sounds like he's saying that "structured water" are some sort of nano substance that are consciously and intelligently sorting out all the toxins out of your body and rebuilding it by nourishing your cells. that's a really big claim to say the least. so where is the evidence?
That's right some ignorant people need to do the research before they start shitting on things they don't understand. Just ignore them... They are closed minded fools. This is an actual study and has been tested and proven.
Structured water is REAL, it has been scientifically fucking proven you idiots, do some research, there's been lots of tests showing the energetic states of water.
"It has a high life force energy"? I sensed pseudoscience at the beginning, but I didn't expect new age magic.
Even worse is the reported difference… "it feels wetter, it tastes better, it's denser." It's wetter, really? It's DENSER? I have a feeling this guy failed high-school chemistry…
Mr. Nolte is horrible at explaining it and seems like a half-assed conman but I think he's referring to crystalline or 'EZ' water as Dr. Gerald Pollack of McGill University(formerly of UW) prefers to call it.
A brief rundown of Pollack's theory and the scientific evidence supporting it can be seen in the UW 32nd Annual Faculty Lecture here on Youtube under the title: "Water, Energy and Life: Fresh Views From the Water's Edge".
But I could be wrong as this guy is confusing. It is wetter, lol.
I think many of the people making comments here need to stick to drinking tap water or do more research... There is much more to water than one might think and since we are 70% water... it would seem worthy of some research rather than simple minded negative comments...
did you make good sales when ever CIEAURA was promoting that it worked best with this so called STRUCTURED water.....oh please what he is holding is the same filters that we use to purify the water for our ice machine! oh but dont forget that the water is WETTER that regular water....
did you make good sales when ever CIEAURA was promoting that it worked best with this so called STRUCTURED water.....oh please what he is holding is the same filters that we use to purify the water for our ice machine!
We are using similar devices in out labs to stir water.
No proof has been provided on how this would make water better or healthier. It doesn't sound reasonable, but if proof is provided science can embrace the method.
But really now, what is done to the water in this process is done to almost all observed water in science and noone has noted anything special about it, ever.
@nikeplektrum There is no proof that these people can provide. Microscopes can't detect it. It looks the same, weighs the same. In fact, it behaves in every way like ordinary water. You must rely on faith. Belief makes it real. Run-off streams are always good for a body, and if you put hydrochloric acid in a blender, it will be perfectly safe to drink. I can't believe you don't know this.
For instance.. just to point out a major weakness in the way you guys are promoting this :
Would you peronsally drink lethal toxins mixed in with your water if they have passed through one of these devices.. Because that is what you are basically alluding too.
provide solid data so we can decide how far this water will protect us from toxins.
@KosKostick -- I appreciate your attempt to help shore up the presentation, but people are drinking lethal toxins NOW. Their bodies are responding to chemicals that are already in the water. So you can simply ignore what we're saying and do what you've already done, or perhaps be open to learning more. You're not going to get full comprehension in a 5 minute video. It took me over a year of research and experimentation to convince MYSELF that this is valid.
When I say LETHAL Toxins I am referring to say..Bleach. Would you or Clayton consume a 1/10 ratio of bleach/h20 after it has passed through this device?
LETHAL as in it would kill you under normal conditions..right then and there..not 10-20 yrs from now.
The oil spill and dispersant continue to enter our water supply. I'd like to see Clayton address the more extreme applications of this water "filter" . that kind of data. thank you.
@leadbonanza -- structured water is natural. Its stability is dependent on the individual, environment, and energy that it is in. Water is not a static substance. It is affected by the people and energetics that it is subjected to. The water that you buy from the store, or get or shower or bathe in, is not natural. It contains *information* of everything it has encountered on its journey to reach you. Structuring causes those frequencies to be canceled out, and their effects to be turned off.
@phaelosopher You say that water contains *information* about what it has encountered. Assuming that the effect you are describing actually does exist, how might one detect the presence of such *information*? More importantly, is there some way in which the water could be analyzed to decode this *information* to determine what it has encountered?
what the crap... so he can build a device that structures water but he can't explain how it works? or show some schematics or something? and he's a physicist? it has 'high life force energy' wtf is that?
@paperboy438 -- Instead of infantile criticism, why don't you LOOK IT UP? If you don't have life force energy, you don't have HEALTH. If you don't have health long enough, the next thing to do is LIFE. Being critical just to hear yourself sound superior only reveals that you're not really interested in learning anything.
@phaelosopher take it easy there simba i'm not biting at your balls. why are you so offended by some skepticism? the guy doesn't explain anything about the machine that you can look up to see if it's true lol. throwing the water in a stream and collecting it at the bottom might ionize it a bit, but it's nearly impossible to have water that isn't ionized lol asking questions is the key to overcoming ignorance young grasshopper.
@paperboy438 -- Paper... in my opinion, skepticism is best expressed after the skeptic puts some energy into understanding the ideas presented, and has come up short. The presenter has reason to believe what he or she is saying is true. Research should bear it out, which takes some effort on the part of those who don't yet understand. Clayton's approach won't be "understood" in a 5 minute video. Yet, it significantly improves water and health, and that information is also forthcoming. Patience.
@phaelosopher but just listen to the guy, what does he say that i can look up and research? i don't expect to learn it all from this video, but i at least expect some leads. how can you confirm that it improves water and health and not know how it works? i watched your other videos too. i've grown plants, and they need RO water with a balanced pH depending on the medium. then you got your NPK,blue and red spectrum light, light cycles, CO2, and THAT'S it, you will have huge amazing plants.
@phaelosopher read some books on botany. plants get their water from their roots in the ground. even if rainfall is charged while falling towards earth in some special way, it seeps into the ground before it's even absorbed, neutralizing any 'charge' it got on it's journey. besides rainfall collects lots of dust and dirt on the way down. every green part on a plant is meant to take in light not water. if roots are exposed to light they start to decay and rot. this is experience talking.
@phaelosopher a plant only grows as fast or as big as it's weakest ingredient allows it. you can tell EXACTLY whats wrong with a plant by looking at it! chemical burn, dehydration, lack of whatever. we have ppm meters to measure the uptake of a plant, not 'energy life force' meters. come on man tell me where i can read EXACTLY what the difference is between structured water and RO water. don't give me that chi bologna, plants don't need chi to be happy and prosper.
@paperboy438 -- You are absolutely right. And I've seen reports and heard from growers who have made NO OTHER CHANGE BUT THIS STRUCTURING TECHNOLOGY, and their plants (and animals) have grown faster, were healthier, had higher nutrient density, and longer shelf life. No one is making this up. You don't have to believe it, but summarily putting it down because you haven't done your own homework doesn't serve you. And plants DO need COHERENT energy to heal and prosper, just like you and me.
@phaelosopher just tell me straight up, or tell me what to look up to understand what this structuring technology does. the physicist himself said 'it makes it wetter'. he didn't mention a thing about the mechanics behind structuring, like how it gets 'wetter' so if you could please open my eyes to what i should read about to understand it, i would be most grateful. where are some schematics or tech info about the units?
@phaelosopher What you are referring to isn't a scientific study. Even if it was, it would also have to control for the placebo effect. The human body does have the ability to heal itself in many ways, but that isn't what either you or the video are claiming. They seem to be claiming that the structured water improves your health, not your own mind.
@DeraJa -- A healthy mind will improve the health of the body. However, REMOVING THE EFFECTS OF CHEMICALS IN WATER, AS THESE DEVICES DO, HELPS IMPROVE HEALTH. Plants and animals don't care whether a "scientific study" was done or not. They grow faster and are healthier when water is structured. You WON'T SEE a "scientific study" done on this by people who believe that water MUST be chlorinated or fluoridated. They'd have to look for new treatment methods. Too lazy to do that.
A simple study would be 2 plants, grown side by side, using for one plant, the special water, and for the other, regular water. And you'll need someone to randomly hand you the water so you don't know which is which.
Try this on 10 or 20 pairs of plants, and see what you get over a predetermined number of weeks. Of course you'd see this in print if it worked. Super easy to do. No real money required (except, of course, to buy the machines that jiggle your water).
@StarvingForTruth -- I have posted other videos where the unit was installed in a strawberry field. The changes to the nutrient density, size, shelf-life, and health of the strawberries was unassailable. Even after they stopped using fertilizer the section of the field watered by the unit continued to produce healthy, abundant berries. I've also done the 2 plant experiment on my patio last year in AZ. The structured water plant was bigger, hardier than the tap plant, and even resisted sunburn.
sure. but that's not a scientific study. there's no controls, and it relies entirely on your subjective observations. it's just a simple fact of science that these machines don't do anything for you. sure, and electric field can temporarily hold water molecules in a certain pattern, but the instant that they leave that field - soon as you drink it - it's all moot.
if this worked at all, emoto would have real data to back his machine. it would make him a fortune.
@StarvingForTruth -- One reason you're starving for truth is that you don't seem to be able to discern it using your own judgment and reason. You suggested that a simple side-by-side study might demonstrate the efficacy, and you're right. I tell you it has been done. I've seen the results. Yet, you dismiss it. There is quite a bit of science behind this, and the scientists who initially did the research were ridiculed too, until they saw what water could do. No point in talking to a closed mind.
no. i starve for truth because there's so little of it to be found - so much bullshit, like this machine, and this concept. and i'm sorry, but i have no idea what this 'science' is behind this stuff.
can you name me one of the scientists and where their studies can be found? are they better than Emoto's fraudulant work that is featured in 'what the bleep do we know'.? maybe the plant you gave SW grew better. maybe it was the seed. maybe it was random.
close minded? that's about the most inaccurate comment anyone could make about yours truly. open minded doesn't mean you have to believe everything anybody says. that's just naive. if YOU had an open mind, you'd also be skeptical. but, instead, you're insulating a belief. shoot.
i call your bluff. i say there's no science to this.
@phaelosopher If you have seen these results, show them to the world by making a video out of it. Make sure to include a proton NMR spectrum of the water so that its 'structure' can be verified.
@LutheranChemist -- You seek and find your kind of truth, I'll seek mine. I've seen how live plants, animals, and people respond to the intake of coherent, energy rich water that come out of these devices. I don't need a NMR device to confirm what reality is presenting to me. If you have such a device, however, do your own tests and let us know what you find.
@phaelosopher You're the one making the claim here, so it is up to you to do the test. If like most people you don't own an NMR spectrometer, you can take a little sample of your water to the nearest university that has a chemistry department and they would probably be willing to give you a proton spectrum of it for less than $200.
@LutheranChemist -- Fortunately, we were endowed with the ability to determine what works and what does not long before NMR spectrometers came along. If you need that kind of proof, it's yours to get. There are other ways, and I've seen enough to satisfy me and share. You won't be convinced by anything I say, but you will be by your own experience, that is, if you're willing. Best wishes to you.
@phaelosopher I'm not calling you a liar or saying that you are wrong, I'm just trying to understand your position and if you provide me with some hard evidence I will be convinced. Let's assume for a minute that this water actually does everything you say it does. Where did you get the idea that the water molecules are structured or arranged in some way without the use of spectroscopy and how did you establish the causal relationship between the structure and the health benefits?
@LutheranChemist -- Clayton Nolte, who developed this particular technology, has observed the changes via spectroscopy. However, it has also been confirmed and observed energetically, via electro-photonic imaging technology, and by German photon researcher Fritz-Albert Popp's photon multiplier device. The health benefits came through experimentation on plants, animals, and people, observation, and personal experience. For background, look into the work of Viktor Schauberger. Callum Coats books.
@phaelosopher In all respect to the very real notion of discerning what is best based on personal guidance.. if there is truth and proof .. how is it "wrong" or "against" personal guidance to show any evidence?
Im a huge supporter of this technology btw.. im just a little taken back at how "scientific" reasoning and data take a back seat. "" do your own test and let us know..."" you mean buy this product without us revealing the data that has apparently been collected but won't share.. y?
Very interesting how people from the government are using money/resources against us. People in the government do not want us to be conscious. Do not want us to be awake. Understand that you should perhaps do the research to understand the benefits of this product. I am a plumber and I have seem many other systems are used to change the state and energy content of water the results are profound. But hey you are one of those that are being paid to stay asleep. Why not try it ??
In my opinion, these people give false hope to millions and deserve to be sued for false advertising. "Structured water feels wetter??" SO..... when we structure water, we release bad chemicals and free them to be what they really are? Let's all grow up and admit that what you are selling here is nothing different than a Brita filter.
@hcarducci -- You're entitled to your OPINION, but please hear that you're making it without any knowledge of what you're talking about. This isn't about "hope," it's about restoring health and healing, and KNOWING how to do it. Now if YOU *KNOW* how to help people heal, please share. But then, be prepared for people who don't KNOW what they're talking about to give their OPINION that YOU should be sued.
Critical -- your vocabulary and your thinking, is so limited. One day you will want to understand the things you're so apathetic about now. You will remember this moment and wish you hadn't been so arrogant. When you are ready to understand, it will come, but not a moment before.
infrared spectroscopy and mass spectrometry are two very different procedures. FTIR measures electromagnetic vibrational frequencies of bonds in molecules. Mass spectrometry (usually accompanied by a GC) determines molecular mass and structure based on ion fragmentation pattern. So, which is it and where do the peaks appear that don't appear in normal water?
i didn't get it fully i think is it pure H2O made from hyrogen and oxygen or does it have minerals and other stuff good for healt(just cleaner drinking water)
You've either not seen (or avoided) my questions on your comments page AND by email. Clearly you are here if you are putting up videos still, so I will ask you yet again, courteously, do you have anything to say about the YouTube user, theincrediblejy? He has been using MMS for months and is feeling WORSE after the experience. As he is one of only a few independent people with the bravery to make a video log, I think you could at least give me some kind of opinion on this apparent failure of MMS
Hi Dave. In spite of the potential for immediate interaction afforded by the internet, LIFE gets in the way sometimes. I have responded to your initial question. The YouTuber's experience is not a failure of MMS. HE simply hasn't succeeded in what he says he is seeking. Chlorine dioxide does what it does without fail. Whether he realizes the results he's looking for, or even if it is what HE needs, is another question altogether.
I am truly sorry for making a nuisance of myself and for my impatience. Please understand it was only out of a sincere desire to find out more about the product and your views on the subject that I have made such a pest out of myself. I have since responded to your own email and promise you I will not bother you again.
sounds like he's saying that "structured water" are some sort of nano substance that are consciously and intelligently sorting out all the toxins out of your body and rebuilding it by nourishing your cells. that's a really big claim to say the least. so where is the evidence?
sountay 2 weeks ago
That's right some ignorant people need to do the research before they start shitting on things they don't understand. Just ignore them... They are closed minded fools. This is an actual study and has been tested and proven.
Smurfy10285 1 month ago
Structured water is REAL, it has been scientifically fucking proven you idiots, do some research, there's been lots of tests showing the energetic states of water.
uNtouchable1337 1 month ago
Thank you!..Amazing!..Cheers! : )
nutral84 4 months ago
pH=power of hydrogen
curtisrau 5 months ago
"It has a high life force energy"? I sensed pseudoscience at the beginning, but I didn't expect new age magic.
Even worse is the reported difference… "it feels wetter, it tastes better, it's denser." It's wetter, really? It's DENSER? I have a feeling this guy failed high-school chemistry…
VBAadmin 6 months ago
Mr. Nolte is horrible at explaining it and seems like a half-assed conman but I think he's referring to crystalline or 'EZ' water as Dr. Gerald Pollack of McGill University(formerly of UW) prefers to call it.
A brief rundown of Pollack's theory and the scientific evidence supporting it can be seen in the UW 32nd Annual Faculty Lecture here on Youtube under the title: "Water, Energy and Life: Fresh Views From the Water's Edge".
But I could be wrong as this guy is confusing. It is wetter, lol.
Masta420 6 months ago
I think many of the people making comments here need to stick to drinking tap water or do more research... There is much more to water than one might think and since we are 70% water... it would seem worthy of some research rather than simple minded negative comments...
braithmorgan 6 months ago
Structured water???
where do you get your snake oil
fb002a 6 months ago
oh and dont forget the only way you can tell regular water apart from "structured" water is and i quote
"ITS WETTER"
seriously.....thats the best you got....I think you need to make a better word salad sir
showman8694 1 year ago 4
And you are a QUACK
did you make good sales when ever CIEAURA was promoting that it worked best with this so called STRUCTURED water.....oh please what he is holding is the same filters that we use to purify the water for our ice machine! oh but dont forget that the water is WETTER that regular water....
showman8694 1 year ago 3
And you are a QUACK
did you make good sales when ever CIEAURA was promoting that it worked best with this so called STRUCTURED water.....oh please what he is holding is the same filters that we use to purify the water for our ice machine!
showman8694 1 year ago
We are using similar devices in out labs to stir water.
No proof has been provided on how this would make water better or healthier. It doesn't sound reasonable, but if proof is provided science can embrace the method.
But really now, what is done to the water in this process is done to almost all observed water in science and noone has noted anything special about it, ever.
nikeplektrum 1 year ago
@nikeplektrum There is no proof that these people can provide. Microscopes can't detect it. It looks the same, weighs the same. In fact, it behaves in every way like ordinary water. You must rely on faith. Belief makes it real. Run-off streams are always good for a body, and if you put hydrochloric acid in a blender, it will be perfectly safe to drink. I can't believe you don't know this.
Greg042869 1 year ago 2
For instance.. just to point out a major weakness in the way you guys are promoting this :
Would you peronsally drink lethal toxins mixed in with your water if they have passed through one of these devices.. Because that is what you are basically alluding too.
provide solid data so we can decide how far this water will protect us from toxins.
KosKostick 1 year ago 2
@KosKostick -- I appreciate your attempt to help shore up the presentation, but people are drinking lethal toxins NOW. Their bodies are responding to chemicals that are already in the water. So you can simply ignore what we're saying and do what you've already done, or perhaps be open to learning more. You're not going to get full comprehension in a 5 minute video. It took me over a year of research and experimentation to convince MYSELF that this is valid.
phaelosopher 1 year ago
@phaelosopher I think you missed the point.
When I say LETHAL Toxins I am referring to say..Bleach. Would you or Clayton consume a 1/10 ratio of bleach/h20 after it has passed through this device?
LETHAL as in it would kill you under normal conditions..right then and there..not 10-20 yrs from now.
The oil spill and dispersant continue to enter our water supply. I'd like to see Clayton address the more extreme applications of this water "filter" . that kind of data. thank you.
KosKostick 1 year ago
How long does water stay structured? I bet it stays structured as long as it is for sale, as soon as it is sold it returns to natural water.
leadbonanza 1 year ago
@leadbonanza -- structured water is natural. Its stability is dependent on the individual, environment, and energy that it is in. Water is not a static substance. It is affected by the people and energetics that it is subjected to. The water that you buy from the store, or get or shower or bathe in, is not natural. It contains *information* of everything it has encountered on its journey to reach you. Structuring causes those frequencies to be canceled out, and their effects to be turned off.
phaelosopher 1 year ago
@phaelosopher You say that water contains *information* about what it has encountered. Assuming that the effect you are describing actually does exist, how might one detect the presence of such *information*? More importantly, is there some way in which the water could be analyzed to decode this *information* to determine what it has encountered?
LutheranChemist 1 year ago 3
memory? life force energy? balance nature?
is this guy on LSD while filming?
this is junk folks. don't believe it.
StarvingForTruth 1 year ago
I was instructed by a world class chemist that there is no such thing as a structure to water as such.
this is all bunk, to sell you stuff, just like Emoto's art project disguised as science.
StarvingForTruth 1 year ago
ITS FUCKING WATER!
whats wrong with you people!
DeraJa 1 year ago
would you make a unit that is BPA free for me ?
irrah77 1 year ago
Ah yes, refreshing pseudoscience!
ivalmian 1 year ago
Thank you.
I drink water that has been placed in copper cups to structure it.
I sell MMS in my health store. Does that structure the water?
GoodVibrationsHealth 1 year ago
@GoodVibrationsHealth
no such thing as structured water. go ask an organic chemist - not a phsyicist who is selling you things.
StarvingForTruth 1 year ago
what the crap... so he can build a device that structures water but he can't explain how it works? or show some schematics or something? and he's a physicist? it has 'high life force energy' wtf is that?
paperboy438 1 year ago
@paperboy438 -- Instead of infantile criticism, why don't you LOOK IT UP? If you don't have life force energy, you don't have HEALTH. If you don't have health long enough, the next thing to do is LIFE. Being critical just to hear yourself sound superior only reveals that you're not really interested in learning anything.
phaelosopher 1 year ago
@phaelosopher take it easy there simba i'm not biting at your balls. why are you so offended by some skepticism? the guy doesn't explain anything about the machine that you can look up to see if it's true lol. throwing the water in a stream and collecting it at the bottom might ionize it a bit, but it's nearly impossible to have water that isn't ionized lol asking questions is the key to overcoming ignorance young grasshopper.
paperboy438 1 year ago
@paperboy438 -- Paper... in my opinion, skepticism is best expressed after the skeptic puts some energy into understanding the ideas presented, and has come up short. The presenter has reason to believe what he or she is saying is true. Research should bear it out, which takes some effort on the part of those who don't yet understand. Clayton's approach won't be "understood" in a 5 minute video. Yet, it significantly improves water and health, and that information is also forthcoming. Patience.
phaelosopher 1 year ago
@phaelosopher but just listen to the guy, what does he say that i can look up and research? i don't expect to learn it all from this video, but i at least expect some leads. how can you confirm that it improves water and health and not know how it works? i watched your other videos too. i've grown plants, and they need RO water with a balanced pH depending on the medium. then you got your NPK,blue and red spectrum light, light cycles, CO2, and THAT'S it, you will have huge amazing plants.
paperboy438 1 year ago
@phaelosopher read some books on botany. plants get their water from their roots in the ground. even if rainfall is charged while falling towards earth in some special way, it seeps into the ground before it's even absorbed, neutralizing any 'charge' it got on it's journey. besides rainfall collects lots of dust and dirt on the way down. every green part on a plant is meant to take in light not water. if roots are exposed to light they start to decay and rot. this is experience talking.
paperboy438 1 year ago
@phaelosopher a plant only grows as fast or as big as it's weakest ingredient allows it. you can tell EXACTLY whats wrong with a plant by looking at it! chemical burn, dehydration, lack of whatever. we have ppm meters to measure the uptake of a plant, not 'energy life force' meters. come on man tell me where i can read EXACTLY what the difference is between structured water and RO water. don't give me that chi bologna, plants don't need chi to be happy and prosper.
paperboy438 1 year ago
@paperboy438 -- You are absolutely right. And I've seen reports and heard from growers who have made NO OTHER CHANGE BUT THIS STRUCTURING TECHNOLOGY, and their plants (and animals) have grown faster, were healthier, had higher nutrient density, and longer shelf life. No one is making this up. You don't have to believe it, but summarily putting it down because you haven't done your own homework doesn't serve you. And plants DO need COHERENT energy to heal and prosper, just like you and me.
phaelosopher 1 year ago
@phaelosopher just tell me straight up, or tell me what to look up to understand what this structuring technology does. the physicist himself said 'it makes it wetter'. he didn't mention a thing about the mechanics behind structuring, like how it gets 'wetter' so if you could please open my eyes to what i should read about to understand it, i would be most grateful. where are some schematics or tech info about the units?
paperboy438 1 year ago
@phaelosopher What you are referring to isn't a scientific study. Even if it was, it would also have to control for the placebo effect. The human body does have the ability to heal itself in many ways, but that isn't what either you or the video are claiming. They seem to be claiming that the structured water improves your health, not your own mind.
DeraJa 1 year ago
@DeraJa -- A healthy mind will improve the health of the body. However, REMOVING THE EFFECTS OF CHEMICALS IN WATER, AS THESE DEVICES DO, HELPS IMPROVE HEALTH. Plants and animals don't care whether a "scientific study" was done or not. They grow faster and are healthier when water is structured. You WON'T SEE a "scientific study" done on this by people who believe that water MUST be chlorinated or fluoridated. They'd have to look for new treatment methods. Too lazy to do that.
phaelosopher 1 year ago
@phaelosopher
A simple study would be 2 plants, grown side by side, using for one plant, the special water, and for the other, regular water. And you'll need someone to randomly hand you the water so you don't know which is which.
Try this on 10 or 20 pairs of plants, and see what you get over a predetermined number of weeks. Of course you'd see this in print if it worked. Super easy to do. No real money required (except, of course, to buy the machines that jiggle your water).
StarvingForTruth 1 year ago
@StarvingForTruth -- I have posted other videos where the unit was installed in a strawberry field. The changes to the nutrient density, size, shelf-life, and health of the strawberries was unassailable. Even after they stopped using fertilizer the section of the field watered by the unit continued to produce healthy, abundant berries. I've also done the 2 plant experiment on my patio last year in AZ. The structured water plant was bigger, hardier than the tap plant, and even resisted sunburn.
phaelosopher 1 year ago
@phaelosopher
sure. but that's not a scientific study. there's no controls, and it relies entirely on your subjective observations. it's just a simple fact of science that these machines don't do anything for you. sure, and electric field can temporarily hold water molecules in a certain pattern, but the instant that they leave that field - soon as you drink it - it's all moot.
if this worked at all, emoto would have real data to back his machine. it would make him a fortune.
StarvingForTruth 1 year ago
@StarvingForTruth -- One reason you're starving for truth is that you don't seem to be able to discern it using your own judgment and reason. You suggested that a simple side-by-side study might demonstrate the efficacy, and you're right. I tell you it has been done. I've seen the results. Yet, you dismiss it. There is quite a bit of science behind this, and the scientists who initially did the research were ridiculed too, until they saw what water could do. No point in talking to a closed mind.
phaelosopher 1 year ago
@phaelosopher
no. i starve for truth because there's so little of it to be found - so much bullshit, like this machine, and this concept. and i'm sorry, but i have no idea what this 'science' is behind this stuff.
can you name me one of the scientists and where their studies can be found? are they better than Emoto's fraudulant work that is featured in 'what the bleep do we know'.? maybe the plant you gave SW grew better. maybe it was the seed. maybe it was random.
StarvingForTruth 1 year ago
@phaelosopher
close minded? that's about the most inaccurate comment anyone could make about yours truly. open minded doesn't mean you have to believe everything anybody says. that's just naive. if YOU had an open mind, you'd also be skeptical. but, instead, you're insulating a belief. shoot.
i call your bluff. i say there's no science to this.
StarvingForTruth 1 year ago
@phaelosopher If you have seen these results, show them to the world by making a video out of it. Make sure to include a proton NMR spectrum of the water so that its 'structure' can be verified.
LutheranChemist 1 year ago
@LutheranChemist -- You seek and find your kind of truth, I'll seek mine. I've seen how live plants, animals, and people respond to the intake of coherent, energy rich water that come out of these devices. I don't need a NMR device to confirm what reality is presenting to me. If you have such a device, however, do your own tests and let us know what you find.
phaelosopher 1 year ago
@phaelosopher You're the one making the claim here, so it is up to you to do the test. If like most people you don't own an NMR spectrometer, you can take a little sample of your water to the nearest university that has a chemistry department and they would probably be willing to give you a proton spectrum of it for less than $200.
LutheranChemist 1 year ago
@LutheranChemist -- Fortunately, we were endowed with the ability to determine what works and what does not long before NMR spectrometers came along. If you need that kind of proof, it's yours to get. There are other ways, and I've seen enough to satisfy me and share. You won't be convinced by anything I say, but you will be by your own experience, that is, if you're willing. Best wishes to you.
phaelosopher 1 year ago
@phaelosopher I'm not calling you a liar or saying that you are wrong, I'm just trying to understand your position and if you provide me with some hard evidence I will be convinced. Let's assume for a minute that this water actually does everything you say it does. Where did you get the idea that the water molecules are structured or arranged in some way without the use of spectroscopy and how did you establish the causal relationship between the structure and the health benefits?
LutheranChemist 1 year ago
@LutheranChemist -- Clayton Nolte, who developed this particular technology, has observed the changes via spectroscopy. However, it has also been confirmed and observed energetically, via electro-photonic imaging technology, and by German photon researcher Fritz-Albert Popp's photon multiplier device. The health benefits came through experimentation on plants, animals, and people, observation, and personal experience. For background, look into the work of Viktor Schauberger. Callum Coats books.
phaelosopher 1 year ago
@phaelosopher Now we're getting somewhere. What type of spectroscopy was used and what was unique about the spectrum of the structured water?
LutheranChemist 1 year ago
@LutheranChemist I will. He's a snake oil salesman.
Greg042869 1 year ago 3
@phaelosopher In all respect to the very real notion of discerning what is best based on personal guidance.. if there is truth and proof .. how is it "wrong" or "against" personal guidance to show any evidence?
Im a huge supporter of this technology btw.. im just a little taken back at how "scientific" reasoning and data take a back seat. "" do your own test and let us know..."" you mean buy this product without us revealing the data that has apparently been collected but won't share.. y?
KosKostick 1 year ago
@paperboy438
Very interesting how people from the government are using money/resources against us. People in the government do not want us to be conscious. Do not want us to be awake. Understand that you should perhaps do the research to understand the benefits of this product. I am a plumber and I have seem many other systems are used to change the state and energy content of water the results are profound. But hey you are one of those that are being paid to stay asleep. Why not try it ??
GusChief 1 year ago
In my opinion, these people give false hope to millions and deserve to be sued for false advertising. "Structured water feels wetter??" SO..... when we structure water, we release bad chemicals and free them to be what they really are? Let's all grow up and admit that what you are selling here is nothing different than a Brita filter.
hcarducci 1 year ago
@hcarducci -- You're entitled to your OPINION, but please hear that you're making it without any knowledge of what you're talking about. This isn't about "hope," it's about restoring health and healing, and KNOWING how to do it. Now if YOU *KNOW* how to help people heal, please share. But then, be prepared for people who don't KNOW what they're talking about to give their OPINION that YOU should be sued.
phaelosopher 1 year ago
The only difference between structured water and non structured water is how much money there is in your wallet. It's complete bullshit.
tottalycritical 1 year ago
Critical -- your vocabulary and your thinking, is so limited. One day you will want to understand the things you're so apathetic about now. You will remember this moment and wish you hadn't been so arrogant. When you are ready to understand, it will come, but not a moment before.
phaelosopher 1 year ago
What type of structures appear in the water? Can they be verified using spectroscopy?
AtheistFromHell4 2 years ago
Yes.
You can see and measure the differences between structured and non-structured water using an Infra-red mass spectroscopy unit.
acorntechnique 2 years ago
infrared spectroscopy and mass spectrometry are two very different procedures. FTIR measures electromagnetic vibrational frequencies of bonds in molecules. Mass spectrometry (usually accompanied by a GC) determines molecular mass and structure based on ion fragmentation pattern. So, which is it and where do the peaks appear that don't appear in normal water?
AtheistFromHell4 2 years ago
i didn't get it fully i think is it pure H2O made from hyrogen and oxygen or does it have minerals and other stuff good for healt(just cleaner drinking water)
GostBoo 2 years ago
Can this device help to structure distilled water?
mrchekky 2 years ago
Yes it will structure any water that is run through it, basically revivifying the water. .
phaelosopher 2 years ago
You people don't understand. Structured water doesn't exist. It's a lie.
AtheistFromHell4 2 years ago
according to you, so is everything in the bible
brownstone423 1 year ago
Pretty much. The bible is as far as I or any other sane person can tell 100% pure bullshit.
AtheistFromHell4 1 year ago 7
LOL! Atheist from Hell??? The best joke of today! Hey dude, how come Hell exist without a heaven? LOLOLOL
Leopold77777 1 year ago
Is this the same unit being sold under the name "Nature's Hydration"?
claritylovenlight 2 years ago
Why ???
HermeticPoet 2 years ago
Yes.
phaelosopher 2 years ago
You've either not seen (or avoided) my questions on your comments page AND by email. Clearly you are here if you are putting up videos still, so I will ask you yet again, courteously, do you have anything to say about the YouTube user, theincrediblejy? He has been using MMS for months and is feeling WORSE after the experience. As he is one of only a few independent people with the bravery to make a video log, I think you could at least give me some kind of opinion on this apparent failure of MMS
DavieKN 2 years ago
Hi Dave. In spite of the potential for immediate interaction afforded by the internet, LIFE gets in the way sometimes. I have responded to your initial question. The YouTuber's experience is not a failure of MMS. HE simply hasn't succeeded in what he says he is seeking. Chlorine dioxide does what it does without fail. Whether he realizes the results he's looking for, or even if it is what HE needs, is another question altogether.
Regards,
Adam...
phaelosopher 2 years ago
I am truly sorry for making a nuisance of myself and for my impatience. Please understand it was only out of a sincere desire to find out more about the product and your views on the subject that I have made such a pest out of myself. I have since responded to your own email and promise you I will not bother you again.
Thanks for your help and advice.
My best,
David
DavieKN 2 years ago