The Spanish Civil War - A. 'Prelude to Tragedy'

[Castillaleon19]

Anyone know the name of the song in the begining?

[matildaz]

The factions are remarkably similar to the various factions at odds in the United States now. The difference is the USA has a constitutional republic, not a democracy. There are safeguards in the USA against a democracy becoming "mob rule" which is what happened in Spain.

[swfcocs1]

@bielarus The catholic church in Spain was deeply involved in the rightist movement from the outset of class conflict many years before the war.They became identified as part of the enemy by the workers and peasants as they conspired to stop the appalling social conditions in Spain from improving.They campaigned against education for the masses and against union rights.When you pick a side you will be percieved as an enemy.Some priests did help the people but this was a small minority

[bielarus]

@swfcocs1

Catholic Church in Spain was involved with any movement that was not hostile to Catholic Church.

There were Catholic trade-unions, Catholic schools, Catholic hospitals and so on. Even Orwell mentioned it in "Homage to Catalonia".

Most ardent Nationalist soldiers were common farmers and workers from the north of Spain, Navarre esp.

Millions of common Spaniards were radicalised by the PF's abuse of power and discrimination. The result was civil war.

[bielarus]

@swfcocs1

PF government abused its authority at will in spring 1936 - several months before the Uprising.

That is why the opposing half of the Spanish population (National Front gathered _at least_ 45% of votes) became increasingly alienated and radicalised.

Catholics could not be fond of government openly protecting church-burners and looters. They felt themselves absolutely not protected. But at the same time the hierarchy of Catholic the Church in Spain supported the uprising only in 1937.

[unfukkkmee]

@kromando33 THE FRANCO IS NOT murderer OFCOURSE THE franco SAVED THE SPAIN FROM JEWISH CANCER

[swfcocs1]

@unfukkkmee Complete nonsense.The Spanish fascist elite began planning a military coup the moment the popular front won the election.

[unfukkkmee]

@swfcocs1 SHUT UP HYPOCRITE ANARCHOFASCIST

[swfcocs1]

@unfukkkmee Great reply,typical fascist intelligence.Wow,I`ve never met a gay greek anti semitic fascist before.What a strange world we live in! Nice picture on the profile by the way,was that the best one you could find? You`ll never find a boyfriend with that picture!

[unfukkkmee]

@swfcocs1 STOP THE NIGHTMARE JEWISH PROPAGANDA ASSHOLE.  THE MOST FASCISTS OF THE WORLD ARE JEWS AND SLAVS THE JEWS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS DEMOCRACY WHY THE GREEKS CREATED THE DEMOCRACY. OK ? LISTEN BARBRIAN LEADER OF FASCISM LISTEN NOW THE TALMUD SPEAKS BADLY AGAINST GREECE

[swfcocs1]

@unfukkkmee nobody is arguing about Greeces contribution to democracy,culture or art,but you speak of democracy then spout off about the jews! Also,writing in CAPITAL LETTERS doesn`t help convince people,it makes you sound like a screaming fascist.

[unfukkkmee]

 THE GREEKS BORN THE HUMANITY

@swfcocs1 DEATH TO judas FUCKING jewish WORM

[bielarus]

Left-wingers killed perhaps more innocent people than Nationalists.

The Leftist radicals themselves condemned the Republic to death - because under their banners by the summer of 1936 Spain ceased to be a democracy.

[swfcocs1]

@bielarus Nonsense.You forget that the popular front won a democratic election.The fascists,especiallt the falange began agitating for a coup almost immediately.The workers militancy rose as a direct result of this fascist agitation.Your statement about killings is also wrong.Both sides killed many,but the fascists undertook a systematic slaughter of trade unionists,leftists,liberals,po­ets,artists,feminists and any other group that opposed them when they overran an area

[bielarus]

@swfcocs1

Any democratically elected government can became a dictatorship if it abuses its authority and breaks the lawful rights of the minority.

That the case of leftists in 1936 - read "Collapse of the Spanish Republic" of Stanley Payne - most sourced and deep research of this topic.

Yes, both sides killed many, but I don't understand why slaughter of leftists is worse than slaughter of Christians. At least Nationalists did not kill people for their faith.

[farmerne]

It was in another documentary I saw about the Spanish Civil war, where a member of the "Lincoln Brigade" made a very insightful comment. He said that if the Western Democracies would have aided the Republicans, and prevented the Fascist takeover in Spain; there might never have been an Auschwitz.

[jpb252]

@farmerne Have you considered why the western democracies didn't help the Spanish Republic? Could it be that although there was an elected government there was no rule of law. Churches burned, seizure of property, opposition politicians murdered, leaders like Largo Caballero openly speaking of eliminating entire classes. Maybe the western democracies feared the establishment of a Soviet style state in western Europe. Stalin had already murdered millions, Hitler's crimes were yet to come.

[swfcocs1]

@jpb252 Not accurate.When the popular front won the election,fascists began openly agitating for a coup.left wing agitation also rose in this period as a result.Rightists also destabilized the economy to foil the govt`s pro worker policies.Strikes were deliberately provoked by lowering wages etc.Passions rose countrywide.The Allies refused to help the republic out of a fear of another world war.Spain truly was the first act of appeasement of fascism and nazism.

[swfcocs1]

@farmerne I`ve seen the lincoln documentary and the analysis is correct.The betrayal of the Spanish republic by the western allies was the first act of appeasement of fascism and nazism leading up to WW2

[WVliberty]

biggest problem was the communist in that war, that cause infighting on the republican side

[ContemptForYou]

@WVliberty

The Soviets were good Samaritans in comparison to the Nazis. That doesn't change the fact they murdered millions of their own as well. The point was, they didn't ethnically cleanse Jews, gypsies and homosexuals in the millions. I hope you aren't trying to excuse the Nazis.

If it wasn't for the fascists starting a civil war and over-throwing democracy, the communists would never have been there to try and hijack the Republican cause in the middle of the war. Next.

[WVliberty]

@ContemptForYou soviets were fucked up just like the nazis no better or worse, from the revolution to the death of stalin, but after stalin they werent as ruthless, Communist fucked up the republican side and all the infighting tht happend with the different party militias screwed them also, they also took out catholic churches which caused the catholic population to go for francos side, in homage to catalonia orwell said only churches he seen intact were 2 protestant churches in madrid

[ContemptForYou]

@WVliberty

At the risk of sounding like an apologist for Stalin, you can't compare what Stalin did to what Hitler did.

Hitler rose democratically in Germany, a very affluent and relatively free / enlightened nation. Stalin was part of a cabal of bolsheviks who had to overthrow the last fully sovereign monarch of Europe - a particularly brutal and oppressive Russian monarchy no less. Hitler didn't fight a civil war, or survive a life/death struggle to take over. In that light, Stalin was....

[WVliberty]

@ContemptForYou stalin also took out the communist who werent hardcore  blood thirsty basterds like he was and almost lost the war in the begining because of the purges he did against the red army

[ContemptForYou]

@WVliberty

Yes, like Hitler in his night of the long knives, Stalin showed himself to be a paranoid murderer. But again, bear in mind the context of how the bolsheviks came to power. It wasn't a nice, peaceful & democratic cake-walk into the Chancellor's office. Bear in mind that in their eyes, every force, both foreign & domestic were out to crush their revolution.

It is unsurprising that even the smallest details were picked out as reason to murder an opponent. They were truly paranoid.

[ContemptForYou]

@WVliberty

I don't think burning churches was especially a problem. The Republicans still had the majority of the Spanish population on their side, of which nearly all would have been Catholics regardless. Basques were especially fervent Catholics, but still fought for the Republicans.

Not that they can be blamed, you also have to remember that the Catholic church was inextricably linked to monarchy & the reactionary right - the same politics that had been rejected for a democratic republic.

[WVliberty]

@ContemptForYou the facsist had the best foregn aide and bterr guns and ammo, orwell said he kept his good facsist or mexican ammo for actual realistic combat came around, i dont know man read it, its a pretty good book man,

[WVliberty]

@ContemptForYou 1 thing you got to think about though is the different versions of facsism and communism, not all fascist are like hitler not all communist are like stalin

[ContemptForYou]

@WVliberty

Of course all fascists are not like Hitler, or all communists like Stalin. Evil comes in many different flavors, but you can rest assured that all brands of fascism are equally evil. Not that the comparison truly fits with Stalin, as he was a Bolshevik, not a communist or a socialist. The distinction is rather important - thus why most of the political Left in western Europe despised Stalin.

[WVliberty]

@ContemptForYou fascist communist there all fucked up, franco wasnt as ruthless as hitler though, actually probably the lesser strict of the facsist regimes

[ContemptForYou]

@WVliberty

... ESPECIALLY a good Samaritan compared to Hitler. He was just a sadistic fuck for the sake of being a sadistic, evil, racist, fuck.

Without the fascists over-throwing the democratic republic, the the Communists in Spain would never have had the opportunity to become a serious force on the Republican side. Intervention by the Nazis and Mussolini on Franco's side clearly drove them into accepting aid from the Soviet Union.

Franco was a vicious, cruel, and evil little dictator.

[WVliberty]

@ContemptForYou im reading homage to catalonia now im about halfway real good book, orwell said most of the left was against stalin, there was red terror against the catholic churchs in some occurences during the war, yes the church was for franco out of fear of being taken out by the communist, most churches were turned into barracks or hospitals and not burned but yes some were burned

[ContemptForYou]

@WVliberty

Homage to Catalonia is a good book, but it is also the account of a foreigner - always bear that in mind. There was a reason the anti-clericalist Republic was democratically elected and supported by the vast majority of Spaniards, Basques and Catalonians.

So yes, church burnings would not have been uncommon, they were intrinsically linked to political oppression and papal domination of Spain for centuries. That had been rejected.

[TierradeMaria]

Franco was a honest man, a loyal general that like many others saw the communist horror in our land. The civil war was not the problem, but the consequence.

Actually Franco was the last general to join the Alzamiento, hoping things will get better, but the killing of Calvo Sotelo made it clear that the left opted for violence.

The violence was everywhere, promoted by the left with their constant killings and violence. Democracy was destroyed. Franco saved Spain from the terror.

[ContemptForYou]

@TierradeMaria

Franco was a butcher, a fascist, a murderer, and an evil autocrat. There was no communist horror in Spain, stop repeating already disproven fascist lies. When your only allies are the Nazis and Mussolini, you need to hang your head in shame.

The civil war was the consequence of rabid far-rightists losing the elections that they thought they'd win. You can't spin it any other way. You lost democratically, so you turned to violence yet again - the same pattern throughout history.

[ContemptForYou]

@TierradeMaria

And after Franco had torn Spain apart, murdering hundreds of thousands of innocents, he turned in typically brutal fashion to murdering his political opponents. History will never absolve Franco of his crimes against humanity, and your appalling attempt to exonerate or excuse him with laughable, and deceitful fascist propaganda tales that were put to bed decades ago, reflect very poorly on you.

He made Spain the sick man of Europe. Even now Spain is ashamed of the man's legacy.

[ContemptForYou]

@TierradeMaria

Perhaps the most hilarious part of your naive belief that Franco was not a fascist (besides the historical fact that Spain was classed as a fascist dictatorship from 1939-1975), is that for 36 years practically until his death, Franco didn't re-instate the monarchy. And when he did it was as a final surrender to democracy, as he should have in the first place instead of starting civil war.

He ruled as an autocrat. A fascist. You'd better go away and look up the definition.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou Ok, let me just clear this up foe ye, liberal piece of sh**. Democracy is extremely overvalued, a totalitarian state could work just as fine if it were well organised. Look at Nazi Geramny, imagine where they would have got if WWII had never occured, and I don't mean killing jews, I mean making Germany big again. The second republic as red from the beggining, only peasants and progressive gaylords supported it. Besides, it claimed freedom of expression, yet they were (continued)

[olvoro11]

@olvoro11 burning churches and killing jews from the beggining. Franco was no hero, as a matter of fact, I prefer Sanjurjo or Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera ( maybe u know who they are, but I'm not sure, commies were always thick), but the fact that he supported the Pronunciamento meant he was worthwhile, none of the western democracies helped the second republic, because they were all a bunch of socialist peasants.

[ContemptForYou]

@olvoro11

The 2nd republic was a democratic republic, not socialist, you dribbling historical illiterate. Only the majority of the Spanish population supported it, but we've already established you're not that big on democracy. Who needs legitimacy, right? Idiot.

If you could form an argument without repeating already dismissed fascist lies, I might be inclined to take you seriously. Western failure to intervene was due to their fear of upsetting Hitler, nothing more.

Thanks for playing. Scum.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou No, the british government embraced a nationalist victory. The second republic had always been reds. And how the fuck do u know what fascisit lies were told? Maybe its u who dismisses them as lies, because u can't fucking accept that europe never supported the republic because they were red!

[ContemptForYou]

@olvoro11

No, the far-right Conservative government of Baldwin supported a fascist victory, like most cowardly, Conservative appeasers in the UK did. The rest of Britain, and the free world supported the democratic Second Republic.

Don't like it? Talk to the International Brigades. Free volunteers fighting for democracy and freedom. Your allies? Nazis and Mussolini's fascists.

I know they're fascist lies because I'm educated; unlike yourself. Spain rejected the rightists. Deal with it, scum.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou International brigades? Have u tried taking a look at them? THAT'S RIGHT, ALL OF THEM WERE COMMIES. the abraham lincolm brigade was made up of CPUSA members and people like George Orwell (democratic socialist). Maybe you are the scum, the second republic was not good. However, I would support a government like the US ferderal government, but no the second republic, all were commies

[ContemptForYou]

@olvoro11

More lies and disinformation. The Second Republic was a democratic republic, not communist. Get an education please.

The International Brigades had liberals, libertarians, communists, and socialists, but as in any western democracy, social democrats and democratic socialists make up a huge proportion of the electorate. They all support democracy. You, and the fascist scum you insist on telling lies for, do not agree with democracy.

Franco was evil. He ruined Spain. Next.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou I never said Iiked Franco. He did ruin Spain, I have already said I prefer Sanjurjo or Primo de rivera.

[ContemptForYou]

@olvoro11

You have already voiced your support for the fall of the democratic Second Republic of Spain. Ergo, you support what Franco and his band of fascist thugs did, and the consequences of their actions. You can't walk it back now son, sorry.

Right-wingers and fascist scum will always run whatever country they control into the ground. Spain would be a far wealthier and prosperous nation today had the Second Republic survived. Next.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou "you can't walk it now son" Yeah, as if I give a fuck what u think I can and cannot "walk back" I recall insulting the second republic exclusively, at no point did I refer to the good western democracies. All I said was that I prefferd the "fascist scum" to the commies/anarchists/homosexualk­s of the second republic

[ContemptForYou]

@olvoro11

You clearly do, as you keep coming back to proffer your idiotic nonsense, only to have me slap it back down. You supported the fall of the democratic Second Republic. There's nothing you can now say to walk it back son. You're an apologist for Franco, and the fascist scum that ran Spain into the ground. Fool. Next.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou I don't give a fuck what u think, with fascism, there was more liberty than communism: being able to leave the country, private property... mean anything to u?

[ContemptForYou]

@olvoro11

Again, you do care, because you keep coming back and I keep destroying your childish & ignorant 'arguments'.

In fascism there is no liberty. Only the liberty to do as you are told. You clearly have no understanding of the concept, and accordingly should cease to use it in your desperate attempts to apologize for fascism.

It is important to note, that rather than provide a credible argument, you've now resorted to calling me (wrongly, and rather hilariously) a communist. Fascist scum.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou I did not support the axis side in WWII, but I sure as hell prefer Hitler to Stalin and to the Second republic of redland.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou I did not support the axis side in WWII, but I sure as hell prefer Hitler to Stalin and to the Second republic of redland. and u know what, we could continue arguing forever and ever. So, tell u what, this conversation is over, liberal scum.

[ContemptForYou]

@olvoro11

Oh dear. It looks like an actual fascist troll has decided to venture his worthless opinion on this comment section. Sorry sunshine, but democracy wins over any other kind of government, ever created.

Yeah, look at Nazi Germany. Look at Mussolini's Italy. See how that ended up. You're a fool if you actually believe that Nazi economic policy was geared towards anything other than war and territorial expansion. You really need to get a clue.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou You think? So how do you explain that China is advancing towards being world economic leaders? Its not democracy but capitalism the reason why the USA is so good.

[ContemptForYou]

@olvoro11

You aren't just an economically illiterate troll, your arguments are wholly lacking any historical understanding.

Forgetting the fact that China was massively undeveloped & thus the scope for huge economic expansion & growth was, and still is relatively limitless, China will inevitably begin the process to greater democratization as its citizens become more affluent & educated; thereby demanding greater rights.

Their growth will slow as human & worker rights equal those in the west.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou No, economic growth has nothing to do with deomcracy, but capitalism. What need is there for liberty if you already live well?

[ContemptForYou]

@olvoro11

Democracy has a lot to do with economic growth. I'll assume you've conceded the other points I made concerning China's relatively undeveloped state.

As China democratizes, and its workers and growing middle classes demand greater rights and a political say, its growth will slow. You would have to be truly naive and ignorant to deny this fact.

What need is there for liberty, if you already live well? Oh dear. No wonder you still aren't getting this. You actually think fascism is good.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou I sure as hell prefer a fascist to a damn commie, and I think most american citizens will agree with me, polla say americans trust commies less than nazis. And yeah, there is no need to chose a government if you live well with the one u have, people can be really ignorant when it comes to voting

[ContemptForYou]

@olvoro11

Yes, as a fascist supporter, it is likely you would support fascists over communists. It is also likely, given the relatively recent antagonism between the USA and the Soviet Union, Americans would still fear communism, as like you, they have very short memories. Fascism was by far the worst, and most deadly of the two rival systems.

That's the point. Without civil, democratic, or human rights, you are not living well. You seem to have entirely missed the point. Talk about ignorance.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou Fascism was worse, yeah, specially when it wasn't fascism that almost caused WWIII in the Cuban Missile Crisis, it wasn't fascism that did not let people go out of their own country, it wasn't fascism that did not allow people private property and it certainly was not fascism who killed more than 60 million in total. How was communism better than fascism?

[ContemptForYou]

@olvoro11

Fascism started WWII. Straight off the bat, that's 60 million+ dead. That you place sole blame on the Soviets for the Cuban Missile Crisis is again indicative of your simplistic and ignorant reading of history. No, fascism butchered millions of people & forced millions more to flee, seizing their property & assets. They do not value human life, at all. Only the will to power.

"Communism" endured 80 years. Fascism was all but destroyed during WW2. Imagine the destruction had they not.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou ForYou That was National Socialism, you fucking commie, I'm talking about fascism! Besides, need I remind you that communism never closed down Nazi concentration camps? They used the mas well.

[ContemptForYou]

@olvoro11

Put simply for thick fascist types, who tend to be awful at maths and understanding proportionality, if fascists managed to burn the world and kill over 60 million people in barely 10 years, how many more millions do you think they'd have wiped out if they'd existed until 1990?

You can get that every Russian, Arab, and Jew would have been genocided. How about Africa? Does the iron will of fascism and the master race tolerate Africans? Fascist. Scum.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou That was National Socialism, you fucking commie, I'm talking about fascism!

[ContemptForYou]

@olvoro11

National Socialism was fascism, you ignorant, fascist scumbag. Get an education please.

Fascism started WW2. You support fascism. No wonder you're so upset they lost?

Funny, I don't recall the Soviets rounding up 11 million PoWs, Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, socialists, liberals, and communists, and then gassing them.

Thanks for playing.

[olvoro11]

@ContemptForYou Funny, I don't recall Hitler killing 20 million russians.

[ContemptForYou]

@olvoro11

Funny, history DOES record Hitler murdering almost 40 million Russians. I repeat, get an education.

You're an apologist for fascism. I'll assume you're shutting up now, since you realized how embarrassing it was to pretend the Nazis weren't fascists. Maybe in time, as you grow up and become more educated, you'll realize that the Spanish Civil War was the prelude to WW2 - the battle between evil fascism, and those fighting for freedom and democracy.

Thanks for playing. You're done.

[WVliberty]

@ContemptForYou no they just worked them to death in siberia and called them political prisoners

[TierradeMaria]

Franco was a monarchist and a traditional catholic, calling him a "fascist" deserves no attention because it´´s simply stupid. Everyone knowsthat the only similar movement to fascism was the Falange, which had.....1 elected representant inthe parliament. The majority of spanish people was catholic, even in republican side, as anyone can imagine. People voted for leftist because of social issues, not beacause of religion. That was an issue of only a minority of hard line marxists.

[ContemptForYou]

@TierradeMaria

Bahahaha! Attempting to pretend Franco was anything OTHER than a fascist is idiotic. I'm really not sure what you're hoping to achieve in pursuing such a truly stupid line of argument. Franco was a fascist, this is historical fact. No amount of Franco-apologist nonsense changes this fact.

Nearly EVERYONE in Spain was a catholic, by upbringing, but like most reasonable people they didn't take religion seriously - that's why the progressive parties won the elections fool.

[TierradeMaria]

Genjuanpa is saying the truth that all olders in Spain know. It is stupid to call "fascist" all the monarchists, conservatives, catholics and even a big number of military officials who were republicans and lead the Alzamiento Nacional.

The majority of people, you can check that, voted centre and conservative.

It was the violence and ultimately the Kiiling of Calvo Sotelo by the socialist party and government officers what made Franco join the Alzamiento, who was very reluctant.

[Genjuanpa]

It is a mock to say that the communists and socialists fought against centuries of oprression. It was them, and only them, who killed and provoked violence prior to the war, when we lived in a democracy. They used the violence and they said that they wanted a civil war believing they will win it since the majority of catholic population would not employ violence. It was like that until the war started. It was easier to burn and assesinate than beat catholics in an open war. That´s the truth.

[ContemptForYou]

@Genjuanpa

You are apparently poorly acquainted with the truth.

Franco and the far-right fascist scum led a violent rebellion against the democratic republic of Spain. They lost the arguments, and then the election. They couldn't handle the fact that the majority of Spaniards were liberals and socialists, not inbred monarchists and evil fascists.

Franco and the fascists are single-handedly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, their butchery and murder. Idiots.

[TierradeMaria]

@ContemptForYou

You tell me the date when the spanish people voted de the Republican Constitution. The answer: never, because it was imposed by the people who actually overtoke the government after the great majority of people had voted monarchists parties in local elections. It was because of menace of violence by the republicans that the King decided to leave Spain. That was irresponsable and the political class led us to disaster. The war was not the problem, but the consequence.

[ContemptForYou]

@TierradeMaria

Wrong, and wrong again. The Spanish people rejected general Primo de Rivera and the monarchy, they voted in GREAT MAJORITY for the anticlerical, liberal and socialist parties. You are either a liar, or very, very ignorant.

The Spanish people wanted a secular, modern state, but the fascist scum like Franco wanted to take Spain back to the dark ages. They did, you are a fine example of a generation of people who have no historical or political education. I am so sorry for you.

[TierradeMaria]

@ContemptForYou

Franco was a monarchist.

General Sanjurjo was republican (he helped the Republic arrive)

General Cabanellas was not only a republican but also a free mason.

General Mola was neither any type of "fascist"

the list of republican and monarchists generals, far away from any "fascism" can go forever.

Your information is far any reality and very close to the communits propaganda.

All of them, glory be to the Lord, preserved our true freedom from the communist world.

[ContemptForYou]

@TierradeMaria

The fact that you haven't yet realised that fascism, particularly in nations like Spain was a direct derivative of monarchy, and for those with monarchist sympathies, that unlike you, had the intelligence to realise that monarchy was no longer a tenable form of governance in the 20th century, opted for the most similar autocratic modus operandi.

You truly are an ignorant person. You must think it's a coincidence these supporters of monarchy became fascists hahaha! Fool.

[TierradeMaria]

I could give you hundreds of quotes from the socialist, republican and communist parties in the years previous to the civil war, asking and promoting a civil war because, as the clearly stated, they were sure of the victory.

Communists, socialists and other republicans didn´t have to combat any "fascists" , but a majority of monarchists, catholics, normal conservatives, even republican generals and the moderated catalan nationalists of Cambó. And a lot of basque catholic nationalists.

[ContemptForYou]

@TierradeMaria

You're still regurgitating more fascist-apologist attempts to re-write history. The Spanish people rejected monarchy, and autocracy, overwhelmingly. Like most sore losers with very little intelligence and an irrational belief in religion, the fascist scum like Franco couldn't take losing the argument.

They started the civil war, not the democrats/socialists/liberals/­communists. The people of Spain chose, you can't re-write history.

[paulo207]

Burn all facists to death and all their supporters on here like those conservative cunts. Communism rules and you polish cunt go fuck your mother and die you retard and the only religious people/priests who were killed were with the facists so they're rotting like they deserve sweet.

[MultiMagnificus]

@paulo207 7000 sacedotes, religiosos y monjas asesinados. decenas de miles de católicos (incluidos mujeres y niños) ejecutados al borde de las carrteras, en sus casas, en las iglesias. Aquellos degenerados anarquistas, comunistas y repúblicanos sembraron el horror y la muerte y cosecharon lo que se merecían. Solo eres un puto rojo totalitarista asesino de mujeres y niños. Franco os dio bien por culo, cabrón.

[Eduardovital]

@kromando33 YOU ARE A STUPID BASTARD

[feefee907]

Franco did not save Spain he was a murderer

[CompanyFlow78]

Viva Franco - hero who save a Spain.

[stradhex]

@CompanyFlow78 you sucked his dick and one ball, cabrón! jejje

[CompanyFlow78]

@stradhex

A typical red pig who can not argue and can only offend the opponent.

[stradhex]

@CompanyFlow78 a typical black shirt pig who knows nothing of life and only speaks idiocy. life is a treasure and knowbody deserves to be killed for an ideology, retard.

[CompanyFlow78]

@stradhex So, why red pigs killed peoples who just belived in God and go to churches? Most totalitarian ideology was red ideology - as communism, maoism or socialism.

[stradhex]

@CompanyFlow78 and why people who believe in god and attend church forget that commandment: thou shall not kill? you are pretty dumb with your reasoning. go read a book or just keep saying what you say best: oink, oink.

[CompanyFlow78]

@stradhex And what's a priests killed some Spaniards? I know of no such case. But I do know that within 5 years of the Republic, hundreds of churches were burned and killed over a hundred clergy. So start reading the books (but not those proposed by the red pig Zapatero, the only objective) and start thinking like a man and not a communist pig. And read Orwell's "1984", he wrote about foolers as you.

[stradhex]

@CompanyFlow78 omision is as evil as action. priests let those killings and condoned the murderes. if you could read, you`ll understand that the crimes commited by the national side were organized and executed with sang froid as the french say: in cold blood so you understand. while the crimes commited by the republic, where comitted by the mob-lynching mentality. it is quite different. what i think is perhaps you are american? which means if i'm right no passport and epcot as your world culture

[CompanyFlow78]

@stradhex And who had those priests to defend? Murderers, who wanted to destroy the Church? During guerra civil Republicans killed nearly 7,000 clergy (priests and nuns), and then the priests had to defend them? Besides talking about what happened next, in advance, before the war, priests do not shed their blood Republicans. Crimes are crimes, the Republicans had them on their conscience a lot, as in Paracuellos or Barcelona and other.

[stradhex]

@CompanyFlow78 pigs appear in animal farm. 1984 people like you who are afraid of rats and squeal like a pig when scared by imaginary commie monsters!

[stradhex]

@CompanyFlow78 i was wrong you are polish catholic who lived under the communists if you are old enough. spain is no poland and the republic was freely chosen by it's people. what i find disturbing is that you actually like tha fascists the ones tha brought to your country so much death. CURIOUSLY ENOUGH BY LASt NAME IS PERLA a polish jewish name. so we are brothers ina sense: oink oink, brother.

[CompanyFlow78]

@stradhex Invented Communism? Read and find out how many crimes committed by the communists from the Comintern and the International Brigades during guerra civil. Learn about the many crimes committed by the Communists since the Revolution in 1917 until the fall of communism. Communism has killed nearly 100 million people and you write about some "illusions"?

[CompanyFlow78]

@stradhex I'm not a fascist, I do not know why you are trying to convince me. I am a Conservative like Franco, who saved Spain from murder communism. But sometimes I regret that he did it because Spain had by those over 50 years (1936-1989), ruled by communists, then Spaniards like you and other "anti-Frankists" would love Franco, just as we, the Poles, we regret that in Poland at that time there was not someone like Franco and our country for 50 years was destroyed by the communist criminals.

[stradhex]

@CompanyFlow78 how can you admire franco when he killed so many innocent people? signing death sentences and then going to church to receive the body of christ? come on, you must be seriously retarded or a person with no sense of morals. yes communists where criminals. and yes francoists where criminals. both are the same just different spectrums. you should worship good, rightfulness, compasion, temperance, justice and wisedom. not that midget criminal who is must defenetly roating in hell!!!

[AnthemicPolemic]

@kromando33 That is retarded, and also a common thought of the right extreme but in the inverse, so go kill yourself if you really believe such rubbish.

[TheTollundWoman]

Viva la Republica. Viva Espana Libre

[NoEoAoRo]

Good thing stupid thoughts or utterances aren't punishable by death otherwise you'd be dead.

[AristYdes]

I guess you have the means to read peoples minds hehe

[Ske11en]

it was cyncally used as a dress rehesal by some agencys for the greater conflict to come

[fiscornioman]

I have visited Belchite, this town, and its pretty breathtaking.

It was a hot and sunny day, and me and my gf were the only in the whole town.

Its scary and sad, a sense of brutality is present in every corner, total destruction.

[lonelyonehere]

actually left wing thoughts as well. both extremes are of no good use to free minded free thinking people.

[cylon85912]

you lost, get over it commie piggy! Hahahahahahaha!!

[CubanodePlacetas]

Probably should be a fair deal, since left wing thoughts are already punished with stupidity.

[Versus1984]

Le mot juste, mon ami :)

[CubanodePlacetas]

Merci cher ami!

[RavingCelt009]

What is the order Ge0rge0rwell put these videos in? There's so many of them. Still great though!

[Noid111]

Fantastic! I saw this at my university in the mid 90's and it helped me with my dissertation. It developed into a fascination for Spain.

Thanks for putting this up George. Where did you get this, can you purchase it etc?

[nazibreaker]

viva leftists comunists socialist  anarchist unite

[CubanodePlacetas]

Viva Cristo Ray, down with the communists!

[goby999]

Its spelled "Cristo Rey", and you are an idiot.

[CubanodePlacetas]

Gracias por tu iluminacion! Viva Cristo Rey! Abajo las ratas comunistas como tu. Ya saben que si scan las unas de nuevo se las vamos a cortar.

[goby999]

You are estupido!

[CubanodePlacetas]

and you are a looser, Franco kicked your ass.

[goby999]

I may be a loser, but you are stupid. Really stupid. Really stupid, like a rock. And he didn't kick my ass, I live in California and didn't fight in the war. See, you're stupid. Really stupid. Really stupid, like a rock.

[CubanodePlacetas]

California!!!! If you take the nuts out and... you know the rest.

[goby999]

You are sooooooooo stupid!!!!

[CubanodePlacetas]

Get lost.

[goby999]

You are:

Estupido

Tonto

Burro

You get lost, Jacksass

[CubanodePlacetas]

Liberalism is a mental disorder!

[goby999]

Nationalism is a infantile disease, estupido

[CubanodePlacetas]

They should not let people to log into YouTube unles they have some academic degree. I do not think that requiering a Ph.D. would be necessary, even though, it would be nice, but at least an associate degree, so that we could get rid of all this liberal morons like you.

[goby999]

You are estupido

[TariqAlSuave]

Nationalism is based on two moral axioms anathema to any rational person; first, that divisions of ethnicity, language, birthplace etc. have some sort of moral significance, and, secondly, that the imagined community of the nation is more important than the well being of the individual. These assumptions have done immeasurable harm to humanity.

[TariqAlSuave]

Franco couldn't reach, let alone kick, anyone's ass. He's like three feet tall. And squeaky-voiced. And a stupid totalitarian asshole. Viva el Mundo! Viva el Flying Spaghetti Monster!

[CubanodePlacetas]

Probably you are right in how tall he was, but he did scared the sheet out of the communists. They all ran away like the devil from the cross! That tells you that while he was small, he did have balls like a giant!

[Versus1984]

One's valour, especially when talking about Men of History, has nothing to do with his physicall appearence. The people who forged the fate of the 20th century were ofthen short like Chirchill, handicapped like Roesevelt, or meagre like Ghandy. Nor Cromwell, nor Napoleon, nor Hitler were giants in the physicall sence. However their will, cruellty, wits and vision made them crucial to our history.

[ImperialGuard9001]

Nicely said!

[goby999]

BTW, I actually do have a doctorate. Its not a Ph.D., but its a J.D. So there!!!

[stradhex]

@CubanodePlacetas Cristo Rey nunca mató a nadie imbecil. más bien ofrecía su otra mejilla. ve mejor que te sodomice un curita de esos que tanto amos.

[ungentrified]

Just as fascinating to watch as 'World at War'.

[goby999]

Thanks! Great video that I've wanted to watch for a long time. No Pasaran!

P.S. I'm the grandson of a Lincoln Brigade vet.

[CubanodePlacetas]

Viva Cristo Rey, down with the reds!

[goby999]

Jacksass! (that's even worse than Jackass)

[CubanodePlacetas]

MarineCountyElement! (that is even worse than Jacksass!)

[goby999]

What the heck in Marine County?? I'm not a fish...I'm a human being, estupido!!

[CubanodePlacetas]

yes, human being with a mental disorder called liberalism.

[goby999]

Yes I am guilty of being a liberal, estupido

[sandokant2007]

Thank You for this collection!!!

You are Great GeorgeOrwell