the believe machine

[UnderManiac]

This video looks like it was shot with a really bad cell phone camera, maybe one of the first cell phone cameras. The pixels are awful, It's too jumpy. This was not filmed by a traditional movie type camera, such as a film camera or any magnetic based tape camera. Also, there is no such thing as a permanent magnet motor. It would never work.

[acrophobia123]

@UnderManiac thinking like that will get you no where. How do you know the people who wrote those laws and rules weren't incorrect?

[rullatorn]

Va fan, man ser ju inget?:P

[cyborgtroy]

Pics or it didn't happen.

[mrlowdangle]

lol i fricken bet your interested in funding, funding your crack habit

proof or your on crack!

[BadIdeas101]

sure you have...and I invented the sub sandwich...

[GenevaSuspension]

I smell a con.

[ozzieboy007]

Can't really see it that clearly, but the music is really cool!

[planmix]

I don't know about the machine,

but the music is very good. Bravo!

[Joeviocoe]

Well I agree with most of what you said.

Physicist are afraid of being laughed at but only because they go by the rule of extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Very few folks in history have been SO MUCH smarter that everyone else during their time. And thats what you need for "scientific" breakthroughs. If it was as easy as tinkering in the garage to find revolutionary science, it would be done annually.

I am NOT talking about technological innovations that use existing science.

[Joeviocoe]

Yes wybo, bad spelling aside, you are correct.

Some people (who still believe in Astrology and the like) believe that magnets are a "source" of energy. Some people are smart enough to know that magnets don't do any work.

The truth is in between but closer to the latter.

There IS energy in the magnet. Permanent magnets have a lot. Normally the magnet just recycles its own energy through lines of flux.

If you take that energy to do work, it will wear out the magnet, simple!

[Joeviocoe]

That is why you can see a short youtube video about perpetual motion for a few minutes and NOT realize that the device has the initial input of kinetic energy to get it started and also may draw on permanent magnets to do a bit of work.

Maglev trains can and do work. But if you use permanent magnets it will drain the energy from the magnets QUICKLY... that is why they use electromagnets!

[freeenergyevolution]

Physicists have to eat just like everybody else. No doubt they became physicists to discover new innovations however if they stray to far from the popular view point of their peers they will not be taken seriously and therefore will find themselves without a career. The mainstream IS slowly but surely becoming more open minded but I got to say, there are some pretty obvious solutions out there to our energy problems which are not put into use.

[freeenergyevolution]

Like how about using waterfalls to generate electricity which in turn is used to decompose water into hydrogen and oxygen which when burned convert back to water vapor? Tesla came up with that idea like what, a hundred years ago? Oh and about maglev trains, I built a simple flywheel out of a lawnmower wheel and perminate magnets. It lays on its side floating on the flux of the facing like poles rotating around a rod centering it. The idea is to reduce friction and add mass as much as possible

[freeenergyevolution]

I have a wind chime through the center of the wheel which slides over the rod. Between the rod and the wind chime is a piece of a pen casing which acts as a bearing. I put my hands on either side of the wind chime and move them in opposite directions over and over to build up a lot of speed. At the highest speed I can get it to go if I stop It'll go on its own for one minute. That's not surprising to you I'm sure but it has been floating on its flux field for 2 years and not getting any lower.

[freeenergyevolution]

I always store it floating. A permanent magnet's field is the result of having all its atoms oriented in the same direction which creates a net effect. The only ways to diminish its field is to scatter those atoms. Banging the magnets against something would do that as would heating them up. Having like poles facing each other under load will not. They run down eventually but you get so much back before then that you can just recharge them. They are energy storage devices. Really good ones.

[Joeviocoe]

"They are energy storage devices. Really good ones."

Precisely!

But we know how much energy can be stored electromagnetically. (BTW Capacitors also do it). Batteries store it chemically. And does a better job because they can hold much more energy per unit volume and weight.

[freeenergyevolution]

Free energy doesn't mean energy from nothing; it refers to tapping an outside source of energy at little or no operating cost. Conservation of energy implies that energy is reusable. Energy and work are 2 different things. Energy is a potential, an ordering. Work is the scattering of energy, (think of dominoes set up in a row). We should be able to build a system that recovers and makes use of spent energy since it can't be destroyed.

[Joeviocoe]

Dammit... stop saying things that I agree with... it makes for a boring argument!

Many people, however, don't understand the definition of free energy as you describe it. I always avoid phrases like "free" just because it confuses people.

"Over-Unity" is a phrase that people use to say that they get more than 100% efficiency.

If you get energy for free, you MUST explain where you got it from. Like the sun, geothermal, etc. If you claim zero-point, you better have VERY detailed proof.

[freeenergyevolution]

Sorry dude, didn't mean to agree with you. I'll try to be more confrontational from now on ;) I was under the impression that you thought the whole alternative energy thing was crap so I was sharing what I've learned from documentaries like, "free energy: the race to zero point" and other research I've done looking into things like "cold electricity", "phase shift technology", "earth batteries", and "scalar potential" to name a few. Since your into this too, can you recommend any good sites?

[Joeviocoe]

I AM into all kinds of Alternative energy but I am a skeptic first. Why? Because you can focus more on real technology if you discard the crap.

Our real inexhaustible source of energy right now is the sun. (and nuclear fusion here on earth).

Zero-point energy is a poor source to meet energy demands because the quanta can't exist below the zero-point barrier. If you extract the remaining energy, the particle must vanish. Not bad but there is very little energy in the vacuum to begin with.

[Joeviocoe]

Just because zpe is abundant, doesn't mean it is enough to power our lifestyle. The sun is more abundant but we need to tap it more.

Earth batteries are cool. We have been using those to power US civil war time telegraph lines.

Cold electricity is interesting, kinda like ball lightning and its ability to go through objects without damage.

Scalar potential and Phase Shift in my studies are not a source of alternative energy. They are mathematical and analytical terms.

[InB4Desu]

The problem is, you'd have to have a 100% vacuum and utilize some sort of sci-fi frictionless material. More importantly, it wouldn't accomplish anything. If we assume you've destroyed the laws of physics and accomplished the first two points, you could generate perpetual motion but it would have no use. If you tried to harvest energy from the system, you'd still drain the system and stop the motion. It would, at best, be a fun thing to watch working.

[freeenergyevolution]

I'm not talking about trapping energy in a closed system and then trying to draw work from it. I'm talking about creating an open system which taps into an alternative energy source at little or no operating cost like a windmill, waterwheel or solar cell. The difference is that I question the mainstream's position that things like permanent magnets, gravity, or water can't be used to obtain greater than net zero work.

[freeenergyevolution]

One last thing and I'll shut up for now. Conservative forces are only partially understood. Physics looks at them as separate entities. What we need to do is think of innovative systems which play them off of each other in ways as yet unexplored. After all, everything IS interconnected. The only truly isolated system is the universe itself in which everything is in a perpetual state of motion. Even as you sit in your chair you move around the center of the earth, the sun, the galaxy.............

[Joeviocoe]

I agree here too... but you must realize that although we understand only some things. We know what we understand. And we don't know what we don't understand.

Not trying to confuse you. Basically, we KNOW that energy CANNOT be created nor destroyed. Thus conserved. We cannot say that just because we don't know everything that what we do say we know is less valid.

[wybo2]

a small detail

u know how "permanent" magnits are made?

u need do brush a "hard steel or ferromat" or hold it close to an elecrolitic magnit

after a while your "permanent magnet" will run down too, maby after 10 years, maby 300years, depends on how mutch magitism u putted in to

But ur never going to get more energy out of this thing than u putted in ito ur "permanent" magnit

[Keovar]

Do you know how the word "you" is made? You need to put the letters Y and O before the U.

Seriously, it's only a three letter word. If you can't manage to pass remedial English, why should we believe you can handle physics?

[wybo2]

Youtube only allows me to say 500 letters, so if i can spare 2, i will

I learnd all this stuff in electricetyclass, magintics are basics to explane altornators and motors.

So rather think of me as flemmish in construction thats trying to explane sum stuff in an other language, dont be that hard.

[Keovar]

I just pasted your message into the reply box, and you had 120 characters to spare. It's just lazy typing, that's all.

I was an electrician in the USAF, so I'm no stranger to the subject matter. For what it's worth, I agree in general terms - no energy is truly free or unlimited.

Magnets will eventually lose strenth too, or at the least, the alignments of their poles will shift as they affect each other during movement.

[zeophoto]

He thought U were advanced enough, smart enough to be beyond that concern amongst those interested in these technologies.

[Keovar]

You're joking, right?

Beyond that concern...

Sure, because the most intelligent people write in netspeak gibberish, especially in research articles.

[K0CBS]

You need to proofread your comments as well. You misspelled "Magnet" twice, along with other words.

[gfcgamer]

Perpetumm mobile, doesnt matter as long it last more than 100 years.

Anyway the eletrons is slowing down around the nucleos only on some scientists imagination, isnt?

[InsanityClaus]

The machine probably won't run forever - but it is unknown how long it will run, because they haven't figured out how it works. Perhaps the magents will become weaker over time. An engine that runs continuously for weeks is a great thing. No pollution nor threat of explosion/combustion like an oil feuled engine.

[jessefofesse123]

whoever says this machine will run forever is a moron. the magnets might keep it going for a little while but it wont run forever. damn some people are ignorant.

[gfcgamer]

dont worry, I call you when the eletrons stop to orbit around the nucleous.

[jessefofesse123]

ur an idiot

[01matthewsb]

i'm a physist and there is no such thing as free energy energy is converted only no energy can be made or destroyed. i dont know where this machine is getting its "energy" from but it is not made

[dumalucky]

I think you hit the nail on the head!!! 'YOU DONT KNOW WHERE THIS MACHINE IS GETTING ITS ENERGY FROM' this is the problem! I regard these devices that do work!! as Virtual overunity.. in the sence that! in a practical sence.. they are true overunity devices...but that in fact they are drawing energy from someplace?? in a way not understood.. This complies with current theory and at the same time allows such devices to be accepted as genuine

[freeenergyevolution]

"energy is CONVERTED only no energy can be made or DESTROYED. i dont know where this machine is getting its "energy" from but it is not made" I agree with you that energy cannot be made but what you well meaning physicists seem to keep forgetting is that it cannot be destroyed either! It has exist in some form, somewhere, always and forever because that is the nature of what energy is!

[01matthewsb]

i agree with you there is so much we dont know, or so much that we do know thats wrong. for example a famous scientist once said if the fact dosent fit the theory change the theory. but if energy cannot be created or destroyed (Theory) where did it come from in the first place? its here so it must have been created initially. THE BIG BANG maby but where did that come from its something that will start wars but we will never know :)

[freeenergyevolution]

It's interesting that you mention the big bang theory. I'm a grad student majoring in secondary education mathematics so I tend to look at these sorts of things from a mathematical/logical rather than a main stream physics point of view. Based purely on my math/logic "instinct", I tend to "believe" that there is no beginning or end to existence. I think that we think that there has to be a beginning because we tend to see ourselves as separate from the universe rather than as one with it.

[freeenergyevolution]

When a "free energy" inventor is using the term "free energy" he or she is not speaking of energy from nothing. I agree that you can't trap energy in a closed system and forever draw work from it. When we say "free energy" what we are talking about is an open system that taps into an outside source of energy at little or no operating cost. A windmill would be an example as would a waterwheel or a photo-voltaic cell.

[freeenergyevolution]

All of these put out more than YOU as the operator are paying for...I mean, do you deny that if you install photo-voltaic panels on the roof of your house that you will use significantly less power from the grid and that therefore they will pay for themselves over time eliminating the initial, one time cost? Now I know what your going to say.

[freeenergyevolution]

Your going to say that permanent magnets cannot be used in this way because magnetism is a conservative force doing net zero work. POPPYCOCK!!!

[freeenergyevolution]

I can't prove it yet but it is my opinion that conservative forces are not yet fully understood and that the reason they are not fully understood is because most "physicists" never look past their textbook for answers. I know that I don't have all the answers and that is why I continue to progress in my understanding of the world around me. The height of arrogance is the belief that we have nothing left to learn in a given area..like with energy for instance!

[TheBleuBlurr]

Most physicists never look past their textbooks? That is the most utter sample of rubbish I have read all day. Physicists are among the most creative people, being tasked to understand the utter calamity that is our universe. They are presented with unique problems that only they can solve on a daily basis. Scientists are among the most creative people on this earth. How many inventions have been created by scientists? What are you using right now? All designed by out-of-the box thinkers.

[freeenergyevolution]

I don't deny that they're creative. What I meant was that the majority are bound by dogmatic theory. This limits the imagination, the sense of what's possible. Allow me to illustrate. Photo-voltaic cells turn light into DC current. DC current decomposes water into hydrogen and oxygen. 2/3 of the earth is covered in water. Cover every roof top of every building and house everywhere with photo-voltaic cells and use them all to decompose water and our energy problems are over. It'll pay for itself.

[Joeviocoe]

Actually, physicist are among the most rebellious of all scientists.  They need to come up with new, innovation ideas to be recognized at all.

If there is something further to discover, they would happily burn their textbooks.

And conservative forces are VERY well understood. Most of our technology (the ones that came out of the industrial revolution) comes from the UNFAILING laws of conservation of both energy and momentum.

[gersonl]

this thing is for real! it works, and it's moving pepetual!

[parhatsathid]

The magnetic motor uses a magnetic shielding on one end so that the attracting forces is more than the repelling forces. Of course an uneven attracting and repelling can be done with the shape of magnet as being of square, which is what they are presently by Kedron. See peswiki. I prefer a wheel where one pole opposes, while all the magnets on outer ring (as in Perendev) has a magnets to slant biased on one side so that there is a repelling force more.

[luchoins]

this is the same logoc that the iron ball`s pendul (Morphologically), whit the time the inertia force disipate to the more statics parts of the instruments, and the moving stop. the magnetisms is not a igniciation force, it is a statics force. how to transformate on a igniciating force? that is the cuestion. so what really happen whit the philadelphia experiment??...

sorry by my inglish. I`m of Chile.

[johnstarr2001]

This is like a sterling engine. The magnets are power pistons and the fan type wheel is a displacement piston. The displacement piston is like a valve that turns the energy on and off for the power piston to act too. Also do you see the four fly wheels on a crank shafts. Just like a sterling engine. Same setup just diffrent kind of energy use. One is on gas pressure or vacuum and the other on magnetic attraction or propulsion.

[taner311]

idea: we can half the machine at the midle, so two of magnets became stationary,olso math became easier.(or we can cut it 1/4 so it will like a piston engine. so easy

to duplicate.)

[taner311]

steorn also trying to discribe this fenomen to people who known as scientists. it is hard to be belived by this big brothers. Well, we must build this mashine like a toy (in large scale), sell them to people on cheeper price. i thing this is the only way to win the price...(i am planing that if so many people agree with us this dream will came true against goverments, or petrol international sellers.)

[faro0485]

Was this guy's video camera from the 1970s?

[poplianil]

This is an artwork as claimed and is driven by a motor in the box, But still got so many people on looking

[Svarstaad]

The inventor of the "Believe Machine" configuration was Jerry Howard, from Augusta, Georgia.

Jerry was forced to transport the "Hypertron," prototype, as he called it, to Washington, D.C., in order to get the concept patented.

The patent can be accessed online at the USPTO website.

++++++++++++++++

United States Patent 3,967,146

Howard June 29, 1976

Magnetic motion conversion device

Appl. No.: 05/574,457

Filed: May 5, 1975

[ekuwa69]

this is unbelievable, please someone try to duplicate this.

[VideoJunkei]

I have personally played with this idea...the problem is that the magnets, attracted to the shield, do NOT want to leave it to be repulsed by each other. This makes it MUCH harder to remove the shield; also it must be strong, any imbalance and it will flex and stick to a magnet. Having said this, I did use steel, not MU metal. Perhaps if the shield is pulled out quickly?!

[Soulofdistortion]

Hello all, is there anyone who tried to dublicate the machine with any positive results? If so I would like to get in touch and exance experience.

[cchance]

from what i understand when the shield is in between the magnets they are attracted to the shield rather then repulsed from each other, and when the shield rotates away they are repulsed away from each other once again.

[Clarky006]

Yeh, A shield conducts the flux so it has no more effect over it's normal given distance by using magnetically permeable materials, like mu-metal or even steel.

It's simple, take the repelling sides of 2 magnets ,say 400 gauss. You can't get them within about 2 inches of each other with force, place a sheet of mu-metal 1mm thick inbetween and you can bring the repelling ends within 1mm of each other with no effort atall.

[erawling]

magnets are shielded all the time, think of the hard drive in your computer.

[my83merc]

"Magnets are sheiled all the time" in ref to a computer hard drive...

the magnets in your hard drive are sheilded by their polarities. Each magnet balances out the other and provides a very subtle field between the magnets for the read write head arms to balance whithin.

[oxygon]

this is a CON! You cant shield magnets... I know!

Don't get dupped! this comment will probably get erased.

[cchance]

mu-metal shields magnets quite easily, what are you talking about, get a clue dude, you might not be able to absorb it but u can shield it

[Tranquillitatisufo]

Beautiful machine!

Freakingly nice music.

I want to believe.

But I cant, until I have it in my garage. :P

[electric789]

never mind, i see its a perpetual motion machine. ...nice music

[electric789]

this like a wish machine?