So, hold on a second. You want to explain Arius from your satanic father (aka "church fathers")? That's absurd. You should quote Arius' own works. Oh...I forgot "Constantine Augustus to the bishops and laity: In addition, if any writing composed by Arius should be found, it should be handed over to the flames,... that if someone should be discovered to have hidden a writing composed by Arius, and not to have immediately brought it forward and destroyed it by fire, his penalty shall be death."
@TheGenuineChristian Yuri, all we have is the works of the Arian opponents to piece together what he believed. If you say, "Oh, well, we can't trust them, they were lying" then you simply have to make assumptions concerning what Arius believed.
But putting that aside, what does this have to do with the fact that your hero died a cartoonish, undignified death on the crapper?
@msm1876 My hero? LOL. You're stuck in some fantasy world. To me, Arius was "probably" someone who carried a lot of truths but we don't have his writings thanks to your kind to see what exactly it was he believed. My heros are the Apostles which includes Yeshua HaNozri.
@TheGenuineChristian >>>My heros are the Apostles which includes Yeshua HaNozri.
Said like a man who can't find a soul who believed what he did about Jesus until centuries after the fact. All you can do is assume Jesus and the Apostles preached your theology and call them your heroes. And then "God's truth" completely died after John did. If you say so.
@msm1876 Like I belief? LOL. Go examine the Book of Acts, they present my exact beliefs. You won't find a single Trinitarian statement in there. It's all ANTI-Trinitarian statements. You're a silly heretic. =P
@TheGenuineChristian Yes, so the Ephesian Church, which is featured in Acts, believed Jesus was a creature, as preached to them by Paul...and then it was preached by John all the way into the late 90s when he retired there. And then by 106, POOF! PRESTO CHANGE-O, the Ephesians believed Jesus was uncreated deity (Ignatius, letter to the Ephesians ch 7)...just 5 years after John died there.
@msm1876 John warned of heretics like those you follow; 1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour! As you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. From this we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us.
@TheGenuineChristian HA! You know you're outta gas when you recycle arguments that I crushed this past April! People like Ignatius and Polycarp didn't "go out from them." As I said in April...they stayed in. They were BISHOPS.
Besides...you have a pretty irresponsible "savior"; if a looney apostasy was coming to Ephesus, he sure didn't warn the Ephesians of it when he gave John his Revelation in 95
@msm1876 They stayed in? Find, let me quote my Lord then: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."
What's your name? I don't think it's msm, is it?
Tell me then, am I a heretic because my God is 'the Father' instead of 'the father, son, and holy spirit'?
I just want to make sure I understand you. People who died hideous deaths rather than renounce Jesus, who fought like lunatics against Gnosticism, who spent their days and nights defending the Christian faith to pagans and Jews, were in fact wicked subverters of the truth. And Ephesus, which was in pretty good shape in 95 when Jesus graded them, underwent a LOONEY apostasy after John died in 100...which Jesus didn't bother to warn them about in 95.
@TheGenuineChristian "am I a heretic because my God is 'the Father?" No, you are a heretic because you teach a different Jesus and gospel than the bible does. Case closed.
1Cr 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing. 4 Love suffers long [and] is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
@JesusTheMonotheist Look, Cruzie, all the snark of this video aside...for you guys, Arius was the guy who got it right. He knew the "truth" about Jesus and his God, and he didn't waver from it. Truly this guy was one of God's favorites. And yet this is how God allowed him to die? This isn't exactly a death that you're gonna write songs about to celebrate! There's no, "Wow, what a hero of the faith!" feeling in your chest when you ponder it.
@msm1876 I don't care what Arius or any of your boys did or said, I'm not like you who follow after man and man made doctrines.
To me the greatest hero is Jesus the Monotheist who died on the Cross for our sins. The mortal man Jesus the Monotheist was made after the power of an endless life(immortality) by Almighty God(Hbr 7:16) and right now in heaven has a Father, his God. who is our Father, and our God, he alone is good.
@msm1876 Jesus is the greatest hero: A Trinitarian Jesus didn't die on the cross, it was a Monotheistic Jesus who died on the cross. It wasn't God nor YHVH who died on the cross, it was the son of YHVH God.
You realize that your jesus is just like a demigod, right?
TheGenuineChristian 1 month ago
So, hold on a second. You want to explain Arius from your satanic father (aka "church fathers")? That's absurd. You should quote Arius' own works. Oh...I forgot "Constantine Augustus to the bishops and laity: In addition, if any writing composed by Arius should be found, it should be handed over to the flames,... that if someone should be discovered to have hidden a writing composed by Arius, and not to have immediately brought it forward and destroyed it by fire, his penalty shall be death."
TheGenuineChristian 1 month ago
@TheGenuineChristian
Date: 333
Ancient source used: Athanasius, Defense of the Nicene Definition 39
Modern edition used: H-G. Opitz, Athanasius Werke, vol. 2.1 (Berlin: De Gruyter, 1940).
Other ancient Greek sources: Socrates, Church History 1.9.30 and Gelasius, Church History 2.36.1
TheGenuineChristian 1 month ago
@TheGenuineChristian Yuri, all we have is the works of the Arian opponents to piece together what he believed. If you say, "Oh, well, we can't trust them, they were lying" then you simply have to make assumptions concerning what Arius believed.
But putting that aside, what does this have to do with the fact that your hero died a cartoonish, undignified death on the crapper?
msm1876 1 month ago
@msm1876 My hero? LOL. You're stuck in some fantasy world. To me, Arius was "probably" someone who carried a lot of truths but we don't have his writings thanks to your kind to see what exactly it was he believed. My heros are the Apostles which includes Yeshua HaNozri.
TheGenuineChristian 1 month ago
@TheGenuineChristian >>>My heros are the Apostles which includes Yeshua HaNozri.
Said like a man who can't find a soul who believed what he did about Jesus until centuries after the fact. All you can do is assume Jesus and the Apostles preached your theology and call them your heroes. And then "God's truth" completely died after John did. If you say so.
msm1876 1 month ago
@msm1876 Like I belief? LOL. Go examine the Book of Acts, they present my exact beliefs. You won't find a single Trinitarian statement in there. It's all ANTI-Trinitarian statements. You're a silly heretic. =P
TheGenuineChristian 1 month ago
@TheGenuineChristian Yes, so the Ephesian Church, which is featured in Acts, believed Jesus was a creature, as preached to them by Paul...and then it was preached by John all the way into the late 90s when he retired there. And then by 106, POOF! PRESTO CHANGE-O, the Ephesians believed Jesus was uncreated deity (Ignatius, letter to the Ephesians ch 7)...just 5 years after John died there.
Sure, sounds quite reasonable.
msm1876 1 month ago
@msm1876 John warned of heretics like those you follow; 1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour! As you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. From this we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us.
TheGenuineChristian 1 month ago
@TheGenuineChristian HA! You know you're outta gas when you recycle arguments that I crushed this past April! People like Ignatius and Polycarp didn't "go out from them." As I said in April...they stayed in. They were BISHOPS.
Besides...you have a pretty irresponsible "savior"; if a looney apostasy was coming to Ephesus, he sure didn't warn the Ephesians of it when he gave John his Revelation in 95
msm1876 1 month ago
@msm1876 They stayed in? Find, let me quote my Lord then: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."
What's your name? I don't think it's msm, is it?
Tell me then, am I a heretic because my God is 'the Father' instead of 'the father, son, and holy spirit'?
TheGenuineChristian 1 month ago
@TGC >wolves
I just want to make sure I understand you. People who died hideous deaths rather than renounce Jesus, who fought like lunatics against Gnosticism, who spent their days and nights defending the Christian faith to pagans and Jews, were in fact wicked subverters of the truth. And Ephesus, which was in pretty good shape in 95 when Jesus graded them, underwent a LOONEY apostasy after John died in 100...which Jesus didn't bother to warn them about in 95.
msm1876 1 month ago
@msm1876 The deaths of idolaters is very sad, for their part shall be in the Lake of Fire.
TheGenuineChristian 1 month ago
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@TheGenuineChristian "am I a heretic because my God is 'the Father?" No, you are a heretic because you teach a different Jesus and gospel than the bible does. Case closed.
abbyguy 1 month ago
1Cr 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing. 4 Love suffers long [and] is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
JesusTheMonotheist 1 month ago
@JesusTheMonotheist Look, Cruzie, all the snark of this video aside...for you guys, Arius was the guy who got it right. He knew the "truth" about Jesus and his God, and he didn't waver from it. Truly this guy was one of God's favorites. And yet this is how God allowed him to die? This isn't exactly a death that you're gonna write songs about to celebrate! There's no, "Wow, what a hero of the faith!" feeling in your chest when you ponder it.
Makes you wonder, no?
msm1876 1 month ago
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@msm1876 This isn't exactly a death that you're gonna write songs about to celebrate!
♪♫♪Arius just sh^! himself, do da, do da.♪♫♪
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@msm1876 I don't care what Arius or any of your boys did or said, I'm not like you who follow after man and man made doctrines.
To me the greatest hero is Jesus the Monotheist who died on the Cross for our sins. The mortal man Jesus the Monotheist was made after the power of an endless life(immortality) by Almighty God(Hbr 7:16) and right now in heaven has a Father, his God. who is our Father, and our God, he alone is good.
JesusTheMonotheist 1 month ago
@msm1876 Jesus is the greatest hero: A Trinitarian Jesus didn't die on the cross, it was a Monotheistic Jesus who died on the cross. It wasn't God nor YHVH who died on the cross, it was the son of YHVH God.
JesusTheMonotheist 1 month ago
classy guy that Arius, real classy! LOL!!!!
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
ewwww Arius died defecating his guts out on a public toilet.... oh that's nasty.
barbsinclair 1 month ago
A fitting end to a heretic. A Herod class ending. Acts 12:21-23.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@pretoshohmoofc Elvis has left the building :')
21crosscheck21 1 month ago
Arius was full of it. :-D
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@pretoshohmoofc Hehehehee...
msm1876 1 month ago