Glen Beck & Alex Jones, Why fight each other? Compare Notes Instead!

[ultimus1998]

@leeuniverse You're right the facts are really simple I just encourage people to read and research for themselves. Check out THE NIST reports. Check out Hardfire with ryan mackey, 911 debunking. Also check out Loose change final cut, zero an investigation into 911, 911 explosive evidence experts speak out, 911 theories experts vs experts, 911 experiments eliminate the impossible to name a few and decide for yourself. leeuniverse feel free to have the last word

[ultimus1998]

One reason is because Alex Jones is a 911 Truther. Also Beck can't stray too far outside the lines of Rupert Murdoch. He's still controlled. The advantage Alex has is that he works for himself and therefor is controlled by no one else.

[leeuniverse]

It's because Alex Jones & 9/11 Truthers ARE nut jobs. It's not that Alex Jones doesn't say some good stuff, it's that he says a lot of false stuff, conspiracy theory's that have no actual basis in fact. They are no different than anti-mormon malarkey using a little truth to tell great lies. All the towers came down exactly how they were supposed to in the situation. There were no secret explosives, no missiles, or any other malarkey. Every professional non-biased person in the U.S. agrees.

[ultimus1998]

@leeuniverse It saddens me that you think 911 Truthers are nut jobs. Does asking questions about anything make you crazy or can I only ever except what the government gives me??? I guess building 7 will also be the only modern steel framed high rise building to fall due to fire as well. I just hope you're doing your research . Loose Change, Zero: An investigation into 911, 911 explosive evidence experts speak out, etc. they give you a lot of places to start looking. Don't just watch, RESEARCH

[leeuniverse]

@ultimus1998 I appreciate your view, but I'm an expert on those who distort the truth, both anti-mormons and liberals, and similar people through history. I've looked at the so-called evidences of building 7 etc., and more importantly I've watched the history, how the conspiracy nuts narrative changed over time. When they couldn't pin their theory's on the towers, they moved to building 7. But even that narrative is entirely debunkable.

[leeuniverse]

@ultimus1998 Same with JFK's assasination. Computer modeling has now entirely proved unequivocally that there was one shot one bullet, that the behaviors in the video, occurred EXACTLY how they should have with one shot one bullet. Yet, you still have people like you, amateurs who find someone with some contrary "testimony" etc. & refuse to believe the plain facts. Bottom line, ACTUAL experts who actually have been involved with B7 have shown things happened exactly like they should have.

[ultimus1998]

@leeuniverse I think it's funny you call me an aameteur and you have no idea who I am or any of my credentials but I appreciate the "ad hominem". Also you cite that EXPERTS already proved building 7 debunkable. I guess architects and engineers for 911 truth are just a bunch of retards regardless of THEIR CREDENTIALS. I could go on and on for the inconsistencies of 9/11 but why when so many people already have. If anyone refuses to examine I can't help them, but the evidence proves different...

[leeuniverse]

@ultimus1998 The experts who have actually themselves in proper scientific controls etc. have entirely debunked the conspiracy nuts. A bunch of "armchair" scientists and amatures simply do not have the claim to truth. Take the good ol Dr. Jones nut of Utah. He ALWAYS claimed it was demolition, without a single shred of evidence of it, and then when someone sent him some evidence, without proper controls, study, etc., and then made false claims from it, he was fired.... well "retired"....

[ultimus1998]

 Also I think it's funny you say you're an expert those who distort the truth both anti-mormons and liberals. What do you do when someone is in neither of those categories and is just a free thinker. I'm an independent and I don't believe in those terms so strictly, I believe the news media put those out there to make people believe that they have to be one of them. I'm also a Christian (non-denominational). I'm not here to disagree on any of those points anyway...

[leeuniverse]

@ultimus1998 I don't care if you think you're a free thinker or not..... Those who believe in 9/11 conspiracy are so free in their thinking that their brains fall out. My point of pointing out those groups is because I'm an expert on those who use a "little" truth to lie.... This is what 9/11 conspiracy nuts do. You all use a little truth and fact, to then misrepresent the truth and facts, thus making entirely false conclusions. In other words, you create a strawman, that you then tear down.

[ultimus1998]

@leeuniverse What do you mean the conspiracy nuts narrative changed over time??? It has always been controlled demolition. Everyone who is using basic science has said that the stories we have recieved make no sense and I totally agree. Building 7 just made it ridiculously obvious to anyone paying attention. Also as far as the JFK think, I haven't done nearly as much research as I have on 911 but there are plenty of inconsistencies there also...

[leeuniverse]

@ultimus1998 They changed over time because your focus was on the towers themselves at first...... and then when you couldn't get any traction with them, you switched to the harder problem of building 7. I've been watching you people from the beginning. And as to JFK..... You clearly show your lack of intellect. Computer modeling has already proven the conspiracy's theory's false. Your "inconsistency's" are fantasy's of your own minds, not actual facts.

[ultimus1998]

@leeuniverse For example with the JFK assassination their were inconsistencies who the warren commission actually was. The time it took to get off all 3 shots with that crappy rifle. The secret service falling back from the car when it made the turn. A lot of people disappearing or committing "suicide". You speak of computer models forgetting that modifying the input data can lead to different results. Just like with NIST if you don't know what data they use the results are questionable.

[leeuniverse]

@ultimus1998 Further as to JFK..... again, you ignore facts to make your judgment. The computer modeling is 100% accurate because there is VIDEO of the dang incident..... people aren't forgetting to input data etc., the data is already there in full. See, a perfect example of what you guys do.... When facts don't agree with your conspiracy, you ignore facts and make up things such as "missing data", to then try and justify your made up conclusions.

[ultimus1998]

@leeuniverse I think it's funny you attack me on a JFK video I haven's seen. I admitted that I have done not nearly enough research in that topic. I have not seen the computer video, I meant that in a reflection in the NIST modeling of the towers collapse. But I guess since I admitted that I'm not up on that issue an admit that, I'm terrible and am crazy. I jst said I know they're inconsistencies. All you do is provide baseless attacks assuming that I have don no research and that I'm crazy...

[leeuniverse]

@ultimus1998 That's just the thing, there are no "inconsistency's". There are only inconsistency's because the people you are in love with are IGNORING important facts. Important facts you would know if you actually did study both sides. The towers, building 7, all fell and reacted EXACTLY how they should have given ALL the facts. It's all easy to see.... And the fact that you guys changed the goal posts from the towers being fallen by explosives to now only building 7, proves all.

[ultimus1998]

You also claim that experts have actually debunked the theory's of us nuts... Again I point to (let me put it in bold) THE ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS FOR 911 TRUTH. What are they a bunch of retards??? I mean after all they are in the field. Are they ALL nuts as well??? I find it funny that if you say I believe in the inconsistencies of something than I'm wrong. I mean I guess there's no way at all you could be wrong... Also I actually have looked at both sides myself and believe the opposite...

[leeuniverse]

@ultimus1998 I wouldn't call them retards, just not objective. They were not the architects & engineers who have actually studied the site itself. Not architects and engineers who under controlled study have studied all the VIDEO, & also the site itself. Etc.  What your saying is like saying that simply because someone is "religious" that they are somehow an expert on Mormonism. These people have nothing to do with 9/11, yet their testimony is "more true" than those actually involved? tisk

[ultimus1998]

But it's okay I expect you will call me "nuts" again. You will ignore any historical proof that the potential even exists for the government to be involved or to let it happen for a certain agenda. It's okay..., I expect that. It's funny it seems that I don't have to spew insults just pointing out factual information. One of which is that no modern skyscraper has fallen to fire other building 7 in history that I can find...

[leeuniverse]

@ultimus1998 Why don't you go are read the Wikipedia article for 7 World Trade Center, specifically the 9/11 section. It makes absolutely clear that your reality is not reality at all. Fire Fighters were dealing with that building for some time before it fell, and explosives weren't involved at all. If there were, they would have known about it. There was damage and major fires. The building fell exactly how it should have. There is no conspiracy there.

[ultimus1998]

But it's okay as I suspect you will call anyone who disagrees with an official story and agree with a different persons (or group of people) scientific approach than they are crazy. Nothing like "ad hominem" It unfortunately doesn't work if your audience knows what you're doing and they do any sort of research and since we apparently both have (even though you claim I haven't without proof) I'll just let the world decide.

[leeuniverse]

@ultimus1998 The facts are really simple. You can complain about me using the word "nuts" all you want, but that doesn't change the actual facts. WTC7 was dealt with for a near ENTIRE DAY. there was damage, there were major fires, lack of water pressure & manual quadrant sprinkler systems. Explosives, thermite nor anything else had anything to do with WTC7. If it had, then those dealing with the building again FOR AN ENTIRE DAY would have known about it, and the signs would have been there.

[ultimus1998]

@leeuniverse Why get rid of all the evidence so fast??? Lastly another independent investigation could have put all of this to rest years ago. Why is government so resistant if there is nothing to hide??? The government wastes plenty of money on things with far less significance after all...

[leeuniverse]

@ultimus1998 Read the article.... There were a few investigations.....

[ultimus1998]

The way his head reacted etc. Again like I said though I'm not nearly as sure of that as I am with 911. I have done minimal research into the JFK assassination. I have done extensive research into 911. As far as Barry Soetoro's birth certificate goes I haven't even looked into it because it would take a consorted effort by the American citizens as a whole to really force the issue and I don't see Americans doing that.

[ultimus1998]

I find most people saying this could not be true because of their belief system. Trying to say all 911 truthers are crazy is just an "ad hominem" attack so (hopefully for them) you won't hear their argument. Look at history like Operation Northwoods etc. Also use science people and investigate this for yourself but I promise the evidence is quite contrary to what we were told and there is plenty of science out there to back it up, as well as plenty of people trying to get the truth out.

[leeuniverse]

@ultimus1998 That's what you believe, but it's not the truth. I've looked at both sides, and found the arguments for 9/11 conspiracy severely lacking. There are key points in which the conspiracy nuts severely fail, making clear their arguments are false. Let me put it back on you..... I bet YOU haven't even read the actual science reports and anti-9/11 conspiracy sites? You've just read the conspiracy sites, and because they "sound" truthful and scientific, that becomes truth to you.

[leeuniverse]

@ultimus1998 Let me give another example. Obama's Birth Certificate is an interesting "question". There are valid questions there.  However, it's simply not provable one way or the other because there is contradictory evidence. What the REAL issue that should have been promoted, which IS provable and has been completely ignored, is that Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen. He was not born to TWO "citizens" (which is what natural born citizen means) as required by the constitution.

[izlude2]

Glen is caught in a crossroads. He was originally intended to be a strawman to discredit Alex Jones. Apparently he grew conscience (almost)... He's still fighting that devil on his left shoulder whether he should twist the truth (as he's doing now) or expose the evil agendas of the NWO (which he sometimes does). We can't call him a good guy yet, until he abandons Fox and opens a private broadcast and starts covering real world issues without twisting it all up.

WAKE UP GLEN BECK!!!

[wulfshelmut]

I believe 9/11 was inside job. I have thought about it, thought about stuff I have read over the years and there is plenty of ways they could have pulled it off. I doubt it was all just bush as the libtards say it is. Bush, Obama, Rumsfeld, Cheney are all just pawns. Game pieces. They would not know a thing about an operation like 9/11.

[leeuniverse]

Justin, 9/11 Truthers to me are like anti-mormons. They take a little truth, and create these huge lies, ignoring important "obvious" common sense facts to create their science and their conspiracy theory's. Even the BYU professor who supposedly found bomb residue completely manufactured it, thus was forced to resign from the college. He had the claim already, then manufactured the evidence, having no evidence chain to back himself up.

[leeuniverse]

I would agree that Alex Jones has a lot of good info, and is on the "right" more than he is on the "left" (truth wise), but Glenn is absolutely right. Alex Jones is a plain nut on some issues, a 9/11 truther being one of them. Let me give you an example, I don't usually like Michael Savage, nor some of the things he says and the way's he says them. But, he's almost always "right" in what he says, especially the big stuff. 9/11 Truthers are HUGE off in neverland over a major issue.

[signalcorp4]

Nothing can be gained by accusing the US govt. of having any involvement in 9-11.

Folks like Medina have seen this first hand.

You will go no where, by shooting yourself in the foot.

Theres too much on the table right now trying to stave off the B. O. administrations attempts at destroying our nation from the top down.

People should concentrate on the biggest threat to us all today.

[omiolo2]

Glenn "Obama" Beck??

doesn't sound like truth to me!

[awolLDSasap]

@omiolo2 Nobody can dis your chalkboard boy.

[RESTOREDAPOLOGETICS]

It's too bad that each of them don't get together & take a look at the valid information or intel that each group has. Alex Jones' End Game; Obama Deception; Fall of the Republic are excellent documentaries. But so are some of the insights that Beck comes up with at times. Are they both right all the time, or wrong most of the time? I don't think so. Each one adds parts to the whole puzzle & puts it into place in the much bigger picture of globalists' attempts & progress towards "World Order!"

[wulfshelmut]

@RESTOREDAPOLOGETICS This has to be the best post on youtube I have ever seen. I say the same thing often. Yet we are all "crazy'. lol

[myeyepie]

I think Glenn and Alex have honest disagreements. People arent carbon copies of each other. They just wont all agree on all subjects. What unnerves me about the AJ crowd is that if you only agree 95% with them then you are controlled opposition and should be strung up and hung for treason... What the heck? Then Glenn has an irrational dislike for Truthers because he received many death threats and possibly attempts back during the repub primaries. So he throws out the baby with the bath water

[StefanAxelWels]

Be friends with Glen is to wish dashed hopes.

Various berries growing on the same bush today.

[syncro16se]

Yes you're right tjfgermany58123 !

[tjfgermany58123]

One difference. Beck hides the truth and shames you for questioning the Federal Government. Jones questions the Federal Government and is not afraid of being called unpatriotic. When Jones digs up stink on American politics at least it can be used for furtilizer to grow a better country.