@FrancekPirosrancek Particularly useful if you have no aptitude with designing and building a switch mode 3 phase inverter or don't realise that you can buy a 3 phase converter off the shelf
if it worked it would be sold at wall mart ...Whenever you put an electrical load on a generator, it causes a counter-voltage and the magnetic field will slow down the generator. It actually puts a drag on the armature. That's how dynamic brakes work. Yeah, it will "perpetuate" itself...but as a feedback loop that you don't want. When the motor tries to turn and draws current from the generator, it will slow down the generator, which then slows down the motor, etc.... learn ohm's law
@Zoomtronic1 I think he is muttering something about generating a 3 phase supply for some bullshit hydrolysis machine so it get even worse. If I can extend on your analysis
Noisiest, lest efficient, highest maintenance way to convert electric energy into mechanical energy, into chemical energy, into mechanical energy and back into electrical with no practical gain.
He also got the gear ratio calculations wrong. The ratio is determined by the circumference of the pulleys, not the diameters
Question: Let's say you ran it off a car battery, and ran another alternator to the car battery to keep charging the battery which in turn keeps the system going and going?
well the trick to getting this right is not letting current go back into the alternator because then you get resistens from it and it tends to go in the opposite direction
@llewgnal There is no economic reason of building of this type of device. The power consumption through engine does not make up got power from alternator.
@crf450rvta that "LIL ALT" as you so "yellingly" put it, puts out a lot of current...maybe he wants to make an "on the cheap" arc welder or something - high voltage, low current motor driving a high current, low voltage alternator. Electricity does not equal electricity. Do you remember that story about what happens when you "open your mouth and remove all doubts", well...
wait, an alternater still creates power in ac right? it's the polyphase rectifier on the back of the alternater that convertes it to dc, so really you could just put another 1/2 horse moter on the other side with a rectifier and you would not have to excite anything, because the motor would be solid state.
don't you need to exite the rotor coils to get a voltage out? alternators do not have magnets inside and require the rotar to be energized. that's why my welding generator didn't work.
@fairyheli2 How does it work in an automobile then ? All car alternators have magnets in them, they wouldn't work otherwise. Some do need a battery and external control box to excite the field coils.
@fairyheli2 There are several designs of alternator, but generally, the field coils are fed with a current (not a voltage BTW as a point of distinction) in order to create a field. Dynamos used to use a permanent magnet field but this was far less efficient and thus gave way to the alternator by the early 1970's. Would your welder not have worked by including a small 12V battery I wonder ?
@g7txu it probably would have, but the engine I had was only one that was given to me and now the valves are burnt out, also I don't think that that engine was powerful enough (2.5hp). I have a lot of 12v batteries now so I could have done that
Friend what do i need to buy for a electricla motor of 1 phace,can work in 2 speeds, low speeds and a high speed? the electric motor model is 189D1753P008 it is a motor from automatic washing machine (it is out of the automatic washing) thx for help me
Actually spinning a 220 3 phase delta or wye wound motor with a 110 or 220 single phase is a common way to make a phase converter for larger or many older machines such as large/old lathes/mills or various saws.
@shoprat17 It was the case 20 years ago. In these times you can but a relatively cheap unit which will generate a 3 phase supply from a single phase supply. Case closed.
@g7txu if you buy a phase converter you'll see solid state ones and "rotary ones" only the rotaries (like what i explained before) offer a 100% duty cycle and offer higher amp ratings (seems most solid states go up to 10-15 amps)
somebody help please!!!....i just don't wanna die with my idea. i believe i can couple some devices that will work to generate electricity without using any crude oil recipes. this compound device will work on it's own to generate electricity by using very small amount of the electricity it produces. i've been waiting until i get money to begin my hypothesis but i think the money won't come so soon and i don't wanna die with the idea.
@3089280288 Your embarrassing yourself even asking for an explanation. This is not a 'free energy' machine. Even if it were, you can't dismiss Lenz's law just because you are using some whacko magnetic coupling gizmo.
@g7txu finally someone else with sense no such thing as free energy. even solar isn't free, well you don't pay for the rays but it is a limited source of power it will run out.
@MrEpicfab I think we've got another 2 million years or so before the sun starts making the oceans boil, but yes, PVs have an initial investment cost and lose their effectiveness over time.
I built a very similar unit using a 1/2 HP craftsman motor 1720 RPM, and the same style alternator, the motor heats up! I think it's too much load for it. I even tried a smaller pulley to underdrive the unit, and that helped, but still gets too hot to last very long.
I'm going to try a 1 1/2 HP 3400 RPM and a 1 to 1 pulley ratio. I want this thing to be able to run 24 hours without over heating.
@Pinups2Showboats I dont wana sound stupid or nothing, But dont alternators put out 12v? But anyways what i was thinking while watching this video was get a DC-ac converter wire it up to the Alternator And put a switching system so after motor is at top speed you can switch the power source to the motor and have it run off alternators power so it would be self sufficent, would that work?
@viprk24OC It will work, but you will have to use a voltage regulator of some kind. As you increase power to the fields, the alternator becomes harder to spin. and it will always make more power than it is being fed. Therefore an unregulated alternator feeding its self will create a snow ball affect. till the motor can't spin it. If you have a giant motor that can overpower that snowball affect the alternator will continue to make more and more power till in burns up.
@Pinups2Showboats No what i think you should do it Hook a Car battery up to the motor Motor runs amp, And the amp runs car battery. Get a DC-AC converter from wally world for like 25-40$ and There you go.
@viprk24OC Batteries are expensive and go bad when not used. I already built it using a power supply from a desktop computer that I picked up for 5 bucks, then I used and old variable resistor from the instrument lights of a car to regulate the feed to the alternator. I already had 95% of this stuff and only invested about 10 bucks in the whole thing. I'm using it for electrolosis rust removal and it works great! I have an engine block out there right now that looks like a giant Alka-Seltzer
BTW, high torque motors like hand held drills CAN turn Alternators. Ideally, you want the Alternator to spin up to it's peak RPM of where it makes it's most amperage. Depending on it's slope (think of it as a powerband on a car engine) is where it makes most of it's amperage.
On another note, if you buy some big 4000 watt invertor (like what's a most truck stops) you *might* be able to use that to run an AC motor instead of a DC to turn the Alternator. Then Alternator keeps battery charged, and you'd just run other inverters to power other electronics. Gotta use like 2 gauge wire for DC stuff. Jumper cables make cheap canidates :)
Using an AC motor negates the effect due to needing AC power. Basically it's the same setup a car has, minus using a gas engine to kick everything off. If you had a small area in a basement, with multiple batteries and a healthy motor, I believe it's entirely possible to say #@$% you to the electric company :) During a power outages, I've run an extension cord to a stand alone 400 watt converter hooked up to my car, and watched TV :)
If you want TRULY free energy, get a 12v+ car battery (more volts = faster a DC motor will run), get a DC motor capable of a couple HP+, get a DC to AC power inverter.
So, Battery powers DC motor which turns Alternator, which powers Battery. It's a complete cycle. Then run a power invertor to convert the DC current to house hold AC. On a big enough scale, I believe you could power a house like this. Always wanted to test, but DC motors aren't cheap.
Ok, just spinning an alternator takes little energy while it produces nothing giving a couple situations: 1. Alt needs a pos+ 12v current to turn on while grounded casing is neg-, 2. Some Alt need a min. speed to kick "on". Once the alternator gets the hot signal to produce current, it takes considerably more energy to turn. You'll need a couple HP 2-5 depending on AMP rating of alt. Try like 40 amp alt.
kinda of a waste of time and money dont you think? I mean you can get a 1 phase to 3 phase transformer for a lot less money then what you spent to build this, plus its more efficint too. uses less power to run.
Hey, here's a deep thought - in physics, you can't waste 1 joule to get 2 joules out of nothing, right? But at the stock exchange you can trade 1 dollar for 2! So why doesn't anybody try to build a "perpetuum mobile" based on MONEY?
Dear sir what would happen when you increase the load, this motor will get jam.. do you have any solution for that? There is noise, which motor you will suggest kindly help me.. also tell me that in the case of load megalithic field will get down the speed of motor.. in the case of increasing the RPM are we able to take our exact reading.. please advise me.. The AC motor will take amp lots then DC motor which you will advise to use in my project. I am looking lowest consumption with half AC powr
@sys22kh I wanted to go from 120 volt motor to a 240 volt motor with more hp. It would give double the hp and cut amps by more than half possibly, the motor I used was to small. Hope this helps.
troydhansen what you just wrote is harder to do then say,i have been trying ,do you have a vid .to show your working model?if not then theres somthing to try..
If he used an ac generator instead of the dc alternator,he could have closed the loop and have ou.also known as a rotoverter.Very easy to run,just need a 120v ac to start then switch to generator power and it will run forever until a mechanical failure.if you get the pulley ratios right then you'll also have enough extra Power to charge batteries or run power tools,Thanks keep it up!
what if you hook a Deep Cycle Battery Bank, a Charge Regulator and an Inverter to the Alternator to convert DC to AC and supply the motor at the same time?
@Ionian1006 you're confusing the area with circumference. area has nothing to do with it in this setup. so instead of pixradius squared its actually 2xpixradius, which actually would be a 2 to 1 ratio in this case.
bueno creo que esa no es la idea sino la sutentavilidad a que se quiere llegar que es el fin de todo proyecto creo que primero debemos de mejorar el motor de trabajo es decir hacerlo trabajar a muy bajo amperios para poder enganchar el alternador y cambiar de generador a uno que tenga menos restencia de generacion y se logre enganchas saludos
i think its an alternator tester, to check and see what your alternator is doing when off the car. I mean you can buy a 12 volt power supply at radio shack for like 20 bucks, and it is a lot quieter than all that.
@llewgnal I've been working on doing this too, during my research I noticed that alternator manufactures test alternators at 6000 rpm, which is roughly 1500-2000 rpm of the cars engine at crusing speed... but there susposto be able to handle somthing like 9000 rpm with the field inactive
@bill71183 Alternators originally were made to replace generators, because of rush hour traffic,a generator depends on higher rpm, setting at idle they can't charge efficiently, soyreplaced it with alterator tat chares efficetly at idle and can take the high rpm's as well.
heyy can the alternator be used to charge a battery??? and then this system be used to power a car audio at home... the aim is actually to use your socket current to power car audio so will it work?? emm say you have a 120 amp battery and a 45 or 60 amp aternator .... so would it maintain 14.4 voltage?? will it over charge the battery?? plz do reply this is what i was thinkn to built and then i found your video!!!! and yes how many rpm to set the alternator on?? like in the car the rpms vary..
i have a solution to generate more energy out than the 40% max vs input out. use a large dc motor as a generator and place a relay on the generator output between generator and load. use a large flywheel to get inertia reduce loss. now you chould have a variable output maybe 60 to 70% effiency vs input. only use a motor half as powerful as your generator.
Ok now what if you got a car battery and a power inverter, hook the power inverter to the car battery along with the alternator charging the battery, then plug your electric motor in to the power inverter. Would that not be free energy??
@venom8343 funny you said that. A guy ask if we had a power inverter that could be plug'd into the cig lighter. I said yes.....then I ask for what did he need it for,we had a couple models. He wanted it for a car battery charger....How much draw did it have, I ask? He didn't know off hand. Asking further he told me he wanted to charge the car battery in the car while driving .....because it didn't stayed charged. After my co-worker started to cry,and fear laughing out load stepped to the back
@venom8343 I have been thinking the same thing and I am stumped on 2 things. 1st is that there isnt enough juice for the LRA. In order to start inertia you will see a spike in the amperage and the draw on the motor is intense until the RLA windings take over. My best solution for that was a DC volt VFD (variable frequency drive) motor that you could ramp up to speed, and starting with a fully charged 24v DC Battery.
Would like to know what would happen if you changed the alternator to a 10kw or 20 kw permanent magnet generator(PMG), but having the motor connected to the PMG by way of a 6 bolt faceplate and doing away with the belt??
I would have thought you would need a bigger motor, anyway interesting project you have there
@badlittlemonkey73 Yes If I ever go back into this , I would run a larger motor @ 220 volts, and a direct drive, but that still brings you back to useing brut force amps to generate hho, there are better ways I beleave,,,
mi estimado amigo te envio un saludos kra yo estoy haciendo los mismo he hecho un sistema con una eje y 4 estrellas paso 40 con cadena y le puse un motor modificado con imanes de neodimio con muy poca resistencia de generación me da 220vca con 2 fases modvido con 2 motoress de media hp y al de ncanchar un motor del msimo tipo no engancha pero si tengo muncho bolaje escribeme para ponernos en contacto mi correo es ilumina33@hotmail.com
mi estimado amigo te envió un saludos kra yo estoy haciendo los mismo he hecho un sistema con una eje y 4 estrellas paso 40 con cadena y le puse un motor modificado con imanes de neodimio con muy poca resistencia de generación me da 220vca con 2 fases modvido con 2 motoress de media hp y al de enganchar un motor del mismo tipo no engancha pero si tengo muncho bolaje escribeme para ponernos en contacto mi correo es ilumina33@hotmail.com
@pivotboy63 I think the point is to get high amprage DC without buying a $1000 power supply, not only that... if he removes the regulator from the alternator and puts a variac in place he"ll be able to rase voltage and lower amprage... it becomes a very wide ranged DC power supply
@pivotboy63 I had to revise my earlier post to clarify. If you are depending on solar power with a battery bank, this type of setup could give you many more hours of electricity than you use with a generator. There are very few, or very expensive high output 12 volt charges. Some will claim 55amps (such as one at wal-mart for $98), but the fine print will state that amperage only for 160 seconds before slowing rate down. If at your house with land power, not likely good. in an RV, could benefit.
@pivotboy63 Yeah but this experiment takes in less electricity to produce a continuous flow of electricity. It's kind of like it takes gas to move gas. Does that defeat the purpose? Duh...... that's how energy works
Stanley Allen Meyer used a DEREGULATED alternator as an "Amp Inhibiting Device" to restrict amp flow. If you look at WFC Memo 420 DA, which can be found by searching for "International Independent Test Evaluation Report PDF" on Google, on page 1-10 (Figure 10XA: Rotary Pulse - Voltage Frequency Generator) you will see a schematic diagram. Your half way there. Good luck.
Their really is no point in this, the energy required to operate the motor would be more than what the alternator would produce, its basically a transformer, in put AC, out put DC. except this way is very inefficient.
@MsBLINK182LOVER I was going to make hho with it, never followed up on it to much , check out my three phase cell for hho. Some people have had great results with the alternator setup for hho, as Stan Meyers did.
I was being polite and humorous at the same time thinking it was better than to refer to people as yourself as dumbasses.
MrEd1220 6 days ago
and this is for what??? you could just spin an alternator with your hand whats this for??
1wicked2008 1 week ago
@1wicked2008 Go easy on him, he's from the South
g7txu 1 week ago
hi thanks for answer and i have 1 more cuestion how many amps u can make whit this motor and the alternator
elcomandante31able 1 week ago
where i can get this ?
TheNGGC 1 week ago
this is useful if you want 3 phase acv
FrancekPirosrancek 2 weeks ago
@FrancekPirosrancek Particularly useful if you have no aptitude with designing and building a switch mode 3 phase inverter or don't realise that you can buy a 3 phase converter off the shelf
g7txu 1 week ago
good idea i like it
MrGilbert2001 2 weeks ago
hi nice video i would like to conec 2 hp electric motor with 2 car alternator did you tik that will b work?
elcomandante31able 2 weeks ago
@elcomandante31able probably would work with one alternator, 2 may be to much.
llewgnal 2 weeks ago
@llewgnal too
g7txu 6 days ago
This has been flagged as spam show
if it worked it would be sold at wall mart ...Whenever you put an electrical load on a generator, it causes a counter-voltage and the magnetic field will slow down the generator. It actually puts a drag on the armature. That's how dynamic brakes work. Yeah, it will "perpetuate" itself...but as a feedback loop that you don't want. When the motor tries to turn and draws current from the generator, it will slow down the generator, which then slows down the motor, etc.... learn ohm's law
MrEpicfab 4 days ago
I Love The Video It Can Increase My Knowledge Maxflow 3 phase alternator mounted with 1/2 hp electric motor
ownerheard 3 weeks ago
@ownerheard Thanx
llewgnal 3 weeks ago
Good, I like that you share this video, I wish success always Maxflow 3 phase alternator mounted with 1/2 hp electric motor
ayamsory 3 weeks ago
Nice Video That You Share , So Very Nice Thanks You Maxflow 3 phase alternator mounted with 1/2 hp electric motor
Destayear 3 weeks ago
I Really Like The Video From Your Maxflow 3 phase alternator mounted with 1/2 hp electric motor
cTianroy 3 weeks ago
Your Video Is Very Useful Sharing Maxflow 3 phase alternator mounted with 1/2 hp electric motor
anakmudajaman 3 weeks ago
could you mod the alternator to a PMA and get more power out of it? also would need for a battery to power the alternator
shadowkn1ght 1 month ago
@shadowkn1ght not sure, maybe just a different kind of electricity, D.C. ?
depends what you want to do with the electricity, this was made to run a three phase hho cell, D.C.
llewgnal 1 month ago
@llewgnal i meant no need for a battery to run the alt. typo.
shadowkn1ght 1 month ago
simplest way to convert electric energy into mechanic energy and back with no reason
Zoomtronic1 2 months ago 5
This has been flagged as spam show
@Zoomtronic1 I think he is muttering something about generating a 3 phase supply for some bullshit hydrolysis machine so it get even worse. If I can extend on your analysis
Noisiest, lest efficient, highest maintenance way to convert electric energy into mechanical energy, into chemical energy, into mechanical energy and back into electrical with no practical gain.
He also got the gear ratio calculations wrong. The ratio is determined by the circumference of the pulleys, not the diameters
g7txu 1 week ago
@Zoomtronic1 i think the purpose of device is to go from 1 phase to 3 phase also from ac to dc
livdinion 2 days ago
Question: Let's say you ran it off a car battery, and ran another alternator to the car battery to keep charging the battery which in turn keeps the system going and going?
GoodTimesChopShop 2 months ago
@GoodTimesChopShop No free lunch , yet,,,
llewgnal 2 months ago
@llewgnal and no cigar
g7txu 6 days ago
I assume you would add in an inverter and 3 or 4 deep cycle marine batteries? Would the inverter produce enough juice to power up the motor?
jtnoodle 2 months ago
@jtnoodle maybe for awhile it could but would not keep up eventually.
llewgnal 2 months ago
well the trick to getting this right is not letting current go back into the alternator because then you get resistens from it and it tends to go in the opposite direction
TheSaltysack 2 months ago
Facet nagadałeś sie a nic nie pokazałeś. Pewnie w domu nie masz nic do powiedzenia.
WandTosz 3 months ago
@WandTosz Sorry do not speak Polish
llewgnal 3 months ago
@llewgnal There is no economic reason of building of this type of device. The power consumption through engine does not make up got power from alternator.
WandTosz 3 months ago 2
@WandTosz Right.
llewgnal 3 months ago
nice video 1 cuestion how long the alternator take to fully charge a 4 batteries
elcomandante31able 3 months ago
Another Video illustration that might be true or disputable as a Toy & Video Clip.
But not in a position to manufacture Generator System that needs no Fuel, Sun or Wind to Supply Electricity such as:
Shahin Electro Magnet Generator System
Whenever Electricity is needed with no Extra Costs to get Electricity.
For further information see:
Web: shahin-kadir.diytrade.com
Youtube:
- youtube.com/watch?v=JNW0ZyiVC20
- youtube.com/watch?v=7Z5nrA_8uTs
- youtube.com/watch?v=llJkasfo_q0
ShahinGenerator 3 months ago
i want to buy wind generator alternator 5kw can you suggest where it will sell
vinayaksz 3 months ago
@vinayaksz I have never bought one,sorry.
llewgnal 3 months ago
@vinayaksz wrong thread
g7txu 6 days ago
This has been flagged as spam show
You can now watch the explanation on why my engine system is super-efficient by watching the following videos:
1.) Principles That Makes My Engine SUPER-EFFICIENT ( Part 1)
2.) Principles That Makes My Engine SUPER-EFFICIENT ( Part 2)
3.) Principles That Makes My Engine SUPER-EFFICIENT ( Part 3)
4.) Principles That Makes My Engine SUPER-EFFICIENT ( Part 4)
died4hislove 3 months ago
IF YOU HAVE AND ELECTRICAL SOURCE TURNING A MOTOR WHY DO YOU NEED THAT LIL ALT FOR............
crf450rvta 4 months ago
@crf450rvta that "LIL ALT" as you so "yellingly" put it, puts out a lot of current...maybe he wants to make an "on the cheap" arc welder or something - high voltage, low current motor driving a high current, low voltage alternator. Electricity does not equal electricity. Do you remember that story about what happens when you "open your mouth and remove all doubts", well...
TacticalGunGuy 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
generateur discoide 24 V site weeb discoide1451
discoide1451 4 months ago
wait, an alternater still creates power in ac right? it's the polyphase rectifier on the back of the alternater that convertes it to dc, so really you could just put another 1/2 horse moter on the other side with a rectifier and you would not have to excite anything, because the motor would be solid state.
dksmokestacks 4 months ago
@dksmokestacks makes no sense
g7txu 6 days ago
@ pivotboy63 Not if you have solar power, think about it.
fjsiding 5 months ago
don't you need to exite the rotor coils to get a voltage out? alternators do not have magnets inside and require the rotar to be energized. that's why my welding generator didn't work.
fairyheli2 5 months ago 3
@fairyheli2 Yes, they are excited
llewgnal 5 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@llewgnal Hi , i have a used american mid size car alternator, not modify, how many watts DC or AC the out put can be, about ?? Thks
energyalt56 4 months ago
@fairyheli2 All that you would have to do is supply the Armature or Stator with 8 1.5v (12v) batteries and that would be enough...
crazy77iii 4 months ago
@fairyheli2 in the description it says modified alternator so im guessing its a PMA and not a regular one
shadowkn1ght 1 month ago
@fairyheli2 ok my bad didnt watch the vid fully
shadowkn1ght 1 month ago
@fairyheli2 How does it work in an automobile then ? All car alternators have magnets in them, they wouldn't work otherwise. Some do need a battery and external control box to excite the field coils.
g7txu 1 week ago
@g7txu no permanent magnets, the battery provides the voltage to the rotor which means the aternators stator output can be controlled
fairyheli2 6 days ago
@fairyheli2 There are several designs of alternator, but generally, the field coils are fed with a current (not a voltage BTW as a point of distinction) in order to create a field. Dynamos used to use a permanent magnet field but this was far less efficient and thus gave way to the alternator by the early 1970's. Would your welder not have worked by including a small 12V battery I wonder ?
g7txu 6 days ago
@g7txu it probably would have, but the engine I had was only one that was given to me and now the valves are burnt out, also I don't think that that engine was powerful enough (2.5hp). I have a lot of 12v batteries now so I could have done that
fairyheli2 6 days ago
Friend what do i need to buy for a electricla motor of 1 phace,can work in 2 speeds, low speeds and a high speed? the electric motor model is 189D1753P008 it is a motor from automatic washing machine (it is out of the automatic washing) thx for help me
Pacoelo 5 months ago in playlist ROTORI
@Pacoelo Not a very strong motor, the 1/2 hp I used heated up fast, would go with 1.5 hp 220 volts direct drive coupling.
llewgnal 5 months ago
Actually spinning a 220 3 phase delta or wye wound motor with a 110 or 220 single phase is a common way to make a phase converter for larger or many older machines such as large/old lathes/mills or various saws.
shoprat17 5 months ago in playlist ROTORI
@shoprat17 It was the case 20 years ago. In these times you can but a relatively cheap unit which will generate a 3 phase supply from a single phase supply. Case closed.
g7txu 6 days ago
@g7txu if you buy a phase converter you'll see solid state ones and "rotary ones" only the rotaries (like what i explained before) offer a 100% duty cycle and offer higher amp ratings (seems most solid states go up to 10-15 amps)
shoprat17 6 days ago
I like your video. Helped me consider some things.
Ignore the R-tards bellowing about useless electricity
to make electricity,
They must be 15 yet and get an allowance from mommy
and daddy still, and don't realize you didn't have to
buy a $300 dollar arc welder, Instead using stuff you had
lying about already like those of us actually looking
for this info.
And yes, you sound like Sam Elliot :)
MrEd1220 5 months ago
@MrEd1220 To do it again, I would use a direct drive coupling and a 1.5 hp 220 motor.
Thanx
llewgnal 5 months ago
@MrEd1220 If you use terms like 'R-tards' you must be all of 16
g7txu 6 days ago
ok what is the purpose of this video .Give details. ok the generator turns the alternator
and so what!. what is the consumption of the generation and what we get from the alternator. I can also send a video like this!.
MALEXIOU1 5 months ago
@MALEXIOU1 Do it, show us what you got.
llewgnal 5 months ago
@llewgnal you are very smart or!
MALEXIOU1 5 months ago
are you Sam Elliott? lol
coolerow 6 months ago
@coolerow LOL, ha ha ha . No , had to look him up in fact to see who you were talking about, the actor.
Gary
llewgnal 6 months ago
@coolerow i think silvester stalone. haha! just kiddin man =D
joemil130 5 months ago
somebody help please!!!....i just don't wanna die with my idea. i believe i can couple some devices that will work to generate electricity without using any crude oil recipes. this compound device will work on it's own to generate electricity by using very small amount of the electricity it produces. i've been waiting until i get money to begin my hypothesis but i think the money won't come so soon and i don't wanna die with the idea.
rolandiko 6 months ago
@rolandiko Use magnetic coupling device from motor to generator. There's no friction that way.
3089280288 6 months ago
@3089280288 idiot
g7txu 6 days ago
@g7txu You are mr. fucking know it all with no explantion right? The same to you.
3089280288 6 days ago
@3089280288 Your embarrassing yourself even asking for an explanation. This is not a 'free energy' machine. Even if it were, you can't dismiss Lenz's law just because you are using some whacko magnetic coupling gizmo.
g7txu 3 days ago
@g7txu finally someone else with sense no such thing as free energy. even solar isn't free, well you don't pay for the rays but it is a limited source of power it will run out.
MrEpicfab 3 days ago
@MrEpicfab I think we've got another 2 million years or so before the sun starts making the oceans boil, but yes, PVs have an initial investment cost and lose their effectiveness over time.
g7txu 3 days ago
@rolandiko No, please feel free to die with your idea. I would consider it natural selection.
g7txu 6 days ago
I built a very similar unit using a 1/2 HP craftsman motor 1720 RPM, and the same style alternator, the motor heats up! I think it's too much load for it. I even tried a smaller pulley to underdrive the unit, and that helped, but still gets too hot to last very long.
I'm going to try a 1 1/2 HP 3400 RPM and a 1 to 1 pulley ratio. I want this thing to be able to run 24 hours without over heating.
Pinups2Showboats 6 months ago
@Pinups2Showboats Also use 220 volts if available, the amp draw will be much less.
GARY
llewgnal 6 months ago
@Pinups2Showboats I dont wana sound stupid or nothing, But dont alternators put out 12v? But anyways what i was thinking while watching this video was get a DC-ac converter wire it up to the Alternator And put a switching system so after motor is at top speed you can switch the power source to the motor and have it run off alternators power so it would be self sufficent, would that work?
viprk24OC 6 months ago
@viprk24OC It will work, but you will have to use a voltage regulator of some kind. As you increase power to the fields, the alternator becomes harder to spin. and it will always make more power than it is being fed. Therefore an unregulated alternator feeding its self will create a snow ball affect. till the motor can't spin it. If you have a giant motor that can overpower that snowball affect the alternator will continue to make more and more power till in burns up.
Pinups2Showboats 6 months ago
@Pinups2Showboats No what i think you should do it Hook a Car battery up to the motor Motor runs amp, And the amp runs car battery. Get a DC-AC converter from wally world for like 25-40$ and There you go.
viprk24OC 6 months ago
@viprk24OC Batteries are expensive and go bad when not used. I already built it using a power supply from a desktop computer that I picked up for 5 bucks, then I used and old variable resistor from the instrument lights of a car to regulate the feed to the alternator. I already had 95% of this stuff and only invested about 10 bucks in the whole thing. I'm using it for electrolosis rust removal and it works great! I have an engine block out there right now that looks like a giant Alka-Seltzer
Pinups2Showboats 6 months ago
@Pinups2Showboats Good deal, nice work.
Gary
llewgnal 6 months ago
@Pinups2Showboats Yea man just make sure when you use those pc powersupplys you arent drawing more than it can put out or ull start a fire lol.
viprk24OC 6 months ago
BTW, high torque motors like hand held drills CAN turn Alternators. Ideally, you want the Alternator to spin up to it's peak RPM of where it makes it's most amperage. Depending on it's slope (think of it as a powerband on a car engine) is where it makes most of it's amperage.
CarpathianCarl 7 months ago
@CarpathianCarl Yes a direct coupled motor , get rid of the pulleys and belts , 2hp @ 240 volts, would help.
Gary
llewgnal 7 months ago
On another note, if you buy some big 4000 watt invertor (like what's a most truck stops) you *might* be able to use that to run an AC motor instead of a DC to turn the Alternator. Then Alternator keeps battery charged, and you'd just run other inverters to power other electronics. Gotta use like 2 gauge wire for DC stuff. Jumper cables make cheap canidates :)
CarpathianCarl 7 months ago
Using an AC motor negates the effect due to needing AC power. Basically it's the same setup a car has, minus using a gas engine to kick everything off. If you had a small area in a basement, with multiple batteries and a healthy motor, I believe it's entirely possible to say #@$% you to the electric company :) During a power outages, I've run an extension cord to a stand alone 400 watt converter hooked up to my car, and watched TV :)
CarpathianCarl 7 months ago
If you want TRULY free energy, get a 12v+ car battery (more volts = faster a DC motor will run), get a DC motor capable of a couple HP+, get a DC to AC power inverter.
So, Battery powers DC motor which turns Alternator, which powers Battery. It's a complete cycle. Then run a power invertor to convert the DC current to house hold AC. On a big enough scale, I believe you could power a house like this. Always wanted to test, but DC motors aren't cheap.
CarpathianCarl 7 months ago
Ok, just spinning an alternator takes little energy while it produces nothing giving a couple situations: 1. Alt needs a pos+ 12v current to turn on while grounded casing is neg-, 2. Some Alt need a min. speed to kick "on". Once the alternator gets the hot signal to produce current, it takes considerably more energy to turn. You'll need a couple HP 2-5 depending on AMP rating of alt. Try like 40 amp alt.
CarpathianCarl 7 months ago
kinda of a waste of time and money dont you think? I mean you can get a 1 phase to 3 phase transformer for a lot less money then what you spent to build this, plus its more efficint too. uses less power to run.
1crazyfocker 7 months ago
Hey, here's a deep thought - in physics, you can't waste 1 joule to get 2 joules out of nothing, right? But at the stock exchange you can trade 1 dollar for 2! So why doesn't anybody try to build a "perpetuum mobile" based on MONEY?
oguretsagressive 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
sys22kh@gmail.com
sys22kh 8 months ago
Please sir mail me and help me.
sys22kh 8 months ago
Dear sir what would happen when you increase the load, this motor will get jam.. do you have any solution for that? There is noise, which motor you will suggest kindly help me.. also tell me that in the case of load megalithic field will get down the speed of motor.. in the case of increasing the RPM are we able to take our exact reading.. please advise me.. The AC motor will take amp lots then DC motor which you will advise to use in my project. I am looking lowest consumption with half AC powr
sys22kh 8 months ago
@sys22kh I wanted to go from 120 volt motor to a 240 volt motor with more hp. It would give double the hp and cut amps by more than half possibly, the motor I used was to small. Hope this helps.
Gary
llewgnal 8 months ago
Are you going to sell this unit?
Milwaukeenights 8 months ago
@Milwaukeenights Negative. All open source.
llewgnal 8 months ago
If I replace the engine with a fan, I wonder if I could make the fan a lot more efficient by having it use its own energy.
rysterf8 8 months ago
Where r output connections of the alternator?? Make your tests on load and dont forget the conservation of energy law dude!!
srzn 8 months ago
i dont get it what is this for?
SPEKERDUDE 8 months ago
@SPEKERDUDE It was made to run my 3 phase hho cell.
llewgnal 8 months ago
troydhansen what you just wrote is harder to do then say,i have been trying ,do you have a vid .to show your working model?if not then theres somthing to try..
joepanable 9 months ago
that voice is lika fart
rodstartube 9 months ago
If he used an ac generator instead of the dc alternator,he could have closed the loop and have ou.also known as a rotoverter.Very easy to run,just need a 120v ac to start then switch to generator power and it will run forever until a mechanical failure.if you get the pulley ratios right then you'll also have enough extra Power to charge batteries or run power tools,Thanks keep it up!
troydhansen 9 months ago
welcome to Marlboro country
MrPinaka 9 months ago 20
@MrPinaka i like your answer cool!
MALEXIOU1 5 months ago
you should call it omms law =3
xoxoXoieoxox 9 months ago
how to stop this motor??
thucheng 9 months ago
a 120 amps alternator to feed a 7 amps electric motor though an inverter and a battery bank?? It is possible, why not?.
metalpr1980 9 months ago
@metalpr1980 Yes
llewgnal 9 months ago
@metalpr1980 Just turn it off.
llewgnal 9 months ago
@TheWoodWerker
don't be that hard with the guy, at least he understands English...do you understand Spanish?
metalpr1980 9 months ago
what if you hook a Deep Cycle Battery Bank, a Charge Regulator and an Inverter to the Alternator to convert DC to AC and supply the motor at the same time?
metalpr1980 9 months ago
BUILD A FEW AND CHARGE YOUR POWER COMPANY
hellzone100 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Can you all take a look at The New And Improved Generator ?
TheRealDealinlife 9 months ago
4" to 2" is not = to twice the speed. PiXRadius squared. Work it out
Ionian1006 10 months ago
@Ionian1006 you're confusing the area with circumference. area has nothing to do with it in this setup. so instead of pixradius squared its actually 2xpixradius, which actually would be a 2 to 1 ratio in this case.
SoftulMic 9 months ago
Respected sir,
i have one alternator 24volt 50amp 1400rpm . plz inform this can work with 1/2HP motor. if not plz inform what kind of motor can run this..
shafiqcml 10 months ago
i thInk u should run the alternator in reverse to power the starter in reverse, and itll gives u more effe3ncy
but then again, i have no ldeal what is going on
looks like a cool experiment though
atomrocketcar 10 months ago
It was supposed to represent an automobile chargeing system.
Gary
llewgnal 10 months ago
bueno creo que esa no es la idea sino la sutentavilidad a que se quiere llegar que es el fin de todo proyecto creo que primero debemos de mejorar el motor de trabajo es decir hacerlo trabajar a muy bajo amperios para poder enganchar el alternador y cambiar de generador a uno que tenga menos restencia de generacion y se logre enganchas saludos
regiomontano50 11 months ago
@regiomontano50 Good Luck
Gary
llewgnal 11 months ago
i think its an alternator tester, to check and see what your alternator is doing when off the car. I mean you can buy a 12 volt power supply at radio shack for like 20 bucks, and it is a lot quieter than all that.
termite289 11 months ago
sound sleepy ........
coolpreme 11 months ago
If you needed 3 phase power instead of single phase, maybe for a welding machine, it would be practical i suppose.
CAUSTICCOMMANDO569 11 months ago
@ujayet You would need about 7.5 amps @120 volts inverted from solar panels.
Gary
llewgnal 11 months ago
...form 1000 to 7000 so what should be the average rpm that u should set it at home thanxxxx and thumbs up!!
siddiqiarsalan 11 months ago
@siddiqiarsalan Think it's a 2 to 1 over drive so it would be twice 1750 or so.
llewgnal 11 months ago
@llewgnal thanxx
siddiqiarsalan 11 months ago
@llewgnal I've been working on doing this too, during my research I noticed that alternator manufactures test alternators at 6000 rpm, which is roughly 1500-2000 rpm of the cars engine at crusing speed... but there susposto be able to handle somthing like 9000 rpm with the field inactive
bill71183 11 months ago
@bill71183 Alternators originally were made to replace generators, because of rush hour traffic,a generator depends on higher rpm, setting at idle they can't charge efficiently, soyreplaced it with alterator tat chares efficetly at idle and can take the high rpm's as well.
Gary
llewgnal 11 months ago
heyy can the alternator be used to charge a battery??? and then this system be used to power a car audio at home... the aim is actually to use your socket current to power car audio so will it work?? emm say you have a 120 amp battery and a 45 or 60 amp aternator .... so would it maintain 14.4 voltage?? will it over charge the battery?? plz do reply this is what i was thinkn to built and then i found your video!!!! and yes how many rpm to set the alternator on?? like in the car the rpms vary..
siddiqiarsalan 11 months ago
i have a solution to generate more energy out than the 40% max vs input out. use a large dc motor as a generator and place a relay on the generator output between generator and load. use a large flywheel to get inertia reduce loss. now you chould have a variable output maybe 60 to 70% effiency vs input. only use a motor half as powerful as your generator.
coldarc 1 year ago
How many amps does the motor use with no load on the alternator?
thecrism1 1 year ago
and this is supposed to be used in what?
bazengao 1 year ago
Ok now what if you got a car battery and a power inverter, hook the power inverter to the car battery along with the alternator charging the battery, then plug your electric motor in to the power inverter. Would that not be free energy??
venom8343 1 year ago
@venom8343 funny you said that. A guy ask if we had a power inverter that could be plug'd into the cig lighter. I said yes.....then I ask for what did he need it for,we had a couple models. He wanted it for a car battery charger....How much draw did it have, I ask? He didn't know off hand. Asking further he told me he wanted to charge the car battery in the car while driving .....because it didn't stayed charged. After my co-worker started to cry,and fear laughing out load stepped to the back
1REDDAWN13 1 year ago
@venom8343 I have been thinking the same thing and I am stumped on 2 things. 1st is that there isnt enough juice for the LRA. In order to start inertia you will see a spike in the amperage and the draw on the motor is intense until the RLA windings take over. My best solution for that was a DC volt VFD (variable frequency drive) motor that you could ramp up to speed, and starting with a fully charged 24v DC Battery.
nicksram4x4 1 year ago
If you have an electric compressor (or petrol one) and a spare alternator, I guess you could use it to make a very cheap powerful DC power supply.
intheshitter 1 year ago
You sound like Barry White!
MrZeddy100 1 year ago
Would like to know what would happen if you changed the alternator to a 10kw or 20 kw permanent magnet generator(PMG), but having the motor connected to the PMG by way of a 6 bolt faceplate and doing away with the belt??
I would have thought you would need a bigger motor, anyway interesting project you have there
badlittlemonkey73 1 year ago
@badlittlemonkey73 Yes If I ever go back into this , I would run a larger motor @ 220 volts, and a direct drive, but that still brings you back to useing brut force amps to generate hho, there are better ways I beleave,,,
Thanx
Gary
llewgnal 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
mi estimado amigo te envio un saludos kra yo estoy haciendo los mismo he hecho un sistema con una eje y 4 estrellas paso 40 con cadena y le puse un motor modificado con imanes de neodimio con muy poca resistencia de generación me da 220vca con 2 fases modvido con 2 motoress de media hp y al de ncanchar un motor del msimo tipo no engancha pero si tengo muncho bolaje escribeme para ponernos en contacto mi correo es ilumina33@hotmail.com
regiomontano50 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
mi estimado amigo te envió un saludos kra yo estoy haciendo los mismo he hecho un sistema con una eje y 4 estrellas paso 40 con cadena y le puse un motor modificado con imanes de neodimio con muy poca resistencia de generación me da 220vca con 2 fases modvido con 2 motoress de media hp y al de enganchar un motor del mismo tipo no engancha pero si tengo muncho bolaje escribeme para ponernos en contacto mi correo es ilumina33@hotmail.com
regiomontano50 1 year ago
cool build
X3ra53m3x 1 year ago
@X3ra53m3x Thanx
llewgnal 1 year ago
cool! u shpuld be a airplane pilot haha
CCSinventions 1 year ago
if you need electricity to make electricity, that kinda defeats the purpose, doesnt it?
pivotboy63 1 year ago 22
@pivotboy63 The purpose was to seperate the pulses , or phases of the alternator to run my three phase cell.
Gary
llewgnal 1 year ago
@pivotboy63 I think the point is to get high amprage DC without buying a $1000 power supply, not only that... if he removes the regulator from the alternator and puts a variac in place he"ll be able to rase voltage and lower amprage... it becomes a very wide ranged DC power supply
bill71183 11 months ago
@pivotboy63 kind of like, it takes 3 barrels of oil to extract 10? more? less?
ddddcheaper 9 months ago
Comment removed
cyberstormin 5 months ago
@pivotboy63 I had to revise my earlier post to clarify. If you are depending on solar power with a battery bank, this type of setup could give you many more hours of electricity than you use with a generator. There are very few, or very expensive high output 12 volt charges. Some will claim 55amps (such as one at wal-mart for $98), but the fine print will state that amperage only for 160 seconds before slowing rate down. If at your house with land power, not likely good. in an RV, could benefit.
cyberstormin 5 months ago
@pivotboy63 Yeah but this experiment takes in less electricity to produce a continuous flow of electricity. It's kind of like it takes gas to move gas. Does that defeat the purpose? Duh...... that's how energy works
MongoMan95 4 months ago
what are these good for?
stevesteve250 1 year ago
I think you can use 2 or 3 alternators
dtmc69 1 year ago
@St3Beyma
What are you talking about... then from where does the energy come? Don't be silly, you're talking about free energy, no such thing.
corotor12345 1 year ago
Stanley Allen Meyer used a DEREGULATED alternator as an "Amp Inhibiting Device" to restrict amp flow. If you look at WFC Memo 420 DA, which can be found by searching for "International Independent Test Evaluation Report PDF" on Google, on page 1-10 (Figure 10XA: Rotary Pulse - Voltage Frequency Generator) you will see a schematic diagram. Your half way there. Good luck.
richcollins513 1 year ago
what if you can two alternators to this one 1/2 hp electric motor? it could make a bit more power and maybe use a alternator that has more amps
blackdemon270 1 year ago
@blackdemon270 Depending on the amp draw, that is what determines the motor size.
llewgnal 1 year ago
yesss, this is the thing that is i was searching for a month,,, :p
zoni3 1 year ago
Is it possible to have 3 car alternators charging a single battery or a battery bank?
JeterBond777 1 year ago
Their really is no point in this, the energy required to operate the motor would be more than what the alternator would produce, its basically a transformer, in put AC, out put DC. except this way is very inefficient.
MsBLINK182LOVER 1 year ago
@MsBLINK182LOVER I was going to make hho with it, never followed up on it to much , check out my three phase cell for hho. Some people have had great results with the alternator setup for hho, as Stan Meyers did.
Gary
llewgnal 1 year ago
@MsBLINK182LOVER : that is true, i thought am the only one who was confused about this project...now i know its a crap!
sutadebastos 1 year ago
@St3Beyma yes
frostedlambs 1 year ago
@St3Beyma Only with a Honda,,,lol
llewgnal 1 year ago