California Gray Whales - Say No To Sonar Testing - Save the Whales

[nicolatwo]

High intensity active sonar can be completely replaced by satellites. It is not planned, because the corporation which creates the sonar devices is highly profiting financially from the sale of their products. Those are the corporations which give large amounts of money to the current legislators to implement laws in their favor. We have major corruption in the USA and every person must stand up against these unethical laws. Whaling, sonar and under water mining operations must be stopped.

[LeeroyFan101]

Before you go ranting about your theories on corruption and whatnot. Maybe you should learn the difference between sonars,radars and orbital tracking because they are completely different things.

[nicolatwo]

The fact is that satellite technology does offer a submarine detecting system which works.

[LeeroyFan101]

No it does not. If that were so there wouldn't be a point to building submarines now would there since they could be seen as easily the reason submarines are even around because they have the element of STEALTH.

Tell me are you in the Navy?

If not what puts you in any position to talk about military capabilities?

[LeeroyFan101]

So your saying the life of a couple of whales or dolphins is worth more than a muti billion dollar ship and the live of several hundred crew members on board?

[socarroll2]

That's hardly the policy choice at hand. The issue is whether or not the Navy's desired training method should be modified, so that over 100,000 marine mammals a year off California aren't harmed (the Navy's estimate), including impacts to 20-25% of an entire species annually. We aren't talking about operations during war time -- we are talking about training exercises. There are other options for conducting effective training besides the Navy's first choice and less harmful sonar options.

[LeeroyFan101]

Well you said it not me. Now your contradicting yourself?

Okay so lemme get this strait you want the Navy to chance their cost effective methods and use an alternate and possibly less effective method that would probably cost billions more annually in the middle of a global recession? Just to save a few animals?

[socarroll2]

Thanks for your comments. As a result, I have modified the video description to clarify that the problem is mid-frequency active (MFA) and high-frequency active (HFA) sonar testing and underwater detonations during training, per the Navy EIS. Im pleased that this video has gotten under your skin. Its interesting that in order to support your position you feel the need to minimize the amount of harm down to a couple of animals, while assuming protection costs in the billions.

[LeeroyFan101]

Well the point is moot since the Navy won the case when it got to the supreme court.

[nicolatwo]

The Navy only wins some of the cases, because they bribe themselves through Washington and the supreme courts. This does not make them more ethical. If we destroy the oceans and the Earth's environment, then WE humans are also in the end going down with it. And that may not be much further into the future. If it was not for the activists we would already have lost our last resources including the whales. Even the non caring individuals are dependent on our Eco system.

[GCRU486]

LeeroyFam101; Excellent point. Well said. 101% agreement.

[LeeroyFan101]

K, we'll stop using sonars the moment you come up with something that can find submarines and unexploded naval mines.