12 of the best Egyptian fighter pilots took this flight on their way home after a training on the F-16.
The American gov planned for the 9/11 attacks or at least they know that the Mossad was the hidden hand behind it, then they pointed the fingers at "the terrorist Muslims". Now you wanna convince me that they won't try to cover this as well?
If this was a suicide attack, why he crashed the plane in the water not over the American soil?
some people really enjoy getting sodomized by the media.
@AmonBlack This was not suicide attack, just random suicide of the pilot, and because of that there was no need to crash it into American soil. He probably chose that part of the flight as captain left the cockpit so it was easier for this sad fucker to get things fucked up.
Well, if he commited suicide then may his soul rot in hell forever because he took innocent lives with him. He could have simply killed himself some where alone. But if this was an accident then may his soul rest in peace.
Funny you guys , when u talk about freedom of speech and u forgot about the freedom of thought which u never use, when u r not familiar with culture and other languages and slang just like ur M.F. to insult or call someone idiot and it does not mean the act itself......cmon, think as humans, stop race and religion things, this analysis is just a cartoon and what hits the plane ( even by mistake) is really missing in this video go back to TWA , THE SAME AREA, civilized Gentlemen.
Look this incident has nothing to do with any religion, there are sane and crazy muslims just as there are sane and crazy christians. Getting back to wat this vids about: This had to have been done on purpose b/c of two key facts: both pilots were controlling the stick in different directions and both engines were turned off. I don't care wat emergency you're having there is no reason to shutoff BOTH engines.
The plane was in international waters when it crashed, since Egypt lacks the capacity to investigate a plane crash at sea they asked the NTSB to investigate for them. The evidence clearly pointed to a intentional crash and the FBI got involved. Egypt of course objected to this and wanted their investigation back. They claim mechanical failure as the cause but the truth is that the pilot simply wanted to go be with Allah and took 216 innocent people with him.
@flightoftheunknown i'm not a muslim but i respect their culture very much. can't say the same about the americans tho, for one thing they don't even have a culture, besides the culture of war of course
@lealowo You respect their culture? You respect honor killing, incest, rape, torture, corruption, hipocracy, execution as punishment for being homosexual, Punishing women with torture and death when they're raped, basically treating women like cattle, like a commodity and not human beings? You respect a culture that exists for nothing other than to make the entire world an islamic state and eradicate the freedom that gives you the right to argue openly with me? Fuck you bro. You're a moron.
@flightoftheunknown Muslims are not terrorists. Terrorism is banned by the Muslim world as opposed to america where most citizens like yourself think they are the good guys and claim a right to invade countries, rape, torture, and so on. So don't come to me saying you're better than Muslims. If anything you're worse because you don't ban the behavior of your military class. That thing outside your country, called The World is worrying very much because of your greed for oil and blood
@lealowo I never compared americans to muslims, you did. I simply stated the obvious fact that terrorist or not, muslims are dirty shitbag assholes. Terrorism is banned by the muslim world the same way that talking on your cellphone while driving is against the law in america. It's illegal but most people dont give a shit and do it anyways. Just because the muslim world isnt invading other countries for the resourcs doesnt mean it doesnt want to, they just dont have the strength to do it.....
@lealowo .......because the muslim world doesnt know how to evolve into a society that can collectively become strong enough to launch an offensive that would overpower the Great military of the USA. Haa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! Kill the ragheads, cap the wells and build a transatlantic pipeline straight to new york. Fuck Islam and the whole crowd of idiots that follow Allah to their graves. Fuck them all and blow their shit up. Fucking sand niggers.
@flightoftheunknown I love this comment, you are so right. This plane crashed because the idiot pilot wanted to go be with Allah and did not care about taking 216 other people with him. The Egyptian authorities just cannot accept that fact. The American media totally dropped this story, I think I heard about it 2 or 3 times and then it was gone from the news. 216 people killed by a crazy muslim pilot and no one even knows about it.
@MNRick041 Nice to hear from someone that has their head screwed on straight. Allah is a fantasy and muslims are a bunch of terrorists, whether they're out of the closet or not. Religion of peace? Anyone that believes that is a moron. Anyone that uses that phrase to hide behind is a sadistic asshole that needs to be put down.
All the co-pilot said was "I trust in God" repeatedly, then suddenly the engines shut down and the elevators come to a position pretty much impossible to happen by chance... Accident... right...
@ballebanan Not exactly, first the RFO started repeating "I rely on God" then he disconnected the autopilot before reducing engine power to idle and going into a dive. When the captain returned and increased the throttles and pulled up, the RFO cut fuel flow to both engines and pushed down. To say the RFO was being counterproductive would be an understatement, saying it was an accident is just wrong.
and so @pixelmancer3 or probably if u have a pilot u know ask him about the cables and the wire stuff maybe u believe him so keep safe and take this advise from some one who knows what is aviation......dont say or dont give ur self alot of credit about knowledge in aviation cuz its a very laaaaaaarg place where u dont belong :) and dont forget that LARG is without an E :) goodnight
@pixelmancer3 first of all am really srry about the miss-/-spelling ITS A VERY BIG DEAL i know :) and they didnt find the black box and I KNOW what color the black box is and plz plz plz plz if u dont understand what r u talking about dont say non sense cuz first they didnt find the black box PLUS the elevator cables were iced cuz late back in time a/c where flown by cables now they r wire and not all of them SO u dont understand any thing :)
@MrKareemawad You really are a funny guy, don't apologize for misspelling humor as hummer, that's comedy. Anyway, not even the Egyptians mentioned that as a possibility and if the control cables inside a 767 could get iced up then it would've happened to other 767s by now. You might be confusing the problems with the rudder hydraulics on 737s getting too cold and reversing, that issue brought down two 737s and almost a third here in the states before the NTSB figured out what had happened.
@MrKareemawad Are u Insane?! Or just stupid, even if the elevators on the plane had frozen how do you explain why the engines were off? Watch the Air crash investigations episode and you'll see that the elevators had been a problem but had never had a serious enough defect to cause the crash. Do ur research!!
Plus even some of the oldest airliners built by this country used a few cables driven by mainly hydraulics. I know this b/c I'm taking courses in aviation Mechanics and we spent over 2 weeks learning hydraulics.
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that ALL commercial airliner from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. Some turbos like a beechcraft 1900D probably use cables, but jets need hydrualics b/c the control surfaces are heavy and can't be controlled by the pilots strength alone
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that ALL commercial airliner from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. Some turbos like a beechcraft 1900D probably use cables, but jets need hydrualics b/c the control surfaces are heavy and can't be controlled by the pilots strength alone
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
@wazithefreak and @pixelmancer3......first of all thats not of a sense of hummer thing,if u both didnt study any aviation dont talk like that wazithefreak the cables @ the elevator were iced they didnt move forced the a/c to dive...its a cpt. fault 75% of the avi. crashes r human factors plus the a/c was all egyptians double crew and 17 or 18 military cpts read about the flight crash plus i didnt hear any thing!!AND the black box wasnt found.....wounder who knows where is it now!
@MrKareemawad I can't tell if you're ignorant or a troll, either way you're a funny guy. Iced cables? That's like saying someone has frostbite in just their biceps, pretty much impossible. Also they did find the "black box", both of them, which are actually orange and white. I know where they probably are too, either in Egypt or here at the NTSB.
Also, this isn't meant to make fun of your English but sense of "hummer" is the funniest misspelling of humor I've seen in a long time.
I loved the excuse the Egyptian gov. used, "The elevators failed" yeah, that makes a lotta sense, pin the blame on a problem that had never happend before and hasn't happend sense. Egypt puts way too much faith in there pilots.
@wazithefreak That's true, it seems like they don't want to believe their pilots are just people. People make mistakes and do thoughtless things. Maybe with the change in government they'll re-investigate, I won't hold my breath though.
@maggid7 He actually was trying to solve a big problem, how to make sure his family was taken care of since he was about to be taken off international flights.
Another Muslim suicide jockey and the Egyptians still won't admit it.The NTSB report(Flight data recorder and CVR) are overwhelming scientific proof.Yet they live in a dream world.Pretty discouraging these people playing at being adults.
This was a terrorist attack but covered up by the Govt saying the guy was just a lone nut. had just 1 jet crashed on 911, it wouda been reported the same way. We have had many terrorist attacks on US soil or shores and it's always covered up less to create panic. On 911 though, you just couldn't cover up 4 jets (well the Army shot one down {Penn crash site} and that was covered up.
@PokerJoker3 This... is a joke, correct? Not even the Egyptian Civil Aviation Authority thinks this was terrorism, and they're still looking for any reason besides the RFO to blame.
Of course, none of us were there, but it almost seems like an impulse decision. He had just purportedly been told he was either losing his wings completely or being demoted to flying puddlejumpers in the desert. As far as the second climb, it's anybody's guess. Idk if they had enough time or power in the batteries to get the APU going to try to restart. You can't climb for long with no thrust and the speed brake out.
@namesolonggood1sgone I agree, it was probably an impulse. It might've occurred to him that if he died while on duty as an international FO, the benefits for his family would be better too. (Which is what reminded me of FedEx 705 and Auburn Calloway's plan for it.)
After the first dive, he knew that he wasn't gonna be able to explain what happened. He probably got a taste of this from the Captain, who would logically want to know what the hell just happened.
@pixelmancer3 Liars and liars ! I still remember this ms 990 flight of EgyptAir which was shoot by the fucking American Air Forces and they said the Pilot El-Batouty was made and killed all passengers fucking Americans and America
@Amro10Gamal10 You'd be pretty popular with some folks here in the states that think we shot down a TWA 747 in 1996. The problem is there was no reason to shoot down EA 990 and nobody near by to do it anyway.
Why is it so hard to believe a despondent man turned off the autopilot and dove toward the water? It's not like this has never happened before.
Only a few moments prior to the Captain leaving the cockpit to use the restroom, Gamil can be heard convincing him to go return the command first officer's pen to him "so it does not get lost." It is worth noting that the engine fuel controls don't go into cutoff before the captain returns to the cockpit and pushes the throttles to their stops to power out of the dive. He's David Burke only without the firearm.
@namesolonggood1sgone You're right, he cut the fuel when Habashi came back, but must've changed his mind because the plane recovered to 25,000 feet, after FDR/CVR data was lost. Then, he evidently changed his mind again, overcame Habashi and finished what he started. I'd always thought of him as a less hardcore version of Auburn Calloway, but Burke is a good comparison too.
@WandereringSpirit I don't think the first dive was criminal so much as crazy, in that he probably didn't decide to do this until finding himself alone.
The final dive is up for debate as to criminal intent. I think he realized how this stunt would not help his situation after the plane arrived in Cairo. Its FDR would tell on him: One second everything's spiffy, the next he's turned off the autopilot and engines before diving toward open ocean. Getting fired would not have improved things.
@adelyn123 I'd be interested to know what he thinks happened.
Regardless the mosque could actually be a victory in the war on terror for us. One of our best weapons against religious terrorists is in our constitution, freedom of religion. Showing we are tolerant will reduce their numbers and give us the high moral ground.
If intolerant people get what they want, so do people saying we're fighting Islam
muslims didn't drop atomic bomb on civilians muslims didn't invade other nations (Vietnam Iraq Afghanistan ........) muslims had no role in world wars as non muslims did. we can't judge in this creul way on 1 billion human because of some accidents made by few people which is already condemned by muslims. these things has nothing to do with the religion.
@shamandora87 Muslims have invaded Europe before, a few times. Some people think the croissant was invented to celebrate the defense of Vienna from a Muslim invasion in 1683. Muslims did actually fight in both world wars, during World War I the Ottoman Empire was directly involved. In World War II, there were two Muslim SS divisions, while hundreds of thousands of Muslims fought for the Allies and some even actually saved Jews
@pixelmancer3 people think that muslims invaded europe, sir there is difference between invading and spreading a message, islam came from GOD to the whole world, the prophet Mohamed was in arabia, muslims had had to spread the message (the new religion) to all the people in the world and the people has the right to believe in or not, there is no obligation in islam to make people believe in it.
@pixelmancer3 these wars that occured was because the rulers of these countries refused introducing islam to their people while they had the right to believe in it or not there were no ways of communication available at that time like today e.g. the internet which might could saved the need for fighting to spread the message (not for invading), and the proof is that islam spread to Indonesia Malaysia and the far east without fighting
@pixelmancer3 on the contrary, europian countries like England, France, Germany, Spain, Italy invaded many countries like Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Tunis, Syria, Morroco, Palestine. the question is what message did they send to these countries..... nothing, they just wanted to expand their empires and to hell withe nations we are going to invade. Muslims shared in WW but what i meant is that they were not invaders, they didn't burn jews (Hitler) or drop atomic bombs (USA) etc.
@shamandora87 They, Europeans, weren't really trying to send a message so much as "reclaim" the Holy Land for Christians. (I'm agnostic so please don't think I'm saying the Crusades were good. I don't think any religion is worth killing over.)
Acknowledging American and European aggression, Muslims can and have done things just as bad. Don't forget Muslims are killing each other in Iraq too, Sunni and Shia get along like Catholics and Protestants.
for those who judge with no knowledge about muslims or just want to believe anything that offend muslims, if this was a suicide, why would be there "pull with me" is the captain kidding, what would u expect a muslim say when he faces a problem, jesus christ !!!!!! i rely on god, allahu akbar "GOD" is great" are all words that are common & muslims say as you people say "oh my GOD" or jesus christ or anything, I rely on GOD has no relation with this, this animation is some kind of bias
@shamandora87 This isn't about Muslims in general, it's about the regrettable choice one man made when he was alone on the flight deck.
Captain ElHabashy was doing everything he could to save the aircraft, he said "pull with me" because the RFO was pushing the nose down. Also the RFO wasn't saying Allahu Akbar, he said Tawakalt Al Alla which according to Dr. Adel Fouad of EgyptAir means "I rely on God".
@pixelmancer3 i just wanted to reply at those who relate these things to muslims, frankly speaking the bad media offending muslims around the world was made to help the governments (like USA) to invade countries (Afghanistan, Iraq) for oil !! they had to convince their people that muslims are threatening & terrorists so they wont refuse the decision of war beacause no one will accept that his son is going to fight and die for oil
@pixelmancer3 they were lucky to find some extremities like taliban to focus on them & convince the world that muslims are terrorists while there are another billion muslim who are not terrorists and have no relation to that offending word, read about islam from muslims then judge donot listen to ppl who criticse only, sorry for the elongation but i just wanted to explain. N.B. no offending to any of the countries that I mentioned
@shamandora87 I completely understand, it's really easy for people to assume the worst about entire cultures based on extreme actions of a misguided few.
In this case, flight 990, it was just a man who felt he was backed into a corner by trouble at work. It 's happened before: 1982 the captain crashed Japan Airlines flight 350 during landing, 1994 an engineer tried hijacking Fed Ex flight 705 to crash it, 1997 SilkAir flight 185 went down after the pilot disabled the 737's CVR, to name a few.
@pixelmancer3 I didn't read all the comments and I don't know what is your opinion about the crash and the causes but I just wanted to say I was a neighbor for Captin Gamil Elbatoty "the man they say who caused the crash" and I wanted to say that he will never do so and all I can say that his son "Kareem" had asked him to bring new tires for his car and he called him before they left NY and told him that he got it for him and to wait for him at the airport to help him with carring it.
@anti4isha I read about the tires in the interviews conducted by the FBI which were included in the NTSB report. Gamil was a nice guy, good friend, and caring father. He used to give his coworkers gifts too, which makes it hard to accept that he would do something so selfish.
The truth is that even if this had been my own father or friend, I'd still be sure it was his strange choices and actions that caused the crash. The black boxes tell most of the story, while radar finishes it off.
@anti4isha We know that he turned off the autopilot, pulled the throttles back, then put SU-GAP into a dive. Each of these things is noted on the flight data recorder. When Captain Habashy returned, during the dive, not only would Gamil not tell him what was happening, he turned off both engines by deactivating the fuel pumps. These are the actions of someone who actually wants to crash, airplanes need engines to stay airborne.
@pixelmancer3 I'm not an expert but I watched a show on "Aljazeera" and they said it's impossible for the plan to fall with the an angle that this plan fall in, I can not belive it cause I have my reasons and alot others share the same feeling but we could all be wrong we were not there. maybe he didn't talk to the Captin cause he was in a shook maybe maybe maybe but in the end they are in the bottom of the ocean with their secret.
@anti4isha I understand your feelings, it's hard to imagine anyone doing this on purpose, let alone someone you knew.
We know SU-GAP went down at a steep angle and very high speed for two reasons; Radar tracked it almost all the way down, and an engine was torn off before the plane hit the water. This can happen if an airplane is flown faster than its maximum speed, especially in a steep dive.
He wasn't a murderer, but he was human and had a mental breakdown, which humans sometimes do.
@anti4isha I don't think he planned on killing the everyone aboard, he may not have even thought of them given what else was on his mind. He was probably only concerned with how he could make his family the most financially secure, and in deciding to engineer an accidental death for himself, completely forgot about everyone else until the captain came back. Which, to me, explains why he eventually did help the captain recover from the dive and climb back above 20,000 feet.
they put that animation trying to convince us it was a suiside and the man was crazy, but they never released the actual recording don t know why, as if they aretrying to dictate their own point of view! i am egyptain, i need to lisaten to the actual thing, it was dabatable, so why can't i get the chance to have a word about it?!!!!
@rudi704 I'd like to hear the CVR too, a lot could be learned from his tone of voice. Besides the transcript, I made this animation using info from the plane's flight data recorder and radar returns. The data shows a perfectly good aircraft put into a dive for no reason.
For me the real question is what happened after data was lost, radar showed the plane actually climbed back to around 25,000 ft before entering the final plunge. I'm working on an animation describing my theory of what happened.
Whatever really happened, I think we can all agree Captain El Habashy must've found himself in a terrible waking nightmare. Imagine going to take a whiz or drop a deuce and suddenly the plane starts going down. Maybe he was in the middle of his transaction, maybe not. Upon returning to the cockpit he finds the RFO unresponsive as to what's happening, but willing to confirm that he turned off the freaking engines. It was probably a surreal experience.
@rudi704: The Transcript was released on tailstrike D.ot Com, and many other websites. Everyone which knows anything about aerodynamics and airplanes technologies, sees that this airplanes was intentionally crashed. The NTSB and the European counterpart checked the Egyptian theories and NON of them could be recreated, not even that the elevator had an malfunction. It might be hard to accept those things, mostly for the families, but to deny is not helping in any way.
I'm not sure if they have, the info I used came from the transcript.
I'd be interested to hear it though, even though they weren't speaking English during the time covered here. (Originally the RFO was quoted as saying "I make my decision now.") I imagine the confusion and anxiety in the Captain's voice was a pretty stark contrast to how the RFO was speaking.
12 of the best Egyptian fighter pilots took this flight on their way home after a training on the F-16.
The American gov planned for the 9/11 attacks or at least they know that the Mossad was the hidden hand behind it, then they pointed the fingers at "the terrorist Muslims". Now you wanna convince me that they won't try to cover this as well?
If this was a suicide attack, why he crashed the plane in the water not over the American soil?
some people really enjoy getting sodomized by the media.
AmonBlack 1 month ago 2
@AmonBlack This was not suicide attack, just random suicide of the pilot, and because of that there was no need to crash it into American soil. He probably chose that part of the flight as captain left the cockpit so it was easier for this sad fucker to get things fucked up.
Pvjinflight 3 weeks ago
@AmonBlack Ur right, 33 officers of which F16 pilots + 3 nuclear scientist ..
a7medRS 1 day ago
@AmonBlack /watch?v=tjJapDyanYk&feature=related
a7medRS 1 day ago
Well, if he commited suicide then may his soul rot in hell forever because he took innocent lives with him. He could have simply killed himself some where alone. But if this was an accident then may his soul rest in peace.
nonameisftw 1 month ago
Which one comes first, "Egypt Air Flight 990 Nightmare" or "Wag the dog" ???
freeway5400 2 months ago
Funny you guys , when u talk about freedom of speech and u forgot about the freedom of thought which u never use, when u r not familiar with culture and other languages and slang just like ur M.F. to insult or call someone idiot and it does not mean the act itself......cmon, think as humans, stop race and religion things, this analysis is just a cartoon and what hits the plane ( even by mistake) is really missing in this video go back to TWA , THE SAME AREA, civilized Gentlemen.
freeway5400 2 months ago
Sorry bout thre repeated comments below but my computer was acting up.
wazithefreak 3 months ago
Look this incident has nothing to do with any religion, there are sane and crazy muslims just as there are sane and crazy christians. Getting back to wat this vids about: This had to have been done on purpose b/c of two key facts: both pilots were controlling the stick in different directions and both engines were turned off. I don't care wat emergency you're having there is no reason to shutoff BOTH engines.
wazithefreak 3 months ago
الله أكبر
andmaketherain 3 months ago
The plane was in international waters when it crashed, since Egypt lacks the capacity to investigate a plane crash at sea they asked the NTSB to investigate for them. The evidence clearly pointed to a intentional crash and the FBI got involved. Egypt of course objected to this and wanted their investigation back. They claim mechanical failure as the cause but the truth is that the pilot simply wanted to go be with Allah and took 216 innocent people with him.
MNRick041 4 months ago
Fuck muslims. Allah can suck my dick.
flightoftheunknown 5 months ago
@flightoftheunknown let me guess..american?
lealowo 4 months ago
@lealowo Of course. Who else? Well actually there are many nations out there that hate islam, and even religion in general.
flightoftheunknown 4 months ago
@flightoftheunknown i'm not a muslim but i respect their culture very much. can't say the same about the americans tho, for one thing they don't even have a culture, besides the culture of war of course
lealowo 4 months ago
@lealowo You respect their culture? You respect honor killing, incest, rape, torture, corruption, hipocracy, execution as punishment for being homosexual, Punishing women with torture and death when they're raped, basically treating women like cattle, like a commodity and not human beings? You respect a culture that exists for nothing other than to make the entire world an islamic state and eradicate the freedom that gives you the right to argue openly with me? Fuck you bro. You're a moron.
flightoftheunknown 4 months ago 3
@flightoftheunknown Muslims are not terrorists. Terrorism is banned by the Muslim world as opposed to america where most citizens like yourself think they are the good guys and claim a right to invade countries, rape, torture, and so on. So don't come to me saying you're better than Muslims. If anything you're worse because you don't ban the behavior of your military class. That thing outside your country, called The World is worrying very much because of your greed for oil and blood
lealowo 4 months ago
@lealowo I never compared americans to muslims, you did. I simply stated the obvious fact that terrorist or not, muslims are dirty shitbag assholes. Terrorism is banned by the muslim world the same way that talking on your cellphone while driving is against the law in america. It's illegal but most people dont give a shit and do it anyways. Just because the muslim world isnt invading other countries for the resourcs doesnt mean it doesnt want to, they just dont have the strength to do it.....
flightoftheunknown 4 months ago
@lealowo .......because the muslim world doesnt know how to evolve into a society that can collectively become strong enough to launch an offensive that would overpower the Great military of the USA. Haa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! Kill the ragheads, cap the wells and build a transatlantic pipeline straight to new york. Fuck Islam and the whole crowd of idiots that follow Allah to their graves. Fuck them all and blow their shit up. Fucking sand niggers.
flightoftheunknown 4 months ago
@flightoftheunknown I love this comment, you are so right. This plane crashed because the idiot pilot wanted to go be with Allah and did not care about taking 216 other people with him. The Egyptian authorities just cannot accept that fact. The American media totally dropped this story, I think I heard about it 2 or 3 times and then it was gone from the news. 216 people killed by a crazy muslim pilot and no one even knows about it.
MNRick041 4 months ago
@MNRick041 Nice to hear from someone that has their head screwed on straight. Allah is a fantasy and muslims are a bunch of terrorists, whether they're out of the closet or not. Religion of peace? Anyone that believes that is a moron. Anyone that uses that phrase to hide behind is a sadistic asshole that needs to be put down.
flightoftheunknown 4 months ago
@MNRick041 Look up videos by Pat Condell. I think you will like him. He has a lot of great things to say regarding Islam, and religion in general.
flightoftheunknown 4 months ago
@MNRick041 Look up videos by Pat Condell. I think you will like him. He has a lot of great things to say regarding Islam, and religion in general.
flightoftheunknown 4 months ago
All the co-pilot said was "I trust in God" repeatedly, then suddenly the engines shut down and the elevators come to a position pretty much impossible to happen by chance... Accident... right...
ballebanan 8 months ago 2
@ballebanan Not exactly, first the RFO started repeating "I rely on God" then he disconnected the autopilot before reducing engine power to idle and going into a dive. When the captain returned and increased the throttles and pulled up, the RFO cut fuel flow to both engines and pushed down. To say the RFO was being counterproductive would be an understatement, saying it was an accident is just wrong.
pixelmancer3 8 months ago
and so @pixelmancer3 or probably if u have a pilot u know ask him about the cables and the wire stuff maybe u believe him so keep safe and take this advise from some one who knows what is aviation......dont say or dont give ur self alot of credit about knowledge in aviation cuz its a very laaaaaaarg place where u dont belong :) and dont forget that LARG is without an E :) goodnight
MrKareemawad 9 months ago
@pixelmancer3 first of all am really srry about the miss-/-spelling ITS A VERY BIG DEAL i know :) and they didnt find the black box and I KNOW what color the black box is and plz plz plz plz if u dont understand what r u talking about dont say non sense cuz first they didnt find the black box PLUS the elevator cables were iced cuz late back in time a/c where flown by cables now they r wire and not all of them SO u dont understand any thing :)
MrKareemawad 9 months ago
@MrKareemawad You really are a funny guy, don't apologize for misspelling humor as hummer, that's comedy. Anyway, not even the Egyptians mentioned that as a possibility and if the control cables inside a 767 could get iced up then it would've happened to other 767s by now. You might be confusing the problems with the rudder hydraulics on 737s getting too cold and reversing, that issue brought down two 737s and almost a third here in the states before the NTSB figured out what had happened.
pixelmancer3 9 months ago
@MrKareemawad Are u Insane?! Or just stupid, even if the elevators on the plane had frozen how do you explain why the engines were off? Watch the Air crash investigations episode and you'll see that the elevators had been a problem but had never had a serious enough defect to cause the crash. Do ur research!!
wazithefreak 7 months ago
Plus even some of the oldest airliners built by this country used a few cables driven by mainly hydraulics. I know this b/c I'm taking courses in aviation Mechanics and we spent over 2 weeks learning hydraulics.
wazithefreak 7 months ago
@wazithefreak 2 weeks? wow you must be a real guru.
flightoftheunknown 4 months ago
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that ALL commercial airliner from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. Some turbos like a beechcraft 1900D probably use cables, but jets need hydrualics b/c the control surfaces are heavy and can't be controlled by the pilots strength alone
wazithefreak 4 months ago
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@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that ALL commercial airliner from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. Some turbos like a beechcraft 1900D probably use cables, but jets need hydrualics b/c the control surfaces are heavy and can't be controlled by the pilots strength alone
wazithefreak 4 months ago
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
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@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
wazithefreak 4 months ago
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
wazithefreak 4 months ago
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@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
wazithefreak 4 months ago
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@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
wazithefreak 4 months ago
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@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
wazithefreak 4 months ago
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@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
wazithefreak 4 months ago
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@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
wazithefreak 4 months ago
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@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
wazithefreak 4 months ago
@flightoftheunknown look I know enough to the point that all commercial airliners from regional jets on up have mostly hydraulics actuating the the control surfaces, especially heavy 767's. There are cables used but their role is very minor and usually controlled by hydraulics. Also if the cables had iced up, don't you think that would have caused another fatal crash at some point? I still haven't heard of any, not a one b4 or since the accident
wazithefreak 4 months ago
u probably will know who knows the truth =)
MrKareemawad 9 months ago
@wazithefreak and @pixelmancer3......first of all thats not of a sense of hummer thing,if u both didnt study any aviation dont talk like that wazithefreak the cables @ the elevator were iced they didnt move forced the a/c to dive...its a cpt. fault 75% of the avi. crashes r human factors plus the a/c was all egyptians double crew and 17 or 18 military cpts read about the flight crash plus i didnt hear any thing!!AND the black box wasnt found.....wounder who knows where is it now!
MrKareemawad 9 months ago
@MrKareemawad I can't tell if you're ignorant or a troll, either way you're a funny guy. Iced cables? That's like saying someone has frostbite in just their biceps, pretty much impossible. Also they did find the "black box", both of them, which are actually orange and white. I know where they probably are too, either in Egypt or here at the NTSB.
Also, this isn't meant to make fun of your English but sense of "hummer" is the funniest misspelling of humor I've seen in a long time.
pixelmancer3 9 months ago
I loved the excuse the Egyptian gov. used, "The elevators failed" yeah, that makes a lotta sense, pin the blame on a problem that had never happend before and hasn't happend sense. Egypt puts way too much faith in there pilots.
wazithefreak 9 months ago
@wazithefreak That's true, it seems like they don't want to believe their pilots are just people. People make mistakes and do thoughtless things. Maybe with the change in government they'll re-investigate, I won't hold my breath though.
pixelmancer3 9 months ago
Never was i rely on God sign to face death !!!! you would just tell or says so when you run from an hard situation or try to solve big problem.....
maggid7 11 months ago
@maggid7 He actually was trying to solve a big problem, how to make sure his family was taken care of since he was about to be taken off international flights.
pixelmancer3 9 months ago
Another Muslim suicide jockey and the Egyptians still won't admit it.The NTSB report(Flight data recorder and CVR) are overwhelming scientific proof.Yet they live in a dream world.Pretty discouraging these people playing at being adults.
penbelly 11 months ago
This was a terrorist attack but covered up by the Govt saying the guy was just a lone nut. had just 1 jet crashed on 911, it wouda been reported the same way. We have had many terrorist attacks on US soil or shores and it's always covered up less to create panic. On 911 though, you just couldn't cover up 4 jets (well the Army shot one down {Penn crash site} and that was covered up.
PokerJoker3 1 year ago
@PokerJoker3 This... is a joke, correct? Not even the Egyptian Civil Aviation Authority thinks this was terrorism, and they're still looking for any reason besides the RFO to blame.
pixelmancer3 1 year ago 4
i remember i left JFK for Dublin about an hour before this flight took off, scary stuff
peterpickaxe09 1 year ago
Of course, none of us were there, but it almost seems like an impulse decision. He had just purportedly been told he was either losing his wings completely or being demoted to flying puddlejumpers in the desert. As far as the second climb, it's anybody's guess. Idk if they had enough time or power in the batteries to get the APU going to try to restart. You can't climb for long with no thrust and the speed brake out.
namesolonggood1sgone 1 year ago
@namesolonggood1sgone I agree, it was probably an impulse. It might've occurred to him that if he died while on duty as an international FO, the benefits for his family would be better too. (Which is what reminded me of FedEx 705 and Auburn Calloway's plan for it.)
After the first dive, he knew that he wasn't gonna be able to explain what happened. He probably got a taste of this from the Captain, who would logically want to know what the hell just happened.
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
@pixelmancer3 Liars and liars ! I still remember this ms 990 flight of EgyptAir which was shoot by the fucking American Air Forces and they said the Pilot El-Batouty was made and killed all passengers fucking Americans and America
It was shoot by a missile
Amro10Gamal10 10 months ago
@Amro10Gamal10 You'd be pretty popular with some folks here in the states that think we shot down a TWA 747 in 1996. The problem is there was no reason to shoot down EA 990 and nobody near by to do it anyway.
Why is it so hard to believe a despondent man turned off the autopilot and dove toward the water? It's not like this has never happened before.
pixelmancer3 9 months ago
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ChorltonBrook 1 year ago
Deliberate act of murder/suicide. Not the actions of a sane, rational person.
verman2154 1 year ago
@verman2154 It's a shame Egypt couldn't accept that.
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
Only a few moments prior to the Captain leaving the cockpit to use the restroom, Gamil can be heard convincing him to go return the command first officer's pen to him "so it does not get lost." It is worth noting that the engine fuel controls don't go into cutoff before the captain returns to the cockpit and pushes the throttles to their stops to power out of the dive. He's David Burke only without the firearm.
namesolonggood1sgone 1 year ago
@namesolonggood1sgone You're right, he cut the fuel when Habashi came back, but must've changed his mind because the plane recovered to 25,000 feet, after FDR/CVR data was lost. Then, he evidently changed his mind again, overcame Habashi and finished what he started. I'd always thought of him as a less hardcore version of Auburn Calloway, but Burke is a good comparison too.
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
Oh come on... the bastard cut the engines and drove the plane into the ocean. It was the criminal act of an unbalanced mind.
WandereringSpirit 1 year ago
@WandereringSpirit I don't think the first dive was criminal so much as crazy, in that he probably didn't decide to do this until finding himself alone.
The final dive is up for debate as to criminal intent. I think he realized how this stunt would not help his situation after the plane arrived in Cairo. Its FDR would tell on him: One second everything's spiffy, the next he's turned off the autopilot and engines before diving toward open ocean. Getting fired would not have improved things.
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
The financial backer of the NYC mosque lost his parents in this flight.
adelyn123 1 year ago
@adelyn123 I'd be interested to know what he thinks happened.
Regardless the mosque could actually be a victory in the war on terror for us. One of our best weapons against religious terrorists is in our constitution, freedom of religion. Showing we are tolerant will reduce their numbers and give us the high moral ground.
If intolerant people get what they want, so do people saying we're fighting Islam
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
@pixelmancer3
you have a major point there man
qwertyguy76 1 year ago
muslims didn't drop atomic bomb on civilians muslims didn't invade other nations (Vietnam Iraq Afghanistan ........) muslims had no role in world wars as non muslims did. we can't judge in this creul way on 1 billion human because of some accidents made by few people which is already condemned by muslims. these things has nothing to do with the religion.
shamandora87 1 year ago
@shamandora87 Muslims have invaded Europe before, a few times. Some people think the croissant was invented to celebrate the defense of Vienna from a Muslim invasion in 1683. Muslims did actually fight in both world wars, during World War I the Ottoman Empire was directly involved. In World War II, there were two Muslim SS divisions, while hundreds of thousands of Muslims fought for the Allies and some even actually saved Jews
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
@pixelmancer3 people think that muslims invaded europe, sir there is difference between invading and spreading a message, islam came from GOD to the whole world, the prophet Mohamed was in arabia, muslims had had to spread the message (the new religion) to all the people in the world and the people has the right to believe in or not, there is no obligation in islam to make people believe in it.
shamandora87 1 year ago
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shamandora87 1 year ago
@pixelmancer3 these wars that occured was because the rulers of these countries refused introducing islam to their people while they had the right to believe in it or not there were no ways of communication available at that time like today e.g. the internet which might could saved the need for fighting to spread the message (not for invading), and the proof is that islam spread to Indonesia Malaysia and the far east without fighting
shamandora87 1 year ago
@pixelmancer3 on the contrary, europian countries like England, France, Germany, Spain, Italy invaded many countries like Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Tunis, Syria, Morroco, Palestine. the question is what message did they send to these countries..... nothing, they just wanted to expand their empires and to hell withe nations we are going to invade. Muslims shared in WW but what i meant is that they were not invaders, they didn't burn jews (Hitler) or drop atomic bombs (USA) etc.
shamandora87 1 year ago
@shamandora87 They, Europeans, weren't really trying to send a message so much as "reclaim" the Holy Land for Christians. (I'm agnostic so please don't think I'm saying the Crusades were good. I don't think any religion is worth killing over.)
Acknowledging American and European aggression, Muslims can and have done things just as bad. Don't forget Muslims are killing each other in Iraq too, Sunni and Shia get along like Catholics and Protestants.
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
for those who judge with no knowledge about muslims or just want to believe anything that offend muslims, if this was a suicide, why would be there "pull with me" is the captain kidding, what would u expect a muslim say when he faces a problem, jesus christ !!!!!! i rely on god, allahu akbar "GOD" is great" are all words that are common & muslims say as you people say "oh my GOD" or jesus christ or anything, I rely on GOD has no relation with this, this animation is some kind of bias
shamandora87 1 year ago
@shamandora87 This isn't about Muslims in general, it's about the regrettable choice one man made when he was alone on the flight deck.
Captain ElHabashy was doing everything he could to save the aircraft, he said "pull with me" because the RFO was pushing the nose down. Also the RFO wasn't saying Allahu Akbar, he said Tawakalt Al Alla which according to Dr. Adel Fouad of EgyptAir means "I rely on God".
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
@pixelmancer3 i just wanted to reply at those who relate these things to muslims, frankly speaking the bad media offending muslims around the world was made to help the governments (like USA) to invade countries (Afghanistan, Iraq) for oil !! they had to convince their people that muslims are threatening & terrorists so they wont refuse the decision of war beacause no one will accept that his son is going to fight and die for oil
shamandora87 1 year ago
@pixelmancer3 they were lucky to find some extremities like taliban to focus on them & convince the world that muslims are terrorists while there are another billion muslim who are not terrorists and have no relation to that offending word, read about islam from muslims then judge donot listen to ppl who criticse only, sorry for the elongation but i just wanted to explain. N.B. no offending to any of the countries that I mentioned
shamandora87 1 year ago
@shamandora87 I completely understand, it's really easy for people to assume the worst about entire cultures based on extreme actions of a misguided few.
In this case, flight 990, it was just a man who felt he was backed into a corner by trouble at work. It 's happened before: 1982 the captain crashed Japan Airlines flight 350 during landing, 1994 an engineer tried hijacking Fed Ex flight 705 to crash it, 1997 SilkAir flight 185 went down after the pilot disabled the 737's CVR, to name a few.
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
@pixelmancer3 I didn't read all the comments and I don't know what is your opinion about the crash and the causes but I just wanted to say I was a neighbor for Captin Gamil Elbatoty "the man they say who caused the crash" and I wanted to say that he will never do so and all I can say that his son "Kareem" had asked him to bring new tires for his car and he called him before they left NY and told him that he got it for him and to wait for him at the airport to help him with carring it.
anti4isha 1 year ago
@anti4isha I read about the tires in the interviews conducted by the FBI which were included in the NTSB report. Gamil was a nice guy, good friend, and caring father. He used to give his coworkers gifts too, which makes it hard to accept that he would do something so selfish.
The truth is that even if this had been my own father or friend, I'd still be sure it was his strange choices and actions that caused the crash. The black boxes tell most of the story, while radar finishes it off.
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
@anti4isha We know that he turned off the autopilot, pulled the throttles back, then put SU-GAP into a dive. Each of these things is noted on the flight data recorder. When Captain Habashy returned, during the dive, not only would Gamil not tell him what was happening, he turned off both engines by deactivating the fuel pumps. These are the actions of someone who actually wants to crash, airplanes need engines to stay airborne.
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
@pixelmancer3 I'm not an expert but I watched a show on "Aljazeera" and they said it's impossible for the plan to fall with the an angle that this plan fall in, I can not belive it cause I have my reasons and alot others share the same feeling but we could all be wrong we were not there. maybe he didn't talk to the Captin cause he was in a shook maybe maybe maybe but in the end they are in the bottom of the ocean with their secret.
anti4isha 1 year ago
@anti4isha I understand your feelings, it's hard to imagine anyone doing this on purpose, let alone someone you knew.
We know SU-GAP went down at a steep angle and very high speed for two reasons; Radar tracked it almost all the way down, and an engine was torn off before the plane hit the water. This can happen if an airplane is flown faster than its maximum speed, especially in a steep dive.
He wasn't a murderer, but he was human and had a mental breakdown, which humans sometimes do.
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
@pixelmancer3 all I'm gonna say that I hope you are wrong and I hope it's only an accident cause as you said I can't imagine him doing it in purpose.
anti4isha 1 year ago
@anti4isha I don't think he planned on killing the everyone aboard, he may not have even thought of them given what else was on his mind. He was probably only concerned with how he could make his family the most financially secure, and in deciding to engineer an accidental death for himself, completely forgot about everyone else until the captain came back. Which, to me, explains why he eventually did help the captain recover from the dive and climb back above 20,000 feet.
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
I am sorry to hear you are Egyptian
tjenk71 1 year ago
they put that animation trying to convince us it was a suiside and the man was crazy, but they never released the actual recording don t know why, as if they aretrying to dictate their own point of view! i am egyptain, i need to lisaten to the actual thing, it was dabatable, so why can't i get the chance to have a word about it?!!!!
rudi704 1 year ago
@rudi704 When USA says it was a suicide, it means it was a suicide. Muslims are those dirty pigs who are spoiling Great America. Bob Singh
usa19777 1 year ago
@rudi704 I'd like to hear the CVR too, a lot could be learned from his tone of voice. Besides the transcript, I made this animation using info from the plane's flight data recorder and radar returns. The data shows a perfectly good aircraft put into a dive for no reason.
For me the real question is what happened after data was lost, radar showed the plane actually climbed back to around 25,000 ft before entering the final plunge. I'm working on an animation describing my theory of what happened.
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
Whatever really happened, I think we can all agree Captain El Habashy must've found himself in a terrible waking nightmare. Imagine going to take a whiz or drop a deuce and suddenly the plane starts going down. Maybe he was in the middle of his transaction, maybe not. Upon returning to the cockpit he finds the RFO unresponsive as to what's happening, but willing to confirm that he turned off the freaking engines. It was probably a surreal experience.
pixelmancer3 1 year ago
@rudi704: The Transcript was released on tailstrike D.ot Com, and many other websites. Everyone which knows anything about aerodynamics and airplanes technologies, sees that this airplanes was intentionally crashed. The NTSB and the European counterpart checked the Egyptian theories and NON of them could be recreated, not even that the elevator had an malfunction. It might be hard to accept those things, mostly for the families, but to deny is not helping in any way.
ChrisRenucci 1 year ago
flying planes should be left firmly in the hands of atheists.
ravemonk 1 year ago 3
@ravemonk Even tho I'm Christian, I have no problem with this.
mmabagain 1 year ago
@ravemonk or robots. Beware of the state of mind! You never know what the other person is thinking
LOLMAN22 1 year ago
@ravemonk incorrect,everything important (politics,science,medicine,schools e.c.c) should be left firmly in the hands of atheists
geiuy 1 year ago
@geiuy no complaints about that! the world would be a better place if that were true.
ravemonk 1 year ago
You need to wqatch this video!
Freeman Perspective-Barackhenaten Part 2 of 7
This was a sabotage of the capping of the pyramids with gold!
TruthSmack 2 years ago
did the NTSB release the actual voice recording of the cockpit?
fugoid89 2 years ago
I'm not sure if they have, the info I used came from the transcript.
I'd be interested to hear it though, even though they weren't speaking English during the time covered here. (Originally the RFO was quoted as saying "I make my decision now.") I imagine the confusion and anxiety in the Captain's voice was a pretty stark contrast to how the RFO was speaking.
pixelmancer3 2 years ago
@fugoid89
The Actual cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder stopped white the plane is falling down
youssef5671 1 year ago