People wake up!!! This video was taken by gay people.... So...there you go...you have a proof of how gay people are too... Not trustworthy, not kind, not understanding, treason hell, liars, criminals, etc. Now, why should I choose to be gay? See how a gay person is hung by gay people. It is not a priest that is gay, NO. It is a gay man who became a priest. Cast the first stone? MJ sang: "I'm starting wit the man in the mirror".
SEX SCANDALS perverts RAPING babies and children Is called HUNG TILL DEAD Say HI TO BUBBA the Other POPE your real POPE Queers don't belong to humanity or society. LOOK what they did to the VATICAN An International DISASTER, for all to witness. Vatican has been QUEER for years ITS PROOF that QUEERDOM isn't the Answer LOOK at the VATICAN All catholic church's around the World in Turmoil Disarray THE Vatican is HELL full of DEVIL worshipers
@pangetska The 1700 year history of the Vatican is full of attempts to blame things which are the fault of the Vatican upon others, especially the Jews.
@Koolnumber9 An objective view will clearly show the connectivity between big money & the Vatican. The oldest, largest & wealthiest entity on earth surely has a seat at the green-topped table of power. This cannot be denied. Secular men of power only bow to their equals or superiors - NOT to inferiors. Not purely for PR.
@Koolnumber9 An objective view will clearly show the connectivity between big money & the Vatican. The oldest, largest & wealthiest entity on earth surely has a seat at the green-topped table of power. This cannot be denied. Secular men of power only bow to their equals or superiors - NOT to inferiors. Not purely for PR.
There never was any sexual abuse by Catholic Priests. They are men of God, sworn to celibacy. Area you really that naive that you think these pious men would risk going to hell for eternity? As for this equally ridiculous charge of gay sex between adults in the Vatican, it is the work of Satan, manipulating the common people, the non-believers, the way Satan always does. Until you are a righteous Catholic, you will fall prey to the deviousness of Satan.
the only question left to be answered now is if those who are associated with this dangerous cult should all be sent to internment camps or if they must be dealt with by direct liquidation.
The Pope is no closer to God than you or I. We are "all" children of God. I apologize if I've offended you theLordloves, I can get a bit out of hand sometimes. However, I don't believe in preferential treatment when it comes to violent crimes.
Are these Catholics gonna ban homosexuals from the church? This is why my great-grandparents quit being Irish Catholics. Protestantism is the solution. No more faggotry.
Facinating how the Catholic church opposes gay marriage but can't keep their hands off the little boys. Just weird... I think we could save the lives of many young children if we allow the Vatican clergy to openly engage in mature homosexual relationships. Erotic toys may also tame their desires. I hear the beads are swell...
All this ruckus about the Pope & sexual abuse in the Church upsets me. We must be understanding. Remember, the Pope is a pious man. When these things occurred & he was informed, he probably didn't truly comprehend. After all, he is not a man of the flesh. How is he supposed to understand the nuances of pedophile sex if he doesn't even know much about normal sex between husband & wife? He probably just couldn't grasp the concept, & thats why he took no action
If you think that Ratzinger does not know what sex is, how it works, or has never had it......you are dead wrong. As he has worked in the Vatican for over 25years HE KNEW about the call boy ring! You could not live in a nation with fewer then 1000 residents & NOT know!
He has spent all of his known life in the company of boys & men.......do the math:)
@theLordIovesusaII Neither the Vatican nor Josef Ratzinger are God. Nor do they LIVE the Gospel of Christ. Nor the core of the Catholic Faith.
Obviously you are in Denial of material & spiritual realities....as you cannot even process the FACT that a gay prostitution ring in an entity with less then 1000 residents would be quite well known by said residents.
...much less can you process that Vatican prelates AND popes in the past had whores of both genders, many of them minors.
@theLordIovesusaII Thus you consider spiritual & material REALITY to be...'silly'.
This is typical of those for whom the object of faith & devotion is not God - but the Vatican Administration. Who do not even comprehend what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is about - as they have never processed it.
The result is Cognitive Denial & Stockholm Syndrome type reaction when presented with facts.
@theLordIovesusaII The level of Cognitive Dissonance & Denial of reality you display is amazing....
'sexual abuse in the church upsets you..". How do you think the utterly shattered victims feel?
Josef Ratzinger is at the heart of the scandal & orchestrated the global coverup. He is a very highly educated man who has been in the Vatican for nearly 30 years. He knows EXACTLY what is going on & is VERY familiar with what sex abuse is!
2) As for the feelings of the sexual abuse "victims"? I'm sure the actors that were paid well by enemies of the Church to perjure themselves are feeling quite happy with that money in their pockets. Instead of wasting your time on Vatican conspiracies, why don't you focus your energy on the conspiracies behind trying to bring down God's representative on earth? I'll even tell you who it is now... Satan. And you are his accomplice. I'll pray for you, son.
@theLordIovesusaII Nobody could know of the true extent & utter horror of the Sexual, Physical & Emotional Abuse & damage caused to untold thousands of kids by priest, bishops & religious.....& say the things you say. Nor could you be of God & say them.
I have read the Ryan & Fearns reports from Ireland & evidence/trial transcripts of US cases. This was organized, systemic abuse of kids - approved of & covered up by Bishops.
@19lfm12 You trip yourself up. If they did not believe in God then they were atheists. And I have no doubt at all that atheists are capable of such monstrous acts. But true Christians aren't. I'm happy you agree with me.
@theLordIovesusaII By their words & deeds, they make it obvious that Christ is not the object of their faith. But these abuser priests are not mere 'atheists'; they are Luciferian in mode.
As they pretend to be A whilst really being B. Most of them are spirtiual fools, but those are the top of the heap are Luciferian. As they know God exists & believe in His reality, yet choose to serve another - while pretending to do the opposite.
@theLordIovesusaII "Infallibility' was only concocted in 1870.So, either:
1. the Holy Spirit confers infallibility only from 1870 onward
OR
2. He confers it retroactively to 1870.
Both are ludicrous. God is consistent & coherent; He does neither use nor approve of situaltional ethics. Nor the overt duplicity in this nonsense.
Pre & post 1870 it can be clearly & easily shown that popes & the Vatican Administration have erred in faith & dogma so many times as to be laughable.
@theLordIovesusaII ....that follows perfectly the current agenda of Opus Dei, as enunciated by Ratzinger:
Basically..'those who dare to oppose our power, presumed 'authority', hegemony, or criticize us in any manner (no matter how legitimately), are now defined as 'being of Satan'.
Thus proving that Ratz & OD are of the same demonic spirit as the Inquisition. Not of God or of the true Catholic Faith, which is 100% coherent with Christ & His Gospel.
@theLordIovesusaII The word 'Infallible" means to be incapable of deceit or error. For that to be true, it must be true:
1. all of the time. Not just 'when we say so'.
2. for each successive office holder
3. the words, deeds & pronouncements of predecessors must all be coherent with each other.
As neither of the above are true, thus said construct of 'Infallibility' does neither apply to Mr. Ratzinger, nor to his predecessors - nor by default to the Vatican Administration, nor Bishops.
@19lfm12 Those raids were conducted by Satan followers. It was disrespectful to the church. They will find NOTHING in those files. And all the officers involved will burn in Hell, just like you.
@19lfm12 The Pope is God's representative on earth. You will burn for your blasphemous comments. NOTHING incriminating will ever be found because nothing ever happened. It is agents of Satan like you that are spreading false stories & trying to topple the Church, but that will never happen. You are evil, I know YOU have sexually abused children, & even worse than that, you have eaten them alive.
@theLordIovesusaII That you use 'thelordlovesusall' as your moniker - yet spout such completely illogical & spiritually incoherent dreck - makes its obvious that you do not believe in Christ or His Gospel. Thus your moniker itself is blasphemous.
The Temple Masters of Jerusalem used similar tactics & words against Jesus himself & his followers in their persecution of Him/them. Because He/they correctly pointed to the complete evil which is the leaders of organized religion.
@theLordIovesusaII That is essentially what Inquisitors said to those they persecuted & tortured. Thus you are stating you are of the same spirit......a spirit which Christ, in the Gospels, condemns totally.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem."
You are an enemy of Jesus. You will burn in Hell.
1) All your big words & catchphrases amuse me. I suppose you are one of those fringe conspiracy theorists. I suppose the Vatican was behind 9/11 too, & JFK's assassination, & the death of Princess Di, & the cocaine problem in the USA, & the sinking of that South Korean ship that is being blamed on North Korea, etc... Yes, it's amazing the power the Vatican has, conducting all these false flag operations all over the world with impunity & secrecy.
Why would anyone be "shocked" by anything these homosexual boy touchers do. I'm really looking forward to the day this false religion and all of the others are crushed by the incoming Kingdom of God on the earth, led by Jesus Christ.
To TonyRJ1989: This is why Jesus Christ said "you must be born again.
All men are sinners and must come into the knowledge of the truth and accept Jesus christ, there are no other exceptions. Then you will be saved and spared from that place of torment that is for ever. Psalms 51 verse 5: For I was born a sinner-- yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.
dream on, the Church has never had as many members and it's triving, well over a billion now. The no contraceptive rule and ignorance in Africa and other impoverished areas of the world proves a thriving ground for religon and this church is very good at capitalising on it.
Could this finally be the last straw? Time to make the Vatican a museum of another ancient religion that run its course. It's just going the way of all past religions, a long slow death and painful for many I'm sure to see this, But, oh well!
I read a article called the (Gay Agenda) many years ago it stated that the gays are going to take over by moving into to high positions to change laws and that were going to take over our Churches if the Church want accept them and they are going to recruit our son and daughers by meeting them in secluted places.
The Catholic Church is not doing enough investigation on a person back ground before giving a person these postion. Close observation is needed. There need to be changes.
All this is doing is pushing Catholics into other made-up belief systems. The religious have so much invested in their faith, from their lifestyle to their children's upbringing... much to reject and feel ashamed of when it turns out to be as bad as we atheists said it was... so they will move to a less scandalous, but equally idiotic doctrinary structure. Can't give up the notion that the whole mess is so corrupt because of a false premise to begin with! That would be letting Satan win!
@gtaivpcvids Objectively....yes, they cannot admit that the 'Vatican system' is in any way flawed or wrong, no matter how compelling the historic (or Scriptural...) evidence is. It is VERY corrupt. The question remains: is this what Christ wanted...much less founded?
No. If we look at the early Xtians, pre-Nicea, they were NON hierarchial, operating by collaborative consensus. They believed in the Sermon on the Mount - not in a Theocratic hegemony!
whats the big surprise here , hell everyone knows most priest are child molesters , they have to sell al their property in eastern Canada to pay for the rape of 1000s of kids
the church and region died out on me along time ago when i seen what priests do on there spare time, strip club, gay crap on the news, all these religions are is one big acting show for the world, i still dont understand how ppl need a religion to talk you what is right from wrong and how to live your life, we all live on the same rock were 1 work together and get out of the rock and explore
Eh....doesn't anyone know that Ratzinger himself has a gay lover in the Vatican?
And before Ratzinger was Pope, he was in charge of the desk that kept all the child sex priests hidden and moved from one place to another when problems arose to avoid their prosecutions?
@kthorn612 the second part is confirmed, but the first needs a bit of proof. I think if THAT was common knowledge, the church really WOULD be finished...
@kthorn612 The 1st item MAY be true...but lacks concrete proof (for the moment...). But there is no reason to presume this man is sexless or in any way has lived completely free from sin! Even legitimate saints were sinners....
The 2nd part is VERY true & the evidence piles higher daily.Plus in his former Munich Archdiocese he enabled & protected abusers. He is in it up to his eyeballs.
So why are people surprised when things like this keep happening. I mean, if you suppress people fro having sex, they're gonna do SOMETHING about it; doesn't matter if what they do is homosexual, heterosexual, whatever.
@yearight1970 As Ratz has lived in the Vatican for nearly 30 years, he obviously was aware of the rent boys in the Vatican. Only 1000 ppl live there, so it is like a high school; everybody knows everybody.
We have no evidence that he has personally raped innocent kids......yet
But even if he only played with rent boys who were consensual (regardless of age...) this indicates duplicity & incoherence. He is obviously two-faced about other things.
And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then, finally, the end will come.
I can't believe anybody would still identify as being in the same religion as these people, much less continue to tithe to them. What an embarrassment to humanity.
What is it with the catholic's supressed homo-erotic fantasies...It seems that the homophobes are the biggest friutcakes..lmfao jk! But really, live and let live, love and let love. peace.
I'm trying to think of something scandalous or morally reprehensible coming from the Vatican that would surprise me, but I can't imagine anything too evil for them to have a go at.
Please have a go at that thought game if you want and respond to me if you can think of something.
whats more sad is the thousands of sheeple who on each of the popes announcement in st peters square hold a candle looking up to him(papa roma) like some deity
it's shameless to expose the hypocrasy of high up members of one of the most amoral organisations in the world is it? I thought it was called journalistic duty!
@popeyroach I couldn't agree with this comment more. What are we supposed to believe? that its perfectly ok for them to go around globally slamming and ostracizing homosexuals, calling it an abomination and a sin against God, but if anyone should do the same thing to them it's a shameless act? UNBELIEVABLE. They are shameless in their hypocrisy and nerve to make that statement. Vile. ~PG~
Come on, really, this shocks people? I guess this would shock those who were blocking their ears going la la la during everything else the Vatican has done.
Yes, maybe one fine day they'll be satisfied to service each other, and leave the sane people alone. Think of the impact to society if THAT many fewer children had to suffer rape- that many fewer psychiatry bills, that many fewer people dealing with severe depression, and the various mental illnesses that are their only escape from the horror.
Think of what an impact it could mean to everyone if we learned to punish hypocrisy with public shaming, and ridicule. They do it because they can.
Verily, the likeness of 'Īsā (Jesus) before Allâh is the likeness of Adam. He created him (Adam)from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was. (59) (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt. (Quran 3:59-60)
Homosexuality is not wrong. The problem is the inconsistent, deceptive life all these religious people spend, miserably unable to have real personal integrity. Not only Catholics but also Evangelists. Ted Haggard, John Paulk, Paul Crouch, Paul Barnes, and even the YouTuber Yokeup's wife... they all bash gays & lesbians while they themselves are inherently homosexual.
"It's shameless for the press to publish these accounts that have nothing to do, they say, with the charges he was arrested for."
It is interesting that the statement claims he is innocent of the corruption but it is the media that is at fault over the sex scandal. Perhaps they have denied that elsewhere.
But, but, but it is shameless for God to send me to Hell for sins that have nothing to do with my being dead.
Because they have a way of getting to the uninformed or uneducated. Just like the tobacco-companies bailing out of the western world, the catholic church are branching out and finding new markets in the third world. Especially in africa. Whatever you and I may think doesn't matter, as we are considered lost causes by the holy business...
I'm so surprised......... the pope should stop his anti-gay bullsh!t preaching since he is just trying to stir up trouble every time he speaks out against gays when he and all the popes have know there are 50% of the vatican that is probably gay or more... just another hypocrite
No surprises. All the signs are there - unmarried men living together, flamboyant clothing and jewelry, the power, the submission, glorious rituals, smells and bells, secret confessions, etc. It will soon be time for the Vatican to "come out" and make the Catholic World fabulous. ;-)
It has to do with certain religious cults claiming the moral high ground, getting involved in politics and demanding that everybody lives after their rules.
They go after people who have sex while not married, homosexuals, rape victims who don't want to carry out the baby.... the list goes on.
So? It's completely possible to have standards, but fail to live up to them. Not to mention it's possible to have members of your group that behave in rather poor ways.
Mind, I'd love to see religion exit the world right here, right now. But your argument is not a sound one,just so you don't get the wrong idea: clearly their 'moral' highground is just yet another flawed argument as well. A horribly flawed argument at that
The Vatican should GTFO, but we still want you to reason properly.
If they only demand that their priests live up to their standart, that's no problem, but they want to impose their standart on everybody else, that's a problem.
What other institution doesn't have to report cases of child abuse to law enforcement, but can settle the matter itself?
Different question altogether, which is ethically denounceable as well: it's not reasonable for them to impose that kind of standard on individuals at all. It's after all a non-relevant trait, one you can't pick at that.
Maybe Christianity should just accept homosexuality as a part of Nature so there won't be any "scandal". And CNN will stay out of your sex life! Like the people interviewed said "who gives a fuck anymore". Just stop talking about them and let that organization act upon itself as any other private business. Opps, did I say business?, that means that they will have to relinquish their country status and a plethora of other things....but then they can fuck all the men they want!
Am I the only person who thinks that about 50% of priests in the Roman Catholic church are gay? Btw, that's why almost all the sexual abuse incidents are with male teenagers who are sexually mature. There is another huge scale scandal being uncovered in Ireland right now, so what, I'm supposed to be shocked at a gay guy in the vatican? Sigh...
0:14 "a gentlemen of his holy-ness" ... what delicious irony!
It's no surprise that an organization that demands abstinence from women should attract those who aren't interested anyway, but it's always amusing to see holy-er than thou-s caught with their pants down, so to speak.
People wake up!!! This video was taken by gay people.... So...there you go...you have a proof of how gay people are too... Not trustworthy, not kind, not understanding, treason hell, liars, criminals, etc. Now, why should I choose to be gay? See how a gay person is hung by gay people. It is not a priest that is gay, NO. It is a gay man who became a priest. Cast the first stone? MJ sang: "I'm starting wit the man in the mirror".
utbecomntable 6 months ago
@utbecomntable Aggressive? loool, read a history book please.
SpartanKratos001 1 week ago
They are "gentlemen of his horniness"
blackviper88 1 year ago
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SEX SCANDALS perverts RAPING babies and children Is called HUNG TILL DEAD Say HI TO BUBBA the Other POPE your real POPE Queers don't belong to humanity or society. LOOK what they did to the VATICAN An International DISASTER, for all to witness. Vatican has been QUEER for years ITS PROOF that QUEERDOM isn't the Answer LOOK at the VATICAN All catholic church's around the World in Turmoil Disarray THE Vatican is HELL full of DEVIL worshipers
mastior 1 year ago
Both of you are insane for believing in fairy tales
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bctst 1 year ago
this is the work of traitors! this is the work of protestant and JEWS.
pangetska 1 year ago
@pangetska The 1700 year history of the Vatican is full of attempts to blame things which are the fault of the Vatican upon others, especially the Jews.
That is of the Devil, not of Christ.
19lfm12 1 year ago
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@Koolnumber9 An objective view will clearly show the connectivity between big money & the Vatican. The oldest, largest & wealthiest entity on earth surely has a seat at the green-topped table of power. This cannot be denied. Secular men of power only bow to their equals or superiors - NOT to inferiors. Not purely for PR.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@Koolnumber9 An objective view will clearly show the connectivity between big money & the Vatican. The oldest, largest & wealthiest entity on earth surely has a seat at the green-topped table of power. This cannot be denied. Secular men of power only bow to their equals or superiors - NOT to inferiors. Not purely for PR.
19lfm12 1 year ago
There never was any sexual abuse by Catholic Priests. They are men of God, sworn to celibacy. Area you really that naive that you think these pious men would risk going to hell for eternity? As for this equally ridiculous charge of gay sex between adults in the Vatican, it is the work of Satan, manipulating the common people, the non-believers, the way Satan always does. Until you are a righteous Catholic, you will fall prey to the deviousness of Satan.
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII If you really believe the assertions you have made here, then you are both insane & a Fantatic.
1. The is overwhelming & concrete proof of THOUSANDS of cases of Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse by priests AND bishops.
2. There is & was a very real gay prostitution ring operating in the Vatican, uncovered by Italian state police.
3. Bishops, Cardinals & some Popes have had male lovers & concoubines/brothels withing the Vatican over many centuries.
Proven FACTS of history
19lfm12 1 year ago
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the only question left to be answered now is if those who are associated with this dangerous cult should all be sent to internment camps or if they must be dealt with by direct liquidation.
IowaArmen 1 year ago
The Pope is no closer to God than you or I. We are "all" children of God. I apologize if I've offended you theLordloves, I can get a bit out of hand sometimes. However, I don't believe in preferential treatment when it comes to violent crimes.
metron626 1 year ago 3
Are these Catholics gonna ban homosexuals from the church? This is why my great-grandparents quit being Irish Catholics. Protestantism is the solution. No more faggotry.
ebonics4everyone 1 year ago
Facinating how the Catholic church opposes gay marriage but can't keep their hands off the little boys. Just weird... I think we could save the lives of many young children if we allow the Vatican clergy to openly engage in mature homosexual relationships. Erotic toys may also tame their desires. I hear the beads are swell...
metron626 1 year ago
All this ruckus about the Pope & sexual abuse in the Church upsets me. We must be understanding. Remember, the Pope is a pious man. When these things occurred & he was informed, he probably didn't truly comprehend. After all, he is not a man of the flesh. How is he supposed to understand the nuances of pedophile sex if he doesn't even know much about normal sex between husband & wife? He probably just couldn't grasp the concept, & thats why he took no action
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII What I find scary is...that you are serious!
If you think that Ratzinger does not know what sex is, how it works, or has never had it......you are dead wrong. As he has worked in the Vatican for over 25years HE KNEW about the call boy ring! You could not live in a nation with fewer then 1000 residents & NOT know!
He has spent all of his known life in the company of boys & men.......do the math:)
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12
I hope God will forgive your blasphemous lies against the Church.
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII Neither the Vatican nor Josef Ratzinger are God. Nor do they LIVE the Gospel of Christ. Nor the core of the Catholic Faith.
Obviously you are in Denial of material & spiritual realities....as you cannot even process the FACT that a gay prostitution ring in an entity with less then 1000 residents would be quite well known by said residents.
...much less can you process that Vatican prelates AND popes in the past had whores of both genders, many of them minors.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Now you're just being plain silly.....
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII Thus you consider spiritual & material REALITY to be...'silly'.
This is typical of those for whom the object of faith & devotion is not God - but the Vatican Administration. Who do not even comprehend what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is about - as they have never processed it.
The result is Cognitive Denial & Stockholm Syndrome type reaction when presented with facts.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII The level of Cognitive Dissonance & Denial of reality you display is amazing....
'sexual abuse in the church upsets you..". How do you think the utterly shattered victims feel?
Josef Ratzinger is at the heart of the scandal & orchestrated the global coverup. He is a very highly educated man who has been in the Vatican for nearly 30 years. He knows EXACTLY what is going on & is VERY familiar with what sex abuse is!
19lfm12 1 year ago
2) As for the feelings of the sexual abuse "victims"? I'm sure the actors that were paid well by enemies of the Church to perjure themselves are feeling quite happy with that money in their pockets. Instead of wasting your time on Vatican conspiracies, why don't you focus your energy on the conspiracies behind trying to bring down God's representative on earth? I'll even tell you who it is now... Satan. And you are his accomplice. I'll pray for you, son.
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII Nobody could know of the true extent & utter horror of the Sexual, Physical & Emotional Abuse & damage caused to untold thousands of kids by priest, bishops & religious.....& say the things you say. Nor could you be of God & say them.
I have read the Ryan & Fearns reports from Ireland & evidence/trial transcripts of US cases. This was organized, systemic abuse of kids - approved of & covered up by Bishops.
Those priests & bishops do not believe in God
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 You trip yourself up. If they did not believe in God then they were atheists. And I have no doubt at all that atheists are capable of such monstrous acts. But true Christians aren't. I'm happy you agree with me.
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII By their words & deeds, they make it obvious that Christ is not the object of their faith. But these abuser priests are not mere 'atheists'; they are Luciferian in mode.
As they pretend to be A whilst really being B. Most of them are spirtiual fools, but those are the top of the heap are Luciferian. As they know God exists & believe in His reality, yet choose to serve another - while pretending to do the opposite.
Your 'pope' is not what he pretends to be....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Nonsense, the Pope is God's representative on earth. he is infallible.
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII "Infallibility' was only concocted in 1870.So, either:
1. the Holy Spirit confers infallibility only from 1870 onward
OR
2. He confers it retroactively to 1870.
Both are ludicrous. God is consistent & coherent; He does neither use nor approve of situaltional ethics. Nor the overt duplicity in this nonsense.
Pre & post 1870 it can be clearly & easily shown that popes & the Vatican Administration have erred in faith & dogma so many times as to be laughable.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII "Infallibility' was only concocted in 1870.So, either:
1. the Holy Spirit confers infallibility only from 1870 onward
OR
2. He confers it retroactively to 1870.
Both are ludicrous. God is consistent & coherent; He does neither use nor approve of situaltional ethics. Nor the overt duplicity in this nonsense.
Pre & post 1870 it can be clearly & easily shown that popes & the Vatican Administration have erred in faith & dogma so many times as to be laughable.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 I think you are on drugs. Satan is in you.
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII ....that follows perfectly the current agenda of Opus Dei, as enunciated by Ratzinger:
Basically..'those who dare to oppose our power, presumed 'authority', hegemony, or criticize us in any manner (no matter how legitimately), are now defined as 'being of Satan'.
Thus proving that Ratz & OD are of the same demonic spirit as the Inquisition. Not of God or of the true Catholic Faith, which is 100% coherent with Christ & His Gospel.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII The word 'Infallible" means to be incapable of deceit or error. For that to be true, it must be true:
1. all of the time. Not just 'when we say so'.
2. for each successive office holder
3. the words, deeds & pronouncements of predecessors must all be coherent with each other.
As neither of the above are true, thus said construct of 'Infallibility' does neither apply to Mr. Ratzinger, nor to his predecessors - nor by default to the Vatican Administration, nor Bishops.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Your verbal Diarrhea will get you nowhere, except to Hell my son.
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII
1. I am not your 'son', nor in any way your inferior or subordinate.
2. Criticism of men's overt deeds & those of man-made entities in 100% morally & spiritually just.
3. Nobody needs your permission nor that of Ratz to use the minds which God gave us.
4.You are espousing the New Evangelization of the Antichrist:
'That anyone who thinks or says anything in criticism or opposition to the Pope or Vatican Administration is 'of Satan'".
The Inquisition of of the Devil.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 You are obviously mentally ill, my child.
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII Perhaps you should pay attention to the Belgian police raids on Church offices & bishop's residences in Belgium.
...coming to a Chancery office near you!
Justice shall be done.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Those raids were conducted by Satan followers. It was disrespectful to the church. They will find NOTHING in those files. And all the officers involved will burn in Hell, just like you.
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII You are equating the Vatican with God.....which is not nor ever was true.
Unless every office & dicastry of the Church shreds every single record - which would be nearly impossible - plenty will be found in such raids.
The Vatican & its Prelates are not above the law.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 The Pope is God's representative on earth. You will burn for your blasphemous comments. NOTHING incriminating will ever be found because nothing ever happened. It is agents of Satan like you that are spreading false stories & trying to topple the Church, but that will never happen. You are evil, I know YOU have sexually abused children, & even worse than that, you have eaten them alive.
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII That you use 'thelordlovesusall' as your moniker - yet spout such completely illogical & spiritually incoherent dreck - makes its obvious that you do not believe in Christ or His Gospel. Thus your moniker itself is blasphemous.
The Temple Masters of Jerusalem used similar tactics & words against Jesus himself & his followers in their persecution of Him/them. Because He/they correctly pointed to the complete evil which is the leaders of organized religion.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 You are insane. Your constant blathering has angered God & you will pay dearly.
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII That is essentially what Inquisitors said to those they persecuted & tortured. Thus you are stating you are of the same spirit......a spirit which Christ, in the Gospels, condemns totally.
19lfm12 1 year ago
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@19lfm12
Then I suggest you read Luke 19:27-28
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem."
You are an enemy of Jesus. You will burn in Hell.
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@19lfm12
1) All your big words & catchphrases amuse me. I suppose you are one of those fringe conspiracy theorists. I suppose the Vatican was behind 9/11 too, & JFK's assassination, & the death of Princess Di, & the cocaine problem in the USA, & the sinking of that South Korean ship that is being blamed on North Korea, etc... Yes, it's amazing the power the Vatican has, conducting all these false flag operations all over the world with impunity & secrecy.
theLordIovesusaII 1 year ago
@theLordIovesusaII To quote Jesus:
"...you have said it..."
19lfm12 1 year ago
the ugly face of christianity
(king James Version)(John)(Jn-13-23)(Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.)
sparkiersuperjet 1 year ago
Why would anyone be "shocked" by anything these homosexual boy touchers do. I'm really looking forward to the day this false religion and all of the others are crushed by the incoming Kingdom of God on the earth, led by Jesus Christ.
chuggachuggawoowoo 1 year ago 2
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Rom an 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
sprinkle888 1 year ago
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To TonyRJ1989: This is why Jesus Christ said "you must be born again.
All men are sinners and must come into the knowledge of the truth and accept Jesus christ, there are no other exceptions. Then you will be saved and spared from that place of torment that is for ever. Psalms 51 verse 5: For I was born a sinner-- yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.
sprinkle888 1 year ago
The latest and most bizarre news on the Vatican sex scandal has been reported on the FreedomHaters site.
Canaderek 1 year ago
within the next 50 years the vatican will become a museum
kriztufer2001 1 year ago 3
@kriztufer2001 i really hope so.
cellURAR 1 year ago
@kriztufer2001
dream on, the Church has never had as many members and it's triving, well over a billion now. The no contraceptive rule and ignorance in Africa and other impoverished areas of the world proves a thriving ground for religon and this church is very good at capitalising on it.
yearight1970 1 year ago
wishful thinking much?
thejohnmcglone 1 year ago
Oh please. Like nobody knew that those dress wearing hosers weren't in it for the "love"
UTubeBrowzer 1 year ago
Homo-pedo-org = VATICAN.
ANDROID697 1 year ago
Could this finally be the last straw? Time to make the Vatican a museum of another ancient religion that run its course. It's just going the way of all past religions, a long slow death and painful for many I'm sure to see this, But, oh well!
CrankyCrone 1 year ago 4
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I read a article called the (Gay Agenda) many years ago it stated that the gays are going to take over by moving into to high positions to change laws and that were going to take over our Churches if the Church want accept them and they are going to recruit our son and daughers by meeting them in secluted places.
The Catholic Church is not doing enough investigation on a person back ground before giving a person these postion. Close observation is needed. There need to be changes.
sprinkle888 1 year ago
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sprinkle888 1 year ago
Maybe you should review your marriage policy.....csr
wjmears 1 year ago
All this is doing is pushing Catholics into other made-up belief systems. The religious have so much invested in their faith, from their lifestyle to their children's upbringing... much to reject and feel ashamed of when it turns out to be as bad as we atheists said it was... so they will move to a less scandalous, but equally idiotic doctrinary structure. Can't give up the notion that the whole mess is so corrupt because of a false premise to begin with! That would be letting Satan win!
gtaivpcvids 1 year ago
Agreed!
IAmTheBlurr 1 year ago
@gtaivpcvids Objectively....yes, they cannot admit that the 'Vatican system' is in any way flawed or wrong, no matter how compelling the historic (or Scriptural...) evidence is. It is VERY corrupt. The question remains: is this what Christ wanted...much less founded?
No. If we look at the early Xtians, pre-Nicea, they were NON hierarchial, operating by collaborative consensus. They believed in the Sermon on the Mount - not in a Theocratic hegemony!
19lfm12 1 year ago
Lol... Big surprise....
rhov233 1 year ago
lmfaooo this is actually hilarious and ironic.
Giqantic 1 year ago
whats the big surprise here , hell everyone knows most priest are child molesters , they have to sell al their property in eastern Canada to pay for the rape of 1000s of kids
BeautifulGirlByDana 1 year ago
the church and region died out on me along time ago when i seen what priests do on there spare time, strip club, gay crap on the news, all these religions are is one big acting show for the world, i still dont understand how ppl need a religion to talk you what is right from wrong and how to live your life, we all live on the same rock were 1 work together and get out of the rock and explore
skoaile 1 year ago
Fkn vatican needs to be destroyed anyway......evil found it's home there a long time ago!
LuthierGod 1 year ago 2
Eh....doesn't anyone know that Ratzinger himself has a gay lover in the Vatican?
And before Ratzinger was Pope, he was in charge of the desk that kept all the child sex priests hidden and moved from one place to another when problems arose to avoid their prosecutions?
kthorn612 1 year ago
@kthorn612 the second part is confirmed, but the first needs a bit of proof. I think if THAT was common knowledge, the church really WOULD be finished...
gtaivpcvids 1 year ago
@kthorn612 The 1st item MAY be true...but lacks concrete proof (for the moment...). But there is no reason to presume this man is sexless or in any way has lived completely free from sin! Even legitimate saints were sinners....
The 2nd part is VERY true & the evidence piles higher daily.Plus in his former Munich Archdiocese he enabled & protected abusers. He is in it up to his eyeballs.
19lfm12 1 year ago
So why are people surprised when things like this keep happening. I mean, if you suppress people fro having sex, they're gonna do SOMETHING about it; doesn't matter if what they do is homosexual, heterosexual, whatever.
AlbinoTanuki 1 year ago
Atleast he was only shaging rent boys, compared to raping children, nots OK
yearight1970 1 year ago 2
@yearight1970 As Ratz has lived in the Vatican for nearly 30 years, he obviously was aware of the rent boys in the Vatican. Only 1000 ppl live there, so it is like a high school; everybody knows everybody.
We have no evidence that he has personally raped innocent kids......yet
But even if he only played with rent boys who were consensual (regardless of age...) this indicates duplicity & incoherence. He is obviously two-faced about other things.
19lfm12 1 year ago
Aside from fags and child molesters, the Catholic Church is the biggest extortion racket in history.
stonerbudkap 1 year ago 2
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Mathew chapter 24:14
And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then, finally, the end will come.
sprinkle888 1 year ago
Yeah, the end of the church :)
ScaryGuy255 1 year ago
obviously many are not suprised by this...
whats even less suprising to me is that they do crap like this...and then immediately go back to claiming to be infalliable again...
EnhancementSmoker 1 year ago
who could see this coming?
FlintfromOhio 1 year ago
I can't believe anybody would still identify as being in the same religion as these people, much less continue to tithe to them. What an embarrassment to humanity.
elindred 1 year ago 5
What is it with the catholic's supressed homo-erotic fantasies...It seems that the homophobes are the biggest friutcakes..lmfao jk! But really, live and let live, love and let love. peace.
MrNemy86 1 year ago
why does anybody care about the catholic church and its sex scandals? i don't
Kyanlikethepepper 1 year ago
Someone needs to tell God that gay is ok so that he can tell everyone in the Vatican.
Hey God, come on, reveal it to them!
Oh that's right, religious values are vetted by men in the name of God. We are screwed.
mephesh 1 year ago
I'm trying to think of something scandalous or morally reprehensible coming from the Vatican that would surprise me, but I can't imagine anything too evil for them to have a go at.
Please have a go at that thought game if you want and respond to me if you can think of something.
omegavalerius 1 year ago 5
they are a race of satanic lizard people, plotting world domination, and intend to do so through male prostitution.
fullmetalcock666 1 year ago
I'm convinced that the Catholic Church is really just a glorified sex club.
neil73 1 year ago 5
*facepalm* Not ... a ... surprise.
patricknelson 1 year ago 2
Keep exposing the corruptions of the Catholic church!
amorphousguy 1 year ago 2
A circus of bead jingling child rapists.
akinadownhillace 1 year ago 5
Wow.
Are we supposed to be surprised?
The only surprise that I have is that it hasn't been uncovered more before this.
bodeezy 1 year ago 3
The pope is gay too! Not there's anything wrong with that!
VlOREL 1 year ago 4
there is nothing wrong with a man being gay, but we're talking about dishonesty and hypocrisy here
Ultra4 1 year ago 4
whats more sad is the thousands of sheeple who on each of the popes announcement in st peters square hold a candle looking up to him(papa roma) like some deity
kamekazoop 1 year ago 10
it's shameless to expose the hypocrasy of high up members of one of the most amoral organisations in the world is it? I thought it was called journalistic duty!
popeyroach 1 year ago 14
@popeyroach I couldn't agree with this comment more. What are we supposed to believe? that its perfectly ok for them to go around globally slamming and ostracizing homosexuals, calling it an abomination and a sin against God, but if anyone should do the same thing to them it's a shameless act? UNBELIEVABLE. They are shameless in their hypocrisy and nerve to make that statement. Vile. ~PG~
PaganGlade 1 year ago
wow look at all the sheeple.
campasini 1 year ago 3
Come on, really, this shocks people? I guess this would shock those who were blocking their ears going la la la during everything else the Vatican has done.
caseygtr 1 year ago 6
This is gay.
goldragon988 1 year ago
God hates fags. LOL.
IronManTalks 1 year ago 2
lol Tall, black and beautiful
DemonicGemini 1 year ago 2
WOW Im skocked, The gay bashing catholics are actually gay? No way... im confused!
religionOFFENDSme 1 year ago 6
They love the cock; not stop being idiots and just accept nature.
netsoj 1 year ago 3
"I as a Catholic feel shame, and it pushes me away from the Catholic church." GOOD!
BoredInfidel 1 year ago 14
...and these are just the ones we here about!
graphicism 1 year ago 7
The only thing shocking about this story is that the male prostitutes were of legal age.
baudiirocz 1 year ago 15
AHahahahahahahaha. Oh man, comedy gold right there.
magx01 1 year ago
Great progress, at least no children were raped in this one! The Vatican is improving.
bkishar 1 year ago 9
Yes, maybe one fine day they'll be satisfied to service each other, and leave the sane people alone. Think of the impact to society if THAT many fewer children had to suffer rape- that many fewer psychiatry bills, that many fewer people dealing with severe depression, and the various mental illnesses that are their only escape from the horror.
Think of what an impact it could mean to everyone if we learned to punish hypocrisy with public shaming, and ridicule. They do it because they can.
madamezora7 1 year ago 2
the many manifestations of sexual repression...
theseanze 1 year ago 7
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ozone02 1 year ago
more fairy tales?
are you a comedian?
justintempler 1 year ago 3
good news!
oh my god! what church does?
worst is there are many pedofils beetwen them! that scares me!
MAStudio64 1 year ago
Lol
SonnyBey 1 year ago
Homosexuality is not wrong. The problem is the inconsistent, deceptive life all these religious people spend, miserably unable to have real personal integrity. Not only Catholics but also Evangelists. Ted Haggard, John Paulk, Paul Crouch, Paul Barnes, and even the YouTuber Yokeup's wife... they all bash gays & lesbians while they themselves are inherently homosexual.
mirandansa 1 year ago
Oh, he's MARRIED-of course he must be innocent!
gilraen789 1 year ago
and some use to ask themselves where were the homossexual people hiding in ancient times...
they joined the church and became priests and popes.
wake up for reality!
religion is a lie.
sex and prostitution are natural facets of our animal condition.
only education and tolerance will provide us a fair, happy life.
marvincontendo 1 year ago 3
I guess it's time to start putting condoms in the collection basket.
justintempler 1 year ago
Nice one :^)
infinityjrh 1 year ago
a big LOL
FreeSecularIran2009 1 year ago
"It's shameless for the press to publish these accounts that have nothing to do, they say, with the charges he was arrested for."
It is interesting that the statement claims he is innocent of the corruption but it is the media that is at fault over the sex scandal. Perhaps they have denied that elsewhere.
But, but, but it is shameless for God to send me to Hell for sins that have nothing to do with my being dead.
8WholeThing 1 year ago
religion is gay
illbetilbake 1 year ago 6
hahahahahahahaha this made my day
71m3d0g 1 year ago
Well Iam not that surprised, I think there is a lot of gays in The Vatican.
KallesKaviarNr1 1 year ago 2
LOL!!! PERFECT!!!!!
Why does anyone still respect and listen to these catholic clowns?
dskrilla1 1 year ago 4
Because they have a way of getting to the uninformed or uneducated. Just like the tobacco-companies bailing out of the western world, the catholic church are branching out and finding new markets in the third world. Especially in africa. Whatever you and I may think doesn't matter, as we are considered lost causes by the holy business...
PistonDriven 1 year ago
Balducci was allegedly paying 2,000 euros ($2,714) for each man he met
and that from the taxpayers money. gg
Reiff444 1 year ago 4
Worse; that's from donor money.
bkishar 1 year ago
I'm so surprised......... the pope should stop his anti-gay bullsh!t preaching since he is just trying to stir up trouble every time he speaks out against gays when he and all the popes have know there are 50% of the vatican that is probably gay or more... just another hypocrite
tellthetruthoryour 1 year ago
"Tall black and beautiful...rugby player....man studying for the priesthood"
There is no word to explain how I'm feeling now, no, I'm NOT turned on, I'm just laughing XD
TurboDally 1 year ago
No surprises. All the signs are there - unmarried men living together, flamboyant clothing and jewelry, the power, the submission, glorious rituals, smells and bells, secret confessions, etc. It will soon be time for the Vatican to "come out" and make the Catholic World fabulous. ;-)
Marchawc 1 year ago 6
Aaahahaaa. Rupaul for pope, allright..! Priceless, Godammit, priceless..!
PistonDriven 1 year ago 3
more like a gentleman of other mans holes -iness
spellgrounds 1 year ago 3
Tall, Black and Beautiful LMAO :))))
wedingo 1 year ago
Yeah! It's totally shameful for the press to release this story about gay bashing hypocrites who are gay! And Ted Haggard is completely heterosexual!
LordSlag 1 year ago
Jaded, yep, that's the word. This isn't nearly as bad as the protecting of pedophile predators in the States, though.
darkprose 1 year ago
I feel like not believing the Vatican =P. I feel like going independent as a Catholic now =P
SnappyHip 1 year ago
I haven't been shocked by conservatives involved in gay sex scandals for a while now..
FerreThoughts 1 year ago 2
Yeah, go figure, a fucking choir boys orgy.
Hypocritical scums !
deziluzionistul 1 year ago
Unfortunately Christians will sweep this under the rug with all of the other hypocritical christian sex scandals.
village1diot 1 year ago 7
The lolz, they keep coming (pun not intended)
KalimaShaktide 1 year ago
What did he do wrong?
Prostitution and homosexual sex are not immoral if its all concensual.
Nexius8 1 year ago
@Nexius8
Aye, why do we care: if it's between consenting adults it's not only none of our business, it's completely worthless 'news'.
This is more for the ReligionMediaBlog really, I wonder if any atheist cares at all.
Nerusai 1 year ago
I love to laugh at hypocrites. Stories like this make my day.
village1diot 1 year ago 6
It has to do with certain religious cults claiming the moral high ground, getting involved in politics and demanding that everybody lives after their rules.
They go after people who have sex while not married, homosexuals, rape victims who don't want to carry out the baby.... the list goes on.
DeletedDelusion 1 year ago 2
@Dele
So? It's completely possible to have standards, but fail to live up to them. Not to mention it's possible to have members of your group that behave in rather poor ways.
Mind, I'd love to see religion exit the world right here, right now. But your argument is not a sound one,just so you don't get the wrong idea: clearly their 'moral' highground is just yet another flawed argument as well. A horribly flawed argument at that
The Vatican should GTFO, but we still want you to reason properly.
Nerusai 1 year ago 2
If they only demand that their priests live up to their standart, that's no problem, but they want to impose their standart on everybody else, that's a problem.
What other institution doesn't have to report cases of child abuse to law enforcement, but can settle the matter itself?
DeletedDelusion 1 year ago 2
@Dele
Different question altogether, which is ethically denounceable as well: it's not reasonable for them to impose that kind of standard on individuals at all. It's after all a non-relevant trait, one you can't pick at that.
Nerusai 1 year ago
Who could possibly be "shocked" by this?
SubmarinerAndroid 1 year ago
What a surprise! A gay catholic priest!!!
glyderau 1 year ago
Did they use condoms? lol
L0vethehater 1 year ago
And the Catholic church still claims that the bibble and christian faith is the source of morality?
They're running out of feet to shoot!
Sarge084 1 year ago 6
Baaa Haaa Haaaa
This is funny
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
Seriously, its like hearing that its raining outside this has become so common its expected.
rhatcher010 1 year ago
Damn, these god-types get more action than I do. Sad but true.
rhatcher010 1 year ago 3
I mean I really hate the Vatican/Catholic Church, but really...
so much entertainment value over the years.
Eastmanarium 1 year ago
Title should include the word "Another"
filorps 1 year ago 2
The Church teaches that rugged manly Jesus set up his own S&M session, comes quickly and doesn't use a condom!
But seriously - no children raped is progress!
thruthem 1 year ago 2
Maybe Christianity should just accept homosexuality as a part of Nature so there won't be any "scandal". And CNN will stay out of your sex life! Like the people interviewed said "who gives a fuck anymore". Just stop talking about them and let that organization act upon itself as any other private business. Opps, did I say business?, that means that they will have to relinquish their country status and a plethora of other things....but then they can fuck all the men they want!
buggfire 1 year ago
Jesus said the only way to God is through him.
Never realized it was to be interpreted as a sexual invitation.
Oh well the church knows best I guess.
DeityDestroyer 1 year ago 5
at least he didn't fuck kids.
AimiriZ 1 year ago 2
Who actually is surprised by this?
ericaj58 1 year ago
Very few
memrjohnno 1 year ago
Wow I cannot remember the last time I was surprised to hear about a Holey man sex scandal.
Mahoivlich 1 year ago
Heh, for the vatican, this is actually progress.
Eldritch78 1 year ago 3
ya at least they are adults this time.
MrSpaznout 1 year ago 3
When does the Catholic church -not- have a sex scandal?
IyotenX 1 year ago 2
LOL
farvision 1 year ago
I'm SHOCKED!
wafflethug 1 year ago
At least this time the church is fucking adults and not children.
HumanStrategy 1 year ago 3
Surprise!
hoodedmanxz 1 year ago
A gay 39 year old choir boy, gay? Who'd have guessed it!
Im4science 1 year ago 3
Am I the only person who thinks that about 50% of priests in the Roman Catholic church are gay? Btw, that's why almost all the sexual abuse incidents are with male teenagers who are sexually mature. There is another huge scale scandal being uncovered in Ireland right now, so what, I'm supposed to be shocked at a gay guy in the vatican? Sigh...
glennd7962 1 year ago
0:14 "a gentlemen of his holy-ness" ... what delicious irony!
It's no surprise that an organization that demands abstinence from women should attract those who aren't interested anyway, but it's always amusing to see holy-er than thou-s caught with their pants down, so to speak.
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