Won't say it's perfect (wake gatame & sumi otoshi are slightly off), but it is still quite good. Don't agree you have to meet at the middle, it makes it too static and robotic. I find this dynamic approach more appealing. I'll try that tomorrow.
Im not trying to offend with anything here by the way im just trying to be constuctive. After all we all want to better our aikido dont we? Hell i know i do. None of us are perfect and never will be thats why we keep going. Striving for the perfection we will never achive. All im saying is i personly feel it needs work and if that performance was pesented at a gradeing id have doubts about it makeing the grade. Good luck with your aikido in the future.
I'd have to disagree and i dont care what the BAA might say. Watch Tomiki do it. The meeting is an important part of getting the distance right. Something that is lacking here. Randori no kata is meant to be basic 17 Basic. Commited is for free play and kata should not be confused with free play or real. Its about two people working together to show all the eliments.
Thats the way i see it.Its BASIC and defined. 4m apart,meet,avoid,break,balance,show control ect.I dont see that here.What i see is uke giveing a full on attack which is fine in randori but this is Kata not randori and the two shouldnt be confused.If you ever train with Shishida, Nariyama,Uno,Yamada,Loi Lee they are peticular about this meeting point. I its a lack of understanding by people that rather than seek answers adapt things to what they feel it more realistic and miss the point.........
I honestly couldnt say why tomiki specified 4m maybe its just a nice distance its two whole mats. There might be a specific reason but if so im unsure. But i do know that tomiki and all other high ranking akidoka are very peticular on this. But in this film you can see they start 4m but only uke comes in. Tori practicly stays put. There is no middle meeting point. No display of Tegatana distance. You would need to speak to a wiser man than me to answer why specificly 4m
the club i'm in meet hand blade to hand blade and then take a step backwards, and then meet in the middle,when uke moves tori moves,,it works and looks a lot better than uke running or bouncing across the mats to tori(which I think looks very silly). If that performance was produced in the club i'm in, it would NOT have made the grade.
I dont think its really about sitting here and saying my club does this or that. If we watch Tomiki and Oba and later high grade aikidoka that studied under them they all say the same. Im not about to argue with Tomiki and it would be a very ballsey thing for anyone to do. If you re going to argue with the founders way then you need to have eally good reason backed with great explanation. If you watch Oba Uke for Tomiki he dosent come in with a attack like here. He keeps basic basic.
just becus its not the way you want it to be, doesnt mean it is wrong, the club at which these people train focuses on making it work well, not on making it look good, the way you do it is all well and good but this is just different, but still good too. the reason uke is running at tori is because the uke is the attacker and tori is the defender, this is no kata so it is more dynamic than kata which is started in static.
i apologize for what i said before. we should agree to disagree :)
no need to apologize,,but accepted. i accept thats they way they do it,,but i think that tori should move earlier to take uke's momentum and energy. you comment would be welcomed. Colm
Uke gives a commited attack. Tori MUST avoid or get smacked. He can use the energy for balance breaking and apply the technique. What's wrong with that? We don't meet in the middle, that's just a different way. This way of doing those katas is approved by the head of the BAA. Doing it dynamically, teaches you the techniques and the right timing at the same time, and prepare you for freeplay. Now, it's all down to personal preferences. I don't say it's better, that's just how I do it.
No offence to those performing this but that was pretty ropey especialy for the grades performing the kata. Not enough avoidence and lack of harmony. Its kata you are meant to be working together to show a demonstration of sound princeble not running at the guy like a bull. What happened to the meeting in the middle hand blade to hand blade? Tori didnt even move. Slow it down work on the timeing. Its going to need some work if tori is going to pass his dan grade.
Thats because your kind as in play Aikido.
Set Positions. I think they are doing great as in Aikijitsu
killking123 2 years ago
No Kata my ass!
MPA2000 2 years ago
Mr Courtin, you are the man, remind me never to break my mouse. flash
flashybike1 4 years ago
best Randori no kata ever!
u desrv ur black christophe!
luv ya!
oscar.
chopsuey123456 4 years ago
bollocks,,why do they start so far apart,,why is uke running at his tori,,its bollocks
colmtrim 3 years ago
Won't say it's perfect (wake gatame & sumi otoshi are slightly off), but it is still quite good. Don't agree you have to meet at the middle, it makes it too static and robotic. I find this dynamic approach more appealing. I'll try that tomorrow.
MrUeshiba 4 years ago
That is a pretty red dojo. Nice looking.
ChuShinTani 4 years ago
Im not trying to offend with anything here by the way im just trying to be constuctive. After all we all want to better our aikido dont we? Hell i know i do. None of us are perfect and never will be thats why we keep going. Striving for the perfection we will never achive. All im saying is i personly feel it needs work and if that performance was pesented at a gradeing id have doubts about it makeing the grade. Good luck with your aikido in the future.
tenshinage77 4 years ago
I'd have to disagree and i dont care what the BAA might say. Watch Tomiki do it. The meeting is an important part of getting the distance right. Something that is lacking here. Randori no kata is meant to be basic 17 Basic. Commited is for free play and kata should not be confused with free play or real. Its about two people working together to show all the eliments.
tenshinage77 4 years ago
i agree,,,tori is standing instead of meeting and taking balance,,,bad kata,,, dont understand why uke is running at him,,,
colmtrim 3 years ago
Thats the way i see it.Its BASIC and defined. 4m apart,meet,avoid,break,balance,show control ect.I dont see that here.What i see is uke giveing a full on attack which is fine in randori but this is Kata not randori and the two shouldnt be confused.If you ever train with Shishida, Nariyama,Uno,Yamada,Loi Lee they are peticular about this meeting point. I its a lack of understanding by people that rather than seek answers adapt things to what they feel it more realistic and miss the point.........
tenshinage77 3 years ago
ca u please tell me why they are starting 4mts apart??
colmtrim 3 years ago
I honestly couldnt say why tomiki specified 4m maybe its just a nice distance its two whole mats. There might be a specific reason but if so im unsure. But i do know that tomiki and all other high ranking akidoka are very peticular on this. But in this film you can see they start 4m but only uke comes in. Tori practicly stays put. There is no middle meeting point. No display of Tegatana distance. You would need to speak to a wiser man than me to answer why specificly 4m
tenshinage77 3 years ago
the club i'm in meet hand blade to hand blade and then take a step backwards, and then meet in the middle,when uke moves tori moves,,it works and looks a lot better than uke running or bouncing across the mats to tori(which I think looks very silly). If that performance was produced in the club i'm in, it would NOT have made the grade.
colmtrim 3 years ago
I dont think its really about sitting here and saying my club does this or that. If we watch Tomiki and Oba and later high grade aikidoka that studied under them they all say the same. Im not about to argue with Tomiki and it would be a very ballsey thing for anyone to do. If you re going to argue with the founders way then you need to have eally good reason backed with great explanation. If you watch Oba Uke for Tomiki he dosent come in with a attack like here. He keeps basic basic.
tenshinage77 3 years ago
just becus its not the way you want it to be, doesnt mean it is wrong, the club at which these people train focuses on making it work well, not on making it look good, the way you do it is all well and good but this is just different, but still good too. the reason uke is running at tori is because the uke is the attacker and tori is the defender, this is no kata so it is more dynamic than kata which is started in static.
i apologize for what i said before. we should agree to disagree :)
chopsuey123456 2 years ago
no need to apologize,,but accepted. i accept thats they way they do it,,but i think that tori should move earlier to take uke's momentum and energy. you comment would be welcomed. Colm
colmtrim 2 years ago
Uke gives a commited attack. Tori MUST avoid or get smacked. He can use the energy for balance breaking and apply the technique. What's wrong with that? We don't meet in the middle, that's just a different way. This way of doing those katas is approved by the head of the BAA. Doing it dynamically, teaches you the techniques and the right timing at the same time, and prepare you for freeplay. Now, it's all down to personal preferences. I don't say it's better, that's just how I do it.
courtin 4 years ago
u dont need uke to run at u for him to give a committed attack,,why are u standing so far apart,,,looks REALLY BAD
colmtrim 3 years ago
No offence to those performing this but that was pretty ropey especialy for the grades performing the kata. Not enough avoidence and lack of harmony. Its kata you are meant to be working together to show a demonstration of sound princeble not running at the guy like a bull. What happened to the meeting in the middle hand blade to hand blade? Tori didnt even move. Slow it down work on the timeing. Its going to need some work if tori is going to pass his dan grade.
tenshinage77 4 years ago
:( I wish there was a shodokan dojo in Canada
MetalCrusade 4 years ago
Still some great aikidoka up your way though? what part of Canada are you in?
nolispe 4 years ago