"Modesty is like Pornography" (FEMALE MOTOVLOG RANT)

[alarikmarcus]

I totally agree. One might argue that one form of objectification is better than the other (a different undertone), but I was actually infuriated to hear that an acquaintance of mine has "sold out" into this objectified view of women (as a woman). I mean, I hate guys that are players, but both sides are unhealthy, in both similar and opposite ways. Why can't people be more ... normal? I find girls to be generally more interesting than other guys anyway, even on a professional level.

[thatssplendid]

Is that a Kodak Playsport? Looks an awful lot like my set up.

[dimma78]

Wow that was a touch to serious for me young lady,not what I was expecting going by the title! What you say is so true but not everybody or all of us are as well rounded as you,just saying.

[rightinthefriggineye]

on a lighter note... lol to the PJ's under the gear

Are you going to see someone about this sleep-motovlogging? :)

[ridethroughlife]

As a non-christian guy I totally agree. I've held my beliefs for a long time, so this aspect of men and women has never dawned on me, but I think it's interesting. It completely makes sense. I've seen devout guys be completely afraid of women because they are uncomfortable with what seems like going straight to addressing sex when they aren't even aware of the fact that girls can just be cool too. Interesting subject indeed.

[Anonymoussomeonenr1]

I´ve changed my mind. To state: "Modesty is like phornography" is saying "To be innocent like a little child without any sexual perversions in mind is like fully enjoying your sexual perversions"

[lauriejennifer]

@Anonymoussomeonenr1 Did you watch the vlog? I'm assuming you're going by the title. If you did watch it, I am wondering why on earth you would be saying this, as it would not be valid to the actual content. I think we're on two different pages here. I don't mind disagreement, but please disagree with an actual point I made.

[Anonymoussomeonenr1]

@lauriejennifer You where right, I was going by the title and thought you was just some crazy figure. I´m sorry. Now that I HAVE seen it I understand your point better. As long as they don´t have sisters they can be almost like a little afraid of women. I´ve heard quite a few saying they suspect immodestly dressed women for trying to tempt them into sexual sin. I wonder if they don´t know women usually have a negative body-image and doesent think they look sexually tempting.

[Anonymoussomeonenr1]

"Modesty=Pornography"? To say that is to say virtue=vice.

[RedlineScream]

Self control, not seperation. =) *like*

[flynjay1]

I agree with you 100%. But of course, I'm not a christian guy.

It's just another form of extremism. If they actually taught that all people should be respected and taught their kids about sex and relationships then a

lot of social problems could be avoided.

Also, segregating girls from boys also provides a mystique that children will wonder about and want whatever is being forcibly kept from them.

[thekeytoairpower]

Pensacola Christian College

[thekeytoairpower]

I think you took a very circuitous path to get to a valid point. The flip of it though is that it is impossible to create nuanced individualised rules when dealing with a large group. It is feasible to treat people as individuals when you are in a group of three or four, but once you get into a large group you get a flock or a herd or a mob, and mobs can only be controlled by strict order. Perhaps He was onto something with that "2 or three gathered in my name" thing....

[h2otek]

On the other hand, I will acknowledge that being married has slightly redefined what is an appropriate friendship with someone of the opposite sex. It is much easier & better IMO to include my wife and/or her husband (if she's married). That is just common sense. I do not need to put myself in a compromising spot!~ Occasionally (rarely) there might as a result be some minor awkwardness, but much better that than sabotaging my marriage! Real modesty comes from the heart not a rulebook!

[h2otek]

Interesting take. You are right in that the "imposed prudism" has nothing to do with reality and is not healthy. You used the term "legalism" appropriately. The Apostle Paul had strong words against those who thought that "the rules" made them righteous. They don't! Taking the 'right thing' to a ridiculous extreme for all the wrong reasons is never right. It misses the point entirely. Modesty itself is good. Extreme phoney modesty- definitely not God's idea!

[CultureShockSix]

I think genders should be mixed. The moment people stop being people and just become objects, the moment they become a resource to be exploited - as is Human Nature. After all, rape isn't rape if your victim is an 'it'; and the fastest way to objectify people is to segregate them so that people never learn to identify them as people.

But... It's just religious "morals". They're never questioned because it has *always* been taught that way; so whatever the outcome, it *must* be correct.

[2wielen]

Good point, would be an excellent topic on reddit.com :)

[GuilhermeCosta1992]

I'm supposedly a Christian, but my family doesn't care about religion, believe what you want. My family is supposedly Christian too, but they're Agnostic and I'm Atheist. By this I mean, I didn't have that kind of education (and here in Portugal, even true believers don't do it like in the US). And still, with my education, I still feel that separation, from guys to girls. I have female friends (more than male friends nowadays) but it is still different, and separating sexes would be even worse.

[sheepborg]

I will admit, i am no christian, and that being said no bashing.

But i would absolutely DIE not getting to know girls. I mean, sex is cool and all, but that is not somehow the ultimate goal in meeting a girl.

You get to know a girl for similar reasons you are friends with a guy, but the one advantage is that they arent a guy, and you can therefore have a talk that is not sex, women, or videogames right?

I love my friends that so happen to be girls, they are my bridge to sanity some days.

[mister0ldschool]

im christian and have quite a few girl friends, that is girls who are friends lol speaking from past experiences its the girl who stops being friends with me though :\

[SBeyond20]

im so lost(looking at bike)...what happend to your kawasaki? i remember those videos and now keep seeing this bike more then it

[Sonicadvance1]

@SBeyond20 It's still a kawasaki, she just went from a Ninja to a KLX250SF

[SBeyond20]

@Sonicadvance1 ooo i see xD...well both bikes are cool,i have a 09 ninja and felt i had more incommon when she had it also...but the KLX250SF looks fun too

[dahveed284]

You make an excellent point about that. Often those very conservative religions are also the same that object to women having any role outside of the house.

[annkunwar]

good rant Laurie, we have the same issue in Islam I believe, especially the highly segregated atmospheres. I keep ranting about this too; Men grow up to look at women as if they're aliens and then they don't know how to react to them, how to respect them, how to behave around them etc. There really needs to be a balance, extreme of everything is bad.

[dlinquencious]

Wow girl, huge topic! I definitely agree that some religions go too far and essentially create the opposite effect as a result of thier stifling oppression on the youth. Not fully feeling you on the pornography connection there but kudos to you for takin the bull by the horns. I'm thinkin you need to get into this a bit more but only if you feel like ranting. *_~ World needs more girls like you.

[aeroliner750]

 lol

[aeroliner750]

oh Laurie you have smore splaining to do of modesty and pornography

[edpotkay1]

omg cooties!! Can I catch that from a video?

[rcjg24]

hooray for us non-religious guys :D

haha. gotta love random bits throw into a rant =P

[dodgerider26]

Having met LJ in real life I will attest, 100% certain, that she has cooties. ;-)

[7hunted]

I love vids like this, ranting with a point ! I agree on your points ! What is needed is a little bit more knowledge, respect and interaction between the sexes, and less of the religious old fashioned point of view !

[edpotkay1]

I grew up as a christian. and was in a youth church group.

The values they teach are for the most part great. However, at some point in life you have to put yourself first!

Dont know much about Baptists other then the insane hater group (forgot their name)

My friend was a Jehovah witness, He is such a hypocrite it's not funny! He wont even be friends with me outside of work because I am not in his religion.

[bakker46]

Kids should be able to play and interact with each other no matter what age or where they are ... that way they learn to respect each other... so basically i'm with you on this one LOL

[cromick69]

You admit that modesty is the flip side (or the 180 degrees from) pornography, yet you say that pornography is LIKE modesty. That's contradictory. It's like saying black is like white. And besides, last time I saw a woman being modest, she didn't end up with "something" on their face at the end of it :p

[Snowhite808]

But then - If no one asked Yet - where did ALL this come from????

Did somebody tried to be "nasty" with You or turned You down as a friend cuz You not "willing".

Not joking at the moment. People who can´t keep that level of "distance" are probably very insecure anywho and don´t even know where tho fit in themselves. Now when it comes to little girls and boys - i hate when we teach 5 year olds that they need to play with barbies and boys only get cars and thats it. Wheres the sense in that?

[Snowhite808]

Someone once said to a teenage boy - it is not good to put "pussy" on a pedestal. Now it sounds dirty - but I would have to agree. How come then we have women activists demanding equal rights if the whole world is going the opposite way??? It is getting worse by the minute - when I was 12 I did not know what a girl wanted when she hinted "it". Now it is hard to find a 10 year old not knowing what or how condom works... Maybe the information freedom is not so good after all, huh?

[welshray1]

I agree with @suburbanryder human nature is complicated to say the least lol...

In my opinion there is only one real guarantee in this world, (other than our eventual mortality) and that is if you belive something to be tru then there will be someone in the world who belives the oposite to be tru. Human nature lol...

Also in my eyes women are my equal i just cant belive that in this "modern world" that inequality and racism still exists and there we are back at human nature again... lol

[crazyringo92]

@lauriejennifer I agree completely, but there's more to it than that unfortunately. I'd go into depth about it but I can't fit it into the space of a comment and still get my point across.

[FoxF8]

i agree and understand with what your saying. the church talks on alot of stuff half way. just because its a touchy subject to talk on. but yet that should be the best place to talk about it. but how we view girls in main stream is only getting worse. marketing for sure but even tv shows rarely portray females correctly. and with tv being almost everyone's only source of media. we really have to be careful with what we take in and let our younger generation really "understand" whats real and not

[kary1982v6]

I would have to agree.. it is very difficult as a Christian to constantly be told to be careful with the opposite gender because then you are always thinking about that (SEX), rather that who they are.. it really does make you think about the big "SEX" just as much as seeing porn.. interesting take.. I like the "outside the norm" perspective.. thanks!

[imoAndy]

Crazy thinking. It is unfortunate that the conservative movement is actually growing in America. Pray the gay away, women are for babies, etc, etc,. This sort of thinking needs to die.

[suburbanryder]

Ahhh ... human nature.

If someone sets up a partition and says, "Don't look at what's behind here."

 What's the first human reaction, no matter the sex, race or culture?

LOL

[ToastToGo]

For once, I completely agree.

[cashstore1]

I don't come across the overly religious male types very often. They are not in my world. In fact, I only know of one and he is my first cousin's boy. I get along with him fine. I would trust him with anything, and I do respect him 100%.

If I were to attend a Christian school I would probably be expelled. I am too much of a free thinker. I think separating the sexes is too 14th century.

[wheels1motors1]

That makes sence, but isn't it safer to seperate sometimes, based on the numbers and some reasonings.

[britex3186]

Does anyone ever really know or understand women? hehe. I tease. There are a lot of women that I myself could not be friends with and spend lots of time with them without wanting to lay hands on them simply because I am attracted to them physically. It complicates the relationship when you have that kind of attraction. That being said I have female friends that I can spend time with just because I don't feel that physical attraction to them. Not to say they aren't pretty, most are.

[AridersLife]

I have plently of friends that are girls. and we are good friends. we have never attempted to sleep with em

[Wilks89]

Never thought of Modesty and Pornography in that light, but I do agree with you. Mainly on the fact that to me, religion and christianity has to be the biggest farce ever laid upon this planet. If this world will ever wake up and understand the fact that there is no inferior race, creed, or sex, the planet would be such a better place overall.

[Apittington]

Part of the problem is that the groups that enforce that degree of segregation between the sexes WANT women to be objectified and repressed beings. They want women in the kitchen, or popping out more little extremists, "where they belong". They do not want them taking power from the men.

[TheTacticalBarrage]

WAIIT WAIIIIIT! LJ... you are a ....girl? *JAW DROP* nooo wahaay!. lol nice rant. now about my sandwich. lol :)

[invisiblemon]

So what's bugging you? Maybe time to follow your own path.

[parkranger443]

I was happy to grow up in a non religious household that was told that all woman are people and should be looked after and respected. We were taught that all people can be anything no matter their sex. I was one of those guys that most guys would say I was gay because I had female friends that I was not looking at for a sexual partner. I think that is why me and my wife are so happy is because we became friends before moving to the next step. Great subject by the way, really made me think.

[azwakko]

Great rant! I way too much to say on this for just a comment I got a video response coming up.

[67kneil]

great rant i have a girl bestest friend

[KeriNyx]

(...continued) I'm happy you have used the valuable teaching of your religion and applied them to our times rather than try to live word for word as if we were still in biblical times.

Modern Christians FTW.

- sincerely, your friendly atheist subscriber :)

[KeriNyx]

The scriptures were written a couple millennia ago when their view of women was that they were objects/property and this outlook was acceptable for the society at that time. It is not anymore, women have struggled and fought to change that outlook.

For the most part, we have but even though we've come this far, we still have oppression in certain parts of the world and sexism is still rampant even in countries like USA whose laws are that women have the same rights as men.

[Darylw27]

I've only really experienced what you are discusing once so far in my life. In the UK christians are few and far between, and it seems to be only baptists who are 'extreme' about it. It was the opposite of what you had said about the guys being awkward. This women thought any guy looking at her wanted straight into her pants and seemed to have been brainwashed that any guy that's not christian is a player or cheater. Segregation, especailly at pre teen life is just a bit daft imo.

[Fudmottin]

Blue and pink hair, sandwiches, OK. But collard shirts? Those are for nooses. Skirts were designed for easy access. Long dresses don't work so well.

But the real question is, why are you going out in your PJs?

[adaminsane]

Great rant, but I think it may be wrong to compare modesty to pornography. An adult who stars in pornography or sells sex is making a choice. It's their body, so it's their choice. Everyone who passes judgement on that individual has also made a choice. It doesn't matter if they look at it possitively or negetively.

In the case with the kids and the pool. The kids are not given a choice. The choice is made by those who look after them. It's a very different scenario.

[RandomFilmsUK]

i liked this rant.. and i'm a guy but i was told when i was younger by my uncle that women are only good for 2 things 1 sleeping with and 2 cooking.... but in my uncles defense if you ever had any of his cooking you would understand... that's if you was stil alive after eating what ever the hell he tried to make.

P.S. im a Christian... although I am not as extreme as this video suggests.. but sadly i know others that are.... although that might just be a difference between the UK and the USA.

[RZGOBLIN]

It the level of control that some people want to have and they don’t care about making sense!