Eyewitness Accounts of WTC Explosions on 911 (Part Two)

[TheGraceofChrist]

All these nutty theories. It's amazing what's on the net. So, is everyone trying to say terrorists can't put bombs in the subway? And the guy was not supposed to leave the hospital

[roquefortfiles]

Oh alright i give in. It was all a conspiracy. No planes hit the buildings. It was all CGI planes. 50 videos shot all over New York were all Doctored and sent out to the News Stations to air live. Butchers were hired to slice up body parts and then agents with flat bed trailers scurried about dropping it all over lower Manhattan. Engineers hauled aircraft parts up to the surrounding rooftops and dressed it all out.

This is the kind of nonsense a truther MUST believe with all of this crap

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Ever feel like you're the only one on an island?

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Depends what island you are talking about. With you guys? Gilligans Island or maybe the Island of Dr Moreau.

How does it go? "If you can keep your head while all around you are losing theirs..."

Its only an island if you look at it from the water.

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

An island with you and the other disinfo agents on it. A very lonely island. All inhabitants wake up each morning and base their lifes on nothing but lies and deceipt. There's no honor on this island. Let's call it the Island of Disinformation, ok?

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 As opposed to the Truther island that wakes up every day and talks about CGI planes hitting real buildings. Even though the event was photographed from 50 different angles!!  Disregarding mutilated innocent victims bodies as being "Planted". Claiming no plane hit the ground when 98% of it was recovered.

Yes.. welcome to the Truther island. The inmates run the facility (medication time!!)

I would be like Papillon waiting for the wave to get me the hell out of there.

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Wait. What? Mutilated victims? Where? Pentagon, nope. Shanksville, nope. WTCs, nope. 98% of what plane was recovered? Maybe it should be called delusional island where you believe everything you read or see in one of Rkowen's videos? 50 angles of Flight 175 but not one of the Flight 77. Yes, makes perfect sense. The perps didn't really think this one out beforehand, huh?

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Flight 77.? And shredded pieces with AMERICAN AIRLINES written on it on the front lawn don't cut it? Or 100 eye witnesses? Some who had the plane go over their head.

Last time a 747 went over my head at tree top level i didn't have much trouble knowing what the hell i was looking at.

You people are a sad sad bunch. Honestly!!

(Oh I know fuck off disinfo agent right!!)

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Here's the facts. Prove me wrong?

1. There is no photographic evidence of even ONE body identified as a passenger at the Pentagon or any other plane crash.

2. There is no evidence that ANY of the wreckage from ANY of the four plane crashes has been officially verified as being from the registered flights.

3. There is no evidence of 98% recovered wreckage of ANY plane from 911.

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Tom and Melanie Frost, have spent two years knowing they will never understand why.

A few days before the first anniversary of our daughter's murder, we were notified that they had found a piece of her in the piles and piles of gritty rubble of the World Trade Center that had been hauled out to Staten Island. It was Lisa's way, we believe, of telling us she wasn't lost.

Lisa was on 175.

you need to wake up from your brain addled stupor dude!!

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

That really didn't address 1, 2 or 3? These were your statements, now prove them with real evidence?

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 (QUOTE) Since receiving the personal effects of Flight 93 passengers from the FBI in early November, Douglass has been preparing the items for return. For example, about two weeks ago, FBI agents presented the wedding ring and wallet of passenger Andrew Garcia to his wife, Dorothy, in Portola Valley, Calif.

I don't really think i need to answer the rest. I guess CASPER THE FRIENDLY GHOST was on the plane??!!

What is it like to loose your mind? Tell me? you MUST KNOW!!

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Save the quotes. These are the only quotes you should address, ok? They are your own. But, you seem to avoid them in every post?

YOU: when 98% of it was recovered

ME: Where is the evidence of 98% recovered wreckage from any plane?

YOU: Disregarding mutilated innocent victims bodies as being "Planted

ME: Where is the evidence of even one body identified as a passenger?

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 This comes down to being RATIONAL, LOGICAL Do you think the medical examiner of Somerset county is going to trot out a box of body parts for the media to photograph? Do you think the NTSB (not exactly an investigative body KNOWN for corruption) are going to trot out a bin full of plane parts??

The fact they are listing the parameters on the flight recorder ALONE should be proof enough for you that the plane IS THERE

And no those ARE NOT my quotes. I don't make shit up!!

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Bodies due to the Pentagon impact were shown as Moussaoui Trial exhibits. None were identified as passengers, but they were shown. The difference? In a plane crash, wreckage is usually identified by the serial numbers. This did not happen. So, with no available evidence to present, you are basing your entire belief in this (without a doubt) on just blind assumptions? Is that correct? Now, why would anyone call you a disinfo agent?

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Dude are you REALLY this stupid? Go to the NTSB's FOIA web page. (I have) You can read to your hearts content about every aspect of the plane recoveries and analysis. But i think someone like yourself needs to read it with just a SLIGHT bit of Logical interpretation. For starters the NTSB is not exactly a body rife with corruption. These people are life long professionals. A report on a flight Data Rec. MEANS THE PLANE IS THERE!!.

Disinfo agent? like WTF??

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Although reading is fun and I appreciate your take on the NTSB, what I'm looking for is real evidence. Like this: The FDR data from Flight 77 showed that it missed all light poles at the Pentagon because it was approx. 480 ft too high. That's the evidence I'm taking about...errrr.. proving that it wasn't there.

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

"Disinfo agent? like WTF??"

Yes, disinfo agents usually tour multiple 911 YT pages spreading disinformation. Like these pages..

9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757

WTC 7 Collapse Explanation

1/5 Pilots for 9-11 Truth - World Trade Center Attack

911 The Hezarkani file TV Fakery .

Rare North Tower Impact Photos

9 11 lost files

9/11 Debunked: WTC 7's Collapse Explained

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 You friends with Jarred Laughner?

(another quote for your brain addled mind)

No plane hit the Pentagon? Tell that to Mickey Bell, Sean Boger, Omar Campo, Michael DiPaula, Frank Probst, and Jack Singleton, all of whom saw flight 77 approach and came within feet of being struck as it roared across the Pentagon lawn. Probst dove out of the way to avoid being hit by the 757's right engine, which tore through this fence and damaged the construction generator trailer at right:

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Ya know what's interesting? How all disinfo agents quote witnesses of the Pentagon as evidence even though there is no photographic evidence of a plane even approaching the Pentagon, no wreckage around the impact hole or no major fire. But, these plants disgard all witnesses of WTC explosions as taken out of context when there are many common characteristics of controlled demolition; demo flashes, near free fall, pre-collapse ground shaking, etc. One sided logic is funny.

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 LOL. Non existent logic is even funnier!! I stood 2 blocks from a controlled demo shooting for a news station. My camera audio was so loud Helen Keller could have heard it in New Jersey. ABC's camera man shot from ACROSS THE STREET. Not a sound was heard. CD? Its a little more than a joke. More like entirely ridiculous. And yes all the Pentagon remarks.. I am sure every one of those people are making it all up.

You are a rather sad fellow dude!! I feel sorry for you

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Pentagon:

1. No video/photo of a 757

2. No evidence of the majority of wreckage (cockpit, wings, tail, (2) engines, fuselage, luggage, 239 chairs)

3. No verification of the wreckage (including the FDR, CVR)

4. No massive fire at the impact hole

5. No photographic evidence of one body identified as a passenger

6. No engine/wing/tail impact damage

7. No seismic data for the impact

8. MAJOR witness inconsistencies that can not be backed by the physical evidence

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

'Not a sound was heard. CD?"

I'm guessing every one of the witnesses above (and man many others) possibly heard pop corn being popped? Funny. Keep trying...

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 I don't need to "keep trying" I know it is a bunch hooey. You go and watch ABC NEWS shoot from the base of the tower, across the street. Not a peep!!! There is also another one shooting from about a block away... COMPLETE SILENCE.  the tower just falls and that is it. No bangs no massive detonations.

I have been there recording with exactly the same equipment the ABC NEWS guy has.

NOT POSSIBLE!!! Not even REMOTELY possible.

Keep trying??.!!! ITS A JOKE!!

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

"COMPLETE SILENCE"

Not here, huh?

watch?v=_A9X_8flGeM

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Who cares?!! And I am not surprised there were explosions. But these videos have ZERO context and it is just a mish mash of clips slammed together. Some obviously taken after buildings had fallen so BIG WOOP!! If i handed this in as an editing assignment in journalism it would get an F.

I am talking about RELEVANT CONTEXT based Time, sound and Images.

You watch this. ABC NEWS across the street.

watch?v=0IvicKnhANs

NOT A SOUND!!! Then collapse.

Ridiculous

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Try this for a homework assignment?

1. Near free fall collapse

2. Witness accounts of explosions

3. Pulverized concrete at initiation of collapse

4. Pre-collapse ground shaking

5. Demolition flashes

6. No physical evidence of extreme heat at impact hole but..

7. Extreme temps buried in basement/rubble for weeks

8. Nano-thermite discovered

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Yeah blah blah. Same old crap from you. Why don't you listen to someone with a RATIONAL Brain. Not married to ridiculous theories and unable to look at FACTUAL MATERIAL.

Here you go. 3 mins of crystal clear audio and video prior to the collapse

We hear nary a PEEP!! Nice quiet voices!!

watch?v=8Mz0_x7313I&feature=fv­sr

I stood probably at twice this distance on a CD, my camera audio of explosions was STUNNING.

Aint happening dude!! Not in the slightest.

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

"Same old crap from you"

And I've never heard this "No Sound" tune from you before. Even though many witnesses described hearing and feeling explosions. I think I will trust these witnesses, ok?

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Sure, whatever you like. If you are too ignorant to look at a video tape recording clear audio and picture that shows absolutely nothing in the way of anything you purport to talk about. You are just an ignorant idiot as far as I am concerned.

I will tell you this. You send me a video showing me.. "boom boom boom boom (Explosions) and the tower collapsing all in one shot. And i will get down on bended knee and apologize to you.

But you cant cause it don't exist.

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 1 Wrong. no where near free fall speed 2 so what! 10,000 gals of Jet fuel all over the place! 3 Yeah? AND? a 30 story section just let go. Hardly a revelation. 4 Yeah and? (See above 30 story section!!!) 5 Show me. I have seen MANY videos. None have any flashes. BS!! 6 ???? What?? and floors sagging dont cut it? 7 So. It WAS on fire. 8 Well that scanning electron amount was surely responsible!! This all kind of falls in to the "So what" category in my books.

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

1 It depends on who believe? "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds,"-911 Commission Report,

2 Did jet fuel make it to the basement areas in 56 mins?

3 It was held since the 70's, right?

4 This was before the collpase genius.

5 Demo flashes:

Before the collapse: watch?v=LQYFABSlCQ4

During the collapse: watch?v=elYw7MHf7GQ

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 People breaking windows?? The compression of the upper floors exciting through areas of least resistance. Its rather curious how you skirt the issue of nearly 3 minutes of excellent quality audio and picture showing absolutely NO SOUND coming from the towers prior to its collapse???!!

So which is it? The non contextual "i heard explosions" videos you push? Or 3 mins of Chrystal clear audio and picture showing NO SOUND whatsoever before collapse?

Choose wisely

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

6 No evidence of extreme temps at the impact hole:

"Of the more than 170 areas examined on 16 perimeter column panels, only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 ºC (480ºF). Using metallographic analysis, NIST determined that there was no evidence that any of the samples had reached temperatures above 600 ºC (1110ºF)." (p 140)-NIST

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Here. Educate yourself. If the WTC had explosives in it this is what you would hear BEFORE it collapses.

watch?v=khD2gZkkSu0

This is what we DO hear.... NOTHING!!! 3 mins worth of audio prior to collapse.

watch?v=8Mz0_x7313I

I am not really sure HOW one can argue against this fact. And you can go on and on about people hearing stuff but there is NOTHING going on for 3 mins. The building fails from total silence and that my friend. is IMPOSSIBLE for explosives

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Your entire arguement is based on sound , but you have no logical explanation for these characteristics of CD. For example, a fire 800-1000 ft up cannot cause extreme temps in the rubble and sub-basement areas. Enter nano-thermite. A fire 800-1000 ft up does not cause explosions all throughout the building (see above video). Also, the ground would not shake BEFORE the collapse unless there was a massive amount of energy (CD) influencing the collpase before hand. Logic prevails

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 I am not talking about fires in the basement and i am not talking about nano thermite. stop bobbing and weaving!! I am talking about nearly 3 mins of crystal clear audio prior to collapse. Its ridiculous and you know it!! If this building was rigged with explosives the cacophony of sound happening BEFORE collapse would be nothing short of OVERWHELMING. I know this for a fact!! This event would not happen in silence.. AND IT DOES!!

Get real. That is logic!!

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

That is exactly my point. There is other evidence pointing to CD. Your tunnel vision approach to the sound is not logical. First, do you know what explosives were used? No. But again, a fire 800-1000 ft cannot find its way into the sub-basement levels and under the rubble to cause extreme temps. The same fire cannot cause the explosion accounts all throughout the building in the above video. You avoid this for good reason.

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Lets just get right down to.. "Logic".. your brain.. in all of its practical, sensible, logical RATIONAL intelligence. Says some "TEAM" of government badies goes in to the WTC, knocks out walls, flooring, wires up...? HUNDREDS of pounds of explosives. Leaves. Waits for planes to hit. INCREDIBLY none of this impact dislodges ANY of the explosives. Waits an hour

Then sets it all off??

I think that is so ridiculous it is not even worth commenting on.

Its INANE

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

There are wireless detonators and explosives could have been placed at any time within months, even years. But, since nano-thermite was found, this was obviously not your average CD job.This is why your "sound" arguement does not apply. A large portion of the steel was removed as early as Oct01 and shipped away to India and China. And can you post the evidence that ANY team went to the site specifically looking for explosive residues? NIST did not even test for these residues.

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Look at some hard facts fella!! Both buildings fail and collapse at the floors they were hit. To think that a bunch of explosives magically stays in place on a floor obliterated by an airliner is nothing short of ridiculous (its ALL ridiculous!!)  150 pounds of thermite did NOTHING to a steel column during a test and you would not be finding MICROSCOPIC amounts of the stuff (which i do believe turned out to be PAINT CHIPS) it would be CAKED one end to the other.

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

"Look at some hard facts fella!! Both buildings fail and collapse at the floors they were hit. "

Enter logic: Two plane impacts, three steel framed building collapses all in seconds. So, the plane impacts or jet fuel don't seem to matter, ehh? All three buildings had extreme temps buried underneath them. What did all three buildings have in common for these to occur? Plane impact, no. Jet fuel, no. Upper damage, no. Diesel tanks, no. Thermite and explosives, YES!!!!

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 I just watched a documentary a few weeks ago talking about B7. It was current. They spoke to the metallurgist who examined the steal of B7. The steal was found to have failed from "RAPID EROSION" Not by explosives, not melted (as in Thermite) eroded from FIRE alone!!

And common sense does not tell you that 210ft squared full of THERMITE is not going to leave JUST A BIT of residue of that?

And you jump up and down from a scanning electron amount??!!. It was PAINT!

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Paint? really? funny

Nano Thermite Composition:

gray-red bi-layer

hard ceramic gray layer composed of iron and oxygen

Nano-engineered red layer comprosing:

1. semi-transparent matrix layer containing silicon, oxygen, and carbon

2. Embedded in the matrix are particles consisting of hexagonal plates of mostly mostly aluminum

and rhombic grains mostly iron and oxygen, probably as Fe2O3

All of this is not visible until magnified at 50,000X.

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Right!! a scanning electron magnified...particle!!! is responsible for searing through 47 huge int columns 60/side BOX columns!!! all magically going off in perfect synchronization. Incredibly getting that MASSIVE job done without being visible AT ALL across 210 feet of shattered windows and splayed open building facade (but we can CLEARLY see collapsed floors!!!) A reaction brighter than a welders torch.

And NONE of that can be seen.

Its a couple notches past kooky

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Yes. These are called unknowns. Evidence that you haven't seen and logical cannot speculate on, but you continue to use as your main evidence? You state "No sound", but you have no idea what explosives were used, correct? Focus on the evidence that is known. Like the witness accounts of explosions in locations unrelated to the fire/impact? Extreme temps in hte rubble/basements in all three buildings? Still no explanation for that? This is the damning evidence..

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Any explosive powerful enough to cut through steel beams... is going to be loud!! No two ways about. Shaped charges are used BECAUSE they are shaped... to do THE JOB!!. Conventional explosives detonate in a round circular pattern.. No good to cut beams.. because 80% of the energy goes in every direction. That is why shaped charges get used. As stated before. this event does not happen in a sound vacuum.

Impossible Aint happening.  been there.. done that!! RIDICULOUS

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

But, there was sound? The above clip of witness accounts and many others in different times and different locations in the building? No explanation? The audible explosions captured here in this clip?

watch?v=_A9X_8flGeM

The explosions seem to be staggered between the impact and the collapse possibly to not appear like a normal CD job (your logic).

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Um there is dust and debris all over!!! This is after the tower has collapsed and practically a block long line of cars were on fire in the post collapse debris and mess. Gas tanks??!! Generators!!?.

Tell you what. You show me a good quality video of... BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG........COLLAPSE!!!!

And i will shut the hell up!!

But you know what? It does not exist!! and i can show you probably 10 videos of dead silence and then the tower falls.

Nothing doing!!

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

'Gas tanks??!! Generators!!?"

Really?

"There was another explosion. That sent me and the two firefighters down the stairs.I can't tell you how many times I got banged around.There was another explosion, and I got thrown with two firefighters out onto the street."-Sue Keane, NJ Fire Police

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

'Gas tanks??!! Generators!!?"

Really?

“There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. There was another explosion. And another. I didn't know where to run." Teresa Veliz on the 47th floor of the North Tower. The impact damage was between 94th - 98th floors.

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Fact!! Both towers failed at the impact points. That is all that is relevant. Fact!! Nothing in the way of controlled demolition apparatus was found in any of the debris BY TRAINED techs!!.. (In any actual controlled demo the site is literally awash in this debris.. it is EASY to find!!). If 150 pounds of thermite can't do anything to a large column (not to mention being RIDICULOUSLY impractical as to be not realistic) more of it only gets less believable.. NOT MORE!!

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

The impact and collapse points could've easily be planned. That is not that hard. As I showed in earlier post, these "trained techs" obviously had an agenda the mirrored the official version. And this was not thermite, but what scientists called super (nano) thermite. But, here's a demonstration of normal thermite cutting a vertical column and its nowhere near 150 pounds. Welcome to reality...

[muzicmaker2001]

@muzicmaker2001

Thermite cutting vertical columns:

watch?v=xYW-z7nrTZk

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 OMFG!! Where does it end ???!!! Yes nice of the planes to hit their designated impact floors. And so nice of them to not disturb or dislodge any of those explosives... Oh BUT WAIT!!! Its also now Super Thermite!! So now we have some contraption holding the thermite (is that how it goes??) and yet we find NONE of these thing in the debris.

AND.. we see nothing remotely this bright across 210 feet of demolished floors.

Do you honestly believe this crap?

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Read this carefully. The impact points were planned and they weren't planes.

watch?v=IObpyT4oRKk

Explosives were planted before the impacts. Explosives (and nano-thermite) are planted in the inner infrastructure of the building, not by the windows. Go back to the sound arguement. That's all you got..I'm always interested in how debunkers continue to point to the plane impacts as the main evidence when WTC7 was not struck by a plane.

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

"and yet we find NONE of these thing in the debris."

And what if your main man, Gene Corley, was involved? Why would they expose explosives that they already knew about? I don't think you are looking at the BIG picture here...and it's not the sound.

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001  Right right!! Mark Loiszeaux was involved too. You sure you're not friends with Jarred Laughner? You have about the same level of clinical paranoia

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Reading up on more metallurgy reports. A rather interesting note on the whole "thermite mate..thing It was discovered that MANY unusual compounds were created and they were entirely consistent with all of the compounds already in the building. Toss in heat (fire) and you have a"science lab" fusing many common things together. The damage done to the steel was found to occur at temperatures FAR below what thermite produces. So it was not even REQUIRED to produce collapse

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Nano-thermite combined with explosives. The explosives were staggered between the impact and collapse. This explains the witness accounts of explosions and demolition flashes all throughout the building. Nano-thermite was used as an assisstant. This is why we see this strange melting of the steel, cars, firetrucks, etc. Obviously, a fire 800-1000 ft up would not cause this damage.

watch?v=Zww9-AaIgrw

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 No there wasn't!! Because nothing in the way of any CD debris was found. I don't know HOW you can make those statements. There is not a SHRED of evidence for it. And explosives DO NOT go off in silence that is ridiculous. As far as the cars go. Big deal!! Cars are lightweight aluminum. An entire street worth of cars were set on fire from all the falling flaming debris. Ever blow on a fire ember? What happens??? it ignites. Same thing with the steel in the pile.

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

But, the only heat source was approx.1000 ft up and these small fires were most likely smothered with the collapse. Extreme temps (+1000 degress) were found underneath rubble lasting for weeks. Do you think these fires burrowed their way underground? Funny. I understand your agenda here, but this is simple logic.

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Agenda?? Yeah i am working for the government!! I get a check every week from Dick Cheney!! (like.. FAUCK!!). Fires were RAGING right to the moment of collapse (i have numerous vids clearly showing this!!). RED hot steel inside. 3 floors were an inferno. Yeah the flames would likely go out in the collapse but not the temperature on the steel. Piled on to the street in the mess that it was it only needs oxygen to react and that is EXACTLY what is taking place. OXYGEN!

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

"Fires were RAGING right to the moment of collapse"

Really?

"Of the more than 170 areas examined on 16 perimeter column panels, only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 ºC (480ºF). Using metallographic analysis, NIST determined that there was no evidence that any of the samples had reached temperatures above 600 ºC (1110ºF)." (p 140)-NIST

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001  Metal looses HALF its strength at half its melting point. It does not need to be melted to fail. with the increased loads on it. The reason the tower failed is because the flooring was heated and began to sag. Now you have a catenary which puts FURTHER stress in an entirely different direction on its connections. An entire line of flooring was pulling the outer wall in almost a FOOT. Its exactly along this line that fails and lets go. The fulcrum happens HERE

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Do you think that the people seen walking on this steel beneath them heated to its total failure point would've been harmed? People were seen at the North Tower 20 mins before the collapse. From impact to collapse=102 mins. This means the steel was heated up for 80 mins before these people were seen walking on this steel. Same ol' hat. Debunked long time ago..try again.

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 talking about that chick seen at WTC 1 impact hole. That is a bunch garbage That footage is faked. It is nothing but a video loop put in to that giant hole. It is a bunch of Youtube truther nonsense. I have seen VERY high quality video of the WTC 1 impact area for almost the entire length of the event to collapse. There aint no lady standing there. And believe me the chick shooting it would have been zoomed right to it if there was.

You fall for an awful lot of nonsense

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Actually, "that chicks" name is Edna Cintron. A photo showing her standing at the impact hole is also included in NIST NCSTAR 1, WTC Investigation, page 117 (167), Figue 6-26, (a) Observed Damage. Did NIST fake this photo? And she was not the only person seen at the impact hole. Desperation is always entertaining..

watch?v=3151MqXu52s

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 I am sure allot of people who possibly survived were probably on their way to the opening if they could get there. If you bother to look at it the fire was concentrated on the OTHER side of the building. So Edna.. real person? whatever..(the video is a looped shot and there is no doubt in my mind it is). your point does not prove anything because the fire was on the other side of the impact area. So someone standing there is hardly a revelation. Another useless point!!

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

LMAO!! Oh, wait. She's real now but the heat was on the other side? Did that side of the building collapse first? No? When you are proving wrong again and again, just keep repeating, "Who cares?" or "Another useless point." You're full of so much BS is beyond funny. You're killing me.

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 All i am referring to is the video of her. I am sure she is a real person. The video is quite OBVIOUSLY doctored. (if you can't spot a looped cycled clip i got some land for you). Do you think someone shooting the tower (after THIS horrific event) is going to turn their camera off after 48 frames of some chick waving???!! (how fucking stupid are you??) What would you do? (Ohh 48 frames.. that's enough!!! lets go!!) and this is the crap you stand behind?? Sad dude.

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Again, a photo of her standing in the EXACT same manner as the video is shown in NIST's report. Look it up. I already gave you the reference. So, you have to prove that the video and NIST's photo are fake.You have yet to do so. Good luck. But, here's the big picture. People were seen standing at the impact hole just before the collapse. Heat usually spreads uniformly thru steel and does not concentrate in only one spot. Welcome to reality...

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Fine. OK!! She is a real person.  Great!! I am saying the video you were showing me is faked. It quite obviously is. Who would photograph such a significant bit of footage for 48 frames?? NO ONE!! You would be zooming in and getting as much of it as you could. The fire was on the other side of the building and along the East wall.. which is WHERE the tower failed. So who cares about some lady trying to get air on the other side. Who wouldn't?? it aint no revelation

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Where did the tower start to collapse? Along the East wall.. Why? Because the plane took out support along that area. Fire weakened the flooring along there. (CLEARLY visible in videos). The outer wall can be seen to be buckling inward as much as a foot along here. A line of flooring snaps all at once and lets go. Without the lateral support of the flooring... FORGET IT!!

Exterior wall fails without the flooring. The flooring is the key. Les Robertson even said so.

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

I'm guessing it doesn't matter that the WTC Construction Manager stated that the building could sustain multiple plane impacts? Who cares, right? Useless information?

watch?v=64W8bzXfGCA

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Construction manager? !! Personally i would take what Les Robertson said with a little more weight. Yes the building was designed for the impact of a 707. But the fuel load was not taken in to consideration. And the impact was based on the plane flying..approach speed,.. slow. Not roaring in at 540mph with a full fuel load. Double the speed and the impact is QUADRUPLED .. not doubled.

There is a reason both towers failed at impact floors. A REASON!! and it aint CD

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Yes and here's your job description. See a common denominator? 911? Boy, you're busy!

American 77 Final Maneuver

COMPARISON OF WTC COLLAPSE WITH OTHER BUILDINGS

THERMITE CUTTING STEEL - VALIDATED - EXPERIMENTALLY DEMONSTRATED

CBC - The Fifth Estate - The Unofficial Story - Pt 1-5

911 Mysteries - Demolitions - Squibs

Mark Loizeaux Questions 911.

Screw Loose Change - Flight 93

WTC 7 squibs: More dishonesty from Steven Jones

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 When a forger is making steel in a blast oven what does he had to increase the temperature to more easily heat and bend the steel? Turning it molten hot? He opens the bellows and blasts in AIR. What do think is taking place in the debris pile as they pull it apart and lift out the shattered remains. All of that smoldering HOT metal is being exposed to nice fresh oxygen. You effectively have a giant blast furnace taking place. And this has been referred to by Chem eng's

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

There was no mechanism for this heat to be found in the rubble/basement areas because:

1. The fires were approx. 1000 ft up

2. The fires were most likely smothered by the upper fllors collapsing onto them

3. There were intact floors at the base after the collapse prevented anything from entering the basements

4. The temps recorded by NASA in the rubble were hotter than the temps recorded by NIST in the steel

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 And again!! These videos have horrible context. It is just a mish mash of clips of "explosion here.. explosion there... " (Who cares!! you can use it to prove any EXPLOSION you want) She just says. a large portion of the building was blown out around the 80th floor.. (where did the 2nd plane hit? the 80th floor!! what is MOST LIKELY the cause of the EXPLOSION??? The PLANE!!!

I suggest you stop posting these non contextual videos to try and prove your silly points

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

"Who cares!! you can use it to prove any EXPLOSION you want"

It makes sense why you don't care. These explosions all throughout the building do not fit into this theory of a plane impact and fire limited to certain floors. All in a matter of 56 minutes. This does not make sense at all.

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Yes the debris was gone through by a trained demo company!! And Gene Corley who headed up the investigation said there was absolutely ZERO sign of it. NOTHING was found (I guess the trained demo techs have NO CLUE what they are doing?!!) And there is NO getting around.. had explosives been used you would hear them especially at work on columns that big.

You live in dreamland dude and i think you know it. But just trying REAL REAL hard!!!

Its ALL A BUNCH OF NONSENSE!!

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Oh, Gene Corley ? Why didn't you say so? Gene Corley is not an independent expert with no connections to the government. He led the pancake theory for FEMA. He was a member of the Silverstein-Weidlinger insurance claim team. He was the spoken person for the NOVA and the AE/History Channel representations of the what happened on 911. more...

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

Gene Corley..

He also provided "public comments" in support of the NIST investigation. He, and three other of the same WTC "investigators" reported on the Oklahoma City Murrah Building incident. The other three were Charles Thornton, Paul Mlaker, and Mete Sozen. Wow!! What a coincidence? And there's more connections. Hardly, someone without an agenda...sort of lke you, right? Did you see how this whole thing always comes around full circle? Try again.

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Tunnel vision hm??!! Lets see. Not a shred of any recovered evidence point to a CD. Not one blasting cap, not one piece of det chord.....ZERO.. ZILLCH!! found (and the material was gone through by a TRAINED demo company!!) That much explosives in a building that size? For one thing it would be launching every window at the WTC in to orbit

And an event like this does not happen in a sound vacuum.

It is nothing short of ridiculous in absolutely EVERY WAY.

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

7 The fire was most likely smothered during the collapse as undamaged floors fell onto it. The 30 floors? There was intact floors at the base of the Towers after the collapse that prevented the fire/heat from entering the rubble. Did the fire take the elevator down?

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8 What?

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Who fucking cares?? I read (from a chemist) that the "molten" material got that way from the oxidization from being gradually exposed to oxygen. As it was increasingly uncovered in the post collapse phase it flared up more and more (like blowing on a fire) And SO WHAT?? The building was on fire from 10thsnd gals of jet fuel.. Hardly a "revelation" And of what significance is it? Both towers failed and collapsed at precisely the impact floors. So who cares?

[muzicmaker2001]

@roquefortfiles

"SO WHAT?? The building was on fire from 10thsnd gals of jet fuel"

Again, it depends on who you believe, right?

“The initial jet fuel fires themselves lasted at most a few minutes" NIST, Sep 2005, PP 183

"But the jet fuel itself burnt in a matter of minutes, within less than ten minutes." -Lead Investigator Dr. Shyam Sunder, NIST

[roquefortfiles]

@muzicmaker2001 Mmmhmm?!! I have a video showing it collapsing and it was flaming away and burning pretty good still.  Enough to make an entire line of flooring sag and pull away from its connection on the outer wall. Which is exactly where the tower let go and failed. (and the flooring was the only thing connecting TO the outer wall.. so.. )

[Denierbud11]

explosions why is this a surprise?

[muzicmaker2001]

Yes, happens all the time...

[woddensoapbox]

ever wonder how the FBI and other 'offical' people were right there within minutes escorting witnesses away?

[Birgeyful]

explosion witness at 3:55 tries to tell his story, but he i forcely removed, the CNN reporter then makes up a false story that doesnt make sense.

Guess his testimony didnt fit into the official lie

[JCanfield11]

What the hell is wrong with you man? People died, news camaras caught the plane crashing, and you say it's a bunch of bull. How dare you. Think about how many people died because of these terriorist.

[chibangin007]

no one saw a plane... all these witnesses were a bunch of lying fucks

[calderonie]

What?! :D If you're INSIDE the building(s) seeing/hearing/feeling explosions when the planes hits OUTSIDE the building(s), it's probably quite difficult for you to witness both of those two occurrences.

Btw, what is your opinion of bunch of fucking liers based on?

Are you a mind reader?

Have you personally tested all of those people witnessing explosions, with a lie detector?

[sbalogh53]

Why did the FBI prevent the guy from finishing his interview? He was removed from the scene very quickly by the agents at film position 2:45

[proudfootz]

Always good to hear from actual eyewitnesses instead of denials from 'debunkers'.

[Ham549]

Yes the lobby had an explosion from the elevator as it crashed down no bomb see 1:40

[muzicmaker2001]

These elevators actually went down to path train and subway? And the FBI quickly removed the guy from finishing his interview about all the elevators crashing down??. I guess it's a big secret, huh? See frame 04:00

More elevators crashing???

youtube*com/watch?v=n593Hth8h9­M

[Ham549]

How many elevators were in the world trade center? there were 95 express and local elevators also if it was a screate why didn't the FBI agent tell the reporter not to repeat the story for "security reasons". He let the reporter repeat the story.

[muzicmaker2001]

"I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building"-Louie Cacchioli, FDNY

Burn victim, Felipe David, employed by Aramark Co. and Salvatore Giambanco, a WTC office painter trapped in a basement elevator

911stories*googlepages*com/nis­t3*jpg/nist3-full*jpg