the same thing.
Why do you need examples in order to provide evidence? Can't you just point to evidence instead?
Since no one knows the nature of god, how can one possibly give examples?
I'll make it easier for you... do you have evidence of god? If yes, then please tell me what it is. Thanks.
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Evidences= watch?v=W9feXeL-3XA
However, you won't accept them, because atheists look for alternate explanations. Why is dark matter not evidence of God's intervention? How can I demonstrate that it is? What I am trying to explain, is that its like impossible to prove the existence of God, This universe is not like a star trek episode, where you can pick behind the scenes. Instead of asking for evidence, Atheists should say that they don't believe because they don't see God.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Let's see... what's the more logical position?
For example, dark matter.... you claim that dark matter is evidence of a god's intervention.
I say, interesting theory, but you really don't have proof of that.
In a court of law, your claim would be treated as hearsay and not admissable.
So, on the one hand, you make a claim based on no evidence, while I simply say, "I don't know".
Which is more logical?
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook well facts are facts, if Dark matter is God's intervention, then it won't matter. But how am I suppose to demonstrate that it actually is? (I personally believe that everything is God's intervention, even evolution). So my point basically is, that atheists should Not say that their is no evidence for the existence of God, but they should say instead, that they don't believe because they don't see God. That's what they should say in my opinion.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
If you cannot demonstrate that it's the intervention of god, that simply means you have no proof. Theists just need to admit that they have no proof, only faith.
Whether you like the phrase or not, it's still true: there really is no evidence for god.
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook But its impossible to proof scientifically the existence of God, its harder to proof the existence of God scientifically, than multi-universes outside this universe. Yes I admit their is no scientific proof for God, but how could their be? Only in the millenium. God is not going to put his name in DNA codes, or in constellations, so I am much more happier, if atheist say that they don't believe because they don't see God, rather than saying that their is no evidence. .
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
I'm not sure what you're trying to say by your last comment, it seems a little jumbled.
Basically, there's no harm in saying that you don't have any tangible, verifiable evidence of god, because we don't have any. All there is, is faith.
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Their is no scientific proof for the existence of God, I agree with that, but its impossible to proof the existence of God scientifically. For example, the only way to prove that Dark energy is an intervention of God, is by observing God. Thats the only way to prove his existence,(that I could think) is to observe him, to see him. Asking for evidence of the existence of God, is like asking to see him.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
So you've answered your own question to me... the only proof that could be valid would be a persistant, objective, tangible observation of god. Without that, there's no proof for god's existence.
So why follow a religion when you don't even have evidence of a god... much less which church is supposedly "god's church"? You CAN be good without god.
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Their is no scientific evidence for God, I agree. But you can still be a rational person and believe in God, watch?v=W9feXeL-3XA
But I believe in God because of personal evidence. I have no reason to believe in unicorns, spaghetti monsters. But I do have many reasons to believe in a higher power.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
You might still be a rational person, but you'd still be incorrect in believing in god.
So, what are your reasons?
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook "you'd still be incorrect in believing in god." that's your opinion, you can't prove that I am incorrect for believing in GOD. Just as I can't scientifically proof that he exists. My reasons are personal evidence, spiritual experiences.
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
It's not just my opinion. Based upon tangible, verifiable evidence, you have no proof. Spiritual experience are but psychological experiences, and while the connection with "god" seems real, there's no proof that it's anything more than something that's manufactured by your own mind. So, unless you have evidence that's tangible, reproduceable, verifiable, etc... then you are incorrect to believe in a god. I'm not trying to be mean, just logical.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Real spiritual experiences cannot be demonstrated false, but cannot be proven scientifically either, otherwise, they wouldn't be personal evidence, and just like my friend said, ""We don't believe because of philosophy, we believe because of revelation. Well, the atheists reply, why ought we believe in revelation? _My_ answer is always that I'm a pretty sceptical sort, but God knew what it would take to persuade me, and I got it. Theirs is between them and God.""
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Uh, I wasn't trying to prove them false. However, you can't prove spiritual experiences DO have a connection to god, either. So it's incorrect to claim that your spiritual exp's are true. Same with "revelation"... it's all subjective, not provable. Therefore, since there's no objective evidence, you can't say you KNOW there's a god. You're correct to say you BELIEVE- but that's not the same as truly knowing- no matter how strongly you think you "know this church is true".
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook If an angel in reality appears to you, how can you prove that you were not hallucinating? I can't prove my personal evidence to the world, but its good enough for me. It convinces me, and there is objective evidence for me. It can be confirmed, if other people experience the same thing, But I can't prove it to others, otherwise it wouldn't be personal evidence. This argument is equivalent as proving the the universe is not an illusion
TheSkepticChristian 7 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
It may be objective evidence to you, but it hardly meets the real-world standard of objective evidence.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
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@TheSkepticChristian " I can't prove my personal evidence to the world, but its good enough for me. It convinces me, and there is objective evidence for me"
True.
dorisfenella 2 months ago
@nickleus1977 "mormonism is a weird cult" you are taking an outsiders approach, the minority is always going to be weird to the majority. DO your philosophy, and learn from philosophers that teach the people to give religion a chance, yes their is one atheists philosopher who teaches that.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@AtheistDoctrines Sir, I don't know were you studied at, or what your high school teacher told you, but if you didn''t know, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, is a total Unbiased credible source for information about religion and statistics. Its respected, its like claiming that National Geographic is not credible. This statistics prove that divorce rate is lower among Mormons, I am not sure on the State of Utah. You should see all the video .
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@theskepticalignoramous You might want to consider approving the comments posted on your video like the rest of you cult members so people don't offend you with the painful truth, like joseph smith was a con artist, an adulterer, and a pedophile. And a freemason satanist.
Anyway, have a wonderful life, and again, enjoy hell for spreading your blasphemy, but have a great day;)
solomanspamming 8 months ago
@solomanspamming Painful truth LOL, I could refute every single argument you make, I did it before remember? and I could do it again, Now go learn about the Theory of Evolution, because I am tired of hearing pure ignorant and boring anti-mormon arguments. Your arguments are boring, just admit it, Now try to refute my videos
watch?v=IvM8e-uluUw
Painful truth? Actually your Biased interpretations, You are just too Biased, you have no idea what atheists say about Christians.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
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Mormons were openly racist against blacks until the gov't threatened to take their tax-exempt status in 1978.
Mormon founder Joseph smith was arrested for conning people in 1826 by putting his face in his hat and pretending he could seek hidden treasure by looking at seer stones. He then 'translated' the book o'moron doing the same thing in 1827-1830.
Smith was actually secretly married to many women before he said an angel threatened him with a sword telling him to be a polygamist or die.
solomanspamming 8 months ago
1992, television news reports and stories in the Salt Lake Tribune and Mormon-owned Deseret News revealed that the LDS Church was embroiled in an ongoing internal study into satanic child abuse and ritualistic molestation involving 60 Mormon victims...The alleged rituals included human sacrifice, sexual rites, psychological abuse and child molestation. Ceremonies were reported to often occur in Church owned meeting houses and, in at least one case, inside a Mormon temple.
watchman org site
solomanspaming 8 months ago
Mormons are still racist, they tell their members not to marry outside of their race.
“We are unanimous, all of the Brethren, in feeling and recommending that Indians marry Indians, and Mexicans marry Mexicans; the Chinese marry Chinese and the Japanese marry Japanese; that the Caucasians marry the Caucasians, and the Arabs marry Arabs.” (Spencer W. Kimball, “The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball,” p. 303)
No LDS have come out saying this is no longer what they preach.
solomanspaming 8 months ago
@TheSkepticCristian Ok, for one the reason behind the ban was never made known, so you assigning it under assumption is just dishonest. Two, blacks head the priesthood before 1978, check out blackLDS(dot)org for a list of blacks who had the priesthood before and durning the so called ban. Also, try applying the context of time, compared to other churches, which demanded blacks be segregated from the congragation, the LDS church was far more liberal for the frame of time.
Dyoni1 8 months ago
Beginning in the early 1820s, Joseph Smith was paid to act as a "seer" in (mostly unsuccessful) attempts to locate lost items and find precious metals hidden in the earth.[4] Smith's procedure was to place the stone in a white stovepipe hat, put his face over the hat to block the light, and then "see" the necessary information in the stone's reflections. Remnants of the magical culture stayed with him to the end." wikipedia-joseph smith seer stone
solomanspaming 8 months ago
Joseph Smith - When asked, "Will all be damned but Mormon?" he replied, "Yes, and a great portion of them unless they repent and work righteousness" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 119).
solomanspaming 8 months ago
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Founder of Mormonism Joseph Smith was a freemason & satanist.
When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething ENERGIES OF LUCIFER ARE IN HIS HANDS, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, [Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree Freemason, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry p.48
solomanspaming 8 months ago
The percentage of "Bible-only" people , is much, much more lower than 14%
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
Yes mormons are just flat out better people. They are superior to the non-mormon in every way, they become gods after they die and start there own populations who all must inbreed on far off invisible planets.
No wonder they are such a proud white and delightsome holier than thou society. ALL HAIL THE ALMIGHTY MORMONS!
solomanspaming 8 months ago
@solomanspaming Oh, I though you were talking about the USA population, but anyways lets be FAIR, lets look at the Christian percentage (besides Catholic and Orthodox, but they are also Christian) they are 860 Million out of 6,775,235,700 people in this world. Thats about 1/7, or .14. Not even one fourth of the population. AND THATS ADDING ALL CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS, even jw. So with those two exceptions, it makes a small percentage.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian mormons are not christian, there are only inverted pentagrams on mormon temples and no crosses.Gordon Hinckley said in 1998 that mormons don't believe in the Jesus Christ of the bible but that they believe in 'another jesus'.
"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171)."With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Jof D 8:199).
solomanspaming 8 months ago
@solomanspaming LOL I could get you sources from secular anti-mormons, atheists, and even other evangelicals that say that we are Christian. Even :) the Encyclopedias, it says that we are Christian. and you misunderstood Gordon B Hinckley . AND :) less than 14% of the People, a lot less are "bible-only". So don't be Biased with your claims. and What I did in my video, I didn't say that we Mormons are superior, I only proved anti-mormon claims wrong.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
If mormons were christian, belief that Jesus is your savior would be the only thing required. Since mormons say you have to believe that a guy 'translated' plates with seer stones in his hat(witchcraft) and you have to pay tithing and do everything the mormons tell you, they should be called 'SMITHIANS' not christians. They would not put inverted pentagrams all over there temples if they were christian, And they would not claim god was racist against blacks until 1978 if they were christian.
solomanspaming 8 months ago
@solomanspaming The church was never racists LoL, some individualmembers might have been, but not the church. and again with your BORING accusations and arguments, I am tired of hearing the same thing over again, and I am tired of refuting your CLAIMS. you anti-Mormons need to find another Hobby. Go and learn about the Theory of Evolution instead, and refute Richard Dawkins claims, instead of wasting your time.
Or at least learn from this believing mormon
watch?v=s8v4RqL54PQ
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian The mormon church taught that blacks were cursed and therefore not allowed to hold the mormon priesthood until 1978. If you are denying this, you are just a liar, or a complete retard, so enjoy hell for spreading your blasphemy, and have a nice day;)
solomanspaming 8 months ago
@solomanspaming I didn't know you were that misinformed, the idea of black skin being a curse, came from Evangelicals. Yes members believed that, but it was never part of the official doctrine. and the church as no position on the issue. Me the retard?? Well lets see, come and join me at
watch?v=0MpTMCpNVqI&feature=channel_video_title
and I will have a lot of respect for you, if you refute translantic's claims about evolution, or if you disproof evolution, see you there.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian so you are just a liar. and
you should research the LDS web site familysearch org, there is a list of 24 of the 33+ women the lying, pervert, conman, adulterer joseph smith married. It started with an affair with 16 year old Fanny Alger, who the smiths ADOPTED, Then became Joe's 2nd wife. Then it lead to 11 women who were still married to their husbands, and two-14 year olds. Some say as many as 48 women total.
Go to wivesofjosephsmith org for complete details.
solomanspaming 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian you are unaware of the masons. Did you know joseph smith was a 33rd degree mason, and a satanist?
"When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy"Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree, K.T., The Lost Keys of Freemasonry p. 48.
solomanspaming 8 months ago
@solomanspaming Yes JS was a mason. Go learn about the Theory of Evolution, and educate yourself. Atheists like Dawkins, are mad, because of guys like you, who just don't think rationaly in some subjects. I am tired to refute your claims, trust me I know A LOT more than you, so stop bothering me with your anti-mormon arguments. I been hearing the same crap for too long. By the way, try to refute my arguments, check my other videos that I uploaded
watch?v=IvM8e-uluUw
watch?v=MyT4CDdx010
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
1992, television news reports and stories in the Salt Lake Tribune and Mormon-owned Deseret News revealed that the LDS Church was embroiled in an ongoing internal study into satanic child abuse and ritualistic molestation involving 60 Mormon victims...The alleged rituals included human sacrifice, sexual rites, psychological abuse and child molestation. Ceremonies were reported to often occur in Church owned meeting houses and, in at least one case, inside a Mormon temple.
watchman org site
solomanspaming 8 months ago
satanic child abuse cont:Glenn L. Pace, Second Counselor in the Presiding Bishopric sent this memo in 1992: "I don't pretend to know how prevalent the problem is. All I know is that I have met with 60 victims. Assuming each one comes from a coven of 14, we are talking about the involvement of 800 or so right here on the Wasatch Front." (Salt Lake City Messenger Nov. 1991 p. 5).in a telephone conversation, Pace's secretary later confirmed the existence of the memo.
go to watchman org for story.
solomanspaming 8 months ago
@solomanspaming
In defence of the Mormon church, these satanic activites are NOT, nor were they ever doctines of the church. Anything that happened on church property was obviously NOT with the knowledge of the church. You need to get your facts correct! I may not believe in the Mormon religion anymore and I take issue with many things they do, but this is false and just unwarranted rumor-spreading!
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@solomanspaming LIAR? BIASED? or BOTH?
I think you are BOTH!
dorisfenella 2 months ago
@solomanspaming correction, Joe's myth was a 32nd degree mason, who didn't follow the rules for increasing his degree of masonry. However, Albert Pike explains:As a man is invited to go up the degrees, he is told more and more things, until finally, about the 28th Degree, he realizes he is worshipping Lucifer, the good god. He has been mightily prepared for this revelation, so he can "look on such a brilliant influx of spiritual light without damaging his vision" Morals and Dogma , p. 496-500]
solomanspaming 8 months ago
@solomanspaming Your annoying anti-Mormonism is not invited here, Go and learn about the theory of evolution, and progress intellectually, instead of wasting your time reading your Biased trash. You can't even respond to my videos without making circular arguments
watch?v=MyT4CDdx010
watch?v=IvM8e-uluUw
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@solomanspaming Try refuting my videos, before you make your Biased interpretation arguments.
watch?v=IvM8e-uluUw
watch?v=MyT4CDdx010
Paintful truth? = Ignorant accusations that you don't even consider many things. you are jus too biased.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
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@TheSkepticChristian And most importantly, a christian would't say that all are damned except for the mormons.Joseph Smith - When asked, "Will all be damned but Mormon?" he replied, "Yes, and a great portion of them unless they repent and work righteousness" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 119).
"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199).
solomanspaming 8 months ago
Even intelligent, successful people can have irrational beliefs. Scientologists, for example.
Heck, even the Nazis had their share of doctors, scholars and scientists. This video is meaningless.
NavajoJoe66 8 months ago
A fair video would have made direct comparison to LDS and atheist statistics. Such as 5.5ish million mormons equates to 0.399% in prison. Compare this to 30ish million atheists gives 0.209% in prison. (using your sources) You made this as a response to a video titled "Atheist", yet you only compare LDS to other religions. Oh and the bogus appeals to authority in the first part of your video are pitiful. The world is filled with educated/intelligent people who have bat shit crazy ideas.
Lucky7Wolfin 8 months ago
@Lucky7Wolfin Lets make a more fair comparison then. The 0.399% mormons, I would say that 90% or more, actually don't go to church or are not committed to the church principles. So the religion would not be a major part of their life. You can't say the same thing for atheist, you can't say inactive or committed or non-committed atheist. Now lets compare the statistics of Utah (high percentage of Mormons) with Sweden(high percentage of atheists). It can be with crimes, abortion......
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian ROFL @ "commited atheist". Tell me please, what does one have to do so that they can qualify as an inactive, committed or non-committed atheist. A fair comparison was made. It followed the same rules as the comparisons you made using the over all population of a country and the groups within. Now you want to change the rules in at least three ways. Also, it's strange how you omitted to point out the under representation of atheists, in relation to mormons, in this video.
Lucky7Wolfin 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian ROFL @ "commited atheist". Tell me please, what does one have to do so that they can qualify as an inactive, committed or non-committed atheist If you are applying your 90% too mormonism you have to apply it to all the religions in your video, You can not suddenly put a condition on a figure without applying it to all the figures you compare with. Unless you want to claim that every single member of every religion you mention is "committed to (his/her) church principals".
Lucky7Wolfin 8 months ago
@Lucky7Wolfin okay , lets say that about 10 percent (Maximum) of the 0.339% prisoners were committed to the church.
Yes I can apply that 90% to all religions, but it would be the same thing. But 90% cannot be applied to atheists, because their is no such thing as committed atheists, atheism is not a religion, its not even a belief.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Sorry for the repeated part in my reply. I seem to have lost the ability to use the copy/paste fuction.Your argument that mormons, in general, are more law abiding is not in dispute. I wouldn't even need you to produce figures for me to agree with you. However, why not compare to atheists using the same rules? As I pointed out you are replying to a video titled Atheist. And I'm glad you realise there is no such thing as an inactive, committed or non-committed atheist.
Lucky7Wolfin 8 months ago
@Lucky7Wolfin First of all, you said I appeal to authority? how? if I am not attempting to prove anything in this video, I am just showing the statistics according to this sources. But like I said, that compare would be a little unfair, because what about the Mormons that do not go to church, they are simply label as Mormon, but nothing more. I am pretty sure, that most of them in prison, are Mormons that are just label them selfs as Mormon, but nothing more.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Well I think you are trying to prove something. Mormons are not "weird". Something you did when using comparisons to normal everyday, secular issues. However, I could probably do the same thing with the Westboro Baptists. Shirley Phelps Roper is actually a very good lawyer. But, I'm sure you would agree, her religious views could be described as some what out of the ordinary. Or weird? Shame about these small comments boxes. Not a great place to hold discussions. :(
Lucky7Wolfin 8 months ago
@Lucky7Wolfin I should probably also mention the purpose of this video, is to imitate the other video called "Atheist" here in YOUTUBE, its a response, but not to suggest that we are better, but that we can be good as well, in education, and other things. In fact I am not saying that we are better than anyone.
TheSkepticChristian 8 months ago
I have heard the same bigoted arguments against Jews. The Lord's promised people will always be slurred, labeled, and attacked.
BornAgainstMormons 8 months ago