The closing of CPU resulted from bogus accusations as now well documented. The present tragic persecution of CPU graduates for their learning, for holding a legally valid academic degree from a state supported and certified school, reveals the narrow mindedness and tunnel vision of those who govern certain parts of America.
Although the US national or regional accreditation are not necessary requirements to operate universities, CPU was recognized by the US Department of Education as an accredited institution.
CPU was a much respected pioneer of distance education that offered innovative academic programs of high quality. It underwent successful academic peer reviews of visiting committees and was supervised and fully accredited ("approved") by the State of California.
A friend asked me to post this I tried to post a comment on Youtube, re CPU, but after several unsuccessful attempts to open up an account, I gave up.
You need to do research on the school, which was fully accredited by the state of California (no distance learning was regionally accredited back then, now all are eligible for regional accreditation). Please do your homework. CPU has a website and Bergman has also written a detailed paper on CPU. Many hundreds of professors have degrees from CPU as do many very successful professionals.
The new book, Slaughter of the Dissidents, is volume one of a 5 volume set that documents almost every case in the movie. Do a search on Amazon or Google and pick up a copy. The discrimination case histories in the book go into far more detail on the cases featured in the film showing that a large amount of solid documentation exists. Be informed on this issue, then speak out.
Dr. Bergman has his PhD from Wayne State University in Detroit. Wayne State University is a Diploma mill? Hardly. You have an engineering degree? What qualifications do you have in biology? Can you name one out of the closet Darwin skeptic that got tenure at a secular college? One? Dr Bergman has documented hundreds that had difficulty. Hundreds. Have you read his book? If not how can you make comments on a book you have never read? You need to drop by and hear him speak.
M.S. in biomedical science, Medical College of Ohio - not relevant?
B.S., Wayne State University (biology) - not relevant?
And the burden is on you to prove the Ph.D. in human biology, Columbia Pacific University, is insufficient. Anyone can make such a CLAIM, but claiming is not proving.
I said his highest relevant degree appears to be from a diploma mill. Says a lot about credibility. CPU was closed, Look it up. Poor academic practices. you don't want to know. facts are irrelevant to you. That's the only way to be a yec.
Okay, let's look it up: FACT: In the 1986 review, the boilerplate text of the California State Department of Education certificate of approval clearly states:
"The curriculum is consistent in quality with curricula offered by appropriate established accredited institutions which are recognized by the United States Department of Education or the Committee of Bar Examiners for the State of California";
The very best scientists on the planet with cumulative degrees far in excess of those of Dr. Bergman and far superior to his say otherwise. In short, the smarter one is, the less likely one is to take creationism seriously.
IQ is not relevant. You can list all of the idiots you wish. The best actual scientist in the lot is Baumgardner and he's not among the best. It's extremely unlikely that Hovind's IQ is actually 175 except based on some online test. Lots of stuff that doesn't pertain to their being very good scientists. Einstein's was a mere 160 and he was smarter than Hovind surely. And Feynman was only 125 or 126.
This video is not a complete lie. There will be a seminar April 27 at 7PM and if you would like to see the "homework" on this subject, then come and see for yourselves. This is an epidemic spreading across the nation and it is time for truth bearers to stand up to people like the first guy who responded. Last year Ben Stein's "Expelled" documentary just touched the tip of the iceberg. Looking forward to the seminar. See you all there.
"Dr" Jerry Bergman's bio lists a PhD from a diploma mill. So what if he's written 22 books and 800 publications that suck. That doesn't make him and "expert" on anything. Your video is a complete lie and you won't do the basic homework to find out, because you're not interested in discovering the truth.
It is a BALD FACED LIE that people "can't question evolution." Creationists aren't criticized for "questioning." They're criticized for lying and incompetence.
If you could be in the Toledo area, we would love for you to come, there will be a question and answer time afterword. If you have something to question, that would be the place to do it. Call the number or check the website for more info.
Diploma mill? The man has 9 or 10 higher degrees, many from well-known universities. You are making yourself look like an unevolved fool to challenege his academic credentials.
I have 2 degrees, but they come from a real engineering school. I don't need to inflate myself in an attempt to use argument from authority.
This entire video is stupid. Creationists CAN question evolution - and they know it. What they get all riled up about is that they are not "questioning" it, but making false assertions, for which they get called upon.
Mate, again, you're missing the point: Creationists know they can "question Darwin"...crikey..."Was Darwin right?"...that wasn't hard...but the proiblem they deal with is the VERY PROBLEM DR. BERGMAN IS SPEAKING ABOUT!!! That is, derision, persecution and "slaughter"!
"Oh, but they deserve it because they are poor scientists and researchers!" you say....but what would you know? What have you read?
And to follow that last reply: Here's a challenge to you from a fellow (chemical) engineer: actually READ something from Dr. Bergman: some of his "Creationist" papers (so you can see his calibre of writing) and his "Slaughter of the Dissidents" books (or even related papers) so you can actually get informed.
Please, take off you ignorant-hat, as your making your otherwise intelligent self look silly by accusing others of poor quality work with your poor quality work.
What degrees and what school? How do they qualify you to stand in judgment of Dr. Bergman and the 100+ people he has profiled who were discriminated against for questioning evolutionism?
Mate, have you actually READ any of Dr. Bergman's stuff? I find his reference lists alone intimidating. This man is a scholar of the highest order, and worthy of at least being LISTENED to - right or wrong - and especially not simply dismissed by, it seems, uninformed plebs like yourself (yes, i'm a pleb too, but at least i've read some of his stuff..)
You have GOT to be kidding me. You can't judge how good a scholar a person is by how many degrees he has, but you can tell a bit about his academic integrity if his highest degree comes from a diploma mill.
OK, first thing: i have READ some of his writing, so when i refer to "references", i mean the bibliographies at the back of papers, not just his degree list; this, however, seems to be the extent of your research, and unfortunately, you seem to be painting me with the same poor extent of ignorance.
So, my "impression" is based on more than a reference list: it's based on atual READING of this person's work - which i still assert is bucket-loads more than yourself, it seems (??)
Anyone can put a list of references that they misinterpret. It's no doubt that you've read more than I have from Dr. Bergman, but, yes, I read one of his papers - one on the impossibility of abiogenesis. I wasn't impressed. I vaguely recall reading an article he wrote about "Darwinism" being the cause of Nazism. Don't recall the details of that one, but again, not impressed. In other cases, I recall him resorting to the bible for explanation. not impressed.
Secondly, how do you know one of his degrees comes from a "degree mill"? Now I want some of YOUR references: name the degree and the "degree mill" of interest, INCLUDING why the "mill" is not a "ligitimate" one in your view (ie. i hope it is not simply a matter of ideological bias, but of academic quality....)
CPU is a diploma mill? Really. Where do you get your information from? The fact is they were a critical factor in producing one of the most radical education reforms of the last century called distance learning.
Look CPU up on wiki and check under Site Visit and closure.
I have taken distance learning courses myself. I was probably among the first students ever to take an entire course real time over the net. I'm a big believer in Distance Ed, but not diploma mills.
Lots of successful professionals have degrees from diploma mills.
All this talk about CPU is irrelevant. What does this have to do with the question of firing those who are Darwin Skeptics? An authors work should be judged on its merits and judging from the Amazon reviews and the other reviews, the book is right on the mark. Check it out on Amazon. One of my worst professors was a Harvard PhD one of my best had a CPU degree, but this proves little. The person is critical, not his or her degree, at least in judging a good teacher.
Amazon reviews? The opinion of random people is a greater indication of scientific understanding than actual contribution to the peer reviewed literature? "The plural of anecdote is not data."
Wiki! Come on! This is a free for all site for anyone to post. I gave my students a handout on the bias of this website and they told me their other professors already told them they could not use it for research papers. I am fully aware of the slanderous claims on wiki and checked under Site Visit and closure. This is typical of wiki. They only want to slander the school. You really need to do your homework before you post. Wiki! Unbelievable.
You're a teacher? Wiki is not the best source, but it's an okay resource - as good as YT videos anyway. Are you saying that CPU has not been closed? I suspect there's a reason why so many of the creation "scientists" have so many degrees - as a way to boost their credibility to the unwary.
The Seminar is tonight at 7 if anyone of you are coming we would love to have you!
Pitz00 2 years ago
My last 4 posts were from Paul Hartal who could not get on here for some reason. It also would not allow websites to be posted.
Jennyray1973 2 years ago
The closing of CPU resulted from bogus accusations as now well documented. The present tragic persecution of CPU graduates for their learning, for holding a legally valid academic degree from a state supported and certified school, reveals the narrow mindedness and tunnel vision of those who govern certain parts of America.
Jennyray1973 2 years ago
Although the US national or regional accreditation are not necessary requirements to operate universities, CPU was recognized by the US Department of Education as an accredited institution.
Jennyray1973 2 years ago
CPU was a much respected pioneer of distance education that offered innovative academic programs of high quality. It underwent successful academic peer reviews of visiting committees and was supervised and fully accredited ("approved") by the State of California.
Jennyray1973 2 years ago
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A friend asked me to post this I tried to post a comment on Youtube, re CPU, but after several unsuccessful attempts to open up an account, I gave up.
This is what I wanted to say:
Jennyray1973 2 years ago
With 9 degrees, Dr Bergman is a grad of Medical College of Ohio, Wayne State U in Detroit, The U of Toledo, and Bowling Green State U.
He has taught at the Medical College of Ohio also 6 years at the U of Toledo, and 7 years at Bowling Green State U.
His other work experience includes over ten years experience at various Mental Health/Psychology clinics as a licensed professional clinical counselor
Maybe you should look into availing yourself of his services, Fiend.
Teno22 2 years ago
You need to do research on the school, which was fully accredited by the state of California (no distance learning was regionally accredited back then, now all are eligible for regional accreditation). Please do your homework. CPU has a website and Bergman has also written a detailed paper on CPU. Many hundreds of professors have degrees from CPU as do many very successful professionals.
Jennyray1973 2 years ago
The new book, Slaughter of the Dissidents, is volume one of a 5 volume set that documents almost every case in the movie. Do a search on Amazon or Google and pick up a copy. The discrimination case histories in the book go into far more detail on the cases featured in the film showing that a large amount of solid documentation exists. Be informed on this issue, then speak out.
sandyb1900 2 years ago
Dr. Bergman has his PhD from Wayne State University in Detroit. Wayne State University is a Diploma mill? Hardly. You have an engineering degree? What qualifications do you have in biology? Can you name one out of the closet Darwin skeptic that got tenure at a secular college? One? Dr Bergman has documented hundreds that had difficulty. Hundreds. Have you read his book? If not how can you make comments on a book you have never read? You need to drop by and hear him speak.
Jennyray1973 2 years ago 3
His RELEVANT degree is a PhD in biology from Columbia Pacific, which IS a diploma mill.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
M.S. in biomedical science, Medical College of Ohio - not relevant?
B.S., Wayne State University (biology) - not relevant?
And the burden is on you to prove the Ph.D. in human biology, Columbia Pacific University, is insufficient. Anyone can make such a CLAIM, but claiming is not proving.
Teno22 2 years ago
I said his highest relevant degree appears to be from a diploma mill. Says a lot about credibility. CPU was closed, Look it up. Poor academic practices. you don't want to know. facts are irrelevant to you. That's the only way to be a yec.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
Okay, let's look it up: FACT: In the 1986 review, the boilerplate text of the California State Department of Education certificate of approval clearly states:
"The curriculum is consistent in quality with curricula offered by appropriate established accredited institutions which are recognized by the United States Department of Education or the Committee of Bar Examiners for the State of California";
Teno22 2 years ago
The fact that they were closed down without being given a chance to redress their grievances shows which side wanted to hide the facts.
Teno22 2 years ago
Wow. Things must have gone south in a hurry.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
Everything goes south. It's called entropy. Nothing gets better all by itself. Devolution is the observable fact, evolution is a fairy tale.
Teno22 2 years ago
"Everything goes south. It's called entropy."
That isn't what the second law says.
"Nothing gets better all by itself. "
That isn't what the second laws or means.
"...evolution is a fairy tale"
The very best scientists on the planet with cumulative degrees far in excess of those of Dr. Bergman and far superior to his say otherwise. In short, the smarter one is, the less likely one is to take creationism seriously.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
The smarter one is?
Ian Juby: MENSA member (top15 IQ) = creationist.
Kent Hovind: IQ 175= creationist
Peter Ruckman: IQ 180 = creationist
A.E. Wilder-Smith: Double earned doctorate, advisor to UN = creationist
Need I continue with Russell Humphreys, Ray Damadian, John Baumgardner, Larry Vardiman, Robert Hermann, et al?
Teno22 2 years ago
IQ is not relevant. You can list all of the idiots you wish. The best actual scientist in the lot is Baumgardner and he's not among the best. It's extremely unlikely that Hovind's IQ is actually 175 except based on some online test. Lots of stuff that doesn't pertain to their being very good scientists. Einstein's was a mere 160 and he was smarter than Hovind surely. And Feynman was only 125 or 126.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
This sounds like an excellent event to see and hear.
paulhumber 2 years ago 3
This video is not a complete lie. There will be a seminar April 27 at 7PM and if you would like to see the "homework" on this subject, then come and see for yourselves. This is an epidemic spreading across the nation and it is time for truth bearers to stand up to people like the first guy who responded. Last year Ben Stein's "Expelled" documentary just touched the tip of the iceberg. Looking forward to the seminar. See you all there.
Darrbauer 2 years ago 3
"Dr" Jerry Bergman's bio lists a PhD from a diploma mill. So what if he's written 22 books and 800 publications that suck. That doesn't make him and "expert" on anything. Your video is a complete lie and you won't do the basic homework to find out, because you're not interested in discovering the truth.
It is a BALD FACED LIE that people "can't question evolution." Creationists aren't criticized for "questioning." They're criticized for lying and incompetence.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
If you could be in the Toledo area, we would love for you to come, there will be a question and answer time afterword. If you have something to question, that would be the place to do it. Call the number or check the website for more info.
Pitz00 2 years ago
Diploma mill? The man has 9 or 10 higher degrees, many from well-known universities. You are making yourself look like an unevolved fool to challenege his academic credentials.
How many degrees do you have? 98.6?
Teno22 2 years ago 3
I have 2 degrees, but they come from a real engineering school. I don't need to inflate myself in an attempt to use argument from authority.
This entire video is stupid. Creationists CAN question evolution - and they know it. What they get all riled up about is that they are not "questioning" it, but making false assertions, for which they get called upon.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
Mate, again, you're missing the point: Creationists know they can "question Darwin"...crikey..."Was Darwin right?"...that wasn't hard...but the proiblem they deal with is the VERY PROBLEM DR. BERGMAN IS SPEAKING ABOUT!!! That is, derision, persecution and "slaughter"!
"Oh, but they deserve it because they are poor scientists and researchers!" you say....but what would you know? What have you read?
stewartreeve 2 years ago
And to follow that last reply: Here's a challenge to you from a fellow (chemical) engineer: actually READ something from Dr. Bergman: some of his "Creationist" papers (so you can see his calibre of writing) and his "Slaughter of the Dissidents" books (or even related papers) so you can actually get informed.
Please, take off you ignorant-hat, as your making your otherwise intelligent self look silly by accusing others of poor quality work with your poor quality work.
stewartreeve 2 years ago
What degrees and what school? How do they qualify you to stand in judgment of Dr. Bergman and the 100+ people he has profiled who were discriminated against for questioning evolutionism?
Teno22 2 years ago
Mate, have you actually READ any of Dr. Bergman's stuff? I find his reference lists alone intimidating. This man is a scholar of the highest order, and worthy of at least being LISTENED to - right or wrong - and especially not simply dismissed by, it seems, uninformed plebs like yourself (yes, i'm a pleb too, but at least i've read some of his stuff..)
stewartreeve 2 years ago 3
"I find his reference lists alone intimidating."
You find a "reference list" intimidating? Geez.
"This man is a scholar of the highest order"
You have GOT to be kidding me. You can't judge how good a scholar a person is by how many degrees he has, but you can tell a bit about his academic integrity if his highest degree comes from a diploma mill.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
OK, first thing: i have READ some of his writing, so when i refer to "references", i mean the bibliographies at the back of papers, not just his degree list; this, however, seems to be the extent of your research, and unfortunately, you seem to be painting me with the same poor extent of ignorance.
So, my "impression" is based on more than a reference list: it's based on atual READING of this person's work - which i still assert is bucket-loads more than yourself, it seems (??)
stewartreeve 2 years ago
Anyone can put a list of references that they misinterpret. It's no doubt that you've read more than I have from Dr. Bergman, but, yes, I read one of his papers - one on the impossibility of abiogenesis. I wasn't impressed. I vaguely recall reading an article he wrote about "Darwinism" being the cause of Nazism. Don't recall the details of that one, but again, not impressed. In other cases, I recall him resorting to the bible for explanation. not impressed.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
Secondly, how do you know one of his degrees comes from a "degree mill"? Now I want some of YOUR references: name the degree and the "degree mill" of interest, INCLUDING why the "mill" is not a "ligitimate" one in your view (ie. i hope it is not simply a matter of ideological bias, but of academic quality....)
stewartreeve 2 years ago
It must be intimidating - YOU won't read it.
Teno22 2 years ago
"It must be intimidating - YOU won't read it. "
Not reading the Upanishads and I'm not afraid of them either.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
CPU is a diploma mill? Really. Where do you get your information from? The fact is they were a critical factor in producing one of the most radical education reforms of the last century called distance learning.
Jennyray1973 2 years ago
Look CPU up on wiki and check under Site Visit and closure.
I have taken distance learning courses myself. I was probably among the first students ever to take an entire course real time over the net. I'm a big believer in Distance Ed, but not diploma mills.
Lots of successful professionals have degrees from diploma mills.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
All this talk about CPU is irrelevant. What does this have to do with the question of firing those who are Darwin Skeptics? An authors work should be judged on its merits and judging from the Amazon reviews and the other reviews, the book is right on the mark. Check it out on Amazon. One of my worst professors was a Harvard PhD one of my best had a CPU degree, but this proves little. The person is critical, not his or her degree, at least in judging a good teacher.
sandyb1900 2 years ago
Amazon reviews? The opinion of random people is a greater indication of scientific understanding than actual contribution to the peer reviewed literature? "The plural of anecdote is not data."
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
BTW, Are you the same person as JennyRay1973?
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
Wiki! Come on! This is a free for all site for anyone to post. I gave my students a handout on the bias of this website and they told me their other professors already told them they could not use it for research papers. I am fully aware of the slanderous claims on wiki and checked under Site Visit and closure. This is typical of wiki. They only want to slander the school. You really need to do your homework before you post. Wiki! Unbelievable.
Jennyray1973 2 years ago
You're a teacher? Wiki is not the best source, but it's an okay resource - as good as YT videos anyway. Are you saying that CPU has not been closed? I suspect there's a reason why so many of the creation "scientists" have so many degrees - as a way to boost their credibility to the unwary.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago