@mhuancayo Don't you see when it says Syrian Christian in the title of this video? How is that Catholic? We are under Eastern Orthodoxy and our headquarters are in Antioch and Damascus. We have nothing to do with the Catholic church. We follow the original Aramaic Christian liturgy not Latin. The only pure form of Christianity is Middle Eastern, that's where Christianity started in the first place. We have been Christians for two thousand years that is why we are connected with the Middle East.
@myspaceLOVERZ No, we are not Catholic, but there are a few denominations that split from us and became Catholic due to the Portuguese persecution. Did you not hear in the video when they said the language spoken was in Aramaic/Syriac? It is no way Latin, so it is not Catholic. The priests were wearing clothes that is worn by priests in the Middle East. It is Syriac Christianity, which is primarily in the Middle East and the Indian state of Kerala. We have Semitic ancestry from the Middle East.
@myspaceLOVERZ why did jesus wear a tunic and robe? why did mary wear a head covering? why did the russian christians wear bear skin hats? why did the mexican christians wear sombreros?
and go through the whol holi mass then you find out . hw the actual syrian christan ( means the jacobet syrians christan in kerala is linked between the syrian christans and the jews tredational jews life of christanity. am looking for a reply tks
your saying is some wat how is same but the thing is that the worship wat we r following the syrian christans is from the olden jews style of worship . if you got dought check the syrian christans holi qurabano in syrack , and am sure thay you dnd nw arramic or syrack .
@kstar132 The name 'India' was given by the Greeks. The ancient Greeks referred to us as 'Indoi' (i.e. the people of the Indus) & the term 'India' originated in around 350 BC. 'India' is mentioned in thousands of years old Greek written records. The term 'India' is derived from the 'Sindhu' river(which Greeks called as Indus river). The word 'Sindhu' itself came from the Sanskrit language & it means ocean. So, it is not given by English people.
These hand movements nowhere related Hindu culture or worship.....it has theological reference to Syrian rite of worship, even though certain other things like Lamp are similar.
@shepherd162002joms Throughout history different cultures and religions influenced one another. Indian Muslims adopted certain practices from Hinduism and Hindus adopted certain practices from Islam. Syrian Christians of India had been living along side with their Hindu neighbours for generations and it is naturally form them to adapt some form Hindu elements into their religion.
@shepherd162002joms Ohhh... so you know more about it than an INDIAN making this video.Even if you are an Indian, you know so less about Hinduism.And yes, these lamps you see... these are exactly same as in Hindu tradition.
@tobinthom Oh please, the Knanaya people brought nothing to Kerala. All they are known for is being a bunch of drunk people, who no one wants to associate with. If only you read and do some research, then you would find how recent the “Knanaya” legend is. The Knanaya theory of the modern era was fabricated by a Jacobite bishop.
@tobinthom The Armenians claim that Thomas of Cana was an Armenian merchant and/or priest. Certainly the name “Cana” is congruent to the Armenian word for merchant and the Armenian word for Priest. So no one really knows who Thomas of Cana was.
@tobinthom The Northists of old (i.e., the Nasranis of Cranganore) claimed him as their own. So did the Southists of Cranganore. This “Knanaya” theory is a late 19th - early 20th century legend that coincided with the creation of the separate Southist dioceses by the Catholics and the Orthodox.
@tobinthom The identity and time of Thomas of Cana is highly disputed by Syriac scholars and historians (Assemani, Mingana, etc are a few of the true scholars that discuss this man). The Armenians claim him as their own, calling him either Thomas the Merchant or Thomas the Priest (you’ll see on google translate that the Armenian words for both have “Kana” in them).
@tobinthom So far, there is zero evidence that the Southists existed anywhere in Kerala other than Cranganore, prior to the 15th century. I don't like Knanayas always making up stuff to feel important, when in fact they actually did nothing. The Knanaya people are just a bunch of Nasranis like the rest of us that bought into some theory. Why the heck does your church use Syriac? You would be speaking Armenian then. Just call yourself a Christian instead of buying into your Knanaya propaganda.
@JJMATHIAS23 Well yes i totally agree that Knanayas are Nasranis, but our origins are different. It is true that Knanayas did come from Syria(Edessa) in 345 AD to the Cranganore evidence is all around us. Being a Knanaya Catholic myself i can share some. The biggest evidence we have is that if you come to one of our churches you will see people there with ginger hair and white skin and that is 100% proof. For some reason the other Nasranis dont like us because we stay endogamous.
@JJMATHIAS23 If it wasn't for the Knanayas you would see no Syriac liturgies within the present day Nasrani Churches . And yes its true we Knas do like to drink lol. Sometimes the Knanaya Church is called the Party Church lol. The actual Knanayas call him Knai Thomman (Knai means- Zealous for God). Knanaya means - Zealous ones for God.
@tobinthom You're wrong about Knanaya people coming from Syria, they actually came from Edessa (Now Sanliurfa, Turkey). It's sad that you don't know your history. Until the 19th century, there was no Knanaya group. They themselves were called Thekkumbhavar (ie Southists).The name Knanaya is a creation of the last century.
@JJMATHIAS23 Don kno if you noticed lol but i put in parenthesis on my comment before Edessa lol. Uraha Mar Ouseph (Bishop of Edessa at the time) sent Knai Thoma and 72 to familys to help the already Saint Thomas Christians of Kerala, Mar Ouseph with a group of preists and deacons also ended up going. In the arrival at Kerala The Knanayas were favored by the local king and were elevated to a high level in the caste system because of there Endogamous practices.
@tobinthom The migration of Christians from Syria weren't you guys. There were actually many Christians that came from the Middle East between the 3rd-9th century. I have no clue what you're talking about Knanaya people looking different. The majority of the Knanaya people look like the rest of the people in Kerala. Sure the Knanaya community have more fair skinned people than the other denominations, but there fair skinned people in all denominations at a minority.
@tobinthom If Thomas of Cana came to Kerala for missionary work, then why did he bring 72 families with him? It tells you that they were escaping persecution and were not sent by any bishop from the Middle East. The Apostle Thomas brought Christianity to Indian Hebrews and locals, who was also a Syriac speaking Jew. When Pantaneus, the famous Alexandrian scholar, came to India in 190 AD (one half centuries before Knanayas came to India) he found Syriac literature with the Indian Christians.
@tobinthom The Knanaya people didn't come from Syria, they migrated from Edessa (Now Şanlıurfa, Turkey). It's sad that you don't know your history. There were many migrations of Christians that came from the Middle East (Syria, Iraq, etc) between the 3rd-9th century, who joined the Nasrani community, but they were not with Thomas of Cana.
@tobinthom The majority of the Knanaya people look like the rest of Kerala. Sure the Knanaya community probably has more fair skinned people than the rest of the denominations, but you can see fair skinned people in all denominations. If two light skinned people marry, then their kid will be light skinned, which is what the Knanaya community does. If anything , the original families that came with Thomas if Cana would look more Turkish/Armenian and not Middle Eastern looking.
@tobinthom Obviously, if the Knanaya people were endogamous then they would not look like the rest of the Keralites. Everyone is basically mixed in Kerala. There is even research that reported the J2 (Semitic) haplogroup is present in the Christian communities of Kerala only among the non-Knanaya Syrian Christians, and that the Knanaya sampled so far contain the L group. The Knanaya were not Semitic or are from the Middle East, they were from Turkey/Armenia if anything.
@JJMATHIAS23 I pretty sure after about 1500 years physical features would start to affect them lol. But like i said we see people out our church with ginger(orangish hair) and white skin at our church. Im not sure if the Knanaya Jacobites teach it differantly but Knanaya Catholics were taught that we migrated from Edessa and the surounding Mesopotamian Area. Only a true kna would know this but if you marry out of the community your pretty much shunned and you become the community gossip.
@tobinthom Ginger hair? Maybe wherever you're from they might have it, but you rarely see any of them with red hair in the Knanaya community. Like I said, the Knanayas have haplogroup L, which is more Central Asian and those people would most likely have colored hair.
@tobinthom If the Knanaya people keep marrying each other, then some haplogroup will show up in their genetic sample, which is haplogroup L (Turkish people have high percentages of this). Your community will have R1a as the dominant haplogroup just like the rest of India.
@JJMATHIAS23 I meen if we didnt keep marrying each other why is it that every Knanaya is somehow the others cousin. Every person at my church i can find some sort of relation with maybe 5th 6th cousin but yea somehow it'll show up haha . Oh and just wondering but what denomination are u?
@tobinthom Are you trying to say that Knanayas are incestuous since they came from 72 families? Colored hair and light skin can come from marrying within the community (family) as well.
@JJMATHIAS23 haha its kinda weird but its the truth. Like my aunt and uncle are 5th cousins. Thats why its so hard for knanaya boys and girls to get married cuz u might accidently marry a close cousin lol. You gotta look more around the area of 7th 8th cousin lol. and just wondering but what denomination are u?
@JJMATHIAS23 Oh cool your Malankara Orthodox right? Just wondering but do the Knanaya Jacobites fall under your church? or The Syrian Jacobite Church? Cuz ive heard both.
@tobinthom Kerala has a lot of history. My great grandfather, grandfather, and father all have a Greek surname in the family. I was looking through my grandfather's funeral DVD and I saw that his last name was not a common Nasrani name. I went to search the name and found that it is a common surname in Greece. It was not a Christian name at all, it was an ancient Greek name. Kerala did trade with Greece in ancient times and there were Greek settlements in Kerala.
@tobinthom Then again, someone told me that there were Greeks that came along with the Persian Christians in the 8th century to Kerala. Parumala Thirumeni's ancestors came from these Persian Christians. I don't know, but history is so messed up, it's better not knowing at all.
Some of the aspects of the Indian Orthodox church ideas from the Hindus such as some of the building styles, the umbrellas, or drums. However to say that most of our traditions are from Hinduism is false. Many of the rituals shown in this video can be traced to the West Syrian tradition passed down to us, as well as our other Eastern and Oriental Orthodox brethren.
They should have a board saying "Brainwashing since 52 AD" ^_^ hehehehe
seriously if christianity is so great why are you people just 2.3% of indian population?
Sorry my brothers and sisters,monotheism does'nt belong to this land! Try becoming a parsi as they could use numbers considering they don't convert by buying off poor people/dalits with money and other fragile minds with words,despite being one of the wealthiest communties/religious-ethnic groups in India!
@mosesravoori U Idiot.Bharat is not an uncivilised rural dialect word.It is Sanskrit.More than 4000 years old than your English, which in turn came from Latin, which, in turn (still) borrowed Phonology from Sanskrit.Have some pride for your own culture you Western copy monkey....
@Aman066 ohh another stupid entered here, Does sanskrit is having script? than how come it has words? Assholes like u follow central Indian religion in the name of ganduism move around tube just barking...
@martyr732 Yeah right.I know why you are offended and attacking my religion.I just want to say this: probably before your grandfather was born, one of the three things happened in your family line.1) Someone put a sword at the neck of your ancestor and told him to accept foreign religion.2) Someone bought your ancestors into foreign religion.3)Someone fucked your ancestor and claimed the children in foreign religion.Now here you are making an idiot brat out of yourself.
@martyr732 And yes....I suppose you are one of those gutter worms trying to show off their "vast knowledge of sophistication" and English i guess.----"does is Sanskrit having a script"---- ha ha ha.Do yourself a favour -- admit yourself to a primary school and learn grammar with 10 year olds.
@mosesravoori I can't even begin to tell you how stupid your question is.Did you look up the word "phonology"?This has nothing to do with script you dumb rock....Sanskrit is so old that no uniform script in India was even in existence....it's first appearence was in Brahmi...which was used to write Prakrit...however this is a very very late incident compared to original language itself....This is completely irrelevant to what I was saying.
Genocidal Christianity is a hoax. Christianity is Roman war propaganda against the Jews and nonwhites. New testament was written by Romans to demean and destroy Judaism. Titus Flavius who destroyed the Jewish Temple commissioned the Christian hoax as a replacement for Judaism. Titus' Flavius military campaign against Jerusalem was transformed into Jesus' ministry against Judaism
Wow, I don't recognise the words, but the melodies of their chants I hear every Sunday @ my Byzantine Church. As for the processionals, & ever since the wandering in the wilderness, sacred coverings had been part of Jewish rituals. A sacred hupa still goes over a couple @ their wedding. You can see similar umbrellas for Ethiopian priests. Again, this all goes back to Jewish custom. Ultimately, all religions have one common source in God. Hindus share rites w/ many other religions.
The old testament, priest hood and Jerusalem temple are traditions of Jews(old Israel).This tradtions are not from Gentiles or Pagans.Without having read or understood the meaning and importance of Liturgy to tarnish somebody on customs /culture/tradition is not either Journalism/or media report.All churches in africa whther protestant/catholic /anglican/pentacostal, follow the culture/traditions of africans.this we can notice in their worship and liturgy.also try to learn the culture of Jews
Religion when it spreads in any cultural, it affects but is also effected. Part of the peoples traditions becomes embded in the religious ceremonies. I noticed this also happens to other religions. Thanks for this video
@TheMassa114 :All liturgy and worship of syrian christians are based on Scriptures/bible.These are not based on Hindu cluture!Somebody who does not read or understand Bible just try to tarnish the Old Christian community in India.The syrian Christian worship originated from Middle east(Jerusalem,Antioch,Alexandrea and Constantinipole).The Indian syrianChristian worship are based on mainly Syrian Liturgy. If you look at africa church both Anglican and catholic follow the culture of africans.
Syrian Christian community is the oldest in Kerala....and our Holy Mass cannot be compared to a Hindu Culture. The Westerners want the world to see everything from their eyes because they dont have an identity for themselves. So My Christian brothers and Sisters...this documentary is just pathetic it seems no one put their time into researching about Syrian Christians in Kerala. The St thomas Christians consisted of Jewish, Persian, families who converted to christianity.
Lol..this is funny because whoever did this research does not have the sraight facts. First of all im not here to offend the hindu religion just seperating the facts thats all. How can you compare a christian holy hand gesture to a hindu priest's way of doing things. This documentary is done by european visitors who know nothing about Kerala or about their own religion..they just compare things to each other. The famous church in Rome has painting.. ohh wait did they copy from the Hindu Temple.
For kind information Mangala sutra is not Hindu custom but it is a south Indian Dravidian custom.
U cant find mangala sutra in Hindu dominated North Indian custom neither the foot rings,All this rituals are local and Christianity never give importance in rituals but in quality of living as a Human being.Asa spiritual life...
This is a well researched and well narrated account of ancient Christians in Kerala, India with interviews with 2 well known Nasranis (Syrian Christians) of India. I am giving a video response on the eve of my son's marriage last yr, which gave me a chance to tell my children about the fine traditions we had like Mangaslasutra which no other Christians use. But these are getting lost with modernity.
@thampytube sir, I don't know what denomination you belong to, but I am Jacobite Syrian and this video seems to emphasize our liturgy. It compares our priest waving their hand over the Holy Body and Blood of Christ, which represents the Holy Spirit to a hindu priest waving his hands and ringing a bell while worshiping his God. Our traditions are word for word received from the Syrian Orthodox Church, these same traditions are seen in Churches in the Middle East also, so the research is poor
do you know what catholic means .it means universal so we are christians but only one church not one of the 36,000 protestants churches
mhuancayo 2 days ago
@mhuancayo Don't you see when it says Syrian Christian in the title of this video? How is that Catholic? We are under Eastern Orthodoxy and our headquarters are in Antioch and Damascus. We have nothing to do with the Catholic church. We follow the original Aramaic Christian liturgy not Latin. The only pure form of Christianity is Middle Eastern, that's where Christianity started in the first place. We have been Christians for two thousand years that is why we are connected with the Middle East.
JJMATHIAS23 2 days ago
this looks like catholic stuff, not christian stuff
myspaceLOVERZ 1 week ago
@myspaceLOVERZ yea its catholic what else could be ,.God bless you brothers
mhuancayo 3 days ago
@mhuancayo then why does it says "christian" on the video?
myspaceLOVERZ 2 days ago
@myspaceLOVERZ No, we are not Catholic, but there are a few denominations that split from us and became Catholic due to the Portuguese persecution. Did you not hear in the video when they said the language spoken was in Aramaic/Syriac? It is no way Latin, so it is not Catholic. The priests were wearing clothes that is worn by priests in the Middle East. It is Syriac Christianity, which is primarily in the Middle East and the Indian state of Kerala. We have Semitic ancestry from the Middle East.
JJMATHIAS23 2 days ago
why are the christian woman in india are still wearing them saris?
myspaceLOVERZ 1 week ago
@myspaceLOVERZ because we are INDIANS
arunmathew1982 1 week ago
@myspaceLOVERZ why did jesus wear a tunic and robe? why did mary wear a head covering? why did the russian christians wear bear skin hats? why did the mexican christians wear sombreros?
lyycurgus 1 week ago
@myspaceLOVERZ dumb question!
mhuancayo 3 days ago
and go through the whol holi mass then you find out . hw the actual syrian christan ( means the jacobet syrians christan in kerala is linked between the syrian christans and the jews tredational jews life of christanity. am looking for a reply tks
achachanpaul 2 months ago
( forgive my spelling misticks}
your saying is some wat how is same but the thing is that the worship wat we r following the syrian christans is from the olden jews style of worship . if you got dought check the syrian christans holi qurabano in syrack , and am sure thay you dnd nw arramic or syrack .
achachanpaul 2 months ago
I thought Christianity is dying in India?
BayAreaOrBust 2 months ago
@BayAreaOrBust Growing Rapidly in India because it becoming more like the west
inTHEwrongGENERATION 1 month ago
@kstar132 The name 'India' was given by the Greeks. The ancient Greeks referred to us as 'Indoi' (i.e. the people of the Indus) & the term 'India' originated in around 350 BC. 'India' is mentioned in thousands of years old Greek written records. The term 'India' is derived from the 'Sindhu' river(which Greeks called as Indus river). The word 'Sindhu' itself came from the Sanskrit language & it means ocean. So, it is not given by English people.
rash9876 5 months ago
Candes have always been used in Church (Jesus is the light of the world)
Bells are used at the Eucharist
High points (Spires, Bell towers, poles with crosses) are used to proclaim the Church
Love to the Keralan Christians and their Hindu Brothers and Sisters!
BeeJayEm1 9 months ago
These hand movements nowhere related Hindu culture or worship.....it has theological reference to Syrian rite of worship, even though certain other things like Lamp are similar.
shepherd162002joms 9 months ago
@shepherd162002joms Throughout history different cultures and religions influenced one another. Indian Muslims adopted certain practices from Hinduism and Hindus adopted certain practices from Islam. Syrian Christians of India had been living along side with their Hindu neighbours for generations and it is naturally form them to adapt some form Hindu elements into their religion.
MrLantean 8 months ago
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Aman066 8 months ago
@shepherd162002joms Ohhh... so you know more about it than an INDIAN making this video.Even if you are an Indian, you know so less about Hinduism.And yes, these lamps you see... these are exactly same as in Hindu tradition.
Aman066 8 months ago
@shepherd162002joms Worshipping itself brought from suffism to hinduism..
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JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
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JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
In 52 AD Saint Thomas Brought Christianity to India. In 345 AD Knanaya Christians brought Syriac Christianity to the St. Thomas Christians.
tobinthom 11 months ago
@tobinthom Oh please, the Knanaya people brought nothing to Kerala. All they are known for is being a bunch of drunk people, who no one wants to associate with. If only you read and do some research, then you would find how recent the “Knanaya” legend is. The Knanaya theory of the modern era was fabricated by a Jacobite bishop.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@tobinthom The Armenians claim that Thomas of Cana was an Armenian merchant and/or priest. Certainly the name “Cana” is congruent to the Armenian word for merchant and the Armenian word for Priest. So no one really knows who Thomas of Cana was.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@tobinthom The Northists of old (i.e., the Nasranis of Cranganore) claimed him as their own. So did the Southists of Cranganore. This “Knanaya” theory is a late 19th - early 20th century legend that coincided with the creation of the separate Southist dioceses by the Catholics and the Orthodox.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@tobinthom The identity and time of Thomas of Cana is highly disputed by Syriac scholars and historians (Assemani, Mingana, etc are a few of the true scholars that discuss this man). The Armenians claim him as their own, calling him either Thomas the Merchant or Thomas the Priest (you’ll see on google translate that the Armenian words for both have “Kana” in them).
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@tobinthom So far, there is zero evidence that the Southists existed anywhere in Kerala other than Cranganore, prior to the 15th century. I don't like Knanayas always making up stuff to feel important, when in fact they actually did nothing. The Knanaya people are just a bunch of Nasranis like the rest of us that bought into some theory. Why the heck does your church use Syriac? You would be speaking Armenian then. Just call yourself a Christian instead of buying into your Knanaya propaganda.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 Well yes i totally agree that Knanayas are Nasranis, but our origins are different. It is true that Knanayas did come from Syria(Edessa) in 345 AD to the Cranganore evidence is all around us. Being a Knanaya Catholic myself i can share some. The biggest evidence we have is that if you come to one of our churches you will see people there with ginger hair and white skin and that is 100% proof. For some reason the other Nasranis dont like us because we stay endogamous.
tobinthom 10 months ago
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JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 If it wasn't for the Knanayas you would see no Syriac liturgies within the present day Nasrani Churches . And yes its true we Knas do like to drink lol. Sometimes the Knanaya Church is called the Party Church lol. The actual Knanayas call him Knai Thomman (Knai means- Zealous for God). Knanaya means - Zealous ones for God.
tobinthom 10 months ago
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@tobinthom You're wrong about Knanaya people coming from Syria, they actually came from Edessa (Now Sanliurfa, Turkey). It's sad that you don't know your history. Until the 19th century, there was no Knanaya group. They themselves were called Thekkumbhavar (ie Southists).The name Knanaya is a creation of the last century.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 Don kno if you noticed lol but i put in parenthesis on my comment before Edessa lol. Uraha Mar Ouseph (Bishop of Edessa at the time) sent Knai Thoma and 72 to familys to help the already Saint Thomas Christians of Kerala, Mar Ouseph with a group of preists and deacons also ended up going. In the arrival at Kerala The Knanayas were favored by the local king and were elevated to a high level in the caste system because of there Endogamous practices.
tobinthom 10 months ago
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@tobinthom The migration of Christians from Syria weren't you guys. There were actually many Christians that came from the Middle East between the 3rd-9th century. I have no clue what you're talking about Knanaya people looking different. The majority of the Knanaya people look like the rest of the people in Kerala. Sure the Knanaya community have more fair skinned people than the other denominations, but there fair skinned people in all denominations at a minority.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@tobinthom If Thomas of Cana came to Kerala for missionary work, then why did he bring 72 families with him? It tells you that they were escaping persecution and were not sent by any bishop from the Middle East. The Apostle Thomas brought Christianity to Indian Hebrews and locals, who was also a Syriac speaking Jew. When Pantaneus, the famous Alexandrian scholar, came to India in 190 AD (one half centuries before Knanayas came to India) he found Syriac literature with the Indian Christians.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@tobinthom The Knanaya people didn't come from Syria, they migrated from Edessa (Now Şanlıurfa, Turkey). It's sad that you don't know your history. There were many migrations of Christians that came from the Middle East (Syria, Iraq, etc) between the 3rd-9th century, who joined the Nasrani community, but they were not with Thomas of Cana.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@tobinthom The majority of the Knanaya people look like the rest of Kerala. Sure the Knanaya community probably has more fair skinned people than the rest of the denominations, but you can see fair skinned people in all denominations. If two light skinned people marry, then their kid will be light skinned, which is what the Knanaya community does. If anything , the original families that came with Thomas if Cana would look more Turkish/Armenian and not Middle Eastern looking.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 How do you explain the ginger hair then?
tobinthom 10 months ago
@tobinthom Obviously, if the Knanaya people were endogamous then they would not look like the rest of the Keralites. Everyone is basically mixed in Kerala. There is even research that reported the J2 (Semitic) haplogroup is present in the Christian communities of Kerala only among the non-Knanaya Syrian Christians, and that the Knanaya sampled so far contain the L group. The Knanaya were not Semitic or are from the Middle East, they were from Turkey/Armenia if anything.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 I pretty sure after about 1500 years physical features would start to affect them lol. But like i said we see people out our church with ginger(orangish hair) and white skin at our church. Im not sure if the Knanaya Jacobites teach it differantly but Knanaya Catholics were taught that we migrated from Edessa and the surounding Mesopotamian Area. Only a true kna would know this but if you marry out of the community your pretty much shunned and you become the community gossip.
tobinthom 10 months ago
@tobinthom Ginger hair? Maybe wherever you're from they might have it, but you rarely see any of them with red hair in the Knanaya community. Like I said, the Knanayas have haplogroup L, which is more Central Asian and those people would most likely have colored hair.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@tobinthom If the Knanaya people keep marrying each other, then some haplogroup will show up in their genetic sample, which is haplogroup L (Turkish people have high percentages of this). Your community will have R1a as the dominant haplogroup just like the rest of India.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 I meen if we didnt keep marrying each other why is it that every Knanaya is somehow the others cousin. Every person at my church i can find some sort of relation with maybe 5th 6th cousin but yea somehow it'll show up haha . Oh and just wondering but what denomination are u?
tobinthom 10 months ago
@tobinthom Are you trying to say that Knanayas are incestuous since they came from 72 families? Colored hair and light skin can come from marrying within the community (family) as well.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 haha its kinda weird but its the truth. Like my aunt and uncle are 5th cousins. Thats why its so hard for knanaya boys and girls to get married cuz u might accidently marry a close cousin lol. You gotta look more around the area of 7th 8th cousin lol. and just wondering but what denomination are u?
tobinthom 10 months ago
@tobinthom I'm an Orthodox Christian and I like history very much, so I have some knowledge. Kerala history is more fascinating than one can imagine.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 Oh cool your Malankara Orthodox right? Just wondering but do the Knanaya Jacobites fall under your church? or The Syrian Jacobite Church? Cuz ive heard both.
tobinthom 10 months ago
@tobinthom Yes, I'm Malankara Orthodox.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@tobinthom Kerala has a lot of history. My great grandfather, grandfather, and father all have a Greek surname in the family. I was looking through my grandfather's funeral DVD and I saw that his last name was not a common Nasrani name. I went to search the name and found that it is a common surname in Greece. It was not a Christian name at all, it was an ancient Greek name. Kerala did trade with Greece in ancient times and there were Greek settlements in Kerala.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@tobinthom Then again, someone told me that there were Greeks that came along with the Persian Christians in the 8th century to Kerala. Parumala Thirumeni's ancestors came from these Persian Christians. I don't know, but history is so messed up, it's better not knowing at all.
JJMATHIAS23 10 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 Oh cool cool
tobinthom 10 months ago
mai tahe dil say apko thanks kahta hu,ki aap garib hinduo ko,financial help ka nake kaam kar rahe hai..thank you vry vry much all of u.lv.
dvirendra 11 months ago
are these guys Catholics??? it is so confusing
tHeWasTeDYouTh 1 year ago
@tHeWasTeDYouTh ancient orthodox
Lif3Music1 1 year ago
@Lif3Music1 thanks
tHeWasTeDYouTh 1 year ago
@tHeWasTeDYouTh
yes we are :)
knablucrushballa 7 months ago
at least most of the knanaya ones..
knablucrushballa 7 months ago
Some of the aspects of the Indian Orthodox church ideas from the Hindus such as some of the building styles, the umbrellas, or drums. However to say that most of our traditions are from Hinduism is false. Many of the rituals shown in this video can be traced to the West Syrian tradition passed down to us, as well as our other Eastern and Oriental Orthodox brethren.
Phillabadboy 1 year ago 2
They should have a board saying "Brainwashing since 52 AD" ^_^ hehehehe
seriously if christianity is so great why are you people just 2.3% of indian population?
Sorry my brothers and sisters,monotheism does'nt belong to this land! Try becoming a parsi as they could use numbers considering they don't convert by buying off poor people/dalits with money and other fragile minds with words,despite being one of the wealthiest communties/religious-ethnic groups in India!
cillantro 1 year ago
@cillantro
its 6% according to Time Almanac 2010.
02kazak 1 year ago
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cillantro 1 year ago
@02kazak OH JOY >_>
guess we'll get to see more of this in India
youtube.com/watch?v=c4tg4CftkPw
cillantro 1 year ago
@02kazak sometimes in the url there may be a P-w at the end instead of Pw, you cut it and view it properly!
cillantro 1 year ago
@cillantro you are an idiot, go fuck one of your many gods
tHeWasTeDYouTh 1 year ago
@tHeWasTeDYouTh and what? have a bastard child like you or your jesus christ? LOL ^_^ hehehe
cillantro 1 year ago
Stop saying freaking Indian, we are not Indians, India is a English made thing
kstar132 1 year ago
@kstar132 We are Indians mate.....
arunmathew1982 1 year ago 4
@kstar132 what u should say? Bharath? It is UP -bihar word, better to take english name than Bihari..
mosesravoori 9 months ago
@mosesravoori U Idiot.Bharat is not an uncivilised rural dialect word.It is Sanskrit.More than 4000 years old than your English, which in turn came from Latin, which, in turn (still) borrowed Phonology from Sanskrit.Have some pride for your own culture you Western copy monkey....
Aman066 8 months ago
@Aman066 ohh another stupid entered here, Does sanskrit is having script? than how come it has words? Assholes like u follow central Indian religion in the name of ganduism move around tube just barking...
martyr732 8 months ago 3
@martyr732 Yeah right.I know why you are offended and attacking my religion.I just want to say this: probably before your grandfather was born, one of the three things happened in your family line.1) Someone put a sword at the neck of your ancestor and told him to accept foreign religion.2) Someone bought your ancestors into foreign religion.3)Someone fucked your ancestor and claimed the children in foreign religion.Now here you are making an idiot brat out of yourself.
Aman066 7 months ago
@martyr732 And yes....I suppose you are one of those gutter worms trying to show off their "vast knowledge of sophistication" and English i guess.----"does is Sanskrit having a script"---- ha ha ha.Do yourself a favour -- admit yourself to a primary school and learn grammar with 10 year olds.
Aman066 7 months ago
@Aman066 u idiot can u tell me the script of sanskrit..?
mosesravoori 4 months ago
@mosesravoori I can't even begin to tell you how stupid your question is.Did you look up the word "phonology"?This has nothing to do with script you dumb rock....Sanskrit is so old that no uniform script in India was even in existence....it's first appearence was in Brahmi...which was used to write Prakrit...however this is a very very late incident compared to original language itself....This is completely irrelevant to what I was saying.
Aman066 4 months ago
@kstar132 we are indians and you my friend is a dog
abh3092 3 months ago
@kstar132
Then you must stop communicating in english.
JSVKK 1 month ago
Assyrian church of the east!
dianajay1 1 year ago
Genocidal Christianity is a hoax. Christianity is Roman war propaganda against the Jews and nonwhites. New testament was written by Romans to demean and destroy Judaism. Titus Flavius who destroyed the Jewish Temple commissioned the Christian hoax as a replacement for Judaism. Titus' Flavius military campaign against Jerusalem was transformed into Jesus' ministry against Judaism
Search "Joseph Atwill" -author Caesar's Messiah
See youtube video- watch?v=dCNJf83bqjs
pt1200 1 year ago
I just love Indian Christians people they are so beautiful dignified and royal peace brothers from Europe
SouthSlavicCernogor 1 year ago
Wow, I don't recognise the words, but the melodies of their chants I hear every Sunday @ my Byzantine Church. As for the processionals, & ever since the wandering in the wilderness, sacred coverings had been part of Jewish rituals. A sacred hupa still goes over a couple @ their wedding. You can see similar umbrellas for Ethiopian priests. Again, this all goes back to Jewish custom. Ultimately, all religions have one common source in God. Hindus share rites w/ many other religions.
VictorLepanto 1 year ago
The old testament, priest hood and Jerusalem temple are traditions of Jews(old Israel).This tradtions are not from Gentiles or Pagans.Without having read or understood the meaning and importance of Liturgy to tarnish somebody on customs /culture/tradition is not either Journalism/or media report.All churches in africa whther protestant/catholic /anglican/pentacostal, follow the culture/traditions of africans.this we can notice in their worship and liturgy.also try to learn the culture of Jews
smpariyarathu 1 year ago
Religion when it spreads in any cultural, it affects but is also effected. Part of the peoples traditions becomes embded in the religious ceremonies. I noticed this also happens to other religions. Thanks for this video
TheMassa114 1 year ago
@TheMassa114 :All liturgy and worship of syrian christians are based on Scriptures/bible.These are not based on Hindu cluture!Somebody who does not read or understand Bible just try to tarnish the Old Christian community in India.The syrian Christian worship originated from Middle east(Jerusalem,Antioch,Alexandrea and Constantinipole).The Indian syrianChristian worship are based on mainly Syrian Liturgy. If you look at africa church both Anglican and catholic follow the culture of africans.
smpariyarathu 1 year ago
Syrian Christian community is the oldest in Kerala....and our Holy Mass cannot be compared to a Hindu Culture. The Westerners want the world to see everything from their eyes because they dont have an identity for themselves. So My Christian brothers and Sisters...this documentary is just pathetic it seems no one put their time into researching about Syrian Christians in Kerala. The St thomas Christians consisted of Jewish, Persian, families who converted to christianity.
SuperMarilyn1988 1 year ago 2
Lol..this is funny because whoever did this research does not have the sraight facts. First of all im not here to offend the hindu religion just seperating the facts thats all. How can you compare a christian holy hand gesture to a hindu priest's way of doing things. This documentary is done by european visitors who know nothing about Kerala or about their own religion..they just compare things to each other. The famous church in Rome has painting.. ohh wait did they copy from the Hindu Temple.
SuperMarilyn1988 1 year ago
@uniden1970 U r correct,
martyrindia 1 year ago
For kind information Mangala sutra is not Hindu custom but it is a south Indian Dravidian custom.
U cant find mangala sutra in Hindu dominated North Indian custom neither the foot rings,All this rituals are local and Christianity never give importance in rituals but in quality of living as a Human being.Asa spiritual life...
martyrindia 1 year ago
This is a well researched and well narrated account of ancient Christians in Kerala, India with interviews with 2 well known Nasranis (Syrian Christians) of India. I am giving a video response on the eve of my son's marriage last yr, which gave me a chance to tell my children about the fine traditions we had like Mangaslasutra which no other Christians use. But these are getting lost with modernity.
thampytube 2 years ago 2
@thampytube sir, I don't know what denomination you belong to, but I am Jacobite Syrian and this video seems to emphasize our liturgy. It compares our priest waving their hand over the Holy Body and Blood of Christ, which represents the Holy Spirit to a hindu priest waving his hands and ringing a bell while worshiping his God. Our traditions are word for word received from the Syrian Orthodox Church, these same traditions are seen in Churches in the Middle East also, so the research is poor
uniden1970 1 year ago
Wait a minute. The Jews and Christians in Ethiopia uses umbrella and bell for same purposes too~!
Yoshuayovel 2 years ago 2
Ethiopians and Christians in Kerala belong to the ancient christians
inder19852000 2 years ago
the idol being the major difference between the hindus and christians....
777jordan 2 years ago